Open Thread-Mon 25 Oct 2021


Stratford Mill, John Constable, 1820

Subscribe
Notify of
guest

3.5K Comments
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
Boambee John
Boambee John
October 28, 2021 1:18 pm

A Suggestion

Except when it works. I give you the two greatest scientific frauds ever perpertated: Global Warming and mRNA “vaccines”. Both achieved by hysterical activism.

I think you missed the significance of the phrase “otherwise noble cause”. Neither of those causes is in any imaginable way “noble”.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 28, 2021 1:19 pm

On the leadership/Generalship.

The germans high command seemed to have a knack for selecting some extremely competent blokes while it was in operation. Hindenburg was awesome in the East, much less so in the West.

I think one of the best things about learning about the “greats” is it might improve the average standard rather than make stars.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 28, 2021 1:21 pm

KD

Snap!

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 28, 2021 1:22 pm

Consider this.
A small group of us control the world.
We have Big Pharma, the UN and WHO, all national leaders and legislatures in our pocket.
We even control the AFL rules committee.
We have the power to execute anyone who gets in our way, are intent on global genocide, and mind control or imprisonment of thr survivors.
We have the wherewithal to do all of this.
But we better lodge the patent.
Don’t want to do the wrong thing.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 28, 2021 1:23 pm

mole

I think one of the best things about learning about the “greats” is it might improve the average standard rather than make stars.

Each of Australia (Monash), New Zealand (Russell) and Canada (Currie) came up with a well above average general in World War I.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
October 28, 2021 1:26 pm

Pancho emulates Riccardo.

It only takes one goat.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 28, 2021 1:31 pm

Hindenburg was awesome in the East, much less so in the West.

Mole – Yes, there seem to be guys with a knack for maneuver generalship like Hindenberg and Rommel, and guys like Monash and Brusilov who have great ability in a static battlefield. It’d make a fine PhD drilling down to the individual competency gifts of such people.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 28, 2021 1:34 pm

Hysterical activism is the greatest dead weight an otherwise noble cause can have.

partly right.

You need a corrupted and lazy media in cahoots as well.

Or do you think its an accident the one ‘ditch the witch” sign, at one protest is broadcast every time they wheel out the lying Slapper for another whinge about muh soggy knees?
Every protest or group will have a fringe element, some deliberate stirrers, others mistaken, and finally an opportunistic group who will use the issue to run their own agenda/hobby horse.

What make the difference is how much the media chooses to focus on the fringe and frame the story around them.

We have people in the Libs/Lab who are completely ga-ga.
Penny “we had a baby” Wong for example.

Also what extremest radical platform is this statement taken from, and are the garage Nazis yet?

As Australia begins our vaccine rollout, we believe Covid-19 vaccines should be provided on a voluntary basis and free of charge to the whole population.

Hidden answer here…

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 28, 2021 1:39 pm

Mind you they also have this doozey..

Fight the climate emergency with 700% renewable energy

Zipster
Zipster
October 28, 2021 1:41 pm

“More than 280 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines have now been secured to support the COVID-19 vaccine roll-out.”

10 lots of boosters?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 28, 2021 1:41 pm

Found the Rust film ladies shooting lesson picture.

Anyone whos fired a decent caliber rifle or shotty will cringe.

comment image

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 28, 2021 1:42 pm

Hysterical activism is the greatest dead weight

Environmentalist activism proves this wrong.

In a normal society gluing oneself to a road or to train tracks would merit a well-deserved Darwin Award. Bit messy to clean up afterwards, but merited.

cohenite
October 28, 2021 1:45 pm

Found the Rust film ladies shooting lesson picture.

Anyone whos fired a decent caliber rifle or shotty will cringe.

Women shooters are not all idiots:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yph9YCF9ldE

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 28, 2021 1:50 pm

2 days, 22 hours, 11 minutes.
And counting.
Final fitting of Hale Bopp Nikes this afternoon at 5:00 pm.

A Suggestion
A Suggestion
October 28, 2021 1:55 pm

I think you missed the significance of the phrase “otherwise noble cause”. Neither of those causes is in any imaginable way “noble”.

That’s just the point isn’t it. THEY regard their cause as noble and will excuse ANY action in its advancement. What “we” regard as noble is hobbled by ANY excuse by both them and us.

Baba
Baba
October 28, 2021 1:56 pm

2 days, 22 hours, 11 minutes.
And counting.

Great work, Sancho.

Can you please also keep track of the number of days, hours and minutes to the implementation of the Dantatorship?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 28, 2021 2:02 pm

THEY regard their cause as noble and will excuse ANY action in its advancement.

Noble cause corruption (wiki)

Been a whole series of these lately, the global warming one being the biggest and the covid one the most nasty. So far at least.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
October 28, 2021 2:07 pm

Bruce, I reckon the CAGW bull is worse.
Its been going on foe 30+ years, whereas the covid scare will end shortly after Melbinburg trials and executions.

Bons
October 28, 2021 2:15 pm

It must be summer. Three brown snakes on the bike paths this morning. I’m not good with snakes so when I came across the third and largest one sunning itself on the bitumen I was about to turn around and flee.
An elderly pedestrian lady arrived, grabbed stick and bashed the path with it then threw it at the snake. It disappeared at a speed that amazed me.
“They’re dozy in the morning, you have to wake them up and shoo the pests away”.
Think I’ll stick with the go elsewhere strategy.

Razey
Razey
October 28, 2021 2:18 pm

Bonssays:
October 28, 2021 at 2:15 pm
It must be summer. Three brown snakes on the bike paths this morning. I’m not good with snakes so when I came across the third and largest one sunning itself on the bitumen I was about to turn around and flee.
An elderly pedestrian lady arrived, grabbed stick and bashed the path with it then threw it at the snake. It disappeared at a speed that amazed me.

Not a smart move with a Brown snake. They are more than likely to attack you if you pull that shit.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
October 28, 2021 2:19 pm

Think I’ll stick with the go elsewhere strategy.

Solution 12G or 4-10 are known to work.

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 28, 2021 2:25 pm

The atmosphere of Mars is already 99% CO2, so a little more isn’t going to do anything much, except maybe cause an extremely cold planet to get a tiny amount warmer.

Around 5 to 6 deg C IIRC. Actually 95% CO2. No great greenhouse effect even though there is around 25 to 30 times as much CO2 over every square meter of Mars as there is on Earth.
Lack of great effect because the total pressure is low so less line broadening and Mars is colder to begin with so the infrared emissions are more in the transmission window.

That Mars bio rocket fuel article is demented. Have these idiots not heard of the Sabatier process? CO2 + H2O + energy = 2O2 + CH4 and that is what was planned by Bob Zubrin 30+ years ago and now Elon Musk. Lots of good reasons for this method and no you don’t transport methane from Earth.

Eyrie
Eyrie
October 28, 2021 2:28 pm

The last major German victory of any import was the Battle of Bautzen. It was an enormous tank battle involving over 1500 tanks. The Germans wiped out nearly two Guards armies. It was fought in April, 1945. The Battle to retake Lauban in April – May represented the last real blitzkrieg of the German Army where the Luftwaffe and the Wehrmacht operated in a co-ordinated fashion to retake the town of Lauban in Silesia, which they absolutely had to have since it was a major rail hub. The Germans took the town and held it to the surrender, allowing the coal mines to produce tens of thousands of tons of coal and send them into Germany right up until the end of the war.

Try never to go up against German soldiers. Competent and stubborn even when the cause is lost.
Santa Anna might have been in trouble at the Alamo if the defenders were all Germans.

local oaf
October 28, 2021 2:32 pm

This is the first time ancient DNA has been used to confirm a familial relationship between living and historical individuals.

How did they track down the living descendant of Richard 111?

Was it with genealogy?

Zipster
Zipster
October 28, 2021 2:37 pm

China warns US of ‘game-changing’ consequences if it pushes to include Taiwan in the UN
Washington’s call for the island’s ‘meaningful participation’ in the international body has prompted a furious response from Beijing

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure

The Washington Post:
Men shot by Kyle Rittenhouse can be called ‘rioters’ and ‘looters’ but not ‘victims,’ judge rules

A Wisconsin judge ruled Monday that attorneys in the Kyle Rittenhouse murder trial could refer to the men the teen shot in Kenosha, Wis., last year as “rioters,” “looters” and “arsonists.” They could not, however, describe Joseph Rosenbaum and Anthony Huber, who were killed, and Gaige Grosskreutz, who was wounded, as “victims” because the term was “loaded,” the judge said.

