3,116 thoughts on “Open Thread- Mon 11 Oct 2021”

  1. incoherent ramblersays:
    October 13, 2021 at 11:20 am
    Why is Chyna doing all the war preparations?
    Shirley, it would be easier and cheaper to just buy the countries that you want to takeover.

    That’s why the Chicoms have no plans to invade Africa.


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  2. The risk of spontaneous abortion should be determined on the basis of the group of participants who received the vaccination before week 20 and were followed through week 20 or had an earlier pregnancy loss.

    Yes, as I said, that is what they said. And we find now that group of participants were in another now indeterminate sub-cohort of the major original sample of those vaxxed prior to less than 20 weeks gestation; So 827-700=127 is irrelevant. Others took that number and ran with it and in the original two column data sheet I saw they were conflating the two columns to try and make sense of this number, which is one of which no sense whatsoever could be made.

    Yes, the cohort of 827 ‘completed’ pregnancies was poorly described in terms of spontaneous abortion. We do not know how many of the early trimester vaxxed were in it. Probably not many. As I’ve said from the start, promulgating the figure of 82% spontaneous abortions in a group of vaxxed women in gestation <20 weeks was promulgating something quite implausible which clearly was not happening. Obviously there was an error somewhere and errors feed up errors. The error was in the confounding 104 spontaneous abortions figure.

    I have unravelled this can of worms for you and you should be satisfied. I am.

    Now fuck off and stop wasting my valuable time.


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  3. Take-Off Time For Solidarity:

    Many passengers stranded at Southwest gates and forced to sleep on airport floors tweeted in anger against the airline—and few seemed to be buying the weather excuse.

    “Why lie about the issues of canceled flights?” one passenger quoted by the Daily Mail tweeted. “It’s not due to weather and [air-traffic-control] issues! People are not getting vaccinated so your employees are walking off the job!! Thankfully my husband and I got another flight to our destination.” Another wrote: “Strange how the [air-traffic-control] issues and weather are still only affecting your airline at [Orlando International Airport]. Must be some crazy storms if they’re only targeting your planes.”

    The Southwest Airlines Pilots Association echoed the firm’s denials that vaccines and walkouts caused the weekend crisis. But even stipulating that weather was to blame, it’s notable that the union is suing the airline to stop the airline’s vax mandate on the grounds that the issue needs to be negotiated over, rather than merely handed down by federal and company diktat. The union has threatened disruptions if the mandate goes ahead and reluctant pilots are sacked en masse.

    Similar rumblings have shaken Washington State Ferries, Amtrak (a pair of trains canceled over “unforeseen staffing issues” over the weekend), as well as hospitals, police and emergency-services departments and schools. Something is going on with America’s essential-worker class, though I’m more reluctant than others to assume that all of these incidents trace back to an anti-mandate rebellion.

    RTWT


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  4. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
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    Yes, it makes me just want to hunker down and hide away for years, doing my own thing.
    These fools are ruining the last good years of life for many of us older generations

    ..
    Wrong way to think of it.
    Think of it as giving the last years of your life MEANING as for once we have some very real evil to stand up against.


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  5. You are a good woman, Lizzie.
    However, you are also weak.
    Hairy should have stopped you taking the she- jab.
    However you have done so, and although I understand why you have taken the jab, as you were told, and as has transpired, you are in a worse situation because of it.
    Which you continue to attempt to justify.
    Notafan just abuses people and calls names as she cannot for a minute justify her actions, and as Two stix so eloquently pointed out, has decided what is done is done, and fallen to the dark side, trying to tell people taking the jab is no big deal, while trying to kid herself her it wasn’t and is safe.
    Disgusting.
    An untested, new genetic concoction that has already killed thousands, and it’s injuries causing suffering on a scale unprecedented, with many a credible doctor saying that those that have taken it will end up dead within four years, and those that don’t want that message getting out just closing that message down.
    So who do you trust?
    I did not know Calli had submitted, and am sorry for her, and it won’t make her life any easier in the long run.
    To suffer now as a nation is a lot better than the suffering we will all go through due to submission to tyranny.
    Covid is a like a yearly flu at worst.
    Losing your job now………………………………….do you think taking the vaccine to keep your job will allow you to keep your job?
    Did you think taking the two jabs would give you back your freedoms with the same level of naive, gullible stupidity?
    How is that working out for you?
    How many people are you jabbed “freedom experiencing Sydneysiders” allowed in your home again?
    Are you allowed to stand and drink alcohol?

    Can you not see this basic fact…….a jab is a vote for a vaccine passport.
    The passport is a social credit scheme.
    It won’t stop with two or three or four booster shots…they are going to keep injecting you until you are dead.
    One way or the other.
    Your white western capitalist presence on this earth can no longer be tolerated.
    Once the cash is gone your credit system card will be set on carbon credits.
    (not me saying this, it’s Klaus telling us).
    No meat for you this month, it’s fried insects for you.
    Etc.
    When you are finally pushed to breaking point and rebel, which they are pushing you to do, you’ll get a free holiday in the concentration camps they were building from the very second this coup d etat started, even though they apparently knew nothing about covid, but magically knew it would still be a disease requiring permanent state of emergency powers, at least two years later, as concentration camps would take two years to build.

    You don’t get a choice.
    You either stand and sacrifice, and fight, and maybe get your life back, or you die a pitiful submissive failure, trying to kid yourself that you submitted for your job, or for your dog, or your need to see people overseas, blah blah…..while none of that will be achieved by taking the jab and in so doing voting in tyranny.
    You’ll be eating your dog Venezuelan style, and your job will only get you nothing no one else gets on the basic living wage everyone will be getting.
    Talk about the slow boiling frogs of denialism.

    The very best thing you can do for yourself and your future is lose your job ans sue the bastards that sacked you.
    See, and here is the reality.
    You are going to lose your job by submitting to tyranny anyway.
    The jab is not a choice, and will not save you from anything.
    In the long run , if the jab itself doesn’t kill you, the system it will set up will totally destroy you and your countrymen.
    Notafan calls talking about this the same old boring subjects……
    You can either be as self deluded as that, or face the reality.


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  6. Oh give it break rosie.
    You’re all over your failed shop –

    rosie says:
    October 13, 2021 at 6:25 am

    And notice how ussr’s excuse was ‘very tired’ at 8 pm last night but still managed to keep commenting throughout the night.
    Valiant effort.

    First you lot decide I don’t sleep because I’m “monitoring” you all, then you decide I can’t possibly be very tired when I haven’t had more than a few hours sleep in days, while also obviously being out, away from the cat, doing yet more tiring, real world things.

    I and anyone else who reads whole threads, do notice how there are a regular number of you who care diddly squat for the content of what some post.

    You do, however, care way too much about being seen to agree it’s a grand thing to smear some individuals.
    Individuals who actually point out how professional propagandists manipulate perceptions, conspire & collude to sell the false narratives.
    False narratives constructed to lead the world into making heroes of Covid Stasi Karen’s For Unpersoning Real People From The Net & Everywhere Else In The Real World.


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  7. How many times was Trump asked to disavow the KKK?
    How many times was enough?

    That’s right.

    Repeating the same lies cos ya think they’re winners, only shows what losers you, JC et al are –

    Cassie of Sydneysays:
    October 13, 2021 at 6:43 am

    “Also, Bird’s most diabolical conspiracy theories are about the Jews. Where are you on that?”

    I note your question from last night remained unanswered JC. Perhaps she was too tired.



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  8. today, the difference between looney-tune conspiracy theories and reality is approximately two years.

    That’s what Adam said in an email early on to me re my concerns about leaving Bird on the dash-cat. He wanted the dash-cat to be a genuinely free site for all viewpoints He later emailed me that I was right in warning him of Bird’s modus operandi, but not until the damage had been really done.

    A line has to be drawn regarding the level of looney toons any site can tolerate and still remain live for most of the centre-right.


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  9. Clive Palmer loses high court challenge.

    The High Court has now made it legal for a state government to retrospectively pass laws that capriciously target an individual.
    This is really troubling.
    So apart from the 7 zip ruling in the Pell case, the High Court doesn’t really adhere to the law.
    ScoMo has appointed two of these jokers hasn’t he?
    Or is it more?


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  10. Why Is the GOP Refusing to Look Into Fauci

    This one was fun when I saw it this morning.

    Matt (Boarding Group C) ? @statomattic 8:51 AM · Oct 11, 2021
    I just finished the Fauci documentary on Disney+ so you don’t have to. Here is what was, for me, the defining image: Fauci at work in his home office, beneath a larger-than-lifesize oil painting portrait of himself.

    The man sure has an ego.


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  11. In this day and age, some people should not be talking about bird’s lunacy as much as his disgusting racism.
    He understands what is going on more than many here.
    Lunacy is in the eye of the beholder at this point.

    And haven’t we all been a little “tuned” to be more disgusted with racism than murder these days.
    Racism isn’t bad until negative action is taken in it’s name.
    Unless people are not allowed to discriminate anymore.
    I wish my teeny tiny white man’s 8 or so inches was a big black twelve.
    Does that make me a racist coz i wanna be Blak?!


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  12. Another Veritas drop on YouTube… Nothing earth shattering. Just a senior Clinical Researcher – who does work for Pfizer and the other pharmas – suggesting that he’s sceptical of how fast the data and vaccine approval came, and that he had to be vaxxed to continue with a normal life:

    “Cause the government’s going to f-ck you if you don’t get it”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UevFPD6AtgY

    But more condemnation … 3m all up.


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  13. The Southwest Airlines Pilots Association echoed the firm’s denials that vaccines and walkouts caused the weekend crisis.

    Pull the other one SW bugmen people.
    That flag ain’t there because of the weather.


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  14. “You wish to be a victim. So let it be written, so let it be done.”

    I’m no victim…although given your preference for Communism and Stalin, you’d love to make many of here “victims” because of our ideology……..what’s the estimated tally of victims of Stalin’s terror?

    At least twenty million


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  15. I will, when you stop posting your PRIVATE life details.

    Goodnes.. We all post private life details here to some extent, although nothing specifically identifying, often in the process of discourse upon major events of the day. Live with it. It’s how we come to know each other and to share experiential knowledge, which makes this blog rather special, quite different say to simply commenting on events of the day on the Australian: and I guess too this is how sometimes mistaken views of each other can emerge.


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  16. “A line has to be drawn regarding the level of looney toons any site can tolerate and still remain live for most of the centre-right.”

    Correct Lizzie.


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  17. “A Suggestionsays:
    October 13, 2021 at 11:56 am
    your preference for Communism and Stalin

    Got me there – idiot.”

    Only an idiot and someone totally lacking in any humanity supports mass murderers. But it’s nice of you to admit it – idiot.


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  18. The Ridd summary:

    Today, the High Court unanimously dismissed an appeal from a judgment of the Full Court of the Federal Court of Australia. The appeal concerned the scope of the intellectual freedom protected by a clause of an enterprise agreement of a university.

