Open Thread- Mon 11 Oct 2021


Antigone with Polynices’ Body, Sebastien Norblin, 1825

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Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
October 13, 2021 2:33 pm
thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 13, 2021 2:36 pm

Are anti-viral meds all very specfic or at least not as general (to some extent) as antibiotics are to bacterial infections.

From memory there were some awful results with early AIDs antivirals.
Hammering one aspect of the thing was no good because it was highly mutateable and the newer strain would just power along.

Its worth keeping in mind the general deadliness of AIDs owes quite a bit to it becoming less deadly over time, whereas the earlier strains took a while to show, but then quickly killed.

Plus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaXAH3ISkXQ

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 13, 2021 2:38 pm

I am very disappointed in the outcome of Peter Ridd’s HC appeal too, but it might be helpful to read the entire judgment before expressing broad criticisms of their Honours.

Yes … free to a point. We should be able to express broad criticism on the basis of the news release. We should of course reserve the narrow criticism until the judgement is released.

[It is a pity that there isn’t a dissent though!]

local oaf
October 13, 2021 2:41 pm

Bruce of Newcastle says:
October 13, 2021 at 1:32 pm

Local Oaf – I think Cat participants may be sensitive about revealing too much about anyone, including Bird. He is a blogger too, and while a pest still deserves the courtesy everyone does.

It was interesting recently – I put a search term into DDG and one of the first-page results was Bird arguing with another well known Cat, but on Bird’s own blog in about 2007. He’s been doing this stuff over and over and over since ‘way back then.

Thanks BON,

I guessed he must have been doing it for yonks.

I have no problem with people as individuals, and he has the right to post his opinions.

I’ll always report any posts with obvious anti-semitic content. I think they actually endanger everyone at the site.

Posts like that give spooks monitoring the site “proof” of the supposed “right wing extremists” they conjure up to frighten government into giving them more money.
Better cashed up spooks results in more glowsticks infesting every space in which we can oppose our fascist governments and their eager media mouthpieces.

Bruce in WA
October 13, 2021 2:41 pm

Essential workers in the Northern Territory will be subject to one of the strictest Covid-19 vaccination mandates in the world to begin in just a month.

Chief Minister Michael Gunner said employees who interacted with the public needed to get least one Covid-19 jab by November 13 or they wouldn’t be allowed back to work and faced a $5000 fine.

The new directions apply to:

• Employees at all jobs that involve interacting with members of the public. For example: hospitality, banking, retail, supermarket, receptionists, hairdressers and beauty therapists
Workers who come into direct contact with people at risk of severe illness from Covid-19, like Aboriginal people or those who can’t be vaccinated

• Employees who work in a high-risk setting where there is a known risk of Covid-19 transmission or outbreak

• People who perform work in essential infrastructure, food or essential good security or supply, or logistics

• The direction also includes a provision that mandates booster shots for those workers in the future.

Employers will be allowed to request proof of vaccination of staff and will be required to keep a register of the vaccination status of all employees.

Some exemptions will be available to those who have legitimate reasons not to be vaccinated. It must be supported by medical evidence.

JC
JC
October 13, 2021 2:42 pm

Will they untangle and prove ultimately robust, or will shortages cascade through the system and permanently break things that can’t be unbroken?

They will come back because folks have a taste for cheap goods and a larger selection. For instance, why would someone buy Australian produced prosciutto when you can buy San Daniele for just a smidgen over? 🙂 The taste is incomparable.

Why would you buy say..Australian made jeans when you can buy American brands for cheaper the price. That is, if jeans were made here.

I’ll give you one example that I was actually thinking about today. The 90s decade, I lived in the US, but we’d come back approx one time a year to visit folks. I’ll never forget browsing a tiny music store here selling CDs here at 35 bucks a sting. The same would be selling in the US mega CD stores at the time for 10 / 12 bucks. There was still a tariff on CDs in OZ. That $35 bucks in say 1993 would be nearing 70 bucks in today’s dollars. We will never again run a high tariff regime. We may end up with embargoes on say China because they act like dicks, but we’ll just source from elsewhere.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
October 13, 2021 2:43 pm

The best way to manage Graeme is to ignore [tolerate]. And if you can’t resist the temptation – don’t engage on topic. Just tell him to get back on his meds. [That tells him he is sick and his b brain is damaged – and as he is a VERY clever man – this is something he hates to hear…

Thanks for the suggestion, Rohrschach. Graeme has been no fun since he started ignoring me and other counter-trolls.

Graeme historically hates being derailed from his obsessions. I can remember enraging him into exiling himself many times over on both the Old- and Dash-Cat.

rosie
rosie
October 13, 2021 2:44 pm
feelthebern
feelthebern
October 13, 2021 2:44 pm

Palmer’s HC decision was about the borders.
Not the iron ore dispute.
My HC comments upthread re Ridd stand.
My HC comments upthread re Palmer, bin.

HD
HD
October 13, 2021 2:45 pm

Wonder if the local military will be up to activities like these if vaxxed?

https://www.bitchute.com/video/OnlJwS2S1NUh/

1:03 ->, 1:38 ->

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 13, 2021 2:45 pm

Some exemptions will be available to those who have legitimate reasons not to be vaccinated. It must be supported by medical evidence.

Im allergic to fascist diktats?

How does any of this shit continue to be legal once the “state of emergency” is gone?

This country can burn.
less than 2 years from shit democracy to shot failed state.

rosie
rosie
October 13, 2021 2:46 pm
struth
struth
October 13, 2021 2:47 pm

When these so called vaccines are killing people and injuring many more, mandating them is murder.
Mass murder.
Fully indemnified mass murder.

JC
JC
October 13, 2021 2:54 pm

Looked over the hedge. Dash Cat looks like it’s almost dead. Adam D is a huge bullshit artist. Promising everything and then simply not delivering. It was a me, me, me attempt and justifiably now it’s now sliding down the bowl and about to hit the water. Good riddance.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 13, 2021 2:57 pm

rosiesays:
October 13, 2021 at 2:46 pm

Cheers Rosie, those numbers looked extremely high to me at first glance.

I think what the writer was getting at the the reported (dodgy as buggery) death rates in China/Asia vs USA.

Im also guessing a lot more fat buggers of all ethnicity in the US not helping their figures.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 13, 2021 2:58 pm

wikr takes money from the CIA.
wikr was the app of choice for Turnbull.

Dot
Dot
October 13, 2021 2:59 pm

No JC.

It was me who delivered nothing.

Anyway,

Will oil go up? 81 USD/bbl on WTI now IIRC.

Old bloke
Old bloke
October 13, 2021 3:01 pm

HD says:
October 13, 2021 at 2:45 pm

Wonder if the local military will be up to activities like these if vaxxed?

I’d bet that our RAN sailors could beat them in a finger nail painting competition.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 13, 2021 3:04 pm

The High Court unanimously dismissed the appeal. The Court held that the intellectual freedom protected by cl 14 of the Enterprise Agreement was not a general freedom of speech. The exercise of intellectual freedom was subject to constraints contained in cl 14, including some adopted from the Code of Conduct. These constraints upon exercise included respect for the legal rights of others, and required that an expression of disagreement with University decision making be in accordance with applicable processes, including confidentiality obligations. The exercise of intellectual freedom was not constrained by other Code of Conduct undertakings, such as respect or courtesy.

This means the University enforced the code of conduct when Ridd was having a crack at other academics at the Uni, but didn’t enforce the code of conduct when the other academics were having a crack at Ridd.
Seriously, it’s like the Kardashian’s are on the High Court.

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 13, 2021 3:05 pm

It was me who delivered nothing.

Was going to back you all the way. But – mate – imaging having to deal with Birdstrikes 24/7!! We know that Adam-D was smashed with the move and couldn’t do this. And what a waste! The dash Cat was it for a while. But we are in a competitive market environment, where really and unfortunately, there can be only one!

Dot
Dot
October 13, 2021 3:06 pm

???

He can appeal again on administrative law grounds?

cohenite
October 13, 2021 3:07 pm

Always run many, many lines of action when going to court.

No mate, you don’t. Apart from anything else it pisses judges off and they will refer to speculative, unsubstantiated claims, wasting the court’s time, wild goose hunts and ultimately that will be reflected in the costs orders such that even if you win over-all there will be an apportionment of your costs based on the Judge’s view of the time wasting. I have seen substantial adverse cost orders for a winning party because they padded their claim.

The fact is the HC has taken a very narrow technical reading of the EA and the academic rights and freedoms which flow from it. In the Judgment of the first instance the Judge took a very expansive view which I suspect may have coloured Ridd’s legal team thinking so they retained a kitchen sink approach. Having said that the contraventions by Ridd of his EA listed by the HC are trivial and reflect on the pampered egos of the other academics; and since this was about egos and the threat to revenue by Ridd’s plain speaking about the GBR those bastards will claim a victory beyond what they have got and a clamp will have been placed on future academic dissent.

If we had a conservative government instead of the cucks we have got they would be all over this introducing legislation which fortifies academic freedom and which supersedes any EA limitations.

