Open Thread – Wednesday 23 Mar 2022


Ophelia, John Everett Millais, 1851/52

1,772 responses to “Open Thread – Wednesday 23 Mar 2022”

  1. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Eyrie

    I doubt it. I know the guy who was in the job after him. He actually made Chief of Air Force and is no fool but also was a fighter pilot. So was John Boyd who turned out to be pretty smart.

    My point was that the Air Force is (largely) a fighter mafia. Even dumb ones can go a long way.

  2. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    Retired Air Vice-Marshall Blackburn says renewables would help in the event that our oil imports were interrupted!

    More evidence that the best and brightest aren’t being promoted to the highest ranks.

  3. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    I’m imaging a significant number of Sydney elite running for their lives when they see you coming Cassie .
    Good on you.

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  4. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Ketanji Brown Jackson Can’t Define What A Woman Is: “I’m Not A Biologist”

    This one is fun.

    RNC Research @RNCResearch

    Ketanji Brown Jackson says Critical Race Theory “doesn’t come up in the work that I do as a judge.”

    Senator @tedcruz then reads a quote from her saying that Critical Race Theory is part of her work as judge.

    6:10 AM · Mar 23, 2022

    Ouch.

    (Via Instapundit)

  5. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    In Melbourne Labor royalty like Williamstown.

  6. lotocoti Avatar
    lotocoti

    Or is it a clip from years ago?

    Turns out it’s from 2018.
    Should’ve worked out who the Pollack was first:(

  7. OldOzzie Avatar
    OldOzzie

    Old School Conservativesays:
    March 23, 2022 at 11:51 pm
    “The Science” is getting different interpretations in NSW hospitals.

    RNSH entry process – compulsory QR code, mandatory double vaxx proof required, security guard assigned to assist the numerous clerical staff who check you in, masks compulsory. Once inside each department and ward has its own visitor rules.
    Northern Beaches Hospital – optional QR code, zero staff checking entry, no need to prove vaxx status, no security guard. Masks required though.

    Yet another example of the craziness of decision making during the plandemic, but its all going into the collective forgettery now.

    (The only sliver of silver on the RNSH cloud was that compulsory boosters were not required for entry.)

    mandatory double vaxx proof required

    As a Patient mandatory double vaxx proof not required – at RNSH yesterday (second home), since with smurf hat obvious I am a patient – never used QR code and yesterday could have passed by entrance with just getting dot, but as always gave name – seated secondary check into Department/Ward did not bother to question me

    In theory as unvaxxed have to supply Result PCR or RAT test for Cancer treatment, but no one asked last time

  8. Mother Lode Avatar
    Mother Lode

    Hmm, so why do so many Labor ex and current pollies choose to reside in “snobbish” Liberal party postcodes?

    Yeah, kids whose Mum’s buy their clothes at K-Mart will have a ball living in salubrious multi-millionaire suburbs. They will find a way to keep up with their peers’ hobbies and spending habits.

    In fairness, I know Labor understands this and they are just using this to attack the hapless libs who occasionally say something smart and then can’t remember what they were thinking when they said it.

  9. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Interesting vehicles, many somewhat beaten up.

    Tanks Encyclopedia@tanksenc

    The open conflict between Russia and Ukraine which started on February 24 has seen a number of uncommon vehicles, from prototypes or rare production vehicles to field conversions, used and even lost. This thread will attempt to list and classify some of them.

    12:37 AM · Mar 23, 2022

    Lots of photos from both sides. The armoured tricycle with the Maxim gun is the most amazing.

  10. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    Leftist Pro-Court Packing Group Pushing Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson for SCOTUS Got Soros Money

    There’s hardly a prog-left candidate running for public office in the US who hasn’t received Soros money.

    His son, Alexander, distributes the cash.

    I’m generally not one for conspiracy theories but there’s no shortage of material to work with.

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  11. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    lotocotisays:
    March 24, 2022 at 10:17 am
    Blam.

    Don’t the politicians of Europe have a moral humanitarian duty to step in?
    No.

    He should have asked the stupid blond bint how many Moooslim reffos she would personally host in her home. Because that is what she wants the Poles to do in their home(land).

  12. Old School Conservative Avatar
    Old School Conservative

    Short haul flights getting banned in Europe

    But….but….but how will the elite get to Davos?

  13. srr Avatar
    srr

    Indolent says:
    March 24, 2022 at 8:59 am

    Here’s Newsweek putting their own spin on what Gonzalo Lira has been saying for weeks.

    Putin’s Bombers Could Devastate Ukraine But He’s Holding Back. Here’s Why

    https://www.newsweek.com/putins-bombers-could-devastate-ukraine-hes-holding-back-heres-why-1690494?amp=1

    It will be interesting to see how the denialist’s spin Gonzalo Lira’s, “Suicide of the US”, or if they keep doing what’s popular here and ignoring it.

    I think back to all the, oh so clever, economists, who kept attacking the ‘idiots’ ‘too stupid to understand’ why putting local people out of work & sending their work to far off, foreign, enemy lands, was ‘really smart’.

