Open Thread – Mon 17 Jan 2022


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JC
JC
January 18, 2022 7:46 pm

Brett Weinstein and Jordan Peterson Podcast. Very interesting takes on Evolution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKh0ni7HlNw

jupes
jupes
January 18, 2022 7:48 pm

I see a COVID+ ‘Twiggy’ Forrest has been allowed to fly in and avoid quarantine. Rules are rules, people.

Dover are you referring to this incident last year?

According to the story, Twiggy caught Covid overseas then did 14 days quarantine in NSW. You would have to assume that he tested negative before he was allowed to leave. He then was exempted from quarantine in Perth.

Fair enough as he had natural immunity.

Roger
Roger
January 18, 2022 7:48 pm

But Djokovic is facing another stern test of his principles.

I don’t follow professional tennis other than what is in the headlines but this is bigger than that.

I hope Djokovic sticks with his principles whatever it costs him.

All Western nations are signatories to international treaties and covenants which have clauses protecting citizens against coerced medical treatment. Whatever one’s personal views on vaccination, threatening a person with loss of employment unless he submits to vaccination is surely coercion. And given the poor efficacy of the vaccines it is unjustified. The vaccinated can reportedly transmit the virus just as effectively as the unvaccinated.

Megan
Megan
January 18, 2022 7:49 pm

Maybe check for these advisories re myo/pericarditis re Pfizer, Megan, and get your son to take copies to discuss.

Am already on it, Lizzie. Also, my own cardiologist asked me my vax status at my pre-Christmas stress test and simply nodded and moved on when I explained my reasons for waiting. Unlike the stupid stand-in for my regular rheumatologist who flat out ordered me to get it.

rosie
rosie
January 18, 2022 7:49 pm

Thank you Dr Faustus
It’s not a problem really, other than my hatred of bureaucracy and fear of snags.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 18, 2022 7:49 pm

I’ve just had a brilliant idea for making a buck. I fake up a covid marshall brassard or one of those things you wear around your neck, then I go and interrogate random ppl and issue then on the spot fines for not having up to date vaccines or wearing the wrong sort of mask.

Pass on this idea to all the crooks you know.

JC
JC
January 18, 2022 7:50 pm

Phones and social media have been universal for at least a decade.

Yes, the lies and bullshit began a decade ago and the wave got bigger and time goes on.

Megan
Megan
January 18, 2022 7:52 pm

And thanks to all of you for your reassurances. My MIL was a major hypochondriac and perpetual interferer in our family decisions. Because Sicilian mothers have that right written into the life contract at birth. As a consequence I am overly cautious about proffering opinions where in-laws are also involved in health decisions. Which is exactly what is unfolding in front of me.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 18, 2022 7:52 pm

apparently the crowd is boo-ing Andy Murray..

Awww, that’s just awful. I wonder why they could be so uncharitable?

Andy Murray says Novak Djokovic has questions to answer about movements after positive COVID-19 test (ABC, 12 Jan)

It’s a mystery.

custard
custard
January 18, 2022 7:53 pm

In the latest mass psychosis update from McGowistan…

A fellow worker and I had an exchange late in the day and he furiously opined that everything he had read about HDC and IVERMECTIN was that they were ineffective and dangerous.

I said he had been brainwashed! He said that it was I who had been brainwashed!

I grabbed a stubby of Corona (for the car trip home) and he put on his homemade mask (cloth) and walked out to his car.

FMD

rosie
rosie
January 18, 2022 7:55 pm

Or maybe the footage is circulating more widely because some people have a vested interest in doing so.
I can’t imagine Australians being interested in a French footballer collapsing on the field back in 2012
, like this bloke

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 18, 2022 7:58 pm

Anyone seen the credential checking of the 270 “doctors” who signed the letter demanding Spotify boot Joe Rogan?
I’ve seen about a dozen on twitter.
It’s pretty funny shit.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 18, 2022 7:58 pm

Zulu at 6:32.
Thank you.
And my compliments, luverleee ladeee.

rosie
rosie
January 18, 2022 7:59 pm

Oops, une pomme

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 18, 2022 8:00 pm

“As soon as possible, we will be in touch with Novak Djokovic to review the events that have accompanied his presence in Australia,” Lacoste said in a statement.

Sports companies are fun. Lacoste has a crocodile as an emblem and Nike has a scimitar.
Bit of a tell.

MatrixTransform
January 18, 2022 8:01 pm

…it is an awful lot of anecdotes though

just imagine a world without anecdotes and how safe we’d all feel

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 18, 2022 8:01 pm

rosiesays:

January 18, 2022 at 6:35 pm

I’m on the road today.
The tourist office assured me that even if the buses are empty they still run, something about parcels.

So you have to dress in brown paper and string?

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
January 18, 2022 8:04 pm

The death toll today had the MSM and the Peoples Democratic Republic of Karens all in panic mode. Let’s look at the crisis.

Deaths lag by a matter of a few weeks.
If you take today’s death toll and Covid positive cases back to the start of January you get a rate of 0.03 % deaths for cases.
Take the same 18 days back from 1st Jan and you get a rate of 0.07%
‘Good grief Charlie Brown’
It’s better not worse.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 18, 2022 8:05 pm

Anyone seen the credential checking of the 270 “doctors” who signed the letter demanding Spotify boot Joe Rogan?

‘270 Doctors’ Called Out Joe Rogan – But Vast Majority Of Authors, Signatories Are Not Medical Doctors (17 Jan)

Well, I reviewed this open letter, and it turns out that only around 100 of the 270+ signatories to the letter are people with qualified medical degrees. And a large chunk of that 100 or so medical doctors are MDs employed at universities who are not in fact practitioners of medicine.

Usual suspects are usual suspects. But let’s all ignore the 32000 scientists and engineers who signed the Oregon Petition against climate rubbish.

JC
JC
January 18, 2022 8:11 pm

Brucie

On “the climate rubbish” are

1. Lomborg
2. Shellenberger
3. Judith Curry
4. Dick Lindzen
5. Bill Wilder
All wrong to suggest there has been some mild man made warming, but you’re right that there’s been absolutely zero? Am I getting it correctly? It’s also 8 pm and you should have been in bed 5 hours ago.

Roger
Roger
January 18, 2022 8:12 pm

The tourist office assured me that even if the buses are empty they still run, something about parcels.

We’re back to the 1950s, when parcels subsidised passenger trains.

The buses can thank the authorities who subsequently ripped up train lines for their current good fortune.

And no, I’m not trying to start a trains v. buses stoush! Buses would win, hands down, and I’m a train enthusiast.

rosie
rosie
January 18, 2022 8:12 pm

If it gives me certainty of arriving at my destination I most happily will wear brown paper and string.
I think she just said that though to justify why they ran empty 55 seat buses back and forth twice a day in a climate crisis.

jupes
jupes
January 18, 2022 8:12 pm

That’s the one, jupes. Funny how McGowan provided an exemption when I’m sure others must isolate again on entry into WA.

I am currently quarantining in WA because I got an ‘exemption’. Took me six attempts to get it but I made it back with three hours to spare before I would have been banned indefinitely. Twiggy on the other hand had Covid, did 14 days quarantine in Sydney, then was given an exemption to return to Perth without quarantine.

My point is that once someone has had Covid, they shouldn’t have to quarantine anywhere because of natural immunity. Dunno if I would have been given an exemption in the same circumstances but the right decision was made (even if for the wrong reasons).

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 18, 2022 8:16 pm

Okay.

Who or what is a ‘Pandacon?’

rosie
rosie
January 18, 2022 8:16 pm

The reason there is no train is the line was heavily bombed in 1943 and never repaired.
I get the impression this place was desperately poor until at least some time in the 1960s.
It should be fine, I’ve been spooked by the non arrival of the advertised last bus of the day in Bonifaco due to incorrect timetable on internet.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 18, 2022 8:17 pm

Daily Mail.

Impotent man, 45, may never be able to use his penis again after his partner accidentally deployed expanding foam INSIDE his urethra in bizarre attempt to keep him erect during sex

WARNING, GRAPHIC CONTENT
An American man ended up with foam stuck in his penis after ill-advised sex act
Surgeons had to cut a new hole for him to urinate from due to extent of damage
Experts say impotent men are using ‘sounding’ as a ‘home-remedy’ to stay firm

rosie
rosie
January 18, 2022 8:20 pm

Australia is now on the covid naughty list to enter the eu (as of the 17th January) I suspect that will make zero difference to those carrying the right documents though.

rosie
rosie
January 18, 2022 8:21 pm

France now has 8,984,503 cases.
What difference would a couple of Australians make?

Baba
Baba
January 18, 2022 8:23 pm

rosiesays:
January 18, 2022 at 8:21 pm
France now has 8,984,503 cases.
What difference would a couple of Australians make?

Tipping point

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 18, 2022 8:24 pm

JCsays:

January 18, 2022 at 6:40 pm

It was far more complex than the simplistic way Driller makes out about the Fat guy.

