Open Thread – Tues 29 Mar 2022
2,897 responses to “Open Thread – Tues 29 Mar 2022”
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I note the gravitation from ‘The New World Order are putting tiny self-aware robots in vaccines’ (that line of commentary, by the way, had died out – why is that?)
A variation on the “tiny metallic fragments contained in a 5 ml vaccine which self-replicate in the body to a level where they can be picked up by airport x-ray machines so that the authorities could wave through the vaxxed and detain the unvaxxed”.
Firstly, they could simply achieve the same end by cross-referencing the vax database to the mandatory ID which must be produced at check-in.
Secondly, if I invented a method for replicating metals I wouldn’t be fucking around with vaccines. I’d be playing poker with Elon Musk on Friday nights for $1 meg a hand.
Sadly, when I asked someone here (who projects as a serious sciency type) about it, I got lots of duck and weave obfuscation.
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bonssays:
March 30, 2022 at 12:56 pm
I had to nip down to Sydney yesterday to do something at Ultimo.
No, dropping 100 tons of coal on the front steps of their ABC was tempting, but I didn’t have a truck.
What was hilarious was all the Chinese kids flogging chop chop, and the Chinese girls flogging what I imagine was stolen or fake brand name cosmetics.
Concern over authorities was non existant apparently.Last time I was in area the plods were handing out tickets for people crossing against the lights of that little one way street that runs from the corner of Broadway and George St to Paddy’s Market. There were about 6 plod.
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The bodies of 16 men and three women were found with bullet wounds in Las Tinajas, Zinapécuaro municipality, and an injured person died on the way to hospital.
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I had to listen to this twice – Concetta Fierravanti-Wells unloading on Morrison and Hawke.
How can he possibly not step down? ALP will simply drown him in this at the election, mean girls a faded ancient memory.
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May change a lot!!!! Well done. And in Victoria, of all places!!!
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Strange… given the convoy “never happened…”
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Landmark Decision Vindicates Victims: Supreme Court Orders Total Wind Farm Shutdown
March 26, 2022 by stopthesethings 13 CommentsIn a world-first, neighbours tormented by wind turbine noise have won a landmark victory, forcing the operator to shut down all of its turbines at night-time.
Yesterday, Justice Melinda Richards of the Victorian Supreme Court slapped an injunction on a wind farm because the noise it generates has been driving neighbours nuts for seven years, and the operator has done absolutely nothing about their suffering.
Her Honour also ordered damages, including aggravated damages for the high-handed way in which the operator has treated its victims. Since March 2015, the community surrounding the Bald Hills wind farm have been tortured by low-frequency noise and infrasound generated by 52, 2 MW Senvion MM92s.
Neighbours started complaining to the operator about noise, straightaway. But, as is their wont, the operator simply rejected the mounting complaints and carried on regardless.
Locals, however, were not perturbed. Instead, they lawyered up. Engaging the tough and tenacious Dominica Tannock.
Starting in April 2016, Dominica went after the South Gippsland Shire Council which, under the Victorian Public Health and Wellbeing Act 2008 has responsibility for investigating nuisance complaints and a statutory obligation to remedy all such complaints within its municipal district.
The locals won that round, when Justice Richards found the wind turbine noise generated constituted an ‘unreasonable nuisance’ as defined by the Public Health and Wellbeing Act.
Following that victory, Dominica launched civil proceedings in the Supreme Court, based on an action in common law nuisance. There were 13 plaintiffs in all – when the action started there were 6 plaintiffs, who were later joined by another 7.
Over time, Dominica was able to settle the claims of 11 of her clients on very favourable (confidential) terms – STT hears that those who settled pocketed figures of more than $2m for each affected household.
However, two of the plaintiffs, Noel Uren and John Zakula rejected the operator’s monetary overtures, because they were furious with the way that the neighbours have been treated and, accordingly, determined to take the matter all the way.
After a bruising piece of litigation (where the operator withheld critical evidence from the plaintiffs and its acoustic consultant was caught out ‘filtering’ – ie destroying – rafts of noise data) and a hard-fought trial, these thoroughly courageous gentlemen have established what has been known, all along: everyone has a legally enforceable right to sleep soundly at night in their very own homes; and the wind industry has been destroying that right with impunity, for far too long.
What Noel Uren and John Zakula have achieved is not just notable and noble, it reflects the adage about evil prevailing when good men do nothing.
