Why is all the data so old and rubbish?

From Worldometer:

Age of Coronavirus Deaths

We are collecting and analyzing the data from all US States. In the meantime, below we show the data provided by New York City Health as of May 13, 2020:

Agenumber
of deaths
%
share
of deaths
with
underlying
comorbid
without
underlying
comorbid
0-1790.06%63
18-446013.9%47617
45-64341322.4%285172
65-74378824.9%28015
75+741948.7%52362
Total15230100%1137099
Very old data from New York May 13 2020

Some other links:

Australia

USA

The table is old, over a year old, but good luck finding a more up to date table with the same classes of data. Cross referencing with the more recent links given, the proportions of deaths per age groups don’t seem to have changed greatly. Will Delta change that? Don’t know, link if you have good data.

What does it mean? It means those aged 18 – 44 with no comorbidities made up 17 out of 15230 deaths recorded from Covid. Or 0.11% of deaths. IF this is still roughly true, given the relative sizes of each age cohort within the population, and IF that English nursey person who does the covid updates on YouTube is correct when he repeats that herd immunity is now impossible, then what the hell are we doing vaccinating any healthy person under 50!???

Tell me if there is something they are seeing that I’m not. Really, I’m curious as to what the logic is here.

31 thoughts on “Why is all the data so old and rubbish?”

  1. One of the BIG items in that 2019 influenza plan was the task of government to collect data.
    To make sense of this thing you need consistent data on cases, deaths, comorbidities, by age group and presented consistently over time so that any differences between the variants can be clearly parsed.
    The lack of consistently presenting the relevant data so that a person can make a judgement, along with their doctor, as to whether or not a vaccine is in their personal best interest, is a failure.
    Stop fucking “messaging” us and present the actual data you have correctly.


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  2. I understand that there are risks of adverse reactions but avoiding death isn’t the only reason to get a vaccination, it’s also to avoid hospitalisations.


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  3. I don’t particularly think under 50s should get vaccinated or that they should be included in vaccine ‘targets’ but as responsible adults they shouldn’t be prevented from doing so.


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  4. The government will now engage in the moab of face saving distraction squirrels to hide the fact lockdowns, mandates, fines did nothing and were unwarranted. A knee jerk reaction to what the communists did.

    Meanwhile countless lives were ruined to protect people from catching a virus which we are now being told is as inevitable as catching a common cold. What a surprise it is a common cold virus which the communists experimented with to make deadly.


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  5. Because they have to get the vax numbers up high enough to provide the cover story when “testing” is lowered and the “cases” fall through the floor.
    Always remember that pollies lie most when they are covering their arses.
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  6. Data like this are always going to be “noisy” and/or contaminated and thus misleading.

    I’d advise baselining any analysis you do to “deaths from all causes” – nice and crisp (people either die or they don’t – not a lot of wriggle room) which is surprisingly up-to-date and freely available in most first world countries including the US (through CDC) the UK (through ONS) and Australia (through ABS).

    Once you have this nice firm place to stand, as it were, it’s easy to stress test other data you’re able to source.

    Obviously, the more “third world” your country of interest the harder this is to do, but TANSTAAFL.


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  7. duncanmsays:
    September 2, 2021 at 7:29 am
    More up to date 2021 numbers are in the weekly mortality data linked from that page

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    Ta.
    It’s interesting that none of the data is available in a form that allows comparison of the key metrics.


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  8. Always remember that pollies lie most when they are covering their arses.

    Normally the lies are just cover their arses for procedural stuffups, minor graft and corruption and general incompetence. The lies relating to COVID are orders of magnitude more serious. They cover unnecessary deaths (suicides / people missing regular doc appointments), economic vandalism (most small businesses & related jobs will not recover), schooling/educational disasters and the list goes on. The tyranny of the lockdowns has costs WAY more deadlier than the virus.

