2,702 thoughts on “Open Thread – Mon 29 Nov 2021”

  1. “DrBeauGansays:
    November 29, 2021 at 7:30 pm
    LOL. Lost me at ‘gay conservative’. An oxymoron by definition hahahahaha

    No it’s not. Plenty of gay men are conservative politically.”

    Indeed. Andy Ngo, Spencer Klavan (son of Andrew Klaven) and Dave Rubin are all conservatives.


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  2. miltonfsays:
    November 29, 2021 at 6:40 pm
    The thing that surprises me about Clinton is that they haven’t even given her some sort of consolation prize.

    She got away with millions with the “Clinton Foundation”. That should be enough.


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  3. H B Bearsays:
    November 29, 2021 at 6:40 pm
    The traditional Left Right divide is rarely a useful way to think about things today.

    Internationalists/nationalists.

    Cosmopolitans/parochials.

    Anywheres/somewheres.


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  4. miltonf

    Agree. I know I kidded myself for decades that the LNP had our best interests at heart but I think that really stopped in the 70s.

    Jolly John Gorton was the last truly Australian PM.


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  5. BJ I’m sure Clinton has more money than she could ever need but I’m sure she lusts after power and the opportunity for revenge and bullying it bestows.


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  6. A friend has just told me her daughter was refused an appointment at a doctor’s surgery in suburban Adelaide because she was not “vaccinated”.

    Is this happening widely, or is it a new thing?


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  7. The kid has to sue these bastards blind. You can’t reason or negotiate with the left.

    These are not nice, rational people. They are feral and evil.

    Also quite a low risk way of very rapidly becoming obscenely rich. I wonder what Mr Sandmann’s portfolio is bringing in pa? Lawyers too with CVs in hand should be lining up around the block of Rittenhouse’s house, if they have any sense.


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  8. The co-opting of the homosexual lobby was largely a marriage (no pun intended) of convenience. I would put most politically active gays into the useful idiots category. It was largely just another stick to bash Abbott, if one was needed.


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  9. The kid has to sue these bastards blind. You can’t reason or negotiate with the left.

    Unfortunately, the organization that wrote that tripe, ‘Mecha de ASU‘, are a small group of college student aspiring ‘revolutionaries’ at Arizona State University who were obviously hunting for some notoriety/publicity. I doubt they have two pennies to rub together.

    What they apparently do have is a charter from the University. So that may be Kyle’s best target.


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  10. DrBeauGansays:
    November 29, 2021 at 7:30 pm
    LOL. Lost me at ‘gay conservative’. An oxymoron by definition hahahahaha

    No it’s not. Plenty of gay men are conservative politically.

    LOL. Oxymoron haha.


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  11. No it’s not. Plenty of gay men are conservative politically.

    ..

    con·ser·va·tism (k?n-sûr?v?-t?z??m)
    n.
    1. The inclination, especially in politics, to maintain the existing or traditional order.
    2. A political philosophy or attitude that emphasizes respect for traditional institutions and opposes the attempt to achieve social change though legislation or publicly funded programs.
    3. Caution or moderation, as in behavior or outlook.

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    I don’t think taking cock up the backside counts as traditional, cautious or moderate.
    But then, maybe people are going with the more free dick wheeling definition of “conservative” which includes drug addled sex traffickers and slave traders, as long as they give the nod to free markets.


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  12. Razeysays:
    November 29, 2021 at 8:00 pm
    DrBeauGansays:
    November 29, 2021 at 7:30 pm
    LOL. Lost me at ‘gay conservative’. An oxymoron by definition hahahahaha

    No it’s not. Plenty of gay men are conservative politically.

    Oh yeah, I have some magic beans for sale too. haha


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  13. Arkysays:
    November 29, 2021 at 8:01 pm
    No it’s not. Plenty of gay men are conservative politically.

    ..

    con·ser·va·tism (k?n-sûr?v?-t?z??m)
    n.
    1. The inclination, especially in politics, to maintain the existing or traditional order.
    2. A political philosophy or attitude that emphasizes respect for traditional institutions and opposes the attempt to achieve social change though legislation or publicly funded programs.
    3. Caution or moderation, as in behavior or outlook.

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    I don’t think taking cock up the backside counts as traditional, cautious or moderate.
    But then, maybe people are going with the more free dick wheeling definition of “conservative” which includes drug addled sex traffickers and slave traders, as long as they give the nod to free markets.

    Perverts taking penis up the anus have ZERO claim to any form of conservatism.


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  14. The traditional Left Right divide is rarely a useful way to think about things today.

    The Right is about small, unobtrusive government.
    The Left is about government control, collective action and central planning.

    It seems obvious to me that it’s still useful under the current circumstances.

    That some on the Left don’t like it, doesn’t mean it’s not Left inspired, it just means they don’t like the shit they’ve been selling for years, when it lands on them. It’s an awakening of sorts.

    That some on the Right are supporting it, doesn’t mean that it’s associated with the Right, it just means those maggots are actually leftists.

    Left and Right is still still a useful and appropriate divide, it’s just that who belongs in what camp is a little mixed up currently. We’re slowly sorting them out.


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  15. Jolly John Gorton was the last truly Australian PM.

    I always though that John Gorton was the last true Australian Prime Minister, in a way Bob Hawke merely pretended to be.


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  16. Cassie of Sydneysays:
    November 29, 2021 at 8:01 pm
    Oh and one of the best conservative thinkers in the world is gay…Douglas Murray.

    NOPE! He’s a disgusting pervert.


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  17. I always though that John Gorton was the last true Australian Prime Minister, in a way Bob Hawke merely pretended to be.

    Gorton was a total dumbarse, even Tony nAbbott made a better fist of the job.
    His nickname wasn’t Bungles for no reason.


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  18. JC:

    Just like that, Hillary Clinton is president of the United States.

    This scenario was discussed early last year.
    I see no reason why it wouldn’t be applicable today.
    Feelthebren:

    JC, they’d have to wait until after the mid-terms wouldn’t they?
    Otherwise it would be an early referendum on Hillary.

    Exactly. There’s no telling what the mid terms will do to the US polity.
    moderated

  19. His nickname wasn’t Bungles for no reason.

    Funny, I always knew his nickname as “Jolly John ” – he liked a few drinks and a pretty face. That’s the first I ve heard him named “Bungles.”


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  20. miltonf says:
    November 29, 2021 at 8:04 pm
    I reckon Andy Ngo is braver than any of the fuckwits above

    ..
    One doesn’t have to be a conservative to be a decent human though.
    For sure, don’t crowbar things into the category “conservative” that don’t belong there, but also understand that true conservatism as we knew it hardly exists anymore.


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  21. Revisiting the Blainey episode from 1984 is a reminder of how vile the academy was even 35 years ago.

    Nick Coatsworth is experiencing the same treatment today.

    And of course there’s Peter Ridd.

    How many cases never make the news?

    Guide your kids away from university if you can; if you can’t, good luck.


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  22. Jeremy Hans is doing sterling service in exposing the pathological dishonesty of the leftards’ hysterical campaign against the draft religious discrimination laws. What’s really worrying is that this tripe is coming not just from the media but from so-called lawyers in the corrupt and despicable so-called human rights industry.


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  23. Let’s face it. The actual death of Australia occurred when gays were ‘allowed’ to marry. It’s been a death spiral ever since, and now we witness the horrible spectre of immorality Australia has become.

    It will only get worse. Its inevitable, and a just consequence of normalising perversion.


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  24. Jolly John Gorton was the last truly Australian PM.

    I always though that John Gorton was the last true Australian Prime Minister, in a way Bob Hawke merely pretended to be.

    I heard a story about Gorton which I can’t vouch for, but seems plausible.

    He was at a lunch in Melbourne and went hard, and was taken back to the old Essendon Airport absolutely off his face, and was carried aboard the RAAF plane to go back to Canberra and strapped into his seat.
    He started to turn a bit green. Then greener and greener, then the plane got technicolour decorated.
    Gorton looked at the WRAAFi who was acting as air hostess and said “I bet you didn’t think an old fighter pilot like me could get airsick”.
    “No,” she replied, “especially since the pilot hasn’t even turned the engine on yet”.


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  25. Media accused of belatedly approaching ex-soldier in defamation case
    By Adam Cooper
    November 29, 2021 — 6.42pm

    Lawyers for the news outlets being sued by Ben Roberts-Smith have been accused of belatedly approaching a former soldier about him giving evidence against the Victoria Cross recipient over the alleged murder of a farmer in Afghanistan.

