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Children’s Games, Pieter Bruegel the Elder, 1560

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Dot
Dot
November 11, 2021 9:38 am

Just approve it (Novavax) already, lunkheads.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03025-0

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
November 11, 2021 9:43 am

Thinking seriously about getting the eyes lazed. Any Cats care to share their experience of this procedure?

tap, tap, tap …

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 11, 2021 9:45 am

From the Times. “Incapacitated through drink” joins “Tired and emotional – as a newt” as one of the great euphemisms for being ” as piZZed as…”

Dressing-down for MPs ‘who got drunk’ on flight to visit troops
new
Larisa Brown, Defence Editor
Wednesday November 10 2021, 9.00pm GMT, The Times

Three MPs have been accused by the defence secretary of “disrespecting” the armed forces by getting drunk on a flight to visit troops in Gibraltar.

Ben Wallace is writing to Labour and the SNP to express his “disappointment” about the behaviour of the MPs, who he said had “put military personnel in a difficult position”. A Labour MP, whom The Times is not naming, was said to have been “incapacitated through drink” to the point where she had to be helped from the airport in a wheelchair, according to a report circulated in the Ministry of Defence.

She was taken to her hotel and was unable to attend a “welcome event” put on for the MPs by the military. It is understood that she was returning to the UK today — two days early — after speaking to Labour whips.

The report said that the female MP was with two SNP MPs, David Linden and Drew Hendry, who were “difficult” with customs and testing staff at the airport on Tuesday night.

They were part of a group of 15 MPs visiting Gibraltar for a three-day trip over Armistice Day with the all-party parliamentary group for the armed forces.

James Gray, a Tory MP and chairman of the parliamentary group, said: “These three, as I understand it, were in a BA lounge in Heathrow and made full use of the facilities.” He said that by the time they got to the airport they were “pretty well oiled”.

According to eyewitnesses, they continued to drink on the flight. Gray said that if they had been at an officers mess dinner, then he probably would have thrown them off the scheme but as they were not yet on the trip, and merely on their way, he would have words with them instead.

He said: “If they had been in an officer’s mess at a dinner and got completely drunk, then I have a responsibility for that and I would throw them off the scheme as it were, probably. But because they were simply civilians on the way to a visit, what they do in their own time in the BA lounge is a matter for them.”

A retired lieutenant colonel and a serving major were said to be on the flight as “minders” and had witnessed the three MPs drinking.

Wallace said: “This type of behaviour shows a lack of respect for the enduring work of our armed forces. The armed forces scheme is an opportunity for both parliamentarians and the military to understand each other. This behaviour puts military personnel in a difficult position and risks undermining respect for parliament.”

There were also unconfirmed reports that two Tory MPs had been out drinking until 2am.

Defence sources said that the Labour MP was “already visibly pretty drunk getting on the plane”, adding: “She drank throughout the journey. She was kind of helped off the aircraft but made it through . . . to the baggage area. In order to avoid a scene she was popped on a wheelchair from the baggage area to the transport that was laid on. She was then put in the hotel straight away, and given a drink watch through the night.”

They sources said that the two SNP MPs were also “drunk”. It is understood that the two SNP MPs attended the welcome event at about 6.30pm on landing. They also attended every event since, including a visit at 8am today.

jupes
jupes
November 11, 2021 9:53 am

Bee stings hard.

Ha ha ha. I really did laugh out loud at that. Comedy Gold.

MatrixTransform
November 11, 2021 9:55 am

The 3rd World is now the Climate Vulnerable World

Thermal Inequality is a thing now

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 11, 2021 9:56 am

Bee stings hard.
USNS Harvey Milk

I seem to remember that there was a ‘case’ where a young gay man was taken out to a farm or some such place, brutally assaulted and eventually killed. His name may have been Shepard or something.

Anyway his name became the rallying cry for and indeed the eponym for legislation that was supposed to fight the sort of homophobia he had been killed by.

Came out afterwards that at least one of the attackers was an out and proud gay (and the other could not really have been homophobic for attacking a gay man to help a gay man) and the whole thing began from some stupid trifle that had nothing to do with sexual orientation.

The legislation is still there, though.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 11, 2021 10:02 am

This really is the last straw. Fake Media! Faaaaaaaake! (the Hun):

Lines of white powder on a mirror and open cans of ­alcohol have been filmed left openly in an office used by the militant construction union CFMEU on the state’s flagship Metro ­Tunnel project.

The bombshell footage, ­believed to have been taken in early September and obtained by the Herald Sun, has been ­referred to Victoria Police amid concerns about safety on the $13.7bn rail link.

The images were filmed at the new CBD North station. The footage was taken through a window from outside the locked office, which is used by CFMEU workplace delegates and health and safety representatives.

The CFMEU? They would never. Has to be a stitch up of some sort.

Gab
Gab
November 11, 2021 10:04 am

Lines of white powder on a mirror and open cans of ­alcohol have been filmed left openly in an office used by the militant construction union CFMEU on the state’s flagship Metro ­Tunnel project.

Nah, nothing will happen. There were no cigarette stubs.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 11, 2021 10:09 am

Don’t do it Custard it may come as shock to find a face for radio looking back. In all seriousness do it. My stupid chradonnay socialist mother went nearly blind because she wouldn’t pay for surgury before it was too late. Waited for the public to pick up the tab even though she was rolling in it.

John Brumble
John Brumble
November 11, 2021 10:12 am

I think that the odds of getting all six are a bit smaller than 1 in 1600.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
November 11, 2021 10:13 am

Thermal Inequality is a thing now

Enthalpy, enthalpy, enthalpy, enthalpy!

Free Enthalpy! Now!

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 11, 2021 10:14 am

We know its fake media about the CMFEU because the lines of white powder would have been used, the cans finished anthrown on the floor and theplace unlocked because they couldn’t give a stuff.

jupes
jupes
November 11, 2021 10:17 am

Another great column by Steyn. Some highlights:

John Aubrey’s Brief Lives, published in 1696. It was in reference, aside from anything else, to why one should always bow from the neck to the sovereign, instead of from the waist, which is far more perilous, as the seventeenth Lord Oxford could tell you:

This Earle of Oxford, making of his low obeisance to Queen Elizabeth, happened to let a Fart, at which he was so abashed and ashamed that he went to Travell, 7 yeares. On his returne the Queen welcomed him home, and sayd, My Lord, I had forgott the Fart.

Patrick Sullivan, a Mark Steyn Club member from Seattle, thought this story somewhat apocryphal. Still, I do hope that when the Duchess next sees Joe she greets him with “Mister President, I had forgott the Fart”.

We are almost certainly pumping the juice into groups who should not be getting it, and, as with Thalidomide, we shall not know the full picture on that for a while. But it is likewise certain that the numbers afflicted will be far higher than Thalidomide.

Just when Chairman Xi thinks the flailing hyperpower can’t get any more ridiculous, the Government of the United States steps up to provide him with his daily laugh. America accounts for forty per cent of planetary military spending and can’t win a war, and has just lost one in particularly ludicrous circumstances, including turning a bunch of goatherds with fertilizer into one of the Top Ten most lavishly equipped armies on the planet, and using its crackerjack intelligence agencies to off a bunch of photogenic moppets on the way out the door.

RTWT

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
November 11, 2021 10:19 am

Allow one unvaxxed at a funeral and the limit of people suddenly becomes 30.
Or do I misread this evil rule?

twostix
twostix
November 11, 2021 10:22 am

Lines of white powder on a mirror and open cans of ­alcohol have been filmed left openly in an office used by the militant construction union CFMEU on the state’s flagship Metro ­Tunnel project.

The bombshell footage, ­believed to have been taken in early September and obtained by the Herald Sun, has been ­referred to Victoria Police amid concerns about safety on the $13.7bn rail link.

The images were filmed at the new CBD North station. The footage was taken through a window from outside the locked office, which is used by CFMEU workplace delegates and health and safety representatives.

Let me guess, the people at that site were involved in the protests.

Next up: photos of certain CFMEU leaders caught in bed with prostitutes will be ‘obtained’.

jupes
jupes
November 11, 2021 10:22 am

Or do I misread this evil rule?

Depends what day it is and which race / religion you are.

Zipster
Zipster
November 11, 2021 10:25 am

Thinking seriously about getting the eyes lazed. Any Cats care to share their experience of this procedure?

works. best thing ever. just do it

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
November 11, 2021 10:30 am

Let me guess, the people at that site were involved in the protests.

Next up: photos of certain CFMEU leaders caught in bed with prostitutes will be ‘obtained’.

No.
The protesters were almost certainly all rank and file.
This was in the union delegates shed (barn).

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 11, 2021 10:36 am

Labor was started as the party of the rural and urban working class. It is now the party of the inner urban dwelling, tertiary qualified (but not educated), taxpayer salaried upper middle class.

