Open Thread – Mon 29 Nov 2021


The Fall of Phaeton, Peter Paul Rubens, 1604

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Roger
Roger
November 29, 2021 5:37 pm

Kamala has shown signs of refusing to go out without a lot of fuss also…

Surely not!

Cackle.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 29, 2021 5:38 pm

Saturday paper, Sunday paper, next Toilet paper. The previous papers can be used in loo (ha) of toilet paper.

Old bloke
Old bloke
November 29, 2021 5:39 pm

Bruce of Newcastle says:
November 29, 2021 at 5:23 pm

Thanks Bruce, I understand that, but consuming something through eating or drinking is different surely to having it injected into your bloodstream.

I’ve heard of cases of people swallowing deadly snake’s venom and surviving, but they wouldn’t have survived if the snake injected it into their blood.

Zatara
Zatara
November 29, 2021 5:41 pm

JC

Assuming it got that far, and that’s a huge assumption, she would never get past the Senate. The two sides are evenly matched there and the tie breaker is the VP, but there wouldn’t be a VP so it is a stalemate at best.

Further, Clinton has a large amount of vengeful enemies on both sides of the aisle. She burned up a massive amount of Dem goodwill when she ran for Pres. Such as screwing Bernie Sanders for the nomination. I just can’t imagine Bernie voting yes for her to become the de facto President.

Not getting it done before the mid-terms will make it absolutely impossible.

JC
JC
November 29, 2021 5:41 pm

The only barrier is that the Dems don’t quite control the Senate,

We’re heading for three strikes.

Unless there is a rule preventing “Kampala “from unlocking the 50/50 split (and there very likely isn’t) then the Demons actually do have a majorities with her vote breaking deadlock. I very much doubt the constitution wouldn’t allow her to break the 50/50 split in this specific area as it’s too arcane.

Roger
Roger
November 29, 2021 5:43 pm

err… how does Palestine communities feature in the history of Australian colonialism?

Mmm…we played a not insignificant role in the fall of the Ottoman empire, there is that.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
November 29, 2021 5:43 pm

Any future POTUS candidate must undertake a complex ceremony which includes the now traditional ‘Ascension of the Stairs’ ceremony. Points are awarded for complexity of falling upwards.

Other ceremonies include the Cellar Hiding. Points awarded for how long a candidate can avoid press conferences , scrutiny or any voter interaction

The finale being the mastering of eating an ice cream and regaling a story about the thing with the guy and ….you know. .. corn pop …hairy legs.

Frank
Frank
November 29, 2021 5:44 pm

I just can’t imagine Bernie voting yes for her to become the de facto President.

Bernie would if the cheque was big enough, like the last two times.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
November 29, 2021 5:45 pm

To the Householder, return to sender, gone no address. If it was meant for me it would have had Professor GreyRanga in the title.

JC
JC
November 29, 2021 5:45 pm

The two sides are evenly matched there and the tie breaker is the VP, but there wouldn’t be a VP so it is a stalemate at best.

Zat, that’s an assumption we can’t make. It’s not like Kampala is dead and we’re talking about the Demonrats so they would do anything that’s possible in order to improve their position. It’s not like they don’t.

Kampala wouldn’t resign and she would be still VP as she is voting for her replacement. I’m pretty sure this would be allowed. It’s out there, but is there anything constitutionally that would prevent this? I don’t think so.

srr
srr
November 29, 2021 5:46 pm

Vicki says:
November 29, 2021 at 4:20 pm
[…]
I don’t know where it goes from here. I know most people who arrive at this point think we are doomed to an Orwellian future. I just don’t know.

Orwell was an atheist.

Don’t be an Orwellian.

Roger
Roger
November 29, 2021 5:48 pm

Lordy, I just saw a poll that ranks Jimmy Carter as the most popular living Democrat politician among Americans.

Obama second.

Doesn’t say much for Barry’s legacy.

Muz
Muz
November 29, 2021 5:48 pm

It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged.
Chesterton.
Said this conversationally to my (soft-hearted) sister, she raised her spear and shield – her sons are young. Yet if you quote Chesterton to a politician they want to charge you with a hate crime.

There’s a thoughtfully curated twitter account @GKCDaily, my god he was a good man.

Razey
Razey
November 29, 2021 5:50 pm

Vicki says:
November 29, 2021 at 4:20 pm
[…]
I don’t know where it goes from here. I know most people who arrive at this point think we are doomed to an Orwellian future. I just don’t know.

Orwell was an atheist.

Don’t be an Orwellian.

Just like vaxtards, only when it’s too late will they realise 😉

JC
JC
November 29, 2021 5:52 pm

It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged.

The most perfect sentence to begin a post I’ve ever read. 🙂

struth
struth
November 29, 2021 5:52 pm

Well, a punter with a mortgage and a family to feed right now (not just at that time in the mists of the future when the “digital universal wage” (?) eventuates might not see things the same way.

This constant hectoring and slandering of people whose circumstances you cannot possibly know just drives potential supporters away.

Are you offering to pay their bills when they get the sack? If not, suggest you STFU. There are many, many people who are only a paycheque or two away from losing their homes. Calling them names is not only unconstructive, it is kicking the most vulnerable when they are already just hanging in there.

Suggest you stick to berating the perps, and lay off the victims. To do otherwise is just plain bullying.

This is why they should never have been given the vote.
Women have never started a civilisation, ran one or had to defend one before in History.
Yet they now vote and mouth off like this.
The fact remains you old loudmouth, if no one had capitulated, we would now be free.
You worrying stupidly about your job when not understanding that by complying to this bullshit, not only will you lose everything up to and including your life, but you’ll be putting others in concentration camps etc.
That is why I got so angry at the start and remain so.
The squealing of the Karens meant capitulation was inevitable.
We all go to our graves.
I’m going to mine knowing I didn’t do anyone else harm by submitting to tyranny.
And if all had not submitted no one would have lost their jobs at all and we wouldn’t be staring into the abyss now.
That’s just a fact.
You kept your job for 6 months or so, and in doing so , chucked others in the concentration camps and helped bring on a digital tyrannical nightmare where you’d wished you hadn’t submitted.

I make these points that are obvious to anyone with the slightest grasp of history and isn’t an emotional f/wit like Joanna here.
So in essence, I was talking to the men.
Oh, I’m not looking for supporters here Joanna.
I’m just putting a point of view out there.
Like it or lump it.

You saved your job, but you lost your freedom, your nation, your wealth and all else in doingfso, and most likely your life from these poisons.
I’m well aware some desperate to see dying relatives may have had to submit, for various emergencies, but all in all, a healthy, male dominated society would have seen 80 plus percent of people disobey and the men would have been on the war path immediately.
But an emasculated nation are we.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 29, 2021 5:53 pm

Fair Shake – Hillary has the falling up stairs thing nailed. She reached that unlock long before Joe. Some say the chardonnay helped. She’s also quite good at hiding from voters.

rickw
rickw
November 29, 2021 5:56 pm

I missed the earlier post, but is that 7.62 x 54R ?

We talking about Mosin Nagants?!!

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
November 29, 2021 5:56 pm

More Omicron cases.
Go you good thing!
The virus that laid premiers low.

Delta A
Delta A
November 29, 2021 5:57 pm

Oh, and to the purists upthread, until you are willing to pay the bills of those who stand to lose everything, suggest that you also STFU.

It’s not only jobs/income/house /everything that is at risk, in many instances it is emotional support from friends and family, as has been illustrated almost daily on the Cat.

But still the armchair warriors call for more. Fine, if you’re in a position to offer more; if you are reasonably self-sufficient, or your family and friends are of like mind. But these warriors push to divide society and break families, in very best Marxist style.

Mater
November 29, 2021 5:58 pm

Mater
Seems to me many oppose ‘these vaccines’ rather vehemently, if many of the posts on this site are any indication, as well as denying even the possibility there are many people who are voluntarily, willingly, vaccinated who nevertheless oppose lockdowns, passports and mandates.
But if you want to treat the vaccinated as the enemy, have at it.

Sorry,
Was that addressed to me, or an attempt to explain what you believe my position to be?

Frank
Frank
November 29, 2021 5:59 pm

Women have never started a civilisation, ran one or had to defend one before in History.

Golda Meir and Maggie Thatcher might beg to differ on the defence thing.

Cassie of Sydney
November 29, 2021 5:59 pm

George Orwell was not an atheist. He was agnostic. And even if he was an atheist….so what. The man was a prophet.

rickw
rickw
November 29, 2021 6:00 pm

The virus that laid premiers low.

Don’t count stupidity beaten just yet!

JC
JC
November 29, 2021 6:02 pm

Take it for what it’s worth, but I just heard from a pal whose rel is a well know virologist and currently working in this area at a high level.

Perhaps, we should be okay if government’s don’t freaking panic. The hunch is..

There’s no data but severity may be less and the contagion rate could be higher.

Perhaps this how the Spanish flu petered out too. Shocking, but we don;t know for certain.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 29, 2021 6:03 pm

Golda Meir and Maggie Thatcher might beg to differ on the defence thing.

Be interesting to see how this turns out:

Internet Trolls Attack Actress Helen Mirren for Playing Israeli Leader Golda Meir in Upcoming Film (27 Nov)

I hope she stays the course since Ms Mirren is a fine actress with a toughness that should suit for Golda Meir.