    Mr Roberts-Smith, a former Special Air Service soldier, is suing The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald for defamation over stories published that allege he was involved in multiple unlawful killings as a serving Australian soldier in Afghanistan. Mr Roberts-Smith denies the allegations and claims the articles are defamatory because they portray him as a war criminal.

    The media outlets are defending the claims in a Federal Court trial and relying on a defence of truth.

    The trial is set to resume next year, and the media have since applied to call a former soldier who served on missions in 2012 with Mr Roberts-Smith to give evidence against him.

    The former soldier, known as Person 56, served alongside Mr Roberts-Smith in Darwan, where farmer Ali Jan was killed. The news outlets allege Mr Roberts-Smith kicked a handcuffed Mr Jan off a cliff and that the farmer was then shot dead by Australian soldiers and his death covered up. Mr Roberts-Smith denies the allegations.

    On Monday, the court was told that it was unfair that the media companies’ lawyers had approached Person 56 and his lawyer after Mr Roberts-Smith and other key witnesses gave evidence at trial. Mr Roberts-Smith’s lawyers argue the media’s lawyers struck an agreement not to question Person 56 about a mission in Fasil in 2012, where an Afghan adolescent was allegedly murdered.

    Arthur Moses, SC, for Mr Roberts-Smith, said Justice Anthony Besanko had previously refused to give the media permission to call Person 56 as a witness, and that their subsequent conduct meant any communications between lawyers for the news outlets and the former soldier should be released.

    “This case should not be permitted to be a never-ending story with the [media] seeking to make late applications to call additional witnesses, when they realise either that forensic decisions have gone wrong or that the evidence they have called doesn’t establish what they have alleged,” Mr Moses said.

    “On Person 56 … they have flipped, flopped and flipped again in relation to calling him.”

    Mr Moses said the media’s legal team struck a deal not to question Person 56 about what happened in Fasil provided he gave evidence about what happened in Darwan about Mr Jan’s death.

    “This is a side deal brokered by the [media] and agreed to by Person 56 for him to come give evidence to the court about the Darwan mission only, with no evidence … about his alleged illegal conduct in relation to other matters.”

    Nicholas Owens, SC, acting for the media, has previously denied there was a deal between his team and Person 56 and the man’s lawyer.

    Mr Owens said his colleagues tried to contact Person 56 before Mr Roberts-Smith and other witnesses gave evidence at trial, but it was only recently that they had been able to speak directly to Person 56.

    He rejected a suggestion his team’s conduct waived confidential privileges between the parties, and opposed the application by Mr Roberts-Smith’s lawyers seeking communication between the media and Person 56.

    Justice Besanko will rule on whether the communications are released and whether Person 56 is to give evidence on a later date.



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  26. Bar Beach Swimmer says:
    November 29, 2021 at 8:27 pm

    Is this happening widely, or is it a new thing?

    Yes.

    I take it that means yes, it’s happening widely?


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  27. I heard a story about Gorton which I can’t vouch for, but seems plausible.

    I’d heard the same story, from what Reuters would designate “A reliable source.”


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  28. Ellen of Tasmania says: from the thread “There were a lot more than 20,000 ”
    November 29, 2021 at 2:43 pm
    We spoke to an elderly, Melbourne relative yesterday. She knew nothing about the protests, is convinced that only the unvaccinated are getting seriously ill, and will happily take her booster jab when it’s time.

    It upsets her to have any other perspective suggested.

    The “vaxxines” are said to cause many micro-clots ( that’s if the big ones don’t get you first. )

    Does anyone know if these micro-clots cause cognitive problems?

    I know there’s the psyops aspects where they think it is necessary for everyone else to get the “jab” but are the “vaxxines” actually causing brain damage?


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  29. There was a seminar today by the NSW Law Society about Net Zero with a number of activist lawyers mouthing shear shit and propaganda: here are the relevant wankers:

    Once upon a time I wrote a small script that sanitised text by replacing all the words from a given list with a single word. A not very nice word, a word that is improper among civilised company. The list of words to be replaced would include activist, lawyer, marxist, environmentalist, SJW, journalist, raising awareness and on and on. The neat thing about it is that it would highlight tautologies very clearly.

    Applying it to the sentence above produces

    There was a seminar today by the NSW Law Society about Net Zero with a number of c*nt c*nts mouthing shear shit and propaganda: here are the relevant wankers:



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  30. There was a seminar today by the NSW Law Society about Net Zero with a number of activist lawyers…

    Lawyers opine on the climate while experts in hand washing offer their advice to governments on vaccines and the right of male deviants to use female toilets is celebrated.

    It is our misfortune to live in the stupidest of times.


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  31. Mr Ed

    Gorton was a total dumbarse, even Tony nAbbott made a better fist of the job.

    The question wasn’t about the “best” PM, it was about who was the last one who actually cared for Australia and Australians. Gorton was the one.


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  32. Zulu

    That’s the first I ve heard him named “Bungles.”

    I think that Mr Ed might have been confused with Willie Wingnuts McMahon, who was an awful bungler.


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  33. A friend has just told me her daughter was refused an appointment at a doctor’s surgery in suburban Adelaide because she was not “vaccinated”.

    Is this happening widely, or is it a new thing?

    More widely than we thought, I believe. Had several incidents amongst unvaxxed friends getting the same message or offers to treat them outside in the damned carpark. My GP demands that of me she will be my ex GP.
    The one that infuriated me was done to a regional Vietnam vet in his mid 70s with both physical and psychological issues from his service. His doctor forced the vax on him in order to continue as his patient. He very reluctantly acquiesced but was incredibly distressed afterwards. Has been this mongrel’s patient for 20+years.


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  34. A specialist the other half’s previously been to has refused to see him. I’ve also seen a few reports on-line.

    Reignite Democracy Australia has a letter for people to use – I’ve downloaded it but not yet read it too closely. But we do need to find another GP as ours is closing his surgery permanently tomorrow.


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  35. Interestingly enough, last weeks meet up for a stress echo with my cardiologist did not result in any coercion or even discussion. His response to my reasons for not succumbing was extremely muted and vaguely implied agreement.
    I did wonder if he is seeing unexpected consequences in a younger vaxxed cohort but I didn’t want to push the topic any further.
    I am completely over the whole nonsensical debacle.


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  36. I think that Mr Ed might have been confused with Willie Wingnuts McMahon, who was an awful bungler.

    Willie McMahon, who, on one notable occasion, couldn’t remember his wife’s name?


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  37. The question wasn’t about the “best” PM, it was about who was the last one who actually cared for Australia and Australians. Gorton was the one.

    I think you are right, BJ.

    Abbott, with all his faults, comes in behind him.


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  38. Mr Ed

    The Labor Party people in Canberra called Gorton “Bungles”>

    Now there’s a reliable demographic for commentary about a Liberal PM. Have you dropped your faux “conservative” mask?


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  39. Let’s face it. The actual death of Australia occurred when gays were ‘allowed’ to marry. It’s been a death spiral ever since, and now we witness the horrible spectre of immorality Australia has become.

    No. Don’t be fucking stupid.

    130,000 abortions a year were not caused by gay marriage.


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  40. Anbbott isn’t even an Australian, he was born in Britain with a silver spoon in his mouth

    And your life of service to the public of Australia? What of it?


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  41. “… brought a second one and a set of different TX / RX transmitter crystals…”

    It’s likely a single chip receiver anyway I would expect and the “inductor” likely part of the IF filtering. If you can manage to get the numbers off the chip, you can most likely google it for a pinout and/or circuit, and specs – often even example circuits for various “uses”. The specs should give you an idea of what you’re dealing with and if what you want to do is even possible without replacing a “full set” of actuators (servos) and/or motor control (PWM speed controller) electronics.
    I’d ask a specialist store about it.


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  42. Interestingly enough, last weeks meet up for a stress echo with my cardiologist did not result in any coercion or even discussion.

    I would think that any cardiologist that’s a decent human being would be pretty concerned about their new clientele, young and vax damaged.


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  43. And your life of service to the public of Australia? What of it?

    Are you fucking kidding?
    Abbott was a dud, but he wasn’t short on ambition.
    Remember him telling Tony Windsor “I’d sell my arse to be Prime Minister, Tony.”
    Windsor supported Gillard after hearing that, doubtless a wise move.