    Dr Ridd was employed by James Cook University for 27 years. From 2016, the University took various disciplinary actions against Dr Ridd for conduct that it concluded breached the University Code of Conduct and constituted misconduct and serious misconduct under the University’s Enterprise Agreement. Dr Ridd was issued with two censures (“the 2016 Censure” and “the Final Censure”) and, on 2 May 2018, his employment was terminated for serious misconduct under the Enterprise Agreement. Dr Ridd brought proceedings against the University alleging that its actions and the termination of his employment contravened the Enterprise Agreement and s 50 of the Fair Work Act 2009 (Cth) (“the Act”). Dr Ridd did not dispute that the conduct occurred and that it would be misconduct or serious misconduct. He submitted that all of his conduct was an exercise of the intellectual freedom protected by cl 14 of the Enterprise Agreement and could not be a serious breach of the Code of Conduct. The primary judge: concluded that 13 actions taken by the University were contrary to cl 14 of the Enterprise Agreement; made a declaration of 13 contraventions of s 50 of the Act; and ordered the payment of compensation and pecuniary penalties. A majority of the Full Court allowed an appeal and concluded that none of the actions of the University were contrary to the Enterprise Agreement.

    The High Court unanimously dismissed the appeal. The Court held that the intellectual freedom protected by cl 14 of the Enterprise Agreement was not a general freedom of speech. The exercise of intellectual freedom was subject to constraints contained in cl 14, including some adopted from the Code of Conduct. These constraints upon exercise included respect for the legal rights of others, and required that an expression of disagreement with University decision making be in accordance with applicable processes, including confidentiality obligations. The exercise of intellectual freedom was not constrained by other Code of Conduct undertakings, such as respect or courtesy.

    The 2016 Censure and part of the basis of the Final Censure were unjustified because they related to the expression of honestly held views by Dr Ridd within his academic expertise. The Final Censure was justified only insofar as it relied upon expressions of opinion unrelated to Dr Ridd’s academic expertise, and findings that he repeatedly failed to comply with his confidentiality obligations. Since Dr Ridd ran his case on an all or nothing basis, the termination decision was justified in its reliance upon conduct of Dr Ridd which was the subject of 18 findings of serious misconduct which were not protected by cl 14.


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  19. That’s what Adam said in an email early on to me re my concerns about leaving Bird on the dash-cat. He wanted the dash-cat to be a genuinely free site for all viewpoints He later emailed me that I was right in warning him of Bird’s modus operandi, but not until the damage had been really done.

    He had plenty of warnings, and chose to ignore them in the interests of “free speech”.
    But, it is a market-place of sorts and people voted with the keyboards. So, instead of a “free site for all viewpoints” he’s got a virtual men’s shed comprising a handful of nut-jobs and the disaffected.


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  20. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
    October 13, 2021 at 11:22 am

    I note the neat segue from:
    As they still had over 900 ‘early vaxxed’ to enquire about and as the 104 figure is very high against only 204 ‘enquiries’, I’d suggest a major confounding bias in this piece of data: that the 104 figure likely represents a considerable number of women from across the enrolled early trimester vaxxed who had self-reported a miscarriage by calling in to notify them of this.
    to
    And we find now that group of participants were in another now indeterminate sub-cohort of the major original sample of those vaxxed prior to less than 20 weeks gestation;
    We “find” no such thing. The authors do not, repeat do not, anywhere recant from the 115/104 being part of the original 827. They just say they’ve updated the whole dataset. Having ditched both 827 and 115/104 their revised data in no way casts doubt on 115/104 being part of the 827.
    But this is still a distraction squirrel anyway. The authors used 115 and 104 as their data for the numerator and the critics you deride never commented on that, they commented only on the denominator that the authors themselves had stated. Thus 827. 827-700=127 was a perfectly valid criticism of what the authors themselves had presented, and the authors accepted that criticism – they just then segued immediately into explaining the revisions they had made later, well after the criticism had been rightly made.
    As for your continued claim that the critics were “confused” about other numbers, for the trillion and first time you’ve failed to show how that can possibly be when their entire equation, 827-700=127, used only the authors’ own sample data.


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  21. A Suggestionsays:
    October 13, 2021 at 11:59 am
    We all post private life details here to some extent

    No we don’t. Only narcissists do.

    ..
    You’re forgetting my excellent and much acclaimed ingrown toenail series.


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  22. He had plenty of warnings, and chose to ignore them in the interests of “free speech”.
    But, it is a market-place of sorts and people voted with the keyboards. So, instead of a “free site for all viewpoints” he’s got a virtual men’s shed comprising a handful of nut-jobs and the disaffected.

    As opposed to a womens gossip column and a bunch of wannabe intellectual saviours.


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  23. MarkMcGowanMP is celebrating how he retrospectively changed the law when a businessman who was acting lawfully took legal action he was entitled to take.

    So thats the standard of the law nowadays.

    Ok, all bets off, lies and deceit it is, followed by retrospective changes if you lose then.

    Thats definite banana republic/ kangaroo court stuff right there.


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  24. Great Barrier Reef experiencing ‘record high’ levels of coral coverage (27 Sep)

    Perfect set-up for the next cyclone, which now will absolutely certainly damage an enormous amount of coral, unprecedented in fact. I can see the headlines now!


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  25. Cassie of Sydney says:
    October 13, 2021 at 11:13 am

    There was nothing “decent’ in much of Anne posted. Her Rothschild/Lizard posts were both offensive and absurd…unless of course you agree with the lie “that Jews control the world”….a lie that led to pogroms, persecution and genocide.

    Always with the accusations Cass..

    My previous post was about keeping perspective.

    I agree with your point, but I didn’t see much of that delusional stuff in her overall contribution. IIRC, she mostly provided a lot of useful links, on crazy stuff that now looks prescient.

    IMO, the useful and/or good outweighed the bad.

    You’ll probably disagree. So be it.


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  26. areffsays:
    October 13, 2021 at 12:04 pm

    Thanks areff.
    At the risk of finding that the full judgement says something different than the summary, it looks like a “Pyrrhic defeat”.
    It seems that he would have won on the actual reef discussion, but lost because of the public way he subsequently brawled with the Uni.
    But it really seems to have hinged on the specific terms of the contract so we probably shouldn’t read too much into it either way.


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  27. “A line has to be drawn regarding the level of looney toons any site can tolerate and still remain live for most of the centre-right.”

    free speech is not absolute, but we aim to maximise it, up to the point but not including the point where it becomes destructive to itself. The left constantly try to minimise it due to the unreality basis of its ideology, wherein free speech naturally erodes post-modernism and marxism.

    It’s essential to have a clear picture of the above to have a solid foundation for action.


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  28. novavax apparently still hadn’t been submitted to the regulars for approval

    This Novavax approval delay is a SCANDAL of the highest proportions. They were ready to at the beginning of the year. The tests have all been done with tens of thousands volunteers in many different countries [rather than a couple of hundred as for Pfizer and other pharmas]. And they still can not get approval for something that is based on true/tried process.

    Watch this space – the Merck gene-therapy poison will be approved in a month. And will be rolled out by the billions whilst Novavax will be delayed and delayed again and again.

    And why?

    Novavax is a startup and not in the big boys club. And Merck surpassed Ivermectin to have Pfizer J&J and Moderna get the big bucks [if there was a treatment the Emergency approval would NOT have been given]. It is now Merck’s turn to get snout into trough. The vaxx is leaky? Well have we got a solution for you … by the billions at a $1000 a pop! Get it now!!!

    They can not have Novavax in the game. Why? EVERYONE would opt for it. AND it likely provides real / longer immunity as it uses the whole of the virus protein shell to stimulate immune reactions [rather than having the genetic poisons hijack host’s cell to create just the single spike protein]… so Merck Thorhammerpiratevir not needed [or not needed in vast quantities]


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  29. Before I am off to do other things, a word about my Currawongs. Such an important part of my ‘private life’, lol. 🙂

    Mum is looking older and more careworn this year. I noticed this after she was hanging out in the Jacaranda, taking five. During the recent rains she was doing sterling work as an umbrella for hours on end, even though she had taken care this time to situate her nest in a far more sheltered spot. Meanwhile, her perky little toy boy partner, a new chap this year, is very demanding for food to feed the two little fledgies, of whom he seems very proud. She does the sitting, but he is often there fussing over her and when she is away he’s a busy little sleek biride shoving food into those two open mouths.

    He’s an improvement on last year’s choice, I say in converse with her. She lets him feed first, for he larders it away in their secret spots, and it mostly gets to the chickies. Only then does she slowly come down, her legs looking much older now than his shining newish ones, and take her meat, eating some and then joining in the feeding.

    There’s been a lot of chatter online this morning about how tired some of us get, I tell her. She turns her head to one side, fixes me with her sharp yellow eye, and I know she’s agreeing that the haul is long and hard and sometimes we wonder why we do this, but we do. Tell it to the birds, some people say, but there is wisdom in that. Currawongs are songbirds too and they sing at the descending dusk for the last feed of the day. Then, while Hairy is out, I take my evening drink into the new terrace room, light a scented candle and watch the dusk myself knowing that less than a metre from the window a warm little nest nurtures the next Currawong generation.


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  30. “free speech is not absolute, but we aim to maximise it, up to the point but not including the point where it becomes destructive to itself. The left constantly try to minimise it due to the unreality basis of its ideology, wherein free speech naturally erodes post-modernism and marxism.

    It’s essential to have a clear picture of the above to have a solid foundation for action.”

    A very good comment Zipster.


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  31. Miss Anthropist says:
    October 13, 2021 at 12:07 pm
    If I talk about myself too much it is only because I am the most fascinating person I know.

    😀 With a name like that you might be the only person you know.


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  32. WA anti-bikie laws: Names of gangs written into new legislation
    Headshot of Peter Law
    Peter Law
    The West Australian
    Wed, 13 October 2021 2:00AM
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    Australian politicians love to talk tough on bikies — the problem is their words are rarely matched with action.

    That’s not to say police don’t throw considerable resources at these gangs, which authorities consider the distribution arm of South American drug cartels and Asian triads. But, until now, cops have simply not been given the legislative weapons to fight back.

    It’s been nine years since then attorney-general Michael Mischin unveiled what were thought to be some of the toughest anti-bikie laws in the country. We were promised gang members would be banned from associating or phoning each other. But the much-hyped laws were never used.

    That’s because police had to apply to the Supreme Court and it was up to a judge to determine if there was sufficient evidence for a gang to be declared a criminal organisation. If successful, police were then expected to go back to court to apply for so-called “control orders” against individual members to restrict whom they can associate with.

    The High Court struck down this system in South Australia and NSW, leaving it unworkable in WA.

    Ever since, the Barnett and McGowan governments have talked up another looming legislative crackdown on these gangs. And while we waited, bikies thumbed their noses at cops, bringing their national runs from the Eastern States to the roads of WA.

    The assassination of Rebels boss Nick Martin at Perth Motorplex late last year then put bikies back on the political agenda ahead of the election.

    Attorney-General John Quigley now reckons his Bill is, as much as possible, “impregnable” to a legal challenge by cashed-up bikies.

    That’s because the names of the gangs set to be targeted are literally written into the legislation.

    It’s not the first time he has tried this tactic. It’s the same method the Government used to reappoint ex-judge John McKechnie as Corruption and Crime Commissioner a few months ago.

    Quigley yesterday pledged the ban on publicly displaying gang insignia, giving cops the power to quickly break-up bikie gatherings and finally passing anti-consorting laws, was just the beginning.

    What police top brass really want is to prevent methamphetamine flowing back into WA at pre-pandemic levels once the interstate border finally reopens.

    Future legislative initiatives will focus on firearms reform and extra police powers that try to replicate the disruption to the drug trade seen over the past two years.

    The devil will be in the detail and the challenge for the Government is to ensure a police power grab doesn’t encroach on the lives of law-abiding citizens.

