SBS world movies good too. Apart from the never ending ads begging for money for the “starving” millions.
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Does anyone understand the current hysterics about the stabbing video?JC, it’s nothing to do with the stabbing. It’s all about…
SMH lifts the lid ever so slightly. Magistrates aren’t available on weekends in Dubbo for bail hearings. Why? Because most…
Wouldn’t even raise an eyebrow in Victoriastan.
Ha ha. It may well be policy if the Bruin Party gets up. Vote 1 Bruin.
And Fats,
I do respect your claim to being an engineer.
Bluddee hell, Rex -“the stuff” being what exactly, I asks ya?
Rabz says:
December 12, 2021 at 5:31 pm
Indeed. I reckon half the Dire Straits back catalogue is inspired by Holly Vincent, and not just the obvious.
JC says:
December 12, 2021 at 5:59 pm
Fats
Cohenite – I was the one who “criticised” John H – all he was doing at the time was cutting & pasting excerpts from medical journals – so unless one was prepared to spend a few years at Uni doing medical studies, it was rather pointless.
Fats, with due respect, but we have people here liking to Karl Denninger and something called Team Tucker Carlson as evidence for scientific claims, yet you’re berating John H for linking to medical journals? Dude, come on.
Yeah JC – just cutting & pasting slabs of medical jargon without a simplified explanation really works.
Your comments on financial thingies are easy to follow – is that too much to ask of other contributors here?
We saw it outside of Denmark. Pfizer’s own study found a 40% increase in infection v unvaxxed in first two weeks. This is precisely why numerous reporting agencies across the world exclude people in first two or three weeks from first dose category. Even the Swedish large cohort study that indicates declining VE from the third month onwards truncate the first two weeks from their figures.
What about you? Otherwise they ain’t getting my vote.
You mean run? After Anning got booted I invested time and money with the Latham branch of PHON. The SFF are evanescent. I spoke to one of their organisers at a Plimer talk (which like everything he does was excellent) and I couldn’t get a straight answer about alarmism, or guns. Kelly is good but big clive is a worry. And I don’t think the LDP has enough profile, unless head prefect dusts off his loafers and makes a swaddle for them.
But this is dream talk. Because you don’t talk about parties but the punters. And right now, although disenfranchisement is growing with the liars and lnp, they still are the only base choice for the punters.
Split Enz in their heyday did the same, but it was more generalised.
To paraphraze – “Oh to be young on a Saturday night and off one’s face on various chemical substances … ”
The first 20 years of this century were awesome, peoples. 🙂
We now exist in some bizarre collectivist vision of Hell – laden as it is, with hideously uglee monsters (BIRM). 🙁
Never underestimate the rank opportunism of politicians and grifters. And that’s just a subset of the axis of greed and duplicity surrounding Covid.
It has ousted a US President, installed a demented imbecile, funnelled vast sums of money into the pockets of the largest companies, and drawn back the curtain on what was once the behind-the-scenes shenanigans of unelected oligarchs and assorted @rseholic parasites.
It has also ushered in a new level of propaganda and suppression not seen since the cold war.
Even here we’ve had commenters fairly salivating over the future deaths of those who have, for their own private reasons (and they are legion), been jabbed. And still expecting to sway others to their thinking. Anyone voicing the mildest objection is anathema.
My own view is that the pandemic was a Pandora’s Box just waiting to be opened, and out of it flew all the worst things that people can possibly be – rank hypocrisy, greed, opportunism, cruelty, lust for power to name a few. It still continues, fanned by the media and those with the most to gain from its prolongation.
Rather than casting about for the tiddlers who may have strayed from the received wisdom of every mainstream and fringe internet site, it might be best to focus on the obvious – who benefits? The list is long.
Yikes! That was a big rant.
Better get dinner going.
calli says:
December 12, 2021 at 6:14 pm
Ah, yes. That tendency also came up in this morning’s sermon, as posted above. Love first being the antidote. Is is we need reminding, ’cause we do. 🙂
NKP – I’m not having it – this is a love song:
Gritty, dirty and in black and white* …
*With three chords and that li’l D thang
Oh. And so you don’t think I’m altogether pessimistic in outlook, the last thing to fly out of the Box was Hope.
My hope rests in something far more secure than a Greek legend, but there it is, shining and newly minted. It won’t fade or fail.
If only Pandora had been like Penelope and kept her idle hands busy with some sewing…but that would be another story. 😀
Sincere question: is this how the results for other injections are treated in health statistics (here or abroad)? If so, then perhaps the ‘no effective dose’ answer is correct. I’m open to that. On the other hand, if the Kung Flu injections are being treated differently in the stats, then my own existing suspicions would be even stronger.
Someone here probably knows.
Dover’s overlapping post, above, reminded me of the Australian experience. But I don’t know how other countries treat this. The national stats agencies all talk to each other, so I’d expect a consensus to emerge over time.
(As a side note, one need only look at employment and inflation statistics to see an massive worldwide conspiracy to hide the truth. It’s a lot more common than you think.)
Shinee, Shinee, Shinee boots of leather – stomping on a human face, for evah*!
*Trigger warning – do not listen to this song if you are disillusioned about the human condition. Such as it is.
join the beer lines mate.
Australia’s big brewers ration beer supplies, but insist shortages won’t affect Christmas
Telling it, as she does, again.
Few things poss me off than wilful ignorance.
To make it worse these sort are the most strident.
I can’t seem to shake the feeling that ”Rosie” is Steve from Brisbane.
If not, then maybe his sister.
Fair enough. In my opinion he’s the best science contributor here as he doesn’t try to post crap that just aligns with bias.
Piss not poss.
How can wordcheck change like that?
Deplorable unclean scum of the Earth news.