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  44. Windsor supported Gillard after hearing that, doubtless a wise move.

    Such a wise move that she didn’t even get a rematch and Abbott (admittedly not a popular PM) trounced Kevni Ruff.

    Mmyes, the wisdom of Solomon strikes again.


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  45. Are you fucking kidding?
    Abbott was a dud, but he wasn’t short on ambition.
    Remember him telling Tony Windsor “I’d sell my arse to be Prime Minister, Tony.”
    Windsor supported Gillard after hearing that, doubtless a wise move.

    I didn’t ask for you assessment on Abbott, your views are already clear, you are entitled to your opinion, it is just that.

    I asked what you have ever done for the betterment of the public. What you’ve ever done to try to make the country a better place, or help your fellow man. Anything worth noting?


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  46. Windows has just updated my laptop and now I can’t seem to retrieve my emails – I use Mozilla Thunderbird with my email account – any ideas, anyone?

    thank you, in advance.

    I also can’t find where the search engine stuff is located now either.


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  47. ” No it’s not. Plenty of gay men are conservative politically.

    LOL. Oxymoron haha.”

    Nah – just a shift of political landscape. Those guys never changed, the Dems did and you know it. The old centre-left position is now finding it has more in common with the right than the left.


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  48. Roger says:
    November 29, 2021 at 6:46 pm

    Indeed. He was not warning us about what God was going to do, but man.

    In the OT God usually visited his judgment upon the Israelites via other nations.

    And He shall do so again in the future Roger at the time called Jacob’s Troubles. As you know, Jacob (Israel) was the father of the thirteen tribes who were and continue to be divided into two groups, the House of Judah – (primarily the Jews of Judah, Levi and half Benjamin) and the House of Israel, also known as the House of Joseph, who represent the other tribes.

    The latter group ended up in western Europe, the R1b1a2 people, and at the “ends of the world” in the Anglosphere.

    Look and see where the mandatory jabbing, vaxx passports, lock-downs, curfews etc. are occurring, it’s all those places where the Jews and the Joes live. No “no jab-no job” in Mexico, no vaxx passports in Egypt, no curfews in Brazil, this tyranny is directed solely at the descendants of Jacob.


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  49. John Gorton was the real thing. I remember vividly when I was in a change room at David Jones city store when it was announced over the loud speakers that he was chosen to fill the vacancy left by Harold Holt. I was 27yrs old at the time. I thought that it was going to be Hasluck. As it turned out Gorton was indeed the right choice.
    To this day I often wonder would Gough have gotten in to power if Gorton had still been PM. Probably, as 24yrs was too long and many MPs were becoming lazy.


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  50. I recognise that homosexuals have something wrong with part of their brains; the same applies to depressives, and quite a lot of others.

    It doesn’t follow that they are incapable of rational thought in other respects, and they might well have an affection for traditions. Including rationality.


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  51. I asked what you have ever done for the betterment of the public. What you’ve ever done to try to make the country a better place, or help your fellow man. Anything worth noting?

    You go first, Keith.


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  52. Windows has just updated my laptop and now I can’t seem to retrieve my emails – I use Mozilla Thunderbird with my email account – any ideas, anyone?

    Throw it out, get a Windows 7 emulator on whatever machine you get next.


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  53. Murray, Ngo, Rubin, and the like are as Arky says, decent human beings but not conservatives. Politically, they’re classical liberals. In Oz, I don’t think we’ve actually had a conservative tradition aside from Santamaria, at least in the post-WW2 period. I don’t know enough about the pre-war period to say. We’ve had a tradition that has promoted globalism, free markets, open borders, multiculturalism, etc.


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  54. P says:
    November 29, 2021 at 9:22 pm

    To this day I often wonder would Gough have gotten in to power if Gorton had still been PM. Probably, as 24yrs was too long and many MPs were becoming lazy.

    Gorton voted himself out, he probably viewed McMahon as Abbott viewed Turnbull, and chose to jump ship. McMahon was a hapless leader who lead the Liberals into defeat due to McMahon’s stupidity.

    Why on earth did McMahon not abolish conscription when we were out of Vietnam, and when the 18 year-old’s had the vote.


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  55. Bar Beach Swimmersays:
    November 29, 2021 at 9:19 pm
    Windows has just updated my laptop and now I can’t seem to retrieve my emails – I use Mozilla Thunderbird with my email account – any ideas, anyone?

    I have had endless trouble with the Windows/Thunderbird combination. Now I just use my phone for emails.


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  56. Ed Casesays:
    November 29, 2021 at 9:24 pm
    I asked what you have ever done for the betterment of the public. What you’ve ever done to try to make the country a better place, or help your fellow man. Anything worth noting?

    You go first, Keith.

    So, nothing?


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  57. Lotsa stuff happening today, by the look.

    johanna at 5.18:

    Oh, and to the purists upthread, until you are willing to pay the bills of those who stand to lose everything, suggest that you also STFU.

    By all means, make your own sacrifices. But demanding that others put their families out on the street for your beliefs is reminiscent of the unpleasant ‘revolutionaries’ in the past who never quite went that far themselves.

    An excellent point. It’s almost as if those campaigning the hardest for everyone else to lose their jobs and livelihoods and have the Big Four foreclose on their mortgages are either very comfortable indeed with no requirement to work for an income, or don’t have anything to throw in the bin and burn in the first place.

    Exhibit A – Razey at 6.03:

    Whether you can afford it or not, if you don’t push back you’re a coward and deserve everything you get.

    This, from the punter who not that long ago said he was a bit overwhelmed and just wanted to ‘chill out for a few years’. Either (a) above, or (b) above. I wouldn’t describe unwillingly taking this course of action, against all your ideals so you can feed your children as cowardice. But hey – a little brave internet yappage never hurt, right?

    Someone else then opined that people were getting screechy at the screechers:

    I like the way that capitulators and their enablers have infinitely more RAGE at people who still haven’t taken the jab yet then they do at their oppressors.

    Delta’s brilliant response at 6.57, underlining again that some get caught in the moment and continue to tar all with the same brush, thus creating an unnecessary divide:

    Not vaxxed, never will be.

    You dope.

    Pretty much sums it up.


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  58. Throw it out, get a Windows 7 emulator on whatever machine you get next.

    I’m too lazy to update, consequently still running windows 7.
    I see no reason to upgrade either, everything I need still works fine 🙂


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  59. old bloke

    McMahon was a hapless leader who lead the Liberals into defeat due to McMahon’s stupidity.

    You might even come to call him “Bungles”?


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  60. The men whom the people ought to choose to represent them are too busy to take the jobs. But the politician is waiting for it. He’s the pestilence of modern times. What we should try to do is make politics as local as possible. Keep the politicians near enough to kick them. The villagers who met under the village tree could also hang their politicians to the tree. It’s terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hung today.

    G.K. Chesterson


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  61. Victorian politics:

    From: BRUCE ATKINSON MLC, Member for Eastern Metropolitan Region, Member of the Legislative Council

    I acknowledge and thank you for your email regarding the Public Health and Wellbeing Amendment (Pandemic Management) Bill 2021.

    Consistent with the Andrews Labor Government’s contempt of the Parliament, due process and consultation, debate on the committee stage of the bill did not proceed last sitting week.

    The committee stage allows consideration of amendments to the bill and would last sitting week have included substantive changes proposed by the Liberal and National parties to the Andrews Government’s pandemic laws.

    Just as the Government had rushed through this bill in just 36 hours in the Legislative Assembly with restricted debate, by-passed other formal processes and declared the bill urgent to fasttrack debate and discard damning legal opinions, debate was contemptuously suspended when it became apparent that the bill would be defeated in a final vote.

    I share the views of the literally tens if not hundreds of thousands of Victorians who have expressed concern, if not outrage, about the excessive provisions in the pandemic bill as well as the undue haste with which the Premier has sought to rush it through Parliament to limit public scrutiny.

    The Labor Government is now targeting two of the minor party MPs, Clifford Hayes and Rod Barton, in an attempt to secure their votes for the legislation.

    As you are no doubt aware, the Government negotiated its bill with three minor party MPs over many months; however, there was no discussion with the Liberal Opposition or other crossbench MPs.

    Neither the Government or the three MPs, Fiona Patten, Andy Meddick and Samantha Ratnam, were happy to support this appalling bill until the public protests surged and the prospect of its defeat by all other MPs in the Legislative Council became a reality.

