Open Thread – Tues 14 Sept 2021


Battle of Tours, Charles de Steuben, 1837.

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Eyrie
Eyrie
September 16, 2021 7:56 pm

“The contract will have ‘Termination for Convenience’ clauses which should read something like ‘audited costs plus 10%’”

Just tell the Frogs to fuck off. Not a dollar more.

Eyrie
Eyrie
September 16, 2021 7:58 pm

the Tomahawk missile which any subs would use can be fitted with a nuclear warhead.

So can torpedoes.

cohenite
September 16, 2021 7:58 pm

“The contract will have ‘Termination for Convenience’ clauses which should read something like ‘audited costs plus 10%’”

Arguably the frog defects in contractual timetables and obligations would nullify that clause since it wasn’t a termination for convenience but inconvenience.

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
September 16, 2021 8:00 pm

Follow Da Science goes out the window at the ABC when it comes to fanning irrational anti-nuclear hysteria:

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-16/sa-residents-eye-safety-and-jobs-amid-nuclear-submarine-deal/100467204

Top Ender
Top Ender
September 16, 2021 8:09 pm

Most embarrassing sea-mine failure in Aussie history?

When the four boats of the Imperial Japanese Navy’s Sixth Squadron laid over 100 outside Darwin and in the Torres Strait in early 1942.

Not one sank anything, and there’s one on display in HMAS Penguin.

Something about fierce tides.

Bar Beach Swimmer
September 16, 2021 8:09 pm

Mark Latham said on Bolt that Scummo has reneged on his promise to the party room that the commonwealth would not upload to the Services NSW app NSW residents’ immunisation reports. There goes Scummo’s assertion that in Australia there is no such thing as mandatory vaccination.

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
September 16, 2021 8:09 pm

‘Termination of Convenience’? Sounds like something out of Anaesthesia Palace Chook’s latest social engineering legislation?

Should Anaesthesia, Jacki Trad and Stephen Miles be kept alive? They have been suffering for decades from a debilitating illness known as leftism which leaves them incapable of making a useful contribution to society and makes them a useless drain on resources. (Sarcasm alert ?)

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 16, 2021 8:12 pm

And there was Barrie Cassidy today twittering his frets about the cost of exiting the French contract.

FMD.
You can spray cash out of a fire hose at their pet projects … no probs.
Something like this pops up and they are suddenly all chin-rubbing concern about spending.
And, what was lost on Bawwie is that this flip will be a net save of maybe $40, even after paying break costs to the Frogs.

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
September 16, 2021 8:13 pm

The submarine contract is the ultimate indictment of Turdball: ready to waste tens of billions of public money and endanger the nation’s security to shore up Christopher Pune’s seat.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 16, 2021 8:17 pm

TE at 7:53.
Thanks for that.
So no conversion costs at all.
Just different warheads in the inventory and a pair of welder-grade flash sunnies all round.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 16, 2021 8:17 pm

Sancho, from memory the Tomahawk missile which any subs would use can be fitted with a nuclear warhead.

Nuking cities is so old fashioned. These days you just let off a megaton nuke in the ocean offshore. The tsunami wipes out everything without all that annoying and inconvenient radiation. Move right in!

Speaking of such things there’s a small scare right now, not from humans:

A Swarm Of 700 Earthquakes Rattles Canary Islands, Sparks Speculation Of Volcanic Eruption (15 Sep)

A massive earthquake swarm has been reported around the volcanic island of La Palma in the Canary Islands of Spain. The Volcanological Institute of the Canary Islands (Involcan) said there’s reason to believe the seismic swarm is due to magma slowly rising.

La Palma has a bloody great fracture right up the guts of the island, and has been a concern for tsunami people for some time. If the left half of the island slides into the sea, as is possible, the modeling suggests the tsunami arriving at New York City will be 50m high. Maybe even bigger.

JC
JC
September 16, 2021 8:21 pm

Eyrie’s also a world renowned military procurement expert and missile/rocket scientist. Is there anything he can’t do?

Harlequin Decline
September 16, 2021 8:26 pm

Arguably the frog defects in contractual timetables and obligations would nullify that clause since it wasn’t a termination for convenience but inconvenience.

Any lawyer worth his salt will argue along those lines. There will be milestone payments which can be argued on firm grounds if progress is not made.

However you can bet the waters will be muddied up due to Australian initiated changes and some sort of risk sharing in the contract of which the customer will be obliged to pay in part .

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 16, 2021 8:30 pm

Eyrie’s also a world renowned military procurement expert and missile/rocket scientist.

Maybe JC you too could try flying a plane without an engine.
Avionics happens to be his business.
I am amused.

Harlequin Decline
September 16, 2021 8:36 pm

What should have happened ( and may well have for all I know) is that the DOD contract people should have issued a letter starting a clock that gives the supplier a contractually set period of time to remedy defects/defaults before the contract can be terminated by the customer without undue penalty.

Even here the supplier can argue that other clauses and customer actions contributed to the defects/defaults and negotiate for additional payments but it gives the customer the upper hand in the process.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
September 16, 2021 8:37 pm

Breaking the contract with the French to redirect procurement to a partner in a new treaty which includes Britain – strategically siding with the UK rather than the EU.

Armadillo
Armadillo
September 16, 2021 8:39 pm

“that fellow down under.”

The weirdest thing about that Biden announcement regarding nuclear submarines isn’t that Biden forgot Scott Morrison’s name. He’s the Prime Minister of Australia. Meh, people forget people’s names. That’s fine. It happens.

What’s really weird is that he said “that fellow”.

It’s like Biden has mixed up the “English/Australian” colloquialisms.

When’s the last time you called a bloke at the pub “a fellow”? .

Nah. It’s a “bloke”, but the underlying message is that he doesn’t know the difference between an Englishmen and an Australian. Zero idea. None.

All’s that Biden knows is that it’s a deal between America, England and Australia. He forgot the Australian PM’s name, so he’s just “fudged it”.

I’d be completely surprised if Biden even knows what the submarine deal is about.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 16, 2021 8:39 pm

Rogersays:
September 16, 2021 at 6:47 pm
The agreement “seriously undermines regional peace and stability and intensifies the arms race”, Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian told a regular press briefing.

Only the ABC would take that seriously.

Perhaps Their ABC could ask the foreign ministry spokesman about the construction of artificial fortress islands in the South China Sea (and the environmental impact of their construction), as well as the recent “expedition” into Alaskan waters? No? Thought not?

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 16, 2021 8:43 pm

Indolent

The simple way out for them ALL to simply stop working. I think Darling Dan might then have second thoughts. Actually, this is what is happening around America, nurses here, police there. They all have heft if they stick together.

“The workers, united, shall never be defeated”? Isn’t that what the CFMMEU exists for, to protect the interests of the workers?

Should I add //sarc//?