Thousands turn out in NSW, Victoria, Queensland and Tasmania to protest against vaccine mandates (Sky News, 12 Dec)
I hope none of the Melbourne marathon participants died of sudden heart attacks.
calli says:
December 12, 2021 at 6:22 pm
Oh. And so you don’t think I’m altogether pessimistic in outlook, the last thing to fly out of the Box was Hope.
My family has been vaxxed – and trying to have a rational discussion about it gets me the following question “Which University did you get your doctor’s degree from?” It goes downhill from there.
I really hope things work out ok because if any of my family die from these “vaccines”, I’m not sure my Christian upbringing will hold out. Like others have said – I just want to be left alone.
Slab.
Imagine, if you dare, a squarish lump of something that resembles silken tofu, with the consistency and taste of window sealant rubber, sufficient calories to keep the average human being powered for a considerable period of time and is all but impervious to the degradation and decay one might expect of any organic foodstuff.
Now picture it as a standard staple foodstuff. Which, along with harsh, chemical-tasting water forms the only rations you are likely to reliably get during campaigns against foes the lowliest of which leave you and all the technological marvels you field as being woefully outclassed at best.
Pity the Guardsman, Rabz. He’s only carved out and held a Galaxy-spanning empire from all comers for some 40,000 years…
Heroes. Every. Last. Damned. One.
Yep. Ordinary people who aren’t being pressured by a crowd are a lot more forgiving of an honest mistake than a deception. I reckon a chap would get a fair few votes if he simply said “I’ll end up making at least a few mistakes, but I’ll be honest when I do.”
Yeah, no.
This monstrous hitlerist idiocy has messed with many peoples’ heads. No one wants to see or is advocating for this, calli – if that’s any consolation.
If only we could get back to 2019. Except that we cannot.
I want the vile quisling cockheads responsible administered lengthy public floggings, prior to being hanged from their necks until dead, followed by the very righteous implementation of HOP Time.
Pour encourager les autres …
Then, and only then, we can all get some sleep. 🙂
And what did Pfizer say? I don’t understand why you believe it’s out of bounds to think there are other factors at play. Take Victoria for instance. We had very little vaccination until covid infections began to climb. You’re arguing that the infection climb ( even with the small number in Victoria compared to the rest of the world) and the much increased immunization rate were related. They were related because some immunized people were prone to getting covid within the period you suggest they’re vulnerable. I’m just not buying it without much further evidence.
Also
I’ve had the flu shot as late as July and as early as January.
Not a chance.
Rosie is far too incisive, even-handed, open-minded and unafraid to stick to her guns.
Stepford resorts to decrying everyone who disagrees with him as bigots and wingnuts as a tactic of first resort.
Read from top to bottom this thread, if you have the stomach. He’s great fun to trigger, but the snarling arsehole underneath is not nice to witness…
https://catallaxy.wpengine.com/2021/09/liberal-institutionalism/
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It’s true actually. I had Hallward-the-aviator chortling that when I died from the shot the c..t would buy some avgas fly down and piss on my grave. Buying avagas… the last of the big spenders.. FMD.
Rabz says:
December 12, 2021 at 6:36 pm
I want the vile quisling cockheads responsible administered lengthy public floggings, prior to being hanged from their necks until dead, followed by the very righteous implementation of HOP Time.
Rabz – crucifixion is preferable to hanging. Even a botched hanging is over in 5/10 mins or so.
Crucifixion takes days – and can be arranged so people can fling dog shit & other goodies at them over that period. And don’t forget the on-going ticket sales…
Guys, you must know by now that I want nothing but good for all of you. Even the ones who give me the sh*ts. Probably them most of all. 😀
I’m watching my friends start lining up for “boosters”, all full of trust for the government because they know best. My parents will be next. Watching the fear in the eyes of people who should know better but don’t. Even this morning I had a comment about “being in Sydney” as if it was a plague ravaged hellhole*.
There are times I just don’t recognise my own country any more.
*that may be true, particularly around glitter and sequins time
Fats
Cut John H a little slack. He’s good value on the whole. We all can’t be perfect creatures like you and me.. more me than you though 🙂
Nah, that was stix.
That’s because it wasn’t his Horses, it was Rickie Lee Jones’ song of a mother to her child, and Braithwaite took it as a sex song and avoided every opportunity to give Ricki credit for ‘his’ awards for it.
Rickie Lee Jones – Horses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elmaK9MOuE0
Crispy fried meatballs.
NSW train workers demand shorts on job (Sky News, 11 Dec)
“Growing concerns about heat stress.” They’re striking Tuesday. When is Christmas again?
(After Rex’s comment about Slab I had some fun looking up various iron rations and pemmicans, and came across deep fried Rocky Mountain Oysters. They’re a thing.)
Unbelievable. This went for 4.3 million at auction, according to the the AFR.
Non oil commods are looking like they’re in trouble. I think the Aussie is going to take it right up the rear end if real estate is going to hold up in Australian dollar terms. China’s building and construction is going to tank.
They were related because some immunized people were prone to getting covid within the period you suggest they’re vulnerable.
JC, look at the Australian vaxxed versus infections charts side by side, two relatively small waves of infection, no vax present. These two waves would presumably represent the “natural” ebb and flow of a round of infections. Then vax’s start being administered. When vaxed numbers hit between 70 and 80%, infections take off, in a huge way that exceeds the previous waves by a factor of roughly 4.
Something is terribly wrong.
If you didn’t know a thing about the data or what it was associated with you would readily conclude that the chart representing vaccinations is causative to the chart representing infections.
Extreme Leftist arrggghhhh … but hell the lad could deliver a song …
DAAS – Throw Your Arms Around Me (2003)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1fy9HY4gmE
Yep.
As someone said about Nazi collaborators –
They were always among us; the Nazis just gave them the opportunity to show themselves.