Razey
Razey
November 29, 2021 6:03 pm

Delta Asays:
November 29, 2021 at 5:57 pm
Oh, and to the purists upthread, until you are willing to pay the bills of those who stand to lose everything, suggest that you also STFU.

It’s not only jobs/income/house /everything that is at risk, in many instances it is emotional support from friends and family, as has been illustrated almost daily on the Cat.

But still the armchair warriors call for more. Fine, if you’re in a position to offer more; if you are reasonably self-sufficient, or your family and friends are of like mind. But these warriors push to divide society and break families, in very best Marxist style.

Whether you can afford it or not, if you don’t push back you’re a coward and deserve everything you get.

Appeasing Hitler, while the Germans had a few good years, failed miserably.

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 29, 2021 6:03 pm

The federal government owned power stations?
Apart from the Snowy project, who knew.

The Brisbane City Council used to own Power Stations and Gasworks.
When the State built bigger Power Stations that made Murrarie and Tennyson redundant, the BCC became the middleman that kept Brisbane prices sane.

Bjelke Petersen ended that in 1977.
When people tell you Joh was no fucking good, they’re right, but not [usually] for the reasons they think.

bespoke
bespoke
November 29, 2021 6:03 pm

Oh Posidon!

rickw
rickw
November 29, 2021 6:04 pm

Had a visit from some Government people checking up on us. The requirement is that I get a negative test at the end of the 14 days home detention. The recommended I get several along the way as if I tested positive I would need to start another 14 day sentence from the date of that test…..

Razey
Razey
November 29, 2021 6:06 pm

rickwsays:
November 29, 2021 at 6:04 pm
Had a visit from some Government people checking up on us. The requirement is that I get a negative test at the end of the 14 days home detention. The recommended I get several along the way as if I tested positive I would need to start another 14 day sentence from the date of that test…..

I think you can get these signs off of ebay.

Trespassers Will be Shot.

sfw
sfw
November 29, 2021 6:07 pm

Re ‘New States’, Tim Quilty from the Vic LDP has been working on a new state that would encompass the bottom half of NSW and all of Vic, excluded would be greater Melbourne and Sydney which would become city states. He’s been holding meetings around the area to see if there’s interest. Unfortunately there doesn’t seem be much, the media have completely ignored and the major parties are like Sgt Shultz. It’s a great idea but why isn’t anyone interested?

JC
JC
November 29, 2021 6:08 pm

The Cat/s are mosh pits in a litter tray, everyone knows that.

You can’t keep giving free passes to JCs, princesses & mouldy dildo fantasists then shouting down anyone who’ll fight back against such abusers by demanding the abused ‘shut up & show compassion.’

Wow! How’s your dildo been working out for you USSR? Are you keeping it clean? What I’ve said is that people can make their own choices regarding the vax. If you can’t comport with that then go clean your own dildos and stop worrying about anyone else.

She is right, there’s little choice at times unlike you who actually sounds like she did have a choice.

twostix
twostix
November 29, 2021 6:09 pm

Delta Asays:
November 29, 2021 at 5:57 pm
Oh, and to the purists upthread, until you are willing to pay the bills of those who stand to lose everything, suggest that you also STFU.

It’s not only jobs/income/house /everything that is at risk, in many instances it is emotional support from friends and family, as has been illustrated almost daily on the Cat.

But still the armchair warriors call for more. Fine, if you’re in a position to offer more; if you are reasonably self-sufficient, or your family and friends are of like mind. But these warriors push to divide society and break families, in very best Marxist style.

I like the way that capitulators and their enablers have infinitely more RAGE at people who still haven’t taken the jab yet then they do at their oppressors.

Predicted and normal mob dynamics, but still sad to see it play out.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 29, 2021 6:09 pm

err… how does Palestine communities feature in the history of Australian colonialism?

There were posters being put up around Sydney with an old (late 19th century?) picture of a Middle-Eastern chap. Underneath was the one word “Aussie” written in white against the coloured background. I am guessing he was one of the Afghans who came to Australia when camels were introduced – would have been a hell of a learning curve without them, ill-tempered smelly brutes that camels are.

I expect they were British subjects like everyone else.

I used to toy with the idea of using white paper and glue to turn the ‘A’ into an ‘M’. Not that I have a problem with those old camel drivers. They came to Australia before the welfare state or expecting their customs had to be elevated for Multicultural reasons. Probably just did what they did. Probably likeable blokes. May well have married local women and settled down.

Just distaste for the ‘lesson’ the poster seemed to be pushing.

Razey
Razey
November 29, 2021 6:10 pm

sfwsays:
November 29, 2021 at 6:07 pm
Re ‘New States’, Tim Quilty from the Vic LDP has been working on a new state that would encompass the bottom half of NSW and all of Vic, excluded would be greater Melbourne and Sydney which would become city states. He’s been holding meetings around the area to see if there’s interest. Unfortunately there doesn’t seem be much, the media have completely ignored and the major parties are like Sgt Shultz. It’s a great idea but why isn’t anyone interested?

For the same reason dopey fuckwit vaxtards swallowed the government vax Kool-Aid without question.

John of Mel
John of Mel
November 29, 2021 6:10 pm

The recommended I get several along the way as if I tested positive I would need to start another 14 day sentence from the date of that test…..

If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again.
Maybe there is a false positive PCR test waiting for you down the road.

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 29, 2021 6:10 pm

Golda Meir and Maggie Thatcher might beg to differ on the defence thing.

Thatcher was a Chancer who got lucky despite no core beliefs.
The Falklands War was a disgrace
Enoch Powell told her he would fight for Britain even if Britain had a Communist Government.
Thatcher couldn’t understand that, which tells you everything you need to know about Thatcher.

miltonf
miltonf
November 29, 2021 6:11 pm

It’s a great idea but why isn’t anyone interested?

Much more pressing concerns like restoring liberty and rescuing the real economy- things like oil refineries and power stations along with small businesses.

JC
JC
November 29, 2021 6:14 pm

This is what insanity looks like in written form on a blog.

Thatcher was a Chancer who got lucky despite no core beliefs.
The Falklands War was a disgrace
Enoch Powell told her he would fight for Britain even if Britain had a Communist Government.
Thatcher couldn’t understand that, which tells you everything you need to know about Thatcher.

Roger
Roger
November 29, 2021 6:14 pm

George Orwell was not an atheist. He was agnostic. And even if he was an atheist….so what. The man was a prophet.

Not a prophet in the Biblical sense, but if God could grant Balaam’s ass the power of speech he could certainly use an agnostic as his instrument one would think.

Diogenes
Diogenes
November 29, 2021 6:14 pm

Kamala has shown signs of refusing to go out without a lot of fuss also, which would be a spanner in the works.

It would take many many $$$ to overcome the going down in history as first woman President.

Interesting the way the amendment is worded in that it is not clear if it requires a joint sitting or a majority of both houses, and if the the latter what happens if either house votes against.

bespoke
bespoke
November 29, 2021 6:15 pm

Hi none.

Winston Smith's Keyboard.
November 29, 2021 6:19 pm

Zipster:

The Ghislaine Maxwell Trial Begins Tomorrow, But The Judge May Be Compromised; and there’ll be a media blackout because

some “names” might get a mention

Nah. I already checked the Judges name…

Indolent
Indolent
November 29, 2021 6:22 pm

Staff Shortages Force New York Hospital to Close Emergency Room as Winter COVID Surge Looms

A hospital in Nassau County, New York, was forced to close its emergency department this week due to staffing shortages as a result of the state’s COVID-19 vaccination requirement.

Typical. Another way to kill us.

twostix
twostix
November 29, 2021 6:26 pm

I said a couple of months ago that eventually the worst persecutors of the ‘un-jabbed’ will be a lot of people who felt forced to get ‘jabbed’, rather than vaxxination true believers.

Not yet, but give it six or twelve or eighteen more months and a couple more forced ‘jabs’ and the resignation that in reality they’re never actually going to do anything differently, will be easily turned to hate towards those few ‘crazies’ remaining that do refuse to yield, and altered their lives and sit in the ‘quarantine’ camps / prison / gutter or whatever rather than give in.

As night follows day, you watch. It’s in the nature of these type of things.

We’re already seeing the shift from ‘don’t anyone get jabbed!’ to ‘don’t you dare tell people to hang in there and not get jabbed, it offends me because I gave in so HOW DARE YOU SPEAK YOU CRAZY!’.

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 29, 2021 6:26 pm

Keep in mind there’s a similar screeching amongst some people over a thing called PFAS, which stands for perfluorinated alkyl substances. Much angst for example near the Williamtown airbase where PFOA or somesuch was used in RAAF firefighting foam.

Also at Oakey Airbase, where many locals have suffered from unexplainable diseases.

The reason why that is a complete storm in a thimble, let alone a teacup, is that when you use a Teflon frypan the surface coating oxidizes with time and heat, then the oxidation products dissolve in the cooking oil which we’ve all been eating since NASA invented the stuff fifty odd years ago. Those oxidation products are also PFAS. We have not died like flies in that period despite us eating large amounts for much of our lives.

Get up to date on Teflon in cookware, Bruce.
It’s not much good for you.

Roger
Roger
November 29, 2021 6:27 pm

I expect they were British subjects like everyone else.

As were the two Pakistani (as we would call them today) ice cream vendors who on New Year’s Day 1915 raised the Turkish flag and shot 11 civilians (4 dead, 7 wounded) travelling to a picnic near Broken Hill before being dispatched from this world by police.