Honestly, I think the story about the liquidators may contain traces of bullshit.
Liquidators fees are governed by corporations law and they must be cost based. “Incentive” type fees as described (200% of employees entitlements) which are unrelated to costs incurred wouldn’t survive five minutes in court.
Remember, Fat Cloive is not shy when it comes to litigation and, if such a deal was mooted by the liquidator, he would issue a writ before lunch.
Now, “costs” has a degree of flexibility in hourly rates charged, hours booked and consultants used * but, in the end, it can be subject to review by a Court. Lump sum deals plucked out of someone’s arse won’t cut it.
And who appoints liquidators?
Banks and creditors, that’s who.
Now they know they are going to pay through the nose on rates and hours might be fattened up, but they sure as shit aren’t going to drop their recovery from 40 cents in the dollar to 30 cents to accommodate a gouge by the liquidators.
The employee entitlements was a massive PR disaster for Fat Cloive and he needed to get a story out which didn’t make him look like a prick.
.
* see later post on a current example.

Megan
Megan
January 18, 2022 8:29 pm

flyingduk says:
January 18, 2022 at 5:36 pm

Thanks for the bonus tip, duk! I do have some horse paste handy in my In Case of Emergency kit. But I will start with him getting a cardiology referral and following that up. Should buy him a few weeks before Get the Booster nagging starts up again.

Grateful for your input.

Megan
Megan
January 18, 2022 8:32 pm

Who or what is a ‘Pandacon?’

A so called conservative who loves PandaLand and is sympathetic to it’s political inhabitants.

Totally guessing but it fits JA.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 18, 2022 8:33 pm

Lizzie. Don’t your attending ladies manage your diamonds and pearls?Lizzie. Don’t your attending ladies manage your diamonds and pearls?

Ah, if only, Dopey. It’s not on the duty list of the cleaners, the gardener or indeed the masseuse or the hairdresser or nail salon, my ex domus assistants. It’s all up to me. I could always take anything in need of attention back to the diamond merchant where purchased, but so much to do, so little time, and teeth seemed so very handy!

Don’t worry about it, my dear. All is well. 🙂

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
January 18, 2022 8:37 pm

It gets worse.
If you take the death rate per positive case before Omicron started to kick in late November you get a death rate of 0.6%.
Five times worse than the current rate.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 18, 2022 8:38 pm

Gez at 7:27.

Lift your game Sancho.

Cheap laffs is all I got, man.

John H.
John H.
January 18, 2022 8:41 pm

Megansays:
January 18, 2022 at 8:29 pm
flyingduk says:
January 18, 2022 at 5:36 pm

Thanks for the bonus tip, duk! I do have some horse paste handy in my In Case of Emergency kit. But I will start with him getting a cardiology referral and following that up. Should buy him a few weeks before Get the Booster nagging starts up again.

Grateful for your input.

Megan interspersed with my afternoon reading I was looking into myocarditis. The general view is that acute myocarditis is monitored but is not a serious issue. The monitoring is to ensure it doesn’t become chronic because that has very serious long term complications including heart failure which has a miserable 5 year life expectancy rate. One of the texts on my reading list was Early-Life Stress Regulates Cardiac Development through an IL-4-Glucocorticoid Signaling Balance, which, put simply, demonstrates how the cytokine il-4 directly impacts cardiac development. Vitamin D promotes il-4, one of if not the most important pathways by which it inhibits inflammation. Which lead me to …. . Vitamin D receptor restricts T helper 2-biased inflammation in the heart. Thus, anyone receiving the mRNA jabs should be thinking about D status and anyone with myocarditis shouldn’t wait for a D status result they should start taking some straight away, even up to 5,000IU per day until the D status result is available.

I wouldn’t be worried about it because you previously mentioned normal ECG but they should have checked for troponin.

cohenite
January 18, 2022 8:42 pm

The fact the fee was 200% of anything is meaningless because the court set the agreed fee and or rates such a circumstance.

Courts don’t set liquidator’s fees. In fact liquidators are the most unregulated profession in Australia. Apart from looking after themselves they only consider one other party, the primary creditor, invariably a bank.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 18, 2022 8:44 pm

We’re back to the 1950s, when parcels subsidised passenger trains.

From 1956 onwards, in WA the Government Railways ran the replacement bus services and had a significant ancillary road freight department, that I think persisted for some 25-odd years.

In this way they continued to provide the required level of service (including connecting to passenger trains in bigger centres), while no longer having to maintain and operate slow and loss-making train services on the huge and cheaply (and often quite badly)-laid branch lines successive governments inflicted on them over the decades.

Its bus services to regional centres continues to this day, in the form of TransWA.

So there’s really no competition to be had at all- Many of the biggest bus and steamship lines (and even many early airlines) were run as adjunct business units by railway companies worldwide for much of the 19th and 20th centuries.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 18, 2022 8:47 pm

rosie says:
January 18, 2022 at 8:21 pm
France now has 8,984,503 cases.
What difference would a couple of Australians make?

$90 billion in lost revenue for a submarine project that never would have even made it off the slipway…

#BewareTheMilitary-IndustrialComplex

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 18, 2022 8:47 pm

Gez at 8:04.

Deaths lag by a matter of a few weeks.
If you take today’s death toll and Covid positive cases back to the start of January you get a rate of 0.03 % deaths for cases.

This is the key stat.
Omicron is a massive nuffink burger.
Perspective.
If I infect an MCG full of people, 30 will die.
And they will all be 85 year old MCC members.
Which pushes me up the queue.
(Simplistic, I know).

cohenite
January 18, 2022 8:47 pm

Good memes; the one about obuma and michelle is a classic.

https://dont-sir-me.blogspot.com/2022/01/nineteen.html

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 18, 2022 8:51 pm

Knuckle Draggersays:

January 18, 2022 at 8:16 pm

Okay.

Who or what is a ‘Pandacon?’

It’s a small bus in Sardinia.
It carries mostly parcels but has some provision for passengers.
You’re welcome.

JC
JC
January 18, 2022 8:54 pm

Courts don’t set liquidator’s fees. In fact liquidators are the most unregulated profession in Australia. Apart from looking after themselves they only consider one other party, the primary creditor, invariably a bank.

A court can appoint a liquidator and can set the fee, Cronkite. Creditors can also sue liquidators for charging excessively.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 18, 2022 8:55 pm

Appreciated, Megan.

I almost said ‘Where’s Pandaland?’ but didn’t because everyone knows it’s in Sardinia.

Frank
Frank
January 18, 2022 8:55 pm

Elvis was apparently into bacon and peanut butter sandwiches in his latter years…

Elvis was also into redeye gravy. Take a stack of bacon and boil it in a pot, let cool and scrape the fat off the top. Throw the bacon away. Mix a cup of espresso coffee into the fat and spread it onto toast.

If you’ve ever had a mouthful of coffee while eating bacon and eggs and thought how good it tastes then you know the motivation.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 18, 2022 8:57 pm

Bob Hawke, 1986:

By 1990, no Australian child will live in poverty

Hawke was only gently rebuked for that obvious bullshit, but how funny is Scotty Morrison?
His lackeys tell the Court that Jokers presence may cause the unvaxxed to riot, and the Judges bought it!
I’d say a fair few people were biting their tongues so as to not burst out laughing.

EvilElvis
EvilElvis
January 18, 2022 9:05 pm

Sports people do die. Do you have any data there are excess deaths within the sports community. As someone who claims to be a a doc, I’m kind of surprised you take anecdotal claims from say some anonymous Twitter source that their soccer playing third cousin died from the covid vax.

Can anyone ever remember seeing JC and Rosie in the same room at the same time?

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure
Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure
January 18, 2022 9:06 pm

His lackeys tell the Court that Jokers presence may cause the unvaxxed to riot, and the Judges bought it!

As accurate as anything you’ve written. (i.e. totally erroneous)
The Judges bought…. the law… which says (simplified for clarity & blog brevity) that the Minister has the power to cancel any visa, anytime he pleases.

flyingduk
flyingduk
January 18, 2022 9:07 pm

Sports people do die. Do you have any data there are excess deaths within the sports community. As someone who claims to be a a doc, I’m kind of surprised you take anecdotal claims from say some anonymous Twitter source that their soccer playing third cousin died from the covid vax.

https://palexander.substack.com/p/453-athlete-cardiac-arrests-serious

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/rbfaq0/we_have_seen_a_500_increase_to_athlete_collapses/

cohenite
January 18, 2022 9:08 pm

A court can appoint a liquidator and can set the fee

It can but is not obligated to and if a creditor liquidates it can appoint the bloodsucker. Invariably the court will follow the creditor’s recommendation. The point is there are no set fees; and good luck suing a liquidator or challenging their fees.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 18, 2022 9:09 pm

Experts say impotent men are using ‘sounding’ as a ‘home-remedy’ to stay firm

Max firmness!