Armadillo
Armadillo
September 16, 2021 8:43 pm

All those “whiteys” are the same. Blokes. Fellows. Folks.

Off script, without a teleprompter, he is totally clueless.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
September 16, 2021 8:44 pm

Regarding the Supreme Court verdict in the US regarding the mRNA vaccines – I do not claim to know the specific laws nor the rationale behind them, but I would think describing them as interfering with genetics will be open to dispute.

I would think most people consider human genetic material to be that which is within the nucleus. Perhaps mitochondria.

My understanding is that the mRNA vaccines do not involve themselves there. In fact they don’t interact with genetic material, but mimic what is produced by the DNA in the nucleus to prompt ribosomes to produce proteins.

If the point of the law is to stop manipulating DNA to produce or suppress human characteristics then mRNA vaccines might be held not to be contrary to the law.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 16, 2021 8:46 pm

hzhousewifesays:
September 16, 2021 at 7:09 pm
Oooh JC, I thought I was the only one with such evil thoughts re Three Gorges Dam. I reckon China is in a world of trouble internally, but that’s no reason to treat them nicely on the world stage.

Leave the dams to a nation which is not a party to the Geneva Conventions. Or a decent earthquake, which could occur at any time.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 16, 2021 8:49 pm

Old Leftysays:

September 16, 2021 at 8:13 pm

The submarine contract is the ultimate indictment of Turdball: ready to waste tens of billions of public money and endanger the nation’s security to shore up Christopher Pune’s seat.

Trumble went Frog because the Jap conventional sub was Abbott’s preferred option.
Pure and simple.
Overpay by $30 bill to expunge Abbott’s legacy.
Now he has been trumped by the nuclear option … literally.
The beauty of this is that there are no white papers, green papers or interminable Sir Humphrey briefings.
Process is great 99% of the time.
But there is one guiding principle here.
Buy something commercial off the shelf for three reasons. Cost, schedule and reliable proven technology.
Once you make that obvious decision, going with the current model of one of your major strategic allies is also a no brainer.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 16, 2021 8:50 pm

Indolentsays:
September 16, 2021 at 7:17 pm
Bill Gates is looking forward for his next pandemic, with plans for new mRNA vaccines (to be mass produced in India) designed to change other aspects of our genetic makeup.

Soon real humans won‘t exist at all!

Klaus Schwab has been mouthing off for years about transhumanism, combining people and machines, sounding like the absolute lunatic he is. It seems they’re really trying to accomplish that.

Those two seem to delight in rubbing our noses in their plans for fascism.

Helen Davidson (nmrn)
Helen Davidson (nmrn)
September 16, 2021 8:58 pm

Took the tinny out to Manton Dam today for hubby to play with his new Watersnake electric motor and figure out how it all works.

THERE WAS A QR CHECK IN CODE AT THE TOP OF THE BOAT RAMP!!!

Is this a Northern Territory idiocy, or are other states asking you to check in at beaches and parks?

Armadillo
Armadillo
September 16, 2021 8:58 pm

I honestly don’t think Biden’s hearts in it.

He’s like a drugged up version of “Weekend at Bernies”. He’s likely to be the first US President to die of “Ice Cream Poisoning”.

The hostage crisis isn’t in Kabul, it’s in Washington.

Harlequin Decline
September 16, 2021 8:59 pm

I’d be completely surprised if Biden even knows what the submarine deal is about.

He’s probably wondering why everyone is making such a fuss about a sandwich.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 16, 2021 8:59 pm

Now here comes the fly in the sub ointment.
The RAN has traditionally been tied to the RN’s apron strings.
Watch for the RAN Nelson’s Blood faction declaring the Brit option technically superior.
And also right-hand drive.

rickw
rickw
September 16, 2021 9:01 pm

What happens if Vikpol murders protesters tomorrow?

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
September 16, 2021 9:02 pm

“What happens if Vikpol murders protesters tomorrow?”
****
Patton and Cornelius will get some more medal ribbons.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 16, 2021 9:03 pm

Sancho Panzersays:
September 16, 2021 at 8:59 pm
Now here comes the fly in the sub ointment.
The RAN has traditionally been tied to the RN’s apron strings.

Probably not since the 1980s. The last big British deal was the MHCs? No major British surface ships or subs since the 1960s?

srr
srr
September 16, 2021 9:06 pm

Crossie says:
September 16, 2021 at 7:50 pm
[…]
First Trump called Malcolm Michael Trumble and now Biden completely forgot Morrison’s name. Trump’s misnomer was probably on purpose, somebody must have told him Turnbull hates him. Biden forgetting is real dementia.

I like the way things keep panning out –

Turnbull didn’t even have the decency to have Trump’s Number on hand to congratulate him for becoming POTUS.

Then Turnbull tried to big note himself & shit on Trump when he did call.

Turnbull got dumped.

Key ran away.

Trump gave Morrison a State Dinner.

We got Nukes.

And we don’t have to play nice with crazy Biden backers, NZ & Canada.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
September 16, 2021 9:06 pm

What happens if Vikpol murders protesters tomorrow?

They will be counted as Covid deaths.

rickw
rickw
September 16, 2021 9:07 pm

Lehman Brothers’ debt was roughly twice as big as Evergrande’s, although given the opaque nature of Chinese companies they may in reality turn out to be similar in size, once the dust settles. Lehman Brothers’ collapse caused the GFC. Oops.

Their chip manufacturing sector seems to be running pretty much the same ponzi.

Armadillo
Armadillo
September 16, 2021 9:07 pm

The Whitehouse dogs keep biting everyone.

Those fuckers know what’s going on.

srr
srr
September 16, 2021 9:09 pm

“Armadillo says:
September 16, 2021 at 8:58 pm
[…]
The hostage crisis isn’t in Kabul, it’s in Washington.
________________________

Yep!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 16, 2021 9:11 pm

Trumble went Frog because the Jap conventional sub was Abbott’s preferred option.

Didn’t the Japanese submarines lack the range and the weapons load for Australian requirements?

Bar Beach Swimmer
September 16, 2021 9:11 pm

The Hunt for Red October is on Gem – very apt.

Bar Beach Swimmer
September 16, 2021 9:15 pm

Zulu, maybe (I have no idea because I no nothing about subs, engineering, etc). But wholly and firstly it was about Trumble discrediting anything that Abbott had put up. (As well as saving Pyne’s seat).

Armadillo
Armadillo
September 16, 2021 9:17 pm

Lehman Brothers’ debt was roughly twice as big as Evergrande’s, although given the opaque nature of Chinese companies they may in reality turn out to be similar in size, once the dust settles. Lehman Brothers’ collapse caused the GFC. Oops.