    I think back to all the, oh so clever, educators, who backed up the economists while sneering down at the, ‘lower classes’ who ‘deserved to be poor’ if they weren’t ‘smart enough’ to move with the times, move away from their families, move away from generational supports, set no permanent roots, learn to code & shit.

    I think back, and look around now, and I see a lot of Gambling Addicts who will never admit that they backed the wrong whores, and so, simply keep taking pot shots at the working stock that could drag their sorry selves out of the bog if they weren’t too repulsed to get close to honest sweat.

  14. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    rosiesays:
    March 24, 2022 at 10:30 am
    I watched the clip, Ukrainians were mentioned so I’m guessing recent.
    Suspect quite a few Ukrainians will opt to never return.

    Given that the Soviets essentially picked up the borders of Poland and moved them some considerable distance east in 1945) and did the same with the eastern border of Germany), they probably have family members in Poland. Lviv used to be a Polish city, as a simple example).

  15. JC Avatar
    JC

    Franx

    There was a mandate of sorts for two shots. There’s nothing being said about others.

    Covid vax mandates are over.

  16. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Postcode snobbery. Never, ever heard of it. Can there be such a thing?

    Not in Victoria.
    It’s a Double Bay vs Queanbeyan thing.

  17. JC Avatar
    JC

    Remind me. Did England ban all political activity during the war? Did they turn their own country into a total dictatorship? There is more at play here This was linked yesterday or the day before.

    YES. Look up Mosley as a famous example.

    Next.

  18. Arky Avatar
    Arky

    dover0beach says:
    March 24, 2022 at 10:39 am

    ..
    Get off those shit sites and make an effort at an unbiased assessment.
    For fuck’s sake.

  19. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    rosie

    Sorry, compass confusion. The Polish borders were moved west in 1945.

  20. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    callisays:

    March 24, 2022 at 10:45 am

    Even so, I still mourn the disgrace that’s been piled on Houston

    Every cloud etc etc.
    Scomo has finally discovered respectful silence and sub judice in relation to sexual misconduct charges.

  21. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Bing Bong!
    Blog traffic re-direction ahead.
    Bing Bong!

  22. shatterzzz Avatar
    shatterzzz

    Also bizarre because there are in fact housing commission houses in Brighton, I know someone that scored one a few years ago.

    There is an entire street in South Strathfield, NSW of 12 HC houses on one side (park on the other) behind Strathfield South Public School nestled in amongst the doctors/lawyers mansions tree lined streets …
    The estate I live in (69 dwellings) in, far western side of Fairfield, is surrounded by commercial/gummint operations ( hospital, high school, shopping centre & plod shop) .. the nearest private residential lot are 100mts away (behind treeline) on the other side of the main thoroughfare thru the area ….

  23. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    All the news that’s fit to choose.

  24. areff Avatar
    areff

    I lived for 10 years in a little house at the end of an old Williamstown dunny lane, directly behind a low-rise Fifties housing commish estate on The Strand (which afforded the residents magnificent water views of the CBD skyline).

    It wasn’t so bad, just so long as

    1/ Your insurance was paid up (three break-ins)
    2/ Security window screens (see above; didn’t do much good, the last time they came through the roof)
    3/ Deranged layabouts knocking on the door to request “loans” because of whatever latest crisis in their mismanaged lives.
    4/ Park the car in a locked garage (side window smashed, small change taken, iPod too. Subsequently, garage broken into, spare keys found on the nail in the rafter, car stolen and written off)
    5/ Wear gloves when gardening, as there are apt to be used syringes tossed over the fence.
    6/ Have telephone number handy for Lort Smith Animal hospital for the boxes of kittens left in lane

    I could go on but won’t, except to note that the disenfranchised and oppressed ethnics who were my neighbours had some very, very nice cars in the parking lot. If they can afford slick wheels, they can afford to pay market rent like the neighbours they drove up the wall.

    And yes, Brighton is the perfect spot for Layabout Housing — right next door to the mansion of Frank McGuire MLA, brother of Eddie, who his happy to represent the good people of Broadmeadows but doesn’t want to live anywhere near them.

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  25. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    They’ve been dumping housos in leafy suburbs for decades. Hasn’t made an iota of difference to anyone as far as I can tell. Perhaps SBS could do a heartwarming series I won’t watch to change my mind.

  26. Old School Conservative Avatar
    Old School Conservative

    Scomo has finally discovered respectful silence and sub judice in relation to sexual misconduct charges.

    Sancho, that’s as good as the best of Tom’s ‘Toons.

  27. dover0beach Avatar

    Covid vax mandates are over.

    People are still being laid off or fired because of them.

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  28. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    Theodore Dalrymple did a column on how you could pick public housing regardless of where it was. It is an attitude not a location.

  29. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    They’ve been dumping housos in leafy suburbs for decades. Hasn’t made an iota of difference to anyone as far as I can tell.