Why does Kim Beazley (Snr) ‘s comment about “the dregs of the middle class, who persist in using the Party as an intellectual spittoon” spring to mind?

Zipster
Zipster
November 11, 2021 10:38 am

I made the mistake of turning on the TV this morning.

phrasing

EvilElvis
EvilElvis
November 11, 2021 10:39 am

On 24/8 I jagged 6 numbers and a bonus to win division 2.

I’d seriously consider blowing some on a big day golf sponsorship at your old club, custard.
Maybe a nice par 3 emblazoned with “Custards Unvaxxed Hole”, then you can wind the old boys up constantly with whatever putting their balls in said hole implies. 😉

Alternatively, get one eye done and buy a boat, the weather’s coming good!

Winston Smith
November 11, 2021 10:39 am

Bruce O’Newk:

I think Putin’s gas play is starting to force a bit of reality into the minds of some pollies.

On the other hand, Bruce, only a week of no power will focus the Inner City Greens on reality.

EvilElvis
EvilElvis
November 11, 2021 10:40 am

Any financial advice given in the above post is general in nature, you should always consult…

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 11, 2021 10:41 am

Never been a big fan of Keating. He and Hawke benefitted from the Campbell report in the early years (although it would have taken courage from Hawke to get Labor interests to go along), but he planted some real stinkers. Compulsory super has turned out to be a gigantic hoard room for unions and his Redfern Speech has left an indelible skidmark on the nation and how it sees itself.

And I don’t think I have ever heard or seen him enjoy himself without an air of malice. His witticisms seem to be pointed denigrations. Funny at some times but they lose their humour when it is all you hear from someone.

I don’t think he was ever a socialist or any such ideology, just a spiv who was in it for himself. His conspicuous drawing of attention to his Zegna suits and Mahler were kind of obvious signallings that he was classy now.

Then it ended.

To the modern Labor party (and indeed world) he is an anachronism. A relic, greyed with decadal dust, draped in a smell of mould and damp, in a poorly lit case in a forgotten wing of a tired museum. Kicking Australia and siding with those chastising us (as he did with Papa Suharto) is all he has.

I actually enjoy the idea of him sitting in his room with his clocks as they and he tick time away. He can get up and re-wind the clocks, giving them their time again and again, but there is no re-winding his clock as it counts down to his dissolution.

I don’t really think he will be missed.

Winston Smith
November 11, 2021 10:43 am

GreyRanga:

The only thing you missed Knuckles with Keating is, he should be made to watch his clock collection getting smashed.

THIS is why I come to the Cat.
That extra serve of originality and sheer viciousness.
Well done!

Roger
Roger
November 11, 2021 10:47 am

Stan Grant at the ABC calling Keating a “big thinker”.

Naturally he agrees with everything Keaying says re China.

I guess that puts Stan into the “big thinker” league too.

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 11, 2021 10:47 am

I actually enjoy the idea of him sitting in his room with his clocks as they and he tick time away.

Keating is a very bitter bloke. Like Rudd he cannot get away from the idea that he was once No 1 in the land, and now he is as nothing. Of course some of the sycophantic media give him press coverage, but as he has no effect on policy and power it’s just lip-service.

I forget the name of the journalist, but it was in the now defunct Bulletin magazine, where the article on him post-his PM years ended with words along the lines of “And every day, he wakes up, and realises, John Howard is still Prime Minister.”

Cassie of Sydney
November 11, 2021 10:48 am

But….but….but…..Tony Abbott is the misogynist who hates and threatens women…..

“AVO taken out against Craig Thomson for wife Zoe Arnold

Police have taken out an AVO against ex-federal MP and union boss Craig Thomson to protect his journalist wife, a court heard.

Police have successfully applied for an AVO against disgraced former federal MP Craig Thomson to protect his wife Zoe Arnold, a court heard.

The two-year apprehended violence order was issued in Gosford Local Court on Monday and it is understood it was not contested by the former national secretary of the Health Services Union who was not present in court. No charges have been laid.

Journalist Ms Arnold is the third wife of Thomson, 57. They married in January 2011 while he was the Labor member for the seat of Dobell on the Central Coast and have two children.

“An Apprehended Domestic Violence Order was made for the protection of Zoe Thomson prohibiting or restricting the behaviour of the defendant Craig Robert Thomson,” the court record states.

Under the order, Thomson is banned from assaulting of threatening her or anyone she has a “domestic relationship with, cannot stalk or intimidate them or intentionally or recklessly destroy or damage any property or harm an animal that belongs to her or is in her possession.

He is not allowed to go into anywhere she lives, works or other places listed in the order.”

Julia Gillard is unavailable for comment.

Cassie of Sydney
November 11, 2021 10:49 am

“Mother Lodesays:
November 11, 2021 at 10:41 am”

Superb comment.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 11, 2021 10:53 am

From Ms Arnold’s statement:

‘I was chastising him about rub and tugs, and he looked at his watch.’

Guilty guilty guilty!

Roger
Roger
November 11, 2021 10:53 am

More cutting edge analysis from the ABC:

‘As backyards get smaller and trees are removed, urban heat islands could be making suburbs hotter’

You think?

They even find an academic who says the problem is leading to premature deaths.

Yet they never ask the question: What’s driving the eveer more dense redevelopment of suburbs?

Zipster
Zipster
November 11, 2021 10:54 am

On the other hand, Bruce, only a week of no power will focus the Inner City Greens on reality.

only blocking access to their smashed avo and prosciutto panini and soy latte with almond milk will do that.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 11, 2021 10:55 am

Winston Smithsays:
November 11, 2021 at 10:43 am
GreyRanga:

The only thing you missed Knuckles with Keating is, he should be made to watch his clock collection getting smashed.

THIS is why I come to the Cat.
That extra serve of originality and sheer viciousness.
Well done!

Thanks Winston, I prefer cash, but if accolades are all I get at least it more than Keating deserves. An uptick or uplick is still appreciated.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
November 11, 2021 10:55 am

Thumb up Roger.

Winston Smith
November 11, 2021 10:56 am

Custard:

Thinking seriously about getting the eyes lazed. Any Cats care to share their experience of this procedure?

I had mine done about twenty years ago. Best money I’ve ever spent.
Do it – there may be a couple of days of a slight haze, especially at night, but gone in four days time.
Mine was through Lasik – a lovely old Jewish bloke and we spent more time discussing his religion than anything else. (He was wearing one of those skull cap thingies which caught my attention.)
🙂

Zipster
Zipster
November 11, 2021 10:56 am

An uptick or uplick is still appreciated.

dickful upskirters

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 11, 2021 10:57 am

Thumb up Roger.

Seems rather more intimate than is usual for a blog.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 11, 2021 11:00 am

Seems rather more intimate than is usual for a blog.

Still streets ahead of the cunning linky descriptions people were subjected to a year ago.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 11, 2021 11:01 am

I forget the name of the journalist, but it was in the now defunct Bulletin magazine,

From memory, that was the same article that cited Keating as scuttling from the House, without even the courtesy of resigning to the Governor General?

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 11, 2021 11:02 am

I was in the House at the moment Ironbar Wilson Tuckey spread Keating across the floor with his Christine comment. One of the finest moments in political history I witnessed. Many others surpass that magical moment, but sadly missed.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
November 11, 2021 11:03 am

My thumb up is explicit.
None of this behind door link clicking for me.

Roger
Roger
November 11, 2021 11:06 am

Yet they never ask the question: What’s driving the eveer more dense redevelopment of suburbs?

Despite, I might add, every housholder interviewed looking like a fairly recent immigrant from the sub-continent. Not that they’re to blame; blame sits squarely on the heads of our political leaders who for decades have pandered to their developer & big business maaaates.

jupes
jupes
November 11, 2021 11:06 am

‘As backyards get smaller and trees are removed, urban heat islands could be making suburbs hotter’

Okay ABC flunky, let’s follow this idea to its logical conclusion. So if urban heat islands make suburbs hotter, they also are making cities hotter. Which means that daily temperatures will be hotter.

Hmmm

Pogria
Pogria
November 11, 2021 11:08 am

Custard,

if you go with the laser, don’t skimp on the after care!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 11, 2021 11:13 am

I was in the House at the moment Ironbar Wilson Tuckey spread Keating across the floor with his Christine comment

The year after Keating admitted that he hadn’t lodged his income tax return for the past financial year, Wilson Tuckey took out a full page advertisement in the West Australian, reminding him to lodge a return this year…

Roger
Roger
November 11, 2021 11:14 am

Okay ABC flunky, let’s follow this idea to its logical conclusion. So if urban heat islands make suburbs hotter, they also are making cities hotter. Which means that daily temperatures will be hotter.

Above the pay grade of the two junior reporterettes who did the story, I should think.