Probably the first “lone wolf” terror attack on Australian soil.

Mental illness was not considered a causative factor at the time.

Zatara
Zatara
November 29, 2021 6:28 pm

IMO, this whole Harris resigning as VP thing is a combination of wishful thinking and click bait. Yeah, her popularity is in the toilet. Well tough, that doesn’t get you a mulligan.

So what does her resignation letter say? “I’m resigning, but not until Clinton is voted in to replace me?” Well no Kamala, you resign and once there is a vacancy we’ll have a vote to fill it. That’s how it works.

Might the Dems try it? I put nothing past them, but you can bet on it going to the SCOTUS for a decision. Which of course delays it even further, like past the mid-terms which makes it truly peeing into the wind. Meanwhile Harris keeps whiting out her resignation date and putting another in?

However, there are a few more realities to consider. Like how Biden is going to perceive all this maneuvering to oust his butt. He may be stupid but his people aren’t. At least not in the machiavellian sense. Does anyone really think he/they are going to let that assassin into the house?

How much the Dems want to piss off the voters? Forcing Clinton into office by yet another underhanded stunt isn’t going to play well. She has long since burned her political collateral and some people are badly misreading her supposed popularity at this point and underestimating the lengths that people on both sides of the aisle will go to in order to keep her away from the White House.

Not to mention that Wussiagate is still slowly unravelling and she’s up to her neck in it. So is the US ready for yet another impeachment fiasco? I think not.

As to Newsom, he barely hung onto the governor’s chair during the recall election in California and that by massive statewide vote fraud. There is no chance of mail-in vote fraud in the Congress and he’s a freaking far-left nutcase, the last thing the Dems want/need in a WH they are trying to pull back to the center-left.

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 29, 2021 6:28 pm

We’re already seeing the shift from ‘don’t anyone get jabbed!’ to ‘don’t you dare tell people to hang in there and not get jabbed, it offends me because I gave in so HOW DARE YOU SPEAK YOU CRAZY!’.

That’s gobbledegook.
Is it intentional?

Razey
Razey
November 29, 2021 6:31 pm

twostixsays:
November 29, 2021 at 6:26 pm
I said a couple of months ago that eventually the worst persecutors of the ‘un-jabbed’ will be a lot of people who felt forced to get ‘jabbed’, rather than vaxxination true believers.

LOL. By the time those morans are on their 5th or 6th booster they’ll be too busy trying to survive the side effects and dealing with their damaged bodies to worry about us. No, they will be going after the government.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 29, 2021 6:31 pm

The F18s bid their farewell today, with a flight up the coast. Two zoomed by just above the waves here at Kingscliff to the delight of onlookers.

From Ncl local news:

FA-18 HORNET FLEET TAKES OFF FOR THE FINAL TIME AT WILLIAMTOWN (29 Nov)

Sad to bid these birdies goodbye, although one is staying behind in the nest, at the Fighter World Museum at Williamtown.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 29, 2021 6:31 pm

George Orwell was not an atheist. He was agnostic. And even if he was an atheist….so what. The man was a prophet.

Indeed. He was not warning us about what God was going to do, but man.

I also like the fact that while he was a socialist he could also see its danger.

If he was suddenly transported through time and found himself with his thoughts from then in the world of now, would he still be calling himself socialist. The things that I expect spurred his ire would have been things like plight of the working and lower classes, their degraded living conditions and denial of opportunity, the entitled elite, their contempt for ordinary people, their pretenses that their position is a matter purity rather than money or contacts, etc.

A 1940’s leftist may well be a 2020’s rightist.

bespoke
bespoke
November 29, 2021 6:33 pm

Not opposed to asking people to hang in there just not to demonize them. Motherhood statements and bravado is easy on the internet.

Winston Smith's Keyboard.
November 29, 2021 6:39 pm

Tom:
“Leftism isn’t just a mental illness, but a tribe of vicious feral attack dogs determined to do evil whatever it takes.”
It’s remarkably similar to the “Working Towards The Fuhrer.” concept.

Everyone with opportunity to observe it knows that the Führer can only with great difficulty order from above everything that he intends to carry out sooner or later. On the contrary, until now everyone has best worked in his place in the new Germany if, so to speak, he works towards the Führer.
Very often, and in many places, it has been the case that individuals, already in previous years, have waited for commands and orders. Unfortunately, that will probably also be so in future. Rather, however, it is the duty of every single person to attempt, in the spirit of the Führer, to work towards him. Anyone making mistakes will come to notice it soon enough. But the one who works correctly towards the Führer along his lines and towards his aim will in future as previously have the finest reward of one day suddenly attaining the legal confirmation of his work.

twostix
twostix
November 29, 2021 6:39 pm

Australia has ~220 million more ‘jabs’ coming over the next 2 years at minimum. Let’s call it 6-8 per person. That’s six more rounds of what they’ve just done – the mandates, the pressure, the coercion, the exclusion, the threats.

So if you’ve taken the jabs already because you felt forced to, you’ve bought some time. But if you’re not using this time to fortify your mind and family and life (leave Victoria would be a minimum good start I’d say) and found your god in preparation for the coming two+ year campaign of ‘jab’ mandates and coercion that you’re going to have to resist with the same and worse pressure that will be brought to bear than was this time around…

I mean, what do you expect people to say? This isn’t ladies night, we don’t have to play pretend to spare people’s feelings.

Some people are fooling themselves, maybe on both sides of the ‘jab’.

Let’s all hope and pray that the protests and political pressure grow and can make this go away before we all get in too deep right? But let’s not lie to ourselves about the reality and situation we’re all in – because that’s what ‘conservatives’ did for fifty years and look where that whole thing ended up.

miltonf
miltonf
November 29, 2021 6:40 pm

The thing that surprises me about Clinton is that they haven’t even given her some sort of consolation prize.

Cassie of Sydney
November 29, 2021 6:40 pm

“Indeed. He was not warning us about what God was going to do, but man.”

Beautifully said ML.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 29, 2021 6:40 pm

By the time those morans are on their 5th or 6th booster they’ll be too busy trying to survive the side effects and dealing with their damaged bodies to worry about us. No, they will be going after the government.

Is that The Omega Man or World War Z?
Ok, it’s obvious, I’ll go with The Omicron Man.
Coming to Netflix soon.
Got have Will Smith innit but.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 29, 2021 6:40 pm

The traditional Left Right divide is rarely a useful way to think about things today.

Razey
Razey
November 29, 2021 6:40 pm

bespokesays:
November 29, 2021 at 6:33 pm
Not opposed to asking people to hang in there just not to demonize them. Motherhood statements and bravado is easy on the internet.

Why not? Anyone who supports the fact that a vaxtard can legally enter a pub coughing over and infecting everyone, yet a healthy unvax’d cant, is fucking idiot.

Cassie of Sydney
November 29, 2021 6:41 pm

“bespokesays:
November 29, 2021 at 6:15 pm
Hi none.”

Snap.

rickw
rickw
November 29, 2021 6:42 pm

travelling to a picnic near Broken Hill before being dispatched from this world by police.

They weren’t dispatched by police, they were dispatched by a well armed and highly pissed off mob accompanied by police.

JC
JC
November 29, 2021 6:43 pm

The traditional Left Right divide is rarely a useful way to think about things today.

I believe it’s even starker, but you first, explain why you think that?

flyingduk
flyingduk
November 29, 2021 6:43 pm

I missed the earlier post, but is that 7.62 x 54R ? We talking about Mosin Nagants?!!

1941 with genuine sniper scope …. not a factory build rifle, but all the parts are all genuine

miltonf
miltonf
November 29, 2021 6:44 pm

Let’s all hope and pray that the protests and political pressure grow and can make this go away before we all get in too deep right? But let’s not lie to ourselves about the reality and situation we’re all in – because that’s what ‘conservatives’ did for fifty years and look where that whole thing ended up.

Agree. I know I kidded myself for decades that the LNP had our best interests at heart but I think that really stopped in the 70s.

Roger
Roger
November 29, 2021 6:46 pm

Indeed. He was not warning us about what God was going to do, but man.

In the OT God usually visited his judgment upon the Israelites via other nations.

rickw
rickw
November 29, 2021 6:47 pm

1941 with genuine sniper scope …. not a factory build rifle, but all the parts are all genuine

Cool! I have a 91/30 PU replica put together by Century in the USA. All parts original except for the bolt handle.

Roger
Roger
November 29, 2021 6:48 pm

They weren’t dispatched by police, they were dispatched by a well armed and highly pissed off mob accompanied by police.

It would appear, then, that the received historical account has been sanitised.

Whyever would they do that?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 29, 2021 6:49 pm

Sad to bid these birdies goodbye, although one is staying behind in the nest, at the Fighter World Museum at Williamtown.

I’m remembering when they were brought into service to replace the Mirage…

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 29, 2021 6:52 pm

IMO, this whole Harris resigning as VP thing is a combination of wishful thinking and click bait.

Zatara – Buttigieg is currently waltzing around waving his frilly pink panties on a stick saying LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME. Despite his abject failure on supply chain snafus. And three months hiding doing nappy changing. So I think there’s real undercurrent that Kamala may be given the boot.

Interestingly Matthew McConaughey has just announced he’s not running for Texas governor. Timing of which is intriguing since he’s a full on lefty and has charisma in shedloads.