    We lived four doors down from housos in Perth. Fights, loud grog parties and domestics, syringes chucked over the fence and frequent evictions…

  30. Mak Siccar Avatar
    Mak Siccar

    Prof Jim’s latest missive. Well worth the read. The final paragraph.

    https://spectator.com.au/2022/03/the-room-where-it-happened/

    This my friends is the tragedy of every state Liberal operation. And this is why I’ve been predicting a Morrison loss ever since he sold us out on the moronic ‘net zero’ pledge in Glasgow. Nine years of Coalition government and other than stopping the boats they have delivered what any fair observer would call across-the-board Labor outcomes. Now they’re having to pretend we really have four per cent unemployment (see Terry McCrann for a stinging rejoinder) and that they’ve done a splendid job, really splendid. A NY Post headline might read ‘All for conservative stuff… until we’re elected.’

  31. areff Avatar
    areff

    how you could pick public housing regardless of where it was

    High wire fences, guard towers and gate attendants who only let the inmates out to go to work (there’d be very little exit traffic of a workaday morning) would aid identification — and neighbourhood security.

  32. Old School Conservative Avatar
    Old School Conservative

    Old Ozzie, I’m glad the RNSH gave you some latitude.
    I’m following you in next time!

  33. dover0beach Avatar

    Get off those shit sites and make an effort at an unbiased assessment.
    For fuck’s sake.

    Is the French MoD and Gray Connolly now Russian disinformation?

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  34. bespoke Avatar
    bespoke

    BoN

    The control movements on the F22 reminded me of a fish.

    Demonstrates the understanding of 3d environment.

    Truly amazing stuff.

  35. shatterzzz Avatar
    shatterzzz

    White folk proving they do care! .. LOL!
    https://ibb.co/0GvkWX6

  36. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    Mak Siccar at 11:39 – you get the feeling James Allan despises the Lieborals on a whole new level we can only aspire to.

  37. shatterzzz Avatar
    shatterzzz

    I could go on but won’t, except to note that the disenfranchised and oppressed ethnics who were my neighbours had some very, very nice cars in the parking lot. If they can afford slick wheels, they can afford to pay market rent like the neighbours they drove up the wall.

    I think a lot of folk don’t realise that most of the HC inequality is from WOKE gummint policy .. nowadays you can “inherit” HC nothing to do with ability to afford private but the fact that your related/ living on the premises at the time circumstances changed plus the sitting tenant can re-assign the rental to offspring at any time thus ensuring continuing family tenancy ..
    Then there is the reality that short of murder NSW HC will NEVER attempt to evict ethnics for fear of bleeding heart & media outlets outrage! .. example: the pole & lighting is still there & working in Guildford months after being declared illegal by BOTH plod & Housing ……..

  38. Delta A Avatar
    Delta A

    at RNSH yesterday (second home)

    Sounds like your treatment is quite intense, OldOzzie. I often think of you, and wish you all the best.

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  39. calli Avatar
    calli

    Covid vax mandates are over.

    Even with two shots, people in aged care must have a booster. Regardless of whether they’re in contact with “clients” or not.

    Mandated or no job.

    Because the vaccines work so well.

  40. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle
  41. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    At one point in his reign Emperor Barney attempted to enforce some basic tenancy standards on housos for the benefit of their neighbours ( usually other housos). The bleating from the usual suspects was immediate and loud. Naturally the Aboriginal Industry screamed racism.

  42. JC Avatar
    JC

    Calli

    There is not going to be a mandate past the third vax. We’re done.

  43. calli Avatar
    calli

    sexual misconduct charges.

    From what I understand (and I could be quite wrong) he said something a staffer didn’t like and walked into someone’s room, which he back-pedalled out of quiktime.

    On this one, I’m with the shut-up sub judice crowd.

    We all witnessed the Pell bullsh*t.

  44. Top Ender Avatar
    Top Ender

    The Mocker: Labor’s weaponising of abuse claims comes home to roost
    THE MOCKER
    Follow @Oz_Mocker

    If we are to understand Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese correctly, it is never an appropriate time to ask him to respond to reports that his Senate leadership team ostracised, marginalised, and bullied Labor senator Kimberley Kitching, 52, over a prolonged period that ended with her death this month from a suspected heart attack.

    Doing so, he said on the weekend, would not be “constructive”. Trying to fob off questions last week, he said it would be “totally unbecoming” to comment on “who might have had a disagreement here or there”.

    Yesterday he again refused to commission an inquiry into the allegations, even implying Kitching’s behaviour was the real issue. “She was somebody who engaged in politics and was passionate about her belief and from time to time that could produce some conflict,” he said.

    This was the same Albanese who in March last year declared himself a champion of women’s safety while lambasting the Morrison government for its failings in that respect. “Women need to feel safe in every workplace and, indeed, every part of society,” he said at a doorstop conference. “And what we need to do is to make sure we listen to those concerns and respond.”

