Open Thread – Mon 6 Dec 2021
2,542 responses to “Open Thread – Mon 6 Dec 2021”
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I seem to be one of those characters who has to learn everything the hard way.
This isn’t such a bad thing.
You sure do remember those lessons.
It’s like doing a night navigation. I’d be the bloke who’s foot found every bloody rabbit hole while others just walked through.
I’d struggle to think of a major life disaster I haven’t blundered into. Car crashes, picking the wrong mates, getting into fist fights, bad investments, wrong chicks.
One thing I’ve learnt is there is nothing to gain from angry and abusive online back and forth.
I’m not playing that game. I won’t do it. ANyonevwho wants to do it with me can play solo, I’m not participating in it. It’s stupid, and only the stupid do it.
If Dover is happy to give me a small corner of my own to play in, and a handful of thoughtful people show up, we’ll, that’s enough for me. -
Mate, you’ve really had enough to stoush. Honest. Would you like a glass of water? Please gamble responsibly. No-one is safe until we are all safe. Can I get you a taxi? We are all in this together. All enemies of the regime will be executed. Hail Hydra.
[In my best, carefully modulated, tone-neutral, smoother-than-the-Lindt-Chocolate-ads Shipping Report voice that makes the luuuuverly laaaaadies all terribly confused…]
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There’s damage control, and there’s people making bad decisions – not necessarily related.
Most modern navies these days train in “NBCD”, which means taking action against nuclear, biological, chemical, and damage threats. In WWII the damage section was mainly fire and flood. So your average sailor learns to fight fires in confined spaces, or for that matter anywhere in the ship. In flood control you want to stop a compartment filling up with seawater, so you use shoring, and plugs, and dams and so on.
From what I’ve read the Japanese were pretty good in these areas, and given their enthusiasm for getting things right I expect they were enthusiastic about it.
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sitting at a bench pulling a lever every couple of seconds is tops as far as work
Strictly speaking, if you take away the incineration risk, dangerous goods, mental fatigue factors and the possibility of losing just about every conceivable appendage to crush or guillotine injury due to a moment’s inattention, that’s exactly what I do to earn a crust.
But I do get to wave to people. And they wave back. 🙂
#EverybodyLovesATrainDriver
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One thing I’ve learnt is there is nothing to gain from angry and abusive online back and forth.
I’m not playing that game. I won’t do it. ANyonevwho wants to do it with me can play solo, I’m not participating in it. It’s stupid, and only the stupid do it.You almost broke the other blog, you delusional fuckwit and now you’re wearing a white robe? Don’t make us laugh. Anyone who is as delusional and a debbie downer like you, who pretends to claim ownership of someone’s property, is a laughable clown. Your comments about economics on the open forum will NEVER go unanswered, because you’re a clown. That’s not negotiable and NEVER will be. Now fuck off back to your own thread. Post a comment about economics that causes dry retching and there will be a response. You ridiculous clownshow.
That is more or less how you speak to other people on those depressive Debbie Downer threads of yours. Don’t like like. Suck dick.
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Now , just to get back to basics.. Mining and farming, but mining more so is the most highly capital intensive industrial sector going. Capital to labor ratio is extremely high which is why firms can afford to pay high wages in that sector.
I’d dare say most countries in the world have one of two sectors they excel in. Farming and mining are our two and they’re at the top in terms of efficiency.
It’s not Nofink!We’re good despite the headwinds created by the organized labor.
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Yeah Rex, I reckon in the end the IJN was just overwhelmed.
In many ways of course.
They made a few bad decisions now and again, but then again wasn’t it Napoleon who said “give me lucky generals” – he meant ones who made their own luck.
I remain puzzled by their attitude towards submarine warfare in that they very often attacked warships. Given many types are specifically designed to sink you, and their people trained to do so, then why do that?
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Regret:
Look how “Lana Rhodes” started life as an aspiring model/actress (could have been yuuuge) under her real name of Amara Maple and ended up “getting injured” so badly she can’t do anal anymore.
That all happened in about 10 years.
My advice for young aspiring wahmen:
Think of Holly Valance or Kristy Hinze, who married very wealthy men.
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Most likely your doctor is a coward!
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Of course, all online abuse is ugly, but one might be tempted to forgive it if it has some wit, a turn of phrase or demonstrates a unique facility with the English language.
Otherwise: meh.Yea. we recall the egg stoush. A real interesting blast wit and the clever use of the english language was superb.