Even if they did go there, it would have been edited out and they would have received a lecture from the political commissar.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 11, 2021 11:17 am

jupes

Okay ABC flunky, let’s follow this idea to its logical conclusion. So if urban heat islands make suburbs hotter, they also are making cities hotter. Which means that daily temperatures will be hotter.

Comments like that will cause painful cognitive dissonance at Their ABC.

Lets have more of them.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 11, 2021 11:19 am

Roger – the main problem at the ALPBC is the 20 year + Marxist producers. The power behind the Throne.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
November 11, 2021 11:20 am

Death by cognac dissidents.

who said that?

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 11, 2021 11:22 am

Roger – your spray gets a mention in Fred Pawle’s Bill Leak biography. Well done.

areff
areff
November 11, 2021 11:23 am

I see Morrison is in Victoria “to shore up support”.

Would be nice if he had something to say about Daniels’ bill to have himself declared Czar of All the Victorians.

Wonder if he has ever heard that line about ‘silence gives consent’.

Roger
Roger
November 11, 2021 11:26 am

Roger – the main problem at the ALPBC is the 20 year + Marxist producers. The power behind the Throne.

And this story was carefully ‘curated’ so as not to draw their ire.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
November 11, 2021 11:28 am

‘silence gives consent’

‘The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.’

Roger
Roger
November 11, 2021 11:28 am

Roger – your spray gets a mention in Fred Pawle’s Bill Leak biography. Well done.

Qué?

And here’s me using a pseudonym.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 11, 2021 11:30 am

Roger Franklin’s then.

Vicki
November 11, 2021 11:31 am

Re the raid on the Victorian doctor’s surgery by police & the demand for patient records.

The doctor was Dr. Mark Hobart, one of only 2 doctors in Oz (that I know of) who had the integrity to prescribe Ivermectin to patients.

I have only just had news of this – there is a long broadcast on Rumble regarding the whole incident. I believe it was picked up by Channel 7 last night, but I didn’t see it. Craig kelly also has quite a lot to say about it.

Forgive me if I can’t give you any more details. My 19 year old grandson was king hit last night & is currently undergoing surgery for a jaw broken in 2 places. Don’t know yet all the details, but he apparently went to the defence of another boy – black – who was picked on in a McDonalds by 2 Scottish backpackers. He is an outstanding kid, and a fine rugby player. It was his birthday & he had had a few schooners, no doubt, & didn’t see the big one coming.

Not a lot of justice in our world, at the moment.

Dot – hold on a bit longer – Novavax is coming soon!!!

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
November 11, 2021 11:31 am

ScoMo:
“I believe in candoo capitalism”.
Also ScoMo:
“Here’s a billion of taxpayers hardearned Mr Candoo”

Roger
Roger
November 11, 2021 11:32 am

Roger Franklin’s then.

Ah yes, more likely.

15 minutes of fame dashed just like that. Such is life.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 11, 2021 11:35 am

15 minutes of fame dashed just like that. Such is life.

Yep. Gone and forgotten. Welcome to the club. Have you met Aggro?

Razey
Razey
November 11, 2021 11:37 am

John Brumblesays:
November 11, 2021 at 10:12 am
I think that the odds of getting all six are a bit smaller than 1 in 1600.

45 nCR 6 = 8,145,060 combinations (for Sat lotto 45 number, 6 to win)

To get the odds down to 1 in 1600, you’d need to buy 5,090 tickets.

I usually by 50 tickets, so my odds of winning are 1 : 162,901.

Similar to the odds of people of my age group of dying from covid 😉

Roger
Roger
November 11, 2021 11:37 am

Yep. Gone and forgotten. Welcome to the club. Have you met Aggro?

Who?

Zipster
Zipster
November 11, 2021 11:39 am

Comments like that will cause painful cognitive dissonance at Their ABC.

they just rattle around hollow skulls

lotocoti
lotocoti
November 11, 2021 11:40 am

Enthalpy, enthalpy, enthalpy, enthalpy!

Having had a sub-continental gentleman as a science instructor back in the day,
this caused some minor bladder leakage.
Such was his accent, enthalpy and entropy sounded the same,
causing much hilarity, albeit perilous, discipline-wise.
He was a Lieutenant Commander.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 11, 2021 11:41 am

I put this comment on the vax thread, but I think it needs repeating..

I thought my ability to be gobsmacked by the evil/stupidity of this had been reached.

but a new plateau awaits.

The chap on site that had the ridgy didge full on life threatening reaction to the pfizer vaccine has had his exemption request knocked back.

Instead he has been informed he must take one of the other 2 varieties of vaccine in a “controlled environment” (hospital or similar).

I just cant grasp that medical professionals are willing to induce anaphylaxis for the sake of vaccinating someone.
Deliberately.

Winston Smith
November 11, 2021 11:43 am

Rutgers Faculty Groups Stand In ‘Unequivocal Solidarity’ With Professor Who Wants White ‘Motherf**kers’ To Be ‘Taken Out’

While a white professor would be immediately fired and denounced for uttering similar remarks about non-white people, Cooper’s racist paradigm is resoundingly shared and heralded by her colleagues.

Delta A
Delta A
November 11, 2021 11:43 am

Vicki, that’s terrible news about your son. I hope he recovers fully very soon.

Razey
Razey
November 11, 2021 11:43 am

thefrollickingmolesays:
November 11, 2021 at 11:41 am
I put this comment on the vax thread, but I think it needs repeating..

I thought my ability to be gobsmacked by the evil/stupidity of this had been reached.

but a new plateau awaits.

The chap on site that had the ridgy didge full on life threatening reaction to the pfizer vaccine has had his exemption request knocked back.

Instead he has been informed he must take one of the other 2 varieties of vaccine in a “controlled environment” (hospital or similar).

If that doesn’t convince everyone that its not about health, then nothing will.

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
November 11, 2021 11:43 am

For the goldbugs here.

Spot price of gold just went up 2% ($50 per ounce) overnight after about three months around A$2400.

Dunno why.

calli
calli
November 11, 2021 11:44 am

Vicki, please keep us posted on your grandson. You never think it could happen to one of your own but it does.

Razey
Razey
November 11, 2021 11:45 am

Pedro the Loafersays:
November 11, 2021 at 11:43 am
For the goldbugs here.

Spot price of gold just went up 2% ($50 per ounce) overnight after about three months around A$2400.

Dunno why.

The average price of my physical bullion stash is $950/oz.

Happy days.

Delta A
Delta A
November 11, 2021 11:47 am

Apologies, Vicki. I meant your grandson.

He sounds like a fine young man.

John of Mel
John of Mel
November 11, 2021 11:48 am

Not that they’re to blame; blame sits squarely on the heads of our political leaders who for decades have pandered to their developer & big business maaaates.

Don’t forget that Agenda 21 and Agenda 2030 are pushed through the local governments. Minimising livable space for individual families is part of it.

custard
custard
November 11, 2021 11:50 am

Laser it is then. Love the golf hole sponsorship advice Elvis LOL.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 11, 2021 11:50 am

incoherent ramblersays:
November 11, 2021 at 11:28 am
‘silence gives consent’

‘The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.’

Morrison has proven himself to be not a “good man”.

Roger
Roger
November 11, 2021 11:51 am

One of the many benefits of being a superannuated has been rural recluse is the ease with which unwanted associates from one’s former life can be kept at arm’s distance. Nobody from that world wants to cross the Great Divide (actual and metaphorical), let me tell you. As for the media, reporters are, in my experience, idiots (no offence, Roger & Tom) who, being equipped with an Arts degree, have no idea how much they don’t know and they are not intreested in knowing, of which ignorance one can find ample confirming evidence by reading their work. The worst by far – at least in my time -work for the ABC capital city offices and drip with condescension for anyone not of the prog Left. The smartest cookie I dealt with was actually a producer for A Current Affair, but she was clearly a normie. I hope she’s done well but kept her integrity in the years since.

calli
calli
November 11, 2021 11:52 am

Eleven a.m. has been and gone here in the east, but it will come by Cats further afield soon.

Don’t forget to remember them.

As the stars shall be bright when we are dust,
Moving in marches upon the heavenly plain,
As the stars that are starry in the time of our darkness,
To the end, to the end, they remain.

John of Mel
John of Mel
November 11, 2021 11:52 am

I see Morrison is in Victoria “to shore up support”.

Looking forward to hearing from him on the steps of Vic parliament on Saturday.

Roger
Roger
November 11, 2021 11:54 am

Don’t forget that Agenda 21 and Agenda 2030 are pushed through the local governments. Minimising livable space for individual families is part of it.

Yes, them too; they’re all in on the game. Note how Monash City Council is driving the redevelopment agenda on the ground as mentioned in the story. They can’t wait until Morrison opens the immigration floodgates again.

Nobody does official corruption the way Australia does, maaaate.