The Last Chance Texaco, Rickie Lee Jones
[with some wonderful stills]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr34YVFkj_I
Great analysis earlier Calli. I hope Cassie will be back soon too.
Rick
I accept this could be a problem, but one danish study or the tag team thing going on with higher vax rates and more covid may not be simple cause and effect. Look, I’m open to any decent interpretation though with decent evidence.
Crucifixion takes days – and can be arranged so people can fling dog shit & other goodies at them over that period. And don’t forget the on-going ticket sales…
Not to mention the merchandising. Do I get the kids the Dickhead Dan Crucifixion Day 1 or Day 2 doll?! Heck I’ll get them both!!
At least 20% of the Australian adult population would fall into that category. All 10% of the greens and perhaps 1/2 the liars party.
unless they’re MDs the answer would be, “same place as yours mate”
if they are MD’s, my question to them would be, “What was your PhD thesis on?”
JC says:
December 12, 2021 at 6:43 pm
Fats
Cut John H a little slack. He’s good value on the whole. We all can’t be perfect creatures like you and me.. more me than you though ?
Oi JC – I bet there’s more of me than you…. 🙂
You know, trading the aussie over the past two or three weeks, it feels so freaking heavy that it would be scary to be long. Every rally has been met with truly vicious selling. If non-oil commods are also heavy, the Aussie could end up with the 20% clipping.
Just thinking out loud.
“Which University did you get your doctor’s degree from?”
well doctors aren’t biochemists or microbiologists either.
my Son’s father in law is a MD.
waiting for the boy to pull the higher authority card from the Uno (fallacy edition) deck.
I’ll get him to ask “the higher authority” how many covid patients he’s treated.
reckon we all know exactly what that number will be
?”
Harvard and Yale… specialist in psychiatry. That’s why I can peg loons for 5 miles away up wind.
My cardio has a phd in microbiology.
Ncl recalcitrants, reprobates and neanderthals.
MORE THAN 6,000 PEOPLE PROTEST COVID-19 VACCINES IN NEWCASTLE (Ncl local news, 12 Dec)
Craig Kelly was there and made some good comments. Good on the Ncl NBN lady for recording and reporting what he said.
There was a recent chunk cyber attack on some QLD coal power plants. This act addresses such issues. Timely, eh.
Cyber security of plant control systems has been a hot topic for about 10 years. If the chunks could carry out a successful attack, a whole department needs firing.
If we were ever invaded by China we’d see some revelations.
Thankfully it’s unlikely.
But they’re still among us.
touche JC
Bluddee hell – this has inspired more philosophasising … 😕
Sydneystan is not a place – it is ‘a way of being’. There are so many things I love about it:
The big blue skys
The harbour on a Saturday morning
The bay run
The endless traffic jams
The stinky public transport
The CBD
That unique green on a Summer’s evening
The cute, cuddly li’l inner city
The pubs and their pool tables
The goils, from all over this planet
That it’s your birth right – there is no where else on this continent I would like to live.
If that makes me a bad personage, then so be it.
The smell of the bush Rabz
The Manly ferry
I quoted it. Pfizer study had 40% more infections in the vaxx group first week following jab v placebo. The Danish found a doubling of infection v unvaxxed. You can guarantee Pfizer tortured the data to get it down to 40%. I really don’t know what more I can do.
More deplorables.
THOUSANDS GATHER FOR PROTEST IN COFFS HARBOUR (Ncl local news, 12 Dec)
Check out the lady at 0:09 and what she’s holding. An actual Cat-onna-stick!!
I am most impressed.
miltonf says:
December 12, 2021 at 7:07 pm
The smell of the bush Rabz
Phrasing!!
I’m impressed with the ex-cop.
Might be a good candidate for UAP.
Just so as Cats know, I mean a real and very well known Cat: a denizen of this and previous editions of Catallaxy. He looks excellent as a protest sign, onna stick. In Coffs Harbour. Wow.
Milts – forgot about the Ferries – the only ones I’ve used recently were the Manly one (to get to my sister’s place) and an inner west one (to get to a certain Catette’s place). 🙂
Craig Kelly MP Live
https://twitter.com/CraigKellyMP/status/1469839049888133121
Doesn’t matter.
If I am going to suffer the spectacle of a bunch of people loudly and clumsily (drunkenly?) trying to sing along to something in a public place, far better it be Throw Your Arms Around Me, You’re The Voice or even Sadie the Cleaning Lady to any Daryls.
I know you seem to think I am the Debbil-debbil incarnate because I laugh and poke fun at some of your more off-the-wall ambits, SRR, but I do have standards…
Bollocks.
Practically everything the Spark drivers in NSW operate is air-conditioned. Has been since the coming of the K-, C- and V-sets in the late 1970s.
The last of the non-AC trainsets were retired in 2019.
The RTBU has been up in arms over the newest Hyundai trains coming out, because they are allegedly too big for the loading gauge. And on top of that, it’s EBA time. So every Public Servant in NSW is clamouring for biggish pay rises.
Extra uniform options is just a Distraction Squirrel showing a little extra ankle…
Ahahaha! Riccardo-on-a-stick.
More please.
—————————-
Seriously, if COVID has been endemic since early 2019 (or before), this is the greatest hoax of all time.
Two years of no to little economic growth (or worse), months of doing no work for home, PS pay rates ought to be frozen until 2030.
Man UTD defender with heart problems.
Coincidence.
Rex S sets got crew cab air con in the mid noughties
and R and L!
Man UTD.
Heart issues.
Coincidence.Again.
Righty-O.
Shorts Distraction Squirrel confirmed.
Thanks Miltonf.
And all those poor bats and pangolins died for nothing. 🙁
incoherent rambler says:
December 12, 2021 at 10:36 am
No.
This is our problem and we have to solve it ourselves.