JC
JC
October 13, 2021 3:08 pm

Dot,

No, you’re not taking the fucking blame for it. 🙂 He made all these enthusiastic promises and the site ended up with Bird making deplorable blood libel accusations against the Tribe and threatening to kill people, en masse, who didn’t agree with him. He let that crap go on for weeks and then, he finally posts a long laborious comment about how he’s busy running an online candy store and moving his family to another state. He didn’t have 15 minutes a day to clean up the shit Bird had sprayed over the walls and start a new open thread. Give me a fucking break.

cohenite
October 13, 2021 3:08 pm

He can appeal again on administrative law grounds?

Nope.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 13, 2021 3:09 pm

Two further cases will tell me if there is any reason to have hope for Australia, or whether it’s 100% captured.
The Palmer v WA iron ore case.
The insurance companies v the business owners in the business continuity insurance case.
Who knows when they’ll be heard by the High Court.
If it rules in favour of WA & the insurance companies, we’ll know that they’re not trying to even hide it anymore.

Dot
Dot
October 13, 2021 3:11 pm

I haven’t read the judgment yet.

It is concerning that universities have licence to police a code of conduct selectively.

Is this seriously part of their decision?

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 13, 2021 3:11 pm

If we had a conservative government instead of the cucks we have got they would be all over this introducing legislation which fortifies academic freedom and which supersedes any EA limitations.

This.

JC
JC
October 13, 2021 3:11 pm

We know that Adam-D was smashed with the move and couldn’t do this.

Dude, 15 minutes a day is all that was needed to clean the shit off the walls. He could’ve have handed it over to someone else for a time. If you make a fucking commitment then fucking die make sure the commitment gets done or otherwise close up.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 13, 2021 3:12 pm

Is this seriously part of their decision?

Yes.
The EBA which incorporated a Code of Conduct supersedes everything.
All hail the High Court.

Gilas
Gilas
October 13, 2021 3:12 pm

Just say you are waiting for Novavax. Australia has ordered 50 million doses and Greg Hunt says it’ll be here in November…

I put a link to a Fortune article on Novavax in Arky’s Vaxxed thread, well worth reading.
Novavax will likely work better than any mRNA-based abortion because it includes the whole virion spike protein, thus naturally creating a larger variety of memory B-cells and killer T-cells.
Antibody titres ie. host protection, should be higher and last longer than with the current lot.
Efficacy at 90-ish% compares well to the other poisons.

2 problems:
Production of enough doses by the company. Hopefully this isn’t code for “scam”. But one has to wonder why this is still the case 18 months into this pandemic.
and
WEFfing Hunt regulating to make this a booster-only vax, not for any medical reason, but to pander to the current corporates.

Dot
Dot
October 13, 2021 3:12 pm

Oil price prediction. JC. I only pay you from the neck up.

Might sell KAR and OSH.

Plow it into FMG, AMI, JMS.

Zipster
Zipster
October 13, 2021 3:13 pm

Chief Minister Michael Gunner said employees who interacted with the public needed to get least one Covid-19 jab by November 13 or they wouldn’t be allowed back to work and faced a $5000 fine.

fascists have really found their element

JC
JC
October 13, 2021 3:14 pm

Dot

Dude, buy on dips. It’s going to 100 bucks.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 13, 2021 3:14 pm

JCU selectively enforced the code of conduct.
Selectively enforcing anything when it comes to employment law is illegal.

Dot
Dot
October 13, 2021 3:14 pm

The EBA which incorporated a Code of Conduct supersedes everything.

That’s insane.

They’re allowed to enforce it selectively?

Still in shock. Someone slap me.

Not all at once!

Dot
Dot
October 13, 2021 3:15 pm

Chief Minister Michael Gunner said employees who interacted with the public needed to get least one Covid-19 jab by November 13 or they wouldn’t be allowed back to work and faced a $5000 fine.

You can get fined if you quit or work from home, say in IT help??!

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 13, 2021 3:17 pm

How does the Ridd case now impact FWA?
Re EBA’s having shit in them that is contrary to common law & legislation?
Re selective enforcement of codes of conduct?

It’s off to the races to for employers.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 13, 2021 3:17 pm

I thought most people knew who bird brain is. How no-one hasn’t reported him to the Race Discrimination Commission I don’t understand. Being who he was is no justification for putting up with his bullshit.

Arky
October 13, 2021 3:21 pm

It is concerning that universities have licence to police a code of conduct selectively.

..
Not really.
Universities have to die.
This brings that closer.

Cassie of Sydney
October 13, 2021 3:29 pm

“Universities have to die.”

Correct…that’s basically what Peter Boghossian says. They’re beyond any redemption.

Thefrollickingmole
Thefrollickingmole
October 13, 2021 3:31 pm

Arky

With NSW ( I think) planning on importing 2,000,000 more consumption units over a couple of years the units rivers of gold never looked better.

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 13, 2021 3:32 pm

and since this was about egos and the threat to revenue by Ridd’s plain speaking about the GBR those bastards will claim a victory beyond what they have got and a clamp will have been placed on future academic dissent.

The other issue with the clamp on academic dissent … the way I read from the news release this:

He also made comments to Sky News that organisations like the Australian Institute of Marine Studies could “no longer be trusted” and suggested scientists working on the reef were emotionally attached to their subject

The Final Censure was justified only insofar as it relied upon expressions of opinion unrelated to Dr Ridd’s academic expertise, and findings that he repeatedly failed to comply with his confidentiality obligations

These constraints upon exercise included respect for the legal rights of others, and required that an expression of disagreement with University decision making be in accordance with applicable processes, including confidentiality obligations.

I’m thinking that because Ridd was speaking out publicly about the Uni’s dirty washing, he was stomped on [aside from being a AGW caused GBR bleaching denier]. The way I see this heading is that the only forum for dissent is peer reviewed literature. And this means that you are effectively silenced – if you are on the outer – means you can’t and will not get published [Peer review will see to that] and if you talk to the media … here is the Ridd HC precedent.

Dot
Dot
October 13, 2021 3:33 pm

Testing into professions must come back.

A child genius should be able to get a 1st in maths by walking in off the street, getting 100% in complex analysis, leave school and earn six figure salaries for minerals exploration, IT, state treasuries etc.

What good does more school and years of university do for them?

Thefrollickingmole
Thefrollickingmole
October 13, 2021 3:36 pm

2,000,000 debt free consumption units to replace the pale stale ones we ruined with the lockdowns.

Then in 10 years write “studies” saying how dynamic the new arrivals are compared to the locals.

Similar to after “the recession we had to have”.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 13, 2021 3:36 pm

GreyRangasays:
October 13, 2021 at 3:17 pm
I thought most people knew who bird brain is.

But best not to explicitly buy into identifying people here. There is already one former commenter at various incarnations of The Cat who seemed to be busting to be identified and defamed so he/she/ze could expect a payday.

How no-one hasn’t reported him to the Race Discrimination Commission I don’t understand. Being who he was is no justification for putting up with his bullshit.

I think you can take it to the bank that his antics at Dash-Cat at least have come to the attention of more than one agency.

twostix
twostix
October 13, 2021 3:38 pm

Twostix often calls on his Christianity to illustrate his point. He conveniently overlooks, “Judge not, and ye shall not be judged.””

Are you judging me?

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
October 13, 2021 3:39 pm

there can be only one!

There is only one Highlander.

And this is it.

#DeathFromAbove

#RememberTheBlackWatch

Bar Beach Swimmer
October 13, 2021 3:42 pm

(Dot, despite you advice I’ve been scrolling back).

Bruce & Bern thanks for the articles on China & coal and China and surveillance, both were well worth the read.

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 13, 2021 3:43 pm

WEFfing Hunt regulating to make this a booster-only vax, not for any medical reason, but to pander to the current corporates.

I’m hoping that Hunt – who actually is smart – is pushing to prevent the mRNA etc vaxxes being used as boosters. I’d bet that Pfizer has the agreement locking down the Govt – but I’d say it’s silent re booster shots. It is probably also silent re combined COVID/Flu vaccines! Which is where I think Novavax is now heading… [Given it seems that they will not get FDA (and presumable TGA) approvals any time soon.

There is a combined vax trial that’s [I presume] started here in Australia

https://www.usc.edu.au/about/usc-news/news-archive/2021/september/combined-covid-19-and-influenza-vaccine-trials-to-begin-soon

and it actually asked for candidates where:

The early phase trial will comprise 640 healthy adults aged 50-70 who have either been previously infected with the coronavirus or given an authorised COVID-19 vaccine at least eight weeks prior to the study.

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/coronavirus/2021/09/09/novavax-trial-australia/

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 13, 2021 3:44 pm

JCsays:
October 13, 2021 at 3:11 pm
We know that Adam-D was smashed with the move and couldn’t do this.
………………………….
Dude, 15 minutes a day is all that was needed to clean the shit off the walls. He could’ve have handed it over to someone else for a time. If you make a fucking commitment then fucking die make sure the commitment gets done or otherwise close up.

Yep.
Not finding someone in the Cat community to hose the place out every few hours was a big mistake.
It left the (probably unfair) impression that he was in lock-step with Bird’s Nazi ravings.
Perhaps too much of a Lone Ranger.