Mrs A converted her super to cash a week or so ago. I’m excited to see where this all goes, in a macabre sort of way. Black Swan event.

pete m
pete m
September 16, 2021 9:22 pm

Did folks notice that in the Full Court of the Federal Court, Ridd lost because hurt feelings, but that rabid anti-semite won because academic freedom means you are safe to post pictures of your colleagues wearing death to jews words? Almost identical wording but they claim to be able to see a difference – amazing expertise there.

Crossie
Crossie
September 16, 2021 9:26 pm

I just realised that all those politicians and commentators on Sky who have grown facial hair during the lockdown are disrespectful to the rest of us. If I can do my hair each day and put on makeup for the zoom meetings they can shave to appear on TV.

Not Uh oh
Not Uh oh
September 16, 2021 9:27 pm

So who was in the Cabinet at the time who supported Turnbull’s decision on the subs? Any of them still left?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 16, 2021 9:28 pm

The Hunt for Red October is on Gem

Has the bit where Red October sinks HMAS Sydney happened yet?

Indolent
Indolent
September 16, 2021 9:33 pm

Mark Latham said on Bolt that Scummo has reneged on his promise to the party room that the commonwealth would not upload to the Services NSW app NSW residents’ immunisation reports.

Yesterday we were told that this was not the case. And what about the privacy forms lodged against third party sharing?

Crossie
Crossie
September 16, 2021 9:34 pm

Trumble went Frog because the Jap conventional sub was Abbott’s preferred option.
Pure and simple.

Sancho, you are over-complicating this. Trumble went French because he is fashion -conscious, anything from Paris is more exclusive than from anywhere else.

Armadillo
Armadillo
September 16, 2021 9:36 pm

Why hasn’t General Milley been executed yet?

Wait to see the transcripts.

I suspect there are more hostages than anyone could ever imagine in Washington and Hollywood. It’s child’s play to the powerful.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 16, 2021 9:37 pm

Bloody hell.

Dane Swan’s going to run around with Darwin club Waratahs in the upcoming season.

I don’t know about their footy team, but their cricket club is 90% flogs.

Indolent
Indolent
September 16, 2021 9:40 pm

Those two seem to delight in rubbing our noses in their plans for fascism.

This actually goes beyond fascism, which is a means of total control. They seem to want to actually change the makeup of human beings. They seem to see themselves as god like, although satan would be a more accurate description.

Armadillo
Armadillo
September 16, 2021 9:43 pm

You only get to the top by playing the power game. It’s that simple.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 16, 2021 9:49 pm

Mark Latham said on Bolt that Scummo has reneged on his promise to the party room that the commonwealth would not upload to the Services NSW app NSW residents’ immunisation reports.
Yesterday we were told that this was not the case. And what about the privacy forms lodged against third party sharing?

& I told you that all the data is linked already.
You just know about it.
Palantir is treating Australia like an amusement park.
Has been since before COVID but going nuts now.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 16, 2021 9:52 pm

don’t know

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
September 16, 2021 9:55 pm

The old boy in Chinchilla pinged for his pocketknife put up a “guilty” plea to that bloody ridiculous charge.

a. Never plead guilty even if you are caught standing over a corpse with a smoking gun in your hand.

b. Chinchilla locals should hound that idiot cop out of town.

Indolent
Indolent
September 16, 2021 9:55 pm

Palantir the U.S. tech company? When did they start running things in Australia?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 16, 2021 9:58 pm

Crossiesays:

September 16, 2021 at 9:34 pm

Trumble went Frog because the Jap conventional sub was Abbott’s preferred option.
Pure and simple.
………….
Sancho, you are over-complicating this. Trumble went French because he is fashion -conscious, anything from Paris is more exclusive than from anywhere else

Ha, ha.
It did occur to me that Trumble would think it would make him look Euro-classy.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 16, 2021 9:59 pm

The earliest I heard of Palantir working with the ATO was 2017.

Armadillo
Armadillo
September 16, 2021 10:01 pm

Mark Latham said on Bolt that Scummo has reneged on his promise to the party room that the commonwealth would not upload to the Services NSW app NSW residents’ immunisation reports.

I’d be more concerned about the weirdos that have access to it. The “information highway” isn’t what they sold it to be. Don’t get me wrong. There is good stuff, but the “bad stuff” that wasn’t advertised is now becoming evident.

The Government can track me, but I can’t track them.

Bar Beach Swimmer
September 16, 2021 10:02 pm

Knuckle Draggersays:
September 16, 2021 at 9:28 pm

not yet…

Indolent
Indolent
September 16, 2021 10:02 pm
Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 16, 2021 10:02 pm

No public statement from Alex Turnbull as yet.

A matter of time.

Barry
Barry
September 16, 2021 10:11 pm

The yanks are dumb. But Morro is dumber.
The chinks will pinch every last bit of submarine nuclear tech straight from under ASIO’s nose.
Our diversidee hires Leading Seaman Hong Gao and Petty Officer Huang are licking their ample lips.
That will destroy AUKUS within a year of handover, and 5/4/3 Eyes immediately after that.
Never again will the yanks be sucked in to trusting Australia.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 16, 2021 10:13 pm

Chinchilla locals should hound that idiot cop out of town.

Some years ago, in the Wild West, one of the locals took an old sheepdog, into town, for veterinary treatment. The vet advised that the dog would have to be euthanized. The owner had the dog “Put down’, but wanted to take the remains home, as a lesson to his kids. “Flash got sick, the vet couldn’t make him better, but we’ll bury him under the big tree up on the hill.’

Cop pulled him over, and charged him with “driving with an unsecured load.”

Said cop didn’t last long after that – the local Country Woman’s Association ringled the movement to run him out of town.

Muddy
Muddy
September 16, 2021 10:13 pm

A few months ago I was on Etsy (an online marketplace thingy) looking for some Australian-designed t-shirts. I happened across what I thought was a decent design on a tank top for a reasonable price (considering postage these days). It was a vertical dagger passing through a crown, and the designer explained in the brief sales blurb that she’d previously struggled through mental health issues, and the design was symbolic … (I forget the exact explanation, but I thought it was apt at the time). Given she’d only just started the business (Sydney area), and hadn’t made a sale yet, I ordered one of them.

Weeks passed, then a month, six weeks … I wasn’t in a hurry, and I knew that Sydney had been locked down, so I didn’t want to hassle her. Eventually, after two months, I tried to contact her, but received no response, and reluctantly contacted Etsy. I got my money back and noticed that her store no longer existed. It was disappointing, as I had wanted to support someone who was making an attempt to help themselves.

I’m left wondering what happened to dagger and crown girl? I’ll never find out, of course, but I very much hope that whatever has happened to smack down her dreams is only a temporary hurdle. Not everyone has the same coping skills, resilience, support, properly functioning brain chemicals, or perhaps … simply good luck.