    In the meantime, gang tattoos and clothing that were once a badge of loyalty could soon see some of WA’s most notorious bikies thrown behind bars.

    Make no mistake — bikies will hate these laws. And that means Quigley isn’t just another politician talking tough on bikies — he’s sticking his neck out to destroy their lives.



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  33. callisays:
    October 13, 2021 at 9:13 am
    From Bruce’s link:

    This is beyond serious. Imagine trying to fight the fire approaching your house, only to have a low battery light start flashing on your fire fighting water pump. Or someone who requires powered medical equipment, like oxygen generators or sleep apnea devices, struggling through an extended power outage without proper treatment for their health condition.

    They’ll kill people with this stuff, of course.

    And preen themselves as they do it. It’s for the planet.

    Calli, First, thank you for your post that you were previously reluctant to put up. Well said, plus lots and lots.

    Second, many years ago I read a novel about electric power supply in Calistan, which included a conclusion exactly as you describe, people dying for lack of emergency power, the principal one being a paraplegic dependent on breathing support. Unfortunately, the effluxion of time is such that I cannot remember the title, but I vaguely think it was by Michael Crighton.


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  34. Australia’s judiciary slowly got cutoff from the protection of the british common law and their brethren in anglo-judicial class over the last 40 years. People posted stories of small goings on inside the legal world in Australia – the crown disappearing off documents, etc as republican fags tried to convert us to a banana republic through the backdoor was small warning.

    So now in 2021 cut adrift from their greater body of protection, like a finger cutoff from its hand, Australian judges are just isolated political cucks sitting in a room in some shit brutalist building being asked to face down the entire apparatus of their neighbours, media, political class, geopolitics and military industrial complex all by themselves.

    “Say ALP appointed Justice Cuck from Penrith, can you just kick one of the legs out of a world wide revolution that’s backed by all of the above on Tuesday thanks? Let’s have a beer afterwards”.

    If even christian pastors who are pre-primed to stand against authority and have large institutions and cultural apparatus to do that, won’t, as if these hollowed out individuals will!


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  35. free speech is not absolute, but we aim to maximise it, up to the point but not including the point where it becomes destructive to itself.

    The paradox of tolerance.


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  36. “The paradox of tolerance.”

    Yep…Karl Popper…

    “Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal”


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  37. I wish my teeny tiny white man’s 8 or so inches was a big black twelve.
    Does that make me a racist coz i wanna be Blak?!

    Top Tip: If you put an elastrator ring at the base of your todger it will turn black over the next few days.

    No need to thank me, Im a giving person like that.


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  38. The Court held that the intellectual freedom protected by cl 14 of the Enterprise Agreement was not a general freedom of speech. The exercise of intellectual freedom was subject to constraints contained in cl 14, including some adopted from the Code of Conduct.

    Be interesting to see Clause 14 of the Agreement. See exactly what it restricts and proscribes.

    On face value – the Court’s ruling that intellectual freedom is not same as general freedom of speech – is oxymoronic. (esp in an academic setting) [i.e. Emphasis on the moronic]

    As has been strongly argued here and elsewhere with respect to COVID “freedoms”: There is only one Freedom – the right to do anything you want that makes you happy. And then there are restrictions that prevent you from doing some things [things that infringe other’s freedoms and social contract etc]

    We are fast moving away from the above … where rules and laws are less proscriptive [you can’t do XYZ – but everything is OK] to more proscriptive [you can do only ABC – everything else is forbidden].

    DANGEROUS … and the High Court ruling seemingly supports this.

    If I was god emperor – I would set a posse on to the laws of the land and strip out and otherwise revoke any such laws that FORCE / RESTRICT activity.


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  39. The assassination of Rebels boss Nick Martin at Perth Motorplex late last year then put bikies back on the political agenda ahead of the election.

    Why?

    Bikie gangs whacking each other is a self correcting problem, provided there’s no public collateral damage.


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  40. The subject of free speech has come up. Adam Piggott has an interesting essay on why he doesn’t believe in it.

    A good starting point for any discussion of free speech in Australia would be that we are not the USA.

    We have no equivalent of the first amendment.

    Our constitution only implies a limited freedom of political speech.

    That being said, it looks as though Adam has stumbled upon the above mentioned paradox of tolerance. We have, indeed, ignored it at our peril since the cultural revolution of the 1960s.


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  41. Unfortunately, the effluxion of time is such that I cannot remember the title, but I vaguely think it was by Michael Crighton.

    The novel in question was, indeed, by Michael Crighton, but I’ll be damned if I can remember the title..


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  42. Can someone give me a concise explanation of exactly who or what “Bird” is?
    I was just an occasional reader of the cat and very rare poster for some years of Sinc’s rule and I don’t remember any bird related activity.

    Since then I have seen some unfortunate person posting drivel at Nilk’s discord and the other cat site about false Canaanites and so forth and others talking about Bird and “Birdstrikes”.

    I take it that Bird was a regular poster back in the day who had been banned by Sinc? I presume his offensive posts must have been before I first began reading the cat.

    What’s with the Bird thing, an old screen name?


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  43. Then there’s Milton’s Areopagitica. Own what you say and be prepared to defend it.

    Can’t apply to an anonymous blog, of course, which is more akin to pamphleteering.


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  44. Yes, in these straitened times, we should cut Bird a bit of slack.
    What’s a bit of good old-fashioned anti-Semitism and Neo-Nazism between friends, when we’ve got this fight against Global Socialism to … oh, wait … that didn’t come out quite right.
    What I mean is, well, Bird attacks the right targets, so he can’t be all bad, hey? Why not let him have his head now and then with a bit of Jew bashing. It doesn’t really do any harm.
    Does it?


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  45. Maybe she should’ve been called Helen, since she’s off to see the Trojans.

    LOL!

    Totally. Love it! But Damn! Just looked it up… I assumed that the L inLucy was something to do with Lagrange and the rest some usual acronym gibberish. Being named after the eponymous Lake Turkana relic is so MEH.


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  46. rickw, if you’re about still, did it make any difference for you declining the vaccine or not telling them either way, whichever route you took? I have to make a declaration one way or the other today and I’m vacillating between the two, although I’m tending to saying I decline the vaccine.


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  47. mole

    and Australia should just pave more of the continent with solar panels “because the sun is always shining somewhere’

    I wonder is the idiot aware that the time difference between Sydney and Perth is shorter than even a midsummer night, so the sun is NOT always shining somewhere in Australia!


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  48. Just had a call from boss, being stood down without pay on Friday, but will be allowed to take leave.

    Will take leave until the 21st. Plenty of reshuffling going on because I won’t be about. Plus reshuffling of the front line rosters because a reasonable number are sticking to their guns.


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  49. The Mongfrence* in Balmy Scroteland may as well pack its tent up and go home now.

    China’s plan to build more coal-fired plants deals blow to UK’s Cop26 ambitions
    Renewed commitment to coal could scupper Britain’s aim to secure global phase-out pact at climate summit

    China has previously set out plans to be carbon neutral by 2060, with emissions peaking by 2030, a goal analysts say would involve shutting 600 coal-fired power plants. President Xi Jinping has also pledged to stop building coal plants abroad.

    “Energy security should be the premise on which a modern energy system is built and and the capacity for energy self-supply should be enhanced,” the statement said.

    “Given the predominant place of coal in the country’s energy and resource endowment, it is important to optimise the layout for the coal production capacity, build advanced coal-fired power plants as appropriate in line with development needs, and continue to phase out outdated coal plants in an orderly fashion. Domestic oil and gas exploration will be intensified.”

    Beijing’s ambitions for carbon dioxide output are seen as critical in the push to achieve global net zero carbon emissions by 2050 and fulfil the 2015 Paris agreement to limit average temperature rises to 1.5C. But Li said Beijing wanted to gather new evidence on when its peak emissions would be reached.

    Heres Molestradamus’s prediction.
    China will attend and make encouraging noises to enable the “west” to commit economic self harm while they scoop up more industries that rely on base load, reliable or energy intensive inputs.

    * Any group gathering where window lickers gather in great numbers to “solve” a problem by raising taxes, wrecking industries or reducing individual liberty.

    Also heres the end plan for the mongfrence.
    Alok Sharma, the UK’s president-designate of Cop26, has said an agreement to phase out coal power is a key aim of the summit.


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  50. Currawongs are songbirds too and they sing at the descending dusk

    Nice story Lizzie. They really do knock themselves out in the breeding season – last year elderly lady kooka vanished after the chicks fledged. She always looked battered, but she’d hooked up with young male and reared two chicks. She had a great time then laid down her burden, I think.

    Sadly this morning the magpie kid who fledged yesterday is nowhere to be found. I’d collected kid off a lawn across the road and put him/her back into the nest tree, but it vanished about 6pm. Mum and dad can’t find it. Nor can I. Always a sad thing when that happens.

    As to currawong singing, they have different songbooks depending where you are. I suspect my lot sing very different songs than yours. Here are the local Cafe Bruce hit singles:

    Chew a cheap chop, cheweeeeee!
    Wowow or wowow?
    Wickerwack, wockerwack, weeeeee!
    And the old favourite of course: Currawong currawong!


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  51. Thus 827. 827-700=127 was a perfectly valid criticism of what the authors themselves had presented, and the authors accepted that criticism – they just then segued immediately into explaining the revisions they had made later, well after the criticism had been rightly made.

    Yes, they did segue into explaining that the figure of 104 spontaneous abortions came from another incomplete dataset. The problem lay with their tabling of data, I have no argument there, and I have no argument with querying it as the letter to the NWJM did. But to insist that the dataset referred only to the 127 had by then become irrelevant, because clearly it didn’t.

    How various commenters then treated this disparity became error upon error. I saw one set of commenters in the link made by you or whoever some weeks ago shrieking that 82% of vaxxed women were aborting. They actually were trying to combine the study data with the ‘contrast’ population data to explain these numbers. Maybe they were more complete loonies in doing that than most. I don’t know, but clearly one had to return to the original paper to ascertain what was going on; as I have done. More sensible heads merely queried the denominator and the source of the false and unbelievable numerator. That hardly matters now anyway, as the researchers have corrected what was obviously compromised spontaneous abortion data.

    Now will you please fuck off? I will not be here to listen to you yelping any longer.
    You are getting fixated and I have no truck with fixated people.


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  52. rickw, if you’re about still, did it make any difference for you declining the vaccine or not telling them either way, whichever route you took?

    I took the decline vaccination route, I advised them a while ago, mainly due to the company harassing unvaxxed.

    I don’t think it would have made any difference to the consequences and the company response. They would still need to respond in the same way to be fully compliant with Dickhead Dan’s rules.


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  53. What’s with the Bird thing, an old screen name?

    Aha!
    Yes, just one of many screen names.

    Can only be recognised by content of his posts I guess. Good to know.

    Monty Busby must be the latest incarnation then


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  54. This is a war. Make them pay for it.

    In other words we stepped past the boundary of tolerance into self-destruction. The nature of this war is now being thought with money and power, through censorship and exclusion. The left know, once it turns kinetic, they will be eradicated. A base of unreality is not a foundation to rally into a real war.

    China will either force this war on us or we will all become purely vassal states in a century of techno-totalitarianism.


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  55. See, and here is the reality.
    You are going to lose your job by submitting to tyranny anyway.
    The jab is not a choice, and will not save you from anything.
    In the long run , if the jab itself doesn’t kill you, the system it will set up will totally destroy you and your countrymen.