    Yet again, the Government is now trying to do back room deals rather than debate the bill and the amendments that are proposed to curb the excessive powers sought by the Premier and to strengthen effective oversight.

    The Liberal and National parties opposed the legislation in the Legislative Assembly and will propose substantial amendments in the Legislative Council to curtail the excessive powers that the Premier is seeking.

    The bill in some form is expected to come back to the Legislative Council next sitting week. It is unknown what concessions or changes the Government might accept to win the votes of Mr Hayes or Mr Barton.

    We do need legislation to manage a pandemic situation but my Liberal and National party colleagues and I cannot agree to provide such excessive powers to the Premier and Minister for Health whose commission relies on the Premier’s grace.

    Moreover, we cannot agree to the adoption of legislation that so blatantly sidelines the Parliament and fails to provide full transparency and accountability for decisions and actions.

    I would hope that the minor party MPs also remain firm in their resolve, taking note of the overwhelming public opposition to this legislation and to legal opinion.

    This bill does raise issues around our rights and responsibilities as citizens and the democratic principles we value as Victorians. It is a watershed moment in the Parliament.

    I thank you for providing me with your views and I wish you well as we look to move forward after the Covid-19 response which has damaged so many lives and livelihoods.

    I hope the debate on the pandemic laws will be resolved next week but that Victorians will not forget the overreach of this Premier let alone the mounting debt now facing Victoria, the corruption proceedings and the override of council planning powers by the Minister for Planning.

    I would argue that Victoria cannot afford another four years of this Government!

    Yours sincerely

    Hon Bruce Atkinson MLC



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  62. This feels like a trap. At least, that’s what Admiral Ackbar would say.

    From the C-virus Vic site:

    From 6 pm on 25 November, domestic visitors to Victoria will no longer need to get a travel permit to enter the state, regardless of their vaccination status.

    You are not required to quarantine or hold a permit to enter Victoria from another Australian state or territory to visit, work, transit, or if you are a cross-border resident.



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  63. The Falklands War was a disgrace

    Really?

    I’d have thought it a triumph. That a two-carrier force could sail all that way; dislodge a prepared enemy from a land position, while protecting that force from hostile air and sea attacks….

    Militarily, that counts as one of the mightiest victories in the history of warfare. Well done indeed to the British Army, RAF, RN, and Marines.


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  64. I’d have thought it a triumph.

    Well, that’s what you would think, TE. You’re merely a formal RAN officer, who’s fought in hot war/s and an accomplished, globally recognised historian – particularly in the naval field of endeavour.

    Ed October, being a solitary Brisbane shut-in, has you outpointed in every aspect.


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  65. Frank,
    Australians are polyglot.
    Whereas I am a pure blood, a pure blooded Aussie and a pure blooded descendant of Vikings.
    So what if the OED is anachronistic? English evolves. Organisations play Humpty Dumpty with words.
    Some archaic meanings of words are their antonyms now.
    When I say I am a pureblood as I have not been vaxxed, is it incorrect as I have had many vaccinations, inoculations, etc.
    We all know when I say I am unvaxxed it means the current response to the shamdemic.
    Asinine for vaxxies to play the nasty Nazi card. Just buyers remorse.


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  66. The Falklands War was a disgrace

    I think Eduardo de Casa just blew his cover.
    All those years of training & embedding, down the drain.


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  67. To this day I often wonder would Gough have gotten in to power if Gorton had still been PM

    I’ve read speculation as to how Hasluck would have fared, running against Whitlam in 1972.


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  68. Top Ender,
    Quit so. You are probably too young to have meet screaming queen ships stewards with their ribbon up.
    Or maybe not, given what the Services are like these days.


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  69. In The Australian:

    Ask Patricia Karvelas about the perception of a leftist bias within the ABC, and she is quick to defend the editorial rigour of the public broadcaster.
    “The ABC is home to a great diversity of views,” said Karvelas,

    Er.. yeah. The same diversity of views as one finds on Quiggin’s blog, where someone wrote a couple of days ago they go there because “I am glad JQ’s blog isn’t an echo chamber

    The ALPBC has the same diversity of views as is to be found on Quiggin’s blog. (Except Quiggin’s may not be as far to the left)


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  70. Judging by this quote, which cannot be reconciled with any of her on-air or social media comments, The Australian must have accidentally interviewed Patricia Karvelas’ look-alike stunt double or something:

    “My life experience means that I understand that the wider country is really, really different to the inner-cities of Melbourne and Sydney.

    “My job is to be a fierce advocate for the whole country.”



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  71. This one’s for military type Cats. Any constructive comment?

    Way back when, I was taught that bullying and bastardy were the marks of poor leadership, and substandard N.C.O’s.

    ‘Constant belittling’ prompted army private suicide, royal commission hears

    Ben Packham
    Foreign Affairs and Defence Correspondent
    @bennpackham
    An hour ago November 29, 2021

    Daniel Garforth was a “cheeky” class clown at school and “one of life’s little helpers” who loved to fish and catch yabbies and dreamed of ­one day becoming a soldier serving his country.

    But just two years after he joined the army, Private Garforth took his own life, a victim of “endless torment” by his commanders, his mother Nikki Jamieson told the Royal Commission into Defence and Veteran Suicide.

    In its opening day of evidence on Monday, the royal commission heard ­that Defence was blighted by “hazing and bastard­isation” and “archaic” training methods that shattered the mental health of some recruits.

    Ms Jamieson, who is close to completing a PhD in veterans’ mental health, said her son was “incredibly excited” when he was accepted into the army at 19.

    But his mental health declined after he completed basic training, amid “constant belittling and demoralisation” which at one point left him “catatonic”, she said.

    He felt “incredibly betrayed by those who were supposed to protect him”.

    His fitness suffered, and he lived in fear of being ridiculed as a “malingerer”.

    “Fundamentally, Daniel gave everything to the ADF and felt ­incredibly betrayed by his chain of command and abandoned by the ADF,” Ms Jamieson said.

    “Daniel’s chain of command contributed significantly to his decline in mental health and ultimately his death.”

    She said there were “so many lovely words” in Defence policies that should have helped her son – but they were not put into effect.

    Ms Jamieson, whose testimony was the first taste of the criticism Defence is set to face in the long-awaited royal commission, said her son was denied the support he desperately needed, and those responsible should to be held accountable.

    Before he suicided in 2014, he had sought to be discharged from the army.

    But Ms Jamieson said his application was rejected because he failed to complete the necessary paperwork, and he was instead threatened with charges. He was “fearful of going to work”, “on the verge of crying” on multiple occasions, and there were documented examples of bullying and harassment.

    “How much more evidence is required?” Ms Jamieson said.

    “He became very isolated and withdrawn from his friends, his colleagues, and just from his work responsibilities.”

    She quoted from Daniel’s suicide note: “The thing that finally pushed me over the edge was this job, constantly being demoralised and ridiculed. I just could not ­handle it anymore.”

    Ms Jamieson accused Defence of using “archaic training and indoctrination techniques designed for types of war that we no longer have”, and which were no longer appropriate for “contemporary workforce physical and mental health needs”.

    Associate Professor Ben Wadham, a Flinders University sociologist, told the royal commission that military training had a “dark side” that commanders “don’t want to talk about”.

    Associate Professor James Connor, a sociologist from UNSW Canberra, said developing a “band of brothers” camaraderie was key to preparing soldiers who would fight – but building such cohesion between soldiers “also needs someone else to define against”.

    “It is almost certainly the enemy, but it can also be those within a small group who are considered unworthy, or not as valuable, or not as useful to the group. Typically, we see that as the men who are not as stereotypically masculine.”

    He said those who were seen to be “letting down the team” were often targeted with “bastardisation and hazing and abuse to try and fix you up”.

    At the same time, an ethos that “you don’t rat on fellow soldiers” ensured problems of bullying and abuse stayed “in house”.



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  72. Cassie of Sydney says:
    November 29, 2021 at 7:08 pm

    “JCsays:
    November 29, 2021 at 6:43 pm
    The traditional Left Right divide is rarely a useful way to think about things today.

    I believe it’s even starker, but you first, explain why you think that?”

    I’ll try to explain…..here’s an example.
    […]
    To be daily scorned, smeared and ridiculed as “white supremacists, xenophobes, racists, Islamophobes, dumbos, and so on by the middle class scum running Labour. It’s no different here, […]

    Cassie of Sydney says:
    November 29, 2021 at 7:09 pm
    […]
    God to bed slag heap……make sure you clean your dildo before you do.