    Great news: Albanese has finally responded. Although he will not initiate an investigation, he has announced he will lobby ALP National Secretary Paul Erickson to have the National Executive institute a ‘Kimberley Kitching Human Rights Award’. How good is that? The only way he could be any more feckless and maladroit would be if he asked one of the alleged perpetrators to present it.

    This supposed honouring of Kitching is as unseemly an attempt at deflection as Albanese’s confected outrage. When Sharri Markson of this newspaper revealed Kitching and her supporters referred to senators Penny Wong, Kristina Keneally, and Katy Gallagher as “mean girls”, he spluttered that use of this term was “extraordinarily disrespectful” to the trio.

    Having spent the last few years weaponising abuse allegations against their political opponents, senior Labor Party figures have discovered to their dismay it is being used against them – and on the eve of an election. “Parliament should be upholding the highest standards of employment,” tweeted Deputy Opposition Leader Richard Marles in February last year. “So long as there are women who feel that it’s not safe to work here, that is a terrible indictment on all in the workplace. “We need to hear from the Leaders of all political parties.”

    But as with Albanese, Marles has developed a case of chronic reticence. Last week he reacted angrily when a journalist put to him: “It does seem to an observer that you might be using these eulogies to mask answering”. On Friday he refused to answer questions from Today show co-host Ally Langdon regarding whether Kitching had raised allegations of bullying with him, instead saying the party’s focus was on “honouring” her. Presumably Labor intends ‘honouring’ Kitching in this manner right up to the election and indefinitely after that.

    So where does Tanya Plibersek – the shadow minister for women – stand on this? “I just don’t want to keep raking over this terrible loss and treating like it’s a political issue to manage,” she told Sky News last week.

    “The sort of things we need to be focusing on now is talking to the Australian people about the things that matter to them.” She even implied the allegations were a non-issue. “Yesterday I was in Queensland,” she said, “(and) people weren’t asking whether there was bullying in the Labor Party”.

    If hypocrisy were a portfolio, Plibersek would be a worthy holder. This was her in 2018 castigating the Coalition: “To have respected women on the opposite side talking about a toxic culture of bullying, and then having the now Prime Minister dismiss that and refuse to take it seriously, refuse to investigate, shows just how unfit this mob opposite is to govern.”

    By her own words, she has tacitly admitted her party is unfit to hold office.

    Wong, Keneally, and Gallagher have denied the allegations of bullying Kitching. Nonetheless it cannot be disputed the behaviour alleged would at the very least, if proved, constitute serious misconduct. No doubt they would correctly say in response they are entitled to the presumption of innocence.

    But compare that to what each of them said last year concerning former attorney-general Christian Porter, when it was revealed a woman, now dead, had accused him of raping her in 1988 when he was 17. He has steadfastly denied that allegation.

    Wong: “The reality is unless there is some form of investigation, some form of process that gives Australians confidence in the first law officer, these questions will continue. It is a matter for the Prime Minister. He is responsible for the membership of the Cabinet, and he is responsible for all of us, for ensuring Australians that everyone in that Cabinet is a fit and proper person for the office they hold.”

    Keneally: “Are we all supposed to just pretend when Christian Porter comes back from leave that nothing has happened? We need to be clear that he is a fit and proper person to hold the position of attorney general, the first law officer of this country.” Given Keneally and Wong sit in the shadow cabinet, they must acknowledge this standard applies to them as well.

    Gallagher: “At the moment we have the most senior legal officer in the land with these allegations swirling around, he’s gone on leave for some time … but these matters can’t be parked away because Christian Porter said they didn’t happen”.

    Likewise, Gallagher cannot wish this affair away with a mere denial. By her professed principles, she must account for herself. Or would telling her that be mansplaining?

    Given the impending election, the timing could not be worse for Labor, and its dilemma is obvious. It does not want to institute an inquiry, yet its refusal to do so will not just give the impression it is fearful of its findings. Stonewalling would reveal fully the Opposition’s mendacity and opportunism in attacking the government relentlessly for its shortfalls on providing a safe work environment for women. Who could forget Albanese’s proud declaration to Parliament a year ago tomorrow?

    “I do want to pay tribute to … the shadow minister for women … the women in our caucus, who have shown incredible leadership and have come forward and worked so hard on developing a framework for the Labor Party of an updated code of conduct … a bullying policy and a complaints process,” he said. “That process also could be looked at in terms of being a model.”

    A model, that is, for equivocation, obfuscation, and hypocrisy.

    THE MOCKER
    The Mocker amuses himself by calling out poseurs, sneering social commentators, and po-faced officials. He is deeply suspicious of those who seek increased regulation of speech and behaviour.

    Oz link

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  45. jupes Avatar
    jupes

    Blam

    Gold. I love how her ‘gotcha’ assumptions are just thrown straight back in her face. Yes, he is proud that Poland won’t accept Muslims refugees. Then he explains why. Streets are safe in Poland.

    Australian politicians could learn a lot from this. They won’t of course.

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  46. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    Richard Wynne:

    “This is an appalling example of the Liberal Party’s postcode snobbery.”

    Another who believes sties make pigs, not the other way around.