    Amen


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  56. I have to make a declaration one way or the other today and I’m vacillating between the two, although I’m tending to saying I decline the vaccine.

    Just say you are waiting for Novavax. Australia has ordered 50 million doses and Greg Hunt says it’ll be here in November…

    When is Novavax coming to Australia?

    The federal government has said it expects Novavax to begin arriving in Australia in November.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-13/when-is-the-novavax-vaccine-coming-to-australia-/100532184

    [That is what I use to justify my kids not being vaxxed – which is my hill that will kill me I expect]


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  57. Methinks the corruption investigation is starting to play on his mind.

    Oh, yeah.
    That is why he and Sutton are issuing a dog’s breakfast of “roadmap” shit on a drip feed.
    He needs five weeks of distractions to keep prying eyes off IBAC.
    Of course, their ABC don’t need any incentive to ignore it.


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  58. DB…can you please get rid of this comment..

    “You chose to defend Cassie’s lies when I said it was behaviour like hers that riled arseholes up against Jews & made things more dangerous for them.”

    She’s telling me, a Jew, that I’m to blame for attacks on Jews.


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  59. ha f’ing ha …

    rosie says:
    October 13, 2021 at 8:38 am

    And I like the identification of being ‘here’ on a daily basis as a crime.
    It’s social media and people can post as often or little as they please.

    So now I’m not “people”.

    There’s been many a streak of you & Cassie getting up in the morning to bitch about me posting at all, let alone when you lubberly lady gatekeepers & your simps weren’t about to bitch at each post.

    Anyway, it’s NOT about you or me, it’s about people like you actively unpersoning people like me & celebrating how successful all the little Covid Karen Stasi are.


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  60. From the Nt News:

    NT Police Assistant Commissioner Dr Narelle Beer has tendered her resignation, adding to the force’s internal management woes.

    Dr Beer is the third of the NT Police‘s executive leadership team to resign in the last 12 months.

    It comes as a damning new satisfaction survey reveals more than 70 per cent of Territory cops are unhappy with the direction of the agency and believe the leadership of the force is responsible for the exodus of staff.

    Dr Beer was appointed to the role of Assistant Commissioner Regional Operations with the in September 2018.


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  61. The missus just got informed the her PhD supervisor put his hand up for the voluntary redundancy.
    In their area 3 Assoc Profs were culled down to one.

    Not sure about other schools but this probably looks like a cull of about 50%

    Because they’re Artsy the school has always had a decent number of post-everything-ists
    (post – structural, modern, colonialism, gender, truth etc)
    The single remaining Assoc prof ?
    Hmm …. let’s just say that he isn’t a class enemy of the cultural Marxists


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  62. In a way, the worst possible thing would be if the vaccines are, or can be made to seem as having done some good overall.
    Then the totalitarians will be saying “See? We knew better than you all along”.
    Those who resisted will be made to look ridiculous.
    Now, I personally don’t give a damn about looking ridiculous, but I do care about the fact that such will allow them to justify whatever the next move of the ratchet will be.
    Am I hoping for an awful outcome for the billions who have had these vaxxes?
    No. Hopefully something relatively harmless like chronic bad breath, erectile dysfunction or sudden onset dandruff.


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  63. I saw one set of commenters in the link made by you or whoever some weeks ago shrieking that 82% of vaxxed women were aborting. They actually were trying to combine the study data with the ‘contrast’ population data to explain these numbers.

    Are you sure they weren’t doing simple arithmetic?
    Like 104/127?
    Comes out to 81.8% as best I can calculate it.
    And that’s what all the critics were saying.


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  64. You DO Know what You did here, right.
    ***
    Delta A says:
    October 13, 2021 at 9:48 am

    From Twostix bitchy post at 8.18 am:

    Woe betide the woman who confronts and mixes it up with them (which is why none ever do except one or two permanent social outcasts).

    […]
    Twostix often calls on his Christianity to illustrate his point. He conveniently overlooks, “Judge not, and ye shall not be judged.”
    ***
    It’s O.K. if you don’t.
    Everyone other literate person here does.


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  65. Why is Chyna doing all the war preparations?

    It what they are doing is part of a plan there will be an optimal time.

    They have built up their military, for example, so that much of it is new. But what they have built will from now on start its slide into obsolescence. A few leaps in technology by other countries could slash their advantages and they will be stuck playing catch up with everyone else.

    The Germans entered WW2 with the most modern Air Force in the world. Why not. Most of it was brand new and so very up to date.

    For the Chinese their sabre rattling has a use-by date.


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  66. How curious.

    Almost word for word their ABCcess’ report this morning.
    And i mean very close to word for word.

    ‘Tyranny’: US rightwingers portray nightmare vision of Australia’s Covid response
    The feedback loop between US conservative media and Australia’s fringe right has intensified as New South Wales and Victoria have struggled with outbreaks

    For instance this is near verbatim except they played Cheery Kant saying the words.
    Days before the New York event, Tucker Carlson devoted the opening monologue on his nightly Fox News program to the proposition that Australia “looks a lot like China did at the beginning of the pandemic” and painted lockdowns in the darkest possible hues, connecting them with the 2019 Australian federal police raids on the ABC.

    Carlson, whose show is the highest-rated news program on US cable television, according to Adweek, also seized upon the use of the phrase “new world order” by the New South Wales chief health officer, Dr Kerry Chant, at a press conference.

    Now what the odds of the Malcolm Gruinaid being plagiarized by the ABC???


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  67. The missus just got informed the her PhD supervisor put his hand up for the voluntary redundancy.

    My missus has one, I couldn’t think of anything worse nor more useless! 🙂


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  68. Top Endersays:
    October 13, 2021 at 10:31 am

    Oz breaking news:

    Physicist Peter Ridd has lost his appeal to the High Court over his sacking by James Cook University, in what was seen as a test of academic freedom in Australia.

    The court ruled against the Townsville-based academic who was sacked by James Cook University in 2018 for breaching its code of conduct over critical comments he made about the work of a leading coral scientist and the trustworthiness of research bodies such as the Australian Institute of Marine Science.

    It’s like the Dems stealing the election for Biden and all the happily volunteering Covid Karen Stasi, keep emboldening all the Anti-Christ infiltrated Institutions to step up their Long March … and bring those Jackboots down on every face…


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  69. Local Oaf – I think Cat participants may be sensitive about revealing too much about anyone, including Bird. He is a blogger too, and while a pest still deserves the courtesy everyone does.

    It was interesting recently – I put a search term into DDG and one of the first-page results was Bird arguing with another well known Cat, but on Bird’s own blog in about 2007. He’s been doing this stuff over and over and over since ‘way back then.


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  70. Struth parks the mighty 18-wheeler of his august opinion on the level crossing intersecting perception and reality:

    In this day and age, some people should not be talking about bird’s lunacy as much as his disgusting racism.
    He understands what is going on more than many here.
    Lunacy is in the eye of the beholder at this point.

    The Cat:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yIaRIYp14Eg


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  71. “You chose to defend Cassie’s lies when I said it was behaviour like hers that riled arseholes up against Jews & made things more dangerous for them.”

    Classic wife-beater defence from ussr.
    “Look what you made me do!”
    I blame an explanation excess of open tabs.


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  72. Guess what, it’s even harder for others

    But Enough! of all that about you shit, before you drown under all the slobbering

    if you die from heart attack, stroke, slowly from something worse, it’s because of him

    How does it help him to know his Grand Dad also bullied you into it

    lies when I said it was behaviour like hers that riled arseholes up against Jews

    deranged screeching

    arrogant, racist company

    My God you’re a bitter old nanna, aren’t you? You give grandmothers everywhere a bad name with your unique blend of prophecy, martyrdom, crybullying, insight and victimhood.

    Attributing ‘deranged screeching’ to someone else. That’s a belter. You are to deranged screechers what Walter Lindrum was to billiards.

    Pro tip: If you open up enough tabs, and watch all of them for long enough, you will see someone somewhere eating pizza.


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  73. The alternative version “leave them to stew in their own shit” wasnt an option??

    G20 leaders agree to involve Taliban in distributing Afghanistan aid
    Leaders agree in principle that funds can be channelled through UN agencies to avert ‘humanitarian meltdown’

    G20 leaders and ministers have agreed they will have no option but to involve the Taliban in sending humanitarian aid to Afghanistan, but say that this stops short of political recognition of the Taliban as a government.

    The consensus view came at a video conference on the Afghan crisis at which the EU stepped up its aid to a total of €1bn (£850m), and it was agreed in principle that the IMF and World Bank could provide aid. Nearly $9bn of Afghan assets in overseas banks have been frozen by the US.

    Aid agencies such as the International Rescue Committee say Afghanistan is on the verge of “a humanitarian meltdown” since it has been 75% dependent on foreign aid to survive – and support has dried up since the Taliban seized power in August.

    Why is a man with severe brain injury in charge of the UN?
    Seriously, hes either mentally handicapped or just a liar wallowing in his lies like a pig in its own shit.

    The UN secretary general, António Guterres, said the country was at a make-or-break moment. He told reporters in New York: “Respecting international law and principles, we have to find ways to inject liquidity into the economy for the economy not to collapse. If we do not act and help Afghans weather this storm, and do it soon, not only they but all the world will pay a heavy price.”

    He said the cash could be injected via UN trust funds, and other instruments. “I am particularly alarmed to see promises made to Afghan women and girls by the Taliban not being honoured,” he added.


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  74. My missus has one, I couldn’t think of anything worse nor more useless!

    Was intended to be a pathway into teaching at the Uni

    My missus wan’t tolerate a shit-talking cultural Marxist for a supervisor.
    They will try pushing the radical feminist gibber and make her read Foucault.

    She knows too that if come home with post-modern crap in her head there’ll be a divorce

    If she quits … I’ll have to send her down the mines


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  75. Just say you are waiting for Novavax. Australia has ordered 50 million doses and Greg Hunt says it’ll be here in November…

    I might go this route but it will effectively put me in the same situation as decline/or ‘none of your business’ response. The other problem is I’m not sure how you can indicate this on the company website, the drop-down menus don’t offer’ Waiting for novavax’.


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  76. He understands what is going on more than many here.
    Lunacy is in the eye of the beholder at this point.

    If the eye of the beholder isn’t totally infested by nano-wrigglers.
    The company you keep.


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  77. There is a ray of light in the Ridd decision:

    The 2016 Censure and part of the basis of the Final Censure were unjustified because they related to the expression of honestly held views by Dr Ridd within his academic expertise. The Final Censure was justified only insofar as it relied upon expressions of opinion unrelated to Dr Ridd’s academic expertise, and findings that he repeatedly failed to comply with his confidentiality obligations. Since Dr Ridd ran his case on an all or nothing basis, the termination decision was justified in its reliance upon conduct of Dr Ridd which was the subject of 18 findings of serious misconduct which were not protected by cl 14.

    If Ridd had separated the 2 issues he would have had some success.


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  78. The other problem is I’m not sure how you can indicate this on the company website, the drop-down menus don’t offer’ Waiting for novavax’.

    Is there an option for “not yet vaxxed but intending to”?


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  79. Looks like a tactical error by his legal team

    Yes.
    More of a concern is the key part of the ruling is that if you sign an EBA, you must abide by it no matter what.
    So an EBA supersedes common law & legislation according to the High Court.
    The High Court went looking for a fig leaf & believe they found one.
    Unanimous too.
    Scary.