    Cassie, your charm as hollow as your good will, you’ll always be a bad actor who can’t act, but don’t worry, few will dare tell you, to your face.


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  73. Smart gays are intuitively conservative because they know the only society which tolerates them is a functioning Western democracy. The problem is there are a lot of arse-fucked dumb gays who just want revenge in a pure cognitive dissonant way. My favourite are the gays who support islam.


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  74. “Cassie, your charm as hollow as your good will, you’ll always be a bad actor who can’t act, but don’t worry, few will dare tell you, to your face.”

    I hope you’ve scrubbed your mouldy dildo.


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  75. “Smart gays are intuitively conservative because they know the only society which tolerates them is a functioning Western democracy. “

    I think that men like Dave Rubin, Andy Ngo and Douglas Murray would agree with that.


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  76. Actor and dancer David Gulpilil dies
    David Gulpilil was a proud Yolngu man from Ramingining in Northeast Arnhem Land. Picture: Miles Rowland

    Rhiannon Down
    Reporter
    @rhi_down
    8 minutes ago November 29, 2021

    Legendary actor and dancer David Gulpilil has died, after a film career that spanned 50 years.

    Gulpilil, as he was known on screen instead of his full name David Gulpilil Ridjimiraril Dalaithngu, was born and raised in Arnhem Land in the Northern Territory before starring in some of the nation’s best known films, including Storm Boy, Walkabout and Ten Canoes.

    He was diagnosed with lung cancer in 2017, and received some of the country’s highest honours in his lifetime, including being made a member of the Order of Australia in 1987 and awarded the Australian Centenary Medal in 2001.

    A proud Yolngu man from Ramingining in Northeast Arnhem Land, Gulpilil was cast in his first film part as an unknown in Nicolas Roeg’s 1971 classic Walkabout.

    His performance made him an instant international celebrity and he went on to star in Baz Luhrmann‘s Australia (2008), The Tracker (2002) and Charlie’s Country (2014).

    South Australian Premier Steven Marshall paid tribute to Gulpilil, who lived in Murray Bridge in SA.

    “An actor, a dancer, singer and painter, he was also one of the greatest artists Australia has ever seen,” Mr Marshall said.

    “His breakout role in Walkabout, by British filmmaker Nicolas Roeg 1971, was the first time that many in Australia and internationally had seen an Aboriginal character portrayed on screen.

    “His haunting, moving performance was equal parts devastating as it was electric.”

    Walkabout set a theme for the rest of his acting career, his roles after putting him at the centre of the national conversation about Australia‘s colonial past, and the relationship between its Indigenous and occupier selves.

    “But David Gulpilil’s life was not without its struggles – he encountered racism and discrimination and lived with the pressure of the divide between his traditional lifestyle and his public profile,” Mr Marshall said.



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  77. That pommie chick in walkabout was awesome in her career

    Jenny Agutter – last seen as the long suffering Jane Clark, opposite John Hurt, in “The Alan Clark Diaries.”


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    I have heard some horror tales about the Army theses days. Then again when I joined they cut off all my hair, scrubbed me down with carbolic soap have me a cold bowl of fatty soup and two itchy blankets.
    We used to look after each other. You would get bullied if you wouldn’t do your job. The singing fist of correction was used on the odd occasion if all else failed.
    We used to do things for fun they’d be kicked out for now.We had beer overseas and women if you were game.
    Proper rifles in those days. Dressed for success in the Jungle. None of these Nancy helmets and body armour. How can you fight if you can’t move quickly?
    Anyway by the look of those in Canberra who would want to serve under them? Career focussed arseholes. Troops are not well served by them.
    Now I’m reminiscing I remember the big fight I had with my parents about joining the Army. I didn’t want to go.


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  79. Karvelas’ answers are revealing.
    (Remember, this is in an interview where she is claiming non-bias at the ABC)

    “When Labor runs a scare campaign, I’ll call it out. When the Libs run a campaign that’s based on lies, I’ll call that out too.

    Libs run campaigns based on lies.
    If Labor does the same, it’s just a “scare” campaign.

    Yeah, no bias at all there.
    The “diversity of views” at the ABC would be corridor-hissing between those who support Christine Milne & those who believe Richard di Natale was the better leader.


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  80. Then again when I joined they cut off all my hair, scrubbed me down with carbolic soap have me a cold bowl of fatty soup and two itchy blankets.

    What did you join, the French Foreign Legion?


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  81. What did you join, the French Foreign Legion?

    Er.. what makes you think it was the Foreign Legion? There were two blankets issued, mon ami.


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  82. Just how social media companies will be made to identify users was not explained, nor has a bill been posted that would shed light on how the law would operate

    Remember when Tony Abbott made a regulatory impact statement be prepared for all legislation that was introduced?
    Long time ago.


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  83. Looking at Nina Funnell’s twitter for the first time.
    Now I see why she excluded going after the key ALP promoters of the gag legislation (that gave rise to Grace Tame).
    She just isn’t hard left.
    She’s unhinged.
    She’s writing a book, how is she going to thread that needle?


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  84. DrBeauGansays:
    November 29, 2021 at 9:24 pm
    I recognise that homosexuals have something wrong with part of their brains; the same applies to depressives, and quite a lot of others.

    It doesn’t follow that they are incapable of rational thought in other respects, and they might well have an affection for traditions. Including rationality

    Very sensible and mature 10/10.
    People do a lot things that we don’t understand or are seen as self-destructive. Intervention should only start when it imposes on others anything more leaves an opening to authoritarianism.


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  85. But just two years after he joined the army, Private Garforth took his own life, a victim of “endless torment” by his commanders, his mother Nikki Jamieson told the Royal Commission into Defence and Veteran Suicide.

    If there is one thing we (should have) learned from the pathetic Kovco affair back in 2006, it is that a soldier’s mother is probably not the best person to be taking advice from in regards to his death.

    Ms Jamieson accused Defence of using “archaic training and indoctrination techniques designed for types of war that we no longer have”, and which were no longer appropriate for “contemporary workforce physical and mental health needs”.

    Probably not the best person to take advice from in regards to training methods or future conflicts either. That being said, Ms Jamieson should be happy with current methods of training, because they no longer prepare soldiers for any type of war and are more in line with contemporary (civilian) workforce requirements.


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  86. Given human history, I don’t think that asserting that homosexuals have something wrong with their brain is anything more than an opinion.

    The reality is that while the extent of homosexual behaviour varies with circumstances (e.g. in prisons) there has always been a small but persistent percentage of people – mainly men – who are homosexual no matter what sanctions are applied to them.

    I fail to see how persecuting these people, who have cropped up in every generation and society since history was first recorded, serves any practical or moral purpose.

    There is a big difference between the tiny activist wing and the vast majority, as is the case in society more generally. The rich old Paddington queens I know detest the lefties, have always voted Liberal, and agree that child molesters and kiddie pornographers should be strung up by the balls.

    I was reading about Alan Turing recently – the mathematical whiz who was singularly instrumental in cracking the Enigma code in WWII. Poor chap was a poove, was busted being one after the war, and publicly disgraced. Put on some sort of hormonal cocktail that was supposed to curb his urges. He committed suicide not long afterwards.

    Of course hardly any pooves are Alan Turing, but it highlights how even a patriot like him was treated, and would be if some of the commenters here had their way.

    Dare I mention that anal sex is not exclusive to male homosexuals? Female prostitutes who are prepared to have it on the menu get plenty of business.


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  87. FFS Jupes, I am talking about old queens who have lived there for 50 years, and have always voted Liberal. From back to the start of the Gay Liberation Movement.

    Stop applying today’s rules to past behaviour.


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  88. omicron scary enough

    Rosie – All this stuff would be a great psych experiment if it wasn’t so annoying. On Friday the markets crashed because scary Omicron. Now I wake this morning to this WSJ headline…

    Stocks Rise as Investors Shrug Off Omicron Worries

    It’s like watching sheep flee in terror from some imagined danger from one side of a field to the other, only to right flee back again a day later.


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  89. I bet you the Portuguese football team got routine tests because travel and no-one is actually sick.
    Portugal gets the world first local transmission award though.


