Open Thread – Weekend 28 Aug 2021


Massacre of the Innocents, Pieter Bruegel the Elder, c. 1565-67

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Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 29, 2021 9:50 pm

egg_ says:
August 29, 2021 at 11:26 am
I’d larf if MV took the wankers down.

He tried hard.
TNT recipes I read off the interwebs my mother taught me.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
August 29, 2021 9:58 pm

JC

tell me why we need to pay tax when we now know the clever ones can create money out of thin air.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 29, 2021 9:59 pm

Crossie

I may never see Blue Mountains again, or Seven Mile Beach, or the Hunter Valley or anywhere outside my five kilometre radius.

I think that the five km radius only comes into play if you have to cross an LGA boundary or are in an LGA “of concern”. In those cases, you are limited to a 5km radius of your residence. Otherwise, you are free to roam within your LGA.

Gabor_not_ Sári
Gabor_not_ Sári
August 29, 2021 10:00 pm

test
???

rickw
rickw
August 29, 2021 10:00 pm

Mater, petition signed.

JC
JC
August 29, 2021 10:00 pm

You’re all class. And all subcutaneous fat, tubby.

It’s not yet established he’s kissed a woman who wasn’t a family member. Now he’s telling us he’s screwed the entire female cat community or some such.

Yep it’s totally believable.

MatrixTransform
August 29, 2021 10:01 pm

They want clear line of sight

reckon that might backfire

rickw
rickw
August 29, 2021 10:02 pm

I think that the five km radius only comes into play if you have to cross an LGA boundary or are in an LGA “of concern”. In those cases, you are limited to a 5km radius of your residence. Otherwise, you are free to roam within your LGA.

Or you could decide to screw the BS and go back to living life like you normally would.

srr
srr
August 29, 2021 10:02 pm

Dot says:
August 29, 2021 at 8:22 pm
We all should be using VPNs.

Most people have abysmal online security.

There is no such thing as online security.
Better to know those who want to break in, have.
Sure, some build great electronic vaults that make breaking in so hard it’s not worth the trouble, and some lives are so boring & worthless they’re not worth breaking into, and because of the two extremes people get the illusion of security being possible.
But the internet was not given to us to serve us securely, quite the opposite, as cancel culture has shown us.
‘Ooh, the idiot had password as his password. Don’t make that mistake!’
‘Here, let us sell you security. We promise Federal Tax, Police & Military oh and spooks, will never crack it.’
Some people don’t expect to be attacked by crazy people when they leave their house.
Others know crazy people will also break into their house, and they’re ready for them when they do.
Treat your online life like your really world life.
Know that sometimes you just have to leave justice to God because if you started delivering the justice the arseholes deserve, you wouldn’t be able to stop before becoming the monster they are.

cohenite
August 29, 2021 10:03 pm

This place is like a tin-shed dating agency. I was having a nice chat with doc about big waves, he’s probably gone to bed with some warm milo and a buttered crumpet and now it’s wall to wall fang-dangles.

P
P
August 29, 2021 10:04 pm

I repeat:

Here in NSW –
Not possible if you live in a LGA of concern and need to work outside that LGA.
Not possible if you work but do not live in a LGA of concern.
Not possible if you have a business, or businesses, in a LGA of concern that you must visit.

I am hurting, my family is hurting. We are devastated.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 29, 2021 10:05 pm

I’m seeing a lot of interest in removing anonymity from commentors on social media by the Cathedral.

The interest has been around for quite a few years:

Former Tory chairman to halt actions against tweeters with fewer than 500 followers and will focus on case against Sally Bercow

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
August 29, 2021 10:07 pm

In a futuristic world there is no way that a law degree person would be allowed to be a “politician”.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 29, 2021 10:08 pm

Sorry D_B, I accidentally hit Report comment when I meant to hit older comments!

vlad redux
vlad redux
August 29, 2021 10:13 pm

I’m seeing a lot of interest in removing anonymity from commentors on social media by the Cathedral. I wonder if they will try this on with blogs too. They want clear line of sight.

The utterly despicable Jon Faine had a piece in the Nine tabloids a week or so ago calling for it. He said there’s no justification for it here, as it’s not like we’re Hong Kong, where they shoot protesters.

Protesters were shot with pepper bullets in Melbourne before the article hit print.

Faine has never had a thought in his life that the ABC – or the Nine tabloids – would sanction him for. He’s probably never had an original thought in his life anyway.

I hope he’s reading this.

JC
JC
August 29, 2021 10:13 pm

the last just now, on Paul Murray Live, who appears to dying before our eyes.

Dover, are you referring to the show or his food consumption?

JC
JC
August 29, 2021 10:15 pm

The utterly despicable Jon Faine had a piece in the Nine tabloids a week or so ago calling for it.

It could be about me. I’ve needled him about copping a few hidings from me when we were at school.He reminds me of a few commenters at the Cat.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 29, 2021 10:16 pm

Sancho, can you come out of the closet?
I know you’re Leigh Lowe.
I just scrolled through this afternoon’s postings & it’s clearly you.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 29, 2021 10:18 pm

If they got rid of anonymity on-line, that Sleeping Giants thing would be shown to be just one of two guys.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 29, 2021 10:19 pm

Fake lefties outnumber conservative 20 to 1 on twitter.
If they got rid of anonymity, twitter would go from 300mill active users to around 50mill, globally.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
August 29, 2021 10:20 pm

Somewhere Over The Rainbow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_DKWlrA24k

Dot
Dot
August 29, 2021 10:25 pm

That’s a good set of personal policies srr, but you don’t think VPNs and Proton Mail etc are good things?

Yes there is stuff like keystroke loggers and all apps basically talk to each other.

rickw
rickw
August 29, 2021 10:26 pm

Everything woke turns to shit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5UXlN26U1A

Dot
Dot
August 29, 2021 10:27 pm

*The utterly despicable Jon Faine had a piece in the Nine tabloids a week or so ago calling for it. He said there’s no justification for it here, as it’s not like we’re Hong Kong, where they shoot protesters.*

No, we just have murdered politicians with no one caught (Mackay) or Police Commissioners shot in their own front driveways (Winchester).

What could possibly go wrong?

P
P
August 29, 2021 10:28 pm

As a mother I am appauled that my son will have to, against his will, receive the jab.
This is now law in NSW.
After working his butt off for more than 25 years in his present position he has no choice. Too young to retire. His family is relient on him.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 29, 2021 10:28 pm

I watched a little PM Live tonight & it was the first time I’d heard of the political parties wanting to make all the JobKeeper data public.
I think it should be linked to the exemptions list (travel, quarantine, work).
Make it all public.

Arky
August 29, 2021 10:28 pm

JC.
I’ve put some custard and pureed apples on the stove.
Try to find your dentures.

JC
JC
August 29, 2021 10:29 pm

Bern

Public as in how? Whomever receives it?

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
August 29, 2021 10:29 pm

here JC and Arky

you pair of poofters…

this is your song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t-aBVN8hew

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 29, 2021 10:30 pm

An excellent choice of words, considering you’re mouthing off on DashCat about ‘I’ve rooted a Kitteh’ and asking people to guess which one

Possibly someone impersonating a luvverly ladeee.

JC
JC
August 29, 2021 10:31 pm

mouthing off on DashCat

Excuse me, what’s Dashcat?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 29, 2021 10:32 pm

Possibly someone impersonating a luvverly ladeee.

Haha. I just alluded to that very thing on DashCat.

The pie hole appears to have slammed shut. I’m going to have fun with this for months.

vlad redux
vlad redux
August 29, 2021 10:34 pm

Excuse me, what’s Dashcat?

Adam’s site.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 29, 2021 10:34 pm

feelthebernsays:

August 29, 2021 at 10:16 pm

Sancho, can you come out of the closet?
I know you’re Leigh Lowe.
I just scrolled through this afternoon’s postings & it’s clearly you

You are confused Mr Feelthebernt.
Sancho is just a poor donkey farmer/jockey/butcher.
Mr Lowe is a very intelligent man.
I am so flattered that you think this.

JC
JC
August 29, 2021 10:35 pm

Vlad, Why is it called that?

vlad redux
vlad redux
August 29, 2021 10:39 pm

Because there’s a dash in the URL. I call it the hyphen site.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
August 29, 2021 10:39 pm

All Australian Government registered Lawyers, Doctors, Accountants and newspaper sellers are SHIT.

JC
JC
August 29, 2021 10:39 pm

Ya gotta laugh. One half baked question asking if he’s ever kissed a woman and Scrambles is back with the brag that he’s leg overed a Cat girl and now he’s going for a Viet chick over the next two weeks. His status has suddenly risen from longtime resident incel to Brad Pitt.

JC
JC
August 29, 2021 10:42 pm

Because there’s a dash in the URL. I call it the hyphen site.

