Left Authoritarianism vs. Right Authoritarianism

Pinochet / Stalin

There is a fundamental difference between authoritarian regimes of the right, and authoritarian regimes such as we are currently experiencing from the left.

But first, imagine a person who is a hypothetical perfect moral person in touch with God or some universal arbiter of good and evil. Imagine that there can be a left wing or a right wing version of such a thing. This person always does the right thing, even at the cost of breaking rules or laws.

A right wing version of this would be the original Dirty Harry, who when Scorpio had a young victim buried in a hole and running out of air, Harry ignored rules, the rights of the criminal, and even his own career, to beat the location of the girl out of the crim.

Where’s the girl?

Dirty Harry

Because right wing regimes care about law and order, we can say that in this case Dirty Harry is acting as a perfect moral person substitute for a right wing regime.

And it is this that is a difference between left wing authoritarians and right wing authoritarians. We can imagine individual people driven by a moral imperative to act as a substitute for the things a right wing regime might want to achieve, But there is no such possibility with left wing regimes.

Take Stalin forcing industrialisation by taking all the grain off Ukrainian peasants to send to cities and overseas, making them sell every last grain to a centralised authority and thus causing mass starvation. Is there an analogous possible to imagine person who could commit an individual act to achieve likewise? No, there just isn’t an individual act that corresponds to mass starvation.

Abortion is another example that explains this difference. One could imagine an individual who discovers an abortion clinic like that Gosnell fellow’s and responds by taking the dude out with extreme prejudice if the law refuses to intervene. However, there is no counter case where a left winger could possibly think of a moral case, even from a left perspective, where it would work to break the law to kidnap some preggo woman off the street and abort her baby.

There are however cases where left regimes do such things on a regime wide level. For example, China’s one child policy. Now look at the regime level right extreme on abortion: Even when a right regime makes it illegal or extremely difficult to abort children, no one can actually physically force a woman to take a baby full term. It’s not possible. Now you might think that a Victorian era backyard abortionist is a left wing example of a perfect moral person (from the left viewpoint) breaking laws in an individual effort that achieves the same result as a left wing regime might by fiat. But this is not the case, because they were butchers who left many woman dead from infections and were motivated by profit, not morality.

Try it for yourself. Think of any thing that can be broken down into left and right, and try to think of ways in which a left wing person could act individually from a moral perspective in it’s name. It doesn’t exist.

It is because the right acts from an individual perspective and the left collectivise everything, that it is impossible for a leftist to act individually to further their causes from a moral perspective.

This is why leftist regimes tend harder to authoritarianism and stay there longer than right regimes. The left agenda does not lend itself to individual acts of moral courage.

In other words, the goal of the left in all things is to collectivise: collective guilt, collective ownership, group identity. You cannot achieve a collectivist goal through individualistic action. This is why, even in their authoritarian guises, the left and the right are fundamentally different and manifest themselves in completely different ways.

19 thoughts on “Left Authoritarianism vs. Right Authoritarianism”

  1. The current Australian regimes have turned me into a scofflaw. Well they became scofflaws first.
    The main thing is the Right tends to leave you alone a lot more than the left.
    And the left loves to suck the joy out of everything.
    The left tend to be far more totalitarian than the right.
    The left lie and say we are all equal while they steal the trappings of power.
    The right make no secret they are in it for themselves.
    The left have poor personal hygiene and bad teeth.
    We are battling under devious untrustworthy sly gutless secretive and morally Governments . I’d say we have taken a Gard turn left. They can kiss my arse.


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  2. Take Stalin forcing industrialisation by taking all the grain off Ukrainian peasants to send to cities and overseas, making them sell every last grain to a centralised authority and thus causing mass starvation. Is there an analogous imaginary person who could commit an individual act to achieve likewise? No, there just isn’t an individual act that corresponds to mass starvation

    Arky, reading your post made me consider what has been happening in NSW especially since mid year. (In this response, I’m deliberately ignoring the Victorian experience because that conforms to the left-right of your premise).

    In the case of NSW, however, this is a supposed right of centre government that decided to force citizens to get the jab by locking down large swathes of Sydney and environs and taking livelihoods and liberty from the people.

    What does this suggest? In a “covid world,” all governments – even right of centre governments – are reduced to the worst of authoritarianism. Perhaps with the only difference being that such governments are convinced that it’s been done for the greater good. But even so, this is as good a sledgehammer approach as any left wing authoritarian mindset could conjure, as you have described.


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  3. Unless someone can come up with a convincing definition between “Left” and “Right”, I’m going to argue that it’s a false distinction.