Waiting for a big brother to fight for us is a strategy in which we learn only helplessness.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/sars-cov-2s-spread-was-the-virus-circulating-in-europe-before-it-was-found-in-china
It is referenced and linked so no “fact checking” or “citations needed” you spergy soy mouth tofu lovers.
…
Still looks like Espanol in March 2019 was the earliest known cases on Europe.
Pandemics lasting 33 months, with vaccines available for the last seven of those.
This is a bloody joke.
From Brazil – computer hackers have wiped all the vaccine records of every Brazilian …
A truly wonderful thang …
I cannot condone illegal behaviour.
I do doubt that a jury would convict, however, but also consider that we should have “jury nullification” as a right.
S Set were the bestbefore they lost their Beclawat windows!
Watching Rogan clips now.
I forgot Tim Kennedy declared that water boarding isn’t torture.
“The rack wasn’t torture, otherwise it would have been called a torture machine.”
That’s a highly polished argument, from a highly polished, very, very smooth brain.
No worries.
So that’s the Wuhan Lab Origin Theory out the winda.
So, what Bioweapon was engineered at Wuhan [on behalf of Fort Detrick, because U.S. Law forbids it]?
Ans. The fucking Vaccine[s].
Dover
What do you make of the last sentence, the one I highlighted for you that if correct invalidates your assertion?
And to repeat by paraphrasing:
Your own linked excerpt says there is substantial anecdotal evidence that the people who tested positive after the shot was attributed to exposure prior to the vaccination.
Also these were `400 people, which is a startling small number to form any conclusion.
Seriously, if COVID has been endemic since early 2019 (or before), this is the greatest hoax of all time.
I bet you Werribee are dumping their retained samples as we speak.
Could be an interesting FOI request/ angle for LDP / UAP to take.
If it was here in 2019, my guess it was, probably more so than Spain given proximity to Chunkland. Then it’s definitely retribution time.
Every single fucker that lead this or went along with this gets to stand in front of a bullet marked brick wall for their turn.
I can. It depends on the law. As has been pointed out, what the Nazis did was legal.
From Brazil – computer hackers have wiped all the vaccine records of every Brazilian …
Australian hackers, if you can’t turn a government built database inside out in 48 hours you’re shit.
Here is the The Conversation article.
https://theconversation.com/was-coronavirus-really-in-europe-in-march-2019-141582
Sewage samples from Spain, dated 12 March 2019 – tested positive for COVID.
If it was around in the west in 2019 why did people only start dying in numbers in 2020?
Oh and wait and see re Brazil; the article I read the data was backed up, and the hackers were demanding a ransom.
Actually it was later declared illegal on the basis that it was so immoral.
It wouldn’t shock me. I had a bout of flu in early 2019 that I will never forget. It was multiples worse than anything I have had before. Curiously, tamiflu the home visit doc gave me didn’t work. It lasted almost 2 weeks. I’ll never forget that one and it came right over the flu vaccine.
Fuck off and suck on a pangolin’s needle, Grigory.
Cohenite et al:
Is there a reason we aren’t retaliating over this and other attacks?
Came back from Adelaide to Sydney left 330am .No one at border at Pinnaroo 630am best cheap petrol at Ouyen $1.33. And SA have the gaul to put everyone on from NSW , ACT and Vic on level 3. Because Moronic virus
Everything I’ve been made to do fully vaxxed can be done by any unvaccinated person.
And country folk I’ve met via service stations are all government compliant they won’t help you.
If it was around in the west in 2019 why did people only start dying in numbers in 2020?
Take your covid blinkers off and just look at total mortality.
Dot – I think the problem is that the PCR tests on sewage are wound up as high as is possible. The reports we get about Covid-in-sewage here seem fairly laughable.
Add that omicron looks like a cold virus which is pinging the PCR test, rather than being a mutated Covid. It seems more like what the Chinks used to make Covid from. Which would explain why the “vaccines” have so little effect against it…and why it is so harmless in reality.
JCsays:
December 12, 2021 at 8:08 pm
Interesting. So did I after flying to Townsville to check on my property after the floods. Diagnosed Influenza A after a swab and found out from the Doc it was rampant in the ‘ville after the flooding. Qld Health had apparently flagged it as a concern. Same result, I was bedridden for a week. I hadn’t been like that since I was a child from the flu.
Observations of Mongyang.
Went down to where the beautiful people were to get a kebab for dinner. Nelson Parade in Williamstown. Houso flats nearby but no housos.
Cars promenading. Very late model Mercs, Audis, Mustangs, a Porsche or two, restored two door Chargers and a very early Fairmont, and one immaculate Cadillac driven (without power steering, I might add) by a young bloke with a tasty piece in the passenger seat – just as God intended.
Talent as far as the eye could see, and it was a warm-for-Mongyang evening. Talent trying not to look stunning, but knowing they are. Talent that gives the impression it’s unreachable, but you know they’re merely a couple of espresso martinis away from a bit of at-venue delight.
Masks. Worn by some staff in the restaurants and shops, but nowhere near all, and the ones that were with very few exceptions had them around the front of the chin and not over the gob.
Human nature will prevail over this monstrous series of events.
“Amplified” is the term, I believe.
To eleventy.
Is there a reason we aren’t retaliating over this and other attacks?
One of our suppliers got hit, they reported it through the Federal system and were blithely told that they were one of 500 for the day. This was 2 years ago.
Still looks like Espanol in March 2019 was the earliest known cases on Europe.
Follow up tests found yuan contamination of the samples.
callisays:
December 12, 2021 at 6:15 pm
Yikes! That was a big rant.
But a good one!
Went down to where the beautiful people were to get a kebab for dinner. Nelson Parade in Williamstown. Houso flats nearby but no housos.
Would have been perfect there today, did you go for a walk along the pier?