Matthew McConaughey finally declares he’s not running for Texas governor (Skynews Oz, 29 Nov)

I wonder?

Zatara
Zatara
November 29, 2021 6:52 pm

Interesting the way the amendment is worded in that it is not clear if it requires a joint sitting or a majority of both houses, and if the the latter what happens if either house votes against.

When a nomination for appointment is submitted in the US it is voted for in the House and the Senate separately with simple majority rule deciding in each. Non passage in either house is a failure of the nomination.

Joint sessions of the US Congress do not serve a legislative function. No resolutions are proposed or votes taken. They are generally ceremonial in nature such as for the President’s State of the Union address.

rickw
rickw
November 29, 2021 6:52 pm

A 90-minute gun battle followed, during which armed members of the public arrived to join the police and military.

Still a bit of sanitisation required on Wikipedia. I have read a better account somewhere, will try and locate it.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 29, 2021 6:53 pm

Traditional Left Right thinking has predominantly been about labour and returns to labour. The modern labour market and the effect of technology on the returns to capital have made traditional divisions unrecognisable. Hence the rise of Howard’s Battlers and UK voting patterns. Moving away from labour markets, I would challenge people to find any real distraction in practice between the branches of the UniParty.

Dot
Dot
November 29, 2021 6:56 pm

We should keep the Hornets but also Riverina should definitely be its own State.

It has a common culture and needs to stop Melbin and Adelaide stealing it’s water.

Delta A
Delta A
November 29, 2021 6:57 pm

I like the way that capitulators and their enablers have infinitely more RAGE at people who still haven’t taken the jab yet then they do at their oppressors.

Not vaxxed, never will be.

You dope.

Dot
Dot
November 29, 2021 6:57 pm

When a nomination for appointment is submitted in the US it is voted for in the House and the Senate separately with simple majority rule deciding in each. Non passage in either house is a failure of the nomination.

Wut?

miltonf
miltonf
November 29, 2021 6:59 pm

AFIK some pubic ‘service’ femocrat in Canbra is withholding water from the MIA.

Winston Smith's Keyboard.
November 29, 2021 6:59 pm

Rickw:

I don’t think there is any way to fix this other than to find a receiver board designed to accept an RX crystal and control two motors?!

I have a foolproof way of fixing this problem.
I will tell you on receipt of your feral sprogs used tissues.
🙂

Zatara
Zatara
November 29, 2021 7:00 pm

Buttigieg is currently waltzing around waving his frilly pink panties on a stick saying LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME.

BoN

I suspect what we are seeing there is Buttigieg attempting to not get the boot himself.
That two month ‘paternity leave’ stunt didn’t go over very well especially since it began during the supply chain crunch.

He’s been quietly feuding with Harris lately about who’s less relevant.

Dot
Dot
November 29, 2021 7:00 pm

I’ll go with Omnicron, Man…

Who thought some of Orson Welles best voice acting would be on his deathbed in a cartoon to sell toys (which he hated anyway)?

It pleases me to be the first, as he said.

Plus it had the Unsolved Mysteries guy.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 29, 2021 7:01 pm

In the OT God usually visited his judgment upon the Israelites via other nations.

I swear when I saw ‘OT’ I thought ‘Open Thread’.

miltonf
miltonf
November 29, 2021 7:01 pm

The controller of water or director of water or something. No doubt has a BA or some degree from the ANUs.

Roger
Roger
November 29, 2021 7:01 pm

Buttigieg is currently waltzing around waving his frilly pink panties on a stick saying LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME. Despite his abject failure on supply chain snafus.

An even bigger problem for his prospects is that black Democrats would not be inspired to vote for a ticket that included a white, middle class homosexual.

Roger
Roger
November 29, 2021 7:02 pm

I swear when I saw ‘OT’ I thought ‘Open Thread’.

I knew you’d get it!

JC
JC
November 29, 2021 7:02 pm

When a nomination for appointment is submitted in the US it is voted for in the House and the Senate separately with simple majority rule deciding in each. Non passage in either house is a failure of the nomination.

That’s true, but is there a rule Kampala couldn’t break the 50/50 rule by voting for own replacement in the senate? I think she could. In any event that wouldn’t be needed because some GOP’er will break ranks. The traitorous bastards.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 29, 2021 7:03 pm

Get up to date on Teflon in cookware, Bruce.

Yes, Ed, I am aware that Teflon is no longer used for non stick cookware. It was quietly retired. After half a century. I must have quite a significant fluorine content in my cell membranes by now! I can tell you that it didn’t turn me into a righty though because I always have been. History in school put me right off leftism at an early age. And the behaviour of lefty ferals on campus was the utter coup de grace.

Top Ender
Top Ender
November 29, 2021 7:04 pm

THE NT’s Director of Public Prosecutions has sought advice on potential criminal charges against Channel 7 over the broadcast of a documentary relating to the upcoming murder trial of NT Police officer Zach Rolfe.

The program, 7 News Spotlight: Life and Death, aired late last month and touched on issues around the high-profile trial over the shooting death of 19-year-old Kumanjayi Walker in Yuendumu in 2019.

On November 5, Chief Justice Michael Grant flagged that the court had become aware of the program, as well as “various material posted on the Daily Mail website”.

The Spotlight episode was not broadcast in the Territory but Chief Justice Grant said it was later posted on “various platforms which can be accessed from the NT”.

“Now those publications are potentially in breach of suppression orders, I understand, which had previously been made by Justice (Dean) Mildren and the Full Court but also potentially — I say potentially — in breach of the sub judice doctrine,” he said.

On Monday, acting NT DPP Nick Papas QC said he expected to receive formal advice on whether to lay contempt charges within the next three weeks.

“I have instructed the Solicitor for the Northern Territory to advise me with respect to potential contempt proceedings arising from the program,” he said.

“Those proceedings are presently being formalised and I expect that process will be completed in the next two to three weeks.

“I do not propose to discuss the prospective arguments or otherwise provide any further detail about the alleged contempt. If the matter proceeds the issues will be considered by the court in due course.”

Channel 7 did not respond to a request for comment on Monday but a spokesman for the network told the Sydney Morning Herald any contempt charges would be “selfish political folly”.

“Seven does not have an NT broadcast licence and the relevant Spotlight story was deliberately not played in the NT and was not put online in deference to the fact that the criminal proceedings were under way,” he said.

“Apart from ignoring Seven’s respect for the court process and conventions, it would appear to be an attempt to intimidate and cut away from free press reporting on a matter of wide public interest that does not concern the trial.

“Regardless of the cost to the NT taxpayers of this selfish political folly, Seven will defend any proceedings launched. We will stand behind our journalists and not allow them to be muzzled outside the NT.”

Media outlets can be held in “sub judice” contempt for publishing material that could influence a potential future jury in a case before it has been resolved by a court.

The trial is due to begin in February.

Cassie of Sydney
November 29, 2021 7:08 pm

“JCsays:
November 29, 2021 at 6:43 pm
The traditional Left Right divide is rarely a useful way to think about things today.

I believe it’s even starker, but you first, explain why you think that?”

I’ll try to explain…..here’s an example. Last night I posted a link to a discussion that was uploaded yesterday by the wonderful Peter Whittle, who hosts the superb youtube channel The New Culture Forum. Peter is a gay UK conservative ex-politician. In the discussion, Peter interviewed his old friend, the equally wonderful and outspoken Julie Burchill, one of my favourite British journalists and commentators.

Burchill is Bristol raised, solid working class. Both her parents were communists……she knows poverty, she knows the British working class. Burchill has just written a book which I am going to buy called “Welcome to the Woke Trials. How #Identity Killed Progressive politics”…this book is a scathing rundown of the grotesque left-wing censorious woke running amok in the west. She is contemptuous of the new left. Why? Because as Burchill says, the left is now full of privileged woke middle class scum…people who went to private schools, children of professionals, children of wealth…they know nothing of the working class. As Burchill says, whilst she is still working class and left-wing, she’ll vote Conservative but she’s voting about cultural and social issues. She thinks most utilities and corporations such as banks should be nationalised….she would abolish the monarchy and so on. But she’s proud of her country, she believes in borders, she’s a passionate defender of Israel, she bravely says that there are only two sexes and so on. Burchill voted for Boris and the conservatives in 2019 and she watched in amusement at how the red wall collapsed for UK Labour….she understands why people have deserted the party and they’re not in any hurry to return….why would they? To be daily scorned, smeared and ridiculed as “white supremacists, xenophobes, racists, Islamophobes, dumbos, and so on by the middle class scum running Labour. It’s no different here, just look at the Labor party and particularly the Greens.

I think Burchill is a good example of why the old left/right labels just don’t work anymore.

Zatara
Zatara
November 29, 2021 7:10 pm

When a nomination for appointment is submitted in the US it is voted for in the House and the Senate separately with simple majority rule deciding in each. Non passage in either house is a failure of the nomination.

Wut?

Confusing isn’t it?
There are two houses in the US legislature (also known as the US Congress).
The junior one is known as the House of Representatives, Congressmen serve there.
The senior one is the Senate. Probably should have been called the House of Senators but they ran out of ink.

Zatara
Zatara
November 29, 2021 7:16 pm

That’s true, but is there a rule Kampala couldn’t break the 50/50 rule by voting for own replacement in the senate?

