Open Thread- Mon 11 Oct 2021


Antigone with Polynices’ Body, Sebastien Norblin, 1825

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Winston Smith
October 12, 2021 9:51 pm

Cohenite:
The Nipah Virus – closely related to the Hendra virus.
…and the Greens won’t let us exterminate or even move on our fruit bat population.
When are we allowed to cull them? (The Greens, I mean.) NADT!

rickw
rickw
October 12, 2021 9:51 pm

Trying to get the little bloke brought to work at lunchtime tomorrow so we can catch up in the carpark and I can show him what we do, and he can also see some planes taking off and landing (maybe!)

Guess how that’s working out? “It’s more than 15km…..”

Back in the good old days at Christmas they used to put all the kids on a bus, drive them airside around the whole airport so they could see their dads at work, and then bundle them off and let them stand under a 747. It was so casual that we even used to have our own airside pass book. What a great country it used to be!

MatrixTransform
October 12, 2021 9:53 pm

these people are fucking insane

correct

Crossie
Crossie
October 12, 2021 9:54 pm

Nicholas Reece is a prick.
No shit?
Murray is a fucking idiot for having him on.
The fat fuck thinks it will “liven things up”.
All it does is have people reaching for the remote.

Yes, yes and yes.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 12, 2021 9:54 pm

Back from Bunnings earlier this evening.

Got the ProMax Kindy Kid Woodchipper for the baby parts side interest. Not the Makita or deWalt – the tags on those bad boys were through the roof.

Went the Ozito in the end. I’ll get all the use I need out if just before the two year warranty runs out, then I’ll take it back and get another one.

Gab
Gab
October 12, 2021 9:55 pm

If anyone is concerned about your future privacy and your rights…

Here are 15 relevant, current petitions closing at
midnight Wed 27oct21

?Remember to confirm each one before signing the next one, or your signature will not be valid.
.
Petitions EN3285 and EN3375 already have tens of thousands of signatures:

https://www.aph.gov.au/e-petitions/petition/EN3233
* Freedom of choice – Covid Vaccine

https://www.aph.gov.au/e-petitions/petition/EN3239
* Adopt Rapid Antigen Testing

https://www.aph.gov.au/e-petitions/petition/EN3241
* NO Vaccine Passport / National ID card

https://www.aph.gov.au/e-petitions/petition/EN3266
* End lockdowns, covid 19 principalities & campaigns, open borders

https://www.aph.gov.au/e-petitions/petition/EN3277
* Terminate the Covid19 Biosecurity Emergency

https://www.aph.gov.au/e-petitions/petition/EN3285
* Reject Biosecurity Ammendment Bill 2021

https://www.aph.gov.au/e-petitions/petition/EN3292
* Reject the Doherty Institute report

https://www.aph.gov.au/e-petitions/petition/EN3310
* NO COVID-19 Health Pass!

https://www.aph.gov.au/e-petitions/petition/EN3313
* Freedom of Vaccine Choice in Australia

https://www.aph.gov.au/e-petitions/petition/EN3315
* No vaccination passports or anything similar Australia wide.

https://www.aph.gov.au/e-petitions/petition/EN3350
* Stop Mandatory Covid-19 Vaccinations and Passports in Australia

https://www.aph.gov.au/e-petitions/petition/EN3352
* No to vaccine passports

https://www.aph.gov.au/e-petitions/petition/EN3375
* AHPRA edict silencing health practitioners

https://www.aph.gov.au/e-petitions/petition/EN3381
* AHPRA TO ALLOW HEALTH PROFESSIONALS TO GIVE UNCENSORED MEDICAL ADVICE

https://www.aph.gov.au/e-petitions/petition/EN3364
* The Ivermectin Ban – an authoritarian threat to Public Health

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 12, 2021 9:56 pm

*out of it*

Gab
Gab
October 12, 2021 9:57 pm

Dover, can you please release the post I made at 9.55pm?

It is a list of Government petitions that people can sign before Oct 27.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 12, 2021 9:57 pm

best strategy is to lie, tell them you are, rock up without your phone. waste their time if they reject you

I just say that I don’t carry a mobile phone for religious reasons – I’ve never been questioned about it!

Crossie
Crossie
October 12, 2021 9:59 pm

Back in the good old days at Christmas they used to put all the kids on a bus, drive them airside around the whole airport so they could see their dads at work, and then bundle them off and let them stand under a 747. It was so casual that we even used to have our own airside pass book. What a great country it used to be!

Yes, it used to be a great country. I still cannot put a finger on it when it started to go wrong, the lockdowns are simply final inflection. I think it may have been signing up to UN treaties which got the population thinking that they were smarter than everyone else if our politicians deferred to them.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
October 12, 2021 10:02 pm

On China’s thermal coal conundrum. Rumours I heard was the buyers were getting round the Aussie import ban by buying off middlemen through mainly Indonesia, Aussie coal but laundered.

I am hearing a lot of interest coming out of India now for the thermal variety as their coal is crap and Adani hasn’t fully come online. Metallurgical Aussie coal is still king and will be for a while, unless similar qualities of Peak Downs Grade are found overseas but even if it is there will be a lag time to develop it.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
October 12, 2021 10:05 pm

“The Future is Han.”

Especially given China’s preferences in allocating employment to its own.

Han jobs.

Han jobs for everyone…

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
October 12, 2021 10:06 pm

On China’s thermal coal conundrum. Rumours I heard was the buyers were getting round the Aussie import ban by buying off middlemen through mainly Indonesia, Aussie coal but laundered.

Ditto the grains. Via Cambodia and others, I believe…

Bar Beach Swimmer
October 12, 2021 10:08 pm

Psays:
October 12, 2021 at 9:47 pm

P, I put up a similar comment on the Freedom Day aka Discrimination Day post.

Crossie
Crossie
October 12, 2021 10:10 pm

Paul Murray is now talking to that cadaver Bob Carr. Where did they dig him up from? I just had to switch channels.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 12, 2021 10:11 pm

Rex Angersays:
October 12, 2021 at 10:06 pm
On China’s thermal coal conundrum. Rumours I heard was the buyers were getting round the Aussie import ban by buying off middlemen through mainly Indonesia, Aussie coal but laundered.

Ditto the grains. Via Cambodia and others, I believe…

So the middlemen buy the product here at the going rate, then add their 10% for the Big Guy, and on-sell to China. How’s that economic warfare going for you Xi?

Crossie
Crossie
October 12, 2021 10:12 pm

Ditto the grains. Via Cambodia and others, I believe…

Serves the CCP right, if they didn’t threaten us they could have got it at mates rates.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 12, 2021 10:14 pm

But at least we avoided mention of box-cars, camp guards and piano wire today, so there’s that to be thankful for.

Hmmm…about time to poke the truck v train bear.

P
P
October 12, 2021 10:14 pm

My eyesight is at present not very good. I struggle as is possibly evident with my comments here.
I’ve recently had laser treatment.
Having worked in previous years for an eye specialist I am well aware of what can befall those with eye problems.

This whole covid thing is a bastard.

shatterzzz
October 12, 2021 10:23 pm

Watching the Socceroos making a hash of it in the 1st half against Japan .. can never understand the Oz tactic of constant back-passing .. gets very difficult to score goals when your going the other way .. needless to say we are 1-nil down at half-time …..
Aaaaah! well back to see the 2nd half shenanigans ………. qualification for the World Cup on this form means we’re going there to make up the numbers not compete ….. duuuuuuuuh!

Iron Cove
Iron Cove
October 12, 2021 10:23 pm

Bush:
For NSW in particular can anyone name something in the broader community that now does not require government sanction/approval?

Being able to have our inner thoughts. (And unfortunately I’m not making a joke).

BBS, you might say that now but in the future you will only be allowed to think it.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
October 12, 2021 10:27 pm

Hmmm…about time to poke the truck v train bear.

Woohoo!

***Complicated paperwork and trauma counselling intensifies***

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 12, 2021 10:30 pm

US boosts crime-fighting in rebuff to ‘defund the police’

By David Charter
The Times
4:04PM October 12, 2021
7 Comments

Cities across America are allocating higher budgets for law ­enforcement as the pendulum swings dramatically away from the “defund the police” movement.

Of the 12 big US cities that have approved budgets for the 2022 fiscal year, nine are spending more on the police.

New York found an extra $US200m to bring its police ­budget to $US5.4bn ($7.34bn), while Los Angeles increased spending by $US120m, raising its budget to $US3.14bn.

In the wake of the murder of George Floyd by a police officer last year, thousands took to the streets to demand divesting funds from police departments and reallocating them to non-policing forms of public safety.