Also, comments of yours relating to economics. Truly, thought-leader stuff.
Frankly, you’re very lucky Dover is easy going. If you had ever claimed ownership of my blog or treated commenters the way you have, you would be metaphorically six feet under by now.
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JC, you been chipped?
Yea once. Actually it was on Driller’s blog. He posted a comment I thought was racist about Indians at the old cat and I then copied and pasted it at his unread blog. He removed the comment and put his blog on moderation after that.
Otherwise, I’ve be never been banned, never had a comment removed anywhere. I’m a good guy.
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for the vaxed only:
after you go to Myers and vax-in
and you’ve done your Chrissy shopping
when you got to leave
be sure to bother the shit outta the door bitch
insist on showing yr pox-port on exit
and when they protest
ask if they’re absolutely sure that you don’t need a pox-port to exitas a parting shot be sure to tell them that the Germans were much better organised
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Can we also ask for evidence of their covid shot?
god forbid some pain in the arse asks me for a pox-port after we go to drag their sorry arses outta trouble.
I will be telling them that they are MY customers and that if they want climate control they better get busy collecting everybody’s pox-ports before we enter.
ever been in a 60 storey building when the condenser water system isn’t working?
be nice to me
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Tom Connell on Sky looks 13. Can we have news from someone that has lived many moons at least?
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I remember this lad I did my apprenticeship with, Christian bloke, softly spoken, friendly.
One day the parent company had a sale on for staff.
He asked me if I wanted to go with him to look.
We both went, and he bought a DTI and I bought a set of Tele gauges, which are still in my garage (which is another story, which I’m not sure I’m going to share or not at this point).
Anyway. Next day back at the factory, I am on the lathe trying to true something up in the 4 jaw chuck, and I remember my mate has a new DTI. So I ask if I can borrow it to true up this thing.
He says, quite reasonably, “Sorry Arky, it’s brand new and I just want to use it myself while it’s still in a good condition”.
“No worries” says I, perfectly happy with that, and thinking his explanation quite reasonable, and I thought no more about it. I go to the stores and get a old shitty one that’s been crashed many times and do the job.
But then, bugger me, that very afternoon, he rocks up and asked me if he can borrow my telegauges.
I feel really put out. How can I lend them to him? If I do it makes me the biggest walkover in the joint.
I say “I want to lend them to you, but you just refused to lend me your DTI, how can I lend you these straight after”?
Poor bastard burst into tears and never spoke tome again. Sometimes I’d approach him and he’d glare at me, really furious.
The lesson here is that the thing that gets people the most irate is when you point out some flaw, hypocrisy or other matter where they fucking well know they’re in the wrong.
People who are in the right don’t usually act like that.
I have another one.
After the joint was closed down and after my apprenticeship, I went to see my old foreman Doug, who was starting his own company.
He put me onto this night shift job saying “This bloke has about six weeks work for someone, wants me to do it, but I’m too busy to take it on”. And he recommended me for it.
It was making all these conveyors for a factory which made and packed bog rolls.
The manager was a bit crazy. As were almost everyone he’d hired there, and I realised why Doug had hand balled it off.
This manager would ask me into the office every few days, go into a long whiteboard presentation of his plans for these conveyors, which were to ensure that if one machine broke down all the little bog rolls could continue to around and around without holding up the other machines.
Eventually he had half the factory taken up with great big loops of these conveyors I was to make.
The pommy guy he had trying to machine the plastic tracks for the conveyor rollers had been at it for weeks with little progress. Until I and the bloke I was to work there with, Matt, pointed out he was running the mill bit backwards.
After a few weeks the manager put me on full time.
Every few days more meetings, whiteboard diagrams of bog rolls winding their way about miles of conveyors, and long explanations of his plans to improve efficiency.
Then, after many weeks, he called me into his office. No explanations, no whiteboard, no long discussions of conveyors.
Nope. He was furious. His face was white with rage. He gave me two weeks notice. He was so mad I didn’t even ask why.
I asked Matt. I asked the foreman. No one knew.
It bugged the hell out of me, because I could not work out what I’d done wrong. Everything I’d made was working fine. The project was almost finished. I hadn’t broken anything, fucked anyone or even put my foot in it like I often do. What the hell?
Then, two days before I was due to finish up there was a new guy in the factory. I asked Matt “Who is that”?
“That’s your replacement, he is the managers nephew”.
Ahhhhhhhh.