I wonder if someone will ever invent a word or phrase adequate enough to convey the damage that has been done to people. Real people. Not statistics. Real, breathing, fragile, people.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
September 16, 2021 10:14 pm

Has the bit where Red October sinks HMAS Sydney happened yet?

the white sub with makeup?

Armadillo
Armadillo
September 16, 2021 10:16 pm

Never again will the yanks be sucked in to trusting Australia.

And visa a versa. Isn’t that the whole point?

MatrixTransform
September 16, 2021 10:21 pm

How do we get out of this? We have NO choice now? What if we have no choice but to work?

there may be a gun pointed at Joe Average’s head … but Joe himself gave ’em the bullets

sorry to say that working Joe’s real problem has always been debt.
same with Joe’s middle-class cousin, Dick
always borrowing from the future

on the other hand … the sneaky fascists have been making debt very cheap lately

tbh … saw this coming about 7 years ago.

MatrixTransform
September 16, 2021 10:28 pm

The simple way out for them ALL to simply stop working

It is a shake-down
call their bluff.
let it fall to bits

Fuck you, said Dan
No mate … fuck you, said everybody else

srr
srr
September 16, 2021 10:29 pm

mh says:
September 16, 2021 at 9:29 pm
Clive Palmer Press conference – Freedom of choice – Important information for all Australians
Clive Palmer Press conference – Press conference talking about Craig Kelly, the TGA and the threats of legal action for sharing their own report on Vaccine deaths and Vaccine adverse reactions. Also important information about the right to choose what you put in your body, free from coersion or compulsion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYeOljv43CU&t=0s

There was one very dumb presstitute there, but Clive answered superbly.

Armadillo
Armadillo
September 16, 2021 10:30 pm

I’m left wondering what happened to dagger and crown girl?

She didn’t sell a T-Shirt because it was a crap design. No one liked it (except for you). She probably realises this and moved onto better things. Pottery beer mugs with tits or something.

I wouldn’t lose any sleep over it.

Bar Beach Swimmer
September 16, 2021 10:31 pm

The Hunt for Red October:

We’re just at the part where Sam Neill says to Sean Connery, “In America I would like to live in Montana…marry a girl there, raise rabbits, which she’ll cook for me and I’ll have a pick-up truck or maybe a recreational vehicle – do you think they’ll let me live there?”

Connery answers “I expect they’ll let you live wherever you want.”

Neill responds “in that case, I’ll drive throughout the states – without papers – and spend time in Arizona in the winter.”

The film was made in 1990.

How far has Australia come; we now need papers to cross state borders and may not go where we want, when we want.

As Bern says:
Never forget what they’ve done to us.

HD
HD
September 16, 2021 10:34 pm
HD
HD
September 16, 2021 10:37 pm

Damned links, second aforementioned:

HD
HD
September 16, 2021 10:38 pm
Armadillo
Armadillo
September 16, 2021 10:40 pm

on the other hand … the sneaky fascists have been making debt very cheap lately

BOOM! Someone finally said it.

Rorschach
Rorschach
September 16, 2021 10:41 pm

But there is one guiding principle here.
Buy something commercial off the shelf for three reasons. Cost, schedule and reliable proven technology.

On of the issues (I understand) with SSNs is that they are a blue / deep water boat. Designed to play tag under the Arctic and in the North Atlantic. Australia’s needs were always different. The smaller, diesel electric is more suited for shallow water operations:

To operate a submarine at less than 2 knots only meters above an irregular seabed, or to bottom for a prolonged period undetected on the seabed in littoral waters, can only be achieved by a modern, non-nuclear-powered submarine. Notwithstanding the advances made in anechoic tiling and the benefits of ambient noise prevalent in shallow waters, the acoustic signature of the nuclear reactor and its associated appurtenances will rarely be crowded out. The infrared signature of a nuclear submarine is detectable at nearly all sea states as well as on the surface in the thermal structure of wave patterns.

https://www.navyhistory.org.au/nuclear-submarines-not-an-option-for-australia/2/

The fact that we are looking a blue water craft suggests that we will be projecting power, rather than defending the coast. And I would bet that “our” Virginias playground Indian mostly!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 16, 2021 10:41 pm

Neill responds “in that case, I’ll drive throughout the states – without papers – and spend time in Arizona in the winter.”

Years ago, in Western Australia, South China Airways, opened a flying school, near the town of Merredin. On their first weekend’s leave, one of the students went into the local police station, and asked for police permission to go to Perth for the weekend.

“Mate, in this country, you don’t need police permission to go anywhere. Have a good weekend!”

srr
srr
September 16, 2021 10:42 pm

Loving this …

The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #221
Published 38 minutes ago

https://www.lotuseaters.com/the-podcast-of-the-lotus-eaters-221-16-09-21

Carl and Callum discuss the bizarre events of Nicki Minaj’s revolt against the woke regime, the surprisingly based cabinet reshuffle and how women are out on patrol…against women.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 16, 2021 10:44 pm

I’ve had a second AZ jab day today. Read all morning in bed, slept all afternoon.

Feeling great now.

And the sub news. It has deeply upset all the right people. Excellent.

Indolent
Indolent
September 16, 2021 10:44 pm

That video was on Bitchute from last night

Thank you for the link. Bosi speaks for 5 minutes without actually saying anything. He mentions rumours and malfeasance in high places, which we are all well aware of and hints at worse to come which, unfortunately, is also not unexpected.

JC
JC
September 16, 2021 10:46 pm

Always with the quotes .

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
September 16, 2021 10:46 pm

Pope Francis: Abortion ‘Is More Than a Problem, It Is Murder’

https://www.breitbart.com/faith/2021/09/15/pope-francis-abortion-is-more-than-a-problem-it-is-murder/

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 16, 2021 10:49 pm

Scrolling through takes longer nowadays.
All those ticks ya gotta give when you agree with something.

I’m starting to think I should ration mine a bit simply for ease of scrolling.
But they are addictive. Look, see how many others also liked this comment.
And this one. And this one. Oh, and here’s another one, so well put, etc.

Actually, I really like them. Shows there is a real audience out there.
Must be at least fifty of us. 🙂

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 16, 2021 10:49 pm

Bosi speaks for 5 minutes without actually saying anything.

Did he have his creepy monobrow junior hanger-on in tow?

John H.
John H.
September 16, 2021 10:51 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alphasays:
September 16, 2021 at 9:11 pm
Trumble went Frog because the Jap conventional sub was Abbott’s preferred option.

Didn’t the Japanese submarines lack the range and the weapons load for Australian requirements?

I have a recollection that there were issues with the Japanese subs that made them unsuitable. Excellent subs that will have sink many Chinese ships.

I don’t get the fuss about the new sub deal for Aus. It will be 20 years before the first one is delivered and by the time we have enough for combat other initiatives will have dealt with the China issue. It’s good to have the nuke subs into the future but I can’t see the relevance in the short or medium term in relation to China.