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  90. That being said, Ms Jamieson should be happy with current methods of training, because they no longer prepare soldiers for any type of war and are more in line with contemporary (civilian) workforce requirements.

    Agreed. I was going to say, if he wasn’t suited for the modern training establishment, he was most certainly not suited to the battlefield.

    The failing, if there was one, was that he wasn’t identified and removed in a timely manner. Perhaps the system is now so soft that that’s not allowed either.

    The less honest, and more grandiose, the recruitment ads are, the more of these disillusioned recruits you end up with. This might be such a case. The yellow cards, and such, that are in play in training establishments today, led me to suspect that he might have been highly unsuited to this vocation. Yes, there are bastards in training establishments (as there are everywhere), but the oversight nowadays is incredibly intense compared to there days where we were forced to block sword thrusts with hard cover note books. His options were many, and he couldn’t just be ignored. The story has more to it, I’m sure.

    The reality is, not matter how hard the training course is (and I include the SASR selection course in this), it’s doesn’t compare to the battlefield. These courses are designed to assess that you have a chance of surviving it, not a guarantee that you can. People should be thankful for strenuous training…it saves lives.

    I despise bullying (and, yes, I’ve seen my share of it), but my experience has shown me ample times that claims of bullying is often the last refuge of the non-hacker who wants to save face with his/her family. “I didn’t have the mental resolve”, is not something that 19-20 year old men fess up to their parents, on arriving back on their doorstep.


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  91. “She just isn’t hard left.
    She’s unhinged.”

    Yes…but this ghastly woman has the ears of government…including many in the coalition. Credlin like to give this creature a platform too.


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  92. Why on earth did McMahon not abolish conscription when we were out of Vietnam, and when the 18 year-old’s had the vote.

    Possibly because 18 year olds didn’t get the vote until the 1974 Election?

    Gorton was an unknown Senator, why they put him forward is a mystery.
    The Country Party Leader objected to McMahon, so Gorton was only ever a stopgap until they could get rid of McEwen.
    Once that was achieved, McMahon went on to bring our troops home.
    If he’d taken over in 1968 he might have done that earlier.


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  93. This, from the punter who not that long ago said he was a bit overwhelmed and just wanted to ‘chill out for a few years’

    If the idiocracy is going to force you out of employment despite all your efforts to defeat their stupidity, then why the fuck not just chill?

    I’m considering doing the same if I get booted out of the workforce, I hope they fucking miss the 100k+ a year that I pay in tax. They can get fucked.


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  94. Gulpilil was a charismatic actor and otherwise talented.

    RIP.

    But, the eulogies omit large periods of his life where he was a drunk who often slept where he fell. He did well to live as long as he did. Or perhaps, Western medicine did well.

    If David’s other story is ever told, no doubt it will be framed as Whitey Ripping Him Off.

    Sigh.


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  95. feelthebernsays:
    November 30, 2021 at 4:57 am
    Just how social media companies will be made to identify users was not explained, nor has a bill been posted that would shed light on how the law would operate

    Refer to the digital identity legislation before Parliament currently.

    You’ll have to “Prove Your Identity” to Facebook, Twatter, Gmail, Newcat, etc so they can “out” you.

    Wheels within wheels.


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  96. I’m hearing that Rob Barton (Crossbencher) may have given his vote to the Pandemic Bill.

    I knew Dan would get his way. He only needed to get one of them, and he appears to have a bottomless bucket from which to produce tribute.

    History will not be kind.


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  97. “Just how social media companies will be made to identify users was not explained, nor has a bill been posted that would shed light on how the law would operate”

    I’m intrigued by this as well. And I wonder how such legislation will impact a blog like Catallaxy.

    I also think that this proposed new legislation, if enacted, will simply be another weapon for those on the left to go after and silence those on right.

    I want less laws…not more laws.


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  98. Ad on Gumtree

    Used and damaged solar panels FREE
    all on pallets, must be taken by the pallet load approx 50 panels
    Can be loaded by forklift
    Pick up only Geebung
    7am-11.30am weekdays

    Bargain!


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  99. jupes:

    If there is one thing we (should have) learned from the pathetic Kovco affair back in 2006, it is that a soldier’s mother is probably not the best person to be taking advice from in regards to his death.

    Correct.

    Mater:

    His options were many, and he couldn’t just be ignored. The story has more to it, I’m sure.

    And:

    “I didn’t have the mental resolve”, is not something that 19-20 year old men fess up to their parents, on arriving back on their doorstep.

    Also correct. Using the current norm that ‘bullying’ is now defined in its corporate sense, ie ‘somehow making me do what I am paid for’, the inevitable result is that anyone who either can’t or won’t fulfil mandatory requirements is suddenly a terrible victim of The Machine.


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  100. Re Gulpilil.

    Yes, a wonderful actor. He epitomised so much that characterised the cheekiness, natural elegance and absolute connection with this land. Many may contest this characterisation pointing out the effects of the battle with the booze that afflicts so many of our Aborigines, & disfigures so much of those attributes.

    But I will always remember him at his best. Most recently, late at night I happened upon a movie on TV in which he starred called “Charlie’s Country”.It was directed, I think, by the same director who who produced that amazing movie “Samson & Delilah”. It was a wonderful venture between a great actor & a great director who totally understands the sad reality of the contemporary Aboriginal man living a life that can never be a recreation of the past. Indeed, the movie I believe was based on Gulpilil’s own life., the director having found him in a Darwin gaol.

    I will always particularly recall the beauty of his dancing and his immersion in the tales of this land beyond the towns and cities.


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  101. Rachel Baxendale in the Oz (filed half an hour ago):

    The Andrews government has agreed to significant changes to its controversial pandemic bill at the eleventh hour, securing a deal which will see the legislation pass state parliament later this week.

    Transport Matters Party MP Rod Barton will vote in favour of the bill, following 10 days of negotiations with the government which have resulted in them agreeing to six amendments.

    The amendments include allowing the Ombudsman more oversight of orders made under the legislation, and the establishment of a parliamentary review committee with a minority of government members and a non-government chair and deputy chair.

    It will have the power to recommend against pandemic orders, but this would be done through a disallowance motion that would then be required to pass both houses of parliament.

    An independent detention appeal panel will also be set up, with the Ombudsman able to receive complaints regarding detention.

    All aggravated offences, for which individuals were to be fined up to $45,435 and businesses up to $90,870, have been removed from the bill.

    The government had been in a mad scramble to secure the vote of an extra crossbencher for almost a fortnight, after former Labor powerbroker Adem Somyurek revealed he would vote against the bill.

    The current state of emergency expires on December 15, with debate on the bill now expected to resume on Tuesday ahead of parliament rising until 2022 at the end of this week.

    Having already secured the votes of Reason Party MP Fiona Patten, Animal Justice Party MP Andy Meddick and Greens leader Samantha Ratnam, the government needed one more of the 13 crossbenchers to vote in favour of the bill.

    Along with Mr Barton, Sustainable Australia Party MP Clifford Hayes had been seen as one of the government’s best hopes of getting the bill passed, but he was still indicating on Monday that more needed to be done to secure his vote.

    “I understand the need for some kind of pandemic framework but if we do not achieve a result that withstands expert and community scrutiny, I will not hesitate to vote against the bill,” Mr Hayes said.

    Groups including the Ombudsman, Law Council, Victorian Bar, Liberty Victoria and the Equal Opportunity and Human Rights Commission have raised issues with the bill, including its lack of a sunset clause, and the fact it would allow a person to be detained without charge for an indefinite period, without the right of appeal to a court — a situation Mr Barton’s amendments seek to remedy.

    Senior Andrews government minister Jacinta Allan said negotiations with crossbenchers were continuing, “and are likely to continue for the next couple of days”, citing the emergence of the Omicron variant of Covid as a reason the legislation was needed “more than ever”.

    Opposition Leader Matthew Guy accused the government of using Omicron as an excuse to “peddle the politics of fear”, but said Coalition MPs would attend parliament if the government scheduled an extra sitting week to get its legislation passed.

    “If I need to be at parliament, I’ll make sure we’re all at parliament,” he said. “This shouldn’t be going on for this long. The government either puts this bill to a vote, yes or no; if it passes, it passes, if it doesn’t, it doesn’t. But stop with the uncertainty. You endanger our state’s economic recovery if we keep talking about states of emergency and pandemic bills.”

    Link.


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  102. An independent detention appeal panel will also be set up, with the Ombudsman able to receive complaints regarding detention.