    Whether we look at the supposed extremes of Stalinism and Hitlerism…. or those closer to the supposed “centre” like the NSW and Victorian Governments, most of the differences are in the symbols and slogans that they adopt.
    Both are authoritarian.
    Both tend toward a greater degree of government control of production, distribution and exchange (Fundamental tenets of Socialism)
    Both claim to be ruling for the people, but in reality, rule for the relatively small oligarchy and their supporting elite.

    The true differences are between authoritarianism and libertarianism…. and between conservatism and progressivism.


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  4. In the case of NSW, however, this is a supposed right of centre government that decided to force citizens to get the jab by locking down large swathes of Sydney and environs and taking livelihoods and liberty from the people.

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    Category error. The liberals are left of centre.
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    Whether we look at the supposed extremes of Stalinism and Hitlerism

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    Category error. The Nazis were extreme left.


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  5. Category error. The Nazis were extreme left.

    That is why I used the word “supposed”.

    I’m still waiting for that definition.
    In the meantime, it’s looking very much like “anyone the current lefties don’t want to be associated with”, and that’s about the only difference.


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  6. “…definition between “Left” and “Right”, I’m going to argue that it’s a false distinction.”

    Correct, the labelling is fundamentally flawed and largely a media construct.

    There is only pro or anti authoritarianism. At one extreme you have Commo / Fascist / Andrews types and at the other extreme are the anarchists. Both extremes are bad. Humans need laws and government for the protection of individuals and their property and for the functioning of society and national stability. We currently just have several times more government than we actually need to function properly and efficiently.


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  7. Chris M says:
    October 17, 2021 at 10:41 pm

    What is worse Chris M is that we have “allowed” the xnts to levy and control taxation on us.

    That is the power we gave away because we were gulled.

    If we ever get out of this complete and utter clusterfk then ZERO taxation.


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  8. Left and right terminology has a long history.
    That they aren’t always easy to define in one or two sentences, or that idiots often confound examples thereof, doesn’t mean there aren’t clear distinctions.
    If you think my distinction is wrong, you can simply provide the proof by doing what I suggest: Give an example where a leftist acts in an individual way analogous to the Dirty Harry example given.


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  9. Whether Left or Right, Liberal or Conservative, Collectivist or Individualist, there needs to be a simple way to define on which side of the fence one resides.

    Left or Right is easily understood and usually avoids semantics.


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  10. “…definition between “Left” and “Right”, I’m going to argue that it’s a false distinction.”

    The big difference today is between “cosmopolitans/internationalists” and “parochials/nationalists”, or to put it another way, between “anywheres” and “somewheres”.


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  11. definition between “Left” and “Right”, I’m going to argue that it’s a false distinction

    This is why I avoid using those terms whenever possible. Collectivism suffices, given it’s what these morons’ beliefs are ultimately about. You will own nothing and be happy (or else), for example. The individual is subsumed by the state.

    As for “conservative” it’s almost as “problematic”. I no longer want to conserve our public institutions, I want them obliterated, starting with the ALPBC.


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  12. Rabz

    As for “conservative” it’s almost as “problematic”. I no longer want to conserve our public institutions, I want them obliterated, starting with the ALPBC.

    Conservatives should seek to preserve principles that have served well in the past. institutions are of value only if they ensure the survival of those principles.

    This was munty’s error on the old cat. He regarded himself as a “conservative” because he supported institutions that had long since diverged from the principles they were established to support.


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  13. If you think my distinction is wrong, you can simply provide the proof by doing what I suggest: Give an example where a leftist acts in an individual way analogous to the Dirty Harry example given.

    Your error is in imagining that anyone in politics acts like Dirty Harry.
    Politics and power have always been about groups.

    Exactly how long do you think that a Leader with no supporters lasts?

    Your poster boys -Pinochet and Stalin – for the supposedly different ideologies or modes-of-action, both came to power as members of a group heading a military coup. Both rounded up large numbers of their opponents and rewarded their allies with property taken from their enemies. Arguably, the greatest single difference between the two is that Pinochet was less paranoid and hence did not insist on centralising control of production, distribution and exchange to the extent that Stalin did.

    Funnily enough, that’s how the Chinese built themselves into an economic superpower, but good luck trying to argue that that makes the Chinese Communist Party “Right Wing”.


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  14. Your error is in imagining that anyone in politics acts like Dirty Harry.

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    I didn’t say in politics.
    You’ve completely missed the point of this post simply to be argumentative.
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    both came to power

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    My thesis here has nothing to do with how they came to power. But go ahead and create your own. That has nothing to do with anything I wrote.


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