However, there has been a steep rise in violent crime across the country and police departments are struggling to meet overtime payments from existing budgets.

Council members in Austin, Texas, voted last year to cancel police cadet classes and cut up to $US150m from the $US434m police budget. Next year the city’s police budget is back up to record high of $US442m, with restored cadet classes and a new curriculum.

There was another big turnaround in nearby Dallas. Eric Johnson, the Democratic Mayor, has reversed cuts to overtime and recruitment to increase the number of officers on the street. Few locals spoke against his plans, which included the hiring of 250 officers. Killings are up 25 per cent in Dallas this year to 252, the highest in two decades.

“As an African-American male who came of age in the 1990s, I remember a lot of people whose lives were devastated by violence,” Mr Johnson told The New York Times. “I don’t want to go back there.”

Last year in Minneapolis, where Floyd was killed, the city cut $US7.8m from the police department but later restored $US6.4m. Jacob Frey, the Democratic Mayor, has proposed a budget for next year that increases police funding. This year’s budget of $US164m has ­already grown to $US180m with extra federal funding.

Mr Frey wants to give the police department $US191.9m to add five classes for new recruits and cadets to increase officer numbers. His budget also includes money to increase health and wellness programs and overtime so officers can work with violence prevention teams.

“Following the murder of ­George Floyd, Minneapolis ­became ground zero in the debate around the future of public safety and a case study in the dangers of grand pronouncements with little planning,” Mr Frey said last month.

Winston Smith
October 12, 2021 10:31 pm

Feelthebern:

The issue the Caledonia Hotel will run into will be their licensing.

Quite right – and the object lesson to the owner will be brutal.
But the object lesson to the public will be eye opening as to how far out of control these governments and bureaucrats are.

MatrixTransform
October 12, 2021 10:37 pm

and the object lesson to the owner will be brutal.

ideological enemies are easily dealt with

I bet the new owner doesn’t have so much personal capital on the line.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 12, 2021 10:38 pm

The issue the Caledonia Hotel will run into will be their licensing.

And possibly a slug on the floor of the kitchen.

twostix
twostix
October 12, 2021 10:39 pm

Surprise!

The South Australian Premier’s department has been deleting QR check-in data after 28 days, but SA Health has been holding onto the information it receives for contact tracing indefinitely, according to a report by the state’s auditor-general.

This data – what it is and what it represents and contains is easily worth hundreds of millions of dollars just so you know.

Arky
October 12, 2021 10:40 pm

I suggest DB post two open threads.
One for the vaxxed and one for the rest of us.
If it’s fine to segregate the rest of the country then the blog should reflect the same for the duration.

Arky
October 12, 2021 10:41 pm

Fuck it.
I’m putting it up myself.

Arky
October 12, 2021 10:42 pm

Thee you go.
Now all you vaxxed arseholes fuck off.
You have your very own open thread.

srr
srr
October 12, 2021 10:42 pm

The Vortex — Grave Papal Sin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM9eRAWZEbI

Oct 12, 2021
Church Militant

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 12, 2021 10:43 pm

Arkysays:

October 12, 2021 at 10:41 pm

Fuck it.
I’m putting it up myself.

What are you putting up yourself?

132andBush
132andBush
October 12, 2021 10:50 pm

Misread that for a second.

Thought it was “waxed”.

Zatara
Zatara
October 12, 2021 10:57 pm

Cities across America are allocating higher budgets for law ­enforcement as the pendulum swings dramatically away from the “defund the police” movement.

Having driven out their experienced and professional law enforcement officers via early retirement or resignations in disgust, the Democrat city administrations can now fill the depleted ranks with their heavily indoctrinated young leftists.

Colour me surprised.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 12, 2021 10:58 pm

132andBushsays:

October 12, 2021 at 10:50 pm

Misread that for a second.

Thought it was “waxed”.

Unless you are doing it at home, I think that is banned too.
Or maybe it comes under essential works – fuel reduction slashing before summer?

Plasmamortar
Plasmamortar
October 12, 2021 10:59 pm

The indoctrinated, transgender, all inclusive police force is the best thing we can hope for when purge day arrives.

It will tip the odds a lot more in the favour of those defending freedom if they are facing off against overweight spineless weaklings.

132andBush
132andBush
October 12, 2021 11:01 pm

Arky,
We’ll also need an “essential services “ thread.

Where everyone, regardless of vax status, can mingle.
Call it the supermarket thread.

Arky
October 12, 2021 11:10 pm

Where everyone, regardless of vax status, can mingle.

..
Sounds risky.
I’ll get back to you after I’ve spoken to the solicitors.

Winston Smith
October 12, 2021 11:20 pm

Indolent:

This is Grace Smith.
Grace is a 16-year-old junior at Laramie High School who was arrested and removed from school in handcuffs.

Your link is blocked by WordPress.

Zipster
Zipster
October 12, 2021 11:26 pm

Straight-A student, 16, is HANDCUFFED and led to jail by cops for trespassing on school grounds after being suspended for refusing to wear a face mask
Grace Smith, 16, has racked up three suspensions and $1K in trespassing fines
The unmasked junior was arrested after refusing to leave Laramie High Thursday
The self-described straight-A student believes that people should have ‘the freedom to wear a mask if they choose’
In a video, her father followed her into jail as she was perp-walked The school district has had a mask mandate in place since September 8
Last week, Wyoming had a seven-day average of 314.7 cases, up from 34.3 on April 18

Gab
Gab
October 12, 2021 11:28 pm

Dover has released the petitions. The list is here, please sign and spread far and wide.

Winston Smith
October 12, 2021 11:37 pm

Cohenite:

Interesting facts on the uniparty and the global elites:

Where did that come from?
I’m intrigued.

Winston Smith
October 12, 2021 11:39 pm

Delta A:

I advise dover to smite Bird before he takes over, as he did at DashCat, until Adam wielded the weapon of disappearance.

What nom de blog is the avian pestilence under this time?

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 12, 2021 11:48 pm

That’s just for tomorrow.
I need the paperwork to come through pronto.
I can’t afford $1,562 x 12.

Reckon that’s bad? I went to collect mine and they said I need to complete a Cert III by December.

Miss Anthropist
Miss Anthropist
October 12, 2021 11:49 pm

I intend to start wearing a mask when all this madness is over.
Owners of late night convenience stores may not like it.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 12, 2021 11:50 pm

And get a new EPIRB.

Lysander
Lysander
October 12, 2021 11:52 pm

Ugh… for work, I’ve been from Perth to Kelleberrin, to Newman, currently in Meekatharra and Mt Magnet tomorrow night…hopefully home by Thursday but may need a rather large deviation via Northampton yet… that’s about 2000kms in three days…

“Such is politics”

I should hopefully be my belligerent best and back by Friday… ?

Arky
October 12, 2021 11:59 pm

The issue the Caledonia Hotel will run into will be their licensing.

..
I snogged a barmaid there.

Arky
October 13, 2021 12:03 am

Of course I was 15 years younger and 30 kilos lighter at the time.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 13, 2021 12:14 am

To my detractors:

I would like to go back to the study itself before saying anything more.

It was an ongoing cohort study. It was not a clinical randomised control trial, the best way of assessing outcomes, although some have now been set up. In a prospective cohort study, judged against wider population parameters for a given indice. Data is constantly incoming as pregnancies progress and the analysis is of a point-in-time nature, complicated by slowness in follow up.

The study looked at clinical data from 35,691 pregnant women but concentrated on 3958 pregnant women enrolled in a tracing registry. Among the 1224 pregnant women in this group who had been vaccinated before conception or in the first trimester, follow-up through to 20 weeks of gestation had been completed for only 204 pregnancies (an extremely low number which should never had been reported on at that stage). With those pregnancies of less than 20 weeks gestation, only ten were known to have ended (8 ectopics, 2 induced abortion) leaving 905 pregnancies in this early gestation where follow up had not occurred. A query was raised concerning the apparent denominator of 827 completed pregnancies against which an RR had been placed and it was agreed this figure could not indicate a risk estimate rate of spontaneous abortion, which occurred in 104 pregnancies in the first two categories which were incomplete. Clearly, the spontaneous abortion figure of 104 is meaningless unless related to the N=2139 which at the preliminary reporting stage was only partially followed up. Data from the missing 905 pregnancies has since been included in an updated analysis in which spontaneous abortion at <20 weeks gestation is established as consistent with the risks of abortion in the general population.