    And to prevent this getting out there is why the Cops are out in force – perfect examples of Zimbardo’s or Milgram experimental subjects – supressing and scaring the population into believing how dangerous this is. The recent laws that will allow Government and police to interfere with and alter communication, access confidential data and spy on people is there to supress or change viewpoints and public information that challenges their narrative.

    https://www.iflscience.com/policy/australias-new-police-powers-allow-them-to-control-social-media-accounts-delete-data/

    And this is what they must control. People can not see stuff like this [not sure where the clipping is from]:

    https://twitter.com/Gebbs84/status/1432901155831513099?s=20

    And watch this space. Zero-COVID is so last week and we can all look to freedom soon! [Just let us figure out how to re-define with and from and stop reporting some unnecessary stats]. The uni-party Governments have just realised that the squeaking sound is the sound of tumbril wheels getting ready for them at the next election…


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  9. I’d advise baselining any analysis you do to “deaths from all causes” – nice and crisp (people either die or they don’t – not a lot of wriggle room) which is surprisingly up-to-date and freely available in most first world countries including the US (through CDC) the UK (through ONS) and Australia (through ABS).

    Can’t work.
    The response from the believers is that the lockdowns kept it within (or in Australia’s case) well below the average.

    You need to concentrate on the end results of actual cases to overcome this “heads I win, tails you lose” situation. You need to look at what happened to people who can be verified as having it.

    The authorities use cases, hospitalisations, ICU admission and deaths to classify the severity. Currently, they are deceiving people by mixing all the age groups together to come up with a sufficiently drastic figure. When you break it down into age groups, Covid looks rather tame and only goes stratospheric in the 70, 80 and 90+ age range. This is why the data on age break down is so hard to find. It’s not a good look when everyone is being treated as having the same risk.

    For information, during the period (Aug 2020) of the largest spike in cases in Australia (and for a month or two afterwards), Australia had historically low levels of mortality. It didn’t even touch the 5 year rolling average, and in some cases, it was even below the extremes.

    https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/latest-release


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  10. Arky,
    Good point about ‘data’ and the deficiencies.
    The TGA here have a thing called the ‘Database of Adverse Event Notifications’ for both medicines and medical devices. I did a search there a week or so ago, and found 450 or so adverse events following Covid vaccination, with 460 or more resulting in death.
    Went to have another look this morning. This is what appears:
    The DAEN – Medicines is currently unavailable due to performance issues resulting from a high number of requests.
    This is being investigated as a priority, however a timeframe for the resolution is unavailable.

    But they do publish a Covid-19 weekly safety report. for the last period being up to 26 August.
    Here:
    Strangely, almost nil deaths to report and only a few adverse issues.
    More evidence that we are being lied to or denied full (or all) relevant information.
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  11. There is a error that I let slip through in the above. Should be just the 460 or so deaths.
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  12. The TGA here have a thing called the ‘Database of Adverse Event Notifications’ for both medicines and medical devices. I did a search there a week or so ago,

    Yes – so did I and there were 450 or so deaths for the vaxx. Like I said – there is bad fuckiffication afoot!


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  13. Someone should ask to see the Pfizer, AstraZeneca and other contracts for the Vaxx. Would these be public somewhere? And would the contracts be federal or state level? The fact that the Govt’s are now pushing the Vaxx on 12 year olds (and below!) is so contraindicated! Two months ago Jeannette Young was explicit that AZ shouldn’t go to anyone under 40! And no 18 year olds should be vaxxed!

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/queensland-s-cho-doesn-t-want-18-year-olds-to-get-astrazeneca-but-not-everyone-agrees
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-30/qld-cho-rejects-morrisons-astrazeneca-comments-covid-vaccine/100256022

    What changed? Da Sienze is settled I thought!


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  14. @Mater

    Can’t work.
    The response from the believers is that the lockdowns kept it within (or in Australia’s case) well below the average.

    Well, no – that’s the point of having incontrovertible base data.

    You can, for example, use that base data to compare “per standadised population” Sweden against the UK; Florida against California etc etc then you can talk seriously and meaningfully about the effect of their contrasting approaches to the COVID challenge.