JC
JC
October 28, 2021 2:43 pm

Can I ask about Bosi? He used to post at the Cat a lot . He announced his wife was (unfortunately) very ill and then I rarely really him saw him comment again. From vague memory, I would describe his views (in my terms) as military right as his comments appeared coded in that sort of language. It wasn’t “bad” or anything, but just how he came across to me like a particular speech code.
I recall a really hilarious event when the Conrad Hilton of FNQ was stoushing trolling and went into a ethnic slur/ diatribe against me about how Italians were/are cowards. Bosi came on the site just after the imbecile had posted those comments and I asked Bosi what he thought about Driller isuggesting his was a coward. Sometimes silence speaks volumes. Timing is everything. 🙂
Getting back to the point…
What’s made him appear to be off centre these days as I haven’t followed him and no one has really explained? Those who talk about him seem to all know the background story. What is it.

Old School Conservative
Old School Conservative
October 28, 2021 2:43 pm

In fact, I can’t remember one going quietly since Wally Grout.

He is also the only one to have a drinking term named after him.

JC
JC
October 28, 2021 2:44 pm

Speak of the Moloch.

Zipster
Zipster
October 28, 2021 2:45 pm

It must be summer. Three brown snakes on the bike paths this morning.

let me guess …. qld?

JC
JC
October 28, 2021 2:46 pm

Drills

I swear , I’m not having a go at you for this moment. Do you recall that? The timing of that was classic.

JC
JC
October 28, 2021 2:54 pm

Travel is going to be delightful.

How flying with Qantas is changing

Flying with Qantas when international travel returns on Monday? Expect vegan meal options and get to the airport four hours early.

twostix
twostix
October 28, 2021 2:58 pm

280 million sounds like a lot of vaccines for Australia.

With losses seems like about 8 ‘jabs’ per person.

After your fifth ‘jab’, if you get a little sick of it and want to stop, you won’t be allowed to. You’ll just be like the unvaccinated filth and your passport will go red and you’ll be banned and harrassed from life.

Good luck!

shatterzzz
October 28, 2021 2:59 pm

It must be summer. Three brown snakes on the bike paths this morning.

I came across mummy magpie escorting 3 minor maggies across the bike path yesterday .. WOW! did she throw a tantrum! .. head on screeching and full wing beating whilst standing her ground .. never realised what a wingspan full grown maggies have must have been 3 foot across .. soon as the kiddies were across she ambled after them as if nothing had happened ..!

rosie
rosie
October 28, 2021 2:59 pm

After missing out on the great share sell off early last year I haven’t looked at my account since, til this morning.

Bluescope. Forgot I owned any.

Zipster
Zipster
October 28, 2021 3:03 pm

China in Focus – NTD
Tiffany Meier
01:04 Did NIH fund risky virus study in Wuhan?
05:03 NIH wipes detailed G.O.F. research page
07:05 China, Russia not to attend G20, climate Con.
08:45 Green transition may benefit China
11:27 Beijing denounces U.S. call to support Taiwan
12:08 TikTok exec. testifies on China espionage
14:11 U.S. bans top Chinese telecom company
15:26 Song mocking China’s online troll army goes viral
20:42 Think tank head: Beijing is waging a war on faith

EvilElvis
EvilElvis
October 28, 2021 3:05 pm

“More than 280 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines have now been secured to support the COVID-19 vaccine roll-out.”

Don’t tell me there’s a baby boom happening that we don’t know about. We haven’t got over the last one yet…

JC
JC
October 28, 2021 3:06 pm

These Hollywood idiots have zero common sense. In fact it’s actually negative commone sense, which is why they should never speak about anything other than film making and if they do, they should be ignored.

The other day, I learnt a new word as result of the Bladwin killing. “Armorist”.

Yesterday I learnt another. “Plinking”.

Plinking is when are guns used on the set and the crew go and have a little fun during time off using the guns to shoot at beer cans. That’s plinking. Those guns are then used for acting scenes loaded with blanks of whatever.. This is so mind boggling dangerous to dual use guns like this.

Zipster
Zipster
October 28, 2021 3:06 pm

How flying with Qantas is changing

woke cavity searches

JC
JC
October 28, 2021 3:07 pm

lol

P
P
October 28, 2021 3:07 pm

twostixsays:
October 28, 2021 at 2:58 pm

After your fifth ‘jab’, if you get a little sick of it and want to stop, you won’t be allowed to. You’ll just be like the unvaccinated filth and your passport will go red and you’ll be banned and harrassed from life.

My thoughts too when reading the media release of 25 July 2021,
I tried to research a bit and now think it may have someting to do with COVAX (Scroll down to this sub-heading) from this govt site updated
27 September 2021.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 28, 2021 3:09 pm

I’d appreciate your thoughts on the 17% increase in young male deaths compared to a five year sample. It was dismissed by AP with a corresponding 11% decrease in females. Not quite sure why that’s significant.

Calli: I’m really not a Vaccination Warrior, and I’m on my phone, so time series analysis is awkward.
But seeing as it’s you:

When you look at the ONS data for 2020 and 2021, the first thing that you see is that the number of weekly deaths in the 15-19 age group is mercifully low, between about 7 and 12 per week.

The total summer difference between male deaths in 2020 and 2021 is 101 – or ~4 per week. The standard deviation over the same period in 2021 is 4 per week (similar in 2020).

Plotting the data shows the same slight upward trend across summer in both years, and no sign of carnage as the vaccine was rolled out into younger age groups.

I can’t do much more on the hoof. But this all tells me that the data set is tiny compared to the 3.6 million cohort and wide open to statistical problems.

Robust conclusions like ‘This is EVIDENCE that vaccines are slaughtering Britain’s youth – why is everyone silent just don’t stand up to casual scrutiny.

There will be a different view based on 5 years of data. But too hard to do atm.

calli
calli
October 28, 2021 3:11 pm

Thanks Faustus. It just had me intrigued. Both the original article and the fact check seemed a little “off”.

JC
JC
October 28, 2021 3:14 pm

Excellent analysis, Dr. F. Linking with the phone was also masterful 🙂

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 28, 2021 3:17 pm

JCsays:
October 28, 2021 at 3:06 pm
These Hollywood idiots have zero common sense. In fact it’s actually negative commone sense, which is why they should never speak about anything other than film making and if they do, they should be ignored.

I think it was Anthony Hopkins who said that actors are usually not very intelligent. Their job is to wear what they are told to, stand where they are told to, do what they are told to and say what they are told to. No thought required.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
October 28, 2021 3:19 pm

Another thing to consider about Sir John Monash is his background.

As a Civil Engineer circa 1910, Monash was a pioneer of the use of Reinforced Concrete in his projects.

He was always across his material and the research and application of innovations.

As such, Combined Arms practice (as demonstrated from Le Hamel onwards) was going to come out of someone like him. The less stratified and more innovative nature of the First AIF relative to its parent Commands would have helped this, too.

Also keep in mind that while the scale was constrained, the final Allied campaigns of WW1 were manoeuvre warfare in relatively open terrain.

Indolent
Indolent
October 28, 2021 3:22 pm

But we better lodge the patent.
Don’t want to do the wrong thing.

Whether it makes sense or not, that’s what they’ve been doing for at least the last 20 years. Just ask Dr. David Martin. It may well have to do with profit. Even in this dystopian world they still want proprietary ownership of their killing fields methods.

JC
JC
October 28, 2021 3:23 pm

B John.

They’re Artists. They have zero conception of shit like trade offs, how funding things costs money, and consequences. They don’t think that way. They should simply be ignored and/or treated as perpetual minors. They’re opinions are zero.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
October 28, 2021 3:24 pm

woke cavity searches

How much do they charge for these and are their charges reasonable.

Asking for a fiend.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 28, 2021 3:26 pm

Lizzie – Sorry to hear about your mum.

Bruce, the worst was in my childhood and early teenage years – the latter particularly tough, and all in the uncomprehending 1950’s in dire poverty. My father also had a severe psychiatric illness at that time too. If I reminisce here in my later age I guess it is because I am still processing it. Both of my parents recovered sufficiently to survive and live independently. I am glad of that. My sister and I had a difficult time through those years, helping and living where we could, always employed; a story of its own some time. We’ve both done well, which is a tribute to the 1950’s and 60’s in a strange way.

I am sorry to hear about your mum. These things can strike suddenly, and sometimes are over quickly too with modern medications. It is hard on the child, no matter how old or even adult that child is, and I do so console you over the stress of it. Glad she’s ok now.

My point was it has turned me into a fairly hard-headed scientific and lab-based skeptic with little toleration for nano-wrigglers pulled out of the air. I wouldn’t disgree that there has been noble cause corruption with both global warming and with Covid. For the former, the hypothesis is lacking causative detail, depends on modelling and has no solid empirical verification, all of which is fundamental, so corruption becomes essential to sustain the climate scam. For the latter, the epidemiologal data has been ‘in process’ and uncertain making conclusions difficult and procedural hesitancy understandable, but the disease is real and the vaxxes a ‘first response’, take it or leave it. In both Anthropogenic Climate Change and Sars-Cov-2 there has been a lot of political obfuscation.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 28, 2021 3:30 pm

What’s made him appear to be off centre these days as I haven’t followed him and no one has really explained? Those who talk about him seem to all know the background story. What is it.