Winston Smith
November 11, 2021 11:56 am

Last week, John Durham’s grand jury issued its third criminal indictment in the Trump-Russia collusion hoax. The person who was arrested may be obscure; the news may have been buried after Virginia’s bombshell election results; but Durham’s move is a big deal. It shows that the special counsel’s probe is methodically unraveling a huge conspiracy, seemingly engineered by Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign and implicating James Comey’s FBI, either as a willing participant or as utterly incompetent boobs.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 11, 2021 11:56 am

Vicki

Sorry to hear about your grandson. The incident was probably a by product of the media obsession with race.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure

Sorry to hear about your grandson. The incident was probably a by product of the media obsession with race.

Product of backpackers, by the sound of it.
Despite the carefree cutie image promoted by reporterettes, there’s some very nasty types among the backpacker cohort.
Particularly the UK cohort.

calli
calli
November 11, 2021 11:59 am

Something to mark the day, Dover?

Razey
Razey
November 11, 2021 12:02 pm

Rogersays:
November 11, 2021 at 11:54 am
Don’t forget that Agenda 21 and Agenda 2030 are pushed through the local governments. Minimising livable space for individual families is part of it.

Yes, them too; they’re all in on the game. Note how Monash City Council is driving the redevelopment agenda on the ground as mentioned in the story. They can’t wait until Morrison opens the immigration floodgates again.

Australia now has a terrible image overseas. I’d wager not many would be willing to risk it being caught here with a horrible Fascist so called ‘government’.

John of Mel
John of Mel
November 11, 2021 12:05 pm

Australia now has a terrible image overseas. I’d wager not many would be willing to risk it being caught here with a horrible Fascist so called ‘government’.

I know one Christian Indian family who are moving back to India, because they can’t stand what’s happening here.

Muddy
Muddy
November 11, 2021 12:06 pm

Will Scott, A.F.A., killed Belgium. Allen Grant, 24th Bn., killed Belgium (last battle of the war). You have not been forgotten.

jupes
jupes
November 11, 2021 12:07 pm

but Durham’s move is a big deal. It shows that the special counsel’s probe is methodically unraveling a huge conspiracy, seemingly engineered by Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign and implicating James Comey’s FBI, either as a willing participant or as utterly incompetent boobs.

Oh they were willing participants alright. Clinton payed for the dossier.

As for Durham’s enquiry. At the rate he is going, he will get to Clinton and Comey by the turn of the century.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
November 11, 2021 12:08 pm

thefrollickingmole says:
November 11, 2021 at 11:41 am

wot mole said.

+1

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 11, 2021 12:11 pm

On a note of “saving Gaia”, my frustration with petty gesture politics grows. A few weeks ago, the plastic clips on bread bags were replaced with cardboard clips. The cardboard versions have much in common with udders on a bull.

Razey
Razey
November 11, 2021 12:11 pm

John of Melsays:
November 11, 2021 at 12:05 pm
Australia now has a terrible image overseas. I’d wager not many would be willing to risk it being caught here with a horrible Fascist so called ‘government’.

I know one Christian Indian family who are moving back to India, because they can’t stand what’s happening here.

They wont be the last. The Fascist ‘gov’ has fucked up, big time.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 11, 2021 12:12 pm

bespokesays:
November 10, 2021 at 1:23 pm
Johanna sees though the shell game you’ve been playing and thank for not including me in that grotesque competitive sport you claim as empathy. Save it for the gullible.

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I have discussed with my husband my feelings about what is going on at this site, about the pile-ons that are induced by a woman with a fixation, which obviously then provide a basis for others to share it. It has been something I have endured on the old Cat, with some pushback by friends on site, and clearly it is never going to end, regardless of Johanna’s input or not. I am a normal elderly woman and cannot be subjected to this any more. That is my husband’s view, and mine too. To some I am ‘irritating’ in what I say; if so, I apologise, but I don’t think my name is Betty nor do I deserve Pogria’s disapprobating link. I am sorry if I mistook his Snap as applying to me during the middle of the recent acrimonious attack from IC and others, but he has certainly enjoined the nastiness anyway. No-one who knows me has suggested I am a particularly irritating person although my writing this will be irritation enough for some. I do have opinions and the capacity to state them; but that is not a Federal offence.

Sadly, after eleven years, I am withdrawing from Catallaxy. This is permanent, in a solemn agreement with my husband, who does not wish me to be on a site where I am called ‘a flash rat with a gold tooth’ and then the above ‘shell game’ comment, with great applause for all of that, given all the other attacks now under the bridge. He has been pushed too far by this in his concern for me and I think he is right. I thank those who have been my friends here. I will miss you. Hairy and I have agreed that this is not the blog for me. Perhaps it never really was, but I have shared good times here. Sinestra delendra est. Good luck with it all, Dover, and thank you. I wasn’t going to say anything, but felt I owed it to myself and some others to say this much. Perhaps too people will be kinder to each other so that others are not driven away, although some I know will just see any comment I make as part of some ‘shell’. I have spoken with Arky via email (he emailed me). He is a good bloke who deserves affection here, I told him I didn’t mean to be ‘picky’ re his thread, which I certainly was, and I wish him well.

It may be time for me to revisit King Arthur. 🙂

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 11, 2021 12:13 pm

I was in the House at the moment Ironbar Wilson Tuckey spread Keating across the floor with his Christine comment

Something about “breach of promise” from memory?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 11, 2021 12:14 pm

Sadly, after eleven years, I am withdrawing from Catallaxy.

I will be sorry to see you go, LizzieB. I have enjoyed your contributions.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 11, 2021 12:16 pm

I know one Christian Indian family who are moving back to India, because they can’t stand what’s happening here.

At the time of the African non-gang non-problem one mother said she was sending her children back to Africa because of the problems of raising them in Australia. Maybe you have to watch the TIts and Nazi channel to find out how it ends.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 11, 2021 12:17 pm

Muddysays:
November 11, 2021 at 12:06 pm
Will Scott, A.F.A., killed Belgium. Allen Grant, 24th Bn., killed Belgium (last battle of the war). You have not been forgotten.

Montbrehain, 5 October 1918? Last Australian battle of the war, which continued for more than another month?

Razey
Razey
November 11, 2021 12:21 pm

Victoria, highest unemployment rate in the country.

Congratulation’s you piece of shit hunchback bat eared mong.

https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/labour/employment-and-unemployment/labour-force-australia/latest-release

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 11, 2021 12:21 pm

I’ve been having a few exchanges with Paxton over at CL’s blog.

Is he as stupid as he seems to be, or just a low quality Hammy troll?

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
November 11, 2021 12:22 pm

Rex.
Those Christmas toy train sets.
You do know they will be delivered by trucks, right?

Not if they come into Perth from Big W they don’t.

All their kit comes via a daily 1.8km long express freight train, known as ‘The Great White Shark,’ courtesy of our friends SCT Logistics… 😉

Diogenes
Diogenes
November 11, 2021 12:23 pm

Eleven a.m. has been and gone here

Ditto,I have managed to get a week’s work in a school. Could have heard a pin drop on parade

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure

Sadly, after eleven years, I am withdrawing from Catallaxy.

Sorry to see you go Lizzie.

Muddy
Muddy
November 11, 2021 12:27 pm

Yes, Boambee John, Mont Brehain. I know the details such as the date of his death, but my grey matter has been under functioning recently. Uncle Will Scott was a subaltern in the field arty & was killed at Third Ypres the year before. Buried at Dickebusch.

Dot
Dot
November 11, 2021 12:29 pm

Possibly epic

https://www.investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=193&mn=148523&pt=msg&mid=22560364

Explains the Politico smear of Novavax.

Dot
Dot
November 11, 2021 12:29 pm

I’ve been having a few exchanges with Paxton over at CL’s blog.

Is he as stupid as he seems to be, or just a low quality Hammy troll?

He’s that dumb.

No joke.

Dot
Dot
November 11, 2021 12:32 pm

Last week, John Durham’s grand jury issued its third criminal indictment in the Trump-Russia collusion hoax. The person who was arrested may be obscure; the news may have been buried after Virginia’s bombshell election results; but Durham’s move is a big deal. It shows that the special counsel’s probe is methodically unraveling a huge conspiracy, seemingly engineered by Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign and implicating James Comey’s FBI, either as a willing participant or as utterly incompetent boobs.

It’s really about Hillary giving patronage to the McCabe’s.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 11, 2021 12:34 pm

Thank you. No need for any other farewells, people. I know my friends here.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
November 11, 2021 12:35 pm

You poem for the day is beautiful, Calli. You always choose so well.

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
November 11, 2021 12:36 pm

Donning the suit and tie for the first time in a couple of years and heading down to the town’s war memorial for the 11.00am Remembrance Day service.

Australia lost the cream of its youth in two World Wars, and there is barely a city, town or village in this country that does not have a long list of names carved on a granite slab, the local lads who never came home.

Lest We Forget.