Follow up tests found yuan contamination of the samples.
Possible, but for a lab with known for being shit for years, only having one leak is highly unlikely.
White Christmas has just started on GEM
Ahem – “gerbil worming” 😕
32 years and counting, FFS …
The reports we get about Covid-in-sewage here seem fairly laughable.
The Mongs shut down an entire industrial area in Sunshine for a week over a positive PCR test in a pumping station.
This is the danger of idiots with a testing regime. Testing should be used to confirm or disprove a theory, not used like a shotgun because fuck knows what you will find.
No, this is not Bozo and the Lads – but it is some serious R ‘n’ R … 🙂
Pretty decent coverage of the Mongbourne protest:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TnnU0RVDrZ4
It wouldn’t shock me. I had a bout of flu in early 2019 that I will never forget.
Ditto ..! I went down with, what i thought was, Flu, November 2019, worst I’ve ever had and I’m 73 and have had Flu at least twice a year for the previous dozen or so …. bedridden for 6 days & close on 10 days before I was back on my feet .. so sick I had to get my youngest to feed the dog & cats cos I couldn’t stay on my feet more than coupla minutes at a time …. Never, ever had it sooo bad so reckon that was the biginnings of BAT FLU .. since then the worst I’ve had is several bouts of the sniffles .. nuttin’ else .. !
Hey, Goil – Speed your love to me 🙂
If I was forced to have sex with that Lambie thing, i’d amputate my dick.
Well, hers at least.
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold.
Cockys would be struggling to find anything to complain about at the moment. Possibly their tax bill but there should be some carried forward losses to take care of that. And possibly a new Landcruiser to fully write down.
Step on up … 🙂
Clown world.
https://news.sky.com/story/ban-on-trophy-hunting-imports-from-endangered-animals-to-be-introduced-in-uk-12491433
A conservationist could come to Australia, shoot up a storm, help the farmers and our endangered native animals; no trophies allowed because childish adults care more about CeCiL tHe LiOn than actual conservationism.
The UK is now a pathetic mockery of itself.
The knee has still not been taken, hitlerists! 🙂
We’ve got Trophy Animals?
Would you mount a Camel’s Head or use it as a novelty ashtray?
The Bradfields had natural ventilation. Driver sat on a stool with both doors open, broad brimmed shunters hat on, sweat rag around the neck, and a ciggie dangling from the lower lip.
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rickw,
Didn’t get to the pier, no. Looked at it though.
A nice bit of town. Surrounded by shit, naturally, but there you go.
Hey, Pol – the CL has posited that this continent could be filled (populated?) with hippos, lions, giraffes, rhinos, cheetahs, bison* and various other african creatures and we wouldn’t even know it.
Not thinking it’s a bad idea. As the Infidel Tigger used to opine – “This is the world’s largest sheltered workshop for silly useless mammals”.
*Not the ones in the Nothing Territorah.
This one:
Why would that invalidate the thesis that the vaxx makes you more susceptible in the first two weeks post 1 st dose?
The claim re prior exposure would apply to the placebo group as well and yet the vaxxed group is 40% higher. Also, the sample isn’t 400, they are just the number of positive cases in the vaxxed group out of the thousands that are part of the trial.
Those in the Eastern Wheatbelt, who were clobbered by the frost, might disagree. We were looking at the best harvest in twenty years, two nights of five degrees below zero scuppered that one..
LOL
We should give the Arctic and Antarctic animals an exchange programme.
They’d go feral in each other’s domain and become stable populations in both.
The Roses remain eternal … 🙂
Penguins 0 : polar bears 1.
Temporarily.
Those are Buffalo, squire.
The difference is you can’t wash your hands in one…
Diogenessays:
December 12, 2021 at 9:10 pm
Wow just went down a rabbit hole of my childhood and the red rattlers. Especially the noise through open windows, smell of asbestos brakes and flickering internal lights heading down into the tunnels from central to circular quay or town hall. As much as mum preferred the non smoking cars of the later trains I as a little boy found the rattlers more exciting.
Just what this planet needs now, Bi-Polar Bears.
ALL train carriages, smell vaguely of shit.
You don’t buy it, you rent it.
Bipolar, white, hot, wet, bipolar bears, the largest terrestrial meat eaters of their kind.
Also seen near your local inner city bath houses.
Cockys would be struggling to find anything to complain about at the moment
Public servants would be struggling to find anything to complain about this year after sitting on their fat arses in their pyjamas getting paid to do fuck all.
My (ex) Boss is ecstatic over the yield, the quality and the price of his wheat crop this year.
Like most farmers, he coddles his machinery and is fanatical about maintenance and regular servicing, something I totally agree with, and is careful about operating costs. Oil and grease is cheap, engines and transmissions are expensive.
Very profitable year and a very generous bonus for Pedro the clumsy chaser bin driver and his juvenile offsiders.
I believe I may spend it all wisely on some flash city hotel stays, fine dining and expensive plonk.
Oh the humanity.
Pay that one!
No. I explained to you that it was the one from your Pfizer excerpt, and I actually highlightrd and paraphrased it for you. It’s this one
It was actually the penultimate sentence from your excerpt.
So what? Randomness wouldn’t put it out of kilter. 287 vs 409 is nothing out of the ordinary.
Okay.
Hey, Pol – the CL has posited that this continent could be filled (populated?) with hippos, lions, giraffes, rhinos, cheetahs, bison* and various other african creatures and we wouldn’t even know it.
I think that’s the intention when Australia is de-populated (apart from large mines & farms)
I’ve encountered the mentality that “well you guys can afford machinery like this, why are you getting so upset about maintenance?”
Just over thirty thousand dollars, in repairs, because some fool hadn’t bothered to do the basic maintenance..