I honestly don’t know JC.
Has he gone “off the rails” in the last 18 months?
Or has he always believed this stuff and has decided he isn’t holding it in any more?
Some people do this.
They start out with a topic like, say, Hillary Clinton and the corrupt Democrats. A target rich environment in and of itself. But that is not enough for them. Next minute they are all swivel-eyed ‘pizzagate with red shoes’ loons.
Is it some sort of “Topper alert” desire to have an even more shocking story than the last one?
This is just me speculating, right.
But I think we have a 61 year old whose post military career hasn’t been quite as glittering as he thought it should have been, and he is becoming increasingly shrill and desparate. The failures must be due to “dark forces”.
Not him.

Zipster
Zipster
October 28, 2021 3:31 pm
Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 28, 2021 3:34 pm

JC
Idiot actors and film crew were using a Colt single action. This video by an old timer tells the dangers involved.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHLS7VrBb3w

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 28, 2021 3:39 pm

Took the team to lunch today at Pendolino.
I ask what everyone is feeling like to drink & not a single one of them wanted booze.
Strange days.
After mains, the waiter does the obligatory would you like a dessert menu.
I was the only one who said no.
Stranger days.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 28, 2021 3:40 pm

When there’s no booze, dining out in Sydney is pretty reasonable.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 28, 2021 3:41 pm

Nice work Dr F at 3:09.
Nothing like a bit of analysis to prove or disprove the odd hypothesis.
Or decide it requires closer examination.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 28, 2021 3:41 pm

Sancho Panzersays:
October 28, 2021 at 12:14 pm
John of Mel.
And the idea was ditched because attempts to measure distance between devices couldn’t be refined.
Example.
If a subject turned up at the MCG for a big match it would probably generate 40,000 contacts.
Plus a few on the footpath as he rode home on the tram.

That is the civilian version of GPS. Accurate to about 3 metres. The military version is accurate to about 300 mm. The civilian version has something called dither added to the location. Does anyone remember a couple of years ago a Yank Navy boat in the Black Sea had its location many miles inland of its real position off the coast of Romania. The Ruskies testing a new weapon supposedly.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 28, 2021 3:42 pm

I came across mummy magpie escorting 3 minor maggies across the bike path yesterday .. WOW! did she throw a tantrum!

Fun this morning Shatterzzz when went for a walk. A brown streak went past at eye level and impacted in some long grass near a nearby house. I wondered what I’d just seen so went over. A small brown dove-chick. I think it’d tried first flight and faceplanted abjectly. So I picked it up and put it into a small tree. Later when I went for a ride there was mum in tree next to kid, so I felt I’d done OK.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 28, 2021 3:44 pm

JCsays:
October 28, 2021 at 3:23 pm
B John.

They’re Artists. They have zero conception of shit like trade offs, how funding things costs money, and consequences. They don’t think that way. They should simply be ignored and/or treated as perpetual minors. They’re opinions are zero.

Fully agree, hence my reference to Hopkins’ comment. Tell them what to wear, do and say and then ignore them if they express an opinion.

Indolent
Indolent
October 28, 2021 3:45 pm

EXPERIMENT: What In The Weird. Bluetooth Connectivity – Vaccine. US11107588B2.

No responsibility taken, it gobbledegook to me but some tech savvy person might like to have a look.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 28, 2021 3:47 pm

Ah, yes, patents.
I seem to remember someone on the Dead Cat banging on about virus and vaccine patents pre-dating 2020.
Official looking documents quickly scanned over in a video, with a doom-laden “Inconvenient Truth” voice-over.
It all blew up when someone asked for two pieces of simple information.
The actual patent numbers and jurisdictions they were taken out.

rickw
rickw
October 28, 2021 3:48 pm

JC
Idiot actors and film crew were using a Colt single action. This video by an old timer tells the dangers involved.

Let me guess, no transfer bar, so that if you lift and drop the hammer it will go off no matter what you’re doing with the trigger?

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 28, 2021 3:49 pm

While you are here Lizzie I wish to thankyou for being the inspiration for me to do some work in the writing department. I have these stories in my head without being able to express them as I wished to. Well I have made a start. Being only for my own edification I expect nothing except the joy of doing it as life for me is the journey not the destination.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 28, 2021 3:52 pm

Baldwin was practising a cross body quick draw, no doubt lifted the hammer on something on the way through and the rest is history.
Too damn dangerous as a stunt gun without serious modification. We don’t know if it was modified but either way the gun should be checked as it passes to a new set of hands.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 28, 2021 3:53 pm

Robust conclusions like ‘This is EVIDENCE that vaccines are slaughtering Britain’s youth – why is everyone silent’ just don’t stand up to casual scrutiny.

There will be a different view based on 5 years of data.

Yes. Small numbers of deaths against a huge cohort.
At this stage, leave it to the statisticians who can tease more out of the data.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 28, 2021 3:56 pm

Let me guess, no transfer bar, so that if you lift and drop the hammer it will go off no matter what you’re doing with the trigger?

The armourer’s father was also a fillem armourer.
He also had an interest in “quick draw” competitions.
These weapons are modified to fire with a minimum of intervention and they use wax slugs rather than lead bullets for safety.
Given she probably wouldn’t have had her own inventory of weapons, did she borrow some of daddy’s which were “light” on the firing mechanisms.
Apparently this gun had already “misfired” on set twice.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 28, 2021 4:03 pm

Mr Anthony Cumia (of Compound Media, I might have mentioned him before) said the gun that was used has a single “gate” that rounds need to be loaded into one by one.
He reckons it’s a lazy/inexperienced person who opens “the gate” sees it’s empty & then thinks the whole gun is empty.
Which it’s not.

shatterzzz
October 28, 2021 4:21 pm

Geez! this Baldwin shooting is really getting a work-out .. they have been making movies involving guns going BANG for over a century and, obviously, things have gotten out of hand (or barrel) occasionally! I think 2 other deaths have been mentioned here, neither of which I recall, but reality is if the shooter had been an also-ran somebody would be in gaol now & the news cycle moved on.
But as it’s a, supposedly, high profile anti -Trump actor involved the blame game is well and truly in play .. anyone except the trigger-puller-must-have-dun-it conspiracies abound … they haven’t reached the tea-lady yet but …….. LOL!

John of Mel
John of Mel
October 28, 2021 4:23 pm

McAfee warned us.

Look at the date.
Freaky.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 28, 2021 4:26 pm

How flying with Qantas is changing

Flying with Qantas when international travel returns on Monday? Expect vegan meal options and get to the airport four hours early.

For the probing?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 28, 2021 4:30 pm

GreyRanga, that’s a surprise. I had no idea I might inspire anyone, except perhaps that it was at the Cat that I discovered a runaway capacity to knock out words that some (by no means all!) wanted to read, and thus I inflict or trial some of them here. I’ve learned that if they tell you to shut up, you should probably red pen quite a bit of it. 🙂
Best of luck with your stories. Writing is its own satisfaction, no matter what others think of it.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 28, 2021 4:30 pm

Indolentsays:

October 28, 2021 at 3:45 pm

EXPERIMENT: What In The Weird. Bluetooth Connectivity – Vaccine. US11107588B2.

No responsibility taken

Mrs Panzer is vaccinated.
I did exactly as described in the article and all Bluetooth devices were identifiable.
(Three speakers, two smartwatches).
I understand the standard vax needle is 25 gauge, which I think has an internal diameter of 0.25 mm.
If I could miniaturise a bluetooth transmitter to fit through that slot I’d be playing Friday night poker with Elon Musk.
I wouldn’t be fucking around putting trackers in vaccines.
Please.
Enough.

Bar Beach Swimmer
October 28, 2021 4:30 pm

I searched for an update on Novavax and found this – for some reason I can’t just copy the link and put it up.

BoN, if you’re around, what do you think of this?

Novavax Files for Authorization of its COVID-19 Vaccine in the United Kingdom. (27/10/21)

Filing marks first protein-based COVID-19 vaccine submitted to MHRA for authorization
All modules required for regulatory review, including CMC data, are now complete
Submission based on Phase 3 data from ~45K patients demonstrating high efficacy and well-tolerated safety, including against variants
Submissions to additional global regulatory authorities including EU, Canada and Australia expected soon
GAITHERSBURG, Md., Oct. 27, 2021 /PRNewswire/ — Novavax, Inc. (Nasdaq: NVAX), a biotechnology company dedicated to developing and commercializing next-generation vaccines for serious infectious diseases, today announced the completion of its rolling regulatory submission to the U.K. Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) for authorization of its COVID-19 vaccine candidate. The company’s application for Conditional Marketing Authorization (CMA) marks the first submission for authorization of a protein-based COVID-19 vaccine in the United Kingdom.