Most anger isn’t righteous.
It’s a cover for something.
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I remain puzzled by their attitude towards submarine warfare in that they very often attacked warships. Given many types are specifically designed to sink you, and their people trained to do so, then why do that?
Doctrine. To the very end, the IJN was all about The Decisive Battle.
It had worked for them as a concept since the Battle of Tsushima in 1904, after all.
Aircraft Carriers were originally a subordinate arm to the battlefleet, but quickly moved into the van or even an independent force. But the doctrinal concept was always to seek to bring the enemy’s fleet to a decisive point and break it.
Subs were (like the RN’s original thinking) for flank protection, scouting and opportunistic strikes in support of that main action. The 2 World Wars’ U-bootwaffen and the WW2 US and RN Submarine Services showed that they were (and remain) more effective as an independent weapon and free-ranging escort well in advance of larger task forces.
The battles around the Leyte Gulf and Samar are instances in which the Japanese Decisive Battle concept came to actually work. But what worked in 1900, 1910 and 1920 was utterly obsolescent by 1944, and the Battle of the Surigao Strait was dominated by superior US tactics, technology and training.
Just another example of a fatal flaw ultimately hamstringing an incredibly professional, forward-thinking and audacious service.
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Threatening people on his stupid threads isn’t depression induced or done out of anger if they disagree with the crap posted. It’s righteous.
Making constant dumb attacks against libertarians and not even realising that the argument you’re using is libertarian isn’t dumb. It’s righteous.
Constantly making comments about economics that a plainly dumb isn’t stupid. It’s righteous.
Nothing wrong here at all.
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It had worked for them as a concept since the Battle of Tsushima in 1904, after all.
The primary mission of the battle line, of the United States Navy, up until the outbreak of war, was to sally forth and fight the decisive battle in the Central Pacific, six months after the outbreak of war. After 1935, the relief of the American garrison of the Philippines was no longer their primary mission – a fact of which the Chief of Staff of the American Army was well aware. The Philippines would be left to their fate. My memory fails me – the Chief of Staff of the American Army at that time? What was his name again? Oh, yes, Douglas MacArthur. How could I have forgotten.
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The world today seems absolutely crackers
With nuclear bombs to blow us all sky high
There’s fools and idiots sitting on the trigger
It’s depressing, and it’s senseless, and that’s why…I like Chinese
I like Chinese
They only come up to your knees
Yet they’re always friendly and they’re ready to to pleaseI like Chinese
I like Chinese
There’s nine hundred million of them in the world today
You’d better learn to like them, that’s what I sayI like Chinese
I like Chinese
They come from a long way overseas
But they’re cute, and they’re cuddly, and they’re ready to pleaseI like Chinese food
The waiters never are rude
Think of the many things they’ve done to impress
There’s Maoism, Taoism, I Ching and chessI like Chinese
I like Chinese
I like their tiny little trees
Their Zen, their ping-pong, their ying and yang-ezeI like Chinese thought
The wisdom that Confucius taught
If Darwin is anything to shout about
The Chinese will survive us all without any doubtSo, I like Chinese
I like Chinese
They only come up to your knees
Yet they’re wise, and they’re witty, and they’re ready to pleaseMore at….https://genius.com/Monty-python-i-like-chinese-lyrics
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In NZ, They really have women with balls in charge.
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Frank:
Is that the rods from god thing?
Yes, but someone did the calculations and worked out a 20 ton steel projectile with terminal boosters dropped from a large aircraft ?B52 at about 60,000 feet and accelerated to 90,000 feet would have a very similar yield to the one in orbit at about 10% of the cost.
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Went and got my shot.
Sitting in the cubicle waiting the obligatory 15 minutes (seething with anger), I see a youngish lady pass mine and enter the cubicle beside me. Tried not to eaves drop, but the acoustics are terrible in those places.
Nurse:
“You’re here for your second shot?”Lady:
“Yes, had my first on XX/XX/21”Nurse:
“How’d it go?”Lady:
“Had serious heart palpitations and the like. Ended up having to have ECGs, etc, but they’ve cleared me for the second one, so here I am.”Nurse:
“That’s great. I can’t help but notice you’re pregnant. First trimester I assume?”Lady:
“Yeah.”Nurse:
“Congratulations, that’s fantastic. You’re gonna love it. OK, you’ll feel a small prick…”Honestly, me, of all people, sitting there listening to this shit. I seriously couldn’t make it up. After just listening to a nurse (and doctor) tell me how exceedingly rare heart issues are with this shot.