/SFW

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure
Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure
January 18, 2022 9:09 pm

While y’all are banging on like Bulls in china shops about the QNI employee entitlements, it may pay to brush up on the facts of the matter before thundering generically that [this or that] cannot have happened.

If the bare outline laid out above offends you so much, you’re free to post a comment outlining what did happen.

Otherwise you’re just …. blowharding.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 18, 2022 9:11 pm

cohenitesays:

January 18, 2022 at 8:42 pm

The fact the fee was 200% of anything is meaningless because the court set the agreed fee and or rates such a circumstance.

Courts don’t set liquidator’s fees. 

Cohenite.
My later post explained that.
Yes, technically the Court doesn’t set fees, but they can be challenged in court.
And we all know Fat Cloive loves a court case.
Yes, I agree that liquidators make hay, but they do it within the bounds of full-on hourly rates and padding out hours.
They don’t do it via a speccy lump sum deal.

Apart from looking after themselves they only consider one other party, the primary creditor, invariably a bank.

I made that point too.
The Townsville smelter had banks involved. Yeah, they are going to have to eat some lumps on heavy rates and hours, but they aren’t going to buy into a deal which pays the liquidator a yuuuge lump sum fee which drops their cents in the dollar.

JC
JC
January 18, 2022 9:16 pm

Cronkite

There are recommended rates set by accounting associations just as there are for lawyers.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 18, 2022 9:17 pm

Creditors can also sue liquidators for charging excessively.

True.
In fact, anyone with a financial interest can sue for an off-the-wall liquidators deal.
Cloive as a shareholder has an interest in any creditors/bankers payout deal not falling apart.
He could (and would) sue the liquidators.
He didn’t.
In summary, apparently Fat Cloive got done over but didn’t sue somebody.
Pull the other one.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 18, 2022 9:20 pm

Much better.

Ta Doverlord.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 18, 2022 9:24 pm

The Labor Premiers didn’t do Albanese any favors by joining the National Cabinet.
Labor knows that, so they’re pouring money into the Voices Of … AstroTurf Operation
Sure, no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of Aussies in general, but there’s always that nagging fear that you can’t trust a Federal Labor Government.
I still think they’ll draft Rudd but they’re cutting it fine.

JC
JC
January 18, 2022 9:29 pm

He didn’t.
In summary, apparently Fat Cloive got done over but didn’t sue somebody.
Pull the other one.

Lol

This is a dude who initiates a lawsuit every other day. I wonder if they accumulate on public holidays. Like we had two public holidays on Monday and Tuesday after Xmas and new year. Would big fat Clive add 2 more law suits for those days?

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 18, 2022 9:29 pm

Oh wait.

The thing that carries parcels and occasionally passengers is a Pandachnicon…

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 18, 2022 9:32 pm

Sure, no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of Aussies in general,

Grigory darling, your father and I have been through this with you before.

You are not ‘Aussies in general,’ so please stop palming off your stupidity as something everyone else is guilty of.

#LordKnowsWeTried…

Frank
Frank
January 18, 2022 9:33 pm

Pandacon.
If you are feeling robust of mind the Urban Dictionary will always have a reference for it.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 18, 2022 9:34 pm

Administrators are appointed by the biggest creditor.
Blame them.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 18, 2022 9:36 pm

Pandacon

STARSCREAM!

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE NOW?!

***Optimus Priming and cheesy 80s Power-Ballading Intensifies***

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 18, 2022 9:37 pm

Thus, anyone receiving the mRNA jabs should be thinking about D status and anyone with myocarditis shouldn’t wait for a D status result they should start taking some straight away, even up to 5,000IU per day until the D status result is available.

10k per day for the last 2 years.
Plus NMN.
Since getting the Pfizer jabs I’ve upped the NMN.
NMN is the only way to repair the collateral damage from mRNA.

John H.
John H.
January 18, 2022 9:37 pm

Bruce of Newcastlesays:
January 18, 2022 at 9:09 pm
Experts say impotent men are using ‘sounding’ as a ‘home-remedy’ to stay firm

Max firmness!

Men seeking heightened masculinity go nuts(synthol)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q7dg7DTtJE

rosie
rosie
January 18, 2022 9:38 pm

I’m at the bus stop two hours early. You could have obliged with 300 posts in the last half-hour.
Andre Norton better be readable.

Barry
Barry
January 18, 2022 9:40 pm

Myocarditis is not necessarily some mild disease that one recovers from without long term effects.

It can lead to sensitization of the atrial substrate and progress to atrial fibrillation, which in young people is highly resistant to chemical and ablation treatments.

It doesn’t happen immediately, as the atrial substrate ages naturally, the effect of the micro-insults caused by the myocarditis is to create new trigger sites for atrial fibrillation. Atrial fibrillation, while being severely debilitating in the young, is also a leading cause of stroke.

So we could be looking at a whole generation of 40yo men, instead of being in their prime, disabled with early onset atrial fibrillation, untreatable due to their young age, and some vegetabled or dead from stroke.

We. Just. Don’t. Know. Yet.

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 18, 2022 9:42 pm

The History Guy channel on youtube is one of my favourites.

Forgotten Battle of Thermopylae: The Celtic Invasion of Greece

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5cizVNSNEI

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 18, 2022 9:45 pm

Liquidator story #1.

Forum Group founder Bill Papas’s $5000 a night weekender hits market with record price in view
House of cards company being liquidated.
The assets include a luxury waterfront property.
In the hottest property market known to man, they have employed a model to drape herself over it to sell it.
Possibly excessive.
But the i’s will be dotted and t’s crossed. It is an actual outgoing and there will be a real estate agent’s opinion on file saying a bit of cleavage will improve the sale price.
The point is, that would probably survive a court hallenge.
If the liquidators proposed, say, 5% of property sale to cover that part of the liquidation, they would be on shaky ground.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 18, 2022 9:46 pm

Looking back on the Covid Psyop, one thing has been non negotiable:
The Vaxx is a positive for oldsters.
Now, you might say this is Magical thinking, since if fit 16 year olds are dropping dead like flies, how’s it going to help a 93 year old with a terminal illness?

Indolent
Indolent
January 18, 2022 9:47 pm

As to treatment, you cant unscramble an egg, but vax injuries are generally caused by toxic effects of the spike proteins, and I have heard said that Ivermectin can be useful as it binds to spike proteins, inactivating them.

And please, no more jabs! You don’t have to be a doctor to know that it can only exacerbate the problem.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 18, 2022 9:50 pm

Now, you might say this is Magical thinking, since if fit 16 year olds are dropping dead like flies, how’s it going to help a 93 year old with a terminal illness?

JC, Ed’s sundowning again.

Where’s that paddle you use when he starts clinging to the roof like a panicked spider?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 18, 2022 9:50 pm

This is a dude who initiates a lawsuit every other day. I wonder if they accumulate on public holidays. Like we had two public holidays on Monday and Tuesday after Xmas and new year. Would big fat Clive add 2 more law suits for those days?

That’s actionable!!

Figures
Figures
January 18, 2022 9:50 pm

chemo patients endure a ton of assorted side effects. Should we stop administering chemo because, you know, it has serious side effects.

Yes we should stop chemo. Useless and dangerous.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 18, 2022 9:53 pm

John H – Eww. Synthol sounds like something I really don’t want to do. Certainly not instead of “expanding foam” anyway.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 18, 2022 9:56 pm

feelthebernsays:

January 18, 2022 at 9:34 pm

Administrators are appointed by the biggest creditor.
Blame them.

Exactly.
As I say, they have to suck up a lot of full tote odds hourly rates and stringing out the hours.
But they will not buy into anything which is a lump sum payday for the liquidators which significantly drops their cents/$.
To think Fat Cloive got his arm twisted on that one is laughable.

JC
JC
January 18, 2022 9:56 pm

Figures

You could be sued for unprofessional conduct making those sorts of comments. That’s actionable .

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 18, 2022 9:56 pm

Yes we should stop chemo. Useless and dangerous.

Especially when it’s all just weakness manifesting itself in the body, eh Chad Thunderbrain?

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 18, 2022 9:58 pm

Speaking of panicked spiders, Grigory’s antics have always reminded me of Drat the spider from that old classic The Trap Door.

Except he’s far less endearing…

JC
JC
January 18, 2022 9:59 pm

JC, Ed’s sundowning again.

I saw, I saw. So sad. I believe they give dementia patients ice cream at sundown to help them get through it easier.

Hey Ed , what’s your favourite flavour they bring you?

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 18, 2022 10:01 pm

Hey Ed , what’s your favourite flavour they bring you?

Cold Rock.

Strength of dose determined by how many flights of stairs the staff drop it from…

#Snerk

JC
JC
January 18, 2022 10:01 pm

Anyone have an estimate on Big Fat Clive’s annual legal fees?

I open the betting at $25 mill.