“This submission brings Novavax significantly closer to delivering millions of doses of the first protein-based COVID-19 vaccine, built on a proven, well-understood vaccine platform that demonstrated high efficacy against multiple strains of the coronavirus,” said Stanley C. Erck, President and Chief Executive Officer, Novavax. “We look forward to MHRA’s review and will be prepared to deliver vaccine doses following what we anticipate will be a positive decision. We thank the clinical trial participants and trial sites in the United Kingdom, as well as the U.K. Vaccines Taskforce, for their support and vital contributions to this program.”

Novavax has now completed the submission of all modules required by MHRA for the regulatory review of NVX-CoV2373, the company’s recombinant nanoparticle protein-based COVID-19 vaccine with Matrix-M™ adjuvant. This includes preclinical, clinical, and chemistry, manufacturing and controls (CMC) data. Clinical data from a pivotal Phase 3 trial of 15,000 volunteers in the U.K. was submitted to MHRA earlier this year in which NVX-CoV2373 demonstrated efficacy of 96.4% against the original virus strain, 86.3% against the Alpha (B.1.1.7) variant and 89.7% efficacy overall, as well as a favorable safety and tolerability profile. The submission also includes data from PREVENT-19, a 30,000-person trial in the U.S. and Mexico, which demonstrated 100% protection against moderate and severe disease and 90.4% efficacy overall. NVX-CoV2373 was generally well-tolerated and elicited a robust antibody response.

Novavax expects to complete additional regulatory filings in key markets, including Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the World Health Organization and other markets around the world shortly following the U.K. submission. In the U.S., Novavax expects to submit the complete package to the FDA by the end of the year. The company continues to work closely with governments, regulatory authorities and non-governmental organizations (NGOs) in its commitment to ensuring equitable global access to its COVID-19 vaccine.

“The submission to MHRA leverages our manufacturing partnership with the Serum Institute of India, the world’s largest supplier of COVID-19 vaccines,” said Rick Crowley, Executive Vice President, Chief Operations Officer, Novavax. “In the near future, we expect to supplement this filing with supply from our global supply chain.”

Click here to view multimedia content, including B-roll and other resources that accompany this press release.

About NVX-CoV2373
NVX-CoV2373 is a protein-based vaccine candidate engineered from the genetic sequence of the first strain of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19 disease. NVX-CoV2373 was created using Novavax’ recombinant nanoparticle technology to generate antigen derived from the coronavirus spike (S) protein and is formulated with Novavax’ patented saponin-based Matrix-M™ adjuvant to enhance the immune response and stimulate high levels of neutralizing antibodies. NVX-CoV2373 contains purified protein antigen and can neither replicate nor can it cause COVID-19.

Novavax’ COVID-19 vaccine is packaged as a ready-to-use liquid formulation in a vial containing ten doses. The vaccination regimen calls for two 0.5 ml doses (5 microgram antigen and 50 microgram Matrix-M™ adjuvant) given intramuscularly 21 days apart. The vaccine is stored at 2°- 8° Celsius, enabling the use of existing vaccine supply and cold chain channels.

About Matrix-M™ Adjuvant
Novavax’ patented saponin-based Matrix-M™ adjuvant has demonstrated a potent and well-tolerated effect by stimulating the entry of antigen-presenting cells into the injection site and enhancing antigen presentation in local lymph nodes, boosting immune response.

About Novavax
Novavax, Inc. (Nasdaq: NVAX) is a biotechnology company that promotes improved health globally through the discovery, development and commercialization of innovative vaccines to prevent serious infectious diseases. The company’s proprietary recombinant technology platform combines the power and speed of genetic engineering to efficiently produce highly immunogenic nanoparticles designed to address urgent global health needs. Novavax is conducting late-stage clinical trials for NVX-CoV2373, its vaccine candidate against SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. NanoFlu™, its quadrivalent influenza nanoparticle vaccine, met all primary objectives in its pivotal Phase 3 clinical trial in older adults. Both vaccine candidates incorporate Novavax’ proprietary saponin-based Matrix-M™ adjuvant to enhance the immune response and stimulate high levels of neutralizing antibodies

Cassie of Sydney
October 28, 2021 4:31 pm

“JCsays:
October 28, 2021 at 2:43 pm”

Whilst I’ve only met Ricardo three times and the last time was well over two years ago….pre-Covid, I found him personable and intelligent. He was most certainly not a loon. I always thought him to be a solid conservative.

“What’s made him appear to be off centre these days as I haven’t followed him and no one has really explained? Those who talk about him seem to all know the background story. What is it.”

Who knows, maybe he’s angry about the state of the world but he’s not the only one. Many of us are but we don’t rant and rave about pedophile conspiracies. I know he got done over by Cory Bernardi with Bernardi’s vanity project, the Australian Conservatives but again, he wasn’t the only one. When you’re angry you need to channel it…..and I don’t think falling for and spruiking conspiracies, particularly pedophile conspiracies, is recommended. I also note that in one of his Youtube videos earlier this year, he ranted, raved and dissed Sky News……the only media that has ever given him a platform. Well he’s now slammed that door shut.

As for his rave at the magistrate, I found it laughable and quite frankly, immature. He finished off his tirade with the word “begone”….well he got that right, Ricardo’s political career is now “begone”…forever.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 28, 2021 4:32 pm

For the probing?

Why else, flying Quaintarse.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 28, 2021 4:32 pm

Also keep in mind that while the scale was constrained, the final Allied campaigns of WW1 were manoeuvre warfare in relatively open terrain.

Always an interesting point – those who condemn the British and Dominion armies as “Lions led by donkey’s” usually have nothing to say about the “Hundred Day’s” – the longest series of victories in the British Armies history, when, contrary to later propaganda, the German Army was completely shattered and retreating as fast as they could.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 28, 2021 4:36 pm

I intend to weave “begone” into everyday conversation a lot more.
It is a vastly underutilised word.
Of course, it does lack impact when the subject of your “begone” has already pre-emptively begoned himself.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 28, 2021 4:38 pm

I know he got done over by Cory Bernardi with Bernardi’s vanity project, the Australian Conservatives

Do tell!
I mean, I know Bernardi was a complete dud, but is there anything more to it?

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 28, 2021 4:38 pm

I had never heard of Monash until I read AJP Taylor’s The First World War, where he describes him as the “only general of creative originality”* produced by the war – a startling tribute in a book where the war is characterised as the tragic playing out through millions of men’s lives of the stupidity, stubbornness and conceitedness of generals.

In fact I grew up wondering how it was that the western allies won either war, but moreso the second where the Germans seemed so much more flashy and brilliant. But that might have been it. The Nazis were blinded to risk by novelty, while the allies eschewed novelty to avoid of the risk. When the Me-262 appeared the allies did not suddenly divert resources to produce masses more Gloster Meteors. They plodded on with the same bombing strategy against German infrastructure because it was working.

I saw a program the other night about a German attempt to get a grip on he status or British radar in the last days of peace prior to the war. They had seen the towers being erected on the coast and sent a Zeppelin with a crack team of specialists to verify what it was. They reported back that whatever they were for, it was not radar. How did they miss it? Their radar was based on sending kHz of pulses out to detect objects. They heard nothing like that.

The British, because they were in a hurry and opted to work with what they had rather than accept delays while they devised additional technologies, used the national power grid. 25Hz. The resolution was still plenty good enough – how far could an object move in 0.04 of a second. But it meant they had the national grid to provide the enormous amounts of power and, surely most brilliant, it meant that all the towers were synchronised. A gigantic array. They had tracked the Zeppelin the whole way up and down the coast uninterrupted.

The Germans had received the radar transmissions, which they heard as a ‘tick-tick-tick’, but attributed it to the sparking of normal electrical transmission towers, which would arc at, you guessed it, 25Hz.

*Yes, that is a quote. I just double checked in my copy. Page 232.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 28, 2021 4:38 pm

What about working “you have no standing” & “begone” into the one sentence/rant/diatribe?

Cassie of Sydney
October 28, 2021 4:40 pm

“Do tell!
I mean, I know Bernardi was a complete dud, but is there anything more to it?”

No, it’s just that Bernardi made the unilateral decision after May 2019 to simply fold the party and left people like Ricardo in the cold.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 28, 2021 4:42 pm

I’ve just been looking at our two Currawong fledgies testing out the edges of the nest again. They’re going to be off very soon. They are also beginning to be aware of each other. This is heart-in-mouth time for us anxious humans peering at them through a window. Not yet, I’m whispering to them. I am a bit worried they are too fat. All that pork mince. Nature likes slimness and keeping things lean, I remind myself, running hands over my own Covid kilos. At least I am not trying to fly, which is one consolation.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 28, 2021 4:42 pm

I think KD needs to get on board too.
Everytime he gives a “near enough is good enough” LBW against a lefty, he should raise the finger and say “Begone, mollyduker!”.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 28, 2021 4:46 pm

No, it’s just that Bernardi made the unilateral decision after May 2019 to simply fold the party and left people like Ricardo in the cold.