So that explains any inconsistencies in 'the denominator'. Basically, it was a study reported before all relevant data was available where the true denominator for the categories of up to 20 weeks gestation was 2139 and the numerator had still to be established. I first commented some weeks ago on a single page of this study in which it seemed to me that enthusiastic individuals were trying to 'fit' a numeric back-story of the critiqued denominator into two columns, one an RR for population in general and the other an RR for the cohort under study. If Timothy would like to put up his original link and the comment he made accompanying it and my response at the time I would be happy to explain how I analysed the single summary page presented there which did seem to be trying to ‘fit’ some of the numbers bandied about re this admittedly irregular denominator and its supposed numerator into the two column presentation, believing the two columns to be related within the one study. People who had half-heard of this mix up may have been those who were doing this; my surmising there. I have no idea when my initial response to Timothy’s claims of very high rates of spontaneous abortion was. I don’t live on this site, don’t recall all of its ins and outs, and also do not see everyone’s commentary. I certainly don’t jump to answer it when I am busy. I do not accept Timothy’s critique of the mode of this cohort selection, as the method is quite appropriate and useful for descriptive statistics of a cohort nature. It has been the implementation that has been at fault. As I say above, this is not an RCT, and Matrix asking me to put a logarithmic perspective on it simply shows his ignorance.

Timothy’s 1,2,3, faceplant nonsense is a sad picture of how unwilling people are to listen to each other here. There is probably more I could say about it all, but I will leave it at that.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 13, 2021 12:20 am

Reckon that’s bad? I went to collect mine and they said I need to complete a Cert III by December.

You can get an exemption from doing the Cert III if you have extensive practical experience in the field.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 13, 2021 12:20 am

‘It was’ a prospective cohort study

not ‘in a’

Arky
October 13, 2021 12:23 am

The study looked at clinical data from 35,691 pregnant women but concentrated on 3958 pregnant women enrolled in a tracing registry. Among the 1224 pregnant women in this group who had been vaccinated before conception or in the first trimester, follow-up through to 20 weeks of gestation had been completed for only 204 pregnancies (an extremely low number which should never had been reported on at that stage). With those pregnancies of less than 20 weeks gestation, only ten were known to have ended (8 ectopics, 2 induced abortion) leaving 905 pregnancies in this early gestation where follow up had not occurred.

..
Yeah, that’s clear as.
Take it to the vaxxed open thread sister, where such things belong.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 13, 2021 12:28 am

Yeah, that’s clear as.

Try harder, Arky. You can do it if you try.

I am simply responding to people who have insulted and abused me on this open thread so the response belongs here, to them and to the 21 people who egged them on with it. I am not at fault, not face-planting nor beclowning myself, as accused, and any fairminded person with a basic knowledge of cohort studies should not find the above material a difficult read.

Arky
October 13, 2021 12:32 am

Yeah, well I haven’t attacked you, but that explanation was crap.
What is the population of this part of the study? 35,691, 3958, 1224 or 204?
I still don’t know.

Gabor
Gabor
October 13, 2021 12:32 am

Anti Semitism has never been welcome at the cat, and Graeme afaik has been here since the very beginning when fractional reserves were topic de jour, though since I arrived in late 2013 he was usually being booted as quickly as he reappeared.
What utter tosh you spout to defend the indefensible, and what could possibly be your motive to want the site awash with blatant disgraceful conspiracy laden antisemetism?

Someone on Sinc’s old blog made the observation that ssr is simply a smarter, more savvy version of Birdy.
She only hints at the more controversial issues, like saying ‘nothing to do with me’ only reporting, don’t shoot the messanger.

Fat Tony
Fat Tony
October 13, 2021 12:40 am

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:
October 13, 2021 at 12:28 am
I am simply responding to people who have insulted and abused me on this open thread so the response belongs here, to them and to the 21 people who egged them on with it.

Lizzie – if you are actually counting the people who gave them the thumbs up, I think it’s time you just offered a hearty ” Get fucked” and moved on.

srr
srr
October 13, 2021 12:48 am

Knuckle Dragger says:
October 12, 2021 at 9:43 pm

You really are a hysterical sheila, aren’t you.

And as for you – sorry, not sorry. Enough of this, you take the last word then “nicely” tell me to stfu or I’m the baddie, BS –

calli says:
October 12, 2021 at 9:22 pm

Hang on, I didn’t read your whole post before returning the ‘courtesy’ with an apology, but now I see … you are very wrong about a lot and somehow now I’m not allowed to explain how.
How very clever of you.

Yet you quoted it.

Stop lying. Please. Now leave me alone.

I told you what was happening as it was happening.
I was tired, rushed & careless.

I was responding to the Hillery-esqueness of bundling “outcasts” up as “the baddies”, when especially in this current situation it is the very opposite.

You complained, I realised I didn’t edit out your name, started to apologise with the same haste then saw how you ended your complaint and now I have no doubt as to the difference between your online persona & the real world you.

“I quoted it.”, NO, I copy & pasted it, like most people do; copy from first to last word, paste it, then sometimes edit out the unnecessary bits.

As I was replying I saw ‘the unnecessary bit’ was actually KEY.
It supported what others also saw in your, “bless you”; someone who’s ‘blessings’ are intended to be a curse.

You can’t play the suffering saint, spit BS at someone and then demand they have no right of reply.
That’s not just cowardly, it’s Dan Andrews level of a little dictator denying the human right to protest the injustice of false accusations.

srr
srr
October 13, 2021 1:23 am

A freedom which is interested only in denying freedom must be denied

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1WY3mWbyaY

Oct 12, 2021
Real Rukshan

Why is having freedom through denying others freedom being celebrated in our country? Can we describe what is happening in the vaccinated economy in NSW as a form of segregation and apartheid?

According to some because there is a “choice” to participate such criticisms are not warranted, yet does such an argument make sense when we consider the blatant forms of coercion being applied on that “choice”?

“A freedom which is interested only in denying freedom must be denied” ~ Simone de Beauvoir

Freedom Day in NSW – Realtime with Rukshan

srr
srr
October 13, 2021 2:32 am

Gabor says:
October 13, 2021 at 12:32 am

Anti Semitism has never been welcome at the cat, and Graeme afaik has been here since the very beginning when fractional reserves were topic de jour, though since I arrived in late 2013 he was usually being booted as quickly as he reappeared.
What utter tosh you spout to defend the indefensible, and what could possibly be your motive to want the site awash with blatant disgraceful conspiracy laden antisemetism?

Someone on Sinc’s old blog made the observation that ssr is simply a smarter, more savvy version of Birdy.
She only hints at the more controversial issues, like saying ‘nothing to do with me’ only reporting, don’t shoot the messanger.

I’ve had a long & interesting life.
I’ve learned from a lot of very interesting people, but I don’t name drop like some.

Public forums are about sharing information, ideas & messages.
I mostly share links to things for others to think about for themselves or not, as they will.
However, when names on the net, particularly the same groups of names, consistently attack a poster personally while ignoring or mocking the content of their posts, it’s generally a safe bet that the attackers are agenda serving narrative pushers.

When they consistently attack with made up shit, it’s a very safe bet they’re also arseholes.

How many times did agenda serving narrative pushing arseholes demand Trump, “disavow the KKK”?
How many times was enough?
That’s right, it will never be enough times for the bullshitting arseholes.

Yet every time someone cries, “Bird!”, I’m supposed to be reading them live and break out into my 2 Minutes of Hating Bird louder than everyone or … what?
Seriously, WTF is wrong with the people who play that demonic game but somehow believe everyone else sees them as ‘the good guys’?

When they insist I can’t have Jewish family I love, when they criminally, racially vilify Ukrainians (you know, that thing you all say is the reason you want the blog protected from the bird), by saying, ‘it’s in my Ukrainian blood to hate Jews’, and a whole lot of other foul bullshit in a desperate effort to have me tarred & barred as a, “Bird MK2”, well that’s just about as low as you can get.

johanna
johanna
October 13, 2021 3:43 am

srr, ‘tired, rushed and careless’ and ‘too many tabs open’ are not excuses. Nobody is forcing you to be a martyr who barely eats or sleeps in the Quest to Monitor the Internet and Save Us.

Like all crusaders, you are driven by an egotistical belief that you have a unique insight and it is your bounden duty to impose it on the rest of us.

You put up some valuable links, but there is a lot of crap we have to put up with as well. Particularly the victim nonsense about how tired you are and how many tabs you have open. You can’t manage your own life, but you have strong views on how others should manage theirs.

As for your attacks on calli – that’s when you hit the wall with me. I’m not saying calli is beyond reproach (no-one is) but you have seriously lost the plot in that case.

johanna
johanna
October 13, 2021 3:53 am

Say what you like about the French – they do have a certain amount of style.

For example, a teenager used President Macron’s QR code to book into a hospital.