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  80. ZK2A says …

    Future legislative initiatives will focus on firearms reform

    Using “bikies” as a shield to screw over law-abiding WA firearms owners yet again.

    Here’s a heads-up, numpties … patched bikie members don’t give a flying fig about your “gun laws”!!


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  81. rickw says:
    October 13, 2021 at 12:45 pm

    Just had a call from boss, being stood down without pay on Friday, but will be allowed to take leave.

    I salute you rickw, and others in your predicament. I’m not taking the vaxx for moral reasons but that decision doesn’t impact my life in any way as I’ve been retired for a long time and don’t have concerns about meeting mortgage payments, putting food on the table, family pressures, etc. (my wife is more adamantly anti-vaxx than me) so I haven’t faced the same pressures thousands of other recalcitrant objectors have.


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  82. When the AWU got members to agree to an EBA with Coles or Woollies (or both, I can’t remember) that Fair Work rubber stamped (PS Coles/Woollies gave 100k to an AWU training fund, totally unrelated of course), it was subsequently challenged by a non union member.
    The Federal court said it didn’t matter what was in the EBA, common law & legislation (where appropriately applied) stood.

    The High Court today in the Ridd case has said because something was in an EBA, it stands.
    Big business gunna love this.


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  83. Is there an option for “not yet vaxxed but intending to”?

    There is, but I think that one will require a date, as in appointment set for this day. Still, I hate the requirement given the absence of compelling reason for it. I detest the absence of any due process and natural justice, and that it is made simply on the basis of a ‘health order’.


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  84. Attorney-General John Quigley threatens to seize Clive Palmer’s jet over legal costs owed to WA
    Troy de RuyterThe West Australian
    Wed, 13 October 2021 10:09AM

    WA’s Attorney-General has threatened to seize Clive Palmer’s plane — and send him back to Queensland by train — if the billionaire does not pay up for legal fees owed to the State.

    John Quigley said that the mining magnate owed WA $1 million after his failed High Court challenge to the State’s COVID hard border — and he would probably need to pay another $1 million in costs after his unsuccessful bid to extract $30 billion from the State in his Mineralogy lawsuit.

    “What worries me is he challenged our border … then went down to the High Court in Canberra, then we won that case,” Mr Quigley told The West Live this morning.

    “Then we put in our bill for costs to Mr Palmer, he owes us $1 million — he just won’t write out a cheque — so he owes the State $1 million for the border challenge.

    “And this one will cost him another $1 million in costs, that’s $2 million.

    “If he doesn’t promptly pay this $1 million … this $2 million … the next time he flies to WA as soon as we lift our border restriction, I’m going to have the sheriff arrest his plane — seize his plane and sell it and he can catch the train home.

    “This is outrageous that this man keeps on taking us to the High Court and then refusing to pay the WA taxpayers bill.”

    Mr Quigley then doubled down on his threat.

    “I’m serious, if that plane comes into WA, I’m going to ask the sheriff to seize it,” he said.



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  85. Normally this is a post that I would delete at this stage… However “,”

    What’s with the Bird thing, an old screen name?

    Graeme Bird. A longtime poster on the Cat and other forums…

    That being said, it looks as though Adam has stumbled upon the above mentioned paradox of tolerance.

    Tolerance is inextricably tied into Liberty. Assuming that I have the right to do whatever I want to do to make myself happy (freedom), then it is not unreasonable to accept that everyone else would have the same freedom. This creates a potential of conflict in freedoms and this is where tolerance comes in.

    Where anyone else’s exercise of their freedom does not prevent me from fully enjoying mine – as much as I may not like it – I just need to suck it up and tolerate. Only where my freedom is restricted somehow, then I don’t need to tolerate and can act to restore my freedom. [This is where the social contract comes into play and we accept that our freedom must be restricted where its exercise will reduce / take away someone else’s]. And this is the second part of tolerance – I need to accept (tolerate) that my freedom will be restricted.

    In the case of Adam’s blog and birdstrike … We have Graeme exercising free speech. I fully support Adam’s position that we should suck it up if we value freedom. Free speech is an inalienable right to express an idea. BUT importantly the right to free speech does not implicitly contain the right to be heard… In the case of a street corner, people can walk past; if published, don’t have to read the book; or in the case of a forum / blog, are welcome to scroll past and ignore. Tolerance.

    We have been conditioned to emote and react. [We don’t need to react to everything dear people / Karens!!?] Reaction in Graeme’s case however, feeds him and encourages him. He is mentally unwell and part of his problem is that – in a perverted sense – whether good or bad an interaction is conflated with recognition/reward [I mean who else would interact with him!].

    I know that the best way to deal with trolls is to prove them wrong and ridicule them. Make them a joke. But that assumes the troll is sane. Graeme is not. IMO – The best way to manage Graeme is to ignore [tolerate]. And if you can’t resist the temptation – don’t engage on topic. Just tell him to get back on his meds. [That tells him he is sick and his b brain is damaged – and as he is a VERY clever man – this is something he hates to hear… and you never know, it’ll encourage him get back on his meds and become interesting again]

    Of course… the BUT! Whilst this may all be fine in theory – the blog owner is responsible for content [and Graeme is dangerous in that regard]. So – banning / censoring [which I would normally deplore] is unfortunately a necessary evil. [However – it’s not all bad. This also increases our enjoyment / happiness so there’s that! 🙂 ]


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  86. dover0beachsays:
    October 13, 2021 at 10:46 am

    Andrew Bostom, MD, MS
    @andrewbostom
    1/ ICU doc letter to FDA: “I can no longer silently accept the serious harm being caused by the C19 vaccines… my sincere hope reaction to this letter will not be to focus on me but rather to focus on addressing the serious safety issues with these products”

    Wouldn’t it be ironic if what was really stressing our hospitals was mass vaccination of experimental COVID vaccines.

    Remember AIDS was a Fauci thing.

    Remember when they told us that in the age of AIDS, the blood bin and countless other restrictions are “the new normal”.

    Vampires are NOT real, Fauci won’t live forever.

    God Does.


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  87. I am very disappointed in the outcome of Peter Ridd’s HC appeal too, but it might be helpful to read the entire judgment before expressing broad criticisms of their Honours.


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  88. Palmer sells Qantas shares..from The Oz

    Clive Palmer has sold his Qantas shares in protest against the airline’s mandatory vaccination of employees policy. Picture: David Clark

    Billionaire businessman Clive Palmer has sold all of his Qantas shares, in protest against the airline’s vaccination policy.

    The former federal MP tweeted to his 81,000 followers on Wednesday that his Palmer Group of companies had sold its “entire stake of Qantas shares, as a result of the airline’s stance on mandatory Covid vaccinations for all staff”.

    Mr Palmer revealed the decision to sell was “financial” because he believed the share price would eventually be adversely affected by the vaccination policy.

    “I believe that (Qantas CEO) Alan Joyce and his board have taken risks which could result in possible future legal ramifications,’’ he said.

    “I believe the financial risks Qantas is taking over mandatory vaccinations of its staff leaves them exposed to future financial damages by staff who suffer side effects or worse.”

    Mr Palmer didn’t disclose his stake in Qantas, and it was unclear if Mr Palmer was also planning to sell shares in other companies that have adopted similar mandatory vaccination policies for workers including BHP, Rio Tinto, Telstra and Medibank.

    A Qantas spokeswoman said the airline had received overwhelming support from its employees and customers for vaccination requirements.

    “All domestic airlines in Australia and many overseas have since introduced similar requirements for their workforce,” she said in a statement.

    “Having a fully vaccinated workforce will safeguard our people against the impacts of Covid-19, as well as protect our customers and the communities we fly to.”

    Qantas has set a deadline of November 15 for all of its frontline employees to be fully vaccinated, including pilots, cabin crew and customer-facing airport staff.

    The remainder of the workforce was expected to be fully vaccinated by March 31 with Mr Joyce suggesting that those who do not want the jab should consider a career outside of the aviation industry.

    The vast majority of workers have complied, with only a small percentage opposed to vaccination or seeking an extension to the deadline.

    They include a group of cabin crew hoping to be given the opportunity to be vaccinated with Novavax, which is due to start arriving in Australia by the end of the year.

    Those with a sound medical or religious reason for not being vaccinated are expected to be granted an exemption to the policy.

    Virgin Australia has adopted the same stance, and Rex has set a deadline of November 1 for its frontline workers to be double jabbed.

    Qantas is also insisting any passengers boarding international flights be fully vaccinated against Covid-19.

    The sale of Mr Palmer’s stake in Qantas made no impact on the share price in morning trade on Wednesday.

    After opening at $5.46 a share, the price rose 0.2 per cent to $5.48.

    Mr Palmer and his United Australia Party, headed by former Liberal MP Craig Kelly, have positioned themselves as the country’s most high-profile anti-vaxxers.

    In September, their texts to thousands of Australians attracted a warning from the Therapeutic Goods Administration to stop distributing misleading and incomplete information about Covid vaccines.

    The one-term MP has some history with Qantas, having used his political clout in 2014 to block proposed legislative changes that would have ended the airline’s foreign ownership restrictions.

    Then Prime Minister Tony Abbott had sought to “unshackle” Qantas from the rules, which capped foreign ownership of the company at 49 per cent.”


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  89. Vampires are NOT real

    I dunno. If you started waving a bunch of garlic around Parliament House in Canberra there just might be a stampede for the exits.


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  90. Qantas shares, like the honey badger says……

    Palmer sells Qantas shares..from The Oz

    Clive Palmer has sold his Qantas shares in protest against the airline’s mandatory vaccination of employees policy. Picture: David Clark

    Billionaire businessman Clive Palmer has sold all of his Qantas shares, in protest against the airline’s vaccination policy.

    …. I don’t give a shit.




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  91. A Suggestionsays:

    October 13, 2021 at 2:03 pm

    Looks like a tactical error by his legal team.

    Or all he could afford.

    What?
    That would be a ten minute submission.


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  92. A clever article which does ask a few good questions…

    https://www.takimag.com/article/sun-tsu-and-the-virus-from-wuhan/

    The word “Oriental” was banned in federal law in 2016, and race is now considered merely a social construct. Nonetheless, in this pandemic, countries with overwhelmingly Oriental populations have a fatality rate per population roughly 1/600 that of Caucasians and Africans.

    Does anyone know if this is likely to be correct??


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  93. “Dragnetsays:
    October 13, 2021 at 2:10 pm
    I am very disappointed in the outcome of Peter Ridd’s HC appeal too, but it might be helpful to read the entire judgment before expressing broad criticisms of their Honours.”

    No…no….tis best to judge and then find out the facts….surely?


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  94. Are anti-viral meds all very specfic or at least not as general (to some extent) as antibiotics are to bacterial infections. Does anyone know this for sure. My hunch is that that are lot more focused than antibiotics.


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  95. “This is outrageous that this man keeps on taking us to the High Court and then refusing to pay the WA taxpayers bill.”
    Considering what the case was about I wonder if he kept a straight face whilst waffling ..
    At least, now all CLOIVE has to do is NOT use his own plane if he needs to go to WA .. nothing like an advance warning to catch someone out .. LOL!


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  96. So an EBA supersedes common law & legislation according to the High Court.
    The High Court went looking for a fig leaf & believe they found one.
    Unanimous too.
    Scary.