Delta A
Delta A
November 11, 2021 12:39 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
November 11, 2021 at 12:12 pm

It is your choice, of course, but I don’t think you should leave. You have posted many interesting and informative comments in the past. The site would be lacking if you left.

IMO, you need to toughen up, and I say that as someone who used to worry unduly about what people thought of me, but lately have developed a very thick skin which can not be penetrated by pixels on a blog. This came about the hard way: long, disgusted grimaces as strangers studied me from top to amputation stump, as though I were some gross exhibit in a carnival.

It really hurt and humiliated me and, even after toughening up, I’m still reluctant to leave the house because I know someone is going to stop and stare. But I’m getting tougher every day, and so should you.

So what if someone is mean on a blog site? It can only hurt if you let it.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 11, 2021 12:40 pm

Australia lost the cream of its youth in two World Wars, and there is barely a city, town or village in this country that does not have a long list of names carved on a granite slab, the local lads who never came home.

I’ve heard it argued that rural Australian never recovered from the First World War.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 11, 2021 12:42 pm

More madness from the UK…
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/nov/10/i-feel-really-let-down-unjabbed-care-home-staff-on-quitting-their-jobs

Katie Madden, who worked night shifts at Greenways for the last 18 months, came close to tears when she told the Guardian about leaving. She worked through a Covid outbreak at the home and was ill herself with the virus for weeks. She had planned to get the vaccine, but was anxious about it making her ill again. “The decision was taken out of my hands [when the law making it mandatory was introduced] … and I thought, ‘No, I’m not ready,’” she said.

She doesnt need a vaccine, shes had the virus and now has natural immunity…


Neil Russell, the chairman of PJ Care, which provides neurological care for adults, said he was losing 14 staff across three sites and potentially another dozen by 24 December unless they could persuade doctors they were medically exempt. Carers are allowed to self-certify a medical exemption until Christmas, but must leave after then if it is not confirmed.

Those leaving this week are going to new jobs including in the NHS and handling parcels at Amazon and John Lewis warehouses, he said.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
November 11, 2021 12:44 pm
jupes
jupes
November 11, 2021 12:45 pm

Sorry to see you go Lizzie. Hopefully catch up in Sydney some time.

Pogria
Pogria
November 11, 2021 12:49 pm

Sadly, after eleven years, I am withdrawing from Catallaxy.

Having only come back to commenting over the last few months, I would read every comment by every one who posted here to have a feel for the people, their thoughts and to make sure I did not dive into ongoing rivalries and bitchfests. Some I recognised which had been going for years, Bird, Groogs etc. I have never involved myself in them as they were not interesting to me, nor aimed at me.

Your writings Betty bored me along with a couple of others here, so I would skim past those comments because that is my right. When others would stoush with you, I would read, but not feel remotely inclined to comment. Because you believe everything here is about you, you jumped to a conclusion, and decided to make an example of a stranger. I was mildly amused but decided to have some fun. As the Judge would say in court, “you opened the door on that line of questioning, you can’t cry “objection!” when it doesn’t go your way.

I also don’t believe it is goodbye, more, see you later. You do have form in this regard.

I’ll take 3 hours in Betty Lotto.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure

Re the raid seizing patient files from Dr. Hobart’s surgery;

Is it fair dinkum that Craig Kelly’s medical records were stored there & among those seized?

Pogria
Pogria
November 11, 2021 12:52 pm

Damn! 22 minutes.

calli
calli
November 11, 2021 12:52 pm

That’s unfortunate. Lizzie was the first person on SincCat with a kind word to me.

I understand you doing what your husband wants you to do – I would do that too. Personally, I would not bow to rule-by-Smurf-thumb. But that’s just me and I haven’t had to deal with weeks and months of grinding illness.

Bon chance, Lizzie. You can always do a Dame Nellie when you’re up to scratch again.

calli
calli
November 11, 2021 12:53 pm

Dame Nellie

In fact, you should. That would be extra annoying to the grumblebums.

John of Mel
John of Mel
November 11, 2021 1:00 pm

Is it fair dinkum that Craig Kelly’s medical records were stored there & among those seized?

That’s what the man himself said.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 11, 2021 1:06 pm

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closuresays:
November 11, 2021 at 12:50 pm
Re the raid seizing patient files from Dr. Hobart’s surgery;

Is it fair dinkum that Craig Kelly’s medical records were stored there & among those seized?

Seems unlikely. Kelly is from Sydney, the raid was in Melbourne.

John of Mel
John of Mel
November 11, 2021 1:09 pm

Seems unlikely. Kelly is from Sydney, the raid was in Melbourne.

He might have asked Dr. Hobart for Ivermectin prescription as the doctor was one of only a few in Australia who do that.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 11, 2021 1:15 pm

I’m with you Delta. It is not your friends saying this. Only the people I care about are the only ones I pay any attention to personally. If I disagree with them they can get stuffed. Life is too short to worry about the arseholes and we all know what comes out of them. Sorry for being crude, but put some perspective into it. It seems too me the nanowrigglers have got to you. The events of the last 18 months have worn many down especially the older ones who expected to enjoy their twilight years. Imagine how its going to be for the children surrounded by the psychopathics (my new favorite word) endemic to our world. Will miss you.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 11, 2021 1:15 pm

John of Mel

He might have asked Dr. Hobart for Ivermectin prescription as the doctor was one of only a few in Australia who do that.

Possible. If true, UAP should be able to parlay an obvious political raid into a lot of publicity. Possibly enough to convince Federal Labor that TaliDan has become a liability.

Muddy
Muddy
November 11, 2021 1:21 pm

Tired of Killing – Mont Brehain, October, 1918.

The price of victory was paid with the lives of many very gallant officers, N.C.O.s and men whose loss in the closing stages of the war – perhaps in our last battle all regret.

So wrote the philosophical war diarist of the 24th Australian Infantry Battalion, 6th Brigade, 2nd Division, of the 1st A.I.F. on the 5th of October, 1918, ninety-five years ago today. It was indeed their last battle of the Great War, not only for the 24th Battalion, but for the infantry of the ANZAC Corps as a whole.

Unless you are a scholar of the 1st A.I.F. in the Great War, chances are you may not have heard of the location the war diarist was writing of – the name was unfamiliar to me until I became aware of a family connection.

Mont Brehain was a village east of Bellicourt, a major obstacle in the Hindenburg Line of German defences which had recently been penetrated by another Australian division.

I do not understand enough about the battle and its context to deliver a concise, lucid summary here, suffice it to say that the battalion gained their objectives and achieved another ‘win’ for the generals on paper. For a tired and understrength battalion (as many of them were at this stage of the war) however, the cost of success again ate into their physical and perhaps emotional, strength.

“B” Coy. alone, whose strength at the beginning of the operation was but 90 men claim[ed] to have killed 200 Huns and to have captured 200 Prisoners, 100 machine guns, 9 minenwerfers and a Field Gun. Our Prisoners were no fewer than 380, but as men were few, and the Pioneer Bn. was known to be mopping up in rear, they were sent back uncounted.

In his report, the Commanding Officer wrote:

“It is impossible to estimate the number of enemy killed by my Bn., but never before has it inflicted such heavy casualties. Vickers Gun, Lewis Gun, Rifle and Revolver ran out of ammunition repeatedly, extra supplies were sent forward and much was salved from casualties. German guns were freely used on the enemy, and the battlefield was littered with German dead.

“All the men say they are tired of killing,” wrote the battalion war diarist.

One of the 49 24th Battalion men Killed in Action or Died of Wounds (the battalion also suffered 75 Wounded in Action and 8 Missing), was my Great, Great Uncle, Corporal Norman Allen Grant. He was a tailor’s presser from Yackandandah in northern Victoria who enlisted on the 6th of July, 1915 and served in the 13th Light Horse Regiment and the 1st ANZAC Mounted Regiment prior to joining the 24th Infantry Battalion in France. On the 4th of October, 1917 he received a gunshot wound to the right shoulder and was sent to England to recuperate. Almost exactly one year later at Mont Brehain he was killed and later buried at the Calvaire British Cemetery. The sole effects as delivered to his mother amounted to a damaged fountain pen in a leather case, a ‘housewife’, a pair of socks and a devotional book.

Apart from these dry facts garnered from his service record, I know almost nothing about my great, great uncle, but I can’t help wondering what his emotional state may have been prior to this, his last day on earth. Did he feel as jaded, as worn-down and ‘tired of killing’ as his fellow soldiers did?

[Author – Muddy. Source: AWM4/23/41/37].

Muddy
Muddy
November 11, 2021 1:25 pm

Oops.

ninety-five years ago today.

Sorry. Obviously I wrote that piece some years ago, and my editing a few minutes ago was cursory.

dopey
dopey
November 11, 2021 1:28 pm

Arthurianism won’t help Lizzie one bit. It’s a tedious field of endless speculation. Joseph Conrad would be a more rewarding interest.