JC

If she hasn’t resigned there is nothing to vote on. So no, I don’t think she gets to vote on her replacement but it’s also never come up before that I’m aware of. If the Dems insist on trying it I suspect it goes to the Supreme Court for a decision to clear it up.

The Dems don’t get a mulligan just because they are toxic.

Franx
Franx
November 29, 2021 7:16 pm

Truth is, at first it was the idea of holidays and some such perks that seduced, before any job threats appeared on the vaccination horizon.
Not too long ago, maybe 3 months or so, a truly fine friend urged me to get vaccinated so that the state could reach 70% and we could have family from overseas come visit. Those were the days.

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 29, 2021 7:17 pm

Julie Burchill is a Stalinist Hack, and a Toff.

Willie Brown publicly advised Harris not to accept the Vice Predidency, but to hold out for Attorney General.
She obviously didn’t listen, now she’s gone from Senator in a Blue State to nobody, with less than a year as Vice Prtesident [not worth a pitcher of warm piss] in between.

Razey
Razey
November 29, 2021 7:19 pm

assie of Sydneysays:
November 29, 2021 at 7:08 pm
“JCsays:
November 29, 2021 at 6:43 pm
The traditional Left Right divide is rarely a useful way to think about things today.

I believe it’s even starker, but you first, explain why you think that?”

I’ll try to explain…..here’s an example. Last night I posted a link to a discussion that was uploaded yesterday by the wonderful Peter Whittle, who hosts the superb youtube channel The New Culture Forum. Peter is a gay UK conservative ex-politician.

LOL. Lost me at ‘gay conservative’. An oxymoron by definition hahahahaha

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure

If anybody believes Vice-President Harris gets to vote on who may replace her as Vice-President, they may benefit from actually reading the 25th amendment to the Constitution of the USA.

They won’t have to read far, it’s fewer than Fifty words in (including headings)

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
November 29, 2021 7:23 pm

Traditional Left Right thinking has predominantly been about labour and returns to labour.

They seem to me to be about governmental agenda. ‘Left’ as in socialist or communist government, and ‘Right’ as in the opposite government style agenda (which has become solidified as Nazi fascist). Left and Right describe two kinds of statism.

It does not include nations where there is less government agenda – free democracies.

With ‘Left’ you can predict attitudes and actions of nations as they are implemented by government. Same with ‘Right’. Democracies are harder to predict since it is not a government ‘philosophy’ that governs attitudes and actions. Properly, and even formally, the US and the UK (as they were at the time of the actual Left/Right contest) were neither Left nor Right. They fought the Right (with their noses pinched in alliance with the Left) and almost immediately after the war squared off against the Left.

But since the Left did not start and lose a hot war they were able to define ‘Right’ as basically anything not Left. And with a strategy too. Everything not Left was now Right. Free nations could thus be depicted as a style of Nazi. Islamofascists, actual Conservatives, Libertarians, Aristocracies etc were all ‘Right’, despite having such fundamental differences.

The need for an umbrella term to distinguish itself from ‘Left’ has lead to the adoption of ‘Right’ for Conservatives and Libertarians, blithely accepting the Nazi baggage which is clearly labelled ‘C/- Statists’.

We really do need another term under which there will be different schools of thought, but with which points of agreement can be argued without the cringe that ‘Right’ invokes.

Cassie of Sydney
November 29, 2021 7:29 pm

“Mother Lodesays:
November 29, 2021 at 7:23 pm”

I think you’ve said it best.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
November 29, 2021 7:30 pm

LOL. Lost me at ‘gay conservative’. An oxymoron by definition hahahahaha

No it’s not. Plenty of gay men are conservative politically.

miltonf
miltonf
November 29, 2021 7:32 pm

Even the term ‘working class’ I’m not very comfortable with. Should we all be workers in one form or another.

Cassie of Sydney
November 29, 2021 7:33 pm

“DrBeauGansays:
November 29, 2021 at 7:30 pm
LOL. Lost me at ‘gay conservative’. An oxymoron by definition hahahahaha

No it’s not. Plenty of gay men are conservative politically.”

Indeed. Andy Ngo, Spencer Klavan (son of Andrew Klaven) and Dave Rubin are all conservatives.

cohenite
November 29, 2021 7:33 pm

Lysandersays:
November 29, 2021 at 2:52 pm
United States Union of Students is campaigning to have Rittenhouse kicked off campus:

https://theusamedia.com/students-want-to-expel-rittenhouse-out-of-college-because-he-was-white-defended-himself/

The kid has to sue these bastards blind. You can’t reason or negotiate with the left.

miltonf
miltonf
November 29, 2021 7:36 pm

The kid has to sue these bastards blind. You can’t reason or negotiate with the left.

These are not nice, rational people. They are feral and evil.

MatrixTransform
November 29, 2021 7:37 pm

5 letters starts with S and ends with R

Sounds like Maximum Leader’s baleful gaze came after starring in a Downfall video(5)

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 29, 2021 7:37 pm

miltonfsays:
November 29, 2021 at 6:40 pm
The thing that surprises me about Clinton is that they haven’t even given her some sort of consolation prize.

She got away with millions with the “Clinton Foundation”. That should be enough.

miltonf
miltonf
November 29, 2021 7:39 pm

Revisiting the Blainey episode from 1984 is a reminder of how vile the academy was even 35 years ago.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 29, 2021 7:40 pm

H B Bearsays:
November 29, 2021 at 6:40 pm
The traditional Left Right divide is rarely a useful way to think about things today.

Internationalists/nationalists.

Cosmopolitans/parochials.

Anywheres/somewheres.

MatrixTransform
November 29, 2021 7:42 pm

it appears that protesting is SIGNFICANTLY protective

*chuckles

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 29, 2021 7:42 pm

miltonf

Agree. I know I kidded myself for decades that the LNP had our best interests at heart but I think that really stopped in the 70s.

Jolly John Gorton was the last truly Australian PM.

miltonf
miltonf
November 29, 2021 7:43 pm

BJ I’m sure Clinton has more money than she could ever need but I’m sure she lusts after power and the opportunity for revenge and bullying it bestows.

local oaf
November 29, 2021 7:44 pm

A friend has just told me her daughter was refused an appointment at a doctor’s surgery in suburban Adelaide because she was not “vaccinated”.

Is this happening widely, or is it a new thing?

Zipster
Zipster
November 29, 2021 7:48 pm
Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
November 29, 2021 7:48 pm

The kid has to sue these bastards blind. You can’t reason or negotiate with the left.

These are not nice, rational people. They are feral and evil.

Also quite a low risk way of very rapidly becoming obscenely rich. I wonder what Mr Sandmann’s portfolio is bringing in pa? Lawyers too with CVs in hand should be lining up around the block of Rittenhouse’s house, if they have any sense.

H B Bear
H B Bear
November 29, 2021 7:54 pm

The co-opting of the homosexual lobby was largely a marriage (no pun intended) of convenience. I would put most politically active gays into the useful idiots category. It was largely just another stick to bash Abbott, if one was needed.

Zatara
Zatara
November 29, 2021 7:54 pm

The kid has to sue these bastards blind. You can’t reason or negotiate with the left.

Unfortunately, the organization that wrote that tripe, ‘Mecha de ASU‘, are a small group of college student aspiring ‘revolutionaries’ at Arizona State University who were obviously hunting for some notoriety/publicity. I doubt they have two pennies to rub together.

What they apparently do have is a charter from the University. So that may be Kyle’s best target.

Razey
Razey
November 29, 2021 8:00 pm

DrBeauGansays:
November 29, 2021 at 7:30 pm
LOL. Lost me at ‘gay conservative’. An oxymoron by definition hahahahaha

No it’s not. Plenty of gay men are conservative politically.

LOL. Oxymoron haha.

Cassie of Sydney
November 29, 2021 8:01 pm

Oh and one of the best conservative thinkers in the world is gay…Douglas Murray.

Arky
November 29, 2021 8:01 pm

No it’s not. Plenty of gay men are conservative politically.

..

con·ser·va·tism (k?n-sûr?v?-t?z??m)
n.
1. The inclination, especially in politics, to maintain the existing or traditional order.
2. A political philosophy or attitude that emphasizes respect for traditional institutions and opposes the attempt to achieve social change though legislation or publicly funded programs.
3. Caution or moderation, as in behavior or outlook.

..
I don’t think taking cock up the backside counts as traditional, cautious or moderate.
But then, maybe people are going with the more free dick wheeling definition of “conservative” which includes drug addled sex traffickers and slave traders, as long as they give the nod to free markets.

Razey
Razey
November 29, 2021 8:01 pm

Razeysays:
November 29, 2021 at 8:00 pm
DrBeauGansays:
November 29, 2021 at 7:30 pm
LOL. Lost me at ‘gay conservative’. An oxymoron by definition hahahahaha

No it’s not. Plenty of gay men are conservative politically.

Oh yeah, I have some magic beans for sale too. haha

Razey
Razey
November 29, 2021 8:03 pm

Arkysays:
November 29, 2021 at 8:01 pm
No it’s not. Plenty of gay men are conservative politically.

..

con·ser·va·tism (k?n-sûr?v?-t?z??m)
n.
1. The inclination, especially in politics, to maintain the existing or traditional order.
2. A political philosophy or attitude that emphasizes respect for traditional institutions and opposes the attempt to achieve social change though legislation or publicly funded programs.
3. Caution or moderation, as in behavior or outlook.