Oh okay.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 29, 2021 10:43 pm

I am afeared that the _roomba may have had to break into Doll Hospital for his (extremely brief) rendezvous.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
August 29, 2021 10:46 pm

But the High Court Judges control the law over and above ‘politicians’ that are, laughably, meant to make the law.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 29, 2021 10:47 pm

Sure Dr Faustus but I was noting three reports in the last week, the last just now, on Paul Murray Live, who appears to dying before our eyes.

I wasn’t doubting the currency, more pointing to the depth of the intent within chapels within the Cathedral.

I’m all for taking legal responsibility for my comments – which is why you have an email address that leads to me.

However, without claiming to any sort of influence, having an open online identity would needlessly chill my expression. Unfortunately my business interests still rely on some of the shitheads I criticise here.

JC
JC
August 29, 2021 10:47 pm

Knuckle Dragger says:
August 29, 2021 at 10:43 pm

I am afeared that the _roomba may have had to break into Doll Hospital for his (extremely brief) rendezvous.

I think this could be her.

JC
JC
August 29, 2021 10:49 pm
srr
srr
August 29, 2021 10:51 pm

Dotsays:
August 29, 2021 at 10:25 pm
That’s a good set of personal policies srr, but you don’t think VPNs and Proton Mail etc are good things?

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Yeah, but like all security, it can stop some people, slow others but can also lull people into a false sense of security.

But sometimes it’s not the getting in that’s the trick, but getting back out again.
Like an old Painters & Dockers Uncle who lived in what looked like a perfectly normal Melbourne Terrace house, nothing particularly security conscience looking about it, until you got in and then realized their was NO GETTING BACK OUT unless he wanted to let you out.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
August 29, 2021 10:52 pm

Cities can only produce piss, shit and rubbish all the while sucking in Natural Resources.

Gab
Gab
August 29, 2021 11:01 pm

Sorry to hear you’re hurting, P.

We in Victoriastan have also been hurting – for the past 17 months almost non-stop – we are in our 6th lockdown, third imposed curfew, 5th only 5km travel BS, no visiting relatives for most of that 17 months, no funerals, no weddings, no engagement parties , police choppers overhead every night, fines and more importantly no Mass, no Sacraments for the better part of 15 months.

What you’re experiencing now, we’ve had to endure for a long time.

P
P
August 29, 2021 11:03 pm
feelthebern
feelthebern
August 29, 2021 11:04 pm

DB, on his substack Berenson said to follow this guy.

https://twitter.com/GenRescue

cohenite
August 29, 2021 11:08 pm

Recent NSW case: EPA must consider AGW when making decisions; L&E court fuckers with case brought by worse fuckers, EDO; this country is toast; idiots are intent on destroying the joint when it’ll be blown up soon by the talifucks and then the rubble will be exported to the chunks:

https://www.caselaw.nsw.gov.au/decision/17b7569b9b3625518b58fd99

JC
JC
August 29, 2021 11:09 pm

Cronkite, Can the case end up in the High Court?

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
August 29, 2021 11:11 pm

Black Clad Antifa are Criminal Australian Cops.

“come on pussies”

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 29, 2021 11:11 pm

In Fact Checking news:

DID JOE BIDEN FALL ASLEEP? VIDEO WITH ISRAEL’S PRIME MINISTER DEBUNKED

No, Biden did not fall asleep. While everyone had their attention on his eyes, many failed to notice that the President’s fingers were continually in motion.

If you look carefully at the video, one can watch Biden’s thumb moving throughout the clip. It is most likely that he was paying close attention to what Bennett had to say. However, the angle of the snippet had everyone convinced that he could be sleeping.

Technical Note: Sometimes called twitching.

P
P
August 29, 2021 11:16 pm

We in Victoriastan have also been hurting – for the past 17 months almost non-stop – we are in our 6th lockdown, third imposed curfew, 5th only 5km travel BS, no visiting relatives for most of that 17 months, no funerals, no weddings, no engagement parties , police choppers overhead every night, fines and more importantly no Mass, no Sacraments for the better part of 15 months.

What you’re experiencing now, we’ve had to endure for a long time.

Have you had to get the vaccination in order to leave your LGA to go to work, or have you had to get ‘the jab’ to go to work in a ‘LGA of concern’?
Do you have a business or business in a ‘area of concern’ where you cannot visit unless you have received ‘the jab’?

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
August 29, 2021 11:24 pm

“come on pussies”

antifa

MatrixTransform
August 29, 2021 11:36 pm

Have you had to get the vaccination in order to leave your LGA to go to work, or have you had to get ‘the jab’ to go to work in a ‘LGA of concern’?

my missus is hearing over back-channels that there’s talk of allowing 25km travel for us Vic-suckers.

my immediate cynical thought is that yeah, that sounds like a prelude to travel 25km …with conditions.

so stop with the fucking p1ssing contests about who has it worser

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
August 29, 2021 11:47 pm

“Lord” Ted Dexter, England cricketer, brown bread at 86.

Despite being a Pommy bastard, he was widely respected in Oz, both for his cricketing skill and gentlemanly bearing.

srr
srr
August 29, 2021 11:57 pm

Muslim Father Murders Son for Converting to Christianity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6xnfyfRcxk
Aug 29, 2021
Acts17Apologetics
Tabiruka Tefiiro, a 20-year-old convert to Christianity in Uganda, was killed by his Muslim father on Sunday. Tefiiro’s father said that he killed his son for disgracing Islam by converting to Christianity. David Wood discusses the case and the Islamic penalty for apostasy.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 30, 2021 12:05 am

most likely that he was paying close attention to what Bennett had to say

Nah. That’s the look he gets when he’s listening to instructions from his special earpiece telling him what to say next. Requires intense concentration.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 30, 2021 12:15 am

most likely that he was paying close attention to what Bennett had to say

Tom
Tom
August 30, 2021 4:50 am
Tom
Tom
August 30, 2021 4:51 am
Tom
Tom
August 30, 2021 4:52 am
Tom
Tom
August 30, 2021 4:54 am
Tom
Tom
August 30, 2021 4:55 am
Tom
Tom
August 30, 2021 4:56 am
Tom
Tom
August 30, 2021 4:57 am
Tom
Tom
August 30, 2021 4:58 am
Tom
Tom
August 30, 2021 5:02 am
Tom
Tom
August 30, 2021 5:04 am
Tom
Tom
August 30, 2021 5:05 am
Diogenes
Diogenes
August 30, 2021 5:35 am

Thanks Tom.
All the cartoons this morning are right on target.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 30, 2021 6:13 am

Spooner. Brilliant.

Dot
Dot
August 30, 2021 6:40 am

Hazzard APM joke is still up.

Crossie
Crossie
August 30, 2021 6:43 am

Knuckle Dragger says:
August 30, 2021 at 6:13 am
Spooner. Brilliant.

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Thanks Tom and I agree with KD.

calli
calli
August 30, 2021 6:44 am

And…Elliott still has the VC.

Diogenes
Diogenes
August 30, 2021 6:49 am

To really rub the point home, the Hazzard one should say the APM with Oak Leaves, Swords and Diamonds.

Crossie
Crossie
August 30, 2021 6:50 am

Dot says:
August 30, 2021 at 6:40 am
Hazzard APM joke is still up.

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Brad Hazzard is always a joke and it’s more contagious than the delta version of COVID. He has infected Gladys so that she is now an international joke. That’s some achievement when the world looks at you horrified and says let’s not do what they do.

We really are what Keating called us, the arse end of the world.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 30, 2021 7:01 am

the Hazzard one should say the APM with Oak Leaves, Swords and Diamonds.

Excellent.

In a just world Hazzard would spend his later, remaining years in a Penrith houso joint with holes in the ceiling, grating ‘Do you know who I am?’ over the back fence at the neighbours’ cats.

Sadly though, the world is not just.

Cassie of Sydney
August 30, 2021 7:17 am

“P says:
August 29, 2021 at 10:28 pm”

I feel for you P. I’m in Sydney’s eastern suburbs. I spoke to my sister yesterday, she and her husband live in the inner west and are part of the Parramatta LGA. She told me that she and her husband have got their special papers in order to travel legally to their office in Westmead (they run a small business).

Internal papers for travelling…totalitarianism.

P…..I hope you and your family can stay strong.

will
will
August 30, 2021 7:34 am
will
will
August 30, 2021 7:35 am
Cassie of Sydney
August 30, 2021 7:42 am

The Daily Telegraph editorial today….

Editorial: ABC hits wrong note with SAS song smear

The ABC is drawing a long bow linking a song sung by SAS soldiers to alleged murder but that should come as no surprise, writes The Daily Telegraph.

If for some reason you wish to smear Australia’s heroic SAS soldiers, there are probably two main ways you can go about it.