John H.
John H.
January 18, 2022 10:09 pm

Rex Angersays:
January 18, 2022 at 9:50 pm
Now, you might say this is Magical thinking, since if fit 16 year olds are dropping dead like flies, how’s it going to help a 93 year old with a terminal illness?

JC, Ed’s sundowning again.

Where’s that paddle you use when he starts clinging to the roof like a panicked spider?

Wow Rex, I haven’t thought of the word “sundowning” for over 20 years when I was looking into in relation to dementia.

Indolent
Indolent
January 18, 2022 10:15 pm
shatterzzz
January 18, 2022 10:16 pm

Yes we should stop chemo. Useless and dangerous.

If not for chemo I’d have been brown bread 10 years ago .. 8 days straight then fortnightly for several months .. wasn’t pleasant but it was what saved/cured me …… then 12 months to get back to normal .. weight/energy/ a life .. but since then all good ……!

shatterzzz
January 18, 2022 10:19 pm

Anyone have an estimate on Big Fat Clive’s annual legal fees?
I open the betting at $25 mill.

Which is probably less, to Cloive, than the $20 a week I allot myself for sports betting .. LOL!

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 18, 2022 10:19 pm

I’m sure plenty of Cats are curious about the Bolo Punch
Kid Gavilan made it famous, basically it’s a hammer punch thrown sideways.
Gavilan had been a canecutter in Cuba so the muscle memory part of it wasn’t a problem.
Here’s the Keed against a badly outmatched Chuck Davey for the Welterweight title, 1953.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_Cw8nydLdQ

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 18, 2022 10:19 pm

Wow Rex, I haven’t thought of the word “sundowning” for over 20 years when I was looking into in relation to dementia.

That’s OK, John H.

I was referencing a joke JC made at Grigory’s expense a few days back.

I remember learning about the physiology of dementia as part of work I once did in Sleep Science, but few dementia patients tend to agree with wearing a CPAP or NIV mask (ditto with some schizophrenics), so even the most dedicated of Public Health doctors give up after a while and I saw very few for studies.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 18, 2022 10:20 pm

I’m sure plenty of Cats are curious about the Bolo Punch

Only if you respond to it, Grigory.

You are one of the few idiots out there who seems truly impervious to blunt-force trauma.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 18, 2022 10:21 pm

Anyway, that’s what Scotty did to the Media last week.
Down the Memory Hole, this week.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
January 18, 2022 10:22 pm

Wowee, if remotely true no wonder why they were all squabbling over QNI and why some moved when they did.

https://www.australianmining.com.au/news/clive-palmer-targets-6bn-cobalt-queensland-tailings/

There’s a bit of business in reworking old tailings, especially if the comodity price is right.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 18, 2022 10:23 pm

Anyway, that’s what Scotty did to the Media last week.

Scotty did something to the media last week, Grigory?

Or did the media do something to Scotty, and you are trying to gaslight otherwise?

EvilElvis
EvilElvis
January 18, 2022 10:23 pm

By the way, telling a professional athelete they can’t exercise for 6 months is no small thing.

If it only saves one octogenarian…

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 18, 2022 10:32 pm

The Magical Thinking also works with oldsters who die not too long after being jabbed.
No, they died with Covid, not of Covid.
2 lies for the price of one there?

cohenite
January 18, 2022 10:33 pm

There are recommended rates set by accounting associations just as there are for lawyers.

Actually there are prescribed, recommended and criteria based rates for both. Liquidators have a little bit more flexibility under Schedule 2, Corporations Act 2001. But I do this for a living and that’ll do me.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 18, 2022 10:37 pm

JCsays:

January 18, 2022 at 10:01 pm

Anyone have an estimate on Big Fat Clive’s annual legal fees?

There is a serious side to this.
Fat Cloive identified a PR disaster in the failure to pay entitlements at the Townsville refinery.
He put out an easily disproved story that it had “Nafink to do wif me” which the disciples bought hook, line and sinker.
The lesson is, put Fat Cloive under the microscope and force his candidates to offer a bit more than “no mandates” and “we’re not them”.
Otherwise you will get 3-4 senators who repeat what he did last time around.
That is, settle old scores with Liberal foes and prosecute Fat Cloive’s personal agenda.

custard
custard
January 18, 2022 10:38 pm

I don’t particularly like the fat bastard.

But I agree largely with his disagreement with the WA state government.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 18, 2022 10:39 pm

Anyway, forget the Vaxxination caused Epidemic, on to more important things.
One of the Petrol Major, not saying which, is also a food retailer.
The glass automatic doors into the shop, as well as the glass panels either side, have yellow tape about 3 inches wide running across, making a number of different swastika patterns.
Coincidence of course, marketers would never do anything that dastardly intentionally.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 18, 2022 10:47 pm

‘ I tell a lotta lies, pal.’

Taxi driver-grade nuffery.

Megan
Megan
January 18, 2022 10:50 pm

I wouldn’t be worried about it because you previously mentioned normal ECG but they should have checked for troponin.

Thanks, John. I’ll make sure he gets it checked before lining up for jab 3.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 18, 2022 10:52 pm

How did the TwoStix/Sancho dialogue end up?
I seem to remember Twostix as a Gal, but this latest TwoStix talks like a dude, sort of BundyRum Lite.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 18, 2022 10:55 pm

2 lies for the price of one there?

It is quite difficult to determine if any of your inane ramblings actually qualify as lies, Grigory. Too much stream of unconsciousness, too little discernible misinformation.

Maybe you should just stick to ALP and Democrat talking points- For all their insanity, they are at least several degrees of magnitude more coherent than the usual tripe you try to troll us with…

Megan
Megan
January 18, 2022 10:56 pm

And will also suggest the VitD and NMN supplements mentioned by John H. and bern.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 18, 2022 10:59 pm

One of the Petrol Major, not saying which, is also a food retailer.

Everybody sells at minimum a half-dead sandwich, mouth-burning pie and choice of coca-cola or cadbury-schweppes brand soft drinks, Grigory.

That makes them all food retailers.

Less gypsum-powered ‘tarding on this blog, please.

As KD says, you are an embarrassment to taxi drivers.

‘Nuff[-nuff] said…

Speedbox
January 18, 2022 10:59 pm

JC says:
January 18, 2022 at 10:01 pm
Anyone have an estimate on Big Fat Clive’s annual legal fees?

I’m sure they’re significant but by most reports Clive earns $300m+ each year from royalties alone. Plus his other business interests, Clive probably enjoys and income north of $500m per annum.

He may consider $20m (or whatever it is) in legals just to be a pain as fair value. (and tax deductable of course).

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
January 18, 2022 11:02 pm

The glass automatic doors into the shop, as well as the glass panels either side, have yellow tape about 3 inches wide running across, making a number of different swastika patterns

Grigory needs to stop eating cheese before bedtime and reading Sanskrit symbology textbooks as an insomnia treatment.

The concussions are spoiling some good-quality cheese nightmares and turning them into waking delusions…

Iron Cove
Iron Cove
January 18, 2022 11:07 pm

Report from Victoria St Darlinghurst today, once (perhaps) the most vibrant block in Sydney town.
Home of the Coluzzi Bar and star spotter central. I’ve ‘shared ‘ coffee there with Weaver, Brown, Waterstreet et al.
Now a wasteland with eight of twenty two shops vacant in the one block.
Of the remaining 14, one closed due to illness, 2 only serving takeaway coffee at 1 pm.
Seems like the pursuit of happiness is being denied us.

Thefrollickingmole
Thefrollickingmole
January 18, 2022 11:14 pm

Iron Cove

They are merely resting.
Hibernating and waiting to spring back to life as the first green shoots of recovery trickle down from on high like a stream of gold outside a night trip kebab shop alley.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 18, 2022 11:14 pm

Just running my eye down the list of tennis players representing Australia at the Australian Open
..
Women’s singles.
Ash Barty
Ajla Tomljanovic
Astra Sharma
Storm Sanders
Maddison Inglis
Priscilla Hon
Daria Saville
Sam Stosur

Men’s singles
Alex de Minaur
James Duckworth
Alexei Popyrin
Jordan Thompson
John Millman
Nick Kyrgios
Alex Bolt
Thanasi Kokkinakis
Aleksandar Vukic
Chris O’Connell

As someone who holds a Brit-superiority view of Australian life, there seems to me to be far too many Johnny-come-latelys on the list.

jupes
jupes
January 18, 2022 11:16 pm

The lesson is, put Fat Cloive under the microscope and force his candidates to offer a bit more than “no mandates” and “we’re not them”.
Otherwise you will get 3-4 senators who repeat what he did last time around.
That is, settle old scores with Liberal foes and prosecute Fat Cloive’s personal agenda.

The Big Fella was unfocused last time. All over the shop. Worse than useless. Not any more.