Chris
Chris
October 13, 2021 3:45 pm

ZK2A from The West Australian:

Future legislative initiatives will focus on firearms reform and extra police powers that try to replicate the disruption to the drug trade seen over the past two years.

I have just about had a gutful of WA firearms reforms. They have cost me thousands of dollars and thousands of hours plus stopped 100,000 good people doing ordinary good things over the last 50 years.
If they increase their embuggerance for the good guys, we should partially take the sector off the air.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 13, 2021 3:47 pm

Sancho Panzersays:
October 13, 2021 at 3:36 pm
GreyRangasays:
October 13, 2021 at 3:17 pm
I thought most people knew who bird brain is.

But best not to explicitly buy into identifying people here. There is already one former commenter at various incarnations of The Cat who seemed to be busting to be identified and defamed so he/she/ze could expect a payday.

How no-one hasn’t reported him to the Race Discrimination Commission I don’t understand. Being who he was is no justification for putting up with his bullshit.

I think you can take it to the bank that his antics at Dash-Cat at least have come to the attention of more than one agency.

He has already identified himself. They are his words. He is not being doxxed.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
October 13, 2021 3:57 pm

What good does more school and years of university do for them?

Send them out without going to uni and in due course they’ll resent missing out on three or four years of sport, ale drinking and partying.

Gilas
Gilas
October 13, 2021 3:59 pm

dover0beach says:
October 13, 2021 at 3:24 pm
WEFfing Hunt regulating to make this a booster-only vax, not for any medical reason, but to pander to the current corporates.
Why is this any of his business? If it is approved, it should be available to anyone requesting it.

The ABC articles keep repeating this.
Assuming all we know is true, there is no medical reason why this couldn’t be used as a primary vax.

Since Governments are now in full fascism mode, they think they can, and will, do almost anything. Post hoc reasoning will be of the post-modern type.

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 13, 2021 4:00 pm

Here is an interesting take on the Ridd decision / background:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-13/qld-controversial-queensland-academic-court-battle-jcu/100534402

The National Tertiary Education Union said the High Court decision was “disappointing”.

But Queensland Secretary Michael McNally said it also affirmed that Dr Ridd was rightly exercising his academic freedom at times.

“The High Court has found that the initial censure that was provided about the comments that were made publicly about the research were actually fine and that the censure shouldn’t have been issued in the first place,” Mr McNally said.

“That is where all of the other allegations subsequently came from — Peter Ridd trying to defend himself in the public domain.

“The subsequent conduct that took place after the initial censure was issued, was not an exercise of academic freedom under the enterprise agreement.”

So …

Peter Ridd was accused of calling a fraud a fraud in the media. For this he was sacked .

Defending himself he said a few things that were supposedly confidential.

Goes to the HC which has now ruled – he shouldn’t have been sacked for calling a fraud a fraud [as he was talking about something in his area of expertise]. But that it was OK to for him to be sacked subsequently since he defended himself in public and breached some confidentiality clause in the EBA.

Uni awarded costs etc. All hail the machine!

Have I got this right?

No one ever expects the Spanish Inquisition!

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
October 13, 2021 4:03 pm

Bikie gangs whacking each other is a self correcting problem, provided there’s no public collateral damage.

The family of Leanne Walters, late of Milperra, would have strong views about collateral damage.
I don’t think warring bikies worry about deaths of innocent children.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 13, 2021 4:05 pm

Chrissays:
October 13, 2021 at 3:45 pm
ZK2A from The West Australian:

Future legislative initiatives will focus on firearms reform and extra police powers that try to replicate the disruption to the drug trade seen over the past two years.

I have just about had a gutful of WA firearms reforms. They have cost me thousands of dollars and thousands of hours plus stopped 100,000 good people doing ordinary good things over the last 50 years.
If they increase their embuggerance for the good guys, we should partially take the sector off the air.

Years ago there was a guy running round Nth Perth/ Mt Lawley area taking pot shots. I called the cops. They came round, I said it was a .22 and most likely a 270 or 308 going by the bark. Oh no you can’t have those in the city. They obviously looked me as not having arms. Then asked how do you know about weapons? Ask xxxxxxxxx in the drug squad. They had that WTFAY look. I’m no-one. Sure enough they caught him a few weeks later with what I said. Borrowed xxxxxxxxx ute one day. when my Landcruiser was lent to another mate for his holiday to SharkBay, he rang up later, :
“don’t worry about the sawn off shottie behind the back seat”.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 13, 2021 4:06 pm

me up as

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 13, 2021 4:07 pm

What good does more school and years of university do for them?

Peter Thiel is god.

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 13, 2021 4:08 pm

Assuming all we know is true, there is no medical reason why this couldn’t be used as a primary vax.

Yes … but Novavax probably will not get approval to be used as a primary vaxx. [In any case even if it does 80-90% will already be vaxxed – so moot].

BUT if it gets approved and your doc gives it to you? Hey … you’re good!

[The only issue is that the Cathedral is forcing governments to not recognised those test volunteers as being vaxxed for the purpose of travel / vaxx certificate. EFFING SLIMES.]

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/pfizer-shots-offered-to-novavax-trial-volunteers-so-they-can-travel-20211009-p58yls.html

[Has anyone done a (double blind randomised multi nation) study on what happens if you are double vaxxed with one vaccine and then double vaxxed with another? Oh – just kidding – jab em with the Pfizer mRNA poison and she’ll be right!]

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 13, 2021 4:09 pm

Are you sure they weren’t doing simple arithmetic?
Like 104/127?

I did not think that this particular crew were doing that. They seemed to be searching for numbers and conflated numbers in the study group with numbers in the population group.

I doubt very much they had read the original paper nor disaggregated its data, albeit that data was, as I agree, compromised. It may be that they had heard from others that there was a problem and were searching for it in their own inchoate way. But they were dead keen to show that 82% of babies really did get aborted.

Water under the bridge now. The study has been corrected and the babies are not at risk.

Now can we please move on?

I’m more concerned with trying to get together a group of vaxxed and unvaxxed Cats for an IRL meet up at last where we can discuss ways forward for resistance in the very parlous times of the present for any who cherish liberty. The apartheid system is alive and people are suffering from it, which is just the start of other suffering the technofascists (love that term) will likely try to inflict upon us.

twostix
twostix
October 13, 2021 4:09 pm

Boomer level Christianity creaks and groans and rises from the grave one last time, two tranny grave diggers rapidly shovel rainbow coloured dirt over it, vaccinated people only allowed into the cemetery, a fag looking effeminate soy poisoned ‘pastor’ holding his bible with 3/4 of the pages missing and crossed out smirks on, his harem congregation peer into the grave. One arm out, its skeletal face turns and looks and points at the young people outside the fence watching the extraordinary spectacle in amazement. Everyone stops, quiet descends, words emanate from its emptiness: “Stop …judging…us” it feebly croaks then collapses under its own weight.

The end.

Crossie
Crossie
October 13, 2021 4:09 pm

So now we know who is advising Melanie Gibbons. She thinks she can’t win her own state seat at the next election but she believes she can win Craig Kelly’s seat. ScoMo keeps proving how vindictive he is. It would serve him right if the seat of Hughes goes to Labor.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 13, 2021 4:12 pm

But that it was OK to for him to be sacked subsequently since he defended himself in public and breached some confidentiality clause in the EBA.

And other academics from the same institution were breaching their confidentiality clauses in the EBA having a crack at Ridd, but that’s ok.

Crossie
Crossie
October 13, 2021 4:13 pm

Yes … but Novavax probably will not get approval to be used as a primary vaxx. [In any case even if it does 80-90% will already be vaxxed – so moot].

Rorschach, if we are forced to have boosters next year why not go with Novavax? It’s only fair since the others have had their payday this year.

srr
srr
October 13, 2021 4:14 pm

dover0beach says:
October 13, 2021 at 12:28 pm

Rebel News
@RebelNewsOnline
Oakville residents wishing to be entered into the bonds of holy matrimony will have to pony up their vax pass to local bureaucrats before their nuptial permit is issued.

Wow. Just wow.

1 Timothy 4:
2 influenced by the hypocrisy of liars, whose consciences are seared with a hot iron.

3 They will prohibit marriage and require abstinence from certain foods that God has created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

4 For every creation of God is good, and nothing that is received with thanksgiving should be rejected,…

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 13, 2021 4:18 pm

I think that this Opinion Piece in Sky News pretty much well agrees with what most are saying here [certainly me].

The concerns Ridd raised regarding the quality of research being conducted at one of our leading universities should alarm every Australian

After today, any researcher who tries to blow the whistle on such allegations in our publicly funded research institutions – and there is enormous reason to believe that such misbehaviour exists – has been warned: don’t even think about it.

You will lose your job for doing so.

https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/high-courts-ruling-against-former-james-cook-university-professor-peter-ridd-is-an-assault-on-freedom-of-expression/news-story/7dbb8ce846400da754c251fa846c438b

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 13, 2021 4:19 pm

Rex Angersays:
October 13, 2021 at 3:39 pm
there can be only one!

There is only one Highlander.

Staple of the Steiner scout lance

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 13, 2021 4:21 pm

Uni awarded costs etc. All hail the machine!