Kewl!

Rest assured that the security of your persnal information is better than that of the President of France.

Yep.

Tom
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feelthebern
feelthebern
October 13, 2021 5:12 am

Mark Knight. Awesome. It’s not just Victoria. It’s Australia.
Australia reminds me of George driving Susan’s parents to his imaginary house in the Hamptons.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 13, 2021 5:20 am

Intel is accepting proof of having COVID as an alternative to being vaccinated.
Science actually winning.

Winston Smith
October 13, 2021 5:43 am

Rex Anger:

I have acquaintances who have known Chinese friends who pointed out the spies, monitors and commissars policing them in Oz universities some years back, or were subject to blatant ‘recruiting’ or cultivation attempts.

Whatever happened to those cars with Chinese writing on them?

rosie
rosie
October 13, 2021 5:48 am
Mater
October 13, 2021 5:54 am

Intel is accepting proof of having COVID as an alternative to being vaccinated.
Science actually winning.

In Victoria, you get a ‘Covid Passport’ exemption if you’ve had a PCR proven case of Covid. Doctors won’t give you a jab.

I’m turning my approach to getting a test everyday until I get one of those inevitable false positives. I might even score $450 in the process.

I look forward to the day I can rejoin the human race.

rosie
rosie
October 13, 2021 5:57 am
struth
struth
October 13, 2021 6:02 am

There seems to be a lot of butt hurt amongst the historically ignorant wrongologists here who have no shame so keep commenting hoping that sheer numbers of comments will erase the memory of their niave, stubborn and very wrong yet abusive take on this coup d etat.
We see it plays on their minds as every day they are more wrong and everyday those they mocked are more right.
Unfortunately we so called conspiracy theorists have been right all along.
And that’s because we never were conspiracy theorists.
Those of weak character were denying the truth and abusing those intent on speaking it.
The shame of it is in making what could have been great blogs , backwaters of mediocrity.
There are more people on twitter who get what is happening .
People here still talk of Scomo being weak…….
You can lead a denialist to the waters of truth but they will refuse to dip a toe in and prefer to drown in ignorance.
Self imposed , stubborn and defensive ignorance, lashing out at the truth and the source of it.
And will then deny they have been deniers!

Winston Smith
October 13, 2021 6:02 am

Sadly you can say what you like around the kitchen table at home.
Gillian Triggs – Human Rights Commissioner.

rosie
rosie
October 13, 2021 6:09 am
Winston Smith
October 13, 2021 6:12 am

Plasmamortar:

It will tip the odds a lot more in the favour of those defending freedom if they are facing off against overweight spineless weaklings.

In those countries that have banned weapons for the masses, it will be a joy to relieve the overweight, spineless, weaklings of theirs.

rosie
rosie
October 13, 2021 6:14 am

Queenslanders voted Palaszczuk back to defend them from the virus.
Over 70 percent of Queenslanders now have a first dose of the vaccine.
Not true! shrills a pipsqueak, it’s only 20 percent according to ImakeitupasIgoalong!

struth
struth
October 13, 2021 6:15 am

I wonder what position a nation that turned up in their millions to honour their war dead who had sacrificed all for their freedom back on Anzac day dawn 2020 (sending a clear message of who was boss to some uppity marxists in our swamps who had recently pulled a coup d’etat but hadn’t cemented it with passports), would be in now.
The surrendering compliant shit that is Australia.

struth
struth
October 13, 2021 6:23 am

And you are the worst notaclue.
Yes Queensland voted……like the USA voted for Trump.
Have you sat with all you segregated mates sipping your lattes with all your other surrender monkey mates?
Shown your good German passes?
Oh sorry, you’re in Victoria.
Is it stage two still (in your mind)?
Signed NANNAKILLA

Cassie of Sydney
October 13, 2021 6:23 am

“johannasays:
October 13, 2021 at 3:43 am”

Well said.

rosie
rosie
October 13, 2021 6:25 am

And notice how ussr’s excuse was ‘very tired’ at 8 pm last night but still managed to keep commenting throughout the night.
Valiant effort.

struth
struth
October 13, 2021 6:26 am

And obviously bird is here.
Oh dear………….
That’s a bit awkward isn’t it?

rosie
rosie
October 13, 2021 6:26 am

You really need some new material mr 20 percent.

Cassie of Sydney
October 13, 2021 6:43 am

“Also, Bird’s most diabolical conspiracy theories are about the Jews. Where are you on that?”

I note your question from last night remained unanswered JC. Perhaps she was too tired.

struth
struth
October 13, 2021 6:44 am

Through denialism we have lost our country.
It was obvious from the very day Scommunist closed the borders and told us they were going to wipe their arses with our constitution and order us into our homes for two weeks.
There should have been immediate protests and dragging of politicians from offices.
Anyone with half a brain knew it was not about health.
Denialism meant trying to believe it was about health and in doing so we lost everything.
Everything.
Freedom , the future for our children, the ability to be with our own families and loved ones…and wealth and so much more already and the camps are nearly finished.
These pricks are only warming up.
Denialism allowed them to cement their coup d etat and those denialists who so loudly dismissed and mocked those speaking the truth…..those who voted for a social credit passport by getting the jab ,who have now segregated themselves from those standing firm shall forever be condemned.
Fuck you.

rickw
rickw
October 13, 2021 6:44 am

More tales from a great country:

One of the previous managers used to keep his Lithgow.22 in the workshop. In the evenings he used to go down into the tank farm and shoot rabbits. Turns out this was a pretty critical job. About 10 years after he left there was a tank floor repair that cost a couple of $100k caused by rabbits undermining a tank.

All the companies used to have their own operations at site. One of the other company manager brought a new rifle and shotgun, so he brought them to work. We all casually stood around in the carpark checking out his new acquisitions, any passenger on a landing flight would have been able to see us.

The dog squad used to come over and do training in the workshop. Before they came out the .22 would get taken out of the cupboard and hidden somewhere. They used to think it was good training, lots of distractions and different smells with a gun hidden amongst it all.

All of the old crew were from the 6:00pm closing time era. If you went for drinks with them at 5:00, you had to fight your way through an ever growing que of pots, by 6:00pm it was all done.

In the office we had two admins, the Italian Princess and the Lebanese Princess. They were really Princesses, both very attractive women. The only downside was the Lebanese Princess was shit at her job! (She walked in for the interview, sat down, old manager shoves a piece of paper in front of her, what’s this? You’ve got the job!) Lebanese Princess wanted to go on an extended holiday, they convinced her that she needed to resign. On her last day they took her airside and the QF engineers arranged for her to stand starfish fashion in a 737 intake. Cool photo. When she came back from holidays she visited and brought her holiday album. The manager mentioned above and I had to endure flicking through about 100 photos of her in a white crocheted bikini on different beaches around the Mediterranean. 🙂

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
October 13, 2021 6:50 am

It’s baaack…

Cassie of Sydney
October 13, 2021 6:54 am

“It’s baaack…”

Yep, it’s very reminiscent of the alien from the Alien movies.

struth
struth
October 13, 2021 6:57 am

The only thing to bet on is who goes first.
People like me in the gulags or via the jab within four years.
so far the unjabbed is a far healthier option….a fact that can’t be denied…..but I’m sure us uppity health nuts will get our death jabs one way or another.
As history tells us, invention is not something socialists do not excell at unless it comes to ways of killing.
None of us will collect on that bet.
Thanks denialists……

struth
struth
October 13, 2021 6:58 am

Do excel

Dot
Dot
October 13, 2021 7:10 am

And notice how ussr’s excuse was ‘very tired’ at 8 pm last night but still managed to keep commenting throughout the night.
Valiant effort.

It would have been 10 AM in her basement in eastern Ukraine.

calli
calli
October 13, 2021 7:14 am

Bruce said something interesting last night about typing up comments and then deleting them.

I find myself doing that more and more as the days go on. It’s self-censorship, much like the teenagers and young mums must do when their much-loved forums become hostile. It’s becoming difficult to be candid and honest.

Dot
Dot
October 13, 2021 7:16 am

Geez Pelosi is a disgusting lunatic.

Memeology 102

Pelosi gets too excited over IRS power to track all bank accounts valued over $600.

https://youtu.be/dsnUaUkiG7E

rosie
rosie
October 13, 2021 7:17 am

I don’t see why it should be.
Rarely notice anyone apparently holding back.

calli
calli
October 13, 2021 7:20 am

I was talking about myself, rosie.