These people are insane. They advise against soft cheeses, cleaning out litter trays, drinking, smoking, etc, but they’ll inject pregnant women with shit that causes them heart disruptions? If it’s doing something to her heart, what’s it doing to the kid?
We live in a clown world. We’re just missing the red noses and big shoes.
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After just listening to a nurse (and doctor) tell me how exceedingly rare heart issues are with this shot.
Stress, Mater, its the problem. That’s what the Experts say. Nothing whatever to do with a known heart inflammation producing vaccine, nothing at all.
Doctors: UK Faces Up to 300,000 New Heart Condition Cases – Due to ‘Post-Pandemic Stress Disorder’ (7 Dec)
“Senior doctors in London say Britain faces a time-bomb of up to 300,000 new patients with heart conditions – which they attribute to “post-pandemic stress disorder”.
“I’ve seen a big increase in thrombotic-related vascular conditions in my practice. Far younger patients are being admitted and requiring surgical and medical intervention than prior to the pandemic,” said senior vascular surgeon Tahir Hussain, who works at Northwick Park Hospital, a major National Health Service (NHS) general hospital managed by the London North West University Healthcare NHS Trust.”
How odd. I remember when stress caused ulcers. They sold lots and lots of useless nostrums to not treat it for years and years, and pilloried Marshall for telling the truth.
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Mater says:
December 8, 2021 at 6:56 am
Went and got my shot.
BTW, sick as a fucking dog.Sorry to hear it Mater.
Lots of older people I know asking why they should get Pfizer as a booster when they were OK with the AZ shot.
They also wonder why they need it at all as their immunity is unknown and unchecked.
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Lots of older people I know asking why they should get Pfizer as a booster when they were OK with the AZ shot.
The virus vector approach can’t be used for boosters because, ironically, you become immune to the virus vector. But you must never risk getting a mild Covid infection and causing immunity to Covid.
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are teachers on strike in NSW?
Yep. They want moah money.
Nearly 400 schools closed due to mass teachers strike expected to return on Wednesday (Skynews. 7 Dec)
Bus drivers have gone on strike too. They also want moah money.
NSW Education and Transport Ministers hit out at unions over widespread industrial action (Skynews, 7 Dec)
Train drivers too, but not over moah money. I suspect the root cause for them is the removal of guards, and in cases like the new metro, drivers too.
Christmas in a fortnight and an election in the new year. Funny how this works.
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Mater:
These people are insane. They advise against soft cheeses, cleaning out litter trays, drinking, smoking, etc, but they’ll inject pregnant women with shit that causes them heart disruptions? If it’s doing something to her heart, what’s it doing to the kid?
You’re right – that’s insane.
Hopefully.
If they are insane then there’s a reason for their malevolence.
But I don’t think they are insane.
They’re in some crazy inverted world where bad is good, evil is kindness, and common sense fled the arena.
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All well with the QR but then told that the baby was unregistered and then had to fill out paperwork so the baby could enter the surgery with them.
So it begs the question, when they mandate jabbing the 5-11 year olds, are we expected to buy them mobile phones, do we laminate their vaccine certificate and hang it around their necks, or do we create a patch to sew on their cute little jumpers?
I would have mentioned tattoos and microchips, but I don’t want to give them ideas.
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By believing their actions are good and just. That they are on the side of righteousness. That whatever the blips may be, what they do is for the greater good.
When you find yourself in this headspace, any action can be justified, and no remorse can ever be felt.
This.
When I seriously questioned one of the senior nurses doing this, she told me that she was holding back “Armageddon”.That is one serious God complex.
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They’re in some crazy inverted world where bad is good, evil is kindness, and common sense fled the arena.
Long history of heretics being burned at stake to “save” them. The Bible says nothing of that sort of thing. Passages like Titus 3:10 and Matthew 5:44 are quite clear on general principle. Yet the powers that be absolutely hate being defied and their natural reaction is always “if they won’t do what we tell them they must be forced to do it”. Massive hubris, massive ego, no conception that they may actually be the ones who are wrong.
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I made that observation about pregnant women months ago, and I hope with all my heart that no harm comes to those little ones from the vax. I haven’t seen any research about the substances crossing the placental barrier, it’s probably something that researchers won’t touch with a barge pole at present.