You can either become a random anonymous social media troll, shrieking into the void from wherever you and your phone happen to be located.

Or you can work at the ABC.

The latter option pays a little better, but either way the evidentiary bar is set at the same extremely low level.

The ABC last week used a few words from a tune popular with SAS troops to suggest the SAS has a drinking culture that ­rejoices in murder immunity.

It’s easy to present many songs in dark ways if the totality of lyrics are ignored.

In fact, the tune in question – SAS singalong favourite Getting Away With It, by British band James – is popular among our SAS because it celebrates survival rather than killing.

“I grew up with the song and it was played at my father’s ­funeral,” Keegan Locke, whose Medal for Gallantry recipient father was killed in 2007 in a firefight with the Taliban, told The Daily Telegraph.

“There is nothing sinister about it,” Locke said.

“The ABC has tried to frame it that they were getting away with bad behaviour, but that is not the case.”

Besides a few words in a song, the ABC’s report was also critical of SAS soldiers enjoying a few drinks with their mates after returning from months in ­deadly war zones.

Understandably, that peculiar and moralistic criticism strikes former special forces major Heston Russell as absurd.

“People do this at the end of every working week,” he told The Daily Telegraph.

“The linking of a drinking culture to alleged war crimes is such a weak link.

“It is clearly being used to reinforce a crumbling narrative after 13 SAS soldiers had allegations against them dropped and received an apology from the Minister of Defence.”

Further apologies to the SAS in general should now follow.

So should condemnation of the ABC from the Prime Minister down – and also within the national broadcaster, which uses Australian taxes to smear Australian soldiers.

Those taxes would be better spent commissioning and recording an additional song for the SAS to sing.

It could be about the ABC. Lyric suggestions are welcome.”

And whilst we’re on the subject of “getting away with it”…it’s their ABC and their resident scabs, such as Louse Nilligan, who get away with it….smearing and destroying the lives of Pell, Porter, Laming and others.

And the silence from Morrison and Fletcher….the so called Minister for Communications”….Paul Fletcher (a nasty mediocrity) should be called “Minister for Miscommunication”…which would be far more accurate.

rosie
rosie
August 30, 2021 7:46 am

Thats a very good article MT.
It’s a virus, its going to mutate and be endemic like the flu.
Immunity whether acquired naturally or through vaccination will wane over time so getting an annual ‘booster’ along with your flu vaxx if you want to is just normal behaviour.

Now can we stop with the fussing about the ‘death jab’ and focus on ridding ourselves of the yoke of overbearing politicians?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 30, 2021 7:47 am

Pedro the Loafersays:

August 29, 2021 at 11:47 pm

“Lord” Ted Dexter, England cricketer, brown bread at 86.

So he’s now Ded Texter?

Dot
Dot
August 30, 2021 7:49 am

CSPI are so full of themselves. They always have been. Don’t bother going there. It’s like the redux of the “Midwit Starter Pack”. They’re like Snopes on steroids.

They’re literally arguing that microbes do not evolve to be less dangerous to be successful.

“We believe in evolution and evolutionary pressures, but not the end result”

“No one had immunity to COVID”

(Gee, what a falsifiable statement…). Um, actually, you can’t prove that (not now, anyway) and given the number of asymptomatic cases, you’re probably quite wrong.

COVID was never actually dangerous. There is not a person in Australia who has died “from” (with) it who was healthy or of an advanced age otherwise.

That’s simply what the data says.

rosie
rosie
August 30, 2021 7:52 am

😀

rosie
rosie
August 30, 2021 7:53 am

(^^^)

rosie
rosie
August 30, 2021 7:54 am

8)

rosie
rosie
August 30, 2021 7:54 am

:V

rosie
rosie
August 30, 2021 7:55 am

:*
Trying to find emojis
Not many seem to work
https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/198510296045281135/

Dot
Dot
August 30, 2021 7:56 am

*Thats a very good article MT.*

Terrible, actually.

*Now can we stop with the fussing about the ‘death jab’ and focus on ridding ourselves of the yoke of overbearing politicians?*

No, we cannot. For anyone healthy and under 50, they’re better off NOT getting vaccinated. The risk is greater with vaccines at that age. Not my opinion. Just what the data bears out.

Herd immunity is impossible anyway given these vaccines have such low efficacy.

Dot
Dot
August 30, 2021 7:56 am

Stop it Mum, this isn’t FaceBook. ?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 30, 2021 7:57 am

?

calli
calli
August 30, 2021 8:00 am

Stop trying to sneak emojis out of home detention.

The only free range ones are 🙂 🙁 😀 😉 and my personal favourite

😛

Dot
Dot
August 30, 2021 8:03 am

Even the RACGP says vaccines are only 70% effective – it is generally accepted that herd immunity requires a vaccination rate of 80%.

You cannot vaccinate 114% of the population.

Crossie
Crossie
August 30, 2021 8:04 am

And the silence from Morrison and Fletcher….the so called Minister for Communications”….Paul Fletcher (a nasty mediocrity) should be called “Minister for Miscommunication”…which would be far more accurate.

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My esteem of ScoMo can’t get any lower yet he manages to squeeze under. He was quick and loud in condemning the soldiers and as the PM you would think he would want to right a wrong. Our own Fonzie cannot seem to pronounce that word.

Everyone in this government is a POS. Where is the Defence minister? It seems the whole of Canberra is too busy dealing with a drunken Brittney Higgins who is obviously more important than any soldier.

Crossie
Crossie
August 30, 2021 8:06 am

You cannot vaccinate 114% of the population.

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Of course you can, you just keep doing it until you get to that number or the lockdown stays. For our own protection, of course.

rosie
rosie
August 30, 2021 8:08 am

I didn’t say everyone should get vaccinated dot.
I was suggesting that people stop arguing about vaccines and accept they have a place and focus on getting government off our backs.
I don’t care who or who doesn’t have one though I expect a lot of people will because they think a sore arm or other minor side effect is less trouble that weeks of being very unwell
Much like they think about the flu.
I think the 70 80 percent target is insane.
It should have been only over 50s 70 percent.
We all know Australian governments are pursuing elimination strategies.

This is stupid.

I’m totally on board with ldp opportunity to vaccinate and end it on 4 December.

calli
calli
August 30, 2021 8:12 am

Dot, asymptomatic Covid19 infection was always the clue. Many had already achieved a level of natural immunity via their immune systems from being exposed to years of coronavirus infections.

The big killers are compromised immune systems for whatever reason – illness, age and the like. And, of course, environmental issues like poor ventilation, sanitation and social practices. Obesity also appears to be a big no-no, but gee, we’ve been told that for years.

Decades of being fed disaster movies and apocalyptic scenarios have been very useful in priming populations for draconian measures to “fight” the unfightable. And the political and financial payout so far has been immense for the fear-mongers. No wonder there’s no end in sight.

Dot
Dot
August 30, 2021 8:12 am

Gladys has different ideas to you though.

Medical apartheid, albeit on flimsy grounds – for a variant of the common cold.

Yet employers (some exemptions) hotels or landlords cannot legally ask someone if they have HIV, hepatitis or herpes. They don’t matter, apparently.

This is a sick joke.

rosie
rosie
August 30, 2021 8:13 am

Sorry calli :'(

rosie
rosie
August 30, 2021 8:16 am

I know dot.
I’m also under the impression that vaccine apartheid will be temporary. Because the unvaccinated will get covid and get their immunity which they will be able to prove.
Countries and airlines are already accepting prove of covid from some countries iirc
That’s not an endorsement of vaxx passports btw

John H.
John H.
August 30, 2021 8:19 am

Dotsays:
August 30, 2021 at 7:56 am
*Thats a very good article MT.*

Terrible, actually.

*Now can we stop with the fussing about the ‘death jab’ and focus on ridding ourselves of the yoke of overbearing politicians?*

No, we cannot. For anyone healthy and under 50, they’re better off NOT getting vaccinated. The risk is greater with vaccines at that age. Not my opinion. Just what the data bears out.

Herd immunity is impossible anyway given these vaccines have such low efficacy.

The Israel data indicates new vaccines will be required. People getting the jab now may be fine with a booster from a new vaccine. The Delta variant is an escape mutation, is more dangerous than the original, and much more infectious. Israel is the canary on the issue, it will be interesting to follow.

rosie
rosie
August 30, 2021 8:21 am
John H.
John H.
August 30, 2021 8:22 am

Neurons in visual cortex of the brain ‘drift’ over time

New research from Washington University in St. Louis reveals that neurons in the visual cortex — the part of the brain that processes visual stimuli — change their responses to the same stimulus over time.

Jubakka! That does not make sense! Are Hubel and Wiesel findings overthrown?

Mater
August 30, 2021 8:24 am

Decades of being fed disaster movies and apocalyptic scenarios have been very useful in priming populations for draconian measures to “fight” the unfightable. And the political and financial payout so far has been immense for the fear-mongers. No wonder there’s no end in sight.