Covid is the issue that will be the making of him. He fights the WA government on multiple fronts. They had to legislate against him, as an individual, to win. With Trump gone, Clive is now the Emmanuel Goldstein of the West Australian press. He fights the Chicoms. He will take the fight to the SFLs in parliament. This is his time. He gets my vote.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 18, 2022 11:20 pm

The Big Fella was unfocused last time. All over the shop. Worse than useless. Not any more.

I am not convinced.
Not to say I can’t be convinced.
Look, he’s running “Craig Kelly for P.M.” adverts.
Right.
You want to form government.
You need a lot more specific policies than what he’s got now.
I am LDP unless The Fat Bastard shows a lot more rock solid policy.
A lot.

Iron Cove
Iron Cove
January 18, 2022 11:21 pm

Nah, Mole. The one new shop I town is selling donuts.
When too mush sugar is never enough.

Indolent
Indolent
January 18, 2022 11:22 pm
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 18, 2022 11:24 pm

This one’s for agricultural type Cats.

When we “had the farm” I had an arrangement with the local indigenous. They were welcome to come out every so often, and shoot a couple of kangaroos – I was told that the kangaroos on our place made really good eating – provided that they “checked in” at the house, and left any gates as they found them.

My share -farmer has been on the blower – he heard shots a few days ago, went to investigate, and found two carloads of the younger generation of said indigenous on the place. When challenged, they claimed it was “Aboriginal land.” The local police declined to get involved, and it’s subsequently emerged that said indigenous shot several kangaroos – including two of a rare and endangered species, and left the carcasses to rot, and act as a breeding ground for flies….

Davey Boy
Davey Boy
January 18, 2022 11:30 pm

another win for government IT systems:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/nsw-will-not-use-ivote-system-for-elections-until-extensive-reconfiguration-is-made/

The NSW Electoral Commission (NSWEC) has announced it will not use the iVote system again until “extensive reconfiguration and testing” is undertaken.

During local elections last month, an unknown number of voters were unable to cast a vote due to the state’s iVote online voting system suffering a failure for a portion of the voting period. In the immediate aftermath, the NSWEC attributed the iVote online voting system failure to a higher-than-expected elector load, with around 650,000 people using the system during the local elections last month.

“Almost triple the number of voters have used iVote at these elections than any previous election,” NSWEC said at the time.

Just before the year wrapped up, the state’s electoral commissioner revealed the iVote system failure during the state’s local elections last month may have materially impacted councillor elections in Kempsey, Singleton, and the City of Shellharbour.

Providing another update yesterday, the electoral commissioner John Schmidt said the iVote system would not be used until the issues experienced last month were rectified. The NSWEC said it was still undertaking a comprehensive review and analysis of the root cause of the problem that surfaced on the iVote system.

Schmidt explained that there is currently no backup support available to enable iVote to be offered at state or local government by-elections in the near future, and that the NSWEC would focus on preparing the system for use at the 2023 state general election.

so much winning, we’re getting tired of it.

Iron Cove
Iron Cove
January 18, 2022 11:34 pm

Same same Zulu
They plot no course
No knowledge of their past.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 18, 2022 11:36 pm

Groogs, I’m not sure you should post comments at this time of night if you have been working with formaldehyde all day. You have a reputation to maintain.

MatrixTransform
January 18, 2022 11:47 pm

https://twitter.com/andrewbogut/status/1483398403849863168?s=20

ffs … it’s Article 58 all over again

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 18, 2022 11:47 pm

With Trump gone, Clive is now the Emmanuel Goldstein of the West Australian press. He fights the Chicoms.

And this is exactly the point.
He only “fought Chicoms” when it suited his commercial interests.
It wasn’t ideological.
If his business interests align with the Chinese in 12 months time, he will be singing their praises.
Remember.
This is the bloke who was going to fight for Strayan coal jerbs.
Nek minnit, he’s got his hand down Al Gore’s pants.

John H.
John H.
January 18, 2022 11:54 pm

dover0beachsays:
January 18, 2022 at 10:02 pm
Football players in their prime are not cancer patients weighing up treatments for a life-threatening condition. COVID would not worry a single healthy 20-something let alone a 20-something professional athelete so the cost-benefit analysis is straightforward even if myocarditis is ‘mild’. By the way, telling a professional athelete they can’t exercise for 6 months is no small thing.

Before COVID that was the advice provided(2009)

When myocarditis is verified, athletes have to withdraw from sport for at least 6 months. Before restarting physical activity, a detailed examination is necessary and most of the patients will undergo another EMB. For prevention of myocarditis and sudden cardiac death it is recommended to stop elite sport for 4 weeks after an unspecific infection. Whether moderate sport can be started earlier is unclear.

When I was young over training was a constant bad habit. Telling an actual athlete not to train for 6 months is remarkably optimistic. I say this after having just come back from a late night training session at the gym which means I will be up for several hours yet. Full abstract below.

me no expert only read very little but from what I have read two important points:

acute myocarditis rarely if ever has long term implications but must be monitored to ensure it does not become chronic because very bad things can happen.
Sudden death in athletes from cardiac issues has very mixed causes with congenital issues, hypertrophic cardiomyopathy(big heart) appearing to be the major ones. Myocarditis as an issue is very difficult to determine because it can easily go undiagnosed.

Herz
. 2009 Jun;34(4):299-304. doi: 10.1007/s00059-009-3237-2.
[Myocarditis and sudden cardiac death in athletes. Diagnosis, treatment, and prevention]
[Article in German]

Affiliations expand
PMID: 19575161 DOI: 10.1007/s00059-009-3237-2
Abstract
Myocarditis is the reason for sudden cardiac death in 5-22% of athletes < 35 years of age. Actually, parvovirus B19 and human herpes virus 6 are the most important pathogens. Clinical presentation of myocarditis is heterogeneous, with all courses between asymptomatic and fulminant reported. Especially in athletes it is important to take subtle discomforts seriously and initiate further evaluation. Electrocardiogram, laboratory parameters, serologic markers, and echocardiography are helpful in diagnosis of myocarditis, but are not specific. Magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) of the heart has become an important tool in the evaluation of patients with myocarditis and allows noninvasive appraisal of myocardial inflammation using late enhancement. However, MRI is not able to assess viral persistence. Therefore, endomyocardial biopsy (EMB) remains the gold standard in diagnosis of myocarditis. When considering EMB in these athletes one should not ignore spontaneous healing in 50% of patients with myocarditis. Contrariwise, specific therapy (e.g., immunosuppression, interferon, immunoglobulins) for myocarditis is only feasible after getting results of EMB. When myocarditis is verified, athletes have to withdraw from sport for at least 6 months. Before restarting physical activity, a detailed examination is necessary and most of the patients will undergo another EMB. For prevention of myocarditis and sudden cardiac death it is recommended to stop elite sport for 4 weeks after an unspecific infection. Whether moderate sport can be started earlier is unclear.

MatrixTransform
January 19, 2022 12:01 am

Sudden death in athletes from cardiac issues has very mixed causes

especially lately right ?

…do you reckon it’s related to sunspots?

MatrixTransform
January 19, 2022 12:04 am

Oh … I missed the bit about herpes

probably Tinder, or Grindr

MatrixTransform
January 19, 2022 12:05 am

For prevention of myocarditis and sudden cardiac death it is recommended to stop elite sport for 4 weeks after an unspecific infection injection.

FIFY

jupes
jupes
January 19, 2022 12:06 am

He only “fought Chicoms” when it suited his commercial interests.

Maybe he didn’t like them ripping him off. I don’t know the details, only that he fights (and wins). Compare that to Twiggy bringing a Chicom flunky to a federal minister’s press conference. Can’t imagine Clive doing that.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure
Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure
January 19, 2022 12:12 am

MatrixTransform says: January 18, 2022 at 11:47 pm

https://twitter.com/andrewbogut/status/1483398403849863168?s=20
ffs … it’s Article 58 all over again

Here it is:

Our Ref: VEC-05408-D1T5B4
10th December 2021
Andrew Bogut
[address redacted]
Dear Mr Bogut
This notice advises you that you appear to have failed to comply with the requirements for the publication of electoral advertisements, handbills, pamphlets or notices (Authorisation Requirement) under section 83(1) of the Electoral Act 2002 (Electoral Act).

This notice is a formal caution for non-compliance with the Electoral Act. The fact that a notice has been issued is taken into account when considering whether proceedings should be instituted against you for any future non-compliance with section 83 of the Electoral Act.

The Victorian Electoral Commission (VEC) was requested to assess a message posted to the Twitter account @adnrewbogut on 27 October 2021. It is understood that this account is registered by and maintained on you behalf.

Description of the advertisement
The post made the statement “Vote them out!” accompanied by an embedded media clip directing viewers to a website (votethemout.com.au). The media clip announced and captioned that (inter alia) “No politician in Victoria should vote to give this Government permanent pandemic powers.” An image of three current members of the Victorian Parliament was accompanied by the statement, “If these politicians vote these laws in, make sure you vote them out.”