    We already have those, they’re called courts with judges.


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  103. Don Surber seems grumpy today, which has led to some quite fun prose.

    Media: The truth is what we say it is (29 Nov)

    The topic is Jack Dorsey stepping down as CEO of Twitter, but Surber has his gatling gun out and the barrels are red hot. I like this para especially:

    Colin Kaepernick is the biggest conformist on Earth. It made him rich. His intellectual forebear was the guy who voted to replace the German flag with the swastika. Red China flattered Kaepernick by canceling the Betsy Ross Flag shoe after he complained. Nike patted him on the head and gave him a doggy treat.

    Oh dear. Ouch! Much more such goodness in the rest of the column.


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  104. Gulpilil was a charismatic actor and otherwise talented.

    David Gulpilil was a violent drunken countryman who never took it up to other men. Always women. Always.

    A prolific public domestic violence offender (a real one, not a ‘bullying’ one), he was often seen on Darwin streets because his home community of Ramingining didn’t have access to the mountains of piss that he wanted. Always loudly and publicly getting locked up for being shitfaced and screaming at whitey in the street when he wasn’t flogging female members of his extended family for not idolising him enough, ie buying him more piss.

    Every time he was brought before the courts for one of the said floggings, the mouthpieces went to work. One of the great indig names in Australian film, they said. Fell in with others from his own skin group, they said. He was trying to help, they said. Every time he got the kindest possible sentence, and that’s saying something.

    Plenty of photos of Gulpilil going around. Not so many of his female rellos, and with good reason. They’re covered in scars from Gulpilil and his traditional knives. One’s been blinded and another one’s missing an ear.

    No loss.


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  105. KD, you broke the dam.
    Not a pleasant fellow.
    Especially to other indigenous actors who he viewed a potential threats.
    Statements from some of his peers will be made through gritted teeth.


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  106. Transport Matters Party MP Rod Barton will vote in favour of the bill, following 10 days of negotiations with the government which have resulted in them agreeing to six amendments.

    Another bastard prepared to sell his soul. Another bastard who needs to be voted into oblivion at the next State Election – if we have one!


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  107. The best thing a civilised society can do is get rid of saying nice things about people when they die.
    A funeral I was about a decade ago, son of the deceased started off with “he was a sour old prick & he owed a lot of you here money”.
    That blew out the cobwebs.


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  108. Well, haven’t I been schooled in the Power of Propaganda! And aren’t families fun!

    Back for another lesson today at the pub.

    Everything was going just dandy until I mentioned natural immunity. 😀


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  109. “I understand the need for some kind of pandemic framework but if we do not achieve a result that withstands expert and community scrutiny, I will not hesitate to vote against the bill,” Mr Hayes said.

    They managed to do this to us for nearly two years…and they need more power?

    Fuckhead!


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  110. Used and damaged solar panels FREE

    Bargain!

    Actually, Baba, it probably is. There’s an ounce of silver in each panel, plus quite a lot of aluminium and some copper. An enterprising scrappy could do well disassembling them for the metal content, then popping the glass and silicon bits in a pile somewhere.


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  111. ““If I need to be at parliament, I’ll make sure we’re all at parliament,””

    Oh such stern fluffy righteousness from Groundhog Day, pity he doesn’t show the same fortitude with the MSM and government when asked about the protest marches. He could say to the MSM…..

    “I I need to be at the protests, I’ll make sure we’re all at the protests.”

    Victorians deserve better….so much better.


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  112. The best thing a civilised society can do is get rid of saying nice things about people when they die.
    A funeral I was about a decade ago, son of the deceased started off with “he was a sour old prick & he owed a lot of you here money”.

    I witnessed the son of the deceased stand up in the middle of the tongue bathing eulogies, and walk out of the funeral saying, “Fuck this bullshit!”.

    He had good reason. It was the most honest part of the funeral service.


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  113. KD, you broke the dam.

    Look, I liked Storm Boy. Saw it at school. ‘Don’t die, Mr Percival, don’t die!’

    But the fact remains that there are quite a few indig women that wouldn’t have had their lives irrevocably altered for the worse by permanent injury and disfigurement had it been Gulpilil that died on that beach, and not the pelican.

    He wasn’t wonderful in a mystical sort of way, showing ‘traditional Australia’ to sheltered souls. The script was not who he was. It was fake. An act. Because he was an actor.


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  114. KD, you broke the dam.
    Not a pleasant fellow.

    Caravaggio. You can like the paintings and regret the personal life. I prefer this day to consider David Gulpilil’s art.


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  115. Knuggle Dragger.

    We all know you are right about the worst about Gulpilil. It is the saga of the contemporary Aborigine – indeed, it is the saga of the ancient Aboriginal man. Anyone who has read widely of early accounts of Aboriginal groups, and/or anthropological studies, will know that violence against women was endemic and horrific. It is useless and stupid not to acknowledge that. Nothing has changed, and indeed, it has been exacerbated by alcohol and a life in artificial and aimless communities.

    But, as I have said, if we can discern the best, the iconic, in this man, we are celebrating something special that transcends the frailties of us all.


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  116. Cassie of Sydneysays:
    November 29, 2021 at 11:24 pm
    ““The ABC is home to a great diversity of views,” said Karvelas,”

    Sure it is Pat…..sure it is.

    It is incredibly diverse. Everything from far left, through extreme left, to Green environmental fascism and communism, is covered, in loving detail, each and every day.


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  117. Discussing the entire sh*tshow with a PhD (medical discipline) and a Pharma chemist was interesting, though. It went from the virus origin, through the readymade MRna platform, delivery and the politics of jab mandates.

    To which I listened politely and made appropriate noises to ensure they knew I understood the more technical aspects. And then it all went downhill.

    I mentioned the Curious Case of the Diamond Princess and rickw’s inability to create a positive PCR. Blank looks.

    Parting shot brought the heady technical discussion back to a carcrash of authoritarianism – just get vaccinated and wear your mask. 😀

    Round One – Calli


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  118. You go first, Keith.

    I thought you’d say that. Well Ed, if you do come up with anything notable, please let me know. Even any brave attempts. Better to have tried and failed, then never tried at all.


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  119. My wake hopefully will be at Cabarita. My Nan’s rum balls will be served. My ashes are to be dumped into the Tweed River.

    Whoever is first to drink a VB throwdown and smoke a Winnie red off one breath gets my collection of Glen figurines – managers, principals, accountants & business owners.

    My estate solicitor will be there with a beer bong to see everything is done to the letter of the law.


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  120. “Knuckle Draggersays:
    November 30, 2021 at 7:46 am”

    Two years ago CPAC, the inspiring Jacinta Price spoke movingly about her own personal experience with violence. It was shattering.

    As she said, contemporary indigenous communities are riddled with violence and particularly violence against women just like traditional indigenous society was (predating the arrival of awful white people) where violence against women was endemic and was entrenched in tribal law.

    The problem with the left is that they excuse anything that doesn’t fit squarely into their simplistic Roussian view of the world. They do this with Islam and they do this with indigenous cultures. It all stems from their loathing of European Christian civilization…..so the left will end up justifying the grotesque and the depraved. What offends me most is that they do this with their eyes wide open.


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  121. Lovely morning.
    Cash, bang, Bang, bang, bang.
    “DOOF DOOF DOOF DOOF wahhh, wahhhh,wahhh,wahh”.
    Went to the building site next door.
    Three jerks loading scaffolding.
    Smiling “You guys are just the scaffolders, right”?
    Smiling “Yeah”.
    Flick to penis mode “So I wont have to listen to this ridiculous shit all day”.
    Drops smile “No”,
    His mate “Grumble mutter mutter grumpy old prick”.
    “You got that right”.
    “Mutter mutter” looks at ground
    As I walk off “ Get the fuck out of here you old c***”.
    “Come here and call me a c*** again”.
    Nothing.
    Lovely morning.


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  122. But, as I have said, if we can discern the best, the iconic, in this man, we are celebrating something special that transcends the frailties of us all.

    Vicki – no, and I don’t care how good an actor he was. Even then, he was only comparatively good. Aaron Pedersen, that bern mentioned above is ten times better and twenty as versatile.

    Gulpilil did nothing that transcended our frailties. I have seen the results of his horrific acts to women who in any righteous family group he was supposed to protect. What he was portrayed as by an industry desperate to promote itself and equally desperate for both credibility and cash was not who he was.