I’ll just leave this here:

Mater
#3368591, posted on March 22, 2020 at 8:32 am
Don’t stress Gez.
AGW is yesterday’s news. It’s no longer necessary and still ex its only in the minds of the useful idiots who don’t understand the real purpose. This crisis inadvertently gives them everything they need, and does so in a much more compressed timeframe. A far better Trojan horse, if you will. This one’s a racehorse, not a plough horse.
Every revolution needs a common enemy, the fight against which, convinces people to willingly relinquish their rights.

rosie
rosie
August 30, 2021 8:34 am

The northern hemisphere is moving closer and closer to covid normal.

Still hoping Australia will eventually get the message.

Eyrie
Eyrie
August 30, 2021 8:39 am

“I was suggesting that people stop arguing about vaccines and accept they have a place and focus on getting government off our backs.”

Wonderful, get the government off our backs by mindlessly doing its bidding. Vax passports are temporary? You mean like certain taxes?

Dot
Dot
August 30, 2021 8:41 am

*The Delta variant is an escape mutation, is more dangerous than the original*

Hang on. It is commonly noted that this is not the case (that does not mean it is true). Why is it more dangerous? I don’t think we can use India (where it originated from) as a basis to make judgements because their public health is atrocious, let alone their hospitals.

Perhaps there are latent epigenetic reasons in different countries why a variant may be worse there?

PS

If you can and have the time spare, please explain in lay terms to introductory level of studies, explain what the differences in the variants are…? ?

Dot
Dot
August 30, 2021 8:42 am

Remember Uncle Milt.

Nothing is so permanent as a temporary government program…

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 30, 2021 8:42 am

I’m also under the impression that vaccine apartheid will be temporary. Because the unvaccinated will get covid and get their immunity which they will be able to prove.

Yes. The whole thing may quickly become a nothingburger in a year or so. Let’s hope.

Newer vaccines based on older technologies may also settle a few people down.
I’d certainly prefer that for anyone under 30, and especially for kids.

rosie
rosie
August 30, 2021 8:42 am
rosie
rosie
August 30, 2021 8:47 am

Only an mindless moron would suggest people making a personal assessment about their risk and deciding to get vaccinated are ‘mindlessly doing government bidding’.

Don’t expect anyone objective to take you seriously.

Dot
Dot
August 30, 2021 8:49 am

I will gladly take a traditional vaccine that has proven high efficacy and minimal adverse effects as soon as we are not being coerced or blackmailed by our servants (this is a democracy, in theory) to do so. The medical industry should test for immunity first though (and should have been doing so with positive COVID tests and vaccinations so far).

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 30, 2021 8:52 am

JCsays:

August 29, 2021 at 10:39 pm

Ya gotta laugh. One half baked question asking if he’s ever kissed a woman and Scrambles is back with the brag that he’s leg overed a Cat girl and now he’s going for a Viet chick over the next two weeks. His status has suddenly risen from longtime resident incel to Brad Pitt.

What a very strange thing to say about the Viet lady.
We can all speculate who the Cat “lady” might have been.
I can’t wait for her account of tangling with fatso under the yellow truck doona in the novelty “Cars movie” single bed.

MatrixTransform
MatrixTransform
August 30, 2021 8:53 am

Dot … I just like heat maps.

At least the article is not hysteria based.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
August 30, 2021 8:54 am

Someone needs to explain the Indian experience with Delta.
It started there and they had the wave of infections and deaths that followed but the graphs show that it had now hopefully passed.
Some “expert” on the ABC tried to explain it away because of vaccinations.
At 10% fully vaccinated that is hardly a viable proposition.
Doherty modelling says we’ll get 2000 cases a day without lockdowns at 70%.
India has 26 times our population and at 10% has daily cases around the 40,000 mark. It should be in the hundreds of thousands if Doherty is to be held as the holy gospel of truth that our leaders swear upon.

John H.
John H.
August 30, 2021 8:57 am

Dotsays:
August 30, 2021 at 8:41 am
*The Delta variant is an escape mutation, is more dangerous than the original*

Hang on. It is commonly noted that this is not the case (that does not mean it is true). Why is it more dangerous? I don’t think we can use India (where it originated from) as a basis to make judgements because their public health is atrocious, let alone their hospitals.

Perhaps there are latent epigenetic reasons in different countries why a variant may be worse there?

PS

If you can and have the time spare, please explain in lay terms to introductory level of studies, explain what the differences in the variants are…? ?

DOT I am relying on recent results in Israel which find Delta is breaking through. The bods did call for a new vaccine. This is not about India nor epigenetics. Data in Britain indicates Delta is causing more severe disease. At this point though the data is incomplete but the trend is worrying.

One study from Scotland, where the Delta variant is predominating, found Delta cases led to 85% higher hospital admissions than other strains. Most of these cases, however, were unvaccinated.

This large national study found a higher hospital admission or emergency care attendance risk for patients with COVID-19 infected with the delta variant compared with the alpha variant. Results suggest that outbreaks of the delta variant in unvaccinated populations might lead to a greater burden on health-care services than the alpha variant.

A grim warning from Israel Vaccination blunts, but does not defeat Delta

What is clear is that “breakthrough” cases are not the rare events the term implies. As of 15 August, 514 Israelis were hospitalized with severe or critical COVID-19, a 31% increase from just 4 days earlier. Of the 514, 59% were fully vaccinated. Of the vaccinated, 87% were 60 or older. “There are so many breakthrough infections that they dominate and most of the hospitalized patients are actually vaccinated,” says Uri Shalit, a bioinformatician at the Israel Institute of Technology (Technion) who has consulted on COVID-19 for the government. “One of the big stories from Israel [is]: ‘Vaccines work, but not well enough.’”

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 30, 2021 8:59 am
Shy Ted
Shy Ted
August 30, 2021 9:07 am

I can spot a Muppet. i give you… Miss Piggy

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
August 30, 2021 9:10 am

Deaths per million Covid
India 314
Denmark 444
Natural acquired immunity if on display in India basically pulls the plug on Doherty assumptions.
I suspect Doherty uses the naive immune system input and works from there.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 30, 2021 9:16 am

Glenn Greenwald
@ggreenwald
All COVID deaths in the US prior to Jan. 20, 2021 are the direct fault of the US President. None of the COVID deaths after Jan. 20, 2021 are attributable to the President.

All red-state COVID deaths are the Governor’s fault. No blue-state COVID deaths are the Governor’s fault.

Zipster
Zipster
August 30, 2021 9:19 am

NSW has recorded 1218 Covid-19 cases and six more people have died as the state reached the halfway mark to a 70 per cent vaccination rate.

Three of the people who died were in their 80s and three were in their 70s

good thing we destroyed hundreds of thousands of people’s lives

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 30, 2021 9:22 am

Malice is leaving NY and moving to Austin.
I can’t see it lasting.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
August 30, 2021 9:23 am

Andrews.
“We acted early but I’m not here to tell people this is easy, it’s not, it’s bloody hard.”

Always throws himself into the picture without any evidence he or his family have done it “hard”

Dot
Dot
August 30, 2021 9:27 am

NSW has recorded 1218 Covid-19 cases and six more people have died as the state reached the halfway mark to a 70 per cent vaccination rate.

So 35% fully vaccinated with 70% efficacy means 24.5% effectively vaccinated.

That’s a long way to 80% fully vaccinated “needed” for herd immunity.

Just stop this wasteful and destructive charade now.

rosie
rosie
August 30, 2021 9:28 am

Exerpt

“Opposition is growing within the federal Coalition against businesses mandating proof of vaccination for customer entry into cafes, restaurants and events as part of the plan to ease COVID-19 restrictions.

Retiring Liberal MP Andrew Laming has joined the ranks of backbenchers to raise concerns about the scheme, which he said risks taking the decision-making process away from health experts and placing them in the hands of “virtue-signalling baristas”.”

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 30, 2021 9:28 am

Gez.
Modelling is all about assumptions.
At least the Doherty stuff isn’t rolling out Ferguson level Armageddon results.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 30, 2021 9:31 am

I’m also under the impression that vaccine apartheid will be temporary.

Unfortunately, like the HSE Ratchet, removing ‘temporary responses’ causes our politicals far greater anguish than introducing them.

On the way in you have the “I make no apology for keeping people safe from this unprecedented and wicked variant…” defence. Every subsequent tweak and flourish and extension of restriction is soaked in justification and grim necessity.

But lift a restriction and, at the first harm, personal blame cascades down like scalding cow pats. You took an action, or made a decision that allowed this to happen.
You killed Bambi’s Grandma.

Passports and QR readers and distancing and masks and lockdowns will be with us until something greater than commonsense intervenes.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 30, 2021 9:31 am

Andrews.
“We acted early but I’m not here to tell people this is easy, it’s not, it’s bloody hard.”