HD
HD
September 16, 2021 10:54 pm

I took it to be an expansion of the allegations made by Clive in his’ recent press conference.

Is synchonistic the correct term rather than repetition to describe the relatively simultaneous, within the last couple of days, concerned references from pod casters across the globe of “quarantine camps” in their respective countries(?)

Armadillo
Armadillo
September 16, 2021 10:58 pm

On of the issues (I understand) with SSNs is that they are a blue / deep water boat. Designed to play tag under the Arctic and in the North Atlantic. Australia’s needs were always different. The smaller, diesel electric is more suited for shallow water operations:

Thank God Afghanistan is landlocked. It’s enough the Yanks handed over all their land and air fighting technology to the Taliban (to be sold to Iran, Russia, China and the rest).

Joe probably needs to move his entire US fleet south before the Taliban sneakily ask him to hand it over, which he probably will.

MatrixTransform
September 16, 2021 11:01 pm

BOOM! Someone finally said it.

whatever you do br’er fox … don’t throw me in in that there briar patch

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
September 16, 2021 11:04 pm

Evergrande Is Collapsing – Will Not Make Its Massive Debt Payments – 5 Times Bigger than Lehman Brothers

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/09/evergrande-collapsing-will-not-make-massive-debt-payments-5-times-bigger-lehman-brothers/

Indolent
Indolent
September 16, 2021 11:08 pm

HD, that funeral director link you provided is absolutely essential viewing. Murder most foul.

Armadillo
Armadillo
September 16, 2021 11:18 pm

Cash is always king.

It’s why you see Prime Ministers fleeing in helicopters with suitcases full of it. That country retreat in the mountains of Afghanistan is nice, but it won’t pay the barstaff.

Armadillo
Armadillo
September 16, 2021 11:22 pm

It costs US$265,000.

LOL.

Indolent
Indolent
September 16, 2021 11:32 pm

After listening to that funeral director I suspect I know what Bosi was hinting at. Evil just doesn’t cover it.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
September 16, 2021 11:35 pm

Does anyone know which countries ‘gear’ is going into building traitor Turnbullshitters Snowy Mountain 2.0?

MatrixTransform
September 16, 2021 11:37 pm

Cash is always king.

which, is why the whole shit-show falls to bits when everybody in hi-vis says fuck you

watch towers of unfinished bullshit collapse

hear lamentations of their bankers

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
September 16, 2021 11:37 pm

@ Rohrschach

The fact that we are looking a blue water craft suggests that we will be projecting power, rather than defending the coast. And I would bet that “our” Virginias playground Indian mostly!

For all your source’s blat about littoral waters and the unsuitability of nuclear boats in such places, worldwide navies have been sneaking theirs into and out of exactly such places. For much of the last 50 years.

DE boats are very capable coastal ambush raiders in such waters, but certain European nations (like the Danes, Swedes, Germans and French) chose to spend generations specialising in such tactics and designs so as to contribute to fighting the Soviet Navy in all the waters close to home.

Only the UK and US seriously put into NATO blue-water ops.

Australia’s problem (and experience, gained from US, Dutch and UK submarine ops in WW2), is that we have all of it in our areas of interest.

We have big littoral areas around our coast and to our north, and huge expanses of deep water everywhere else.

Anything we use must be fast and sneaky. And the situation is now such that a DE boat cannot do the job effectively anymore

Regarding noise, since the US and Soviet and UK navies predominantly trained to hunt each others’ nuke boats, a DE with its different sound profile makes it harder to detect. They are no less and no more noisy. And the addition of electric ‘creep’ motors in latter-day Soviet SSN designs like the Victor II and Akula made them even bigger threats in NATO’s thinking.

MatrixTransform
September 16, 2021 11:39 pm
Rex Anger
Rex Anger
September 16, 2021 11:39 pm

watch towers of unfinished bullshit collapse

hear lamentations of their bankers

THIS truly is what is best in life…

#KROOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!1!

HD
HD
September 16, 2021 11:58 pm

Indolentsays:
September 16, 2021 at 11:32 pm

The other interesting point that the Undertaker made was that he and his coworkers frequently handled the bodies of “Covid” people. Sometimes “still warm” when collecting them. At times nightly. Neither he nor others he knows of in his industry wore any other PPE than gloves and an apron ( and a mask with Vicks in it if bodies were rotten). Neither he or anyone else in his profession ever got sick or died during the entire “pandemic”.

Preparing bodies for burial would have to be at least as messy as orthopaedic surgery. You’d think you would end up with blood and guts on your face here and there.

Armadillo
Armadillo
September 16, 2021 11:59 pm

Murder most foul.

Indolent. The funeral director is a self promoter. He’s bandying statistics about and making shit up. Don’t go into business with him. He reeks of it.

There are plenty of reasons to get on the “non-vaccination” bandwagon, but he’s not one of them. There is something really fishy about people like him.

Call it a hunch.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
September 17, 2021 12:00 am

MatrixTransform says:
September 16, 2021 at 11:39 pm

poor Dan

he is a model for all those ‘signers’.

MatrixTransform
September 17, 2021 12:04 am

money is often made in the margins

be sure to let your local cafe owner know that if the pimp a VX-mandate that you won’t be able to come back

…you know … just in case they’re dumb enough to have missed how it all works

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
September 17, 2021 12:09 am

be sure to let your local cafe owner know that if the pimp a VX-mandate that you won’t be able to come back

but tell them with “dan of the dead sign”.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
September 17, 2021 12:13 am

just in case they’re dumb enough to have missed how it all works

more proof that coastal capital cities need to be bulldozed into the sea.

too many fuken dumb people live there.

vote Green!

Armadillo
Armadillo
September 17, 2021 12:44 am

money is often made in the margins

Or simply lost if you work in Government. It’s a bigger pot (budget). Merely spillage from the swill. Not their money.

The crash is coming. It’s not so much the size of the public service, but rather that they are regulating the private sector to be the “mirror image” of the public service. Pay rates, allowances, safety, equality, work rights….the list goes on…

Public servants want us to have the same “safe workplace” that they have. It’s a noble idea in their minds. They think it’s fair and just. And they will regulate the fuck out of anyone who thinks otherwise.

The error of their ways will soon become apparent when the money runs out, and the homeless are using Pelosis corpse as a footstool to reach the top shelf of her ice cream freezer.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
September 17, 2021 12:50 am

Armadillo says:
September 17, 2021 at 12:44 am

money is often made in the margins

Or simply lost if you work in Government. It’s a bigger pot (budget). Merely spillage from the swill. Not their money.

The only way to small government is zero tax.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
September 17, 2021 12:52 am

There will be no taxation under a government I lead.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
September 17, 2021 12:55 am

And why should there be any taxation??