Oh, yes, I had forgotten that.
I do recall Bernardi conducting an insipid Trumble style campaign.
Still, you’d think an ex SAS type would have enough starch in his shirt to shake that off and move on.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 28, 2021 4:50 pm

There are less than 4000 people over the age of 16 in the ACT who haven’t had any jabs yet.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 28, 2021 4:51 pm

Of course, it does lack impact when the subject of your “begone” has already pre-emptively begoned himself.

Hang on. I’ll check.

Liability Bob – begone!
Birdstein – begone!

Hey – it works!

JC
JC
October 28, 2021 4:51 pm

Their opinions not freaking they’re.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 28, 2021 4:51 pm

JC spelling like he’s a zerohedge commenter.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 28, 2021 4:52 pm

Seriously Dover, is there some DARPA spell check running here to make us all look like idiots when the red shoes take over?

rosie
rosie
October 28, 2021 4:55 pm

The only way to know for sure re adolescent deaths in the UK would be to examine death certificates.
I sort of got the impression that teenagers tended to stay indoors because of lockdowns in 2020 so there were less boys dying, by misadventure, car accidents, homicide etc than usual, then in 2021 they made up for that.

Carpe Jugulum
Carpe Jugulum
October 28, 2021 4:56 pm

Do tell!
I mean, I know Bernardi was a complete dud, but is there anything more to it?

When he folded the party he took the name with him so that any chance of building on the work already done was taken away.

Kind of a dog act really

Dot
Dot
October 28, 2021 4:59 pm

So its a breech loader like a Lithgow .22 LR?

Cassie of Sydney
October 28, 2021 4:59 pm

“When he folded the party he took the name with him so that any chance of building on the work already done was taken away.

Kind of a dog act really”

Correct.

duncanm
duncanm
October 28, 2021 4:59 pm

This is so mind boggling dangerous to dual use guns like this.

exactly.

I couldn’t fathom why the #1 rule of gun safety on film sets wasn’t ‘no live rounds anywhere, at any time’.

calli
calli
October 28, 2021 5:00 pm

Something from the Bard –

Away, thou issue of a mangy dog!
– Timon of Athens, Act 4

You could substitute “begone!” quite adequately. If the dog had three legs…

Dot
Dot
October 28, 2021 5:01 pm

When he folded the party he took the name with him so that any chance of building on the work already done was taken away.

Kind of a dog act really

Turbullshit was behind it all along, IMO.

The prick had deadshit Corman pass the dreadful new Senate voting laws.

calli
calli
October 28, 2021 5:02 pm

Rosie, fewer deaths by misadventure sounded right to me too.

JC
JC
October 28, 2021 5:02 pm

Shut up Bern.

I swear, I take a brief look and it all looks okay. I think I may be a tad on the Dyslex side as it’s getting worse as I get older or it’s the autocorrect. I dunno which, but I’m also jockeying around a couple of screens. And FFS it’s a freaking blog. who cares?

Stevie Cohen apparently is shocking … miles worse, which means I share exalted company. 🙂

calli
calli
October 28, 2021 5:04 pm

Ahaha!

My mangy derg with no standing was left at the page turn. Probably for the best.

If you want some really good insults, Timon of Athens is your go to text.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 28, 2021 5:04 pm

So its a breech loader like a Lithgow .22 LR?

I know nothing apart from the tutorial on his show earlier this week.
The 1800’s revolvers weren’t like today’s revolvers.
They were “closed” at the grip end.
Apart from the “gate” to slide in each round.
Load one, rotate, load one rotate etc.
You had to count your shots because you couldn’t see any of the chambers apart from the one lined up with the “gate”.
I’m using the terms Cumia used on his show.
Considering he’s a gun nut with a small arsenal, he has some idea.

Dot
Dot
October 28, 2021 5:04 pm

·
51m
Teaching the next generation to be obedient worker ants.

That’s the SOLE PURPOSE of public education.

If you believe otherwise, you are ignorant.

JT Gatto documented a multi thesis long exposition of the evidence.

Believing otherwise after being told the truth is a combination of stupidity and sloth.

Dot
Dot
October 28, 2021 5:06 pm

Considering he’s a gun nut with a small arsenal

Did he ever work on midget porn?

Sorry. Could not resist.

John of Mel
John of Mel
October 28, 2021 5:09 pm

That is the civilian version of GPS. Accurate to about 3 metres. The military version is accurate to about 300 mm.

5G has a similar if not more accurate precision.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 28, 2021 5:10 pm

Well played Dot, see the quartermaster for another ration of rum.

JC, I can’t help myself now.
My zerohedging will be daily :).
Unless Bosi-ween actually happens :(.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 28, 2021 5:10 pm

Now my emojis don’t work.

🙁
🙂

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 28, 2021 5:11 pm

Now they do.
Got it, no full stop afterwards.
Otherwise it looks gay.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 28, 2021 5:17 pm

Seriously Dover, is there some DARPA spell check running here to make us all look like idiots when the red shoes take over?

In all seriousness the gruinaid moderators do this in their comments section.

When I bothered (between bannings) I was perplexed by how some of the comments seemed to come out so mangled or spellwrecked when they seemed fine before.
So I actually cut and pasted a few onto word before posting. When I went back to see if there were responses or arguments to comments I found some (not all) of the comments were monged up by someone else.
Generally any time you took 15 minutes to rebut someone, with links (best ones were gruinaid ones themselves) and well argued points, that was the ones which would be nobbled.

Really weird stuff from whats supposed to be a serious newspaper.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 28, 2021 5:18 pm

Much written about Monash above, but Currie was also very creative, particularly organisationally, moving to three engineer battalions in each division in 1918, rather than only three companies, plus a pontoon bridging unit. This enabled the Canadian Corps to advance quicker and for longer than other BEF divisions. He was also creative in his use of machine guns.

Russell made the best use of his limited New Zealand personnel resource, ensuring that his battalions were kept strong, in comparison to the greatly weakened Australian battalions in the Hundred Days.

Among the British, Ivor Maxse, who commanded successively the 18th (New Army) Division and the XVIII Corps, made significant advances in training methods from the time he arrived on the Western Front, and ended up as Director of Training for the BEF. Plumer of Second Army did not introduce any major tactical or technical innovations, but better than most, he learned how to use the existing tactics, to gain success.

Generals like Gough and Haking are best consigned to the dustbin of history.

Carpe Jugulum
Carpe Jugulum
October 28, 2021 5:18 pm

Dot says:
October 28, 2021 at 4:59 pm

So its a breech loader like a Lithgow .22 LR?

No, the ‘gate is a small flap at the rear right hand side of the cylinder to load rounds individually.

Gate loading pistol

They fire in single action only, that is, the hammer has to be cocked manually then pull the trigger.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 28, 2021 5:19 pm

I agree with Cassie about Riccardo, he is charming and intelligent. He came with his very nice wife to a sit-down dinner of 13 Cats (a baker’s dozen) at our place, where he contributed to the bonhomie and was much liked. His school-age kids played in another room where his unstinting attention to them showed a great dad; he was also such a gentle and loving husband to his obviously ill disabled wife.

Both Hairy and I felt that he was done over by the Australian Conservatives hierarchy. He appeared to many, including us. to be the best Senate candidate, as he’d had some good media exposure as a forceful and sensible conservative voice, but was put third on their list – unwinnable (though in the event there was no hope of even one candidate getting up). His ego must have found that hard to take but he still persevered with working for the Party. When the extent of the ongoing electoral debacle became apparent Cory disbanded the Party and Riccardo decided to forge out on his own, which I considered a mistake, just a further fragmentation of the centre-right. He also was taking a direction into extremist positions I did not share and did not see as having much electoral appeal, and which has now called his judgement into question. Perhaps the Aust Cons experience soured him in the wrong way. Perhaps I don’t know enough to say. Best to leave it at that.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 28, 2021 5:20 pm

That is the civilian version of GPS. Accurate to about 3 metres. The military version is accurate to about 300 mm. The civilian version has something called dither added to the location.

That’s certainly true for consumer real time GPS.

Survey GPS is much more accurate: 1:1million, or 100mm across 100 km. However each reading takes up to an hour of sampling different frequencies from multiple satellites and then correcting for wobbles and exotic physics.

So limited use for Covid apps.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 28, 2021 5:20 pm

Life of Brian stuff at ICAC and Borisjilkian
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/oct/28/daryl-maguire-tells-icac-he-discussed-marriage-and-children-with-gladys-berejiklian

In an explosive day of evidence in the New South Wales anti-corruption watchdog’s inquiry, Maguire, the former Wagga Wagga MP, also revealed that he and Berejiklian were in love with each other and had discussed getting married and having a child.

Shes 51 years old now… where was the fetus going to come from?

Bruce in WA
October 28, 2021 5:22 pm

I couldn’t fathom why the #1 rule of gun safety on film sets wasn’t ‘no live rounds anywhere, at any time’.