Cassie of Sydney
October 13, 2021 7:32 am

Go away Graham/Bird. Nobody likes you or cares for you here. Your sole purpose is to destroy this site, just like you destroyed Adam’s site and just like you spent years trying to destroy Sinc’s site. I had a look at Adam’s site yesterday afternoon, something I rarely do now, you popped up there too, boasting about how you were here on DB’s site causing trouble and being offensive. So, it’s quite clear you know what you’re doing and you get a kick out of it. You are being deliberately malicious because your aim is to destroy this site by driving people away. Your whole shtick is tedious, it’s all based on “Jew this or Jew that”. Perhaps you were amusing and clever once but not any more. Your obsession with blaming Jews is sad and pathetic. You know full well that no site can tolerate such anti-Semitism yet you arrive here spraying around your offensive garbage…..which clearly shows your ongoing spite and malice. Normally I would advise you to seek help but people have been asking that of you for many years and you either haven’t or it has made no difference. So, I politely ask that you go away and stay away….because nobody likes you here and nobody wants you here.

Cassie of Sydney
October 13, 2021 7:35 am

“Bruce said something interesting last night about typing up comments and then deleting them.”

I think we all do that on occasion. It’s normal.

rosie
rosie
October 13, 2021 7:36 am

I think most of us do, some not 🙂

calli
calli
October 13, 2021 7:36 am

Lol. I thought I was the only one. There’s hope for me yet.

rosie
rosie
October 13, 2021 7:37 am

Much talk about NSW next step happening next Monday.
Seems highly likely.

Baba
Baba
October 13, 2021 7:38 am

Doctors will be based at 50 high schools across Queensland from next year.

Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk made the announcement today, saying consultations would be free.

The pilot program will be rolled out from May.

The Premier said it would make healthcare more accessible for students.

Contraception, abortions and gender ‘confirmation’.

calli
calli
October 13, 2021 7:38 am

And speaking of Bruce…those butcherbirds. They’re still over here loading up on mince and taking it back to the nest (s). No sign yet of fledglings.

We appear to be feeding an army.

Winston Smith
October 13, 2021 7:38 am

China in Focus:
A war with China would be bad…*
I think Tiffany is cute.
She needs to do these presentations nude for greater audience pleasure.
OK – we’ll allow her 4″ heels.

Winston Smith
October 13, 2021 7:42 am

…on a more modest note:

” So now you finally have Japanese politicians and officials very clearly stating that there is real concern about a Taiwan scenario. And the Japanese are now thinking about what they need to do in response to that, either unilaterally or with the Americans. But the Chinese have woken up Japan finally. And it’s about time.”

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 13, 2021 7:44 am

I find myself doing that more and more as the days go on. It’s self-censorship, much like the teenagers and young mums must do when their much-loved forums become hostile. It’s becoming difficult to be candid and honest.

I don’t see the problem, Calli. There’s the resident bird loony picking on Cassie, and srr is a bit weird. Struth and a few others are mad at you for getting the jab. Most of us like you and admire you for fighting against the pressure for so long. I’m sorry that you gave in, but I don’t know the sort of pressure you were under. It must have been formidable, you’re a strong woman and uncommonly sane and sensible.

Don’t go under the pressure here. It’s not worth it. Say what you believe is true. I probably won’t always agree with you, but I’m interested in your opinions.

rosie
rosie
October 13, 2021 7:46 am

If the 80 percent is going to kick in in NSW this week the international flight cap also goes very quickly, and presumably home quarantine option is going to start. I can’t see why it is more difficult to monitor international returnees than domestic covid cases.
People will be able to get back to Australia but not their home states.

Cassie of Sydney
October 13, 2021 7:49 am

“Most of us like you and admire you for fighting against the pressure for so long”

Indeed but we we like and admire Calli for many things.

Mater
October 13, 2021 8:00 am

It’s becoming difficult to be candid and honest.

Calli,
I’d suggest much of it is good natured ribbing…I’d certainly suggest Arky’s is.

But really, I’m sure even Leonidas and his 300 gave way a bit before pushing back hard. As I’ve previously said, a resistance which is unemployed, destitute and destroyed is of no use to anyone. We will all resist and fight back as our individual circumstances dictate.

Think of it this way; how many people within and outside your family have been forced to rethink the situation as a result of your stance? You may not have convinced them all, but you got them thinking.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 13, 2021 8:02 am

Indeed but we we like and admire Calli for many things.

True. I was thinking about her in the jab context because she obviously found domestic pressures distressing. I don’t think less of ppl for being jabbed. There are any number of reasons for taking it. There are reasons for refusing it, too.

One of my main reasons for refusing it is the insane coercion from the state; like most, if I’m asked nicely I’ll do pretty much anything I’m asked, but when bullied, I fight back.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 13, 2021 8:11 am

The best bits of an outstanding post from johanna earlier this morning:

srr, ‘tired, rushed and careless’ and ‘too many tabs open’ are not excuses. Nobody is forcing you to be a martyr who barely eats or sleeps in the Quest to Monitor the Internet and Save Us.

Like all crusaders, you are driven by an egotistical belief that you have a unique insight and it is your bounden duty to impose it on the rest of us.

You can’t manage your own life, but you have strong views on how others should manage theirs.

That last sentence could apply to more than just ssr, the Prediction Victim Queen.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 13, 2021 8:16 am

Speaking of which:

Mr Busby – if you could relate the story about how you repeatedly interfered with your sick father’s medication to the point where it killed him (but not before you were banned from the hospital), it would be appreciated.

Twostix
Twostix
October 13, 2021 8:18 am

This place is drowning in boomer women treating it like a therapy session at coffee club.

It’s been funny watching the social dynamics here.

Two queen bees who live here permanently enforce the conduct and heavily police their little sewing circle of old ducks.

Calli was completely ignored during her short tribulation by those two – aside the occasional passive aggressive barb, now that she has capitulated she receives gushing praise and they now love her long time.

Woe betide the woman who confronts and mixes it up with them (which is why none ever do except one or two permanent social outcasts).

Indolent
Indolent
October 13, 2021 8:21 am

This presentation by Real Rukshan linked by srr above is truly brilliant. He covers it all in 10 minutes.

rosie
rosie
October 13, 2021 8:24 am

If ever I’m looking for a hot take* I know where I can find one.
*or ‘facts’ manufactured out of whole cloth

Cassie of Sydney
October 13, 2021 8:27 am

“Two queen bees who live here permanently enforce the conduct and heavily police their little sewing circle of old ducks.”

A nasty comment……care to name the “queen bees/old ducks”?

If you’re inferring me, I believe to jab or not to jab is a matter of individual choice and I’ve been pretty consistent. I don’t see it, like you do, as akin to choosing a side on the eve of a world war.

shatterzzz
October 13, 2021 8:29 am

One for the fishermen out there .. take this bloke home to meet the missus .. LOL!
https://twitter.com/i/status/1447864627962990598

calli
calli
October 13, 2021 8:31 am

Enough! Here is what I wrote this morning. Didn’t delete it but saved it. Glad I did.

Neither rosie nor anyone else here had anything to do with a decision made some time ago. If anything here precipitated it, it was the vitriolic stuff about lining up my grandson for the shot last Wednesday night. That came on top of my sorrow about him and a renewed pressure from elsewhere.

This children’s playground, once occupied by adults, has you going from zero to Joan of Arc and back to zero, simply because you do something they don’t “like”. Talk about “purebloods” while bleating about nazis and fascists. Collaborators and 1945 haircuts. Sneers about “Road to Damascus” moments and bowing to social pressure.

It’s all bombastic bullshit of course. I envy women who have the support of their husbands to remain un-jabbed. You are most fortunate. And the men here who have made a stand and are leading your families by example…you have my unreserved admiration.

I hope honest commentary isn’t dead here. Anyone with a different view would definitely have to think twice about opening their traps. I know it’s a joke, but we appear to have segregated threads now. Perhaps we could also have “thoughtful” and “frothing” threads too.

Cassie of Sydney
October 13, 2021 8:35 am

“callisays:
October 13, 2021 at 8:31 am”

Superb Calli…it should be a thread of its own.

shatterzzz
October 13, 2021 8:35 am

Who’d a thunk it .. BAT FLU vax is halal certified .. surprised that hasn’t been mentioned in the media …….. nice bit of pocket money for whoever cops the fees in the religion of pieces mob!

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 13, 2021 8:35 am

This place is drowning in boomer women treating it like a therapy session at coffee club.

Most suburban chook runs have less trouble with their old chooks.

Dot
Dot
October 13, 2021 8:37 am

Sorry Cassie.

Fat fingers. I flagged a post I liked.

Bird, go away and do something useful.

Find out for us the marginal rate of transformation of a 150 kg unemployable crackpot into about 15 kg of organic compost.