Have I got this right?

No one ever expects the Spanish Inquisition!

Yes, you do have that right. The grinding illogic of his persecution.

The persecuted have no right to speak of employer’s ‘investigations’, to tell their even wives of their persecutions. The Rudd case should have been fought on the natural justice denied to the employee by this ‘confidentiality’ clause in the EB.

It seems universities can set themselves up as Kangaroo Courts on more than matters of sexual accusations where they have made a running. They can now try you in their Court of Anything.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 13, 2021 4:22 pm

Original comment:

Do one for Vic now please. 13 elderly died overnight and all were vaccinated.

Dover:

Surely this is not possible. Somebody help me here.

You ungrateful sod Dover. Can you imagine how much deader those people would be if they weren’t vaxxed?

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 13, 2021 4:22 pm

Rorschach, if we are forced to have boosters next year why not go with Novavax? It’s only fair since the others have had their payday this year

I do hope that if we need to have boosters, then Novavax is the go…

And I understand that it may be cheaper than Pfizer and certainly Moderna!

Based on a supply agreement with the U.S. government, the Novavax vaccine will be priced at about $16 per dose, below the $19.50 for Pfizer’s vaccine and as much as $37 per dose for Moderna’s.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2021/02/01/novavaxs-highly-effective-vaccine-could-be-a-game-changer/?sh=6e58bfbf3cfe

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 13, 2021 4:23 pm

Now all unis need to do is to be allowed by the high court to make their laws retrospective and they will be on the same level as WA!

Crossie
Crossie
October 13, 2021 4:23 pm

I attended a staff meeting this week (zoom) and was horrified with some of my colleagues. There were a number of them who were indignant that they may have to work with unvaccinated colleagues after 1st December. I’m glad the management weren’t concerned and simply stated that they will follow the government’s advice.

What is wrong with these people who think of themselves as smart and compassionate?

JC
JC
October 13, 2021 4:24 pm

4 For every creation of God is good,

Oh yea?

Mosquitoes may have killed half the people who ever lived

Read more: https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg24332420-500-mosquitoes-may-have-killed-half-the-people-who-ever-lived/#ixzz799IXsBDd

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 13, 2021 4:26 pm

ebel News
@RebelNewsOnline
Oakville residents wishing to be entered into the bonds of holy matrimony will have to pony up their vax pass to local bureaucrats before their nuptial permit is issued.

Horrible. It is the Miscegnation Laws all over again.

Marry within your type. You know it makes sense. /sarc off

Chris
Chris
October 13, 2021 4:27 pm

Years ago there was a guy running round Nth Perth/ Mt Lawley area taking pot shots. I called the cops. They came round, I said it was a .22 and most likely a 270 or 308 going by the bark.

Years ago I heard shots in Booragoon, at home at night. Called it in, I said it sounded like a .22 and ‘something bigger’. The person on the 000 asked whether it sounded like a .38, (I wonder if that would have meant Police being shot and shooting back?) but I denied being able to tell from the sound.
Later the cops came knocking on all the neighbourhood doors to let us know it had been young people with illegal fireworks. Thanks Constable, thats a relief.
That arsehole that murdered Snr Cst Bill Pense and wounded Sgt Jim Keelan died in jail 28 years later, a complete waste of oxygen for 28 years. In none of those years were I, Bruce or 100,000 fellow West Australians with legal arms, farms, club memberships, collectors, security guards. I do not approve of people shooting WA cops, and would cheerfully pre-empt any attempt to do so that were in my power. And then they treat me and us as the problem.
Police in other states? You’re a good guy, so go for it and dont make extra paperwork.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 13, 2021 4:27 pm

sp. typo: miscegenation

rosie
rosie
October 13, 2021 4:28 pm

Where is vic dhhs publishing is the vaccination status data for deaths in Victoria?
I can’t find it on their website, someone on twitter said they weren’t as transparent as nsw health.
Surprise.

MatrixTransform
October 13, 2021 4:29 pm

It is concerning that universities have licence to police a code of conduct selectively

only when when going after an ideological enemy

get with the post-modern times mate

Crossie
Crossie
October 13, 2021 4:30 pm

H B Bear says:
October 13, 2021 at 11:22 am
A bit torn on that one, custard. I would hate to see a matter of principle enrich Clive Palmer.

Why not? After all renewables subsidies are good enough for Turnbull’s family and friends.

Cassie of Sydney
October 13, 2021 4:38 pm

“Crossiesays:
October 13, 2021 at 4:09 pm
So now we know who is advising Melanie Gibbons. She thinks she can’t win her own state seat at the next election but she believes she can win Craig Kelly’s seat. ScoMo keeps proving how vindictive he is. It would serve him right if the seat of Hughes goes to Labor.”

Yep…if Craig can’t win….then the seat will fall to Labor.

Dot
Dot
October 13, 2021 4:40 pm

My sources indicate Transport for NSW now has a department wide vaccine mandate.

Um? In the light of Ridd v JCU?

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 13, 2021 4:43 pm

Calli, have a read of Heinlein’s Farnham’s Freehold . It deals with a family blown by a nuke some centuries into the future, where white ppl are slaves and black ppl their masters. Farnham fights for his freedom, but his wife and son betray him and choose a life of compliance.

Not entirely different from our own situation. Heinlein has a lot of insights into slavery, and observes that it’s bad for the slavers as well as the slaves.

I recommend it.

areff
areff
October 13, 2021 4:46 pm

Friend of mine, lovely bloke, has been a volunteer with Vinnies for yonx. Yesterday, being unvaccinated, he was told his good works were no longer needed.

There is madness in the land.

areff
areff
October 13, 2021 4:48 pm

Try calling Tom up and pointing that out on air, Dover. You’ll be out maybe 15 words before ‘click’.

JC
JC
October 13, 2021 4:50 pm

Next time someone like Stepford or our very own Vlad Lenin says:

Election fraud? What election fraud?

There’s this:

In the eyes of many Democrats, any push to ensure ballot integrity amounts to voter suppression, while Georgia’s inquiry into Atlanta’s elections is nothing more than a prelude to a power grab. Yet last week two Georgia election workers were fired for shredding voter registration forms, and this week three Michigan women were charged with fraud.

Georgia’s performance review of elections in Fulton County, which includes most of Atlanta, has largely been painted as a GOP plot to take over the handling of ballots in a blue area. Yes, the state’s new voting law theoretically gives it the power to suspend local election boards. But that’s only after a lengthy process, which must include a finding of malfeasance, gross negligence, or the like. And Fulton County has a long record of screw-ups.

Add this to the list: Fulton County said Monday it terminated two employees who “allegedly shredded a number of paper voter registration applications received within the last two weeks.” Fellow workers reported this on Friday, and the perpetrators were fired the same day. According to the state, about 300 applications were destroyed. The context is that early voting in the next local elections began Tuesday.

And there’s this:

The Michigan cases are also instructive. One woman, the state Attorney General’s office says, “implemented a plan to obtain and control absentee ballots for legally incapacitated persons under her care by fraudulently submitting 26 absentee ballot applications.” Another woman, who worked at a nursing home, allegedly filled out absentee applications for residents without their knowledge, while forging their signatures.

The fraudulent paperwork was caught when election workers compared the bad signature to the voter’s real one. But the state’s news release is less clear about the third woman, who “admitted to signing her grandson’s absentee ballot because she was concerned he would not have time to vote on Election Day.” The grandson voted in person, so investigators were called in April to look into “a case of double voting.”

Democrats say voter fraud is mythical. That isn’t true, and it’s reckless to pretend otherwise.

Whenever a leftwing idiot says there’s never been any evidence of election fraud, it’s worth keeping the above in mind for a response.

WSJ

calli
calli
October 13, 2021 4:50 pm

There is madness in the land.

Yes. I believe there is, areff. Driven by terrible, manufactured fear.

Crossie
Crossie
October 13, 2021 4:51 pm

feelthebern says:
October 13, 2021 at 11:43 am
Clive Palmer loses high court challenge.
The High Court has now made it legal for a state government to retrospectively pass laws that capriciously target an individual.
This is really troubling.
So apart from the 7 zip ruling in the Pell case, the High Court doesn’t really adhere to the law.
ScoMo has appointed two of these jokers hasn’t he?
Or is it more?

The High Court had to atone for the Pell decision. Can’t have the plebs thinking they have rights even if they are rich plebs.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 13, 2021 4:52 pm

Mosquitoes may have killed half the people who ever lived

Stupidity probably has killed half the people who ever lived, and a distinct number of those read woke Non Scientist. The rag is not worthy to be used to wipe a child’s bottom with.

Cassie of Sydney
October 13, 2021 4:55 pm

“There is madness in the land.”

I actually think there is evil in the land.

srr
srr
October 13, 2021 4:55 pm

Cassie of Sydneysays:
October 13, 2021 at 1:08 pm

DB…can you please get rid of this comment..

“You chose to defend Cassie’s lies when I said it was behaviour like hers that riled arseholes up against Jews & made things more dangerous for them.”

She’s telling me, a Jew, that I’m to blame for attacks on Jews.