  47. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    Gillard would be the perfect head for any enquiry. Or that bird who does the “search and replace” and Print periodically at the football clubs. C’mon Albo – show some leadership. No whirring handbags this time.

  48. Beertruk Avatar
    Beertruk

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha:
    March 23, 2022 at 11:55 pm
    You name it, it can happen to something even as seemingly basic and (allegedly) indestructible* as the AK-series of assault rifles.

    I’m reading an account of the bush war in Rhodesia, by a former Selous Scout- “Three Sips Of Gin.”
    He met Mikhail Kalashnikov at a dinner in South Africa, after the bush war. He told Kalashnikov he considered the AK 47 a most inferior invention. “I’ve been shot seven times with one, and, if it was any good, I wouldn’t be here to tell the tale…”

    Was at the hospital yesterday checking in for day surgery and the admin lady behind the counter was from Rhodesia. Idle conversation turned the war in Rhodesia and she said that ‘any male highschool students who failed their ‘O level exams’ were autmatically conscripted into the army.’
    She also said that ‘more than a few of them were sadly killed.’

  49. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    . Naturally the Aboriginal Industry screamed racism.

    There are some nine thousand homeless people in Western Australia, a third of which are indigenous.

  50. Timothy Neilson Avatar
    Timothy Neilson

    areffsays:
    March 24, 2022 at 11:30 am

    You could have recouped at least some of the loss by finding out which of the residents did the chop chop run and got on their customer list.

  51. calli Avatar
    calli

    There must be a reason why Kitching didn’t go to the Shadow Minister for Women about her difficulties.

    I wonder what it was?

  52. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    JC
    Covid vax mandates are over.

    Wrong

    Im having to line up for shot 3 at the end of the month because I dont have “fuck you” money to allow me to quit my job.
    Most of WA is the same.

    And not one jurisdiction has given up its emergency powers yet. They just cant let it go.

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  53. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    I wonder what it was?

    Plibbers leadership ambitions on hold you figure?

  54. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Interestingly the speed of sound on Mars is 2/3rds what it is on Earth.

    Analysis of sounds captured by Perseverance rover reveals speed of sound on the Red Planet (23 Mar)

    Chide reported that the team has used data from the microphone to measure the speed of sound on Mars. This was done by measuring the amount of time it took for sounds emanating from laser blasts from Perseverance to return to the rover’s microphone. The laser blasts were used to vaporize nearby rocks to learn more about their composition. They found sound to be traveling on Mars at approximately 240 m/s.

    Spock! Vaporize that rock. Yes, Captain.

  55. Gab Avatar
    Gab

    There is not going to be a mandate past the third vax. We’re done.

    That’s what they said after the second vax.

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  56. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Ben Roberts-Smith’s former lover denies ‘campaign of deceit’ over pregnancy, court hears
    Michaela Whitbourn
    By Michaela Whitbourn
    March 24, 2022 — 12.16pm

    The former lover of war veteran Ben Roberts-Smith has denied she engaged in a calculated campaign of deceit about being pregnant with his child but admitted she did not reveal in text messages she had had a miscarriage.

    Person 17, whose name has been suppressed by the Federal Court in Mr Roberts-Smith’s defamation case, had an affair with the decorated former soldier between October 2017 and April 2018, when they were both married.

    She has told the court the pair met in October 2017 at a charity lunch that Person 17 attended with her husband.

    Mr Roberts-Smith and Person 17 were among guests who attended an after-party in the city later that day, and the pair later used separate exits to leave the venue and meet at his hotel room.

    Person 17 told the court that she initially believed the night was a one-off but “by about the third time that we met up … it had become really intense and passionate”.

    “It was really fast-moving and I would say sort of all-consuming,” she said of their relationship.

    Person 17 has said she discovered she was pregnant in February 2018 and knew it was Mr Roberts-Smith’s child “as I hadn’t slept with anyone else apart from Ben” and “in any case, my husband had had a vasectomy”.

    She said the pair agreed she should terminate the pregnancy, but she started to have second thoughts about whether she wanted to go ahead with the abortion because “it’s not something I really believe in personally”.

    Person 17 said that Mr Roberts-Smith became angry at her indecision and told her that “if I kept the baby … he would not stick around long term”.

    She has told the court she ultimately had a miscarriage, which started on March 2, 2018. Mr Roberts-Smith’s barrister, Bruce McClintock, SC, put it to Person 17 that “it followed” that she was not pregnant on March 3, when she texted Mr Roberts-Smith.

    She replied through tears that she was “not sure if you’re aware of the process when a miscarriage happens” but it did not happen in a single day.

    “You wanted him to think you were still pregnant when you knew you were not?” Mr McClintock said of the messages.

    “I suppose so,” Person 17 replied, adding that she wanted to tell him “face to face”. She rejected Mr McClintock’s suggestion she engaged in “a calculated campaign of deceit”.

    “Were you ever actually pregnant, Person 17?” Mr McClintock asked.

    “Yes,” she replied.