Call it action research if you must.

rosie
rosie
October 13, 2021 8:38 am

And I like the identification of being ‘here’ on a daily basis as a crime.
It’s social media and people can post as often or little as they please.

I came here, in part, to get away from people like you with your constant nasty barbs against individuals and classes of people you despise, but you couldn’t help yourself, you Freudian philosopher with the deep insights into what ‘coffee club’ women think and talk about, because here you with the same tired boring ‘talking points’.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 13, 2021 8:42 am

Release the nano wrigglers.

calli
calli
October 13, 2021 8:43 am

Bear…

It’s “let slip the Nanna Wrigglers of War!”

A bit like C.L.’s Christian Elephants but more slippery.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 13, 2021 8:47 am

Like all crusaders, you are driven by an egotistical belief that you have a unique insight and it is your bounden duty to impose it on the rest of us.

You can’t manage your own life, but you have strong views on how others should manage theirs.
…………….

That last sentence could apply to more than just ssr, the Prediction Victim Queen.

Oh, my wordy Lordy yes it could.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 13, 2021 8:48 am

This children’s playground, once occupied by adults, has you going from zero to Joan of Arc and back to zero, simply because you do something they don’t “like”. Talk about “purebloods” while bleating about nazis and fascists. Collaborators and 1945 haircuts.

Bang on, calli. As they say in the world of darts, ‘One hundred aaand eiiiiighty!’

Anyone expecting to take life-changing advice from a bunch of anonymous yappers on the internet (me included) frankly won’t have that much upstairs to begin with.

Take it a step further:

‘Madam (or Sir), why did you make that momentous decision that took you away from the path set for you and your family, and which changed all those lives forever?’

‘You see, it was someone I don’t know on the internet. He said I was a scoffer, and I couldn’t bear it any more.’

‘But the bank foreclosed on your house. Your family is torn asunder. You live in a hole in the ground with a tarp over the top.’

‘Well, the upside is I learned to play the guitar. I busk for freedom. Covers, mostly. None of that Yank shit.’

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 13, 2021 8:49 am

I would say more strength to your arm, Calli, but as your avatar’s imposing biceps indicate there is plenty of strength there already.

Courage isn’t the absence of fear, it is defiance of fear. A strong person is not invincible and does not find heavy objects as light as a feather, they find heavy things heavy but can lift them anyway.

rosie
rosie
October 13, 2021 8:51 am

If any keen bird watchers should even be allowed to visit Melbourne again Altona wetlands should be on your to do list.
It’s obviously very popular with local twitchers as I have never seen such enormous camera lenses before in my life.
The only downside is the shared bike and pedestrian path.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 13, 2021 8:52 am

Knuckle Draggersays:

October 13, 2021 at 8:16 am

Speaking of which:

Mr Busby – if you could relate the story about how you repeatedly interfered with your sick father’s medication to the point where it killed him

It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.
Banging on about long-term side effects of a drug the hospital administered to his terminally ill father.
Still, banning Busby in the final days must have given the old bloke a peaceful end, instead of having a screeching failed economist reading medical charts and busily consulting Dr Google.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 13, 2021 8:55 am

My God, Laura Jaye on Skah’s porked up.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 13, 2021 8:55 am

Lots of masks on the streets of Sydney this morning.
The behavioural science groups would be in a lather over the conditioning.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 13, 2021 8:57 am

Isn’t she pregnant KD ?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 13, 2021 8:58 am

In Another Visit to the ATM news:

Xenophon in fresh tilt at federal politics

Cometh the hour, cometh the man.
Writ very small.

miltonf
miltonf
October 13, 2021 8:59 am

Is the Prince of wails really that stupid or does he secretly wish for a reversion to feudalism?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 13, 2021 8:59 am

Yeah, well I haven’t attacked you, but that explanation was crap.
What is the population of this part of the study? 35,691, 3958, 1224 or 204?
I still don’t know.

lol, Arky. They reported on 827 ‘completed’ pregnancies from a much wider cohort of pregnant women in all stages of pregnancy, so it was a very preliminary report and that is the main point, as the editorial in the NEJM recognises strongly. The editorial excuses the confusion in data presentation by noting that the data so far offers pregnant women some certainty that they and their child will not be harmed by the mRNA vaxxes (and as I have noted, this says nothing of future possible harms).

Given the start date of enrolment and the date of the preliminary report, the majority of the completions at that stage were in those who were vaccinated in the third trimester. That’s what they say. But they also refer to 104 spontaneous abortions, a figure which is now agreed to come from only 204 of the participants vaxxed prior to 20 weeks of gestation and it seems from my reading to come also from participants not necessarily found only (if at all) in the 827 women who ‘completed’ pregnancies, as they now say that figure is not the denominator for the 104 spontaneous abortions. In this preliminary report they had to recognise that completion can be either by live birth, by spontaneous abortion, or by some medical intervention (ectopic pregs, intentional abortion) and I’d say they just took the figure of 104 spontaneous abortions and used it because it was the only one they had. As they still had over 900 ‘early vaxxed’ to enquire about and as the 104 figure is very high against only 204 ‘enquiries’, I’d suggest a major confounding bias in this piece of data: that the 104 figure likely represents a considerable number of women from across the enrolled early trimester vaxxed who had self-reported a miscarriage by calling in to notify them of this. When put against the total figure of spontaneous abortions finally obtained by interviewing the other 9oo then the proportions were not out of line with those found in the general population of pregnant women. Why they decided to use that spurious figure of 104 spontaneous abortions is beyond me.

That said, I haven’t drilled right down into the details of their explanation, especially of the life-tables they used, with added participants, to correct their late data and which the editorial in the NEJM cautiously does not see as allowing proper contrast to the population RR, waiting for the RTC’s, hence in the researcher’s revised table they don’t claim a contrast RR. As I no longer subscribe to the NEJM to read the absolute commentary on some of the above I am only surmising.

Life tables, btw, are a bugger, and the basis of actuarial studies. In my demography exam, to be done in half an hour, the first instruction gave a series of lifetime statistics and simply said: ‘construct a life table and then .. etc’. One woman stood up in the exam, said fuck that, that’s impossible in this time, and walked out. I didn’t, persevered, and passed, but it was a brutal examination.

I am not suprised that confusion arose over this reportage, which is often progressive in cohort studies, but it should have been obvious that an error was behind it, for 82% of vaxxed pregnant women were clearly not aborting. Common sense has to come into it somewhere. That was the starting point for my entry into saying what is the data and untangling the mess introduced by later anti-vaxxers from there. The letter pointing out the denominator issue in the NEJM, btw, was very reasoned and did not confuse the issue further, helpfully pointing to some of the difficulties associated with gaining an RR for early pregnacy losses.

Now I am very inclined to take the advice of Fat Tony above and say fuck off to those who would demean me, as did that very confident and astude medico in the demography exam, when presented with a can of worms like this.

Twostix
Twostix
October 13, 2021 9:00 am

Obviously there are quite a few women in total opposition to the resident queen bees. They popped up over the last few days supporting Calli, and make occasional stand alone comments displaying their antivax stance. Names you recognize but rarely see.

In a way Calli was their champion here, an outsider working the system and thriving. Oh the bees buzzed at times at the impertinence of it! Much entertainment.

It’s a given that women who mix it up directly with the sewing circle never last long afterwards. The list is long of those who did and aren’t. So I’d suggest most who are lurking, or post strategically and carefully have learned either through experience or watching others get hen pecked into oblivion to mind their manners when posting on The Girls(tm) comments section of catallaxy.

Speaking of posting hesitancy.

Cassie of Sydney
October 13, 2021 9:01 am

Peter Ridd HC decision today.

rosie
rosie
October 13, 2021 9:01 am

The ABC ran a piece on how freedom day was a step backwards for the people of Gilgandra, will be the same for rural Victoria.
#IStandWithDan

the today show with some awesome news for Victoria

miltonf
miltonf
October 13, 2021 9:02 am

The royal really are odious contemptable people or as someone said on Spiked, ‘rather uninteresting and rather unpleasant people’.

rosie
rosie
October 13, 2021 9:03 am

What a load of rubbish.

Zipster
Zipster
October 13, 2021 9:04 am

China in Focus:
A war with China would be bad…*

This idea we can contain china is problematic. It has never worked in the past.
Just how long do they expect to contain this regime? China looked at the collapse of the USSR and made themselves economically indispensable by stealing and replacing a complacent west’s industrial base. We are now in arms race. How long before china considers itself powerful enough not to be contained.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 13, 2021 9:06 am

Isn’t she pregnant KD ?