Pedro
Why do you need to work? You have half of Fort Knox’s gold equivalent stashed in a huge vault.
Melbourne protest – would prefer no entertainment in a park – many left in dribs and drabs- my reasoning is that it’s best to march in the streets, let the dynamics convey the message – then leave off. Socialising, yes, but as a separate event, later, and not as something intrinsic to the protest.
So what? Randomness wouldn’t put it out of kilter. 287 vs 409 is nothing out of the ordinary.
What are the normal sample sizes and and margins of statistical significance for clinical trials of this type?
You know, I work with computers that control buildings and processes. The machine(s) that we use to do the grunt-work are blindingly powerful.
Up until about 5 years ago I could easily have hi-jacked the inner workings to build a destructive object that self replicates and distributes itself everywhere it finds another target.
these days I’d have to hi-jack the ‘provisioning’ system and auto distribute to all end-points.
be harder but not impossible
even have an object I call the Insurance Bomb which gets deployed on jobs we do with unknown builders. Saved our skin before too.
runs hidden.
has a date of certain death and a killing-floor
if the date passes, then everything on the killing floor is executed.
normally I just get all the field communication connectors and turn them off
but I could just as easily delete the station, delete myself and reboot.
gone.for.evah
the stuff we use is near universally deployed.
its everywhere
there’s even a badass search engine in dark-web-land that will hunt down internet connected systems.
You’d be terrified to learn how many of those systems are completely open to remote access.
I’ve personally been on sites all over the world and edited the home-page with a message that says change your fucking passwords you mongs
youse may not realise it but the whole world is held together in a pretty flimsy way.
all good-will and bullshit
be nice to me
actually, I’m not yr problem
a black-hat that knows could easily fuck your universe up
On the old catallaxy I remember Tel getting an exceptionally bad flu near the end of 2019. Worst he’d ever had he said.
It is a pity that he has not come on this present newcatallaxy.
His comments were always good value.
Assuming a reasonable sample size, Neilson. Keep your panties on.
Story at Unz Review: Jury Nullification nullified.
https://www.unz.com/isteve/jury-nullification-nullified/
Brutal Murder of a Grand Niece of the founder of Halliburton, black defendant, found guily of Manslaughter, lot of backslapping and shuckin and jivin goin down at the Bar Table, since a Guilty verdict meant Life imprisonment without Parole, at best.
Anyway the Jury Forewoman declines to agree to the verdict and a Mistrial is declared.
One of the commenters linked to a Florida Newspaper article which states that the cops initially suspected the son, then DNA at the scene was matched to a black burglar who sounds like a complete psychopath.
https://www.browardpalmbeach.com/news/broward-escape-artist-dayonte-resiles-could-face-death-despite-questionable-evidence-8216057
Here’s the interesting part:
It turns out that when Forensic Experts tell the Courts that a particular DNA sample is “many millions of times more likely” to come from the Defendant than anyone else, that’s utter bullshit and it’s likely led to many innocent men being jailed here and overseas.
A man, a goil, a convertible, a nightclub and a life now lost … 🙁
Thanks, hitlerists!
Why would the vaxxed group suffer significantly more from prior exposure in comparison to the placebo group?
Ed’s trolling actually did not really smear jury nullification, but DNA evidence.
You whacko, Grig/Ed.
One good solar flare to blow out the world’s collection of servers and we’d be fighting for food in the streets in a matter of days.
Never mind the toilet paper.
How about the reason given in the link you provided.
This:
JCsays:
December 12, 2021 at 10:12 pm
[What are the normal sample sizes and and margins of statistical significance for clinical trials of this type?]
Assuming a reasonable sample size, Neilson. Keep your panties on.
Ok, I’ll put it a different way.
On what clinical grounds are you asserting that, in a test of this type, “Randomness wouldn’t put it out of kilter. 287 vs 409 is nothing out of the ordinary.”?
You must have some idea about what the parameters of “ordinary” are for clinical tests of this type in order to say that 287 v 409 is “ordinary”. And you must have some grounds for your idea of those parameters.
It’s a serious question. I actually want to know what the parameters are and why 287 v 409 is “ordinary” in the context of those parameters.
Not if you’ve prepared. Not that I’m some sort of conspiracy hypothesist or anything.
Seriously, peoples – you’re all about to starve to death any time soon?
Decadent Western personages about 69 minutes after the EMP: “Gee, I’m feelin’ very ‘ungry right about now”.
Worse than the Cartman, you are.
Bluddee hell, after that regrettable though necessary outburst, could somebody get me a drink … 😕
Jury Nullification is part of the process, in this instance the Forewoman refused to play along, see the title:
DNA Evidence isn’t the Lay Down Misere it’s claimed to be and no one should be convicted on DNA alone.
Neilson
Ask Dover. He put forward the excerpt and I’d assume the population was reasonable.
You know this but you’re just being oppositional.
There is substantial anecdotal evidence of people who had tested negative prior to vaccination, becoming infected shortly afterwards, invariably attributed to exposure just before vaccination.
The sentence seems to me to be saying that whenever Pfizer was faced with someone getting infected shortly after the jab, Pfizer carved it out of the post-jab infection category – i.e. the 409 excludes the “anecdotal” priors.
That would be ok if they did exactly the same thing to the placebo group, which they may have, though the extract doesn’t say.
If they didn’t then the adverse temporary effect of the jab may well be worse than the 287-409 suggests.
Anyone got a good reference for what damage a solar flare might do? Modern equipment is generally designed to be pretty robust, hardware-wise.
Ask Dover. He put forward the excerpt and I’d assume the population was reasonable.
But you’re the one who said that 287-409 was “nothing out of the ordinary”, so why should I ask dover for an explanation of that?
Do you actually have any basis for that statement or not?
JC, what reason does this provide for the vaxxed group suffering disproportionately more than the placebo group?