..
I don’t think taking cock up the backside counts as traditional, cautious or moderate.
But then, maybe people are going with the more free dick wheeling definition of “conservative” which includes drug addled sex traffickers and slave traders, as long as they give the nod to free markets.

Perverts taking penis up the anus have ZERO claim to any form of conservatism.

miltonf
miltonf
November 29, 2021 8:04 pm

I reckon Andy Ngo is braver than any of the fuckwits above.

Mater
November 29, 2021 8:04 pm

The traditional Left Right divide is rarely a useful way to think about things today.

The Right is about small, unobtrusive government.
The Left is about government control, collective action and central planning.

It seems obvious to me that it’s still useful under the current circumstances.

That some on the Left don’t like it, doesn’t mean it’s not Left inspired, it just means they don’t like the shit they’ve been selling for years, when it lands on them. It’s an awakening of sorts.

That some on the Right are supporting it, doesn’t mean that it’s associated with the Right, it just means those maggots are actually leftists.

Left and Right is still still a useful and appropriate divide, it’s just that who belongs in what camp is a little mixed up currently. We’re slowly sorting them out.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 29, 2021 8:05 pm

Jolly John Gorton was the last truly Australian PM.

I always though that John Gorton was the last true Australian Prime Minister, in a way Bob Hawke merely pretended to be.

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 29, 2021 8:05 pm

Next thing you know, someone will be claiming Milo Yiannopoulos is a conservative.

Razey
Razey
November 29, 2021 8:05 pm

Cassie of Sydneysays:
November 29, 2021 at 8:01 pm
Oh and one of the best conservative thinkers in the world is gay…Douglas Murray.

NOPE! He’s a disgusting pervert.

Cassie of Sydney
November 29, 2021 8:06 pm

“miltonfsays:
November 29, 2021 at 8:04 pm
I reckon Andy Ngo is braver than any of the fuckwits above.”

Quite so.

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 29, 2021 8:08 pm

I always though that John Gorton was the last true Australian Prime Minister, in a way Bob Hawke merely pretended to be.

Gorton was a total dumbarse, even Tony nAbbott made a better fist of the job.
His nickname wasn’t Bungles for no reason.

Razey
Razey
November 29, 2021 8:08 pm

Anyone who thinks gays a ‘normal’ are NOT conservatives.

Winston Smith's Keyboard.
November 29, 2021 8:18 pm

JC:

Just like that, Hillary Clinton is president of the United States.

This scenario was discussed early last year.
I see no reason why it wouldn’t be applicable today.
Feelthebren:

JC, they’d have to wait until after the mid-terms wouldn’t they?
Otherwise it would be an early referendum on Hillary.

Exactly. There’s no telling what the mid terms will do to the US polity.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 29, 2021 8:18 pm

His nickname wasn’t Bungles for no reason.

Funny, I always knew his nickname as “Jolly John ” – he liked a few drinks and a pretty face. That’s the first I ve heard him named “Bungles.”

Arky
November 29, 2021 8:21 pm

miltonf says:
November 29, 2021 at 8:04 pm
I reckon Andy Ngo is braver than any of the fuckwits above

..
One doesn’t have to be a conservative to be a decent human though.
For sure, don’t crowbar things into the category “conservative” that don’t belong there, but also understand that true conservatism as we knew it hardly exists anymore.

Roger
Roger
November 29, 2021 8:21 pm

Revisiting the Blainey episode from 1984 is a reminder of how vile the academy was even 35 years ago.

Nick Coatsworth is experiencing the same treatment today.

And of course there’s Peter Ridd.

How many cases never make the news?

Guide your kids away from university if you can; if you can’t, good luck.

mizaris
mizaris
November 29, 2021 8:22 pm

Just finished watching “The Hunt” – H I L A R I O U S!!!!!

cohenite
November 29, 2021 8:23 pm

There was a seminar today by the NSW Law Society about Net Zero with a number of activist lawyers mouthing shear shit and propaganda: here are the relevant wankers:

https://www.lawsociety.com.au/events/events-calendar/thought-leadership-getting-net-zero

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
November 29, 2021 8:24 pm

Jeremy Hans is doing sterling service in exposing the pathological dishonesty of the leftards’ hysterical campaign against the draft religious discrimination laws. What’s really worrying is that this tripe is coming not just from the media but from so-called lawyers in the corrupt and despicable so-called human rights industry.

Bar Beach Swimmer
November 29, 2021 8:27 pm

Is this happening widely, or is it a new thing?

Yes.

Razey
Razey
November 29, 2021 8:28 pm

Let’s face it. The actual death of Australia occurred when gays were ‘allowed’ to marry. It’s been a death spiral ever since, and now we witness the horrible spectre of immorality Australia has become.

It will only get worse. Its inevitable, and a just consequence of normalising perversion.

bespoke
bespoke
November 29, 2021 8:29 pm

True conservatism never existed.

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 29, 2021 8:30 pm

That’s the first I ve heard him named “Bungles.”

I find that very easy to believe.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
November 29, 2021 8:31 pm

Jolly John Gorton was the last truly Australian PM.

I always though that John Gorton was the last true Australian Prime Minister, in a way Bob Hawke merely pretended to be.

I heard a story about Gorton which I can’t vouch for, but seems plausible.

He was at a lunch in Melbourne and went hard, and was taken back to the old Essendon Airport absolutely off his face, and was carried aboard the RAAF plane to go back to Canberra and strapped into his seat.
He started to turn a bit green. Then greener and greener, then the plane got technicolour decorated.
Gorton looked at the WRAAFi who was acting as air hostess and said “I bet you didn’t think an old fighter pilot like me could get airsick”.
“No,” she replied, “especially since the pilot hasn’t even turned the engine on yet”.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 29, 2021 8:32 pm

Media accused of belatedly approaching ex-soldier in defamation case
By Adam Cooper
November 29, 2021 — 6.42pm

Lawyers for the news outlets being sued by Ben Roberts-Smith have been accused of belatedly approaching a former soldier about him giving evidence against the Victoria Cross recipient over the alleged murder of a farmer in Afghanistan.

Mr Roberts-Smith, a former Special Air Service soldier, is suing The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald for defamation over stories published that allege he was involved in multiple unlawful killings as a serving Australian soldier in Afghanistan. Mr Roberts-Smith denies the allegations and claims the articles are defamatory because they portray him as a war criminal.

The media outlets are defending the claims in a Federal Court trial and relying on a defence of truth.

The trial is set to resume next year, and the media have since applied to call a former soldier who served on missions in 2012 with Mr Roberts-Smith to give evidence against him.

The former soldier, known as Person 56, served alongside Mr Roberts-Smith in Darwan, where farmer Ali Jan was killed. The news outlets allege Mr Roberts-Smith kicked a handcuffed Mr Jan off a cliff and that the farmer was then shot dead by Australian soldiers and his death covered up. Mr Roberts-Smith denies the allegations.

On Monday, the court was told that it was unfair that the media companies’ lawyers had approached Person 56 and his lawyer after Mr Roberts-Smith and other key witnesses gave evidence at trial. Mr Roberts-Smith’s lawyers argue the media’s lawyers struck an agreement not to question Person 56 about a mission in Fasil in 2012, where an Afghan adolescent was allegedly murdered.

Arthur Moses, SC, for Mr Roberts-Smith, said Justice Anthony Besanko had previously refused to give the media permission to call Person 56 as a witness, and that their subsequent conduct meant any communications between lawyers for the news outlets and the former soldier should be released.

“This case should not be permitted to be a never-ending story with the [media] seeking to make late applications to call additional witnesses, when they realise either that forensic decisions have gone wrong or that the evidence they have called doesn’t establish what they have alleged,” Mr Moses said.

“On Person 56 … they have flipped, flopped and flipped again in relation to calling him.”

Mr Moses said the media’s legal team struck a deal not to question Person 56 about what happened in Fasil provided he gave evidence about what happened in Darwan about Mr Jan’s death.

“This is a side deal brokered by the [media] and agreed to by Person 56 for him to come give evidence to the court about the Darwan mission only, with no evidence … about his alleged illegal conduct in relation to other matters.”

Nicholas Owens, SC, acting for the media, has previously denied there was a deal between his team and Person 56 and the man’s lawyer.

Mr Owens said his colleagues tried to contact Person 56 before Mr Roberts-Smith and other witnesses gave evidence at trial, but it was only recently that they had been able to speak directly to Person 56.

He rejected a suggestion his team’s conduct waived confidential privileges between the parties, and opposed the application by Mr Roberts-Smith’s lawyers seeking communication between the media and Person 56.

Justice Besanko will rule on whether the communications are released and whether Person 56 is to give evidence on a later date.

local oaf
November 29, 2021 8:33 pm

Bar Beach Swimmer says:
November 29, 2021 at 8:27 pm

Is this happening widely, or is it a new thing?

Yes.

I take it that means yes, it’s happening widely?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 29, 2021 8:36 pm

I heard a story about Gorton which I can’t vouch for, but seems plausible.

I’d heard the same story, from what Reuters would designate “A reliable source.”

Fat Tony
Fat Tony
November 29, 2021 8:36 pm

Ellen of Tasmania says: from the thread “There were a lot more than 20,000 ”
November 29, 2021 at 2:43 pm
We spoke to an elderly, Melbourne relative yesterday. She knew nothing about the protests, is convinced that only the unvaccinated are getting seriously ill, and will happily take her booster jab when it’s time.