Interesting Gez.
I am getting that theme from a couple of lefty friends.
How tough it must be to be Dear Leader.
Standby for the black and white JFK Cuban crisis style photos.
Dan deep in thought framed in a Parliament House window.

calli
calli
August 30, 2021 9:32 am

Laming:

“I am bitterly opposed to denying people goods or a service on the grounds of whether they are vaccinated,” he said.

“The whole idea only invites right-wing paranoid reactions that this is all about a passport. It is not the message we need to be sending out … we can’t have traders making the calls and saying sorry we are not serving you.”

See what that bugger did there? Apparently worrying about a “passport” is a “right wing” reaction.

I’d love to send him a message, via a frozen mallard.

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 30, 2021 9:35 am

via a frozen mallard.

#duckwars
#duckjustice
#haveaquack

rosie
rosie
August 30, 2021 9:36 am

Dr Faustus
Nooooooooo
Maybe it will have to be mass civil disobedience.

Cassie of Sydney
August 30, 2021 9:36 am

“Glenn Greenwald”

Thank God for Greenwald.

cohenite
August 30, 2021 9:38 am

JCsays:
August 29, 2021 at 11:09 pm
Cronkite, Can the case end up in the High Court?

Can, should, but won’t because NSW EPA controlled by kean, a green.

rosie
rosie
August 30, 2021 9:38 am

I’m not sure calli.

Maybe he’s referring to the claim that covid is a hoax/smokescreen to introduce a Chinese style social credit system.

MatrixTransform
August 30, 2021 9:39 am

Decades of being fed disaster movies and apocalyptic scenarios have been very useful in priming populations for draconian measures to “fight” the unfightable.

we have become rather pathetic creatures in the last 30 years or so

9 News, The Voice, Dan’s Daily Presser … all of them “reality” TV

and nothing real about them in any normal sense

calli
calli
August 30, 2021 9:41 am

right wing paranoid reactions
all about a passport
message

He’s a bug-weasel.

Eyrie
Eyrie
August 30, 2021 9:42 am

“I’d love to send him a message, via a frozen mallard.”

One would probably fit in those devices that are used to test aircraft windscreens known as “chicken guns”.

Probably apocryphal story goes that one aircraft was tested by different group and the bird went straight through. What gives? Advice was defrost first.

Tom
Tom
August 30, 2021 9:45 am

If you watch Sky News (or know how to watch it without subscribing), circle September 20 in your diary (Paywallian):

When Sharri Markson first began investigating the possibility that the coronavirus may have resulted from a laboratory leak in Wuhan, she was widely ridiculed by other Australian media outlets.

But her dogged pursuit of the story has paid off with a killer scoop, securing the first sit-down interview (for an Australian broadcast media outlet) with Donald Trump since he was elected president in 2016.

Markson’s interview with Trump will be the centrepiece of a one-hour documentary that will air on Sky News on September 20.

The documentary is based on Markson’s soon-to-be-released book, What Really Happened in Wuhan, and will also feature interviews with Chinese whistleblowers, scientists and high-ranking intelligence officials including John Ratcliffe, the US Director of National Intelligence from 2020 to 2021 who oversaw 17 intelligence agencies and spearheaded the investigation into the origins of COVID-19.

Markson, The Australian’s investigations writer, said her interview with Trump — conducted via videolink — was “combative” at times.

“I cross-examined him on his knowledge of when and how COVID-19 emerged, and the evidence that pointed to a Wuhan lab leak — and what convinced him of that to such an extent that he came out publicly and said it,” Markson said.

Markson said she was still shocked by the criticism levelled at her by others in the Australian media over her reporting on the possibility of a lab leak.

“This is a story that everyone said was a conspiracy early last year — the ABC, the Guardian Australia, The Sydney Morning Herald — they all attacked my reporting,” she said.

“And I was just doing news reporting on the agencies and their investigations into the origins of the virus.

“It’s just extraordinary how the media and the tech giants and the scientific community shut down reporting on this, and ridiculed people who were promoting the idea that it might have come from a lab — and now the intelligence agencies in the US are saying that both of the main origin theories are equally plausible.”

Link

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 30, 2021 9:45 am

Calli

I’d love to send him a message, via a frozen mallard.

Inserted into an appropriate repository?

rosie
rosie
August 30, 2021 9:46 am

Incorrect claim that some elitist (lol) here dubbed dash cat yob cat.

Nah it was mh or struth or some other fabulous wit who also called here ‘wanker cat’

Now both addled and king of socks are calling here Cathollaxy, because you know all we talk about is Catholic stuff.

Shy Ted
Shy Ted
August 30, 2021 9:47 am

Word on the street is Brett Sutton has been served. CAse seems to be about the PCR test not being diagnostic. Still reading and trying to confirm. And of course a genteel toon for you genteel Cats. Genteel is a continuum.

lotocoti
lotocoti
August 30, 2021 9:47 am

Always throws himself into the picture without any evidence he or his family have done it “hard”

You clearly don’t appreciate how much it costs him to do the hard thing to you and yours.
If the Maximum Leader didn’t love you,
do you think he would be prepared to stamp on your face forever?

cohenite
August 30, 2021 9:49 am

And the silence from Morrison and Fletcher….the so called Minister for Communications”….Paul Fletcher (a nasty mediocrity) should be called “Minister for Miscommunication”…which would be far more accurate.

The abc does what it wants. That is not the point; the point is weak arsed, spineless conservatives like fletcher who let them, another in a long line of complete cucks, fraser, howard, abbott, all of them who have never finished the abc even they had the numbers and could have.

The second problem is people who are slandered by these pricks never sue the bastards. These ADF guys should be queuing up to sue them; the clip with their faces obscured does not stop them doing so.

rosie
rosie
August 30, 2021 9:49 am

Shari was the only journalist to report about elderly covid victims in Melbourne aged care being refused public hospital beds and many being heavily sedated.

No one else said a peep.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 30, 2021 9:49 am

Retiring Liberal MP Andrew Laming has joined the ranks of backbenchers to raise concerns about the scheme, which he said risks taking the decision-making process away from health experts and placing them in the hands of “virtue-signalling baristas”.”

It just occurs to me.
A business with a hipster “covid marshall” could exclude a certain demographic by saying they think Pfizer is superior and exclude AZ people.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 30, 2021 9:55 am

In a few weeks we will all be forced to stay in our bedrooms with a towel stuffed into the crack under the door, drinking our own piss for hydration and licking the paint off the walls for sustenance.

All will be under the watchful eyes of neighbourhood Karens with IR visual equipment who are in direct contact with the black-clad faceless obscenely armed thugs called ‘The Happy NSW People Protecting Officers With A Smiling Face Service’ (formerly the NSW Police Service). Their only understanding of rights will be that they belong to everyone except the person they are talking to – each person will be stripped of their rights to protect those of all of us.

Yet, when cases still increase day on day, Gladys will appear on hand-held devices in dim stuffy rooms across the state to condemn rule-breakers and with a heavy heart tell us that there must be more restrictions.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
August 30, 2021 9:57 am

“We acted early but I’m not here to tell people this is easy, it’s not, it’s bloody hard.”
—————————————-
I’m a farmer and there’s no way we’ve done it hard in Covid.
We’ve got great sympathy for the city lockdowns and the truckies.
As my brother said at the start of the pandemic “we’ve been isolating since 1872.”

feelthebern
feelthebern
August 30, 2021 10:02 am

Headline & first paragraph from a paywalled story I was reading.

US frozen beef exports to China surge, adding to Canberra-Beijing tensions but boosting trade deal
US exported US$107 million worth of frozen beef to China in July, compared to just US$35 million from traditional export destination Australia

MatrixTransform
August 30, 2021 10:04 am

Word on the street is Brett Sutton has been served.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/covid-victoria-legal-fund

Help fund Jonathan Andrews (plaintiff & solicitor) in his present and ongoing legal action against the Victorian State Government’s suspension of constitutional civil liberties, based on questionable ‘Drosten RT-PCR for novel coronavirus 2019’ test and testing standards for recording SARS CoV-2 transmission and infectivity rates, during the COVID-19 crisis.

Bushkid
Bushkid
August 30, 2021 10:08 am

Eyrie says:
August 30, 2021 at 9:42 am
“I’d love to send him a message, via a frozen mallard.”

One would probably fit in those devices that are used to test aircraft windscreens known as “chicken guns”.

Probably apocryphal story goes that one aircraft was tested by different group and the bird went straight through. What gives? Advice was defrost first.

An aviation company I used to work for discovered that an unfrozen wedgetailed eagle encountered in flight can punch a hole in the inboard leading edge of a Dash-8.