Tim, the number involved in the Pfizer trial was 43651, split almost evenly between trial and placebo group.
Myocarditis, Pericarditis and Cardiac Arrest ain’t “Adverse Temporary Effects”, Timothy.
N-KP
My understanding is that (my best buddy currently re-switching the Muja power station, told me this) that a solar flare mucks up the magnetic field and this in turn causes incorrect values to occur in the grid
Happy to be corrected
Myocarditis, Pericarditis and Cardiac Arrest ain’t “Adverse Temporary Effects”, Timothy.
The discussion is about whether in the two or three weeks after getting jabbed someone is at more rather than less risk of contracting the virus.
That’s the “temporary” effect under discussion.
The study wasn’t about those other things.
Actually it does, because the testing group must be of sufficient size where randomness would spit out the two results. If the test group wasn’t large enough there would be nothing to discuss.
Okay and you don’t think 287 vs 409 could be spat out from a group that size? Really?
Okay and you don’t think 287 vs 409 could be spat out from a group that size? Really?
In other words you have absolutely no idea what the margins of statistical significance are in clinical tests of this type, and no basis whatsoever for assuming that 287-409 is “nothing out of the ordinary”.
If you do have some actual clinical basis for saying that in a clinical trial of this type 287-409 is within the bounds of statistical significance say so. A reference will do.
FMD , you’re pedantic. You would need to ask him what the fucking sample size was as I assumed it would reasonable and he was the one who p0sted the study.
Dover just confirmed the sample size was reasonable and therefore my assumption was correct.
Look, stop talking to me as I find you far too pedantic to have a discussion with. Go pester other people.
That doesn’t make much sense.
Back in Primary School, I was telt that Vaccination gives you a dose of the disease, the ol’ Immune Systyem goes to work, and, Voila, you’re immune.
Now, that sounds like bullshit, because it is, but the bottom line remains:
Everyone who is Vaccinated for any disease is gonna test positive 5 minutes later for that particular disease, that’s the General Idea of Vaccination, isn’t it?
Looking at the charts, Victoria reached 50% single dose and 30% double in early Sept.
The ”third wave” started to occur around the same time and as jabs have increased so to have the number of infections.
Dover didn’t give us a reference, he gave us the sample size just now, you ridiculous clown. 43,651 was the number. I wouldn’t assume Dover would be posting a fraudulent or faulty study with a sample size that was too small. As I said, go pester other people you pedant.
Anyway, Sliante to all on the Cat – it’s the Memsahib’s birthday, and there has been a long and somewhat raucous lunch, with good friends, in the Swan Valley, in commemoration of the monumental event.
You’re the one who said that 287-409 was “nothing out of the ordinary”.
You “assumed” that the sample size was reasonable.
Now you say that about 43,000 split approximately evenly between test and control was “reasonable”. That is, presumably it’s in the ballpark of what you were assuming.
So, in a clinical trial of this type, with 43,000 split approximately evenly between test and control, what clinical grounds do you have for your statement that 287-409 is “nothing out of the ordinary”?
Maybe you have evidence that normally the infection rate in this kind of trial would be much higher? Or that in this kind of trial only a much larger divergence between the groups would be statistically significant?
Or maybe you’ve got 0.00000 [recurring to infinity] evidence?
I’m just genuinely curious about the explanation.
JCsays:
December 12, 2021 at 11:05 pm
So what? Randomness wouldn’t put it out of kilter. 287 vs 409 is nothing out of the ordinary.
It’s YOUR statement.
Justify.
GO!!!
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Okay, there are a couple of things.
1. Delta was swirling around which supposedly made the vaccinations less effective.
2. Aside from 1. why would it have to be the chicken vs the egg and not the egg before the chicken.
Here’s the pertinent point from Dover’s very Pfizer link. It suggests strong anecdotal evidence that:
At best Dover’s own linked study is inconclusive for the argument he’s made, in that the vaccinations cause people to contract covid a short interval after the jab. At worst if the evidence was true, it invalidates everything he’s said. There is not a shred of even an atom in favor of the argument being made that the vax helps people get the virus very shortly after being jabbed.
Okay
Dover’s words, not mine
Now fuck off and stop wasting everyone’s time!
Go!
There is a serious disease, and it’s not the virus.
German police start measuring distances between people with folding rulers in public.
Tim, the number involved in the Pfizer trial was 43651, split almost evenly between trial and placebo group.
And how does that validate: So what? Randomness wouldn’t put it out of kilter. 287 vs 409 is nothing out of the ordinary.?
Answer – it doesn’t, and JC has been caught bang to rights in a totally fact free evidence free piece of bloviation.
Refutation?
GO!!!
Has that been peer-reviewed?
Perhaps, but then that means the two weeks of isolation for a close contact even if you test negative is bullshit. Shouldn’t it then be at least three? Which means the protocol for vaccination is at the bare minimum of time that should pass between vaccinations. Not the optimal time, just the bare minimum in an ideal case.
The problem people have with this JC isn’t one particular rule or assertion is incorrect, but the preponderance of rules that put together make no sense and were made by a prevaricating ruling class that thought we would not notice they are lying.
They are lying because they cannot back down as they chose to be hysterical and they cannot lose face. They committed to the most overblown forecasts and thought dishonesty was best (for example, why masks were discouraged at first – because they thought hospitals would run out).
Instead, “the science changed”, never “we were wrong”, “we gave misguided advice” or “we overreacted and we are sorry…(we materially hurt you through economic and social damage and the withering of your civil liberties and common law rights…)”.
Another one: the PCR test is the gold standard – but PCR tests showing COVID has been around for a long time are incorrect – also, rapid antigen testing is good enough to go to a worksite, is now illegal in WA. Testing is anti-vaxx…
I am sick of the lies and arrogance.