Wait. What?

Oh. Er, um.

Ah. Ahem.

No excuse!

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 13, 2021 9:07 am

Busbystein.

The dad story. Let’s hear it.

About how you were wrong.

MatrixTransform
October 13, 2021 9:09 am

Matrix asking me to put a logarithmic perspective on it simply shows his ignorance

Lizzie, I’m not talking about the gibberish study you keep referring to. You talk a big game but never come up with the goods when required. You appear to live in a linear universe without math.

My issue is with mongs like you rationalizing experimentation on everybody so that you can keep you ancient arse outta the grave for five more minutes.

When you double-down with characterizing yourself as noble by alluding to all the dead mothers in Africa your bullshit immediately becomes obvious

If there’s one thing you should do today, is stop fucking talking about yourself.

Take another bath to save humanity

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 13, 2021 9:09 am

Is the Prince of wails really that stupid or does he secretly wish for a reversion to feudalism?

Yes.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 13, 2021 9:09 am

This will come here too, betcha.

Net Zero California Governor Just Banned Backup Generators and Fire Pumps (11 Oct)

No home gensets for you, proles. Sit in the dark and eat your cake.

calli
calli
October 13, 2021 9:13 am

From Bruce’s link:

This is beyond serious. Imagine trying to fight the fire approaching your house, only to have a low battery light start flashing on your fire fighting water pump. Or someone who requires powered medical equipment, like oxygen generators or sleep apnea devices, struggling through an extended power outage without proper treatment for their health condition.

They’ll kill people with this stuff, of course.

And preen themselves as they do it. It’s for the planet.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 13, 2021 9:13 am

Net Zero California Governor Just Banned Backup Generators and Fire Pumps (11 Oct)

No home gensets for you, proles. Sit in the dark and eat your cake.

Presumably there are exemptions that cover politicians, senior officials, significant donors and their businesses which will be deemed as vital as hospitals.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 13, 2021 9:15 am

Oh, It is Bird.

How…underwhelming.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 13, 2021 9:16 am

does he secretly wish for a reversion to feudalism?

I’ll say this for the medieval kings. They got what they had by busting arse. As a potential king, ie a prince, the expectation was that you would spend your time as heir leading armies in your own and other countries. In dismal, sodden Europe, of all places.

Edward of Woodstock (the Black Prince – hi Busbybird) spent his entire life from adolescence tramping across France kicking arse for his father, and he died before getting Lick One of the brass ring.

He wasn’t poncing about on yachts and going to Timbertop before becoming a wacky recluse with unlimited access to OPM, like this one.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 13, 2021 9:17 am

Knuckles Rockerfeller Kosher medicine murdered my Dad and yours also. With mine it was ruthless salt and stomach acid deprivation that no-one could have survived.

Hahaha.

CHOMP.

But you could have saved him if the quacks had listened to you, right?

Delta A
Delta A
October 13, 2021 9:20 am

Winnie, sorry I took so long replying. Monty Busby is Bird. He’s at it again this morning.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 13, 2021 9:20 am

Another climate science paper which finds 2XCO2 to be about 0.5 C.

Climate sensitivity to CO2 lower than UN models project (12 Oct)

That’s about what I found, as did guys like Lindzen and Spencer. Many others also. A 2XCO2 of 0.5 C means that pCO2 would have to quadruple to 1600 ppmV in the atmosphere to increase global temperature by 1 C. Harmless, in other words. Yet ScoMo and his people are destroying Australia to fight a harmless gas, and Albo is even worse.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
October 13, 2021 9:20 am

If there’s one thing you should do today, is stop fucking talking about yourself.

Shirley that is a liberty quote.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 13, 2021 9:21 am

But you could have saved him if the quacks had listened to you, right?

Jooo medicine done him in.

A course of leeches was all he needed, but that was exactly what was denied him.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 13, 2021 9:22 am

One hesitates to think how much hotel chicken Prince Charles has suffered.

“I’ll have the beef, thanks.”

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 13, 2021 9:22 am

Jooo medicine done him in.

I bet the Kaiser could have saved him.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 13, 2021 9:23 am

ALP-aligned bums twitching as Mordoch joins the Zero Emissions push.

News Corp’s Andrew Bolt says his company’s climate campaign is ‘rubbish’

And MrKRudd agrees.

Poor Albo.
Going into the election having vanished from sight for two years, with:

• Nobody to blame for economic mismanagement;
• Vaxx a done deal;
• China a bipartisan threat inoculated against CCP pro-Labor influence;
• Victoria imploding – and WA/Qld shaping up to be Constitutional terrorists;

And now with the whole yummy Climate/Net Zero divide resolved into a detailed ‘We’re going to do it quicker and better’ argument.

Y’canna win on Britnee and the Voice, cap’n. They’re not issues for middle voterland.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 13, 2021 9:26 am

Billionaire Wright family heirs share $320m iron ore dividend bonanza

John Stensholt
Editor, The List
@JohnStensholt
2:25AM October 13, 2021
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Hundreds of millions of dollars of profits and dividends from higher iron ore prices earlier this year are flowing to some of Australia’s richest families.

Two of Perth’s wealthiest and most secretive families shared in a whopping $326m of dividends this year, according to financial accounts lodged with the corporate regulator.

The 2021 annual report for Wright Prospecting, owned by the descendants of Pilbara pioneer Peter Wright – the one-time business partner of billionaire Gina Rinehart’s late father Lang Hancock – shows the huge amounts the iron ore heirs made during the boom times for the commodity in the most recent financial year.

While iron ore prices have slumped in recent weeks, the year to June 30 was a bumper time for the heirs with lucrative deals in place to reap the rewards of iron ore exports to China.

The accounts reveal Wright Prospecting made a net profit of $297.6m for the year to June 30, up from $204.9m the previous year and almost double the result of 2019.

Wright Prospecting is jointly owned by a trio of Perth billionaires and their families who feature prominently on The List – Australia’s Richest 250. Angela Bennett is on one side of the Wright family and sisters Leonie Baldock and Alexandra Burt, daughters of Ms Bennett’s late brother Michael Wright, are on the other, via their private VOC Group.

The trio’s company received $435m in revenue, compared with $301m in 2019, with $215m of income from mining royalties or its share of the Hancock & Wright partnership income.

Wright Prospecting paid its owners $274m in dividends during the year and a further $52m after June 30. It paid company tax of about $129m.

“The company recorded increased revenues from royalties and its interest in the Hancock & Wright partnership, largely due to higher average commodity prices during the year,” the financial report said.

The result sets the scene for Mrs Rinehart’s Hancock Prospecting to lodge a bumper profit result and dividend payout, and reveal the amount of tax it has paid, when it lodges its results with the corporate regulator at about the end of October.

JC
JC
October 13, 2021 9:26 am

Stix

You’re a sociologist now, Twostix.

This place is drowning in boomer women treating it like a therapy session at coffee club.

Before a diaper change, we have no idea what faulty2 will transition to and identify as in the morning. With your expertise, perhaps you can help predict.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
October 13, 2021 9:29 am

Hello Boys!
I’m off for a manicure and whacksing. Back later.

MatrixTransform
October 13, 2021 9:31 am

for the record, I couldn’t give a rat’s arse whether anybody is vaxed except for me and mine.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 13, 2021 9:35 am

Knuckles Rockerfeller Kosher medicine murdered my Dad and yours also. With mine it was ruthless salt and stomach acid deprivation that no-one could have survived.

Dover, this is sheer anti-semitism and surely has no place on your blog.

KD, why sanction this vile blog-wrecker Bird in any way with a comment?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 13, 2021 9:36 am

But you could have saved him if the quacks had listened to you, right?

“This is dire, Nurse. He’s fading fast”
“What should we do Doctor? Call his Cardiologist? Or his Oncologist?”
“No, there’s nothing more they can do. The only one …”
“You don’t mean …?”
“Yes. The only one who can save him is the Failed Economist and a reliable NBN connection.”

MatrixTransform
October 13, 2021 9:40 am

Albo is even worse.

worserer

…nice reading publication that doesn’t doom-shriek

Indolent
Indolent
October 13, 2021 9:46 am

Is the Prince of wails really that stupid or does he secretly wish for a reversion to feudalism?

Excellent question. There’s no doubt he’s as stupid as a post and totally credulous (both obviously amplified in his younger son) but, as someone who’s been given everything life has to offer since birth, he’s also feeling a bit entitled and perhaps slightly peeved about how uppity the lowers classes were getting so, yes, in his heart of hearts, reversion to feudalism is just the thing. Isn’t it wonderful that his beliefs and desires should align to well?