    Asked whether she thought it was an “appallingly dishonest thing to do” to let a man think she was pregnant with his child when she wasn’t, Person 17 replied: “I suppose so.”

    She told the court earlier this week that she “let [Mr Roberts-Smith] believe that I was coming [to Brisbane] to have the termination still” and they agreed that he would pick her up on March 6, 2018, outside Greenslopes Hospital because it was “a nearby hospital which he said he was familiar with”.

    She said she didn’t tell him the truth before their meeting because they had been fighting and she wanted to tell him in person.

    Person 17 admitted she initially told Mr Roberts-Smith in person that she had had the termination already in a different city, but later told him she had had a miscarriage. She said Mr Roberts-Smith also showed her footage taken of her outside Greenslopes Hospital getting into a taxi, which was taken by a private investigator.

    Person 17 denied that she went to Greenslopes Hospital that day as part of a “deceitful charade” that she had a termination there. She said that she had contemplated having the procedure at Greenslopes Day Surgery, which was “a completely different place”.

    She also denied that she only said that she had had a miscarriage because she had been “caught out” by the video taken outside Greenslopes Hospital.

    Mr Roberts-Smith has told the court he hired a private investigator to follow Person 17 because he believed she was lying about the pregnancy to get him to stay in the relationship. He said last year that Person 17 had given him “three stories” about what happened to the alleged pregnancy.

    The Federal Court has heard that the pair remained in a relationship until April 2018, and Person 17 accompanied Mr Roberts-Smith to a formal event in Canberra on March 28.

    Person 17 has told the court that Mr Roberts-Smith punched her in the face that evening at their hotel room, an allegation he denies.

    Mr Roberts-Smith is suing The Age, The Sydney Morning Herald and The Canberra Times over a series of reports in 2018 that he says portray him as a war criminal and accuse him of an act of domestic violence against Person 17. He denies all wrongdoing. The media outlets are seeking to rely on a defence of truth.

    The trial continues.

  57. srr Avatar
    srr

    Why does anyone care if someone they don’t know is having booster 3, 4, 5 or even 10?

    I think it’s become a way of virtue signalling for some low iq idiots on the right.

    No.
    Why do anonymous people have to keep telling people they don’t know about the numbers of Jabs they’ve ‘had’?

    Because the Pro-Jabbers have to keep advertising* the multiple Jabs they’ve ‘had ‘that haven’t killed them (Yet? Who’s really sitting in the anonymous chairs of anonymous commenters?), and so push others they’ve suckered into trusting them, into Jabbing themselves and children.

    What happened to your health & medical records being private?

    When did strangers pushing drugs & medical treatments of strangers become a ‘virtuous’ thing?**

    *As in, they don’t get paid if they don’t advertise.
    ** When it paid well.

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  58. JC Avatar
    JC

    Dover

    Ensure to disclose opinions that agree with the thought leadership or you’re heading straight to the principal’s and likely facing suspension.

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  59. Gab Avatar
    Gab

    jupessays:
    March 24, 2022 at 12:19 pm
    Blam

    Gold. I love how her ‘gotcha’ assumptions are just thrown straight back in her face. Yes, he is proud that Poland won’t accept Muslims refugees. Then he explains why. Streets are safe in Poland.

    Australian politicians could learn a lot from this. They won’t of course.

    That was so gratifying to watch. Especially loved his answer to the last question ”No”.

    Austrayan pollies are too gutless and too stupid to learn anything.

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  60. srr Avatar
    srr

    […]as I read these groups were pro-Russian. Yes, no?

    No.
    They are Anti-Nazi.

  61. Eyrie Avatar
    Eyrie

    Whilst it is always nice to get experimental confirmation the speed of sound in the Martian atmosphere would already have been known.
    https://www.concepts-of-physics.com/waves/speed-of-sound-in-gases.php

  62. Beertruk Avatar
    Beertruk

    Timothy Neilson:
    March 24, 2022 at 10:21 am
    lotocoti:
    March 24, 2022 at 10:17 am

    Is the interviewer the same airhead who beclowned herself spectacularly trying to “verbal” Jordan Peterson?

    Yes.
    Cathy Newman.

  63. Zyconoclast Avatar
    Zyconoclast

    Does anyone know if there are a lot of dirt bike tracks in Harlem?

    Disturbing video shows gang of dirt bikers beat down motorist and his son in Harlem

  64. duncanm Avatar
    duncanm

    Old School Conservativesays:
    March 23, 2022 at 11:51 pm
    “The Science” is getting different interpretations in NSW hospitals.

    RNSH entry process – compulsory QR code, mandatory double vaxx proof required, security guard assigned to assist the numerous clerical staff who check you in, masks compulsory. Once inside each department and ward has its own visitor rules.
    Northern Beaches Hospital – optional QR code, zero staff checking entry, no need to prove vaxx status, no security guard. Masks required though.

    Yet another example of the craziness of decision making during the plandemic, but its all going into the collective forgettery now.

    what’s extra crazy, is they are both under the Northern Sydney Local Health District – so those discrepancies are purely at hospital level.