Refusing to be cowered by the operator’s threats, bullying and intimidation, these men did something and, accordingly, every wind industry victim owes them a debt of eternal gratitude for what they have achieved and placed on the public record. At last. At long last. Vindication. Sweet vindication.
What their efforts have also brought to the surface, is the monstrous corruption that is part and parcel of the wind industry, which has compromised the integrity of every political and government institution in this Country, and anywhere in the world it operates.
At one point during the trial, the National Wind Farm Commissioner (a Federally appointed wind industry stooge) approached the judge’s Chambers directly, without the knowledge of the plaintiffs’ lawyers, and offered his “assistance” to Justice Richards, including an offer to provide her with knowledge and information about how ‘wonderful’ wind turbines really are. Justice Richards was not amused.
The judgment is the first of its kind, where plaintiffs have established that the noise generated from wind turbines constitutes an unreasonable interference with the use and enjoyment of their homes and, therefore, an actionable nuisance, at common law.
The decision is, therefore, of immeasurable significance to any of the wind industry’s victims, anywhere in the common law world; Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the UK, for starters. And, no doubt, it will be seized on by our American cousins in the US.
The full judgment appears here: Uren v Bald Hills WF [2022] VSC 145
At 148 pages it is a thumping analysis of the evidence and issues, and well worth careful consideration. However, set out below are the key extracts of Justice Richard’s reasons, interposed with our commentary on the factual background and legal principles in issue, appearing in square brackets. Note that the extracts below do not contain the citations to the legal authorities or evidence. For that, you need to see the PDF of the judgment linked above. Please enjoy and share widely the judgment in Uren & Zakula v Bald Hills Wind Farm Pty Ltd [2022] VSC 145
IN THE SUPREME COURT OF VICTORIA
AT MELBOURNE
COMMON LAW DIVISION
MAJOR TORTS LIST
S ECI 2020 00471
NOEL UREN and JOHN ZAKULA
Plaintiffs
v
BALD HILLS WIND FARM PTY LTD
Defendant
JUDGE: Richards J
WHERE HELD: Melbourne
DATE OF HEARING: 6–10, 13–17, 20–23 September, 12 October 2021
DATE OF JUDGMENT: 25 March 2022
CASE MAY BE CITED AS: Uren v Bald Hills Wind Farm Pty Ltd
MEDIUM NEUTRAL CITATION: [2022] VSC 145
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Dr Faustus, your piece on mining and the explosives made me nostalgic for the days of yore.
My FiL used to tow a concrete barge up and down Sydney Harbour – unload explosives from in-bound ships , take them to the explosive storage facility at Bantry Bay, and then haul them back again to White Bay for rail transport to the Snowy scheme.
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Helensays:
March 30, 2022 at 1:18 pm
I had to listen to this twice – Concetta Fierravanti-Wells unloading on Morrison and Hawke.How can he possibly not step down? ALP will simply drown him in this at the election, mean girls a faded ancient memory.
Thanks Helen. It didn’t occur to me that her attack on ScoMo nullifies the mean girls stuff. That’s gonna cause some cursing in the election strategy room.
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But, on the way home, the thought came to mind that placing just one piece of coal on the front steps of their ABC could have hilarious consequences.
National news definitely, lock down probably, demand for AFP investigation certainly, counselling of distraught staff undoubtedly, stress leave and compensation payments for all journalist and creative staff of course, decontemination protocols implemented for external and internal collective spaces, seal-off for at least four weeks, possible building replacement due to contamination cluster, Morrisson’s fault of course.
Now imagine if we could assemble a relay of patriotic folks to randomly place lumps of coal on various ABC locations erratically.
Streets will be closed off, special new ID requirements will be imposed, new risk allowances will be paid to ABC staff, a boon for the security industry, free meals for staff to avoid the risks inherent to using the front steps to go for lunch/dinner.
Extinction Rebellion will go insane gluing themselves all over the place in attempt to attract the spotlight back to their particular insanity.
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Vickisays:
March 30, 2022 at 1:18 pm
https://stopthesethings.com/2022/03/26/landmark-decision-vindicates-victims-supreme-court-orders-total-wind-farm-shutdown/May change a lot!!!! Well done. And in Victoria, of all places!!!
Does it need to be removed?
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Sancho Panzersays:
March 30, 2022 at 10:28 am
Quick Cat Poll.
Is Gonzalo Lira:-
.1 a Fearless Freedom Fighter? Or
.2 a Flaky Fruitcake Fraudster?