MatrixTransform
August 30, 2021 10:10 am

an unfrozen wedgetailed eagle encountered in flight can punch a hole in the inboard leading edge of a Dash-8

we’re gonna need a bigger frozen bird launcher

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 30, 2021 10:16 am

Looks to be enough stuff to re-equip the entire Australian Army three times over. Amazing.

srr
srr
August 30, 2021 10:17 am

While rosie ‘smiles nicely’ at Dot after Dot calls the BS about the BS rosie happily uses to PUSH MORE JABS, FOREVER MORE, more & more people are graduating in courses of How To Read BS Studies, Figures & Reports and recognise ‘the rosies’ of the InterWebs for the propagandists they are.

It does help (thanks rosie), that ‘the rosies’ only attack the contrarians (pushing back against the propaganda), who they believe to be friendless & who others will join in pack attacking, rather than be caught wrong footed ‘correcting’ those they believe to be on ‘their team’.

Dot says:
August 30, 2021 at 7:56 am

[rosie] *Thats a very good article MT.*

Terrible, actually.

FlyingPigs says:
August 30, 2021 at 2:29 am
questions I’d like answered:-

How do we know …

… ANYTHING.

From go to a still stupidly far off whoa, EVERYTHING has been lied about, ‘confused’, ‘errors’ made & STRONGLY Disputed by actual experts at bio-lab & medical-frontline levels.

The ONLY consistency, Globally, has been training us to ‘behave’ as Ordered or SUFFER as so many around the world have been SHOWN to suffer, Socially, Financially, Physically, having good names & businesses ruined and PUBLIC MSM CALLS FOR THE DEATHS of Those Who do NOT COMPLY.

All the bouncing figures around ‘the science’ (as with the weather BS), are just evil, rabid squirrels sent to confuse & worry the majority & that “well intentioned” people who, “like to know” what they’re talking about before they share THEIR “well formed” OPINION, EVERYWHERE, use to “justify” all the, ‘FOLLOW THE ORDERS’, BAD ORDERS THEY PUSH.

Eyrie
Eyrie
August 30, 2021 10:20 am

I once took out a couple of pigeons with the leading edge of a glider at 100 knots. Some bloke kept homing pigeons just near the runway threshold and released them as we were coming back from a competition flight. Mrs Eyrie made me wash the guts off. Didn’t even scratch the paint.

srr
srr
August 30, 2021 10:26 am

rosie says:
August 30, 2021 at 8:16 am

I know dot.
I’m also under the impression that vaccine apartheid will be temporary.
[…]

Like you also believed the 15 days to flatten the curve would only be 15 days … and every other bit of BS serving ‘The Great Reset’.

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF ark you have the hide of a rino …. more than the hide …

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 30, 2021 10:29 am

Bruce of Newcastlesays:
August 30, 2021 at 10:16 am

Looks to be enough stuff to re-equip the entire Australian Army three times over. Amazing.

Yeah, but look at the economic damage and the jobs lost – all the jobs Afghanistan would have had if they built their own weapons. There will be no Chrissy Mohammad Pyne class submarines (which would be slightly less useless than the diesel ones we are not getting until…who knows.)

calli
calli
August 30, 2021 10:31 am

They missed something, BoN. The most shocking thing.

The pallets of money.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 30, 2021 10:38 am

Nick Cater in the Oz, talking sense:

The adoption of the Sino-Kiwi zero-Covid plan by Mark McGowan and Annastacia Palaszczuk is, of course, absurd. Like other countries, Australian governments will have to take calculated risks if we want to end this nightmare as other countries have done. In Denmark, where 80 per cent of residents aged over 12 have been vaccinated, Covid-19 is about to be delisted as a “socially critical disease”.

Arguably, it is already socially uncritical in Australia where the risk of death or serious illness is many times smaller than it was in the early months of the pandemic. The risk of hospitalisation and death is reducing incrementally 11,000 times an hour as the vaccine is injected in tiny doses into mostly willing arms.

By now, almost every nursing home resident has had two shots. Four out of five Australians aged over 70 have had one shot and three out of five have been vaccinated twice.

Yet the media’s preference for bad news over good is difficult to break. Sometime this week we’ll be reading headlines about the “grim milestone” that will have been reached when the death toll from coronavirus enters four figures. Few will remember the last grim milestone 10 months ago, 900 deaths from the first 27,000 cases, which reflected the force of Covid-19’s rampage through Victorian nursing homes.

The relatively small number of fatalities from the 20,000 or so cases since then has deeply disappointed the lockdown-happy brigade, which insists on talking about infections. Fatalities rarely make the lead paragraph, except the occasional death of someone under 50, when extraordinary lengths are taken to hide any pre-existing co-morbidities under the shroud of patient confidentiality.

One suspects some premiers are enjoying their 18-month holiday from democracy and are reluctant to surrender the licence to boss us around. This should not surprise us, since ordering society from the top is in the left’s DNA. The progressive movement has been pursuing visions of utopia since the late 19th century, longing for a land where people live spineless and effortless under the benign protection of the state.

Growth in higher education expanded the cohort of people who think they are smarter than the rest and therefore have the right to issue orders. They are members of the laptop class whose jobs can be performed remotely, tend to live in the more comfortable suburbs, have their children late in life (if at all) and parade their moral certainties on Twitter.

Liberals have a battle on their hands. It is becoming increasingly unfashionable to attach oneself to a philosophy that puts human independence ahead of state control. The nanny state they have been pushing back for years is now upon us and it will take some effort to dismantle it when the pandemic finally ends.

Nevertheless, McGowan and Palaszczuk should think carefully before welshing on the deal they agreed in national cabinet. Australians don’t take kindly to broken promises and, after almost 18 months of lockdown, they have clearly had enough.

They should think carefully, too, before casting NSW as the laggard state, or mocking Morrison for saying that this is not a race. The rate of vaccination in WA last week was 34 per cent slower per capita than in NSW. In Queensland it was 44 per cent slower, putting NSW on target to reach the 80 per cent target weeks, if not months, in front.

The change in national mood is clear: let’s get the jab done and get on with our lives. In the words of Thomas Jefferson, the strongest reason for people to bear arms is to protect themselves from the tyranny of the state. With a minor spelling adjustment, his dictum neatly captures the public mood.

Nick Cater is executive director of the Menzies Research Centre.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 30, 2021 10:41 am

Hairy will still have nothing to do with the Oz, but I have decided to give it another go. Took out my own subscription. There is some good writing there now as people are coming round, at least on Covid, to a more reasoned approach.

Eyrie
Eyrie
August 30, 2021 10:41 am

Cater is a fool. What happens with 80% vaccinate and the case numbers start going up again like in the UK and Israel and other places?

Dot
Dot
August 30, 2021 10:49 am

Let’s not.

Top Ender
Top Ender
August 30, 2021 10:55 am

Lockdown questions Premier Daniel Andrews won’t answer
After 211 days in lockdown, and with no end in sight, Victorians want straight answers — but the Premier has offered little hope.

Victoria has clocked up 211 days in lockdown and the state’s crippling sixth lockdown will be extended with no end date in sight. These are the questions Premier Daniel Andrews needs to answer.

What do the daily case numbers need to be to see some easing of restrictions?

Premier Daniel Andrews on Sunday said the state had options available with “low numbers”, but when asked how low those numbers needed to be he wouldn’t say.

“As low as we can get them,” he said.

“At the moment the numbers are too high. It’s not just about numbers, though. It is about the narrative and the story behind each of those numbers.”

When will we be out of hard lockdown?

The premier confirmed the state’s lockdown would be extended but did not provide details on how long the restrictions would last. The week-long “circuit breaker” has now gone 26 days.

“It is not going to be possible for us to be able to open our Victorian community in just a couple of days’ time,” he said.

“We will, however, look at all the different options. We don’t have advice yet from the chief health officer as to what is possible later on this week.”

With the premier and chief health officer Brett Sutton fixated on a zero-case strategy, there are fears Melbourne and Victoria’s lockdown measures will drag on until 80 per cent of the population is fully vaccinated, which will not be likely until mid November.

What restrictions will be eased when 70 per cent of the population is fully vaccinated?

Mr Andrews acknowledged that 70 per cent was a target but may not lead to major changes.

“Seventy per cent is a marker but the really significant shifts don’t appear until you get to 80 per cent,” he said.

Some restrictions could be eased before this, he said, but he didn’t detail what they could be.

When will children be able to return to school?

Unlike in NSW, the Victorian state government has not outlined a timeline for when children can expect to return to classes.

Year 12 students will be prioritised for exams and final-year study but it has not been revealed whether this will depend on the vaccine rollout. VCE students have already been told they will need negative Covid tests to take some exams.

Despite the high case numbers, NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has revealed a staged return to school from October 25 starting with year 12, kindergarten and grade 1.

All people working on school campuses must be vaccinated by November 8, when all students return.