There was some information about spontaneous abortion that Lizzie took issue with because she thought the information and extrapolation was flawed. One thing is certain – still births and birth defects can’t be hidden for long. If it is to happen, it will happen soon.
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When the realisation hits, it’s like a freight train. You mention the Bible, Bruce, and I think of Pharaoh, King David and Saint Paul. All doing what they imagined was right, or exercising their right.
We’re all like that though, dressing up our flawed thinking with fancy clothes and attitudes. I can justify crackpot stuff as easily as those nurses.
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Adding on to my earlier story Calli, the young woman with the baby is pregnant again and according to her husband was told by the doctor that the coming baby possibly wouldn’t need a jab as the Covid vaccine was passed on by Mum.
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rosiesays:
December 8, 2021 at 6:46 am
Australian bitcoin billionaireso wait.. he defended having to give away $50B of bitcoins that he hasn’t yet proved he owns?
A Florida jury on Monday found that Wright did not owe half of 1.1m bitcoins to the family of David Kleiman. …
At the centre of the trial were 1.1m bitcoins, worth approximately $50bn based on Monday’s prices. These were among the first bitcoins to be created through mining and could only be owned by a person or entity involved with the digital currency from its beginning such as bitcoin’s creator, Satoshi Nakamoto.
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Now the cryptocurrency community will be looking to see if Wright follows through on his promise to prove he is the owner of the bitcoins. Doing so would lend credence to Wright’s claim, first made in 2016, that he is Nakamoto. -
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From what I’ve read the Japanese were pretty good in these areas, and given their enthusiasm for getting things right I expect they were enthusiastic about it.
Yet, compare the four Japanese carriers at Midway with Bunker Hill and Franklin at Okinawa. All six had raging fires, involving armed and fuelled aircraft. Two were saved, and after emergency repairs, sailed home under their own power. The other four were all lost.
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It’s quite well known that volunteer firefighters are sometimes the arsonists who set the fire. It’s understood that they do so because they like the adulation and worship they get as the hero who helped save the day.
I sometimes wonder if some nurses don’t suffer a similar affliction. Whilst they don’t cause the issue, the hero worship and adulation doesn’t provide an incentive to assess or report the situation accurately, either.
Some (clearly not all) thrive on being mounted on a white horse and saving the day. The stories (usually with them as the central hero) constantly abound, and not just during Covid either. After years of it, I just roll my eyes. It’s like clockwork.
I see it as unhealthy when health workers should be rational, considered and unerringly honest. The banging of pots and pans for the NHS, the ‘flatten the curve’ to save the ‘essential’ healthcare sector, and the tik-tok videos, didn’t help this mental glitch.
That some of them don’t want the crisis to end, is no real surprise to me.
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Matersays:
December 8, 2021 at 6:12 am
Went and got my shot.Sitting in the cubicle waiting the obligatory 15 minutes (seething with anger), I see a youngish lady pass mine and enter the cubicle beside me. Tried not to eaves drop, but the acoustics are terrible in those places.
You may be seething with anger, but the .Gov has broken you. There’s no going back, you will simply accept all their mandates, regardless of what they are.
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They obviously want to start early with the compliance training. If they live to adulthood, that is.
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TheLastRefuge
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Much like Anthony Fauci writing actual letters to Hillary Clinton professing his love for her, this too is representative of people who are not stable minded.Stable people of professional constitution, do not do this stuff for public view.
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From what I’ve read the Japanese were pretty good in these areas, and given their enthusiasm for getting things right I expect they were enthusiastic about it.
But they had a massive cultural blindspot which is why at PH they concentrated on the battleships and did not send in any torpedo planes in the second wave to damage dock infrastructure and get the support ships.It’s why fighter pilots let bombers through so that they could tangle with the fighter escorts, it’s why their subs didn’t go for supply ships, it’s why , it’s why damage control wasn’t a priority.
In the video I linked yesterday, Drach makes the point the US were anal about learning lessons from their failures. At Coral Sea a DC officer on the Yorktown saw what happened to Lexington, understood what happened, made a report and recommendation and within weeks equipment to purge fuel lines with inert gases was being installed and before Midway it was doctrine to purge fuel lines.
Prior to WW2 the US, and others, underestimated the skill and inventiveness of the Japanese. I hope we are not doing the same when it comes to China.
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Got a problem with junkies and alcoholics?
Stop calling them junkies and alcoholics.
And why not?
Rebranding islamic terrorists as religiously motivated extremists
meant there were no more islamic terrorists.
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