Description of the relevant offence
The VEC has assessed the post and determined that it likely constitutes an electoral advertisement, handbill, pamphlet or notice, as defined by the section 3 of the Electoral Act, as it contains electoral matter intended or likely to affect voting in an election. If it contains a reference to or comment on the things in section 4(2) of the Electoral Act, a person must not person must not print, publish or distribute or cause, permit or authorise to be printed, published or distributed, an electoral advertisement, handbill, pamphlet or notice unless the name and address of the person who authorised the electoral advertisement, handbill, pamphlet or notice appears.

Social media posts are not listed in section 83(3) of the Electoral Act, which prescribes items to which the which the Authorisation Requirement does not apply.

If found guilty of an offence against section 83(3) of the Electoral Act, the prescribed penalty for a natural person is 10 penalty units (equivalent to $1,817 as at 1 July 2021) and for a body corporate is 50 penalty units (equivalent to $9,087 as at 1 July 2021).

Purpose of this notice
You are requested to immediately act to prevent any further offending against section 83 of the Electoral Act, including taking corrective action in relation to electoral advertisements, handbills, pamphlets or notices. For instance, an electoral advertisement, handbill, pamphlet or notice posted to the Internet (including to a social media platform) must be authorised or link directly to an authorisation statement.

This notice does not prevent you from publishing any electoral advertisements, handbills, pamphlets or notices which properly comply with the Authorisation Requirement.

Further action or information
Any further offending against section 83(3) of the Electoral Act may result in prosecution. The fact that this notice has been issued is taken into account when considering whether proceedings should be instituted against you for future non-compliance with section 83 of the Electoral Act.

If you believe that this notice has been issued in error and wish to request for it to be corrected or withdrawn, please make that request in writing to:
Email: [email protected] (refer to Case No. VEC-05323-F8Q6R3)
Post: Director, Electoral Integrity and Regulation
Victorian Electoral Commission
Level 11, 530 Collins Street
Melbourne VIC 3000

MatrixTransform
January 19, 2022 12:19 am

Social media posts are not listed in section 83(3) of the Electoral Act, which prescribes items to which the which the Authorisation Requirement does not apply.

fucking hell it’s prescriptive.

vote the mongs out

signed MatrixTransform
PO Box 666, FuckOffTown. Vic, Aust

ps: maybe Faulty was right?

MatrixTransform
January 19, 2022 12:23 am

to which the which the

and written by school girls

what a farce

MatrixTransform
January 19, 2022 12:30 am

imagine how dedicated the Director, Electoral Integrity and Regulation must be.
Scrutinising social media to nip this sort of thing in the bud

tip of the iceberg I’m sure

MatrixTransform
January 19, 2022 12:32 am

goodnight comrades

MatrixTransform
January 19, 2022 12:45 am

ELECTORAL ACT 2002
– SECT 4
Electoral matter

(1) In this Act, “electoral matter”
means matter which is intended or likely to affect voting in an
election.

(2) Without limiting the generality of the definition
of “electoral matter”, matter is to be taken to be intended or
likely to affect voting in an election if it contains an express or implicit
reference to, or comment on—

(a) the election; or

(b) the Government, the Opposition, a previous Government or a previous
Opposition, of the State; or

(c) the Government, the Opposition, a previous Government or a previous
Opposition, of the Commonwealth or any other State or a Territory of the
Commonwealth; or

(d) a member or a former member of the Parliament or the Parliament of the
Commonwealth, any other State or a Territory of the Commonwealth; or

(e) a political party, a branch or division of a political party or a
candidate in the election; or

(f) an issue submitted to, or otherwise before, the electors in connection
with the election.

MatrixTransform
January 19, 2022 12:45 am

first rule about Electoral matter …

feelthebern
feelthebern
January 19, 2022 12:47 am

Nick Kyrgios is the biggest conundrum in modern day Australian sport.
If he had half the work ethic of Federer, he’d have at least two grand slam titles by now and be getting through to the business end of all the major tournaments.
I can’t think of another example of natural talent being wasted like this.

MatrixTransform
January 19, 2022 12:51 am

ffs … shit hole-ification in progress

please stand-by while your gulag is constructed.

MatrixTransform
January 19, 2022 12:53 am

If he had half the work ethic of Federer

work in progress
he only has one arm with a tattoo sleeve
when the other one is complete
look out

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
January 19, 2022 12:58 am

Ok it’s hot and I’m cranky- words have meanings, don’t let them be debauched.
The batflu is not a pandemic.
The jabs are not vaccines.
The regulations are not mandates.
And the Open tennis championships are not Grand Slams.

MatrixTransform
January 19, 2022 1:11 am

see here’s the thing.
the act is prescriptive

unreal heh, in 2002 when the act was written you prolly had a dial up modem and a library card.

but now, your comment up the interwebs … doesn’t matter what
your comment is a breach unless you attach your name and address

a couple of days ago it was “The Vibe” at a federal level to kick the Serb out
not that it’s against the law to be un-vaccinated, we aren’t heathens you know

and now … in Vic … you need to watch you Ps and Qs

… I think we may be about to make a push for the summit on Mt Stupid

John H.
John H.
January 19, 2022 2:47 am

MatrixTransformsays:
January 19, 2022 at 1:11 am

… I think we may be about to make a push for the summit on Mt Stupid

We haven’t even reached base camp.

Bluey
Bluey
January 19, 2022 3:53 am

Isn’t there a quote about the limits of the universe and human stupidity?

Tom
Tom
January 19, 2022 4:00 am
Tom
Tom
January 19, 2022 4:01 am
Tom
Tom
January 19, 2022 4:02 am
Tom
Tom
January 19, 2022 4:04 am
Tom
Tom
January 19, 2022 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
January 19, 2022 4:06 am
Tom
Tom
January 19, 2022 4:07 am
Tom
Tom
January 19, 2022 4:08 am
Tom
Tom
January 19, 2022 4:09 am
Tom
Tom
January 19, 2022 4:10 am
Tom
Tom
January 19, 2022 4:14 am

Ben Garrison and Scott Adams are having an online spat. From Garrison’s latest newsletter:

Scott Adams, the creator of the popular comic strip ‘Dilbert,’ defended getting vaccinated against Covid because he believes in science. Apparently the cartoonist and self-proclaimed hypnotist was himself hypnotized by the legacy media and corrupt medical experts such as Fauci. They convinced him to get the jabs. Had he carried out any kind of independent research, he might have made a smarter decision.

Which led to this.

Tom
Tom
January 19, 2022 4:15 am
Dot
Dot
January 19, 2022 4:49 am

That Bogut stuff from the VIC Election Office is just sick, authoritarian nonsense.

You can’t imagine a worse enough fate for these Walter Mitty fascist jobsworths.

They are the kind who will never be punished, take a sweet civil servant retirement, then set up a ridiculous “Walking Council” and “National Cloth Banner” outfit with a fax machine and a 9′ x 6′ office in their back garden shed.

Harald R Scooby is probably their name. Good friends with Mr and Mrs Pirate. Dawn service starts with a belt of vegan Scrumpy and regimental tent salute.

Dot
Dot
January 19, 2022 4:50 am

Anyone want to explain why The Marriage of Figaro was politically provocative?

rosie
rosie
January 19, 2022 4:57 am

No

rosie
rosie
January 19, 2022 5:28 am

I have arrived.
The first part of the bus trip was right along the edge of the Mediterranean though eventually the mountains on the left receded, though they never disappeared, usual Mediterranean landscape, olives, vineyards, sheep, cows and the odd mandarin orchard.
The mountains further west were snowcapped and sometimes in front on the closer mountains you saw a village perched somewhat uncomfortably on top of somewhere formidable with nothing but trees for company.
I’m wondering whether pirates were a problem though I thought Corsicans went in for that type of thing themselves.
Anyhow very beautiful, from south to north, though clearly somewhat gold coasty in parts a great deal of construction going on too.
I’d have liked to have ventured into the mountains, another time.
A few times I glimpsed remnants of the old train line, a tunnel entrance, the approaches to a missing bridge, some sections repurposed as walking trails.
There were a couple more passengers picked up and the bus driver collected a total of three very small parcels on the way.
The approach into Bastio is via a long long tunnel under the old citadel, then the bus does a U turn and stops near a big square with lots of restaurants facing the harbour.
It was a nice walk even dragging a suitcase to where I’m staying up in the old town with a view of a smaller harbour and yet another church of St John the Baptist.
It’s a very attractive view almost worth the two story climb up tight twisty crumbling stairs with no lights and my stupid suitcase.
Actually the apartment is very nice, recently renovated and very spacious.
And there was a torch with the welcome message in the kitchen.
I’ve scoped out the train timetable to Ajaccio and onwards to Marseilles. Looks pretty straightforward.
Bastio is much bigger that Porto-Vecchio so keen to look around more tomorrow.