Will people who are fully vaccinated be given any extra freedoms before the 70 and 80 per cent targets are reached?

Australia’s national cabinet has been working on a strategy for vaccine passports and passes, with further discussions to go on this week. But the premier has not yet guaranteed any extra freedoms for vaccinated Victorians before we reach the 70 per cent and 80 per cent targets.

“A restaurant or major event that is only attended by people who are double vaccinated is always going to be a safer event,” he said.

“The time is coming where your vaccination status will matter.”

When will some industries to able to reopen in a Covid safe way?

Unlike New South Wales, where it is trialling reopening some industries to fully vaccinated people, such as hairdressing, there’s no indication from the Premier when they can plan to open.

When will childcare centres be allowed to reopen?

Under ramped-up restrictions introduced last week, childcare centres are closed except for children whose parents are authorised workers and can’t be supervised at home. No date has yet been set for them to reopen.

Will the Premier and cabinet place greater consideration on the mental wellbeing of children after the state’s chief psychiatrist revealed the toll it was taking on younger Victorians?

On Sunday, Mr Andrews said the state’s chief psychiatrist to address the media at one of the government’s daily press conferences, although this promise was first made 17 days ago.

“I wouldn’t want anyone to think that there wasn’t a massive effort that has gone into bolstering and supporting those who provide mental health care across the board,” he said.

“We understand that there is a big impact.’’

When will playgrounds reopen?

Despite no direct evidence of children catching Covid there, playgrounds have been shut and there is no date scheduled for their reopening.

When will the curfew end?

The Premier has not yet revealed any plans to end the curfew, which right now is in effect from 9pm to 5am. The current restrictions will be reviewed this week.

Herald-Sun

srr
srr
August 30, 2021 10:56 am

You know what DATA ‘they’ don’t want anyone figuring into this derangement?

All those around the world who NEVER get ANY Vaccination and particularly the older adults in western nations who only had minimal Killed Virus childhood Vacs and NEVER HAD ANY Vaccinations since, especially any “FLU VACCINATIONS”.

Since the whole, ‘get your annual Flu shot’, BS started, I’ve never had any vaccination & had only a few tough ‘bugs’, after mingling with those who have had ‘bad flu’s’ despite having regular flu shots.

“Oh, it’s not as bad as it would have been if I didn’t have the shot.”, say those who are very sick, every year, unlike their un-vaccinated social circle who occasionally get knocked about by what kills thousands of the vaccinated.

btw, I am only one of the very many kept out of the ‘data’ used to sell Religious Belief in Govt Promoted, soon to be Mandatory, Vacci-NationS.

Zatara
Zatara
August 30, 2021 10:56 am

I’m seeing a lot of interest in removing anonymity from commentors on social media by the Cathedral. I wonder if they will try this on with blogs too.

You mean like this?

Australia’s controversial and heavily scrutinised ‘hacking’ bill has been passed by the Senate after copping 60 amendments from the House of Representatives.

The Surveillance Legislation Amendment (Identify and Disrupt) Bill 2020 gives the Australia Federal Police (AFP) and the Australian Criminal Intelligence Commission (ACIC) three controversial new powers when it comes to tackling online crime.

The first change is a data disruption power that reportedly aims to prevent “continuation of criminal activity by participants, and be the safest and most expedient option where those participants are in unknown locations or acting under anonymous or false identities”. Basically, it gives the AFP the power to modify, delete, copy or edit data as they see fit.

The Government Just Approved A Bunch Of New Cyber-Spying Powers For Police

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 30, 2021 11:00 am

Q: What happens with 80% vaccinate and the case numbers start going up again like in the UK and Israel and other places?

A: Proportionately far fewer of them end up in hospital – and fewer again end up dead.

Shy Ted
Shy Ted
August 30, 2021 11:01 am
Not Uh oh
Not Uh oh
August 30, 2021 11:04 am

The Doherty Institute is starting to sound a bit Tim Flanneryish.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 30, 2021 11:06 am

This is an Oz piece edited from a longer essay. I have clipped the second half of it which has some interesting info on how Trump operated in the Middle East. The first part of the story is also fascinating, showing how an impromptu meeting in a restaurant between Trump’s side at a Netanyahu dinner brought in fellow diners from the UAE for a quick exchange of views .. and it started from that.
Sometimes it just takes a good meal in convivial circumstances! And a decent President in the White House, because sadly, things have gone downhill since then.

These agreements meant Israel had relations, public or secret, with 13 out of 22 members of the Arab League. The four new partnerships prompted Trump, days before he left office, to transfer Israel from the responsibility of the US European Command to the US Central Command, which oversees the territory of the Middle East. This administrative decision was the culmination of a long process of Israel becoming a recognised and desired partner in the Middle East by major Arab players and the West in the war against mutual enemies, such as Iran.

Israel’s integration into the Middle East has not yet been completed; some Arab and Muslim countries are still unwilling to recognise Israel or to deal openly with it. Many Arabs continue to object to Israel’s existence, opposing peace while the Palestinian conflict remains unresolved. And resolution looked even more difficult to achieve after the East Jerusalem confrontations in May and the eruption of hostilities between Israel and Hamas in the Gaza Strip. However, the normalisation era does mark a significant change in Israel’s position.

Until recently, the conventional assumption was that Arab states would not normalise relations with Israel before a resolution of the Palestinian problem. So what has changed? First, the Trump administration was willing to pay generously for Arab normalisation with Israel, and various states were keen to take advantage of this narrow window of opportunity. The UAE received an unprecedented arms deal, including the world’s most advanced fighter jets; Sudan was removed from the list of terror-supporting states, which is worth a fortune in Western loans and investments; and Morocco’s annexation of the internationally disputed Western Sahara was recognised by the US.

In addition, Arab states were concerned that the new Biden administration would renew the 2015 nuclear agreement with Iran, which Trump had abandoned. A public alliance with Israel was apparently meant to create a new formula of deterrence for Iran, should the US return to the deal. A further factor is the declining importance of the Palestinian issue in the wake of the repercussions of the Arab Spring and the Covid-19 pandemic, which focused the attention of Arab states on domestic priorities. This declining importance led to the final factor: the relative indifference on the part of Arab and Muslim states to the UAE initiative to normalise relations with Israel, which in turn bolstered other rulers’ confidence, triggering a domino effect.

Still, tensions in East Jerusalem (over evictions from Sheikh Jarrah and clashes during Ramadan on the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount), followed by the Israel-Hamas confrontation in May – the bloodiest clash since the Gaza war of 2014 – had a clearly negative impact.

The establishment of diplomatic relations between Israel and the UAE, Bahrain, Sudan and Morocco is the product of long-term processes, coupled with the coincidence of mutual interests and an American president eager to leave his mark. These developments led to some significant results. First, Israel’s position in the Middle East has been transformed; it currently maintains diplomatic or secret relations with at least 13 Arab states, in addition to Turkey and several minorities. Second, many actors no longer fear the repercussions of exposing their relations with Israel, which is recognised as a useful partner against common enemies. Three, the recent agreements offer a new kind of relations: while the treaties with Egypt and Jordan produced a “cold peace” held between governmental agencies and based predominantly on mutual national security interests, the peace with the new Arab partners offers a warmer version, based on civilian, economic and cultural co-operation. Normalisation, which has a negative connotation in Arabic (tatbi’), has now gained a more positive flavour, which might affect other peace agreements.

Trump’s moves to achieve Israeli-Arab deals were enthusiastically received by Netanyahu and the Israeli right, which attempted to market them under the slogan “peace for peace”. This new “concept” was meant to convey to the Israeli public that the old formula of “land for peace” is no longer relevant or necessary. Though the idea of annexing territories in the West Bank has been dropped – at least for now – as a result of domestic Israeli politics and Emirati insistence, right-wing Israelis interpreted these four normalisation deals as a green light to continue the settlement project, thus establishing yet more facts on the ground and making a two-state solution increasingly untenable.

Yet “peace for peace” is a misleading formula. Israel has no borders with the UAE, Bahrain, Sudan or Morocco, and has never waged war against these states. As much as Israel desires peace with Arab countries on the periphery, many people in Egypt, Jordan and elsewhere in the Arab world still oppose normalisation before the resolution of the Palestinian issue. According to some Arab polls, Israel is considered the major enemy, above Iran. Some Arab states (Saudi Arabia, Oman, Qatar, Kuwait) and Muslim states (Pakistan, Indonesia) have expressed opposition to normal relations with Israel prior to a solution – or at least major progress – on the Palestinian front. The Arab states that forged relations with Israel now have leverage over it, as any unreasonable actions (annexation, for example) would probably be met by Arab retaliation, such as recalling ambassadors, severing relations and more.