    Indeed – good observation. Particularly where signing the EBA is essentially compulsory if you want the job. The EBA [or at least some of the conditions therein] may not have been entered into willingly. [I would expect the EBA be same across all the Unis – so Ridd essentially did not have an option but to sign if he wanted his academic job]


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  97. “Just in time” global supply chains are breaking down.
    Will they untangle and prove ultimately robust, or will shortages cascade through the system and permanently break things that can’t be unbroken?


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  98. I don’t think I’d want to own Qwerty Airlines shares either.

    They’re almost a macro trade. Buy them when they’ve had the shit kicked out of them and sell them when the world is one big sky.

    Having said this, brucie, if were in the old movie, in which the world had no Chinese bioweapon to contend with, Qaintarse would would be looking at 9 to 10 bucks a share by now. The gay Irish midget is the best airline CEO in the world. He’s had some luck on his side, but FMD he turns luck into multiples. He’s only good for one thing and that’s running an airline.


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  99. Are anti-viral meds all very specfic or at least not as general (to some extent) as antibiotics are to bacterial infections.

    From memory there were some awful results with early AIDs antivirals.
    Hammering one aspect of the thing was no good because it was highly mutateable and the newer strain would just power along.

    Its worth keeping in mind the general deadliness of AIDs owes quite a bit to it becoming less deadly over time, whereas the earlier strains took a while to show, but then quickly killed.

    Plus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaXAH3ISkXQ


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  100. I am very disappointed in the outcome of Peter Ridd’s HC appeal too, but it might be helpful to read the entire judgment before expressing broad criticisms of their Honours.

    Yes … free to a point. We should be able to express broad criticism on the basis of the news release. We should of course reserve the narrow criticism until the judgement is released.

    [It is a pity that there isn’t a dissent though!]


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  101. Bruce of Newcastle says:
    October 13, 2021 at 1:32 pm

    Local Oaf – I think Cat participants may be sensitive about revealing too much about anyone, including Bird. He is a blogger too, and while a pest still deserves the courtesy everyone does.

    It was interesting recently – I put a search term into DDG and one of the first-page results was Bird arguing with another well known Cat, but on Bird’s own blog in about 2007. He’s been doing this stuff over and over and over since ‘way back then.

    Thanks BON,

    I guessed he must have been doing it for yonks.

    I have no problem with people as individuals, and he has the right to post his opinions.

    I’ll always report any posts with obvious anti-semitic content. I think they actually endanger everyone at the site.

    Posts like that give spooks monitoring the site “proof” of the supposed “right wing extremists” they conjure up to frighten government into giving them more money.
    Better cashed up spooks results in more glowsticks infesting every space in which we can oppose our fascist governments and their eager media mouthpieces.


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  102. Essential workers in the Northern Territory will be subject to one of the strictest Covid-19 vaccination mandates in the world to begin in just a month.

    Chief Minister Michael Gunner said employees who interacted with the public needed to get least one Covid-19 jab by November 13 or they wouldn’t be allowed back to work and faced a $5000 fine.

    The new directions apply to:

    • Employees at all jobs that involve interacting with members of the public. For example: hospitality, banking, retail, supermarket, receptionists, hairdressers and beauty therapists
    Workers who come into direct contact with people at risk of severe illness from Covid-19, like Aboriginal people or those who can’t be vaccinated

    • Employees who work in a high-risk setting where there is a known risk of Covid-19 transmission or outbreak

    • People who perform work in essential infrastructure, food or essential good security or supply, or logistics

    • The direction also includes a provision that mandates booster shots for those workers in the future.

    Employers will be allowed to request proof of vaccination of staff and will be required to keep a register of the vaccination status of all employees.

    Some exemptions will be available to those who have legitimate reasons not to be vaccinated. It must be supported by medical evidence.



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  103. Will they untangle and prove ultimately robust, or will shortages cascade through the system and permanently break things that can’t be unbroken?

    They will come back because folks have a taste for cheap goods and a larger selection. For instance, why would someone buy Australian produced prosciutto when you can buy San Daniele for just a smidgen over? 🙂 The taste is incomparable.

    Why would you buy say..Australian made jeans when you can buy American brands for cheaper the price. That is, if jeans were made here.

    I’ll give you one example that I was actually thinking about today. The 90s decade, I lived in the US, but we’d come back approx one time a year to visit folks. I’ll never forget browsing a tiny music store here selling CDs here at 35 bucks a sting. The same would be selling in the US mega CD stores at the time for 10 / 12 bucks. There was still a tariff on CDs in OZ. That $35 bucks in say 1993 would be nearing 70 bucks in today’s dollars. We will never again run a high tariff regime. We may end up with embargoes on say China because they act like dicks, but we’ll just source from elsewhere.


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  104. The best way to manage Graeme is to ignore [tolerate]. And if you can’t resist the temptation – don’t engage on topic. Just tell him to get back on his meds. [That tells him he is sick and his b brain is damaged – and as he is a VERY clever man – this is something he hates to hear…

    Thanks for the suggestion, Rohrschach. Graeme has been no fun since he started ignoring me and other counter-trolls.

    Graeme historically hates being derailed from his obsessions. I can remember enraging him into exiling himself many times over on both the Old- and Dash-Cat.


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  105. Palmer’s HC decision was about the borders.
    Not the iron ore dispute.
    My HC comments upthread re Ridd stand.
    My HC comments upthread re Palmer, bin.


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  106. Some exemptions will be available to those who have legitimate reasons not to be vaccinated. It must be supported by medical evidence.

    Im allergic to fascist diktats?

    How does any of this shit continue to be legal once the “state of emergency” is gone?

    This country can burn.
    less than 2 years from shit democracy to shot failed state.


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  107. Looked over the hedge. Dash Cat looks like it’s almost dead. Adam D is a huge bullshit artist. Promising everything and then simply not delivering. It was a me, me, me attempt and justifiably now it’s now sliding down the bowl and about to hit the water. Good riddance.


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  108. rosiesays:
    October 13, 2021 at 2:46 pm

    Cheers Rosie, those numbers looked extremely high to me at first glance.

    I think what the writer was getting at the the reported (dodgy as buggery) death rates in China/Asia vs USA.

    Im also guessing a lot more fat buggers of all ethnicity in the US not helping their figures.


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  109. HD says:
    October 13, 2021 at 2:45 pm

    Wonder if the local military will be up to activities like these if vaxxed?

    I’d bet that our RAN sailors could beat them in a finger nail painting competition.


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  110. The High Court unanimously dismissed the appeal. The Court held that the intellectual freedom protected by cl 14 of the Enterprise Agreement was not a general freedom of speech. The exercise of intellectual freedom was subject to constraints contained in cl 14, including some adopted from the Code of Conduct. These constraints upon exercise included respect for the legal rights of others, and required that an expression of disagreement with University decision making be in accordance with applicable processes, including confidentiality obligations. The exercise of intellectual freedom was not constrained by other Code of Conduct undertakings, such as respect or courtesy.

    This means the University enforced the code of conduct when Ridd was having a crack at other academics at the Uni, but didn’t enforce the code of conduct when the other academics were having a crack at Ridd.
    Seriously, it’s like the Kardashian’s are on the High Court.


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  111. It was me who delivered nothing.

    Was going to back you all the way. But – mate – imaging having to deal with Birdstrikes 24/7!! We know that Adam-D was smashed with the move and couldn’t do this. And what a waste! The dash Cat was it for a while. But we are in a competitive market environment, where really and unfortunately, there can be only one!


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  112. Always run many, many lines of action when going to court.

    No mate, you don’t. Apart from anything else it pisses judges off and they will refer to speculative, unsubstantiated claims, wasting the court’s time, wild goose hunts and ultimately that will be reflected in the costs orders such that even if you win over-all there will be an apportionment of your costs based on the Judge’s view of the time wasting. I have seen substantial adverse cost orders for a winning party because they padded their claim.

    The fact is the HC has taken a very narrow technical reading of the EA and the academic rights and freedoms which flow from it. In the Judgment of the first instance the Judge took a very expansive view which I suspect may have coloured Ridd’s legal team thinking so they retained a kitchen sink approach. Having said that the contraventions by Ridd of his EA listed by the HC are trivial and reflect on the pampered egos of the other academics; and since this was about egos and the threat to revenue by Ridd’s plain speaking about the GBR those bastards will claim a victory beyond what they have got and a clamp will have been placed on future academic dissent.

    If we had a conservative government instead of the cucks we have got they would be all over this introducing legislation which fortifies academic freedom and which supersedes any EA limitations.


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  113. Dot,

    No, you’re not taking the fucking blame for it. 🙂 He made all these enthusiastic promises and the site ended up with Bird making deplorable blood libel accusations against the Tribe and threatening to kill people, en masse, who didn’t agree with him. He let that crap go on for weeks and then, he finally posts a long laborious comment about how he’s busy running an online candy store and moving his family to another state. He didn’t have 15 minutes a day to clean up the shit Bird had sprayed over the walls and start a new open thread. Give me a fucking break.


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  114. Two further cases will tell me if there is any reason to have hope for Australia, or whether it’s 100% captured.
    The Palmer v WA iron ore case.
    The insurance companies v the business owners in the business continuity insurance case.
    Who knows when they’ll be heard by the High Court.
    If it rules in favour of WA & the insurance companies, we’ll know that they’re not trying to even hide it anymore.


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  115. If we had a conservative government instead of the cucks we have got they would be all over this introducing legislation which fortifies academic freedom and which supersedes any EA limitations.

    This.


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  116. We know that Adam-D was smashed with the move and couldn’t do this.

    Dude, 15 minutes a day is all that was needed to clean the shit off the walls. He could’ve have handed it over to someone else for a time. If you make a fucking commitment then fucking die make sure the commitment gets done or otherwise close up.


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  117. Just say you are waiting for Novavax. Australia has ordered 50 million doses and Greg Hunt says it’ll be here in November…

    I put a link to a Fortune article on Novavax in Arky’s Vaxxed thread, well worth reading.
    Novavax will likely work better than any mRNA-based abortion because it includes the whole virion spike protein, thus naturally creating a larger variety of memory B-cells and killer T-cells.
    Antibody titres ie. host protection, should be higher and last longer than with the current lot.
    Efficacy at 90-ish% compares well to the other poisons.

    2 problems:
    Production of enough doses by the company. Hopefully this isn’t code for “scam”. But one has to wonder why this is still the case 18 months into this pandemic.
    and
    WEFfing Hunt regulating to make this a booster-only vax, not for any medical reason, but to pander to the current corporates.


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  118. Chief Minister Michael Gunner said employees who interacted with the public needed to get least one Covid-19 jab by November 13 or they wouldn’t be allowed back to work and faced a $5000 fine.

    fascists have really found their element


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  119. The EBA which incorporated a Code of Conduct supersedes everything.

    That’s insane.

    They’re allowed to enforce it selectively?

    Still in shock. Someone slap me.

    Not all at once!


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  120. Chief Minister Michael Gunner said employees who interacted with the public needed to get least one Covid-19 jab by November 13 or they wouldn’t be allowed back to work and faced a $5000 fine.

    You can get fined if you quit or work from home, say in IT help??!


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  121. How does the Ridd case now impact FWA?
    Re EBA’s having shit in them that is contrary to common law & legislation?
    Re selective enforcement of codes of conduct?

    It’s off to the races to for employers.


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  122. I thought most people knew who bird brain is. How no-one hasn’t reported him to the Race Discrimination Commission I don’t understand. Being who he was is no justification for putting up with his bullshit.


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  123. It is concerning that universities have licence to police a code of conduct selectively.