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
September 17, 2021 12:57 am

why should there be any taxation, at all, on anything????

Armadillo
Armadillo
September 17, 2021 1:01 am

I’m not an economists shoelace, nor do I pretend to be. Having said that, I have enjoyed learning all the stuff the economists here talk about. It’s another world to me.

Dad wasn’t an economist, he was a humble butcher. His only advice was to honour your debts, and that your reputation is the most valuable thing you have.

Bad advice in hindsight, but time will tell.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
September 17, 2021 1:03 am

All taxation seems to do is support and encourage perverts and spivs… male and female.

Marx/Lenin said, give me progressive taxation and I control you!

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
September 17, 2021 1:09 am

Armadillo says:
September 17, 2021 at 1:01 am

same here.

but the way to stop the charlatans and spivs is to stop giving them our hard earned money.

no more tax.

tell the xunts…you are done.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
September 17, 2021 1:29 am

We have allowed the 6 states too much power which was never intended.

FlyingPigs
FlyingPigs
September 17, 2021 1:33 am

The population of an Australian “State” should not exceed the entire population of Australia as at the time of Federation.

Old bloke
Old bloke
September 17, 2021 1:46 am

rickw says:
September 16, 2021 at 9:01 pm

What happens if Vikpol murders protesters tomorrow?

They would be classified as Covid deaths.

Tom
Tom
September 17, 2021 4:00 am
Tom
Tom
September 17, 2021 4:01 am
struth
struth
September 17, 2021 4:02 am

Tom
Tom
September 17, 2021 4:02 am
Tom
Tom
September 17, 2021 4:03 am
Tom
Tom
September 17, 2021 4:04 am
Tom
Tom
September 17, 2021 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
September 17, 2021 4:06 am
Tom
Tom
September 17, 2021 4:07 am
Tom
Tom
September 17, 2021 4:08 am
Tom
Tom
September 17, 2021 4:10 am
Tom
Tom
September 17, 2021 4:11 am
Tom
Tom
September 17, 2021 4:12 am
feelthebern
feelthebern
September 17, 2021 4:42 am

Norm Macdonald Live w/ Super Dave Osborne | Season 1 Episode 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw3gJoM9yD4

One of the best comedic hours in history.
Marty Funkhouser was such loss from the Curb ensemble.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 17, 2021 5:15 am

Looks like the UK not proceeding with vaccine passports has been short lived.
They are repurposing the NHS app for the same outcome.
Not a week has passed.
Big tech & big pharma just move so fast.

will
will
September 17, 2021 5:56 am
srr
srr
September 17, 2021 6:08 am

mh says:
September 16, 2021 at 10:04 pm
The Delta strain is proving to be a champion marketer for vaccine acceptance, with hesitancy plummeting in Victoria as Covid-19 infections rise in the current outbreak.
By TOM DUSEVIC
***
No it isn’t you total deadshit.
It’s the threat of people losing their jobs and income.

calli
calli
September 17, 2021 6:15 am

Steve Kelly – Evita! 😀
Leak excellent as usual. Thanks Tom.

rosie
rosie
September 17, 2021 6:20 am

Isn’t the NHS covid app just for international travel, nothing to do with internal use to go to nightclubs etc? (Other than in Scotland who are using them for internal passports)

plans for covid passports in England scrapped

rosie
rosie
September 17, 2021 6:22 am

People from the UK who are fully vaxxed travelling to ‘green zones’ haven’t been required to quarantine at all, since at least 17 May yet in Australia we are building government facilities.

calli
calli
September 17, 2021 6:27 am

The Times (paywalled) had this up with a date stamp of 21 hours ago.

Vaccine passports may be required in pubs if the spread of Covid-19 worsens seriously, the health secretary suggested yesterday.

Although the government’s winter plan talks about the passports only for large events, Sajid Javid said that he could not rule them out for pubs “if something happens”.

I couldn’t get into the story in its entirety.

rosie
rosie
September 17, 2021 6:40 am

Can you imagine a backbench backlash in the Victorian state government?
No, the faceless Labor ‘backbench’ are whipped curs who have been utterly silent in Victoria’s state of emergency abandoned democracy just appearing as required to endorse the latest soe extension then back to working from home and accepting generous payrises.

same story at the mirror calli

rosie
rosie
September 17, 2021 6:41 am

‘Tries to imagine a nightclub with more than 500 people inside’

duncanm
duncanm
September 17, 2021 6:41 am

Thanks Tom.

Ramirez for me this morning

calli
calli
September 17, 2021 6:47 am

Rosie, those ceiling numbers can be revised down at the drop of a hat, just like the “refused to rule out” is code for “we’re going to do it, but not just yet”.

All it will take is an increase in case numbers and vision of tired NHS nurses and it’s on. And it will be acceptable because the NHS is the new deity for Brits to worship and protect.

I didn’t watch all those “Yes Minister” episodes for nothing! 🙂

rosie
rosie
September 17, 2021 6:51 am

Never forget the upper house gang of three
Medical
Patton
Rattan
And the pestiferous Labor backbench.
without state of emergency powers dan will be diddling

rosie
rosie
September 17, 2021 6:53 am

The point is though calli there was a backbench revolt and democracy still exists in Britain.
After all they were going to do it regardless a week ago.
Their own party arced up.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 17, 2021 6:55 am

500 people in a nightclub is almost everyday (or night) stuff, rosie. The Shout, from way back in 2008:

The City of Melbourne has taken action to drastically reduce the number of patrons allowed into the CQ Bar complex, a giant nightclub located in Queen Street in the city’s CBD.

The city has obtained a temporary measure to cap the number of patrons allowed to visit the complex from 7186 to 2150, Melbourne’s Herald Sun reported.

The order follows a city inspection that found exits, toilet facilities and public areas were insufficient to accommodate 7000 people. The order will come into effect in a fortnight unless successfully challenged by the licensee in court.

But CQ Bar owner, Harry Chua, said he preferred a smaller license as the maximum number of patrons was never reached.

“I keep telling everyone I’m happy to reduce the figures to a third or thereabouts,” Chua told the Herald Sun. We normally only have 1000 to 1300 at the nightclub on Friday and Saturday nights at any one time.”

Anything that’s not a third-floor-entrance-via-plain-door-in-an-alley will have a capacity of several hundred. The larger ‘barn’ style clubs from the 80s on entrenched the concept of 500+ people in clubs.

Cassie of Sydney
September 17, 2021 6:55 am

“Their own party arced up.”