People can read for themselves what I said, in the full context in which I said it, and it’s NOT what you’re saying I said.

You constantly crying, “I’m a Jew!”, does NOT absolve you of your many vile and even criminal lies about gentiles and mixed families, but hey, you want to fight dirty, fine, just don’t expect everyone you come after to be cowed into laying there and taking it.

God, The Creator God of The Old & New Testament is no respecter of persons.

Acts 10:
33 So I sent for you immediately, and you were kind enough to come. Now then, we are all here in the presence of God to listen to everything the Lord has instructed you to tell us.”
34 Then Peter began to speak: “I now truly understand that God does not show favoritism,
35 but welcomes those from every nation who fear Him and do what is right.…

Deuteronomy 1:17
Show no partiality in judging; hear both small and great alike. Do not be intimidated by anyone, for judgment belongs to God. And bring to me any case too difficult for you, and I will hear it.”

Deuteronomy 10:17
For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords, the great, mighty, and awesome God, showing no partiality and accepting no bribe.

rosie
rosie
October 13, 2021 4:56 pm

Areff a close relative got that phone message from St Vincents on Monday.
No doubt she’ll also be services no longer required.
She was already sick of the constant need to do politically correct ‘training’.

Roger
Roger
October 13, 2021 4:56 pm

Marry within your type. You know it makes sense. /sarc off

The political class is increasingly endogamous. No joke.

Gilas
Gilas
October 13, 2021 4:57 pm

Our Cossack should be a comedian!

Crossie
Crossie
October 13, 2021 4:58 pm

Listening to 3AW Drive again. Elliott argues that the vaccinated can’t even get sick from COVID let alone die, contra all the evidence. So when employers argue for vaccine mandates they are arguing from a deep concern for their employees, not their vaccinated ones, but their unvaccinated ones. They do not want to be sued by their unvaccinated employees because they failed to provide a safe workplace by allowing them to work while unvaccinated! The logic here is incredible.

Dover, the mental gymnastics are olympics gold medal worthy. This is advocating destroying a person’s life in order to protect them from harm.

Delta A
Delta A
October 13, 2021 4:58 pm

Are you judging me?

Not at all. I am sure you’re usually a fine man with strong values.

What I was judging was your vile comments this morning at 8.18 am and 9.00 am, where you set out to demean the older women who post here.

An apology is in order.

Cassie of Sydney
October 13, 2021 4:59 pm

“does NOT absolve you of your many vile and even criminal lies about gentiles and mixed families, “

More lies. Yesterday Calli was very polite to you when she asked you to stop trolling her. I’m not so polite…

Piss off.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 13, 2021 4:59 pm

Election fraud? What election fraud?

Yeah, the Dems are now blatantly trying to steal the Virginia election for governor.

Terrified Virginia Democrats Seek to Change Election Laws After Voting Has Already Started (12 Oct)

Sure enough, the Democrat-dominated Fairfax Board of Supervisors has asked Gov. Ralph Northam to waive the witness signature requirement that Virginia law stipulates for all absentee ballots.

Transparent. Blatant. Evil.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 13, 2021 5:06 pm

Ezekiel 25:17

The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and goodwill, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother’s keeper, and the finder of lost children.

And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee

If you’re going to now hide behind a religious cloak, reeeeeerrssr, this is my personal favourite.

You won’t get it, but that’s kinda the point.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
October 13, 2021 5:16 pm

My 2c worth on the Ridd decision. I’ll take at face value others interpretations here, I remember some saying last year his legal team took the wrong angle. However we as taxpayers fund these institutions, if they want to turn the clock back 400 years and resemble the closed shops of Galileo’s day then do it without my help.

BTW I read that article from Adam Pigott today, great article and much to think about now especially with this.

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 13, 2021 5:16 pm

Do one for Vic now please. 13 elderly died overnight and all were vaccinated.

Not sure if that right … may be … but seems high when in NSW we usually had the majority of those dying unvaxxed.

In NSW, in the week ending 25 Sep

602 (8.4%) of locally acquired cases were fully vaccinated
992 (13.9%) were partially vaccinated
3,141 (44.1%) no effective dose
2,392 (33.6%) under investigation

[Note there likely were some in the under investigation bucket and prob some “partially vaccinated” in the no effective dose (as they may have had a shot but only in the 2 or three weeks before tested).]

https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/covid-19-surveillance-report-20211005.pdf

And – I suspect that there would be A LOT more of breakthrough cases which were asymptomatic and hence untested…

Makka
Makka
October 13, 2021 5:17 pm

Plow it into FMG,

I’d be careful about i/o. The China RE market is still bringing out the bodies so a lot more demand destruction to come. They are dumping masses of sq mtrs , bringing down prices and undercutting existing owners. And we know there are cities full of empty apartments there. Steel demand in China’s biggest market for it won’t be bouncing back soon.

There’s a major economic shake-out in progress in China.

Dot
Dot
October 13, 2021 5:21 pm

“No effective dose”, not “no dose”.

They can’t stop lying.

Chant two days ago said masks inside for years to come.

I am praying that the Elder Gods awaken.

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 13, 2021 5:24 pm

Our Cossack should be a comedian!

Aye! Love the Churchill accent!!!!

cohenite
October 13, 2021 5:25 pm

A nice mini super yacht; $10 mill will get you in; worth the money:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNu1uBx19kE

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 13, 2021 5:28 pm

Chant two days ago said masks inside for years to come.

Has Chant or her sideckicks made a media appearance since Perrottet brought in the “looser” restrictions?

I know that Perrottet was strongly questioned on whether Chant agreed… It will be a hoot if Perrottet moves the 1 Dec “freedom” to earlier. [Some say next week even]. I would really LOVE to see Chant interviewed and questioned on her support for that [You know … the Great Leader must be supported at all times! Good days! LOL]

rosie
rosie
October 13, 2021 5:31 pm

I’m barracking for freedom day to be moved forward though low vaxx rates in some regions might stymie that being across the board in NSW.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 13, 2021 5:32 pm

There’s a major economic shake-out in progress in China.

China just banned all private ownership of media.

China moves to ban all private news publishers that are not funded by the Communist Party in further crackdown on free speech (12 Oct)

We will tell you what to think and if you dare write anything we don’t like, well there are plenty of deserving senior Party members who need kidneys.

Winston Smith
October 13, 2021 5:34 pm

A Suggestion:

Are all the commenters on here bitchy women?

Not all of them, but I do detect a bit of “Let’s get the blokes to fight over us” making its appearance in the front bar.

Dot
Dot
October 13, 2021 5:35 pm

I’m barracking for freedom day to be moved forward though low vaxx rates in some regions might stymie that being across the board in NSW.

What is stymiying that is a love of fascism.

struth
struth
October 13, 2021 5:35 pm

… Topher Field has been arrested for “incitement” by the Vicstapo.

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 13, 2021 5:36 pm

Ezekiel 25:17

Marcellus Wallace does not like to be fucked by anyone other than Mrs Wallace… You read the bible Greg?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvAhRcUofDk

Glorious … absolutely glorious

John of Mel
John of Mel
October 13, 2021 5:36 pm

Looks like Topher was arrested today.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 13, 2021 5:37 pm

I am praying that the Elder Gods awaken.

Like this?

or

This?

Remember, why choose the lesser of 2 evils.

Im hanging out for SMOD myself.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 13, 2021 5:37 pm

What is wrong with these people who think of themselves as smart and compassionate?

They think that there every mood swing or petulant outburst is actually smart, and everything they cannot accept is beyond the bounds of compassion.

rosie
rosie
October 13, 2021 5:37 pm
Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 13, 2021 5:38 pm

Looks like Topher was arrested today.

Look you blokes, stop stealing srsrrs’ thunder.

She’s the real hero here.

Gab
Gab
October 13, 2021 5:38 pm

Victoria ”police” have just arrested Topher Field for ”incitement”.

rosie
rosie
October 13, 2021 5:39 pm
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 13, 2021 5:42 pm

ussr at 4:55.
I didn’t read that, but a quick glance suggests to me that you’ve got too many tabs open again.
I can tell.

Gilas
Gilas
October 13, 2021 5:44 pm

Topher Field also got the Cossack treatment, by those wacky chaps at Vikpol.

I don’t know how anyone with a functioning brain can feel anything other than utter hatred for the pigs of this fucked-up country.

Gilas
Gilas
October 13, 2021 5:45 pm

Snap Struth!

Gab
Gab
October 13, 2021 5:46 pm

The Judgement in Kassam case will be handed down on Friday 15 October at 16:00

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 13, 2021 5:46 pm

I got my hair cut! Guy didn’t ask my vax status.

I rode on the bus due to the rain and went rather further afield than usual. Because it was cloudy the contrast between light and shadow was not so stark and it was possible to see inside the shopfronts which were not lit.

So many shops are now empty. With what little ambient light penetrated the hollow grey rooms they just gave the impression of empty eye-sockets. Most of the places represent personal tragedies, with the suffering out of sight in peoples homes (if they managed to keep them).

The government considers they have been a success.