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Downtick to vote .1.
Uptick to vote .2.6
Conclusive results.
Freedom Fighter … no votes.
Fraudster … 6 votes.
The tribe has spoken.
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The league also appointed a committee of outside advisers to assist its minority hiring efforts and approved a resolution endorsing diversity in franchise ownership.
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But, on the way home, the thought came to mind that placing just one piece of coal on the front steps of their ABC could have hilarious consequences.
You be arrested for terrorism: threatening with a weapon of mass destruction.
Denmark Puts Coronavirus ‘Anti-Government Extremism’ on Terrorism List (29 Mar)
Combustible death rocks probably count.
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Catching up
Kneel says:
March 30, 2022 at 8:34 amKneel,
That’s a straw man so large it would have it’s own gravity field. You should be ashamed.
It’s almost too over the top in it’s stupid.I don’t know him but Struth is not the “I’m all right Jack” sort of bloke.
The Canberra convoy is evidence of that. -
Helensays:
March 30, 2022 at 1:18 pmAlso from kangaroo court of Australia
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sfw:
It can be increased fairly easily to a few homes but if a lot want increased current then the street mains, transformers and the transmission network will need upgrading, this is very very expensive and the cost would be spread evenly over the consumers, even those who neither want nor need increased current for ev chargers.
I wouldn’t want to be buying an EV if the whole street was getting slugged for the chargers.
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That’s a straw man so large it would have it’s own gravity field. You should be ashamed.
Not in a general sense.
You will note my comments didn’t mention anyone in particular.
Just that generally construction and transport have felt insulated from global economic trends, because of geography.
Transport is finding out otherwise (via immigration), as is mining and oil & gas construction (via offshore modularisation in favour of stick build).
It’s coming to CBD tower construction, at least in a limited way. -
The Bee goes there.
Really there…https://babylonbee.com/news/chris-rock-smooths-things-over-with-will-smith-by-sleeping-with-his-wife
Pretty depressing to think that a star like Smith is too terrified of being divorce raped to say to his wife “Honey, please stop rooting stray blokes”…
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Mother Lode:
An Indigenous campaign is calling for a ban on all-white juries in cases where a police officer or other person in authority is being tried over the death of an Indigenous person.
I hope the Aboriginal Industry has worked out just where this demand is heading.
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zyconoclast- re the decision in the wind turbine case:
The action was in relation to the effect on health of neighbours, given that the turbines operated at night as well as by day.
My understanding is that, as well as awarding compensation for past damages, the court has ordered that the turbines be switched off at night. This severely affects the profitability of the turbines, and should have a knock-on effect on future installations.
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Fantastic news, Vicki!
Vickisays:
March 30, 2022 at 1:18 pm
https://stopthesethings.com/2022/03/26/landmark-decision-vindicates-victims-supreme-court-orders-total-wind-farm-shutdown/May change a lot!!!! Well done. And in Victoria, of all places!!!
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Despite an inbuilt horror at recommending anything produced by their ABC, a short excursion to You Tube to watch ‘The Queen of the Outback’ is worth the effort.
A young, very attractive, muster crew boss with all the skills and a frightening work ethic.
The days of young things from private schools gapping by playing jackarooing at some squillion dollar sheep property on the Hay Plain appear to be over. These kids work incredibly hard. -
Concetta Fierravanti-Wells, if Scomo wasn’t fucked before today he sure is now. I listened to and then read the transcript of her speech in the Senate. My mouth hung open and I had difficulty believing what was said.
Just as an aside, I was surprised that Jim Molan is running again, after he promised to just finish Sinodinas’ term. That promise was made to allow him the placement. -
KD has his typical confused, chuck it all together and twist it, melt down.
It’s funny what gets denounced as bullshit around here.
The link I put up talked of what you might do to be able to help fight against the well known jab side effects (including death).That one article comes to the conclusions that many a senior specialist in these fields, incuding McCullough and Malone and many others, and it is precisely what they were saying right from the start of the introduction.
For two years.
Wilfully ignored by morons.
I and others posted it all here from the AFLDs to many others.
ALL SAYING THE SAME THING.
And now, while children and young people die of strokes and heart attacks, you miserable fucking deluded idiots, prefer to poo poo it.
Shame on you.And Callis question is insane.
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Not in a general sense.
You will note my comments didn’t mention anyone in particular.
Just that generally construction and transport have felt insulated from global economic trends, because of geography.