    ..
    Not really.
    Universities have to die.
    This brings that closer.


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  124. WEFfing Hunt regulating to make this a booster-only vax, not for any medical reason, but to pander to the current corporates.

    Why is this any of his business? If it is approved, it should be available to anyone requesting it.


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  125. Arky

    With NSW ( I think) planning on importing 2,000,000 more consumption units over a couple of years the units rivers of gold never looked better.


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  126. and since this was about egos and the threat to revenue by Ridd’s plain speaking about the GBR those bastards will claim a victory beyond what they have got and a clamp will have been placed on future academic dissent.

    The other issue with the clamp on academic dissent … the way I read from the news release this:

    He also made comments to Sky News that organisations like the Australian Institute of Marine Studies could “no longer be trusted” and suggested scientists working on the reef were emotionally attached to their subject

    The Final Censure was justified only insofar as it relied upon expressions of opinion unrelated to Dr Ridd’s academic expertise, and findings that he repeatedly failed to comply with his confidentiality obligations

    These constraints upon exercise included respect for the legal rights of others, and required that an expression of disagreement with University decision making be in accordance with applicable processes, including confidentiality obligations.

    I’m thinking that because Ridd was speaking out publicly about the Uni’s dirty washing, he was stomped on [aside from being a AGW caused GBR bleaching denier]. The way I see this heading is that the only forum for dissent is peer reviewed literature. And this means that you are effectively silenced – if you are on the outer – means you can’t and will not get published [Peer review will see to that] and if you talk to the media … here is the Ridd HC precedent.


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  127. Testing into professions must come back.

    A child genius should be able to get a 1st in maths by walking in off the street, getting 100% in complex analysis, leave school and earn six figure salaries for minerals exploration, IT, state treasuries etc.

    What good does more school and years of university do for them?


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  128. 2,000,000 debt free consumption units to replace the pale stale ones we ruined with the lockdowns.

    Then in 10 years write “studies” saying how dynamic the new arrivals are compared to the locals.

    Similar to after “the recession we had to have”.


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  129. GreyRangasays:
    October 13, 2021 at 3:17 pm
    I thought most people knew who bird brain is.

    But best not to explicitly buy into identifying people here. There is already one former commenter at various incarnations of The Cat who seemed to be busting to be identified and defamed so he/she/ze could expect a payday.

    How no-one hasn’t reported him to the Race Discrimination Commission I don’t understand. Being who he was is no justification for putting up with his bullshit.

    I think you can take it to the bank that his antics at Dash-Cat at least have come to the attention of more than one agency.


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  130. Twostix often calls on his Christianity to illustrate his point. He conveniently overlooks, “Judge not, and ye shall not be judged.””

    Are you judging me?


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  131. (Dot, despite you advice I’ve been scrolling back).

    Bruce & Bern thanks for the articles on China & coal and China and surveillance, both were well worth the read.


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  132. WEFfing Hunt regulating to make this a booster-only vax, not for any medical reason, but to pander to the current corporates.

    I’m hoping that Hunt – who actually is smart – is pushing to prevent the mRNA etc vaxxes being used as boosters. I’d bet that Pfizer has the agreement locking down the Govt – but I’d say it’s silent re booster shots. It is probably also silent re combined COVID/Flu vaccines! Which is where I think Novavax is now heading… [Given it seems that they will not get FDA (and presumable TGA) approvals any time soon.

    There is a combined vax trial that’s [I presume] started here in Australia

    https://www.usc.edu.au/about/usc-news/news-archive/2021/september/combined-covid-19-and-influenza-vaccine-trials-to-begin-soon

    and it actually asked for candidates where:

    The early phase trial will comprise 640 healthy adults aged 50-70 who have either been previously infected with the coronavirus or given an authorised COVID-19 vaccine at least eight weeks prior to the study.

    https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/coronavirus/2021/09/09/novavax-trial-australia/


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  133. JCsays:
    October 13, 2021 at 3:11 pm
    We know that Adam-D was smashed with the move and couldn’t do this.
    ………………………….
    Dude, 15 minutes a day is all that was needed to clean the shit off the walls. He could’ve have handed it over to someone else for a time. If you make a fucking commitment then fucking die make sure the commitment gets done or otherwise close up.

    Yep.
    Not finding someone in the Cat community to hose the place out every few hours was a big mistake.
    It left the (probably unfair) impression that he was in lock-step with Bird’s Nazi ravings.
    Perhaps too much of a Lone Ranger.


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  134. ZK2A from The West Australian:

    Future legislative initiatives will focus on firearms reform and extra police powers that try to replicate the disruption to the drug trade seen over the past two years.

    I have just about had a gutful of WA firearms reforms. They have cost me thousands of dollars and thousands of hours plus stopped 100,000 good people doing ordinary good things over the last 50 years.
    If they increase their embuggerance for the good guys, we should partially take the sector off the air.


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  135. Sancho Panzersays:
    October 13, 2021 at 3:36 pm
    GreyRangasays:
    October 13, 2021 at 3:17 pm
    I thought most people knew who bird brain is.

    But best not to explicitly buy into identifying people here. There is already one former commenter at various incarnations of The Cat who seemed to be busting to be identified and defamed so he/she/ze could expect a payday.

    How no-one hasn’t reported him to the Race Discrimination Commission I don’t understand. Being who he was is no justification for putting up with his bullshit.

    I think you can take it to the bank that his antics at Dash-Cat at least have come to the attention of more than one agency.

    He has already identified himself. They are his words. He is not being doxxed.


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  136. What good does more school and years of university do for them?

    Send them out without going to uni and in due course they’ll resent missing out on three or four years of sport, ale drinking and partying.


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  137. dover0beach says:
    October 13, 2021 at 3:24 pm
    WEFfing Hunt regulating to make this a booster-only vax, not for any medical reason, but to pander to the current corporates.
    Why is this any of his business? If it is approved, it should be available to anyone requesting it.

    The ABC articles keep repeating this.
    Assuming all we know is true, there is no medical reason why this couldn’t be used as a primary vax.

    Since Governments are now in full fascism mode, they think they can, and will, do almost anything. Post hoc reasoning will be of the post-modern type.


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  138. Here is an interesting take on the Ridd decision / background:

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-13/qld-controversial-queensland-academic-court-battle-jcu/100534402

    The National Tertiary Education Union said the High Court decision was “disappointing”.

    But Queensland Secretary Michael McNally said it also affirmed that Dr Ridd was rightly exercising his academic freedom at times.

    “The High Court has found that the initial censure that was provided about the comments that were made publicly about the research were actually fine and that the censure shouldn’t have been issued in the first place,” Mr McNally said.

    “That is where all of the other allegations subsequently came from — Peter Ridd trying to defend himself in the public domain.

    “The subsequent conduct that took place after the initial censure was issued, was not an exercise of academic freedom under the enterprise agreement.”

    So …

    Peter Ridd was accused of calling a fraud a fraud in the media. For this he was sacked .

    Defending himself he said a few things that were supposedly confidential.

    Goes to the HC which has now ruled – he shouldn’t have been sacked for calling a fraud a fraud [as he was talking about something in his area of expertise]. But that it was OK to for him to be sacked subsequently since he defended himself in public and breached some confidentiality clause in the EBA.

    Uni awarded costs etc. All hail the machine!

    Have I got this right?

    No one ever expects the Spanish Inquisition!


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  139. Bikie gangs whacking each other is a self correcting problem, provided there’s no public collateral damage.

    The family of Leanne Walters, late of Milperra, would have strong views about collateral damage.
    I don’t think warring bikies worry about deaths of innocent children.


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  140. Chrissays:
    October 13, 2021 at 3:45 pm
    ZK2A from The West Australian:

    Future legislative initiatives will focus on firearms reform and extra police powers that try to replicate the disruption to the drug trade seen over the past two years.

    I have just about had a gutful of WA firearms reforms. They have cost me thousands of dollars and thousands of hours plus stopped 100,000 good people doing ordinary good things over the last 50 years.
    If they increase their embuggerance for the good guys, we should partially take the sector off the air.

    Years ago there was a guy running round Nth Perth/ Mt Lawley area taking pot shots. I called the cops. They came round, I said it was a .22 and most likely a 270 or 308 going by the bark. Oh no you can’t have those in the city. They obviously looked me as not having arms. Then asked how do you know about weapons? Ask xxxxxxxxx in the drug squad. They had that WTFAY look. I’m no-one. Sure enough they caught him a few weeks later with what I said. Borrowed xxxxxxxxx ute one day. when my Landcruiser was lent to another mate for his holiday to SharkBay, he rang up later, :
    “don’t worry about the sawn off shottie behind the back seat”.


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  141. Assuming all we know is true, there is no medical reason why this couldn’t be used as a primary vax.

    Yes … but Novavax probably will not get approval to be used as a primary vaxx. [In any case even if it does 80-90% will already be vaxxed – so moot].

    BUT if it gets approved and your doc gives it to you? Hey … you’re good!

    [The only issue is that the Cathedral is forcing governments to not recognised those test volunteers as being vaxxed for the purpose of travel / vaxx certificate. EFFING SLIMES.]

    https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/pfizer-shots-offered-to-novavax-trial-volunteers-so-they-can-travel-20211009-p58yls.html

    [Has anyone done a (double blind randomised multi nation) study on what happens if you are double vaxxed with one vaccine and then double vaxxed with another? Oh – just kidding – jab em with the Pfizer mRNA poison and she’ll be right!]


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  142. Are you sure they weren’t doing simple arithmetic?
    Like 104/127?

    I did not think that this particular crew were doing that. They seemed to be searching for numbers and conflated numbers in the study group with numbers in the population group.

    I doubt very much they had read the original paper nor disaggregated its data, albeit that data was, as I agree, compromised. It may be that they had heard from others that there was a problem and were searching for it in their own inchoate way. But they were dead keen to show that 82% of babies really did get aborted.

    Water under the bridge now. The study has been corrected and the babies are not at risk.

    Now can we please move on?

    I’m more concerned with trying to get together a group of vaxxed and unvaxxed Cats for an IRL meet up at last where we can discuss ways forward for resistance in the very parlous times of the present for any who cherish liberty. The apartheid system is alive and people are suffering from it, which is just the start of other suffering the technofascists (love that term) will likely try to inflict upon us.


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  143. Boomer level Christianity creaks and groans and rises from the grave one last time, two tranny grave diggers rapidly shovel rainbow coloured dirt over it, vaccinated people only allowed into the cemetery, a fag looking effeminate soy poisoned ‘pastor’ holding his bible with 3/4 of the pages missing and crossed out smirks on, his harem congregation peer into the grave. One arm out, its skeletal face turns and looks and points at the young people outside the fence watching the extraordinary spectacle in amazement. Everyone stops, quiet descends, words emanate from its emptiness: “Stop …judging…us” it feebly croaks then collapses under its own weight.

    The end.


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  144. So now we know who is advising Melanie Gibbons. She thinks she can’t win her own state seat at the next election but she believes she can win Craig Kelly’s seat. ScoMo keeps proving how vindictive he is. It would serve him right if the seat of Hughes goes to Labor.


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  145. But that it was OK to for him to be sacked subsequently since he defended himself in public and breached some confidentiality clause in the EBA.

    And other academics from the same institution were breaching their confidentiality clauses in the EBA having a crack at Ridd, but that’s ok.


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  146. Yes … but Novavax probably will not get approval to be used as a primary vaxx. [In any case even if it does 80-90% will already be vaxxed – so moot].