They are that dangerous.

srr
srr
October 13, 2021 5:47 pm

JCsays:
October 13, 2021 at 3:08 pm
Dot,

No, you’re not taking the fucking blame for it. ? He made all these enthusiastic promises and the site ended up with Bird making deplorable blood libel accusations against the Tribe and threatening to kill people, en masse, who didn’t agree with him. He let that crap go on for weeks and then, he finally posts a long laborious comment about how he’s busy running an online candy store and moving his family to another state. He didn’t have 15 minutes a day to clean up the shit Bird had sprayed over the walls and start a new open thread. Give me a fucking break.

You, JC and others who sat on sinc’s cat for a great deal of the night, regularly interacted with & made excuses for Graeme Bird’s flooding Sinc’s cat with Jew Hate.

His posts and other’s friendly interactions with him would all sit there all night (day for so many others around the world), then when Sinc found time in the morning, he’d delete his posts.

Now when G.B. did the same thing on AdamD’s cat, you all jumped on AdamD for not having a ‘report’ button, which he did set up (but Sinc never did), but that wasn’t good enough, you wanted him to make ban hammer wielders out of a bunch of you (something you didn’t trash Sinc for not doing), and offered a whole host of other ways he could keep Bird out (ways that never even got tried by Sinc and aren’t 100% even here at Dover’s), but it isn’t about Your Friend Graeme Bird is it.

You just want people to stay away from AdamD’s where people like mh, Steve Trickler and a whole bunch of others of good will, post links to real world information on this whole Wu Flu Jab Scam, that you are invested in.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
October 13, 2021 5:47 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
October 13, 2021 at 4:09 pm

Well, it’s extraordinary that every single thing you’ve complained about the critics and their supporters allegedly having come up with by “confusing” the authors’ own sample data with some other numbers turns out to be calculable by a straightforward application of the author’s own sample data without any reference to any other number whatsoever.

Including the 82% vaxx/spontaneous miscarriage number (though that’s obviously superseded by the authors’ revised updated data, subsequent to all the criticisms of the original).

But if you want to believe that a number of other people somehow all got all the author’s own sample data mixed up with something else, but by amazing coincidence all arrived at exactly the same percentage as the critics did by a simple application of the authors’ own sample data, rather than thinking that maybe it was you who has been confused all along, then sure I’m happy to move along.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 13, 2021 5:47 pm

Because the ABC wont cover it…
At all.

A Labor staffer has told a Victorian anti-corruption hearing he handled “wads of cash” from MPs to pay for party memberships and bought thousands of dollars worth of stamps using public funds that were used for political purposes.

Adam Sullivan, who worked in a series of roles for MPs in Labor’s moderate faction, gave evidence on Wednesday at the Independent Broad-based Anti-corruption Commission (Ibac) investigation into branch stacking within the Victorian branch of the ALP.

Ibac has heard Adem Somyurek allegedly masterminded a vast branch stacking operation on behalf of the moderate faction. He has not appeared at the public hearings which started on Monday.

Branch stacking and paying for memberships is not illegal, but the commission is investigating whether public resources were misused to further factional activities.

On Wednesday, Sullivan said that in 2018 he was advised by Nick McLennan, another staffer who worked on behalf of the moderate faction, to buy stamps using the electorate office budget of Somyurek. Sullivan said he was asked to “re-route” the stamps inconspicuously, so as to not attract the attention of parliamentary services, the body which investigates electorate office spending.

Sullivan was employed as a full-time electorate officer for Somyurek at the time. While he had no direct knowledge of Somyurek approving the scheme, Sullivan said McLennan told him he had spoken to Somyurek about it, and Sullivan did not believe it would be a problem because of the “environment” within the office.

Sullivan said he bought $11,000-$14,000 worth of stamps and “a fair number” of them were sent on to be used in the election campaign of Tim Richardson in Mordialloc. No suggestion was made during the hearing that Richardson, a current MP, was aware of the scheme.

Sullivan said he heard evidence given earlier this week by federal MP Anthony Byrne in relation to widespread branch stacking within the moderate faction, which involved paying for the memberships of others in breach of party rules.

When asked by Chris Carr SC, counsel assisting, where the funds to pay for these memberships came from, Sullivan said in his experience it was provided by MPs or “aspiring” MPs.

He gave three examples during which this occurred: when he was given about $700 by Byrne, when he was given $2,000-$3,000 by Somyurek, and when he was given $4,000-$5,000 by Steve Michelson, a former Labor staffer.

Byrne gave evidence earlier this week that Michelson made the contribution to the memberships kitty so that he would be looked upon favourably in his bid for a federal seat.

With the exception of Byrne, Sullivan said the other payments were made in the form of “wads of cash” in an envelope. Byrne has previously told the commission the funds were sourced in part from holding large fundraising dinners.

Carr asked Sullivan a series of questions about the cleanliness of Somyurek’s electorate office, where he worked full-time for eight months starting in August 2017.

Sullivan described it as “decrepit, run down, it came complete with cobwebs”, and there was a cockroach infestation in the kitchen that required an exterminator.

Somyurek paid for his father to clean the office, Sullivan confirmed, but he said the only time he saw him was when he arrived asking to be paid. The only evidence any cleaning had ever been done was about once a week when it appeared the bathroom had been cleaned, he said.

Sullivan gave evidence there was a “pattern” of Labor branch secretaries also holding positions in electorate or ministerial offices, despite the former being a political role and the latter being publicly funded.

He believed there had been an acceptance of branch stacking within the party, and a disregard for any concern about the use of public resources for factional work, because everyone in the party was doing it, and therefore had “skeletons in the closet”. Nobody would blow the whistle because it would have led to “mutually assured destruction,” he said.

Carr said Sullivan was described by those that knew him as a “thoroughly decent person”. When asked whether there “were things you did in the course of your employment … that you are thoroughly ashamed of”, Sullivan said he agreed.

The hearing continues.

Baba
Baba
October 13, 2021 5:48 pm

I’m rooting for the introduction of medical apartheid ASAP. Those vaxxed covid crud carriers must be kept away from normal people.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
October 13, 2021 5:49 pm

Real Rukshan reporting Tropher Field arrested.

John of Mel
John of Mel
October 13, 2021 5:52 pm

Real Rukshan reporting Topher Field arrested.

Rukshan and Avi next?

Arky
October 13, 2021 5:53 pm

Without comment.

..
I’ll comment.
Hey, Vicpigs, whatever “incitement” you arrested Tropherfield for, I fully support.
Come at me.

rosie
rosie
October 13, 2021 5:54 pm

I know someone who worked in a lnp state member’s office for a few years.
Not even a hint of this kind of behaviour.
The Labor party seems to have done it as a matter of course.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
October 13, 2021 5:56 pm

The vid attached on Rukshan from Tropher, how nice of Josh to not arrest in front of the family (Sarc).

Frollicking, follow Voice for Victoria twitter feeds. Concise commentary of the IBAC proceeding dropped like breadcrumbs across the day.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 13, 2021 5:57 pm

post links to real world information on this whole Wu Flu Jab Scam, that you are invested in.

Oooooh. Plotters! Lizard people!

You really are a funny old nanna.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 13, 2021 5:57 pm

Im sure PEN will be drafting a statement right now…..

VicPol arresting citizen journos on trumped up charges..
Why its right in their remit.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 13, 2021 5:58 pm

Rukshan and Avi next?

Obvious white supremacist terrorists.

Jailed Russian opposition activist Alexei Navalny says he has been designated an ‘extremist and terrorist’ by a prison commission, but jokes that ‘he doesn’t have to kiss a portrait of Putin’ (11 Oct)

And unlike Russia here they will be required to kiss a portrait of Daniel Andrews.

(Pretty amazing that Victoria is now more fascist than Vlad’s regime. Who ever saw that coming?)

cohenite
October 13, 2021 5:59 pm

On further reflection there is a lot of smoke and mirrors in the Ridd Judgment and not as much brightness as I first thought. The HC affirms Ridd’s right to express honestly held views related to his expertise but simultaneously confirms the ascendancy of confidentiality clauses in his EA so that he can hold honestly held expert views but just can’t express them.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 13, 2021 5:59 pm

Crotchety crones firing Frikken lazers labialy?

Dr evil has gone too far this time

According to the UK’s National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (Nice), vaginal laser therapy involves inserting a laser device into the vagina

Dot
Dot
October 13, 2021 6:00 pm

TRANSPORT PEOPLE
COVIDSAFE MEASURES POLICY
13 October 2021

Transport for NSW is committed to creating a safe workplace that
minimises the risk of COVID-19.

Controls to manage COVID-19
Consistent with our ongoing commitment and obligation to provide and maintain a safe work
environment, revised control measures will be introduced to Transport workplaces to manage
the risks to health and safety associated with COVID-19.

These control measures are set out in Transport’s COVID Safe Plans and associated
procedures which, are updated regularly and should be read in conjunction with this Policy.
The existing control measures are set out in the COVID-19 Controls Schedule A. The existing
controls mechanisms are:
? Vaccination
? Health surveillance
? Physical distancing and capacity restrictions
? Cleaning and sanitising
? Point-of-entry check-ins
? Personal protective equipment
? Ventilation system controls
? Flexible work arrangements
? Support arrangements for vaccinations, testing and self-isolation
? Information and training in COVID-19 policies and procedures
Transport has revised all implemented control measures and additional vaccination and health
surveillance controls have been added to the existing multi-layered approach as set out in
Schedule B.