Cassie of Sydney
November 11, 2021 1:30 pm

“jupessays:
November 11, 2021 at 12:45 pm
Sorry to see you go Lizzie. Hopefully catch up in Sydney some time.”

We will Jupes. We’re lucky to know Lizzie personally.

Cassie of Sydney
November 11, 2021 1:32 pm

“Delta Asays:
November 11, 2021 at 12:39 pm”

Well said DA.

cohenite
November 11, 2021 1:34 pm

Daily Caller
@DailyCaller
Tucker Carlson: “Joseph Rosenbaum died as he had lived, trying to touch an unwilling minor.”

Outstanding.

Cassie of Sydney
November 11, 2021 1:34 pm

“Lizzie was the first person on SincCat with a kind word to me.”

Lizzie is kind and nice….it was Lizzie who encouraged me to comment here.

Muddy
Muddy
November 11, 2021 1:40 pm

Not Without its Sorrow… A Christmas Greeting from France, 1918.

I hesitate to quote from a document verbatim and then put it forward as the sum total of a blog entry, however on occasion I believe it is warranted to minimise the commentary and let the original author speak for him/her self. Such is the case with the following, a suggested text for a Christmas greeting to loved ones for the men of the Australian 23rd Infantry Battalion, A.I.F., then in France. It has been extracted from the October, 1918 battalion newsletter. The writer was not to know that their war would end within weeks:

It is difficult to send you a sincere Christmas Greeting. It is intended for those we love – are you not among the number – and we do not expect that joy will be singing in your hearts in these days. And so my greeting is tentative. Take as much of joy as you desire and know that it is not more than my thoughts wish you.

And there is reason for an increased happiness this Christmas in comparison with those of the past four years. We feel that we are on the floodtide of success, which is overwhelming the enemy in its intensity, and carrying us on to the shores where we will meet you again.

If our hearts are not yet singing they are near boiling point. And we can leave our message at that. The hope is high in us that our next greeting will be more intimate and wholly exultant. It shall be sealed with the seal of close and immediate companionship.

The year has not been without its sorrow; keen and keenly felt. Companions of many happy hours have disappeared from the familiar ranks. Where I stood beside a pal I now stand alone. But as a solace and a strength I have always had the knowledge of your affection.

This Christmas message is some acknowledgement of that debt; of the constant thought expressed in so many letters during the past year. Do not think to find me hard and callous, for suffering has taught me the value of life’s sweeter things. And I have found them typified in your ever affectionate remembrance.

My thought is ill-expressed, for I am a soldier, but I wish you a Christmas of quiet joy, and so remain, ever your affectionate …

[Editor – Muddy. Source – “The Red and White Diamond” (news sheet) in AWM4 23/41/37].

Muddy
Muddy
November 11, 2021 1:51 pm

Remembering the ‘Broken.’

Shattered Anzacs by Marina Larsson focuses not on the dead of the Great War, but on those who survived and returned home wounded – in body or mind – and the impact this had on their families. Larsson makes the point that these sacrifices – the loss of limbs, sight, lung function, or mental capacity – are just as worthy of acknowledgement as the roughly 60,000 men who were killed outright.

One of the roughly 150,000 wounded who returned to Australia was a man named Ernest Francis Healy. Frank Healy was a single, 27 year-old ‘painter and letterer’ from Dudley, Newcastle, N.S.W. when he enlisted in the 1st A.I.F. on the 21st of August, 1914, and was assigned the number ‘98’ which shows just how keen he was to volunteer.

He embarked with the 1st Australian Field Company Engineers just two months later, and after training in Egypt, was amongst those who landed at Gallipoli on that now fateful day, the 25th of April, 1915. Healy acted as a stretcher-bearer for a time, but roughly three weeks after landing, he was shot by a Turkish sniper and paralysed, as the bullet had lodged in his spine.

After being hospitalised in Egypt, Frank returned to Australia and was admitted to the 4th Australian General Hospital at Randwick, Sydney, in mid September the same year, where a crowd reportedly in the thousands was waiting to greet him and his fellow wounded.

As the first ‘cot case’ to be admitted to Randwick, he was interviewed by a journalist for the Sydney Morning Herald newspaper, and was philosophical in his response: “We did not go over for a holiday, you know. We represented the N.S.W. covering party, and we got it hot … to tell you the truth, you enjoy it while it lasts, but really don’t keep a tally of what you doing. It’s just like a nightmare.”

While Healy mentioned his brother of the 16th Infantry Battalion who had been killed, he stated that if he was able to recover from his wounds, he would return and “get home on those Turks,” though in all probability, the newspapers of the day may have written these words for him had he not uttered them himself.

He was complimentary of the treatment he had received in hospital in Egypt: “all that could be expected under very trying conditions,” though he mentioned – as others did – that they had received no Red Cross comfort parcels, however “other presents from local people made up for them.”

Healy was the proud owner of a ‘Turkish dog,’ which he had somehow managed to bring back (smuggle?) with him, and which at the time of his interview was in government quarantine. The miniature spaniel named ‘Gallipoli’ was found “in a Turkish camp we took” and journeyed with him to hospital in Egypt where it walked with other patients (as Healy himself was unable to) and became quite popular, to the point where he was “patted on the head from the General downwards.”

Laying “helpless on an air cushion,” Healy became a long-term resident at Randwick, and a “familiar figure to thousands of visitors.” For five years he had the use of his own tent, nicknamed ‘Canary Cottage,’ which had been set up for him near the entrance to the hospital grounds.

There is no record of what Sapper Healy’s feelings were as the subject of local ‘fame,’ however on the occasion of the visit to the hospital in 1920 of His Royal Highness, the Prince of Wales, he was honoured with the opportunity to meet the Prince and present to him a deluxe edition of the book “Remnants from Randwick,” written and illustrated by the residents. On the same occasion, the visiting royal renamed No.4 General Hospital Randwick, the Prince of Wales Hospital.

It is not known if Healy married, for a later newspaper report mentioning a ‘Mrs. Healy’ did not state if she was a wife or mother. In about 1927 or ’28, he was recorded as residing ‘in his home’ at Lane Cove, where the fundraising efforts of his community allowed the erection of a ‘motor garage’ to house the car which had been “specially constructed for his use.”

Sadly, however, he was “robbed… of what would have been one of his last pleasures in life” when, after 13 long years of complete dependence upon others, and the denial of the opportunities that his able-bodied peers were able to experience, Frank Healy collapsed and died on Thursday the 9th of August, 1928. It was, as one newspaper called it ‘The End of a Weary Road.”

So as you reflect today, or on Anzac Day or another such commemorative occasion, please spare a thought not only for those sacrificed their physical life, but also for the broken ones like Sapper Frank Healy, who gave their quality of life, and whose struggles endured long after the last casualty list had been published.

[Author – Muddy. Various references including Marina Larsson, Shattered Anzacs, UNSW Press, 2009, and others].

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 11, 2021 1:52 pm

Good stuff, Muddy.

Really good stuff.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 11, 2021 1:57 pm

there’s some very nasty types among the backpacker cohort.
Particularly the UK cohort.

Too true.

Snatch was a documentary.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
November 11, 2021 1:58 pm

Thankyou Muddy.

In about 2 minutes (relative) from the time of posting, the guns fell silent 103 years ago.

Most people will not Remember around me, but I will.

My association with those who fought and died was only professional, but I carried their legacy. It is the very least I can do in return.

Lest We Forget…

jupes
jupes
November 11, 2021 2:04 pm

Thanks a lot Muddy. Appreciate it.

Muddy
Muddy
November 11, 2021 2:05 pm

Last for today:
All Over – the 4th Squadron, Australian Flying Corps, WW1.

On the 10th of November, 1918, the 4th Squadron of the Australian Flying Corps, then based at Ennetiers in France and equipped with 21 serviceable Sopwith Snipes, flew a collective total of 80 hours and 10 minutes of ‘war time,’ dropped six 25-pound bombs on the enemy, and expended 1,000 rounds of small arms ammunition in strafing the same. An offensive patrol of fourteen aircraft escorting a bombing raid to Hal in the early afternoon observed 3 enemy Fokker Biplanes over Enghien, but it appears that these were not directly engaged.

The following day, Armistice Day as it is now known, just two Snipes flew offensive patrols for a total ‘war time’ of 1 hour and 45 minutes, and both were back on the ground by 1100 hours when all hostilities were to cease. No enemy aircraft were seen, no bombs dropped on troop or transport concentrations, and no rounds fired. The war was all but over.

Less aggressive activity continued however, as the Squadron (which had previously flown the Sopwith Camel) was one of four chosen to go forward with the Army of Occupation, and flying still posed a danger even without the presence of the enemy, for three days following the Armistice, a pilot, Lt. L.K. Swann died in hospital of his injuries following an aircraft accident on the aerodrome at Ennetieres. Swann, who had won the Military Medal with the 40th Battalion A.I.F. before being commissioned and trained as a pilot with the A.F.C., had been taken on strength of the 4th Squadron only five days previously. He died of a fractured skull and internal injuries.