Delta A
Delta A
October 13, 2021 9:48 am

From Twostix bitchy post at 8.18 am:

Woe betide the woman who confronts and mixes it up with them (which is why none ever do except one or two permanent social outcasts).

I have stated previously that I am refusing the so-called vaccine, and encouraging my family to do likewise, on the grounds that nothing is for our own good if we are being forced to accept it.

However, it might eventuate that some might have to submit in the end: two granddaughters working (one to pay her way through uni) and it seems likely that their jobs and future might be finished if they don’t comply.

I will not blame or censure them if that happens, just as I will not blame or censure anyone on this site who has accepted the jab. Quite simply, neither I, nor Twostix nor anyone else, no matter how noble they perceive themselves to be, have the right to direct or judge other peoples’ decisions.

Twostix often calls on his Christianity to illustrate his point. He conveniently overlooks, “Judge not, and ye shall not be judged.”

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 13, 2021 9:51 am

BoN, one of the Idso’s published about his “8 natural experiments”. Came up with 0.4 deg C for CO2 doubling. Sounds about right. Totally insignificant and within the error band.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
October 13, 2021 9:52 am

Matersays:
October 13, 2021 at 5:54 am
Intel is accepting proof of having COVID as an alternative to being vaccinated.
Science actually winning.

In Victoria, you get a ‘Covid Passport’ exemption if you’ve had a PCR proven case of Covid. Doctors won’t give you a jab.

I’m turning my approach to getting a test everyday until I get one of those inevitable false positives. I might even score $450 in the process.

Brilliant!

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 13, 2021 9:54 am

Presumably there are exemptions that cover politicians, senior officials, significant donors and their businesses which will be deemed as vital as hospitals.

No doubt.
Newsom has handed out exemptions to donors so they can water their lawns.
There is no level Newsom will not stoop to.
If you want to have a back up generator on your property, WTF can’t you?

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 13, 2021 9:57 am

Newsom wants two classes of people in CA.
The donor class who can do whatever they want, exemptions for everything.
And an under-class who have to live under the the totalitarian regime.
The good news is, you can get in your car & drive to another state.
Unlike Australia at this time.

rickw
rickw
October 13, 2021 9:59 am

Isn’t she pregnant KD ?

There’s plenty of Asian women who’ve made the fatal mistake of congratulating an Aussie woman on her pregnancy.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 13, 2021 9:59 am

Top of the smh website is how Australia is falling behind on the EV revolution.
I can’t remember that kind of headline when iphones were slow up on the initial update.
Or crocs.

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 13, 2021 10:00 am

In those countries that have banned weapons for the masses, it will be a joy to relieve the overweight, spineless, weaklings of theirs.

A knife can get you a pistol, a pistol can get you a rifle. “Unintended Consequences” John C. Ross

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 13, 2021 10:00 am

My landlord just emailed me wanting to know the vaccination status of my staff.
Delete.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 13, 2021 10:04 am

It was hilarious during the recall campaign to see Newsom out cleaning up homeless camp sites.
All for show, but he looked like a five year old who was told to eat his broccoli.
No doubt Newsom didn’t like what the donor class directed him to do.

Any inconvenience to the political class needs to be cheered on.
I will not vote for Clive Palmer but I look forward to how his retail politics will make so many politicians feel uncomfortable.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 13, 2021 10:06 am

Boomers ruined my life.

Discuss.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 13, 2021 10:06 am

Winston

But the Chinese have woken up Japan finally. And it’s about time.”

“We have woken a sleeping giant, and filled him with a terrible resolve.”

Adm Yamamoto, December 1941

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 13, 2021 10:06 am

Ahh….the benefits of my lease running out in June 2022.
I can ask, do almost anything.
Apart from starting an open fire in the office, there’s not much they can do if they want me & my business to stay.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 13, 2021 10:11 am

Top of the smh website is how Australia is falling behind on the EV revolution.

Haha, good luck with that.

UK Readying New Law Mandating Home EV Chargers Be Shut Down During Peak Hours (12 Oct)

As EV owners are starting to unfortunately learn, electricity to power your “green” vehicles has to come from somewhere.

This is a tough dose of reality that many EV owners in the U.K. could be facing next year now that a new law has been proposed to switch off home EV chargers during peak hours. The law seeks to prevent excessive strain on the grid, according to a new article from Inside EVS.

Transport Secretary Grant Shapps announced the proposed law that stipulates that EV chargers may not function for “up to nine hours a day” to prevent overloading the grid.

Couple this with stratospheric electricity prices and I can see UK drivers voting with their feet.
Meanwhile another bunch of UK electricity retailers look to be going bankrupt this week, and their equivalent of AEMO is squawking.

UK energy crisis implodes as FOUR more firms on brink of collapse – Ofgem in crisis talks (13 Oct)

More ructions also between the EU and the UK today. It’ll be fun if France and the Netherlands turn off their interconnectors in retaliation. Very cold weather is about to hit Britain too.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 13, 2021 10:12 am

We have woken a sleeping giant, and filled him with a terrible resolve.”

In 1943, American shipyards launched more warships, then comprised the Imperial Japanese Navy strength, at that time.

Baba
Baba
October 13, 2021 10:13 am

If you want to have a back up generator on your property, WTF can’t you?

If Newsom doesn’t want back up generators destroying the planet there is a simple solution.

Roger
Roger
October 13, 2021 10:14 am

Net Zero California Governor Just Banned Backup Generators and Fire Pumps (11 Oct)

It’s only a matter of time before this idiocy presents itself here.

The QLD ALP was last night congratulating itself on its zero net emissions by 2050 policy and attempting to embarrass Morrison with it.

Meanwhile, a second public hospital in the state has been the target of claims of malpractice and negligence resulting in preventable deaths.

Priorities.

Baba
Baba
October 13, 2021 10:16 am

feelthebernsays:
October 13, 2021 at 10:00 am
My landlord just emailed me wanting to know the vaccination status of my staff.

Ask to inspect his cock for genital warts.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 13, 2021 10:16 am

Their ABCcess breakfast radio/..

climate, climate, weird piece about how the Yanks are wrong to see Australia as an unfree Calcutta commode, climate..

The highlight was they brought in a Pomgolian who was one of the ubermongs in charge of the UKs transition to green power to say how contrary to reports all was going extremely well and Australia should just pave more of the continent with solar panels “because the sun is always shining somewhere’

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 13, 2021 10:17 am

Didn’t one pick up your dummy after you threw it out of the pram last week?

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 13, 2021 10:18 am

Knuckle Draggersays:
October 13, 2021 at 10:06 am
Boomers ruined my life.

Discuss.

Didn’t one pick up your dummy after you threw it out of the pram last week?

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 13, 2021 10:21 am

“because the sun is always shining somewhere’

If that bloke got his head out of his arse he’d see it was dark or cloudy, but he won’t because he’d have to open his eyes.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 13, 2021 10:25 am

If there’s one thing you should do today, is stop fucking talking about yourself.

So I should shut up and allow myself to be unfairly denigrated and attacked?
You shut up instead, thank you. You are here much more than I am, lol.

There is rationality in my thinking. I am a rational person. This has nothing to do with ‘linearity’ of mind, a peculiar construct of your own invention. I put up reasoned and informed analysis. You push me to ‘use normal logs’ quite inappropriately and scream if I do not, although I can if it is necessary, which in the case in point it was not. You then consider that some sort of mathematical failure. Your problem, not mine. I have said I am not well-versed in mathematics, but I had to be sufficiently up to the mark to gain a credit after a year of Epidemiological Statistics, taught by the Professor of Mathematical Statistics in the Med Faculty at SU in the mid-nineteen eighties. It was hardly the usual Psych 1 and 2 run of plugging a few numbers into a formula. Prof Berry insisted everyone should thoroughly understand and be examined on the theoretical nature of the area under the curve. lol. You need some logs to prop that up. Three dimensionsal hyerplanes in four dimensional space, anyone?

For you, this merely achieves me a foot in the grave. I am far from that.

As for the rest of it, I approve of studying the effects of the vaxx in a cohort of very at-risk of Covid women who voluntary agree to take the vaxx. Any sensible person would collect data on that if they could. I did not raise here the study to which I have had to respond, Timothy did. Let me get psychological and note, Matrix, that you have said you had a disastrous marriage to a feminist PhD once. I suspect you are projecting a lot of feeling about that, quite incorrectly as it happens, onto me. You do not know me. Perhaps if we ever met IRL you might form a different opinion. Others have. There is no way my darling Herr Docteur Professor Hairy would have married one of those. 🙂

Meanwhile, I will not be silenced by ill-wishers such as you.

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