A combination of controls from the hierarchy of control measures is necessary to minimise the
risk of COVID-19 transmission, so far as is reasonably practicable. (It’s not).

Implementation of controls

Many control measures have been implemented and already are in place. From time to time,
Transport will be required to implement certain controls in stages on an interim basis (??? eve against whole of government policy?). Controls other than vaccination against COVID-19 commence as at the date of this Policy.

From 1 December 2021, for those roles identified in Schedule B, it will be a requirement of the
role that those workers have had at least the first dose of COVID-19 vaccination. Thereafter,
workers engaged by Transport will be required to be fully vaccinated in accordance with the
recommended timeframe between vaccinations.

Workers will be required to provide Transport evidence of vaccination status by no later than 1
December 2021. Evidence will consist of vaccination status from an accepted Government
source.

Information collected in relation to the implementation of any controls referred to in this Policy
will be managed in accordance with the Privacy and Personal Information Protection Act 1998,
Health Records and Information Privacy Act 2002, Transport Privacy Policy, Transport Access
to Information Policy, Transport Records Management Policy, and Transport local level
procedures.

Compliance
Workers are required to comply with COVID-19 safe work practices and control measures as
set out in Schedule B to this Policy.

Other than those with legitimate reasons such as a medical contraindication, workers are
required to comply with lawful and reasonable directions issued by their principal/ employer.
Lawful and reasonable directions can include a requirement for a worker to comply with any
control measure, including being vaccinated against COVID-19 (NO) and a requirement to provide evidence of this.

Any failure to comply with the requirements of Transport policies, procedures, standards or lawful and reasonable directions will be managed in accordance with applicable policies and
procedures. Action up to and including the termination of employment or engagement may
occur.
(Really? You’d get fired for not following procedure – even if it wasn’t best practice?)

This Policy applies to workers performing work for, and working at workplaces
controlled or managed by:

? Transport for NSW
? Sydney Trains
? NSW Trains
? State Transit
? Sydney Metro
? The Point to Point Transport Commissioner
? Office of Transport Safety Investigations

The term ‘worker’ includes all permanent, temporary and casual staff, staff seconded from
another organisation and contingent workers including labour hire, professional services
contractors and consultants.

Rob Sharp
Secretary

Dot
Dot
October 13, 2021 6:07 pm

That document is problematic.

Is it really a final draft for consultation?
If consultation matters, are the directions truly from the principal?
Is it appropriate to discuss termination for this cause only in a draft document?
Nothing in that document follows WHS & tort law. Proving causation from an unvaccinated person is very difficult if not impossible or prohibitively expensive.
The use of immunisation data is contrary to the aims of Federal legislation, re the Australian Privacy Principles & the explanatory memoranda of the Australian Immunisation Register. The use of this Federal data is appealable under the ADJR.
In light of Ridd v JCU, the enterprise arrangement & employment contract trump a code of conduct, certainly introduced after the fact.
*You* never agreed to get vaccinated as part of that, the legality of a transport agency enforcing medical procedures in light of the above is very dubious.

Makka
Makka
October 13, 2021 6:07 pm

VicPol arresting citizen journos on trumped up charges..

Yep, despite the attempt by the blondie Sergeant of VikPol’s Inclusive and Diversity Dept to portray the black shirted swine as “victims” , there are plenty of utter c***s in their ranks still eager for an opportunity to brutalize the citizens of Victoria. No sympathy whatsoever for what befalls the despicable turds of VikPol. Zero.

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 13, 2021 6:09 pm

The HC affirms Ridd’s right to express honestly held views related to his expertise

The fact that he correctly called a fraud a fraud – and should not have been sacked or censured for that – are going to be lost in the “Ridd lost 7 nill in the HC” yammer.

The issue I’m struggling with is that if he wasn’t censured and sacked in the first place, he would not have had to defend himself … which was then determined to be entirely justifiable a reason for him being sacked. So if the initial wrong did not occur – he would have his job.

Fruit of the poisonous tree?

areff
areff
October 13, 2021 6:15 pm

Topher Field arrested in his home by Andrews’ praetorian guard, aka VicPol. The charge: incitement

https://www.facebook.com/TopherField

Brislurker
Brislurker
October 13, 2021 6:18 pm

Unbelievable!! I was shopping at our shopping centre today, it is fairly large, containing Coles, Woolies, and numerous small shops. We are in the Brisbane LGA group and have had no cases of covid. I would say that close to 98% of the people in the centre all were masked, despite them not being needed unless social distancing cannot be achieved.

Still shaking my head.?

Dot
Dot
October 13, 2021 6:25 pm

Topher Field arrested in his home by Andrews’ praetorian guard, aka VicPol. The charge: incitement

Incitement to what??!

Topher was always a “talk the left into submission Ben Shapiro type libertarian/conservative”.

If he’s guilty of incitement, I should be hanged.

Cassie of Sydney
October 13, 2021 6:27 pm

“Topher Field arrested in his home by Andrews’ praetorian guard, aka VicPol. The charge: incitement”

And of course you won’t hear a peep about it from the MSM.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 13, 2021 6:28 pm

ussr at 5:47.
I can tell you’re upset.
Now, let’s correct the record.
AdamD left Birdshit on his site for six weeks. Sinc would get rid of it within hours, which is the best anyone can do unless they are on meth and awake 24/7.
Let me hazard a guess.
You quite liked the free-range nature of Dash-Cat because you could post Anne-level red-shoe pizzagate conspiracies, well, 24/7.
You aren’t as comfortable at Flash-Cat because you know Dover has a very low shit tolerance for that sort of stuff.
This means that, if you pull the same shit you did on Sinc’s Cat, it will end the same way.
Dash-Cat is screwed.
Get over it.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 13, 2021 6:29 pm

If he’s guilty of incitement, I should be hanged.

Probably gulaged, Dot. You’ll be in good company and will learn a lot about birds.

Rorschach
Rorschach
October 13, 2021 6:29 pm

@PatsKarvelas
TGA tells Pfizer it can apply for vaccine approval for five- to 11-year-olds #COVID19

At a time where nations are banning mRNA shots for under 30’s… yeah who is being bribed? And with the Goebbelsian comments – just shows how easy it is to brainwash people. [Though I would suspect that a lot of these comments are bots or plants trying to influence … fact is I trust nothing anymore!]

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 13, 2021 6:31 pm

areffsays:

October 13, 2021 at 6:15 pm

Topher Field arrested in his home by Andrews’ praetorian guard, aka VicPol. The charge: incitement

This IBAC thing is causing Hunchback’s gyros to topple.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 13, 2021 6:35 pm

Probably gulaged, Dot. You’ll be in good company and will learn a lot about birds.

Now we see BoNs cunnng plan.
By becoming “friend to the birds” hes actually lulling them into a false sense of security when they later become gulag snacks.

Dot
Dot
October 13, 2021 6:35 pm

You’ll be in good company and will learn a lot about birds.

I can ask endless questions about silane chemistry.

rosie
rosie
October 13, 2021 6:36 pm

Apropos the Asians less likely to die of covid theory.
Someone should tell our local community.
First into facemasks and gloves last year, still wearing masks outside during our brief respite earlier this year and young Asians are about the only ones I’ve seen wearing the face masks, face shield and gloves combo to drop parcels at the post office.

Dot
Dot
October 13, 2021 6:37 pm

Apropos the Asians less likely to die of covid theory.

ITS BECAUSE THEY’RE NOT OBESE LARDBALLS!

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 13, 2021 6:40 pm

Heinlein has a lot of insights into slavery, and observes that it’s bad for the slavers as well as the slaves.

Carl Sagan said the same thing about slavery regarding the ancient Greek civilisation in the TV series he made in the 1980’s.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 13, 2021 6:42 pm

I’ve actually done a little bit of silane chemistry.
I like stannanes more though.
Did heaps of them.

Dot
Dot
October 13, 2021 6:42 pm
Fat Tony
Fat Tony
October 13, 2021 6:42 pm

I wonder how long before one of our independent journalists dies in custody (“suicide”) or is shot while escaping/assaulting police?

srr
srr
October 13, 2021 6:43 pm

Inside a Facebook bot farm that pumps out 200k+ political posts per month
https://www.comparitech.com/blog/information-security/inside-facebook-bot-farm/
[…]
Bots can be used to artificially inflate the public’s perceived enthusiasm for a certain cause, person, product, or viewpoint. Astroturfing, for example, masks the real sponsors of a message to make it appear as though it originates from and is supported by grassroots participants. If people think bots are human, they are more likely to believe that the message has popular support.
[…]
Bear in mind that bots are not necessarily malicious all of the time. They might be configured to post benign content until the bot farm administrator decides to weaponize them in an attack.”

Makka
Makka
October 13, 2021 6:44 pm

ITS BECAUSE THEY’RE NOT OBESE LARDBALLS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-tsIKUevg0&ab_channel=GuardianAustralia

Australian high school student shares Covid story after one month in hospital: ‘it almost killed me’

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 13, 2021 6:45 pm

Topher Field arrest.