And that’s exactly what it’s supposed to be. It just beggars belief that they had (reportedly) hundreds of live rounds (as opposed to blanks) on a movie set.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 28, 2021 5:27 pm

Maguire has a head like a buttercup squash.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 28, 2021 5:27 pm

BoN, if you’re around, what do you think of this?

BBS – Sorry, I took off for a bicycle ride, just back. It looks very promising.

There’re details missing on the Novavax article you put up, but the upshot is they’re through approval in the UK. No favours like emergency approvals seem to be being given, maybe because the big boys don’t like the competition (someone on Instapundit this morning said Pfizer alone has 700 lobbyists in Washington DC…).

The essence is that the Novavax vaccine is a nanoparticle coated with spike proteins. That means it floats in the bloodstream and etc and presents itself to immune system cells there. This is good, basically like killed-virus vaccines do. The benefit of Novavax over a killed-virus vaccine is that all the supposedly killed virus may not be dead, or if it is over-killed it may not be effective. Thus an artificial vaccine like Novavax which emulates a killed-virus vaccine is meeting the best of both worlds.

The adjuvant is a thing which stimulates the immune system to react to the invader, so mount an antibody-generating defense against it. Which is what the whole idea is.

That the Novavax vaccine can be kept at 2 – 8 C means it is a lot more stable than the others, which require much colder storage temperatures especially the mRNA ones. That also means it isn’t mRNA based, therefore should be a lot less likely to cause autoimmune reactions like the myocarditis and clot issues we’ve seen with the others.

What I don’t see in the press release is how they make the spike protein itself. They mention genetic engineering. The crucial issue for someone like me is how that is done. That’s the problem with AZ. One of the interesting vaccines is the Covaxin killed-virus vaccine that is being produced in India. It uses a culture of green monkey cells to grow the virus in. That makes sense since in India they have a lot of Muslims, so would not want to use pig tissue. And they may have similar issues surrounding the human fetal cell line that AZ uses. Green monkey cells avoid those problems.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 28, 2021 5:30 pm

And that’s exactly what it’s supposed to be. It just beggars belief that they had (reportedly) hundreds of live rounds (as opposed to blanks) on a movie set.

The staff were also (reportedly) using the pistols to shoot at tin cans FFS…

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 28, 2021 5:33 pm

Much written about Monash above, but Currie was also very creative,

Interesting that neither Monash, nor Russell or Currie were regular soldiers.

Roger
Roger
October 28, 2021 5:34 pm

When he folded the party he took the name with him so that any chance of building on the work already done was taken away.

Kind of a dog act really

I suspect he sold his email subscribers list to a couple of conservative media outlets too.

Bruce in WA
October 28, 2021 5:35 pm

Flying with Quaintarse is going to be different when international travel restarts:

Speaking to reporters today from Qantas’ first class lounge at Sydney International Airport, chief customer officer Stephanie Tully said passengers would start to notice a few little changes from next week.

Kicking off her speech with a Welcome to Country, Ms Tully said that would be a feature from all Qantas flights from Monday.

“I’d like to start by acknowledging the traditional owners of the land, the Gadigal people of the Eora nation and pay my respect to leaders past, present and emerging,” she said.

“Actually, Welcome to Country is one of the things you’ll hear our crew doing once we restart as well, which is a new addition and something we’re really excited about.”

That must be because of the pre-European airline the Aborigines had — just ask Bruce Pascoe.

By mid-November, Qantas hopes to have its new menu in place, with one little tweak.

“One of the things we’ve been spending a lot of time talking to customers about over the last few years … and we’ve listened to what they have to say … so we are introducing plant-based options for the first time for all customers in all cabins,” Ms Tully said.

Examples of the plant-based menu include celeriac gratin with roast fennel, peas, mushroom and onion sauce and a ratatouille pasta bake with a herb crumb, cauliflower and green beans.

Iconic Australian ice-creams will also be added to the in-flight menu including Paddle Pops and Splices.

Another change passengers will notice is the end of the economy snack bar – a section of the plane where passengers could grab free food throughout their flight.

Due to Covid, Qantas has had to ditch the snack bar but is instead offering a new “movie service”.

“It’s one great example of our team pivoting with the times … so we’ll be roaming the economy cabin constantly with snacks and drinks, so it’s almost like a roaming movie service,” Ms Tully said.

Face masks will also remain mandatory on planes due to Australian government regulations.

And for this they want to slug you $4k for Sydney to LA — one way??

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 28, 2021 5:36 pm

Arec Bardwin has shot and killed more people than I expect 99% of the NRA’s members.

(Here I am excluding those current NRA members may have killed in combat since they are sent to places and told to kill people or else face charges.)

Bruce in WA
October 28, 2021 5:36 pm
Mother Lode
Mother Lode
October 28, 2021 5:38 pm

Oh, and if he had observed the gun discipline the NRA advocates, he those people would be in turn uninjured and alive.

Razey
Razey
October 28, 2021 5:40 pm

Bruce in WAsays:
October 28, 2021 at 5:36 pm
Linky thingy …

Gay Leprechaun Airlines. What more can I say.

Zatara
Zatara
October 28, 2021 5:43 pm

The weapon used by Baldwin was a Pietta .45 Long Colt single action revolver.

I had a great video on the operation of this weapon but when I went to link it just now it had vanished… just as the one regarding the pistol packing child ‘armorer’ did.

The left is working hard to shape this story and protect their scumbag.

Zipster
Zipster
October 28, 2021 5:44 pm

Due to Covid, Qantas has had to ditch the snack bar but is instead offering a new “movie service”.

shemales bukake

Slim Cognito
Slim Cognito
October 28, 2021 5:46 pm

Actually, Welcome to Country is one of the things you’ll hear our crew doing once we restart

I will never hear it as I will make sure I am never on one of their god forsaken planes. This and the fact that all of the pilots are vaxed. I’m not a fan of falling from the sky.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 28, 2021 5:46 pm

feelthebernsays:
October 28, 2021 at 5:27 pm
Maguire has a head like a buttercup squash.

Glad looking like Eeyore. Bumping uglies is just too much to contemplate.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 28, 2021 5:47 pm

“When he folded the party he took the name with him so that any chance of building on the work already done was taken away.

Kind of a dog act really”

I did not know that.
What an arse.

Arky
October 28, 2021 5:47 pm

Missus is starting to come around to the idea of fleeing Victoria.
Found a place in South Australia on Realestate.com.
Anyone know if South Australia is as bad as Vic right now?
If not I might just have to pack my barrels and look for a derelict S.A. bank.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 28, 2021 5:49 pm

After the past 18 months you can see why Peter Thiel is an advocate of a floating city in international waters.

Arky
October 28, 2021 5:50 pm

After the past 18 months you can see why Peter Thiel is an advocate of a floating city in international waters.

..
That was my idea. He stole it.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 28, 2021 5:53 pm

This Sharticle says so much about the greenie movement.
Just not the way they think it does.

What the world can learn from Rachel Carson as we fight for our planet
Kim Heacox
With her brave book Silent Spring, Carson changed the course of US environmental history. We would do well to study her example

Just the usual hagiography of St Carson..

Somehow they missed articles like these.
https://21sci-tech.com/articles/summ02/Carson.html

What it says is “Make incredibly alarmist claims, pollies will hitch tier wagon to your “crisis” and the media will lap it up and amplify it…

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 28, 2021 5:53 pm

JC, I can’t help myself now.
My zerohedging will be daily :).
Unless Bosi-ween actually happens 🙁

This is why I always take the contrary position on Doomsday predictions.
If it doesn’t happen, you can crow about it.
If it does happen, well, we are all dust and smoke.
That, and the fact that they are inevitably the work of lunatics.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 28, 2021 5:54 pm

Shes 51 years old now… where was the fetus going to come from?

It’s not unknown for a woman of fifty to naturally conceive a child.

I recall Hairy and I were discussing having another when I was going on for forty-seven to his thirty-seven. It was a realistic prospect still – I was still menstruating and ovulating. One’s body tends to remember. My last child was having his son, conceived the natural fun way, when I was forty-two after having produced his daughter, same technique, when I was forty. Still time for a contraceptive slip up, I said, and while we both liked the idea we decided five kids (including my first two) might be a too hard task. Sometimes we ponder that decision and think how nice a third child would have been for us. I loved being pregnant and had no troubles with pregnancy, and childbirth – no, I didn’t factor that in at all, you forget about childbirth in the enthusiasm for another child.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 28, 2021 5:54 pm

If you bought short dated, out of the money calls before all of Faulty’s doomsday predictions, you would have been richer than Elon.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 28, 2021 5:55 pm

Anyone know if South Australia is as bad as Vic right now?

Arky – it’s about to have an election (in March), so whatever it’s like now it’s going to get worse.

The root issue is that the Covid reign of terror has made a large proportion of voters nuttier than attack-hamsters, so any election is going to be a really scary proposition.