Gabor
Gabor
January 19, 2022 5:28 am

Dot says:
January 19, 2022 at 4:50 am

Anyone want to explain why The Marriage of Figaro was politically provocative?

You can find it easily enough. In short, the libretto was critical of the ruling class, couldn’t have that then or now.

Hate to bring it up but he Djokovic affair demonstrates it perfectly, what bloody harm would he represent to the Aus. Community, being unvaxed?
Specially that we are all vaxed to the eyeballs and supposedly safe as houses?

Mak Siccar
Mak Siccar
January 19, 2022 5:50 am

Help!

Is anyone able to point me to a reputable study – preferably double blind – that clearly shows that being double injected (as opposed to being not injected at all) significantly reduces the probability of serious illness/hospitalisation/death due to Covid?

This claim (that it does significantly reduce the probability) has been made time and time again and, if I am to survive the repeated ambushes from my injected wife, I need solid evidence to counteract this assertion.

Many thanks in anticipation.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 19, 2022 6:09 am

Here’s what really happened:
1. Scotty told a presser on Friday 7/1.22 that the Victorian Government had invited and accepted Joker’s unvaxxed status and he wasn’t buying into it.
7 pm that night, Border Force arrest joker, cancel his Visa, interrogate him for hours
2.Saturday morning, Family Court Judge reinstates visa.
What are the chances that this was a deliberate attempt to wedge the Morrison Government?
100%, since we haven’t heard any bleating about separation of powers, reprehensible conduct etc, which must have happened if Scotty was behind it, right?
Was Joker stooged up by the Trotskyite Andrews Government, or was he in on the scam?
I’d lean towards Joker being in on it, trying to further his political ambitions in Serbia.

Ed Case
Ed Case
January 19, 2022 6:13 am

Is anyone able to point me to a reputable study – preferably double blind – that clearly shows that being double injected (as opposed to being not injected at all) significantly reduces the probability of serious illness/hospitalisation/death due to Covid?

Getting Double Tetanus Vaxxed will reduce your chances of being hospitalised with Covid.
So will dancing the polka, taking up landscape painting, and howling at the moon.
Because there’s no covid, never was.

Anchor What
Anchor What
January 19, 2022 6:34 am

No evidence of cheating in the 2020 election? As the evidence slowly emerges despite the best efforts of the MSM and others to suppress it or delete it entirely, polls reveal rising concern.
Latest Rasmussen poll finds that the majority 58% think it likely, and higher percentages think voting rules make it more likely. 70% think wider use of mail ballots will lead to more cheating.
There’s more.

Mak Siccar
Mak Siccar
January 19, 2022 6:41 am

Ed Case says:
January 19, 2022 at 6:13 am

Because there’s no covid, never was.

You may be right, but please provide unassailable evidence to support your assertion.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 19, 2022 6:54 am

Mak Siccar – The study I put up yesterday has a lot of data.

It shows in Scotland that there is no improvement in hospitalization chance between unvaccinated and 2 dose vaccination. See this graphic RHS column (official Scottish Health data which is linked in the study).

Then there is the Ontario data which is also covered. It shows this:

In Ontario, “…receipt of 2 doses of COVID-19 vaccines was not protective against Omicron infection at any point in time, and vaccine effectiveness was -38% 120-179 days and -42% 180-239 days after the second dose.”

Yes, negative efficiency. I think that is because the vaccine clears out a class of leucocytes which are first responders. The vaccine then stimulates production of antibodies by other leucocytes, but the omicron spike protein is so different from the original that they don’t work very well either.

Even when there is some initial protection, as the Danish and British data show, that is gone after 3 to 4 months, and the protection is again negative since the antibodies have gone by that time.

Primary links to papers are given in the blog post, but I haven’t examined the papers myself.

I realize this doesn’t answer your question. What it does seem to say though is the vaccines are useless or worse against omicron, which is the one prevalent here. Indeed there’s data around, I think, that says an omicron infection is cross-protective against delta and other strains, which if true would make omicron almost a vaccine itself.

sfw
sfw
January 19, 2022 7:22 am

How’s the global warming going around the country at the moment? I’m in NE Vic and we’ve had the coolest wettest summer ever here. Talking with people in their 80’s none can remember one like this. I think we’ve had only a couple of days in the low 30’s and mostly it’s been in the mid to high twenties and more steady rain than any other summer. Everything is green, the tomatoes won’t ripen and it’s just plain cool and wet most of the time.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 19, 2022 7:30 am

Mak – Jo Nova had a blog post on the Scottish data too, a few days ago. It was reported in Herald Scotland, a newspaper. The key graph is this one. It’s good because it simplifies the data to the essentials.

What you see in this graph is that double-vaxxed people are roughly twice as likely to be hospitalized as unvaccinated people. That is in keeping with the time since the original double vaccination doses, which in Scotland must be around six month or more for much of the population.

The number for boosted people though is down. The booster is giving protection against hospitalization. But that too is in keeping with the time dimension since the booster roll-out has only just gotten underway, so people are at their most antibody-enhanced level.

Which is what we’ve known in the data since the first Israeli and Swedish population data started coming out: boosters three times a year will reduce the danger of covid infections (depending on the strain), but since the vaccine injury danger is so high for these vaccines that approach just transfers the danger from the virus to danger from the boosters – myocarditis, blood clots, autoimmune diseases.

Fortunately omicron is so benign that this doesn’t represent a huge problem. It’s not good, but in absence of ivermectin living with it seems a reasonable risk. (I mention ivermectin because as a protease inhibitor it has a different mode of operation to the vaccines, and protease is common to all the strains.)

In the end it is up to you and your wife of course, and the same for everyone.

It's Remarkable
It’s Remarkable
January 19, 2022 7:30 am

sfw: Cool summer? Very much indeed. Here in Central NSW raining again today, been the wettest summer ever. Hardy a day over 30C, most mid 20’s.
It seems all the measures being taken to prevent global warming have worked, perhaps too well.
Over it.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 19, 2022 7:34 am

It seems probable that yesterday’s “covid scaleback” of the search was because they already knew what had happened but were going through the motions until they made the arrest.

Man charged over nine-year-old’s disappearance

ANGELICA SNOWDEN

A man has been charged with murder over the case of a missing nine-year-old girl from the Blue Mountains.

The child went missing nearly a week ago, when she vanished from the Mount Wilson estate on Thursday. Her disappearance sparked a massive land and air search.

NSW Police said a 32-year-old man will face court on Wednesday after he was denied bail.

“As part of ongoing investigations, detectives attached to Strike Force Buena attended a unit in Riley Street, Surry Hills and arrested a 32-year-old man about 8.30pm (on Tuesday),” a statement read.

“He was taken to Surry Hills Police Station and charged with murder.”

The man was will appear in Central Local Court.

NSW Police did not reveal when and where they discovered the young girl’s body, but said they “will provide further information when available”.

johanna
johanna
January 19, 2022 7:35 am

sfw, in the Canberra region the temp has barely crept above 30C, and then only for a few days. Lots of rain, too.

Usually in January it’s stinking hot – every day well above 30, and up to 40+ at times, with hot, dry westerlies.

Not that I’m complaining, bearing in mind that summer heat and bushfires that burned for weeks, smothering the region in smoke, are of very recent memory.

Anchor What
Anchor What
January 19, 2022 7:36 am

Jo Nova also has a piece on El Salvador’s use of the Ivermectin Plus Other Things approach.
Third World countries have a more sensible approach than we get from our self-important, daily preening pollies.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 19, 2022 7:43 am

Usually in January it’s stinking hot – every day well above 30, and up to 40+ at times, with hot, dry westerlies.

Not being of Bwitish pioneer stock of 100-200 years standing, you’re probably not acclimatised.
🙂

calli
calli
January 19, 2022 7:46 am

Cool here too. Frangis barely flowering, but the hydrangeas and begonias and fuchsias are loving it. Even the dahlias are doing a second flowering.

We haven’t gone above 30C, but it has been very humid. Also had a few very heavy sea mists in the morning. You go out in it, lick your lips and it’s salty.

Vicki
January 19, 2022 7:46 am

The pitchforks are being taken up this morning against George Christiansen since he published an interview with Robert Malone in which Malone advised strongly against vaccination of kids.

I subscribe to George’s newsfeed &use my full name when I comment on his website. I don’t normally worry about revealing my identity. However, I noticed this morning that my comments on a well known blog (not this one !) are “under moderation” despite the fact that they are far from controversial & hasn’t happened in the past.

I mention this because I anticipate that free speech would be further restricted in this country after the deportation of Djokervic. I think we seen ‘nuthin’ yet!

Pogria
Pogria
January 19, 2022 7:47 am

The poor little Angel. I hope her suffering wasn’t long.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
January 19, 2022 7:47 am

Gary Varvel.
Chip Bok.

Haha, thanks Tom!
Since her fine effort there’s now a Kamala Harris Random Platitude Generator.

(h/t Steven Hayward a few days ago.)