    He was no role model, except for others aspiring to flog the women in their lives multiple times on a daily basis. All these were his choices. Nobody compelled him to slice his wives or fracture the skulls of his nieces and female cousins. He was never, ever brave enough to take his fellow men on, and known for that ugly trait.

    Like I said. No loss.


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  123. Going to get another test, fingers crossed!

    Rick,
    They’ve revoked the exemption for those that have got Covid.

    Was speaking to Medical professionals on the weekend about it. If you are not sick as a dog, injections will continue inline with the grand plan.


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  124. Thanks Rickw for the P-40 Warhawk Allison engine vs. Merlin – lots of great pictures and computer graphics…

    I wonder if the steadily improving performance of the P-40 against the Zero was not just related to improved tactics (don’t get into a turning fight) but also the little mentioned ratcheting up of manifold boost pressure which in turn would improve the vertical flight performance.


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  125. They’ve revoked the exemption for those that have got Covid.

    FMD. In the que now. So this is just an academic experiment.

    We now really know that science is nothing to do with this, they want that shit in your veins no matter what.


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  126. I have heard some horror tales about the Army theses days.

    I would think that mandatory injection of fit young men with a dangerous drug that they don’t need is a worse abuse – backed up by the serving member who told me there were 6 cases of post vax myocarditis at Edinburgh that he knew about.

    I gave my intent to speak out publicly against that, plus the inexcusable use of our own military to do internal policing on citizens who are not even sick in the name of ‘public health’ as the reason for me offering my resignation ‘effective immediately’ from the RAAF last week.

    They sent me my discharge papers by return email.


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  127. Greg’s Airplanes, analysis of performance of P-40 Allison and Merlin engined variants with a shout out to the RAAF for running very high manifold boost pressures on the Allison’s without breaking anything. (TE, worth a look!)

    Second that, great channel that I have watched for a while


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  128. Truck just drove off. Ahhhh. Silence.
    Beautiful silence.
    Time check. 8.22.
    So these arse clowns mode of operation is to arrive at a quiet suburban building site, set up a loud stereo to blast Doof Doof stupidity at high volume for 1 hour and 20 minutes of work, then piss off.
    They can’t do an hour of simple work without their ridiculous non-music.
    Clowns.


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  129. rickw says:
    November 30, 2021 at 8:21 am

    They’ve revoked the exemption for those that have got Covid.

    FMD. In the que now. So this is just an academic experiment.

    No. Dan can’t have infected people gaining freedom through the back door. Totally in character for the vindictive blight*.

    * My personal opinion, should ScoMo’s bill pass and anyone wants to come for me.


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  130. And….I discovered yet again that the “biggest brains” * can fall for the most stupid of arguments.

    An example – equating Whooping Cough to Covid, and the request to be vaxxed before contact with newborns. Perhaps that’s a more pressing issue in this part of the world, being Hippy Central, so it was the first cab off the rank.

    Pity they chose this particular one as it was going nowhere.

    But it gave me an insight into where we are now.

    * and even though they are in the “industry” they knew nothing of the attempted cancelling of Nick Coatsworth


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  131. So is this omicron strain more or less contagious, and more or less virulent, than previous strains?

    I know there will be a lot of rumour swirling around this, and once reliable institutions spent some of the credibility coin to help sell transient political imperatives that have proven to be poor investments with no return.

    The CDC comes to mind.

    But what is the word…


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  132. Oh and what happened to ‘Got a problem? Go to a magistrate and get a warrant to obtain what you need through a search!’?

    This new bill is like everyone leaving a set of house keys at the police station in case they ever need to search your house.


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  133. I mentioned the Curious Case of the Diamond Princess and rickw’s inability to create a positive PCR. Blank looks.

    100% correct, the Diamond Princess was a natural experiment run early on which told us exactly how bad COVID was going to be, Apologies for length, but I paste one of my monologues on it below.

    A good example of the 80% rule was the ‘Diamond Princess’ cruise ship which was quarantined due to COVID for about 5 weeks from Feb 2020 with 3711 people aboard (2666 passengers – mainly elderly – cruise ships are pretty much floating nursing homes – and 1045 crew). During this time, corona virus spread throughout the ship (probably via aerosols in the ventilation) and 712 people became ill (712/3711 = 19%) – why didn’t the other 81%? They were breathing the same air – I believe it was because 81% of those exposed defeated the virus without becoming ill. Ultimately 13 passengers and no crew died (13/712 = a case fatality rate of 1.8% btw), in a vulnerable elderly group locked up in a petri dish for 5 weeks – even way back then, when we knew nothing of therapeutics!! – Assuming all 3711 were exposed and dividing by that number gives you an overall population fatality rate of 0.3% (it is even lower now), and for that, they shut the world down for the last 18 months!.

    More importantly – many of these 80% never needed to build antibodies – their nonspecific defences stopped the virus at the door – this is important if testing for the presence of antibodies is used to determine whether you have had previous exposure to COVID – because a great % of the population can be immune yet antibody negative.


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  134. So is this omicron strain more or less contagious, and more or less virulent, than previous strains?

    Doesn’t matter. The story already has a neat frame.

    On Sunrise, the chiron screams:

    Developing Story – Omicron Threat

    Christmas may be cooked.


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  135. Seems to me many oppose ‘these vaccines’ rather vehemently, if many of the posts on this site are any indication, as well as denying even the possibility there are many people who are voluntarily, willingly, vaccinated who nevertheless oppose lockdowns, passports and mandates.
    But if you want to treat the vaccinated as the enemy, have at it.

    Crikey Moses.

    “I’m fully compliant and on board and I’m the victim!”


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  136. There’s an ounce of silver in each panel

    Maybe I should get them all and stack them in the backyard? I can ditch all the glass in the council bin over time.


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  137. The mother of that young bloke who suicided while a member of the ADF has said her son was ‘bullied’ for repeatedly having unpolished shoes.

    No words.


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  138. Status Update:

    Little Bloke: Positive – 99% ok.
    Missus: Positive – (vaxxed). Lung situation getting worse, discussing with Doctor next steps.
    Me: Negative – (unvaxxed). 100%, continuing with vitamins and ivermectin.


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  139. So is this omicron strain more or less contagious, and more or less virulent, than previous strains?

    It will be more infectious but less dangerous than the variant it replaces if it follows the natural evolutionary path of viruses, for that is the recipe for a ‘fitter variant’. – the ‘fittest’ virus being the sneaky bugger that manages to infect everyone without making them the slightest bit sick.

    The risk, however, is that our mass vax programme will ‘Marek’ it, making a more dangerous variant win the evolutionary battle by masking that – but in the vaxxed only. This is a huge risk and will likely happen at some point – this is another reason to get natural covid asap – before it does that.


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  140. They sent me my discharge papers by return email. All class.

    Yep, and in the modern equivalent of the security guard marching you out of the building with your stapler and rolodex in a box, they cancelled my security clearance and de activated my ID card immediately.

    I cant recall ANY previous time the military moved so fast in an adminstrative capacity.


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  141. Wifes uncle a month ago set out what he wanted in his own eulogy. The truth. Said he’d been to too many funerals not knowing the person described. Not for him. 3 weeks ago diagnosed with cancer, died last week. He was one of lifes gentlemen, never had a bad word to say about anyone, he said what they did then would say, “I wouldn’t have done that”. Watched the funeral on wechat. It definitely was him they spoke about.


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  142. So is this omicron strain more or less contagious, and more or less virulent, than previous strains?

    ML – It appears from the South African medical peoples’ comments to be more contagious and less harmful.

    Dr. Angelique Coetzee, chairwoman of the South African Medical Association, affirmed Monday that while the omicron variant appears to spread more quickly than earlier strains, its symptoms appear to be less severe, meaning the new strain – while more infectious – might also prove less deadly than the delta strain, which is the most dominant COVID strain on the planet right now.

    Omicron patients’ symptoms were “so different and so mild from those I had treated before.”

    Patients infected with the new strain appear to be suffering more from fatigue, head and body aches and occasional sore throats and coughs. They also don’t exhibit symptoms like loss of taste and smell, like patients infected with delta and other variants have seen.

    Others like the Israelis are saying that “have not found any severe COVID-19 cases among vaccinated people infected with the Omicron variant.” I suspect that also means very few unvaccinated people will have severe cases either, but of course no one is going to say that out loud where a health nazi might be listening.


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