Razey
Razey
October 28, 2021 5:55 pm

Arkysays:
October 28, 2021 at 5:47 pm
Missus is starting to come around to the idea of fleeing Victoria.
Found a place in South Australia on Realestate.com.
Anyone know if South Australia is as bad as Vic right now?
If not I might just have to pack my barrels and look for a derelict S.A. bank.

You wont be getting in without the clot shot. NSW is likely to be the first to remove that requirement.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 28, 2021 5:58 pm

Found a place in South Australia on Realestate.com.

Some lovely houses comparatively cheap in South Australia, Arky.

Who needs Melbourne and the bat-eared Dicktator?

Arky
October 28, 2021 5:59 pm

You wont be getting in without the clot shot. NSW is likely to be the first to remove that requirement.

.
Can’t afford NSW.
..

the Covid reign of terror has made a large proportion of voters nuttier than attack-hamsters

..
Plus they play that idiotic Gayball there, same as Vic.
I liked Cultana though. I could see myself living in the desert.

Arky
October 28, 2021 6:00 pm

Some lovely houses comparatively cheap in South Australia, Arky.

..
I don’t need a lovely house, just a comfortable hovel.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 28, 2021 6:03 pm

Arky..

Keep away from Best Australia.
We have McClown just oozing in anticipation at releasing his full Fuhrerpriczip as soon as a little outbreak of the coof appears on his sacred soil.

Plus the beaches are terrible, hoop snakes everywhere and the dingoats running wild.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 28, 2021 6:03 pm

Can’t afford NSW.

How about western Tassie? Lots of houses cheap as chips.

Roger
Roger
October 28, 2021 6:04 pm

I don’t need a lovely house, just a comfortable hovel.

Chuckle.

Arky
October 28, 2021 6:06 pm

I have a great, great Grandfather buried somewhere in South Australia.

Roger
Roger
October 28, 2021 6:06 pm

How about western Tassie? Lots of houses cheap as chips.

I reckon Tasmania would be ideal for the seeker after a comfortable hovel.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 28, 2021 6:06 pm

Arkysays:

October 28, 2021 at 5:47 pm

Missus is starting to come around to the idea of fleeing Victoria.

Our gas combi heater blew a foofer valve today.
Talking to the plumber and he is thinking about pissing off (probably to NSW, maybe SA).
His wife is a nurse and is under the pump to get the shot. He can work without it but she can’t.
Aged 35 with a couple of kids.
The sort of people a small town can’t afford to lose.
Incidentally, I asked him why NSW or SA.
He reckons Qld and WA will eventually be as bad as Vic and, well, Tassie is Tassie.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
October 28, 2021 6:06 pm

How about western Tassie? Lots of houses

Ideallic, quiet, secluded….the perfect spot to finish off that diy meth lab.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 28, 2021 6:08 pm

a floating city in international waters.

There’s a cruise ship called The World which sells apartments as in a high rise building, and it travels constantly. Some people live in these apartments permanently, with all their own facilities, and utilise the cruise facilities too. Some let out their apartments. I’m not sure of its international status, but five years ago prices for apartments started at three million dollars. I wonder how they are doing now, post-Covid?

Carpe Jugulum
Carpe Jugulum
October 28, 2021 6:08 pm

Anyone know if South Australia is as bad as Vic right now?
If not I might just have to pack my barrels and look for a derelict S.A. bank.

If you don’t need a huge amount of space perhaps a cruising yacht or catamaran, you can buy them quite cheap in the USA.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 28, 2021 6:11 pm
Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 28, 2021 6:13 pm

I don’t need a lovely house, just a comfortable hovel.

You can have the house across the road from me Arky. Saw the guy this morning, we get on well, he’s an ex-Pom. He says the owner is about to sell up. I’d guess $450k. He and his lady also have new jobs further in town here in Ncl and are inclined to move closer. Got a pretty good shed for doing Model A stuff in too.

Zatara
Zatara
October 28, 2021 6:14 pm

There’s a cruise ship called The World

She is registered in the Bahamas and operated by a company headquartered in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

JC
JC
October 28, 2021 6:14 pm

I’m not sure of its international status, but five years ago prices for apartments started at three million dollars. I wonder how they are doing now, post-Covid?

The monthly maintenance vig must be very high because ships require a lot of maintenance. You can’t be stateless as it’s not allowed. You require a passport and the ability to avoid tax etc would be the same as exchanging your passport for one in low tax domicile.

Arky
October 28, 2021 6:14 pm

If you don’t need a huge amount of space perhaps a cruising yacht or catamaran,

..
I get seasick while it’s still tied up to the wharf.

calli
calli
October 28, 2021 6:16 pm

Yeah, Arky. Become a Novocastrian. Lots of comfortable hovels up here.

Plus nice beaches.

JC
JC
October 28, 2021 6:16 pm

There’s a cruise ship called The World

My God it’s a dreadful looking thing. I wonder what the daily death toll.

Carpe Jugulum
Carpe Jugulum
October 28, 2021 6:17 pm

I get seasick while it’s still tied up to the wharf.

ppppfffftt, softcock.

calli
calli
October 28, 2021 6:17 pm

I reckon The World has a biiiiig freezer section.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
October 28, 2021 6:17 pm

There’s a cruise ship called The World which sells apartments as in a high rise building, and it travels constantly. Some people live in these apartments permanently, with all their own facilities, and utilise the cruise facilities too.…

I saw a docco on this. They spent time with a chap who was 90+. He and his wife bought the cabin (apartment) 30 years ago. They cruise the seas. When they’re in a US port their family come to visit. The wife had passed away 5 years before. His best line was to him it was safer than living on land. Should he full ill a doctor was only 3mins away. Not sure how he would have got on over the past 2 years.

Roger
Roger
October 28, 2021 6:18 pm

Yeah, Arky. Become a Novocastrian. Lots of comfortable hovels up here.

Plus nice beaches.

This is what like-minded people need to do – buy up streets and suburbs and create enclaves.

JC
JC
October 28, 2021 6:18 pm

I reckon The World has a biiiiig freezer section.

Most supposedly have their morgues next to the food fridges. Why not , right?

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
October 28, 2021 6:21 pm

I reckon The World has a biiiiig freezer section.
Most supposedly have their morgues next to the food fridges. Why not , right?

Have you tried the buffet? Should be a good one tonight, a local lad.

Bruce in WA
October 28, 2021 6:22 pm

Zatara, here’s some footage of a guy firing the Pietta Long Colt S/A. It’s quite good if you can ignore the overblown Spaghetti Western music.

For those who don’t know, watch how when he “fans” the hammer at the beginning, he is holding the trigger all the way back, not squeezing it each time and releasing it between shots.

I rather suspect Baldwin did something similar, squeezing toot tightly on the trigger during the cross-draw, thumbing back the hammer, then releasing it at full cock, and … blam! (No, not “chik, chik boom!)

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 28, 2021 6:22 pm

Hairy had work in Hobart and Launceston for a few months so we rented a place right on the beach in upmarket Sandy Bay. It was cheap as chips compared to Sydney. We found Hobart to be a very low-key and interesting place to live as long as you could hop over to Melbourne for some shopping. My good friend from those days now tells me the place has become overcrowded and over-busy, but she’s rather old-school and old-money about such things. Basically, Tassie has increasingly become a retirement home for some very green public servants still living high on the defined-benefits retirement hog. Once out of town in Tassie you really are out of town. Deliverance territory.

Bruce in WA
October 28, 2021 6:25 pm

“toot” tightly? WTF.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 28, 2021 6:28 pm

Deliverance territory.

Unfair, Lizzie. The town I linked to on Domain was Rosebery, which used to have a very nice silver lead and zinc mine. So I’ve been 1 km under the town of Rosebery! It was a country town and the people had serious antibodies against green disease. Macquarie Harbour nearby is a big aquaculture site, which the Greens also hate.

I lived in Hobart a couple years, whereupon I discovered my personal problem is I’m someone who likes hot weather. In Tassie that’s never a possibility.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 28, 2021 6:31 pm

My God it’s a dreadful looking thing.

As we were heading out we saw it heading towards the famous Trollfjiorden in Norway, a very narrow channel into a smallish but extraordinary bay. It seemed unwieldy and I doubted if they would have made it in, probably would have had to use the tender boats.

O the days of ocean cruising. Laugh if you must but I miss them. Champagne times.
Carefree internationals just having fun on board, friendship and fashion and food.

Depends on the cruise line, of course.

Carpe Jugulum
Carpe Jugulum
October 28, 2021 6:31 pm

Most supposedly have their morgues next to the food fridges. Why not , right?

Unless specifically designed with one. In the event of a death, food goes out, body goes in.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 28, 2021 6:32 pm

General Custer was apparently seen on the Rust set, a few minutes before the shooting.

If true, very suspicious. Custer never fired his own firearms – he had a personal corporal who would do it for him. (Same fellow also visited the latrines for the Man.)