    Rorschach, if we are forced to have boosters next year why not go with Novavax? It’s only fair since the others have had their payday this year.


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  147. dover0beach says:
    October 13, 2021 at 12:28 pm

    Rebel News
    @RebelNewsOnline
    Oakville residents wishing to be entered into the bonds of holy matrimony will have to pony up their vax pass to local bureaucrats before their nuptial permit is issued.

    Wow. Just wow.

    1 Timothy 4:
    2 influenced by the hypocrisy of liars, whose consciences are seared with a hot iron.

    3 They will prohibit marriage and require abstinence from certain foods that God has created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

    4 For every creation of God is good, and nothing that is received with thanksgiving should be rejected,…


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  148. I think that this Opinion Piece in Sky News pretty much well agrees with what most are saying here [certainly me].

    The concerns Ridd raised regarding the quality of research being conducted at one of our leading universities should alarm every Australian

    After today, any researcher who tries to blow the whistle on such allegations in our publicly funded research institutions – and there is enormous reason to believe that such misbehaviour exists – has been warned: don’t even think about it.

    You will lose your job for doing so.

    https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/high-courts-ruling-against-former-james-cook-university-professor-peter-ridd-is-an-assault-on-freedom-of-expression/news-story/7dbb8ce846400da754c251fa846c438b


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  149. Uni awarded costs etc. All hail the machine!

    Have I got this right?

    No one ever expects the Spanish Inquisition!

    Yes, you do have that right. The grinding illogic of his persecution.

    The persecuted have no right to speak of employer’s ‘investigations’, to tell their even wives of their persecutions. The Rudd case should have been fought on the natural justice denied to the employee by this ‘confidentiality’ clause in the EB.

    It seems universities can set themselves up as Kangaroo Courts on more than matters of sexual accusations where they have made a running. They can now try you in their Court of Anything.


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  150. Original comment:

    Do one for Vic now please. 13 elderly died overnight and all were vaccinated.

    Dover:

    Surely this is not possible. Somebody help me here.

    You ungrateful sod Dover. Can you imagine how much deader those people would be if they weren’t vaxxed?


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  151. Rorschach, if we are forced to have boosters next year why not go with Novavax? It’s only fair since the others have had their payday this year

    I do hope that if we need to have boosters, then Novavax is the go…

    And I understand that it may be cheaper than Pfizer and certainly Moderna!

    Based on a supply agreement with the U.S. government, the Novavax vaccine will be priced at about $16 per dose, below the $19.50 for Pfizer’s vaccine and as much as $37 per dose for Moderna’s.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2021/02/01/novavaxs-highly-effective-vaccine-could-be-a-game-changer/?sh=6e58bfbf3cfe


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  152. I attended a staff meeting this week (zoom) and was horrified with some of my colleagues. There were a number of them who were indignant that they may have to work with unvaccinated colleagues after 1st December. I’m glad the management weren’t concerned and simply stated that they will follow the government’s advice.

    What is wrong with these people who think of themselves as smart and compassionate?


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  153. ebel News
    @RebelNewsOnline
    Oakville residents wishing to be entered into the bonds of holy matrimony will have to pony up their vax pass to local bureaucrats before their nuptial permit is issued.

    Horrible. It is the Miscegnation Laws all over again.

    Marry within your type. You know it makes sense. /sarc off


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  154. Years ago there was a guy running round Nth Perth/ Mt Lawley area taking pot shots. I called the cops. They came round, I said it was a .22 and most likely a 270 or 308 going by the bark.

    Years ago I heard shots in Booragoon, at home at night. Called it in, I said it sounded like a .22 and ‘something bigger’. The person on the 000 asked whether it sounded like a .38, (I wonder if that would have meant Police being shot and shooting back?) but I denied being able to tell from the sound.
    Later the cops came knocking on all the neighbourhood doors to let us know it had been young people with illegal fireworks. Thanks Constable, thats a relief.
    That arsehole that murdered Snr Cst Bill Pense and wounded Sgt Jim Keelan died in jail 28 years later, a complete waste of oxygen for 28 years. In none of those years were I, Bruce or 100,000 fellow West Australians with legal arms, farms, club memberships, collectors, security guards. I do not approve of people shooting WA cops, and would cheerfully pre-empt any attempt to do so that were in my power. And then they treat me and us as the problem.
    Police in other states? You’re a good guy, so go for it and dont make extra paperwork.


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  155. Where is vic dhhs publishing is the vaccination status data for deaths in Victoria?
    I can’t find it on their website, someone on twitter said they weren’t as transparent as nsw health.
    Surprise.


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  156. It is concerning that universities have licence to police a code of conduct selectively

    only when when going after an ideological enemy

    get with the post-modern times mate


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  157. H B Bear says:
    October 13, 2021 at 11:22 am
    A bit torn on that one, custard. I would hate to see a matter of principle enrich Clive Palmer.

    Why not? After all renewables subsidies are good enough for Turnbull’s family and friends.


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  158. “Crossiesays:
    October 13, 2021 at 4:09 pm
    So now we know who is advising Melanie Gibbons. She thinks she can’t win her own state seat at the next election but she believes she can win Craig Kelly’s seat. ScoMo keeps proving how vindictive he is. It would serve him right if the seat of Hughes goes to Labor.”

    Yep…if Craig can’t win….then the seat will fall to Labor.


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  159. Calli, have a read of Heinlein’s Farnham’s Freehold . It deals with a family blown by a nuke some centuries into the future, where white ppl are slaves and black ppl their masters. Farnham fights for his freedom, but his wife and son betray him and choose a life of compliance.

    Not entirely different from our own situation. Heinlein has a lot of insights into slavery, and observes that it’s bad for the slavers as well as the slaves.

    I recommend it.


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  160. Listening to 3AW Drive again. Elliott argues that the vaccinated can’t even get sick from COVID let alone die, contra all the evidence. So when employers argue for vaccine mandates they are arguing from a deep concern for their employees, not their vaccinated ones, but their unvaccinated ones. They do not want to be sued by their unvaccinated employees because they failed to provide a safe workplace by allowing them to work while unvaccinated! The logic here is incredible.


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  161. Friend of mine, lovely bloke, has been a volunteer with Vinnies for yonx. Yesterday, being unvaccinated, he was told his good works were no longer needed.

    There is madness in the land.


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  162. Next time someone like Stepford or our very own Vlad Lenin says:

    Election fraud? What election fraud?

    There’s this:

    In the eyes of many Democrats, any push to ensure ballot integrity amounts to voter suppression, while Georgia’s inquiry into Atlanta’s elections is nothing more than a prelude to a power grab. Yet last week two Georgia election workers were fired for shredding voter registration forms, and this week three Michigan women were charged with fraud.

    Georgia’s performance review of elections in Fulton County, which includes most of Atlanta, has largely been painted as a GOP plot to take over the handling of ballots in a blue area. Yes, the state’s new voting law theoretically gives it the power to suspend local election boards. But that’s only after a lengthy process, which must include a finding of malfeasance, gross negligence, or the like. And Fulton County has a long record of screw-ups.

    Add this to the list: Fulton County said Monday it terminated two employees who “allegedly shredded a number of paper voter registration applications received within the last two weeks.” Fellow workers reported this on Friday, and the perpetrators were fired the same day. According to the state, about 300 applications were destroyed. The context is that early voting in the next local elections began Tuesday.

    And there’s this:

    The Michigan cases are also instructive. One woman, the state Attorney General’s office says, “implemented a plan to obtain and control absentee ballots for legally incapacitated persons under her care by fraudulently submitting 26 absentee ballot applications.” Another woman, who worked at a nursing home, allegedly filled out absentee applications for residents without their knowledge, while forging their signatures.

    The fraudulent paperwork was caught when election workers compared the bad signature to the voter’s real one. But the state’s news release is less clear about the third woman, who “admitted to signing her grandson’s absentee ballot because she was concerned he would not have time to vote on Election Day.” The grandson voted in person, so investigators were called in April to look into “a case of double voting.”

    Democrats say voter fraud is mythical. That isn’t true, and it’s reckless to pretend otherwise.

    Whenever a leftwing idiot says there’s never been any evidence of election fraud, it’s worth keeping the above in mind for a response.

    WSJ


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  163. feelthebern says:
    October 13, 2021 at 11:43 am
    Clive Palmer loses high court challenge.
    The High Court has now made it legal for a state government to retrospectively pass laws that capriciously target an individual.
    This is really troubling.
    So apart from the 7 zip ruling in the Pell case, the High Court doesn’t really adhere to the law.
    ScoMo has appointed two of these jokers hasn’t he?
    Or is it more?

    The High Court had to atone for the Pell decision. Can’t have the plebs thinking they have rights even if they are rich plebs.


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  164. Mosquitoes may have killed half the people who ever lived

    Stupidity probably has killed half the people who ever lived, and a distinct number of those read woke Non Scientist. The rag is not worthy to be used to wipe a child’s bottom with.


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  165. Cassie of Sydneysays:
    October 13, 2021 at 1:08 pm

    DB…can you please get rid of this comment..

    “You chose to defend Cassie’s lies when I said it was behaviour like hers that riled arseholes up against Jews & made things more dangerous for them.”

    She’s telling me, a Jew, that I’m to blame for attacks on Jews.

    People can read for themselves what I said, in the full context in which I said it, and it’s NOT what you’re saying I said.

    You constantly crying, “I’m a Jew!”, does NOT absolve you of your many vile and even criminal lies about gentiles and mixed families, but hey, you want to fight dirty, fine, just don’t expect everyone you come after to be cowed into laying there and taking it.

    God, The Creator God of The Old & New Testament is no respecter of persons.

    Acts 10:
    33 So I sent for you immediately, and you were kind enough to come. Now then, we are all here in the presence of God to listen to everything the Lord has instructed you to tell us.”
    34 Then Peter began to speak: “I now truly understand that God does not show favoritism,
    35 but welcomes those from every nation who fear Him and do what is right.…

    Deuteronomy 1:17
    Show no partiality in judging; hear both small and great alike. Do not be intimidated by anyone, for judgment belongs to God. And bring to me any case too difficult for you, and I will hear it.”

    Deuteronomy 10:17
    For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great, mighty, and awesome God, showing no partiality and accepting no bribe.


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  166. Areff a close relative got that phone message from St Vincents on Monday.
    No doubt she’ll also be services no longer required.
    She was already sick of the constant need to do politically correct ‘training’.


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  167. Listening to 3AW Drive again. Elliott argues that the vaccinated can’t even get sick from COVID let alone die, contra all the evidence. So when employers argue for vaccine mandates they are arguing from a deep concern for their employees, not their vaccinated ones, but their unvaccinated ones. They do not want to be sued by their unvaccinated employees because they failed to provide a safe workplace by allowing them to work while unvaccinated! The logic here is incredible.

    Dover, the mental gymnastics are olympics gold medal worthy. This is advocating destroying a person’s life in order to protect them from harm.


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  168. Are you judging me?

    Not at all. I am sure you’re usually a fine man with strong values.

    What I was judging was your vile comments this morning at 8.18 am and 9.00 am, where you set out to demean the older women who post here.

    An apology is in order.


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  169. “does NOT absolve you of your many vile and even criminal lies about gentiles and mixed families, “

    More lies. Yesterday Calli was very polite to you when she asked you to stop trolling her. I’m not so polite…

    Piss off.


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