Incitement
Noun
Action of provoking freedom against a tyrannical power.

rosie
rosie
October 13, 2021 6:47 pm

I already linked the cdc stats on that stuff upthread dot.
My point was that they don’t believe they are low risk.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 13, 2021 6:47 pm

What’s common to smokers, bikies, the unvaxxed and Clive Palmer?

All no longer enjoy the protection of The Rule of Law in the former Commonwealth of Australia. But that’s OK, most people are cool with that.

P
P
October 13, 2021 6:47 pm

@PatsKarvelas
TGA tells Pfizer it can apply for vaccine approval for five- to 11-year-olds #COVID19

Last week my daughter finally got her vaccination, Moderna, as she was tired of the pressure from work, her friends and those parents at her kids school, a Catholic school, who were saying they did not want their children at school with those of unvaccinated parents. Her two are 9yrs and 10yrs old beautiful healthy kids. She swears she will never let them receive the vax.
Her husband had to be vaxed or lose his job.

Tears came to my eyes when I read that Karvelas tweet.

Dot
Dot
October 13, 2021 6:48 pm

COVID vaccination is like being an Anglican in 1535.

Sorry old mate.

I can’t see the spiritual validity in a fetal cell derived vaccine that works 60% of the time to lessen symptoms of “the disease”; for which 30% of the population has full natural immunity to.

Dom, it profits a man nothing to sell his soul for the world…but for drinking a beer sitting down and wearing a mask at all other times?

Dot
Dot
October 13, 2021 6:49 pm

Australian high school student shares Covid story after one month in hospital: ‘it almost killed me’

LOL

They really do things or not at all.

Crossie
Crossie
October 13, 2021 6:51 pm

I think it’s really creative of Cowra people to invite Chris Hemsworth to help them with a tourist ad. Even without Hemsworth’s agreement they could now hold a Thor festival a la Parkes’ Elvis festival and invite dress-up impersonators.

srr
srr
October 13, 2021 6:51 pm

Shane Patton recommended no charges against Labor MPs for Red Shirts taxpayer rorts

Oct 13, 2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGOpC14yGBM

Baba
Baba
October 13, 2021 6:55 pm

This Australia. A childless lezzo celebrating jabbing kids with an experimental vaccine for a disease which doesn’t affect them.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 13, 2021 6:56 pm

srr says:
October 13, 2021 at 6:51 pm
Shane Patton recommended no charges against Labor MPs for Red Shirts taxpayer rorts

Team player.
Up for Best Clubman award.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 13, 2021 6:57 pm

Heinlein has a lot of insights into slavery, and observes that it’s bad for the slavers as well as the slaves.

Unlikely. Slavery had clear economic and wealth-producing benefits. It also soaked up all those PoWs that, like the Taliban, who if allowed to return home would be back again instantly on the handle-end of a claymore.

Only later did education and technology get to the point that an employee would be more productive than a slave.

srr
srr
October 13, 2021 6:58 pm

FDA Ties Fetal Organ Harvesting To Vaccines Development!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUbSNbS51hE

Oct 13, 2021
Judicial Watch

HORROR! Biden FDA admits and defends use of fetal organs of unborn human beings killed through abortion used for vaccine development! From the Daily Caller News Foundation:

In a…statement to the DCNF, the FDA did not deny purchasing the unborn baby body parts and downplayed its use of human fetal tissue, saying it was only used in situations “critical to understanding the safety of drugs and vaccines and in which it couldn’t be feasibly achieved through another means.”
***
“So now the Biden FDA is defending chopping up the parts of unborn human beings to create vaccines,” Fitton said to the DCNF. “Is that their position?”

“What they don’t tell you,” he continued, “is that the funding was cut off under Trump. And it was announced earlier this year by the Biden administration that the spigot was going to be turned back on again.”

“There are few Americans who would support chopping up the remains of unborn human beings for scientific research, using their organs, selling their heads for whatever Frankenstein experiments, the FDA and their researchers want to cook up,” Fitton said told the DCNF. “It’s barbarism. There should be a criminal investigation to figure out whether the laws against profiteering for fetal organ trafficking were violated as a court suggested they may have been.”
https://dailycaller.com/2021/09/17/fda-aborted-fetal-tissue-humanized-mice/

cohenite
October 13, 2021 6:58 pm

If he’s guilty of incitement, I should be hanged.

There is a rumour you’re hung.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 13, 2021 7:01 pm

Team player.
Up for Best Clubman award.

Don’t want them opening the skeleton closet for an immunity from prosecution. See also code of silence. cf – OMCG

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 13, 2021 7:02 pm

Australian high school student shares Covid story after one month in hospital: ‘it almost killed me’

We’ve been discussing that one on the Apartheid thread.
If she’s that enormous after a month in hospital how big was she when she went in?

cohenite
October 13, 2021 7:02 pm

Incitement is a serious offence in victoristan:

http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_act/ca195882/

Ss 321G and 321I; up to life imprisonment for treason.

rickw
rickw
October 13, 2021 7:04 pm

Ss 321G and 321I; up to life imprisonment for treason.

The Bat Eared Mong should be worried.

MatrixTransform
October 13, 2021 7:08 pm

Labor’s moderate faction

… very funny

Dot
Dot
October 13, 2021 7:09 pm

So if anyone in the Victorian government knew about Slug Gate, are they guilty of incitement or conspiracy?

Cassie of Sydney
October 13, 2021 7:09 pm

Peter Ridd will take up a role with the IPA……so I will renew my membership. I think it’s worth supporting Ridd.

maf
maf
October 13, 2021 7:12 pm

Earlier this year someone posted a link for a site where you could purchase Ivermectin. I took the plunge and ordered 20 3mg tabs.
Checked my bank details daily fully expecting a scam. No problems. Arrived about 3 weeks later
Came from India where a Dr.’s prescription is not required.
I have since purchased 6mg & 12mg tabs plus hydroxy and doxy. Not cheap, ranging from $4.00 to $10.00 per tab. In all I made four separate orders. Good tracking service to keep up to date.
Not one single email has come from the company so quite discreet.
My tip is to make a note of your order number for tracking purposes.
Have a copy of early treatment protocols to ensure proper dosage and time frames.
As each order has arrived in my letterbox I have felt a wave of gratitude and relief. I feel I am in charge of my health and I intend to keep way under the radar. I keep pretty quiet about this because most people I know have had the vax.

https://auchemist.com/rx/order-stromectol-online.html

Keep safe everyone and God Bless the Cat.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 13, 2021 7:14 pm

Shane Patton recommended no charges against Labor MPs for Red Shirts taxpayer rorts

Oho.

Bet he kept that in the back pocket on the off chance he’d be interviewed for the Commish’s job.

His file would have been stamped ‘Reliable’.

P
P
October 13, 2021 7:14 pm

This Australia. A childless lezzo celebrating jabbing kids with an experimental vaccine for a disease which doesn’t affect them.

I’ve read she has a 6yr old and 7yr old, Stella and Luca.

MatrixTransform
October 13, 2021 7:15 pm

If he’s guilty of incitement, I should be hanged.

correct

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 13, 2021 7:19 pm

H B Bear says:
October 13, 2021 at 7:01 pm
Team player.
Up for Best Clubman award.
Don’t want them opening the skeleton closet for an immunity from prosecution. See also code of silence. cf – OMCG

Seriously HB, Patton could be up for some very serious questioning in light of the damning testimony at IBAC.
No charges laid against anyone involved in the Red Shirts “investigation.”
Any opposition worth their salt should be asking Patton to justify that in light of known facts.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 13, 2021 7:22 pm

Any opposition worth their salt should be asking Patton to justify that in light of known facts.

Damn straight.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
October 13, 2021 7:27 pm

Any opposition worth their salt should be asking Patton to justify that in light of known facts.

True, but regrettably hypothetical.

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
October 13, 2021 7:29 pm

I suppose it is too much to hope that the whole IBAC thing might have inadvertently broken Sir Humphrey’s first rule… that you don’t have one unless you know the outcome?

Yes, yes, of course it is. What was I thinking?

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 13, 2021 7:30 pm

Every Commissioner of VicPlod leaves under a cloud. Why should Patton be any different?

Rabz
October 13, 2021 7:31 pm

Give me strength – bloody Bolt interviewing Josh Frydchickenberger about the death of Eddi Jaku, with JF prattling on about “the dangers of marginalising certain groups in society” while obviously not having a clue what a monumentally hypocritical moron he sounds like.

Unbelievable.

Baba
Baba
October 13, 2021 7:31 pm

Every Commissioner of VicPlod leaves under a cloud.

Silver?

Roger
Roger
October 13, 2021 7:33 pm

Any opposition worth their salt should be asking Patton to justify that in light of known facts.

Do we have any oppositions worth their salt in Australia?

That seems to be a large part of the problem with our democracy.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 13, 2021 7:37 pm

Don’t even have an Opposition in WA.

Dot
Dot
October 13, 2021 7:40 pm

Infidel Tiger is Zac Kirkup.

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