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 28, 2021 6:35 pm

Unfair, Lizzie.

I know. I’m just keeping the hordes out. There are parts of Tassie that I adore, and they are smaller places in the country, some on the west coast. Nevertheless, there’s still plenty of Hicksville around, and a few places where the locals are shifty and cooking up or worse.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 28, 2021 6:35 pm

I wonder if the ABC chap will apologise to de Kock for calling him a racist @sarc.

“For those who don’t know, I come from a mixed race family. My half-sisters are Coloured and my step mom is Black. For me, Black lives have mattered since I was born. Not just because there was an international movement.

The ABC know it all.
‘How racist do you have to be?’: ABC host slams star who won’t kneel
ABC presenter Tony Armstrong has questioned Quinton de Kock’s “confounding” call to withdraw from a match and avoid taking a knee.

Roger
Roger
October 28, 2021 6:36 pm

We found Hobart to be a very low-key and interesting place to live as long as you could hop over to Melbourne for some shopping.

Sonehow I don’t think Arky will miss the Melbourne shopping, Lizzie.

[smiley face]

Roger
Roger
October 28, 2021 6:41 pm

The ABC know it all.
‘How racist do you have to be?’: ABC host slams star who won’t kneel
ABC presenter Tony Armstrong has questioned Quinton de Kock’s “confounding” call to withdraw from a match and avoid taking a knee.

That uncomfortable feeling, Tony? That’s egg on face. Be thankful de Kock isn’t a litigious character.

John of Mel
John of Mel
October 28, 2021 6:41 pm

I reckon The World has a biiiiig freezer section.

No one can bit Pelosi’s ice-cream freezers.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 28, 2021 6:42 pm

I lived in Hobart a couple years, whereupon I discovered my personal problem is I’m someone who likes hot weather. In Tassie that’s never a possibility.

I am a Nordic type and revel in the cold. Hairy’s phenotype is part of the log-boat ride up from the Mediterranean coast, adventurers who populated south-western England and Ireland early on in humanity’s travels. He doesn’t do cold well at all. Hence he wouldn’t stay in Hobart any longer than he had too, in spite of blandishments for him to remain working there. I will never move to Brisbane to be near to our daughter, I say, because I can’t stand the humidity. Sydney seems to be the comfortable marital middle for us, so here we stay.

calli
calli
October 28, 2021 6:44 pm

Thing I like about here is the climate, the good mix of tradies and professionals with tradies in the ascendant. Unlike the south coast, fewer retired bureaucratic d*ckheads on defined benefits lording it over the hoi poloi.

Might have something to do with the remnant steel town, maybe not. Always hard to tell, being a new chum.

I reckon you could make a good living providing services to a cashed up retired cohort, lots of business already do.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 28, 2021 6:45 pm

Scotty isn’t signing up for Methane Reduction.
So it appears the agenda is destruction of the Beef Herd,. should Labor be elected.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 28, 2021 6:46 pm

Your lot were only saved by the gulf stream, I tell Hairy.

He did not handle the fenlands of Cambridge very well either, with the winds coming across from the European steppes. It was always cold, he remembers. Rowing on a bitter morning. The pits.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 28, 2021 6:47 pm

Custer never fired his own firearms – he had a personal corporal who would do it for him.

Also unfair TE! Custer was one of the better cavalry guys on the Union side. Not a patch on the Confederates of course, but he and Sheridan were pretty damned good.

Michigan Brigade wiki

JC
JC
October 28, 2021 6:49 pm

Is there a more woke CEO in the country. He’s an absolute piece shit.

Wiki:

Shayne Elliott (born 1963/64) is a New Zealand banker, and the chief executive officer (CEO) of ANZ Bank.[2]
Career

Prior to joining ANZ Bank, Shayne Elliott was a senior executive at EFG Hermes, and worked for Citi bank.[3][2] He joined ANZ Bank in June 2009 as the head of the bank’s institutional division.[3] In 2012, Elliott became CFO of ANZ.[4] In September 2015, it was announced that Elliott would be replacing Mike Smith as ANZ’s CEO starting January 1, 2016.[2]

As CEO of ANZ Elliott was praised for his ‘purpose’ driven leadership which has seen the bank support the LGBTI community and refugees in Australia.[5]
Personal life

Shayne Elliott is the son of a builder, and grew up in Te Atat? South, a suburb of Auckland.[1] He was educated at Waitakere College and the University of Auckland.[1]

Elliott is married to Najla, an Egyptian-born economist, who he met when he was running Citigroup’s Egypt business in Cairo.[6]

This canute could end wrecking the bank long term.

ANZ Bank has outlined a two-pronged long-term growth strategy to supply the vast financing needs of the clean energy transition and deliver financial services such as mortgages via mobile phones, after unveiling a 65 per cent rebound in full-year cash profit.

CEO Shayne Elliott said ANZ’s advantage in the battle to bank clean energy comes from being the most international – and the largest institutional – bank in Australia. Its history of lending to resource projects and linking with markets in Asia has created the skills and relationships to participate in this “global super cycle,” he said.

“It is just the beginning and opportunities include electrification of transport, commercialisation of hydrogen, and financing energy-efficient buildings,” Mr Elliott said, delivering full-year results days after the federal government committed to a target of net zero greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.

calli
calli
October 28, 2021 6:49 pm

No one, repeat, NO ONE, mention the Alamo.

calli
calli
October 28, 2021 6:50 pm

Whoops!

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 28, 2021 6:50 pm

Kicking off her speech with a Welcome to Country, Ms Tully said that would be a feature from all Qantas flights from Monday.

Qantas are introducing a special opt-out section in the bookings form – you can opt out and get 10c off your fare.

Actually I just made that up. The best opt out is noise-cancelling headphones. (I forgot what airline it was – an American one I think – where they told me to remove my headphones and listen to the pre-flight briefing.)

JC
JC
October 28, 2021 6:51 pm

Dot

Is there an uglier house of the website? There’s nothing worse than cashed up fuckheads with terrible taste.

JC
JC
October 28, 2021 6:53 pm

And he’s a bald fuck too. The most horrible CEO in the country.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 28, 2021 6:54 pm

Scotty isn’t signing up for Methane Reduction.

He shouldn’t be signing us up for any of it.

Coal is now Kryptonite for Superscotty. I hope it kills him. Politically, that is.

Roger
Roger
October 28, 2021 6:55 pm

No one, repeat, NO ONE, mention the Alamo.

Custer at the Alamo:

The definitive historical study.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 28, 2021 6:56 pm

Lizzie – Compromise is a fine thing. So is Vaucluse! I lived a half a year in Bondi Junction once, it was a nice place.

On the other hand you could pick up absolute waterfront mansion on the shore of Lake Mac and have an idyllic place to live. The treadly ride I did this afternoon was around the shore of the lake and it was magnificent.

rickw
rickw
October 28, 2021 6:59 pm

Carpe,

Could I get you to post a Mikuni carbie injector nozzle from Japan to the USA?

They won’t ship overseas as far as I can tell?

https://www.monotaro.com/g/02729487/

calli
calli
October 28, 2021 6:59 pm

Lol! You are a bad man Roger. 😀

In other news, Scotty is toast. He’s lost The Beloved, who has voted LNP since he first picked up a lead pencil to mark his ballot in one of those ancient wooden polling booths, set up by perspiring men in all weathers in the local community hall.

I won’t say what he called our revered PM tonight. This is a family blog.

Delta A
Delta A
October 28, 2021 7:01 pm

Anyone know if South Australia is as bad as Vic right now?

Arky, SA has few restrictions at the moment, but that could change, of course. Marshall’s inner dictator is dying to break out. Masks don’t have to be worn in schools anymore (my grandies never did, despite the rulings. Teachers were ‘Meh’.)

Land and housing definitely cheaper, but give Adelaide a miss. Great regional/country communities that make newcomers instantly welcome. And country school teachers have always been more student involved and supportive: their student’s dad could well be hubby’s employer.

Yorke and Eyre Peninsulas are nice, as are the Riverland and Barossa and Clare Valleys. Avoid the suburbs immediately north of Adelaide: many single, welfare families with public schools chokkas with learning and behaviour issues. (Having said that, Trinity College R to 12 at Gawler is one of the best schools I have been involved with.)

There are many lovely communities in the Adelaide Hills and the Fleurieu Peninsula, and in the South East, Naracoorte and Mount Gambier are close to the Vic border.

Interesting that in the little street where we’re building our multi-family home, two of the nine allotments are ex-Victorians.

1 11 12 13 14 15 18
  1. From the Oz: COST OF EXISTINGInflation pain since the shamdemic: biggest cost risesBread up 25 per cent, fuel up 38…

  2. Mother Lode April 25, 2024 7:45 pmI suppose one reason Labor want the clip removed from X is because they need…

3.5K
0
Would love your thoughts, please comment.x
()
x