Cassie of Sydney
January 19, 2022 7:52 am

“The Big Fella was unfocused last time. All over the shop. Worse than useless. Not any more.

Are people’s memories that short? Clive Palmer’s stint in Canberrra from 2013 to 2016 was a shocker, he was buffoonish and unpleasant, he deliberately sabotaged the Abbott government and his legacy to our political scene was disastrous, look no further than that utterly ghastly bush pig from Tasmania.

The Big Fella wasn’t just “unfocused” last time, he was unpredictable, he was disruptive and he was malevolent. He was frequently nasty about Abbott. He played up to their ABC and the left in general….he lapped up their attention despite the fact that he was being used by them as a weapon to use against Abbott and the Liberals….and Fatty fell for it hook, line and sinker.

Clive Palmer is not the messiah.

Like Sancho, I’m not convinced. I’ll park my vote with the LDP. As far as I’m concerned, the most impressive, consistent politician in this country has been the LDP’s David Limbrick and whilst I don’t live in Victoria and can’t vote for him in the senate, I hope he does well and gets to Canberra because this country needs more men and women like him.

Oh and whilst I haven’t really bought into the “shithole v non-shithole” debate/discussion/disputation (I waiver between the two), I’m sadly resigned to an Albanese government but I hope and pray that the senate is controlled by a coalition of LDP/PHON/UAP with the remaining motley Liberals left to ponder why they’ve been slaughtered…..because if Labor win handsomely in the House of Reps AND the senate……or they form a coalition of sorts with the Greens, like they did in 2010, then this country really will be a shithole and nobody will be able to argue otherwise.

Cassie of Sydney
January 19, 2022 7:54 am

“A man has been charged with murder over the case of a missing nine-year-old girl from the Blue Mountains.

The child went missing nearly a week ago, when she vanished from the Mount Wilson estate on Thursday. Her disappearance sparked a massive land and air search.

NSW Police said a 32-year-old man will face court on Wednesday after he was denied bail.”

The stepfather?

Sad……very sad.

Pogria
Pogria
January 19, 2022 7:55 am

Daily Mail had this a couple of days ago, but hat tip to Michael Smith, Time’s up on Hadley.

Finally, Hadley is having his George Negus moment.

Couldn’t happen to a more deserving character.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 19, 2022 7:59 am

Jupes at 12:06.

Compare that to Twiggy bringing a Chicom flunky to a federal minister’s press conference. Can’t imagine Clive doing that.

I can.
If it suits Fat Cloive’s interests, Chinese will be back on the menu.
He did exactly that with his Al Gore stunt.

Vicki
January 19, 2022 8:00 am

Cassie – you are right. I’m hoping for a 2010 situation – this time with conservative Independants holding balance of power. I think it is quite possible given the anger towards Morrison & despair in respect to Albo & his mates .

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 19, 2022 8:05 am

The stepfather?

Sad……very sad.

Dunno.
But “new Daddy” is often the culprit in these cases.
But it sounds like the search was a bit of street theatre yesterday.
Probably waiting to arrest him at home but not alert him that they were on to him.

miltonf
miltonf
January 19, 2022 8:06 am

I haven’t rushed out to join UAP but if they run a candidate in my HoR seat, I’ll vote UAP. If not I’ll vote informal. In the Senate I’m looking UAP-PHON-LDP.

I agree with all the comments re Palmer and there are a lot of contradictions on the UAP site eg we saved the RET! The Gore connection is a big worry too.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 19, 2022 8:07 am

I’m hoping for a 2010 situation – this time with conservative Independants holding balance of power

Like Oakeshott, Windsor and Katter you mean?

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
January 19, 2022 8:07 am

Zulu Kilo Two Alphasays:
January 18, 2022 at 11:24 pm

Let them know they aren’t welcome anymore. Once that is done locks on gates except to the home stead and hidden cameras where they normally access. People like these are dumb they will access the same points and when stopped by a lock cut through the wire. Then with the footage and numberplates you have them for Trespass and wilful damage, cops can’t ignore then.

Bit of work and out lay but is the only way. Have known a few round rural Queensland that have had to go to similar measures to curb pig hunters.

miltonf
miltonf
January 19, 2022 8:10 am

Like Oakeshott, Windsor and Katter you mean?

Politics really does attract the most venal types.

miltonf
miltonf
January 19, 2022 8:12 am

Two things UAP has going for it- Craig Kelly, Palmer’s money. Good name too.

sfw
sfw
January 19, 2022 8:12 am

Cassie, Limbrick is ok but he is low energy, the LDP are pretty light on for details in their policy section as well. I don’t mind the lack of detail however the same people are using this against the UAP as a reason to not vote for them. There’s so much wrong with the country making detailed policies on almost everything is almost impossible. Far better to have a strong Freedom and Australia first ethic and use that to inform policy.

I think I posted this last year but shortly after the BLM protests went ahead in Vic I suggested that the LDP should’ve called a rally on the steps of parliament house asap to protest Andrews hypocritical stance and the lockdowns. Limbricks response was “What, you want me to break the law?”, unfortunately that was exactly what was needed. I pointed out that I’d do it but being a non entity I would be ignored but it would’ve been a major step for Andrews to have an MP arrested on the steps of parliament. Nope, the LDP are good but not good or strong enough for me.

Mak Siccar
Mak Siccar
January 19, 2022 8:14 am

BoN. Many thanks for your responses. I will digest.

Meanwhile, I was unaware of this study, as described in the Speccie.

https://spectator.com.au/2022/01/the-strange-emergence-of-the-anti-vaxxer-bogeyman/

Presumably Bob, Sir Tony and the rest are unaware of the recent study by Carnegie Mellon University that found the highest represented educational cohort of vaccine opponents are those with a PhD.

sfw
sfw
January 19, 2022 8:14 am

Milton the UAP are running candidates in every seat in Australia as well as the senate, announcements should be made soon.

duncanm
duncanm
January 19, 2022 8:15 am

https://twitter.com/andrewbogut/status/1483398403849863168?s=20
ffs … it’s Article 58 all over again

Fight fire with fire.

Every ‘madfucknwitch’ (or whatever they’re called) and ‘Voices of’ post should be sent to the relevant electoral commission.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 19, 2022 8:15 am

Wait and see Cassie.

As mentioned, stepfather – or, more correctly, ‘Mum’s new boyfriend’ – has historically been well over-represented in the types of people arrested for these sorts of things. It’s not always the case, but step daddy is right up there on the list of people to be spoken to when a young girl or boy disappears in those circumstances.

Cautious as I am of believing everything I read in the papers, this appears to be following the well-worn and absolutely preventable path blazed by so many others. A young life gone, gone in extraordinarily brutal circumstances and gone because other people put their own self-interest before the welfare of their child.

If this turns out the way I think it might, I will have more to say. For now, I’ll keep my counsel.

duncanm
duncanm
January 19, 2022 8:18 am

Cassie of Sydneysays:
January 19, 2022 at 7:54 am
“A man has been charged with murder over the case of a missing nine-year-old girl from the Blue Mountains.

The child went missing nearly a week ago, when she vanished from the Mount Wilson estate on Thursday. Her disappearance sparked a massive land and air search.

NSW Police said a 32-year-old man will face court on Wednesday after he was denied bail.”

The stepfather?

Sad……very sad.

Yes – he’s named in non-NSW news.

Extremely sad, and oh-so predictable once the background of the mum and her squeeze were known.

Devastating for the ‘nan.

duncanm
duncanm
January 19, 2022 8:19 am

I’m with KD, though. Just as likely to be the iced-mum as the step-dad.

Cassie of Sydney
January 19, 2022 8:21 am

“Cassie, Limbrick is ok but he is low energy, the LDP are pretty light on for details in their policy section as well. I don’t mind the lack of detail however the same people are using this against the UAP as a reason to not vote for them. “

Limbrick “low energy”. LOL. I always like to have a good laugh in the morning. And NO, the LDP isn’t light on policy. But go ahead and vote for the UAP and watch it implode like it did last time. If Clive does well…either in the senate of house of reps, watch him interfere……because Clive Palmer doesn’t do anything without expecting payback. He can’t help himself.

I always find it amusing and worrying about this human need for “messiahs”. It’s unhealthy. As I said above, Clive isn’t the messiah and nor is his party the best thing since sliced bread. Clive and Craig are using each other, it’s a marriage of convenience….and good on Craig for doing so, he needs Clive’s dosh and the way he was treated by Scumbag Morrison was outrageous and unforgivable.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 19, 2022 8:22 am

KD at 8:15.
The reports don’t say, but I’ll bet five guineas he’s a Johnny-come-lately.

Cassie of Sydney
January 19, 2022 8:23 am

“Cautious as I am of believing everything I read in the papers, this appears to be following the well-worn and absolutely preventable path blazed by so many others. A young life gone, gone in extraordinarily brutal circumstances and gone because other people put their own self-interest before the welfare of their child.”

Well said KD.

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