It upsets her to have any other perspective suggested.

The “vaxxines” are said to cause many micro-clots ( that’s if the big ones don’t get you first. )

Does anyone know if these micro-clots cause cognitive problems?

I know there’s the psyops aspects where they think it is necessary for everyone else to get the “jab” but are the “vaxxines” actually causing brain damage?

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 29, 2021 8:37 pm

Was it Bungles or was it, [tee hee], Jolly John?

Frank
Frank
November 29, 2021 8:38 pm

There was a seminar today by the NSW Law Society about Net Zero with a number of activist lawyers mouthing shear shit and propaganda: here are the relevant wankers:

Once upon a time I wrote a small script that sanitised text by replacing all the words from a given list with a single word. A not very nice word, a word that is improper among civilised company. The list of words to be replaced would include activist, lawyer, marxist, environmentalist, SJW, journalist, raising awareness and on and on. The neat thing about it is that it would highlight tautologies very clearly.

Applying it to the sentence above produces

There was a seminar today by the NSW Law Society about Net Zero with a number of c*nt c*nts mouthing shear shit and propaganda: here are the relevant wankers:

Roger
Roger
November 29, 2021 8:39 pm

There was a seminar today by the NSW Law Society about Net Zero with a number of activist lawyers…

Lawyers opine on the climate while experts in hand washing offer their advice to governments on vaccines and the right of male deviants to use female toilets is celebrated.

It is our misfortune to live in the stupidest of times.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 29, 2021 8:40 pm

Mr Ed

Gorton was a total dumbarse, even Tony nAbbott made a better fist of the job.

The question wasn’t about the “best” PM, it was about who was the last one who actually cared for Australia and Australians. Gorton was the one.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 29, 2021 8:42 pm

Zulu

That’s the first I ve heard him named “Bungles.”

I think that Mr Ed might have been confused with Willie Wingnuts McMahon, who was an awful bungler.

Megan
Megan
November 29, 2021 8:44 pm

A friend has just told me her daughter was refused an appointment at a doctor’s surgery in suburban Adelaide because she was not “vaccinated”.

Is this happening widely, or is it a new thing?

More widely than we thought, I believe. Had several incidents amongst unvaxxed friends getting the same message or offers to treat them outside in the damned carpark. My GP demands that of me she will be my ex GP.
The one that infuriated me was done to a regional Vietnam vet in his mid 70s with both physical and psychological issues from his service. His doctor forced the vax on him in order to continue as his patient. He very reluctantly acquiesced but was incredibly distressed afterwards. Has been this mongrel’s patient for 20+years.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 29, 2021 8:45 pm

Ed Casesays:
November 29, 2021 at 8:37 pm
Was it Bungles or was it, [tee hee], Jolly John?

Definitely Jolly John around Canberra at the time.

Bar Beach Swimmer
November 29, 2021 8:46 pm

A specialist the other half’s previously been to has refused to see him. I’ve also seen a few reports on-line.

Reignite Democracy Australia has a letter for people to use – I’ve downloaded it but not yet read it too closely. But we do need to find another GP as ours is closing his surgery permanently tomorrow.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 29, 2021 8:47 pm

This is the quote I want to put on the first New Cat t-shirt/ windcheater/mug.

I’ll lodge an order for two of the mugs.

Megan
Megan
November 29, 2021 8:48 pm

Interestingly enough, last weeks meet up for a stress echo with my cardiologist did not result in any coercion or even discussion. His response to my reasons for not succumbing was extremely muted and vaguely implied agreement.
I did wonder if he is seeing unexpected consequences in a younger vaxxed cohort but I didn’t want to push the topic any further.
I am completely over the whole nonsensical debacle.

Bar Beach Swimmer
November 29, 2021 8:49 pm

DB, what ever happened to treason in this country? Has it been removed from the statute books?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
November 29, 2021 8:49 pm

I think that Mr Ed might have been confused with Willie Wingnuts McMahon, who was an awful bungler.

Willie McMahon, who, on one notable occasion, couldn’t remember his wife’s name?

Roger
Roger
November 29, 2021 8:50 pm

The question wasn’t about the “best” PM, it was about who was the last one who actually cared for Australia and Australians. Gorton was the one.

I think you are right, BJ.

Abbott, with all his faults, comes in behind him.

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 29, 2021 8:50 pm

Definitely Jolly John around Canberra at the time.

Bullshit.
The Labor Party people in Canberra called Gorton “Bungles”>

Frank
Frank
November 29, 2021 8:50 pm

Dave Thompson reviews a Guardian review of Barkaa, an aboriginal rapper.

In juvenile detention, she would write “really radical raps” that rattled her supervisors.

Megan
Megan
November 29, 2021 8:52 pm

I’d heard the same story, from what Reuters would designate “A reliable source.”

Reuters and reliable should never appear in the same sentence.

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 29, 2021 8:53 pm

Abbott, with all his faults, comes in behind him.

Anbbott isn’t even an Australian, he was born in Britain with a silver spoon in his mouth

Roger
Roger
November 29, 2021 8:57 pm

Anbbott isn’t even an Australian, he was born in Britain with a silver spoon in his mouth

Er…time for bed, Ed.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 29, 2021 8:59 pm

Mr Ed

The Labor Party people in Canberra called Gorton “Bungles”>

Now there’s a reliable demographic for commentary about a Liberal PM. Have you dropped your faux “conservative” mask?

Dot
Dot
November 29, 2021 9:02 pm

Let’s face it. The actual death of Australia occurred when gays were ‘allowed’ to marry. It’s been a death spiral ever since, and now we witness the horrible spectre of immorality Australia has become.

No. Don’t be fucking stupid.

130,000 abortions a year were not caused by gay marriage.

Dot
Dot
November 29, 2021 9:03 pm

The US Senate confirms appointments.

WTF is everyone else talking about?

Once again, wut?

Keith Forwheels
Keith Forwheels
November 29, 2021 9:04 pm

Anbbott isn’t even an Australian, he was born in Britain with a silver spoon in his mouth

And your life of service to the public of Australia? What of it?

Kneel
Kneel
November 29, 2021 9:07 pm

“… brought a second one and a set of different TX / RX transmitter crystals…”

It’s likely a single chip receiver anyway I would expect and the “inductor” likely part of the IF filtering. If you can manage to get the numbers off the chip, you can most likely google it for a pinout and/or circuit, and specs – often even example circuits for various “uses”. The specs should give you an idea of what you’re dealing with and if what you want to do is even possible without replacing a “full set” of actuators (servos) and/or motor control (PWM speed controller) electronics.
I’d ask a specialist store about it.

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
November 29, 2021 9:10 pm

Arky says:
November 29, 2021 at 8:01 pm

Conservatism is the rear guard of the lefties.
It needs to be destroyed.

rickw
rickw
November 29, 2021 9:11 pm

Interestingly enough, last weeks meet up for a stress echo with my cardiologist did not result in any coercion or even discussion.

I would think that any cardiologist that’s a decent human being would be pretty concerned about their new clientele, young and vax damaged.

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 29, 2021 9:14 pm

And your life of service to the public of Australia? What of it?

Are you fucking kidding?
Abbott was a dud, but he wasn’t short on ambition.
Remember him telling Tony Windsor “I’d sell my arse to be Prime Minister, Tony.”
Windsor supported Gillard after hearing that, doubtless a wise move.

Dot
Dot
November 29, 2021 9:16 pm

Windsor supported Gillard after hearing that, doubtless a wise move.

Such a wise move that she didn’t even get a rematch and Abbott (admittedly not a popular PM) trounced Kevni Ruff.

Mmyes, the wisdom of Solomon strikes again.

Keith Forwheels
Keith Forwheels
November 29, 2021 9:18 pm

Are you fucking kidding?
Abbott was a dud, but he wasn’t short on ambition.
Remember him telling Tony Windsor “I’d sell my arse to be Prime Minister, Tony.”
Windsor supported Gillard after hearing that, doubtless a wise move.

I didn’t ask for you assessment on Abbott, your views are already clear, you are entitled to your opinion, it is just that.

I asked what you have ever done for the betterment of the public. What you’ve ever done to try to make the country a better place, or help your fellow man. Anything worth noting?

Bar Beach Swimmer
November 29, 2021 9:19 pm

Windows has just updated my laptop and now I can’t seem to retrieve my emails – I use Mozilla Thunderbird with my email account – any ideas, anyone?

thank you, in advance.

I also can’t find where the search engine stuff is located now either.

Kneel
Kneel
November 29, 2021 9:19 pm

” No it’s not. Plenty of gay men are conservative politically.

LOL. Oxymoron haha.”

Nah – just a shift of political landscape. Those guys never changed, the Dems did and you know it. The old centre-left position is now finding it has more in common with the right than the left.

Old bloke
Old bloke
November 29, 2021 9:20 pm

Roger says:
November 29, 2021 at 6:46 pm

Indeed. He was not warning us about what God was going to do, but man.

In the OT God usually visited his judgment upon the Israelites via other nations.

And He shall do so again in the future Roger at the time called Jacob’s Troubles. As you know, Jacob (Israel) was the father of the thirteen tribes who were and continue to be divided into two groups, the House of Judah – (primarily the Jews of Judah, Levi and half Benjamin) and the House of Israel, also known as the House of Joseph, who represent the other tribes.