    Farcical.

  65. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    dover0beachsays:

    March 24, 2022 at 11:41 am

    Get off those shit sites and make an effort at an unbiased assessment.
    For fuck’s sake.

    Is the French MoD and Gray Connolly now Russian disinformation?

    That is some chutzpah.
    Directing the blog owner as to which sites he should not look at or link to.
    BTW, even if Dover was biased, so what?
    It’s his site FFS.
    He can post what he likes.

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  66. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    for the choo choo tribe.

    I missed dover’s new rules but figure this must break one (or more) of them.

  67. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    Dirt bikes (unlicensed) are the transport of choice for the socially oppressed as anyone living in an outer metropolitan area will attest.

  68. Diogenes Avatar
    Diogenes

    for the choo choo tribe.

    They obviously have great taste and discernment, even though in general their music is shyte. 🙂

  69. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    Houston covered up for his father didn’t he?
    I’d expect any religious leader actually involved in abuse cover up to fall on his sword.

  70. dover0beach Avatar

    Ensure to disclose opinions that agree with the thought leadership or you’re heading straight to the principal’s and likely facing suspension.

    Oh dear.

  71. srr Avatar
    srr

    Speaking of evil propaganda –

    Sancho Panzer says:
    March 24, 2022 at 9:56 am

    The Ukrainian troops were really horrid to us, took our toys away and called us awful names. The Russian troops came along with their tanks draped in flowers, spoke softly to us and gave us kittens and lollipops.

    They’re not there yet but they are getting close.

    This is from those of you who run fast & hard from the facts of over 8 years of US & EU Backed Ukrainian Nazi bombing, slaughter & terrorism against Ukrainian civilians who refuse to hate Russian speaking Ukrainians.

    It is not the Russians doing these evils to Ukrainians, which is why so many Ukrainians do not hate the Russians and why the Ukraine Govt moved in to violently re-establish their Nazi control over the eastern Ukraine’s that the Russians moved to prevent.

    Yeah, when you talk propaganda and leave out what the US & EU Backed Ukrainian Nazis had been doing & were about to do, you are the propagandist for The Evil.

  72. JC Avatar
    JC

    Gab

    I think after no 3. it’s pretty much over for the compulsion side. I think we’re done. It’s just my view. No biggie.

  73. calli Avatar
    calli

    In August, Australian police said they would “allege in court the man (Houston) knew information relating to the sexual abuse of a young male in the 1970s and failed to bring that information to the attention of police.”

    A government inquiry found that Houston became aware of allegations against his preacher father, Frank Houston, in 1999 and allowed him to retire quietly rather than report him to police. His father confessed to the abuse before he died in 2004 at age 82, The Associated Press reported.

    That’s the charge.

  74. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    JCsays:

    March 24, 2022 at 12:41 pm

    Dover

    Ensure to disclose opinions that agree with the thought leadership or you’re heading straight to the principal’s and likely facing suspension.

    Ah, look, JC.
    I don’t know how to break this to you, but Dover is the principal.

  75. Rex Anger Avatar
    Rex Anger

    This is from those of you who run fast & hard from the facts of over 8 years of US & EU Backed Ukrainian Nazi bombing,

    Wait- They were bombing Nazis?

    why the Ukraine Govt moved in to violently re-establish their Nazi control over the eastern Ukraine’s that the Russians moved to prevent.

    But haven’t the Nazis really been in charge all along?

    So if Ukraine is all Nazis, why were they bombing fellow Nazis for 8 years with the US and EU’s support?

    you are the propagandist for The Evil.

    This shilling and venom-spitting so furiously for Vlad Bae’s Holy War* is admirable in its tenacity and dedication, SRR. But do you not agree that it is starting to take its toll on you? Why not step back a little, take a breath and regain your coherency? Even your holy warriors under the banner of the almighty ‘Z’ take operational pauses.

    You don’t want to sound like some sort of AI, after all…

    * He may not be fighting one for himself, but he certainly is for the Nuffies…

  76. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    Was there a commitment ever made that after people were ‘fully’ vaxxed they’d never have to get another?
    Vichealth is hustling people to get boosters.
    Someone I know has had the two jabs and then got covid in January and is not surprisingly in no hurry to get a booster.
    But not that’s the same as mandating which I thought Andrews had abandoned.
    Every state seems to have different rules.

  77. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    That’s the charge.

    Yes, the charge is flimsy, but that wasn’t my point.
    ScoMo has been busily pushing people under various buses on sexual misconduct matters, but went strangely quiet on this one, simply because there is a chance that some collateral mud might stick to him.

  78. Rex Anger Avatar
    Rex Anger

    I think after no 3. it’s pretty much over for the compulsion side. I think we’re done. It’s just my view. No biggie.

    Come be Premier of WA.

    We need at least one pragmatist who can slap the more vaporous of the Health Department Unions around and tell them The Carnival Was Over last December, when everyone else gave up and opened up.