The Squadron was stationed at Bickendorf, near Cologne, Germany from mid December, 1918 until March the following year when it began the journey home via the United Kingdom, arriving in Melbourne in mid June, 1919 prior to disbandment.

In its almost three year history, including 11 months of operational experience in France, the Squadron suffered 35 killed and 16 wounded.

[Author – Muddy. References: AWM4 & NAA: B2455 series. Details available upon request].

Muddy
Muddy
November 11, 2021 2:06 pm

Time to be pedantic.
Swann, who had won the Military Medal

Please substitute ‘earned’ for ‘won.’

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure

Please substitute ‘earned’ for ‘won.’

Perhaps ‘earned and received’

calli
calli
November 11, 2021 2:09 pm

Please substitute ‘earned’ for ‘won.’

Thanks, Muddy. It always grates.

It’s a contest no one would engage in willingly. Ditto VC.

calli
calli
November 11, 2021 2:10 pm

“Awarded” also works. It has a sense of being weighed in the scales and being found amply sufficient.

Muddy
Muddy
November 11, 2021 2:13 pm

I don’t mind, Dover. The challenge is getting your attention, though. Have you received my recent Catictionary submission?

Winston Smith
November 11, 2021 2:20 pm

TFM:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/10/care-homes-in-england-set-to-lose-50000-staff-as-covid-vaccine-becomes-mandatory

Somehow, I get the feeling this isn’t about healthy working conditions – it’s more about getting rid of carers who cost, and replacing them with cheaper ones who will work for less, via kickbacks for services.

Muddy
Muddy
November 11, 2021 2:22 pm

I’ll send you a quick email later, Dover, regarding the Catictionary. I’m feeling a bit cranky, but don’t want to do this in public, which I think is bad form.

Yes, it’s fine to combine the above posts.

Vicki
November 11, 2021 2:24 pm

Those claiming to suffer from Long COVID are attributing fatigue etc to Long COVID but are just generally out of shape. More than half claiming Long COVID never had COVID.

Although I am vastly sceptical about a lot of claims about COVID19, the existence of the so-called “Long COVID” does not surprise me.

CV19, after all, is a virus, and many suffer a syndrome, now simply called “Post Viral Syndrome” after appearing to recover from the initial virus. This is commonly characterised by extreme fatigue, myalgia, & a bunch of other symptoms. My mother suffered from this following a bout of Ross River Fever. She consulted many physicians, including some well known specialists. One, in particular, did tests on her muscle function & could find no physical restriction. But she simply could not walk for normal distances. She was never a “shirker” and, as a keen gardener, often wept over her inability to do the thing she loved the most.

cohenite
November 11, 2021 2:24 pm

Brent Boltitude, one of the morons on 2SM rabbiting on about EVs and the phasing out of petrol cars and fossils. Guy rings up and tells him roads (as well as EVs) are made out of coal – bitumen, tar, concrete, steel, rubber etc – as well as powered by it so you can’t get rid of coal because of the many things which are made from it. Boltitude said he had never heard that before. I have been telling him for years that coal is just as important as an ingredient as well as a fuel source. FMD I hate the media.

Vicki
November 11, 2021 2:27 pm

BTW for those Cats who have very kindly inquired about my grandson – we are still awaiting the result of his surgery. On examining him, the surgeon remarked that it looked like he had been hit with a baseball bat, the damage was so severe.

Thank you for your concern.

calli
calli
November 11, 2021 2:30 pm

Yes, Vicki. I agree. It’s just Post Viral Syndrome, or Chronic Fatigue.

When I say “just” it isn’t to downplay the problem. I had it in my 30’s after a bout of HepA contracted in PNG. Three young children, and basically unable to function. But you crack on as best you can, sometimes to the doubts of people who haven’t had it and think you’re piking. Wouldn’t wish it on anyone, but it’s fantasy to think it’s something spookily new.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
November 11, 2021 2:39 pm

Mother Lodesays:
November 11, 2021 at 10:41 am

Mother Lode so eloquently said, I almost feel sad for the spiv then I remember his spiteful arrogance and the recession we had to have and that feeling evaporates.

Zipster
Zipster
November 11, 2021 2:41 pm

Heavily bureaucratised Western governments are a recent development. They are a product of the Industrial Revolution and the mass society that it enabled. Before the modern bureaucratic apparatus arose, governments behaved more legibly, towards a much more confined set of purposes. Primarily, they collected taxes and waged wars. What the bureaucracy has brought us, is a wealth of ancillary government functions that nobody even 100 years ago could have imagined, together with a suite of bizarre and unpredictable behaviour that nobody can explain. Corona has been an object lesson in all of the truly crazy and destructive things a broadly distributed bureaucratic policy consensus founded upon false premises can achieve.

bugmen empires

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 11, 2021 2:42 pm

Jowly chick on Focks Sports’ The Back Page moaning about skinfold tests for chick football ‘players’.

‘Ooooh but they do it in front of teammates and the staff and all the officials know about the results and it can be devastating‘ she said.

What? Thousands of blokes undergo the same thing every year, umpteen times a year.

If they want to be paid the same and hold close the fantasy that they are the equal of players with penises, then stop your fucking bitching and get on with it.

local oaf
November 11, 2021 2:44 pm

Was just sending a message of support to someone via Fakebook messenger and decided to add a cheery gif.

What came up in the offerings for “soon be over” you might ask?

An image of Biden addressing a crowd of his followers and saying…..

“The days of Donald Trump’s divisiveness will soon be over”

I’m speechless, I am without speech!

Dot
Dot
November 11, 2021 2:48 pm

John Ruddick
@JohnRuddick2
·
4h
Journal of the American Medical Assoc concludes: Long COVID barely exists.

Those claiming to suffer from Long COVID are attributing fatigue etc to Long COVID but are just generally out of shape. More than half claiming Long COVID never had COVID.

Quick, someone inform our resident fattard, monty.

Gilas
Gilas
November 11, 2021 2:52 pm

The 3rd World is now the Climate Vulnerable World.

That’s been the case since 2009, at least.
Remember the shithole-island politicians pretending to drown.. for the cameras?

Come on Cats! Your memory’s better than that!

Old bloke
Old bloke
November 11, 2021 3:00 pm

I forget the name of the journalist, but it was in the now defunct Bulletin magazine

Was that the interview where the journalist asked Keating how he was. Keating replied that he was keeping fit, “like a greyhound, all muscle with a dick.”

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
November 11, 2021 3:00 pm

‘The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.’

Maybe Mr Morrison’s doing nothing and saying nothing about the dreadful situation for so many people in Australia is that ‘good’ is not an adjective that applies to Mr Morrison, cowardly, craven, prideful, egocentric, tin-eared … but not ‘good’

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
November 11, 2021 3:04 pm

I just cant grasp that medical professionals are willing to induce anaphylaxis for the sake of vaccinating someone.
Deliberately.

Is it attempted murder/manslaughter?

MatrixTransform
November 11, 2021 3:07 pm

guys, I just found a tiara in the Cat open forum.

…anybody know whose it is?

calli
calli
November 11, 2021 3:12 pm

Why thank you, Matrix. I wondered where I’d dropped it. 😀

Indolent
Indolent
November 11, 2021 3:14 pm

Talk about lack of relevance, someone seems to have gone right off his rocker.

Prince Harry says he warned Twitter CEO that a coup was about to happen a day before the Capitol riot

I used to think his problem was just being too credulous but, honestly, now I think he’s just as loony as that horror of a wife of his. The apple obviously hasn’t fallen far from the tree.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
November 11, 2021 3:20 pm

IMO, you need to toughen up, and I say that as someone who used to worry unduly about what people thought of me, but lately have developed a very thick skin which can not be penetrated by pixels on a blog. This came about the hard way: long, disgusted grimaces as strangers studied me from top to amputation stump, as though I were some gross exhibit in a carnival.

Lizzie Delta A has a point but I know your loving husband cares for you so much and he doesn’t want to see you hurt. You are indeed blessed to have such a loving husband with whom to share Life’s ups and downs. Will miss your comments. Arrivederci presto.

calli
calli
November 11, 2021 3:20 pm

Thanks Harry. What a scoop.

He must have missed the actual coup that occurred two months and three days earlier.

Easy to overlook if you’re only watching with your Left eye.

Old bloke
Old bloke
November 11, 2021 3:22 pm

John of Mel says:
November 11, 2021 at 12:05 pm

Australia now has a terrible image overseas. I’d wager not many would be willing to risk it being caught here with a horrible Fascist so called ‘government’.

I know one Christian Indian family who are moving back to India, because they can’t stand what’s happening here.