The latter group ended up in western Europe, the R1b1a2 people, and at the “ends of the world” in the Anglosphere.

Look and see where the mandatory jabbing, vaxx passports, lock-downs, curfews etc. are occurring, it’s all those places where the Jews and the Joes live. No “no jab-no job” in Mexico, no vaxx passports in Egypt, no curfews in Brazil, this tyranny is directed solely at the descendants of Jacob.

P
P
November 29, 2021 9:22 pm

John Gorton was the real thing. I remember vividly when I was in a change room at David Jones city store when it was announced over the loud speakers that he was chosen to fill the vacancy left by Harold Holt. I was 27yrs old at the time. I thought that it was going to be Hasluck. As it turned out Gorton was indeed the right choice.
To this day I often wonder would Gough have gotten in to power if Gorton had still been PM. Probably, as 24yrs was too long and many MPs were becoming lazy.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
November 29, 2021 9:24 pm

I recognise that homosexuals have something wrong with part of their brains; the same applies to depressives, and quite a lot of others.

It doesn’t follow that they are incapable of rational thought in other respects, and they might well have an affection for traditions. Including rationality.

Ed Case
Ed Case
November 29, 2021 9:24 pm

I asked what you have ever done for the betterment of the public. What you’ve ever done to try to make the country a better place, or help your fellow man. Anything worth noting?

You go first, Keith.

Frank
Frank
November 29, 2021 9:27 pm

It doesn’t follow that they are incapable of rational thought in other respects

True, lots of gay physicists apparently. Disproportionately so.

Dot
Dot
November 29, 2021 9:28 pm

Windows has just updated my laptop and now I can’t seem to retrieve my emails – I use Mozilla Thunderbird with my email account – any ideas, anyone?

Throw it out, get a Windows 7 emulator on whatever machine you get next.

Bar Beach Swimmer
November 29, 2021 9:36 pm

Dot,
?

Old bloke
Old bloke
November 29, 2021 9:42 pm

P says:
November 29, 2021 at 9:22 pm

To this day I often wonder would Gough have gotten in to power if Gorton had still been PM. Probably, as 24yrs was too long and many MPs were becoming lazy.

Gorton voted himself out, he probably viewed McMahon as Abbott viewed Turnbull, and chose to jump ship. McMahon was a hapless leader who lead the Liberals into defeat due to McMahon’s stupidity.

Why on earth did McMahon not abolish conscription when we were out of Vietnam, and when the 18 year-old’s had the vote.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 29, 2021 9:47 pm

Remember him telling Tony Windsor “I’d sell my arse to be Prime Minister, Tony.”

Another of Mr Ed’s “reliable sources”??

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 29, 2021 9:49 pm

Bar Beach Swimmersays:
November 29, 2021 at 9:19 pm
Windows has just updated my laptop and now I can’t seem to retrieve my emails – I use Mozilla Thunderbird with my email account – any ideas, anyone?

I have had endless trouble with the Windows/Thunderbird combination. Now I just use my phone for emails.

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 29, 2021 9:51 pm

Ed Casesays:
November 29, 2021 at 9:24 pm
I asked what you have ever done for the betterment of the public. What you’ve ever done to try to make the country a better place, or help your fellow man. Anything worth noting?

You go first, Keith.

So, nothing?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
November 29, 2021 9:52 pm

Lotsa stuff happening today, by the look.

johanna at 5.18:

Oh, and to the purists upthread, until you are willing to pay the bills of those who stand to lose everything, suggest that you also STFU.

By all means, make your own sacrifices. But demanding that others put their families out on the street for your beliefs is reminiscent of the unpleasant ‘revolutionaries’ in the past who never quite went that far themselves.

An excellent point. It’s almost as if those campaigning the hardest for everyone else to lose their jobs and livelihoods and have the Big Four foreclose on their mortgages are either very comfortable indeed with no requirement to work for an income, or don’t have anything to throw in the bin and burn in the first place.

Exhibit A – Razey at 6.03:

Whether you can afford it or not, if you don’t push back you’re a coward and deserve everything you get.

This, from the punter who not that long ago said he was a bit overwhelmed and just wanted to ‘chill out for a few years’. Either (a) above, or (b) above. I wouldn’t describe unwillingly taking this course of action, against all your ideals so you can feed your children as cowardice. But hey – a little brave internet yappage never hurt, right?

Someone else then opined that people were getting screechy at the screechers:

I like the way that capitulators and their enablers have infinitely more RAGE at people who still haven’t taken the jab yet then they do at their oppressors.

Delta’s brilliant response at 6.57, underlining again that some get caught in the moment and continue to tar all with the same brush, thus creating an unnecessary divide:

Not vaxxed, never will be.

You dope.

Pretty much sums it up.

Bar Beach Swimmer
November 29, 2021 9:53 pm

BJ,
It’s been fine ’til now.

Plasmamortar
Plasmamortar
November 29, 2021 9:53 pm

Throw it out, get a Windows 7 emulator on whatever machine you get next.

I’m too lazy to update, consequently still running windows 7.
I see no reason to upgrade either, everything I need still works fine 🙂

Boambee John
Boambee John
November 29, 2021 9:53 pm

old bloke

McMahon was a hapless leader who lead the Liberals into defeat due to McMahon’s stupidity.

You might even come to call him “Bungles”?

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 29, 2021 9:53 pm

It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged.

Malice quotes that a bit.
Where’s it from?

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 29, 2021 9:57 pm

For Cats with World Movies, there’s a great movie on later tonight called Silence.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0490215/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Zatara
Zatara
November 29, 2021 10:01 pm

The men whom the people ought to choose to represent them are too busy to take the jobs. But the politician is waiting for it. He’s the pestilence of modern times. What we should try to do is make politics as local as possible. Keep the politicians near enough to kick them. The villagers who met under the village tree could also hang their politicians to the tree. It’s terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hung today.

G.K. Chesterson

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 29, 2021 10:04 pm

Thanks zatara & db.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
November 29, 2021 10:04 pm

Victorian politics:

From: BRUCE ATKINSON MLC, Member for Eastern Metropolitan Region, Member of the Legislative Council

I acknowledge and thank you for your email regarding the Public Health and Wellbeing Amendment (Pandemic Management) Bill 2021.

Consistent with the Andrews Labor Government’s contempt of the Parliament, due process and consultation, debate on the committee stage of the bill did not proceed last sitting week.

The committee stage allows consideration of amendments to the bill and would last sitting week have included substantive changes proposed by the Liberal and National parties to the Andrews Government’s pandemic laws.

Just as the Government had rushed through this bill in just 36 hours in the Legislative Assembly with restricted debate, by-passed other formal processes and declared the bill urgent to fasttrack debate and discard damning legal opinions, debate was contemptuously suspended when it became apparent that the bill would be defeated in a final vote.

I share the views of the literally tens if not hundreds of thousands of Victorians who have expressed concern, if not outrage, about the excessive provisions in the pandemic bill as well as the undue haste with which the Premier has sought to rush it through Parliament to limit public scrutiny.

The Labor Government is now targeting two of the minor party MPs, Clifford Hayes and Rod Barton, in an attempt to secure their votes for the legislation.

As you are no doubt aware, the Government negotiated its bill with three minor party MPs over many months; however, there was no discussion with the Liberal Opposition or other crossbench MPs.

Neither the Government or the three MPs, Fiona Patten, Andy Meddick and Samantha Ratnam, were happy to support this appalling bill until the public protests surged and the prospect of its defeat by all other MPs in the Legislative Council became a reality.

Yet again, the Government is now trying to do back room deals rather than debate the bill and the amendments that are proposed to curb the excessive powers sought by the Premier and to strengthen effective oversight.

The Liberal and National parties opposed the legislation in the Legislative Assembly and will propose substantial amendments in the Legislative Council to curtail the excessive powers that the Premier is seeking.

The bill in some form is expected to come back to the Legislative Council next sitting week. It is unknown what concessions or changes the Government might accept to win the votes of Mr Hayes or Mr Barton.

We do need legislation to manage a pandemic situation but my Liberal and National party colleagues and I cannot agree to provide such excessive powers to the Premier and Minister for Health whose commission relies on the Premier’s grace.

Moreover, we cannot agree to the adoption of legislation that so blatantly sidelines the Parliament and fails to provide full transparency and accountability for decisions and actions.

I would hope that the minor party MPs also remain firm in their resolve, taking note of the overwhelming public opposition to this legislation and to legal opinion.

This bill does raise issues around our rights and responsibilities as citizens and the democratic principles we value as Victorians. It is a watershed moment in the Parliament.

I thank you for providing me with your views and I wish you well as we look to move forward after the Covid-19 response which has damaged so many lives and livelihoods.

I hope the debate on the pandemic laws will be resolved next week but that Victorians will not forget the overreach of this Premier let alone the mounting debt now facing Victoria, the corruption proceedings and the override of council planning powers by the Minister for Planning.

I would argue that Victoria cannot afford another four years of this Government!

Yours sincerely

Hon Bruce Atkinson MLC

flyingduk
flyingduk
November 29, 2021 10:06 pm

Does anyone know if these micro-clots cause cognitive problems?

‘Multi-infarct dementia’ is a thing, so probably.

feelthebern
feelthebern
November 29, 2021 10:07 pm

Had a gourmet burger for lunch today.
The beef & the beetroot were of similar dimensions.
Not good.
Not good at all.

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