    The current one sniffed too many of his own farts in 2020…

  79. calli Avatar
    calli

    I understand that Sancho and I got the point.

  80. Zyconoclast Avatar
    Zyconoclast

    UPDATE 24 March 2022 10:38AM: Less than 24 hours after announcing plans to resume manufacturing in Russia, Renault has reversed the decision.

    “Renault activities in its manufacturing plant in Moscow are suspended … We are acting responsibly towards our 45,000 employees in the country,” the French manufacturer said in an official statement.

    “Renault Group reminds that it already implements the necessary measures to comply with international sanctions.”

  81. Frank Avatar
    Frank

    I was in a shop yesterday eavesdropping on the conversation between the lady behind the till and the guy in front of me. He was in his thirties and said to her that he had already had covid, it gave him a headache for a day and that was it. He then went on to say how he now had the best antibodies and vaccination possible, natural immunity. Finally he said he was still going to get vaccinated so that he could travel later on.

    For what it was worth he was wearing a suit. Ginger though.

  82. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    callisays:

    March 24, 2022 at 1:32 pm

    I understand that Sancho and I got the point.

    Ooooh.
    And there it is ladies and gentlemen.
    Sancho gets the red card and goes in the book for mansplaining.
    Which means he will miss the quarter-final against Real Madrid.

  83. Speedbox Avatar
    Speedbox

    Sancho Panzer says:
    March 24, 2022 at 1:28 pm
    ScoMo has been busily pushing people under various buses on sexual misconduct matters, but went strangely quiet on this one, simply because there is a chance that some collateral mud might stick to him.

    Not least of which were his outrageous comments in support of Brittany Higgins whilst her alleged attacker hasn’t yet had an opportunity to defend himself in court.

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  84. calli Avatar
    calli

    You have to admit it was a stylishly restrained red card. Minimum amount of guilt edging for a start.

  85. Zyconoclast Avatar
    Zyconoclast

    For what it was worth he was wearing a suit. Ginger though.

    Like this?

  86. Rex Anger Avatar
    Rex Anger

    guilt edging

    Phweeeeep!

    FOUL!

    Gratuitous vowel leading to either terrible innuendo or general confusion.

    2 free throws to the Panzer. Players, take your marks.

  87. Rex Anger Avatar
    Rex Anger

    For what it was worth he was wearing a suit. Ginger though.

    Like this?

    I dunno. Not crumby enough…

  88. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    One of our chaps on site had a little fracas with a shark yesterday while diving.

    Lacerated finger, bite around the ribs a bit, small cranky noah.

    Treatment given…. alcohol, lots and lots of alcohol.
    Oral.
    And a band aid on the finger.

    Some people just want to watch the world burn.

  89. Frank Avatar
    Frank

    Like this?

    No, dark violet suit, tan dress shoes and red hair. Pant legs short enough that you could see his ankles while he was standing up. Someone should have a word with his mum and let her know he has grown a bit since she bought the outfit for him.

    Can’t remember if he was wearing comedy socks.

  90. Rex Anger Avatar
    Rex Anger

    Lacerated finger, bite around the ribs a bit, small cranky noah.

    Did the shark cop a punch on the nose for its trouble?

    Or was it served crumbed and with fresh chips at dinnertime for its temerity?

  91. Farmer Gez Avatar
    Farmer Gez

    Nazis had been doing & were about to do, you are the propagandist for The Evil.

    Nobody expects the Ukrainian Inquisition.
    Chief weapons are surprise, fear, ruthless efficiency and an almost fanatical devotion to Putin.
    Clown show ssr. Grow up!

  92. Rex Anger Avatar
    Rex Anger

    No, dark violet suit, tan dress shoes and red hair. Pant legs short enough that you could see his ankles while he was standing up. Someone should have a word with his mum and let her know he has grown a bit since she bought the outfit for him.

    Can’t remember if he was wearing comedy socks.

    Was it wearing a man-bun?

  93. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Not least of which were his outrageous comments in support of Brittany Higgins whilst her alleged attacker hasn’t yet had an opportunity to defend himself in court.

    Oh, and even after people have been to court, he can’t fucking help sticking his oar in to scoop up a few votes.
    When the Pell conviction was quashed he started going on about “victims”.
    Not guilty.
    There are no “victims”.
    And, by using the plural, it seems he is OK with scapegoating an innocent man if it makes victims of other perpetrators “feel better”.
    I have cut ScoMo a bit of slack on some issues, but not this one.
    It has been cynical opportunism all the way, until it struck less than two degrees of separation from his front door.

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  94. Rex Anger Avatar
    Rex Anger

    Chief weapons are surprise, fear, ruthless efficiency and an almost fanatical devotion to Putin

    Shall I fetch the Comfy Chair? 😉

    #CONFESS!

  95. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Was it wearing a man-bun?

    Surely a ginger wouldn’t go man-bun?

  96. Rex Anger Avatar
    Rex Anger

    Surely a ginger wouldn’t go man-bun?

    In these wretched times, anything is possible.

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