Quite so…there are backbenchers in the UK with spine. I don’t see any here in the federal Coalition …or here in NSW.

rosie
rosie
September 17, 2021 6:55 am

Another major point of difference between the UK and here
uk daily covid admissions

rosie
rosie
September 17, 2021 6:57 am
rosie
rosie
September 17, 2021 7:02 am

And despite all the hair on fire about the waning effectiveness of pzifer in israel, have they reimposed harsh lockdowns?

israel soon allowing some tour groups to visit

rosie
rosie
September 17, 2021 7:09 am

I want the liberal party to go to victorian state elections with a mandate to abolish public health state of emergency powers.
The only party that will get my vote will be the one that makes that commitment.

calli
calli
September 17, 2021 7:13 am

I had to smile at the Bloomberg article “there’s no political pressure here”. If you have to say it…

A major caveat to the analysis is that it is based on short-term follow-up. Israel’s booster campaign started July 30, and the study took place through Aug. 31. Infection rates were calculated 12 days after boosters were administered to give them time to take effect.

Well, yes. I’d be interested in the date of the original inoculation and the time gap to the booster. I presume the booster is for “delta” and the original is for “alpha”? It would be interesting to track those gaps as the virus cycles through subsequent mutations. Will that gap get shorter and shorter?

I guess that’s the billion dollar question.

rosie
rosie
September 17, 2021 7:18 am

I read that article as querying whether a booster was even necessary calli.
I don’t even know if the issue is the mutation but how much the ‘boost’ the vaccine gives to your immune system wanes over time.
Which is also true for the flu vaccine.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 17, 2021 7:18 am

Posted again with the bolding so the dull one understands.

Looks like the UK not proceeding with vaccine passports has been short lived.
They are repurposing the NHS app for the same outcome.

Don’t worry Rosie, you just wait for it to be reported in week so you can post a link to it.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 17, 2021 7:19 am

Isn’t the NHS covid app just for international travel, nothing to do with internal use

Derrrrrrrr……..

Cassie of Sydney
September 17, 2021 7:23 am

“They are repurposing the NHS app for the same outcome.”

Right…..got you.

P
P
September 17, 2021 7:24 am

Monday, September 13, 2021
Boris Johnson Abandons Vax Pass Proposals in Britain
Written by Press Release
(Alex Berenson) Keep hope alive.

The Sunday Times has just reported that Boris Johnson is giving up on the idea of vaccine passports or making businesses check vaccine status.

Again, this is not because Britain – where 80% of people over 16 are fully vaccinated – has controlled Covid. The opposite, in fact.

Other data show that only about 25% of deaths in Britain are among the unvaccinated – and that vaccinated people over 40 are actually MORE likely to get Covid than the unvaccinated.

The truth always wins. Now that one big country has made a long overdue concession to reality, will the rest follow?

Not if Uncle Joe can help it…

Published in Headline News Around the World

1 Comment –
On the other hand Aussie big government tyrants are still racing full steam ahead with their satanic plans, and now openly threatening businesses that would dare to serve unvaxxed clients.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 17, 2021 7:25 am

Every day this week the WSJ has published parts of an in depth report into facebook.
More than enough to open a RICO investigation.
New FTC commissioner Lina Khan told the retards at her confirmation hearings that her lifetime of being a big tech attorney would not stop her reigning big tech.
Crickets from her this week on the WSJ reporting.

rosie
rosie
September 17, 2021 7:25 am

Where is the evidence to support your claim ftb?
Looks like both calli and I looked, and couldn’t find anything being reported that was clear.
In any case are you suggesting that the Tory backbench are too dull to see that a repurposed nhs app is being used to replace the vaccine passport they backlashed about?

calli
calli
September 17, 2021 7:27 am

The point is that although Johnson “abandoned” the plan a few days ago, his own health minister “wouldn’t rule out” passports. Naturally, it was for a specific ceiling number and for specific events. He said this yesterday.

Always beware of mission creep. And weasel words. And Sir Humphreys.

calli
calli
September 17, 2021 7:29 am

Looks like both calli and I looked, and couldn’t find anything being reported that was clear.

You took it to mean one thing, I detected something else.

That’s because I’m old and wicked and suspicious.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 17, 2021 7:32 am

That’s because I’m old and wicked and suspicious.

calli, I find it very difficult to believe that you are suspicious.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 17, 2021 7:35 am

Where is the evidence to support your claim ftb?

Are you aware of the tech company that worked on the medicare app in Australia regarding the COVID vaccination ecosystem is working to do the same for the NHS app?
Sure not a vaccine passport.

You are just so dull, rosie.

What did you say, vaccines are the only way for politicians to save face & you’re fine with that?
How long before you’re saying the same about vaccine passports?

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 17, 2021 7:35 am

That’s because I’m old and wicked and suspicious.

calli is sharp.
Rosie is just so dull.

calli
calli
September 17, 2021 7:37 am

Trust no one! Especially the media. And politicians.

Believe nothing of what you hear and half of what you see.

I re-learned that the day before yesterday, much to my shame and embarrassment, all documented here.

Never mind, that was then. And today is a fresh page.

rosie
rosie
September 17, 2021 7:37 am

I don’t know what point you think you are making. It doesn’t matter if the nhs app has the capacity to be used internally if the government has made a public commitment not to introduce a vaccine passport which was going to be what ? A completely different app? they have to come back out and publically state that they are requiring people to show their ‘passport’.
It seems like you are claiming the UK government will have a vaccine passport without bothering to tell anyone.
And didn’t a lot of people start deleting the nhs app.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 17, 2021 7:39 am

Bob Hawke, ok, the Australia card is dead.
Also Bob Hawke, let me tell you about the TFN.

Boris, ok, the Vaccine passport is dead.
Also Boris, let me tell you about the new improved NHS app.
Don’t you know how it will protect the NHS & you want to protect the NHS don’t you, DON’T YOU.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 17, 2021 7:40 am

they have to come back out and publically state that they are requiring people to show their ‘passport’.

Yes, just like everything else they’ve publicly stated to make sure everyone was fine with over the past 18 months.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 17, 2021 7:41 am

And didn’t a lot of people start deleting the nhs app.

Derrrrrr……

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
September 17, 2021 7:42 am

Thanks for the ‘toons Tom.
Leak draws horses beautifully.
And Warren extracts the micturition out of Dementia Joe.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
September 17, 2021 7:45 am

And cartoonists in the USA continue to lambast that airhead what’s her name with two dads.
Is she related to the ranga’s missus?

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 17, 2021 7:45 am

Whoa!
A positive case in the old Vic gold town of St.Arnaud.
The most exciting event since the refurbishment and opening of the historic railway turntable.
Coronavirus segway to trains in one post.
I think my work is done.

Eyrie
Eyrie
September 17, 2021 7:47 am

calli, AFAIK, the boosters are just the original given again.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 17, 2021 7:47 am

Lawyer Indicted in John Durham’s Russia Investigation

A grand jury has indicted a cybersecurity lawyer in connection with special counsel John Durham’s investigation into the origins of the FBI’s Russia probe, on charges that he lied to investigators during the 2016 presidential campaign.