    If, for example, you can show similar “for all practical purposes” (eg, say, no greater %age died over the 24 months) outcomes for ultra-lockdowns vs laissez faire…then you demonstrate that lockdowns are as useful as a rabbit’s foot charm.

    For any useful comparison, you need a hard baseline. Then “All other things being equal…” is meaningful.

    That assumes, however, that you actually want “to generate data & logic based understanding”. If, however, you’re arguing with someone whose position is based on ideology or faith, you might as well save yourself the trouble.


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  15. I should have said…the same process works whatever your question…were the hospitals overrun under one regimen but not another, what is the state of the economy following, are masks effective in (whatever), does vaccination impact transmission, illness, serious illness, death …etc etc

    If the outcomes are not apparent on the “bottom line”, they didn’t happen.

    Of course, you might find something surprising/inconvenient/shocking…but that’s half the fun of research, isn’t it?


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  16. It’s Remarkablesays:
    September 2, 2021 at 10:27 am

    I think you need to be careful with the DAEN vs. TGA report data.

    My understanding is the DAEN is ‘raw’ – ie: patient dies after vaccination. Log it.

    The TGA (or someone) then has a closer look to determine if its causative or just coincidence.


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  17. If, however, you’re arguing with someone whose position is based on ideology or faith, you might as well save yourself the trouble.

    This is becoming my position.
    The narrative is like a run away Steamroller, and no ‘facts’ are going to blunt it’s momentum.


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  18. The +2 the 75+ without underlying comorbidity is usual when stacked against the rest. It’s way under expectations compared to 0 -17 age group. Startling in fact

    ..
    Not sure what is going on there, or how they define underlying conditions. There’s a big difference number wise between: overweight, obese and morbidly obese.
    What proportion of people get to 75 without some underlying condition?
    But yes, compared to the 45- 64, it’s weird.


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  19. @Mater

    All data is apparently arguable, even the government stuff

    I don’t think government data, per se, is “reliable”.

    I do think government records of births/marriages/deaths is pretty robust, though – I think even governments can count – deaths must be reported (you really can’t bury or burn it without a death certificate) and while “cause of death” is certainly arguable, the “fact of death” is not.


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  20. @Mater

    As we saw from Jo Nova’s response to my recent post:

    I read that.

    It occurs to me, though, that any stress on the hospitals is more likely to be due to COVID response than to COVID.

    Thinking about the comparison of COVID with ‘flu, when a hospital staff member gets COVID, they send half the staff home to isolate (I reckon that’d be enough to put strain on any hospital). During the flu season (and periodically – eg 2017 – the season can be very deadly) staff are not routinely tested for flu and if they fall sufficiently ill, they (not half the staff) stay home til they’re better.

    So the question becomes, is the problem primarily the disease or the treatment.


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  21. Thinking about the comparison of COVID with ‘flu, when a hospital staff member gets COVID, they send half the staff home to isolate (I reckon that’d be enough to put strain on any hospital)

    I can guarantee you that this is absolutely part of the problem. The huge swathes of staff being sent into isolation over a single exposure is legendary here in Victoria. The bill was being picked up by the Feds (hotel accommodation, etc), so the State did nothing to discourage it…if you get my meaning. Additionally, they were too tight to issue N95 masks to anyone not in a Covid ward, and had a policy that anyone wearing merely a surgical mask was considered exposed, and hence isolated. Laughable if it wasn’t so serious.

    To Jo’s issue about hospital stress, NSW currently has 150 people in ICU. Gladys promised last year to have 1020 beds available.

    ICU beds doubled to more than 1000 to cope with COVID-19

    Where’s the stress? Why is our freedom dependent upon it?

    I also suspect that because of the scare factor, more people are being hospitalised as a precaution. I’d wager that in a normal year, people with worse symptoms had ridden it out at home.

    A bit of reading also indicates that the stress in July 2009 was similar to what they are experiencing now.

    P.S. I don’t think government data if all that reliable either, but I tried to limit my analysis to lab confirmed cases and deaths. I think that’s as reliable as the system will provide we plebs.

    Thanks for your constructive comments.


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