Anyone know what kind of mortar shell this is?
Something predicted by several highly qualified doctors.
Yep, sure has because the sample size was large enough for the difference to be meaningless.The difference is tiny. 409/21,825 = .0187 vs 287/21,825 =.0131. It’s not even a rounding error. Add in this point:
It makes the entire argument preposterous.
Best you explain why you consider such low values having very meaningful attributes to the argument being made.
Go!
Dot, we have absolutely no fucking idea about this virus and still don’t.
From my limited experience, a 60mm training round.
Best you explain why you consider such low values having very meaningful attributes to the argument being made.
Poor old logic fail JC.
I wasn’t the one making any statement – you were. I’ve just been asking you for your evidence.
And you’ve totally failed to come up with any evidence at all as to what the expected infection rate would be in a clinical trial of this type and size, or what degree of difference in a trial of this type and size would normally be regarded as significant.
In other words you’re admitting that you’ve got 0.0000 [recurring to infinity] evidence that in trials of this type and size 287-409 is “nothing out of the ordinary”.
Please fell free, even at this late stage, to refer me to your authority for what levels of infection might be expected in trials of this size and type, and what the boundaries of statistical significance are in trials of this size and type.
But you can’t. Because you don’t have any. You’ve got no idea. You’re just bloviating.
Please, is there a link? Needs sharing far and wide.
The government refuses to admit this and instead has decided to blow the economy and civil liberties.
Closet to two years of government cock ups. The virus could have been around for three. Pandemics have never lasted this long, as a general rule.
This is a textbook case of humanity defrauding itself. What a massive waste.
Put together the realities of:
1. A very elderly and comorbid cohort of the dead.
2. Natural immunity was already largely prevalent.
3. A draconian lockdown that blew up society, the economy and civil liberties – and some rules were just absurd nonsense.
4. The virus could have been globally endemic since at least March 2019.
5. Banning therapies that work, being spiteful about better vaccines that are more effective and more safe.
Government is a joke and their reaction to COVID was just another gem of public mismanagement.
Why would these numbers be any different from the other numbers produced?
No it isn’t . It’s a legitimate question that you refuse to answer.
Doesn’t matter who made the statement. Dover subsequently backed up what I said in that the sample was of reasonable size. That’s something you doubted at first and then ended up being whacked over the head with it.
You can’t. No one can you dummy. It would be like using either New York’s infection rate or NSW over the history of the bug. What we do know is that .0187 – .0131 = .0056 is statistically insignificant.
It’s correct. Over the sample size these numbers are tiny. You can tell use why the difference is significant. You won’t though because you can’t.
See above.
I’m still waiting for answers to questions I posed to you.
Go!
..0056 is tiny. You’re still ignoring the elephant you yourself brought into the room which is from your own excerpt:
If there’s substantial anecdotal evidence of people who were exposed to covid before the vaccination (in the 409 group) how can you argue that vaxxes cause covid over the short term. There is absolutely no basis for your claim. None.
409 -287 = 122/43,651 = .0028
Neilson implies this is significant. Okay.
JC, just to help you out in proving that the differences in the study really are clinically “nothing out of the ordinary”.
Here’s a reference to a study with about 30,000 subjects split between test and control.
Note the statement that 151 cases would give 90% power to detect 60% difference.
Compare that to 43,000 participants split evenly, and a total of 696 cases, with the result being 409/287=142.5%.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2035389
For analysis of the primary end point, the trial was designed for the null hypothesis that the efficacy of the mRNA-1273 vaccine is 30% or less. A total of 151 cases of Covid-19 would provide 90% power to detect a 60% reduction in the hazard rate (i.e., 60% vaccine efficacy),
Hmm, on second thoughts maybe that doesn’t help you much…
But no matter, that’s just one study that emerged easily on an internet search. I’m sure you’ll have much more compelling evidence that 287/409 in the study in question can just be dismissed as random “nothing out of the ordinary”.
Watching you guys argue about statistics has its comical aspects.
For this example, the SE is calculated by:
Sqrt(p(1-p)/n)
So say half the group = n= 22000, P = 0.014, 1-p = 0.986.
The answer is 300+/- 17
..
Don’t quote me, because I avoided stats like the plague.
Someone who actually knows how to do stats might like to do the actual relevant calculation.
from JC @ 9.55pm
Don’t need to work JC. The farming gig was to help out the local community unable to get workers for the harvest last year.
Same thing again this year, no backpackers, no interstate agricultural workers due to WA border closure, so I got volunteered to go farming again.
I worked the gold mining and exploration game for 30+ years and it has been very kind to me. Retirement was a payoff for all those hard years of grubbing in the red dirt and a modest stash of physical gold pretty much inflation proofs my future. Hardly Fort Knox quantity, sadly.
Mining is a tough business, often high risk and dependant on commodity prices for success or failure, but compared to the financial risks that farmers take every year it is about as risky as having a guaranteed unsackable PS government job.
Feeling pretty good that I have once again contributed a bit to the nation’s wealth in a very minor way and have never stuck my hand out for .gov money.
Aww.
There’s Dr. BG on time.
What’s the actual answer BG?
Doc.
You’ve never argued about stats and it’s supposed to be your forte. Perhaps you could come out of your ivory tower and impart your wisdom.
Ironically, you remind of the dude who was supposedly a world rated chess player sitting at our trading desk. He never played anyone who challenged him because if he lost a game it would have been the end for him.
yes.
yes it is
but we’re all gonna die before xmas
. Dover subsequently backed up what I said in that the sample was of reasonable size. That’s something you doubted at first and then ended up being whacked over the head with it.
That’s a straight out lie. I never “doubted” that the sample dover was talking about was of a reasonable size – I just asked you to give your grounds for saying that 287/409 was “nothing out of the ordinary”.