60,000 Australian citizens have departed to distant shores to escape the tyranny. So to have 300,000 permanent visa holders who have decided that this land is not to their liking.

What have we lost due to this madness which has descended on us. Those who have left obviously possessed skills,talents and capital which are sought elsewhere, how many skilled doctors, clever engineers, and enterprising entrepreneurs have withdrawn their services to the common good of the nation.

jupes
jupes
November 11, 2021 3:27 pm

Prince Harry says he warned Twitter CEO that a coup was about to happen a day before the Capitol riot

Harry was spot on. Twitter did assist in a coup.

Winston Smith
November 11, 2021 3:28 pm

Calli:

Why thank you, Matrix. I wondered where I’d dropped it. ?

Hmmmm.
You’re a lot younger looking than you sound, Calli.

Old bloke
Old bloke
November 11, 2021 3:30 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:
November 11, 2021 at 12:14 pm

Sadly, after eleven years, I am withdrawing from Catallaxy.

I will be sorry to see you go, LizzieB. I have enjoyed your contributions.

Same from me Lizzie, please let us know when your King Arthur book gets published.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 11, 2021 3:35 pm

Muddy

One of the roughly 150,000 wounded who returned to Australia was a man named Ernest Francis Healy. Frank Healy was a single, 27 year-old ‘painter and letterer’ from Dudley, Newcastle, N.S.W. when he enlisted in the 1st A.I.F. on the 21st of August, 1914, and was assigned the number ‘98’ which shows just how keen he was to volunteer.

In a day or so, I will put up a post on WW I army numbers. It is not as simple a subject as the bolded bit suggests.

Winston Smith
November 11, 2021 3:35 pm

Delta A:
I just read your post about losing your foot and how you felt about it.
I realise we gave you a bit of curry about it, suggesting all you needed was a parrot for fancy dress, etc.
I certainly hope you took it in good humour as intended.
But abject apologies if I hurt your feelings.

calli
calli
November 11, 2021 3:37 pm

I’m an Old Soul, Winston. 😀

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
November 11, 2021 3:44 pm

60,000 Australian citizens have departed to distant shores to escape the tyranny. So to have 300,000 permanent visa holders who have decided that this land is not to their liking.

Three of those 300,000 were three disability workers who worked with my son, competent, compassionate and favourites of his — he has been terribly disturbed by the changes in his life over which he has no control and about which he cannot utter a word —- only through his behaviour does he express his heightened anxiety about what is happening in his life. It is crushing to see him so fraught, he pounds his head in frustration, gouges his flesh, and pulls his toenails off such is his anxiety. I’ll say no more.

Bushkid
Bushkid
November 11, 2021 3:46 pm

Tintarella di Luna says:
November 11, 2021 at 3:04 pm
I just cant grasp that medical professionals are willing to induce anaphylaxis for the sake of vaccinating someone.
Deliberately.
Is it attempted murder/manslaughter?

At the very least you’d be excused for thinking it’s gross medical negligence.

Are these doctors all being blackmailed or something? What can be enticing them to go against all common sense and, you’d think, their medical training? To any commonsense person, this is absolutely nuts, stark raving bonkers in any medical care sense.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
November 11, 2021 3:48 pm

At the very least you’d be excused for thinking it’s gross medical negligence.

For which they can be sued — ahem, I know a good lawyer who has a leading case in NSW on medical negligence

Delta A
Delta A
November 11, 2021 3:49 pm

Winston Smithsays:
November 11, 2021 at 3:35 pm

No apologies necessary, Winnie. In fact, IIRC, I thanked you all for your witty efforts to cheer me.

My chagrin arose when I started going out in public, to the shops etc. People do stare. Old lady in a wheelchair, wonder what’s wrong with… ew, there it is. Gross.

I wouldn’t have mentioned it, except my situation then was similar to Elizabeth’s now – hurty feelings – and the only way to deal with that is to toughen up.

Vicki
November 11, 2021 3:52 pm

What did that wily old bastard Paul Keating say……………”Always back the horse called Self Interest……”

JC
JC
November 11, 2021 3:55 pm

Liz

Don’t flounce. Just stick around.

Delta A
Delta A
November 11, 2021 3:55 pm

Winnie, you also told me about your amputee mate and the redbacks.

I still laugh about that.

calli
calli
November 11, 2021 4:00 pm

Yes, JC.

There’s a lot to be said for lurking.

I suspect that’s where a lot of the dickless uptrickery* is coming from.

* note to Muddy – you have to put “Dickless upticking” in the Catictionary

bespoke
bespoke
November 11, 2021 4:00 pm
Gilas
Gilas
November 11, 2021 4:05 pm

Sadly, after eleven years, I am withdrawing from Catallaxy.

I sincerely hope you won’t.
IIRC you did this previously, yet here we are.

This Cat is still the best blog in OZ, by several light-years, the only reason it works is because of the general intelligence and life-experience of all involved.
Even the socks contribute to its protean entertainment.
The “secret” is to keep it all in perspective, it’s just a blog, not one’s life. Accept the positives and ignore the negatives.. the overall result is still (much) more than zero.
Having the last word, as many here are intent on doing, is also a waste of time… In the end, nobody here cares about who “wins” some stupid argument.
Oh, and it’s second to none for the level and breadth of information that passes through it, yours included.

Sociopaths who derive pleasure from others’ distress are everywhere, even here.
Just ignore/scroll them… and keep contributing, as it’s clearly something that you’re good at, and that seems to improve your QOL.
In the end, that’s all that matters.

Lysander
Lysander
November 11, 2021 4:07 pm

Former Communist Countries leading the world race to not be duped…

Vax rates:
-75.6% of European Union citizens are fully vaccinated
-Bulgaria is 26.2%
-39.6% in Romania
-20.2% of Ukraine’s population
-36% Russians;
-etc…

Vicki
November 11, 2021 4:07 pm

I have discussed with my husband my feelings about what is going on at this site, about the pile-ons that are induced by a woman with a fixation, which obviously then provide a basis for others to share it. It has been something I have endured on the old Cat

Sorry to hear that Lizzie. I have only just read back through the days’ posts – as my grandson’s accident has occupied me most of the day, with occasional time-off to look at recent posts & to post my own replies.

There are very strong characters on this blog. It is what I admire a lot about it. And outstanding intellects, with a lot of life experience as well. Love you to reconsider, but Hairy’s feelings also very much a consideration. Bon chance!

Cassie of Sydney
November 11, 2021 4:09 pm

“JCsays:
November 11, 2021 at 3:55 pm
Liz

Don’t flounce. Just stick around.”

JC, I will encourage her. Sometimes we all need a break from here. However the Cat is like Hotel California, whilst you can check-out any time, you can never leave.

calli
calli
November 11, 2021 4:09 pm

Having the last word, as many here are intent on doing, is also a waste of time…

True, that. And if someone says something horridly, horrid to you, leave it there like a fart in a lift. If there’s a stack of blue thumbs, look at them as extra little stinks.

areff
areff
November 11, 2021 4:12 pm

Lizzie, what Gilas said. Stay.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
November 11, 2021 4:13 pm

Having the last word, as many here are intent on doing, is also a waste of time…

No it’s not! 😀

#TeeHee!

calli
calli
November 11, 2021 4:13 pm

Yes it is. So there.

bespoke
bespoke
November 11, 2021 4:15 pm

1st and last.

incoherent rambler
incoherent rambler
November 11, 2021 4:16 pm

guys, I just found a tiara in the Cat open forum.

…anybody know whose it is?

Nope. But I found a thumb condom on the patio.

Bar Beach Swimmer
November 11, 2021 4:21 pm

Varvel and Garrison this morning, Tom, especially Garrison.

When the side-effects of these products become a subject for a cartoonist, you know that a corner has been turned.

JC
JC
November 11, 2021 4:24 pm

I’ve also been thinking about making a permanent exit from the Cat after so many years. I’ve really been hurt at times by those attacks against me by my detractors. I’m calling it quits and best regards all my blog pals.

JC
JC
November 11, 2021 4:25 pm

hahahahahaha Just kidding. As if.

Cassie of Sydney
November 11, 2021 4:25 pm

“JCsays:
November 11, 2021 at 4:24 pm
I’ve also been thinking about making a permanent exit from the Cat after so many years. I’ve really been hurt at times by those attacks against me by my detractors. I’m calling it quits and best regards all my blog pals.”

Don’t you dare go anywhere.

JC
JC
November 11, 2021 4:28 pm

Cassie

I’m not. The chances of that happening are absolutely zero. Don’t worry. With all these idiots here needing to be frequently schooled about their rank stupidity… There’s no chance. Also, it’s fun.

calli
calli
November 11, 2021 4:28 pm

I’d give you a big sheaf of flowers to celebrate your comeback, JC, but Dover has no suitable emojis.

bespoke
bespoke
November 11, 2021 4:28 pm

hahahahahaha Just kidding. As if.

Tease!

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