Thus, although Israel has transformed its position in the Middle East, the Palestinian issue remains a vital component of the conflict and cannot simply be bypassed. For Israel, the strong imperative to make peace with the Palestinians remains, especially given the demographic forecast that Palestinians from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean, currently almost equal in number to the Jews, will soon outnumber them, threatening the very notion of a “Jewish democratic state”.

To solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the two sides need to want an agreement and be willing to work for it. This was the lesson from the peace deal between Israel and Egypt, which began with secret contacts in Morocco in 1977 and led to Sadat’s visit to Jerusalem; from the deal between Israel and Jordan’s King Hussein in 1994; and from the Oslo agreements with the PLO. On the other hand, no fewer than eight American peace plans have been presented and failed: the Reagan Plan (1982), the Shultz Initiative (1988), the Clinton Parameters (2000), the Bush Road Map (2003), the Kerry Parameters (2016), and the Trump Peace Plan (2020). When both sides of the conflict had legitimate leaders who expressed willingness to take risks, and a measure of trust existed between them, only then could a skilled and committed third-party mediator bring peace. Unfortunately, the political situation on both sides of the Israel-Palestine conflict at present does not augur well for its resolution.

Though Israel’s place in the Middle East has dramatically improved since its establishment, the recent war in Gaza and the riots inside Israel confirmed that further progress is likely to be difficult and unsteady until the long-running Palestinian problem is finally addressed.

calli
calli
August 30, 2021 11:07 am

The answer could also be qualified by

– better early treatment
– lethality of subsequent mutations
– candidates for death by whatever cause carried off by alpha strain

John Brumble
John Brumble
August 30, 2021 11:08 am

John – every virus in the history of the world has become more transmissible and less virulent. COVID is no different and the data internationally supports this, with more cases and fewer hospitalizations and deaths.

Those who claim that the effects of the Delta variant are worse are lying, or perhaps naively believing lies at best.

Zatara
Zatara
August 30, 2021 11:08 am

Surveillance Legislation Amendment (Identify and Disrupt) Bill 2020

“The first change is a data disruption power that reportedly aims to prevent “continuation of criminal activity by participants…”

And isn’t it handy that according to the new bill (which is currently awaiting Royal Assent) the people who get to decide what “criminal activity” are don’t even need to convince a Magistrate or a Judge because the warrants can be singed off by an “Administrative Appeals Tribunal”?

Somehow I see “posting disinformation” rapidly being designated one of the most criminal of online activity.

Next to be so designated:
Dissension
“Undesirable” things
Websites with “Cat” in their name

Trolls will require federal approval to ensure their ideological purity (not a joke). So at least it has that going for it.

John Brumble
John Brumble
August 30, 2021 11:10 am

John, your own example of the UK is perfect. Look at the daily deaths here:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

That is not a graph that shows the newer strain to be more deadly.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 30, 2021 11:15 am

‘holiday from democracy’

Bang on.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 30, 2021 11:17 am

Unvaccinated people are only a ‘threat’ to themselves, surely. They can shed no more virus on a vaccinated person than that vaccinated person can shed on them, correct? In fact, they are as likely to be infected by other vaccinated people. So no grounds to treat them differently thus far.

If infected, so it supposedly goes, the vaccinated person will suffer less severe symptoms. That is the case whether they are infected by a fellow vaccinated person as an unvaccinated one.

The only difference is that a person who chooses not to get the jab has decided to take the risk – such as waiting until non-mRNA vaccines are available, or indefinitely because they assess they are not at risk (like young-uns).

So businesses that turn away unvaccinated people have no actual basis.

I think our political class does not understand this, or do but are not saying.

I wonder if this will become a court case?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 30, 2021 11:18 am

I’ve had yearly flu shots for the past fifteen years, since aged 65. I’ve been remarkably healthy in respiratory terms, only the occasional cold, and one rather bad episode of bronchitis on a cruise down to South America and round the Horn. The whole ship seemed to be at the docs for that one. Antibiotics worked. But life on board went on and most people only took a day or two out for it. It wasn’t a flu either.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 30, 2021 11:18 am

an unfrozen wedgetailed eagle encountered in flight can punch a hole in the inboard leading edge of a Dash-8

A lot of those curved leading edges are just glorified plastic mouldings.

srr
srr
August 30, 2021 11:19 am

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
August 30, 2021 at 8:42 am

I’m also under the impression that vaccine apartheid will be temporary. Because the unvaccinated will get covid and get their immunity which they will be able to prove.

Yes. The whole thing may quickly become a nothingburger in a year or so. […]
_____________________________

So, you acknowledge WE HAVE “vax APARTHEID”, and yet YOU ARE FINE WITH IT, even being so ‘generous’ as to considering allowing those Un-vaccinated (so far beneath you), to be allowed to serve you, “in a year or so”.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 30, 2021 11:23 am

They can shed no more virus on a vaccinated person than that vaccinated person can shed on them, correct?

There is some debate about that, re ‘viral load’ in the vaxxed vs the unvaxxed. Some studies say viral load is high in the vaxxed so what’s the problem, others say it is reduced in the vaxxed. It’s quite likely to be ideosyncratic to individuals, depending on many other factors. Regardless, it doesn’t seem like any sort of real argument to divide the Nation into two categories of people.

srr
srr
August 30, 2021 11:27 am

Dotsays:
August 30, 2021 at 9:27 am
NSW has recorded 1218 Covid-19 cases and six more people have died as the state reached the halfway mark to a 70 per cent vaccination rate.

So 35% fully vaccinated with 70% efficacy means 24.5% effectively vaccinated.

That’s a long way to 80% fully vaccinated “needed” for herd immunity.

Just stop this wasteful and destructive charade now.

Just stop this wasteful and destructive charade now.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 30, 2021 11:28 am

Oh do stop muddling up who is saying what, srr. You are so prone to doing that.

It was Rosie’s sentence that used the work ‘apartheid’. Quite sensibly I thought.

I simply added the truth that the whole thing may likely blow over before we knew it.

As as you see by my last comment, I have no time for a Two Nations approach to vaxx/unvaxxed. And no toleration for separating people within Australia on the basis of vaxx status. A Covid vaxx may be required by other countries at point of entry and thus may be a requirement for boarding ships or aircraft in Australia. I can live with that.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 30, 2021 11:31 am

Un-vaccinated (so far beneath you)

srr, this is the sort of specious nonsense worthy only of a fixated individual like Johanna.

srr
srr
August 30, 2021 11:31 am

“… we can’t have traders making the calls and saying sorry we are not serving you.”

No we can’t.
That is why They NEED the Govts To TELL US who may and may NOT be served.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 30, 2021 11:32 am

Twiggy a cool $2.35b richer after FMG dividend
Stuart McKinnon
The West Australian
Mon, 30 August 2021 7:51AM

Andrew Forrest will receive a final dividend cheque of $2.35 billion next month after the company he founded 18 years ago reaped a $US10.3 billion annual profit on the back of a surging iron ore price.

It will be the biggest dividend cheque of the mining entrepreneur’s life, eclipsing the $1.64b payout he received earlier this year courtesy of Fortescue Metals Group’s $1.47-a-share interim payout.

The eye-watering dividend comes thanks to his 36 per cent stake in the iron ore miner.

It represents more than double the $1.1 billion he received in the second half of last year after the company reported its 2020 full-year results which in turn followed an $844m cheque he picked up in April last year as an interim dividend.

The latest payout means that Mr Forrest has now pocketed more than $8 billion in dividends from Fortescue since it began declaring them in 2011.

Despite the huge sums, Mr Forrest’s holding in Fortescue today is worth $6b less than it was a month ago owing to a sudden drop in the iron ore price from record highs above $US220/t to its $US157.55/t today.

Arky
August 30, 2021 11:33 am

I simply added the truth that the whole thing may likely blow over before we knew it.

..
This is possible, Lizzie.
Will have done quite a bit of damage to actual individuals that will be ongoing.
Also it has set a precedent that Australians will tolerate it, and next time they’ll probably push further.
It’s been disgusting watching the media and governments go this way.

calli
calli
August 30, 2021 11:33 am

How vax apartheid works.

Looks sciencey.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
August 30, 2021 11:38 am

The only difference is that a person who chooses not to get the jab has decided to take the risk – such as waiting until non-mRNA vaccines are available, or indefinitely because they assess they are not at risk (like young-uns).

Exactly. And that should be the end of it as far as any government is concerned.

Zatara
Zatara
August 30, 2021 11:41 am

Hurricane Ida Radar Pic

Leissez les bons temps rouler!

cohenite
August 30, 2021 11:43 am

Anyone who wants to while a pleasant 46 minutes away this from the Internet Historian: droll, laugh out loud funny and sad at the same time:

The Cost of Concordia

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  2. My tailshaft bigotry comes from real life. The Melbourne based ADC has not a whit or comma regarding Alan Jones…

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