DNC related lawyer indicted.
The little fish who’ll take the fall.

rosie
rosie
September 17, 2021 7:48 am

In the context of Victoria having a zero covid policy and a never ending cycle of lockdowns I welcomed them finding anything that allowed them to stumble out of the mess of their own making.
Because it was pretty obvious that dan Andrews could never abandon zero covid because that would be an admission that everything he had done to us for the last eighteen months was an exercise in futility.
I don’t want to have to wait for the uncertainty of an election for this lockdown crap to end.
Obviously no-one castigating me for being pragmatic wants this all go to away.
They’d rather just grizzle and moan with no end in sight.
Oh and point at me as being dull/ wicked/evil/responsible for saying something they didn’t like on this hole in the corner blog.

Gab
Gab
September 17, 2021 7:54 am

Oh dear.

calli
calli
September 17, 2021 7:57 am

boosters are just the original given again.

In that case, all comparisons to an annual flu shot are baseless. The point of the flu shot is to protect against mutations.

Why even bother identifying Covid mutations when there’s no intention to formulate specific vaccines?

Eyrie
Eyrie
September 17, 2021 7:57 am

Because it was pretty obvious that dan Andrews could never abandon zero covid because that would be an admission that everything he had done to us for the last eighteen months was an exercise in futility.

Yes, the whole thing was an exercise in futility all over Australia. The vaccines and the vaccine targets are just devices to get governments off the hook for totally screwing this country and its people. “Look , we’ve done all we can! Now we’ll open up just enough to let you bastards get back to work so you can pay taxes to keep us in the luxury we are accustomed to. Don’t expect to be free, though”.

No medical benefits to the vax, just fairly high probability of medical harm.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 17, 2021 8:00 am

Nanny Neil Mitchell on 3AW yesterday taking callers about the extra effort involved with ‘working from home’.
Neil tops it off by saying he now has to go through lots of emails and texts before he went to bed.
We were in the shearing shed at the time and the shearers were on a smoko break, checking their phones.
They call that a rest.

rosie
rosie
September 17, 2021 8:00 am

There i was thinking you were talking about people having to manually scan in everywhere they go in an overt vaccine passport regime when really you were talking about the government doing stuff behind people’s backs, as long as they are carrying a phone and presumably a particular downloaded app.
Sorry for not realising you have secret knowledge not available to others.

Eyrie
Eyrie
September 17, 2021 8:00 am

Why even bother identifying Covid mutations when there’s no intention to formulate specific vaccines?

That may come later but for now the booster may provide some temporary fleeting “protection”. What is unknown is if the risk of harm is linear with number of shots or exponential. Hope it isn’t the latter.
Denninger’s take this morning:
https://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=243599

Tom
Tom
September 17, 2021 8:02 am
Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
September 17, 2021 8:03 am

Why even bother identifying Covid mutations
You spelt “inventing” wrong

rosie
rosie
September 17, 2021 8:03 am

It’s not as if Australia is the only country ending lockdowns, more or less after starting vaccination programs.
Ours was just much much stupider because no one actually had covid.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 17, 2021 8:04 am

Sorry for not realising you have secret knowledge not available to others.

Rosie, you should google this guy called Edward Snowden.
Not sure if you have heard of him.
Has some waayyyyyy out there ideas on governments collecting data.
Some people might call him kooky.

calli
calli
September 17, 2021 8:05 am

Lol, Tom. They’re good, aren’t they?

Be careful Christian comics…your satire might just be prophecy. 😀

It's Remarkable
It’s Remarkable
September 17, 2021 8:07 am

Hmmm, it would seem Henry Ergas in today’s Australian is for vaccine passports, using a legal tort-based approach.

The comments are running strongly against.

I don’t know how to post a link other than copy and paste and it will be paywalled (of course), but am reluctant to copy and paste the whole article. But for those who can get to it:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/even-true-libertarians-can-support-vax-passports/news-story/9eef810449dfe0833beed6b55f0d079f

Indolent
Indolent
September 17, 2021 8:09 am

Call it a hunch.

Did you watch it to the end? He wanted to make sure everyone knew who and what he was. He was willing to put himself out their to make sure it was taken seriously.

My hunch is that, right or wrong, he is 100% sincere.

These are the people at the coalface. They can see what is happening behind the media hype.

And can you explain the massive camps they’re building there – and here? With my East European background, it’s too much like deja vu.

rosie
rosie
September 17, 2021 8:12 am

It seems fbt that you work in an industry that deals with this stuff.
I don’t and I’m sure lots of other people here don’t either.
Why not be a little more generous in providing information as to why you think x or y?
You made a comment that implied a backflip of a backflip, we went looking for more information and couldn’t find it.
Forgive me if I don’t take statements made here or anywhere else really, as gospel.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
September 17, 2021 8:12 am

I see that the bitter clock collector is whining about the subs.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 17, 2021 8:13 am

Goodness, iron ore at $US110/t.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 17, 2021 8:14 am

Has anyone seen media of Lord Waffleworth on submarines? Once the plug is pulled on Snowy 2.0 (if debt ever begins to matter again) he will be remembered for poofta weddings and hopeless light bulbs. Something I guess.

jupes
jupes
September 17, 2021 8:14 am

The truth always wins.

No.

This is the 21st century.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 17, 2021 8:15 am

Goodness, iron ore at $US110/t.

Cancel the flashing rotating codpiece.

jupes
jupes
September 17, 2021 8:16 am

New iPhone 13 Will Require Vaccination To Unlock Screen

LOL. No seriously. LOL.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
September 17, 2021 8:18 am

Thank you Tom. I might wait for the iPhone 14.

Thank you Will.

Indolent
Indolent
September 17, 2021 8:18 am

I want the liberal party to go to victorian state elections with a mandate to abolish public health state of emergency powers.
The only party that will get my vote will be the one that makes that commitment.

Then you will vote UAP or One Nation. Why would the Liberals do in Victoria what they won’t do in N.S.W. where they are already in power and could do it today? Who would believe them anyway?

Dot
Dot
September 17, 2021 8:19 am

What is the cost of a W-88?

Let’s hope Slow Mo doesn’t turn this good defence decision into a French party of degeneracy.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 17, 2021 8:21 am

Dan Andrews says you’ll get test results back the next day.
I’ve checked out the local health authority website for the St.Arnaud Covid case, via the Bendigo Advertiser web story.
Person presents at the hospital on Tuesday evening.
Locals get a warning of the positive case late Thursday afternoon.
The contract tracing is done they say on rural ABC news this morning and will be announced later on today.
Glacial.

Indolent
Indolent
September 17, 2021 8:25 am

New iPhone 13 Will Require Vaccination To Unlock Screen

I’ve never bought an Apple product in my life and now likely never will. I do have an Ipad but it was a gift. That’s it.

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