Transport is finding out otherwise (via immigration), as is mining and oil & gas construction (via offshore modularisation in favour of stick build).
It’s coming to CBD tower construction, at least in a limited way.He wasn’t talking to you, Slip lane Smollett
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“I don’t know him but Struth is not the “I’m all right Jack” sort of bloke.”
And I’m not one of those who wanted to get vaxxed ASAP, but was coerced into it under threat of government order forcing me to lose my job, which struth well knows. But he doesn’t care about that – I’m just “dumb” ’cause I caved in when >70% in my state had already done so, and I would have lost my job if I didn’t.
I told him to ease up and that we are on the same side, but no – he insists I’m to blame for letting them get away with it, despite the fact (which he knows) that I went to my state and federal MP’s, the Human rights Commission and the state Governor general and got fobbed off by all.I’m over the top? Perhaps I was, but I don’t regret the shit I threw at him in the least. I tried to reconcile, but he’s have none of it and just lied about what I did and didn’t do to make himself feel like a genius. So fuck him, not interested in even trying with that moron any more. As I said, either willfuly ignorant, stupid, or arrogant and no help AT ALL – and frankly I don’t know or care to know which.
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So Zelensky made women and children leave but conscripted 16 – 70 year old men.
I think I’d defect. Putin could offer a war bride and 20 acres of land.
Anyway, it isn’t a war – a war has not even been declared since WWII.
Police action
Denazification
Military assistance
Selected military strikes
Gulf of Tonkin Resolution
Limited military operations
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Last time I was in area the plods were handing out tickets for people crossing against the lights of that little one way street that runs from the corner of Broadway and George St to Paddy’s Market. There were about 6 plod.
Lean times for the Thugs in Blue.
No doubt they look back wistfully to those days of plenty, when they could knock over old ladies, or swarming on a lone protester who was a fraction of a second to slow obeying their commands and curled into a ball against the onslaught of batons and boots – but if you resist arrest…
Or kicking in the doors of houses to haul out pregnant women in cuffs in front of her terrified family who commented on a facebook page.
Tickets are such a poor source of nourishment.
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MUSIC FOR THE SIGMA GRINDSET
THIS IS YOUR LIFE ((Dust Brothers, Fight Club). “You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake”).
Now I have motivated you, there is no excuse not to run five miles after awaking at 3:30 AM and then eat a pound of salt. It’s low carb.
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The Bee goes there.
Really there…https://babylonbee.com/news/chris-rock-smooths-things-over-with-will-smith-by-sleeping-with-his-wife
OUCH!
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Just as an aside, I was surprised that Jim Molan is running again, after he promised to just finish Sinodinas’ term. That promise was made to allow him the placement.
Molan has proven himself to be as good a “Yes sir” lackey for BRADBURY than “Eddie’s boy, Arfur” so is deserving of another slurp at the trough …
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I’m just “dumb” ’cause I caved in when >70% in my state had already done so, and I would have lost my job if I didn’t.
My words.
Look to kneel to see what a sane response looks like.Kneel’s emotional response.
Struth called me dumb.I hate to have to be the one helping you all to let go……..C’mon snifflers, blame me if it makes you feel better, it’s all Uncle struth’s fault I took a jab.
He’s just a ….just a….just a…….TRUCKIE.
There I said it.Let it go mate, I’m here for you, ….
If you don’t want to direct your anger toward the right people at least you’re having a teary.
Better out than in.
That goes for all of you.No one’s too old to have a teary, and it’s good for you.
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If you are who I now believe you might be Kneel, I say this to you. I warned you not to do it, that no matter the pressure, it would be worse for you to take it.
And worse still, to let your family take it.
You are now finding out that I was right and you don’t fucking like it.
Was your job worth what now plays on your mind regarding your family?
Regarding what now the jab looks like it’s going to do?
I remember offering you to come up here and we’d put your family up as best we could.Would it have been better to stand your ground even if your missus was threatening you as well?
Did you contemplate your life and what people will say about you once you were gone?You fuckers talk as if it’s all been a great ride for me.
I’ve lost my fucking career as well, and it wasn’t driving trucks.But I know I took the right stance, and my family, all bar my son are not jabbed.
I have done all that I could.
Never blame me for your decisions.
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If you don’t want to direct your anger toward the right people
Break out your pebbles, bitches!
Choo Choo’s here! Bwaha! 😀
Struth, stop wasting my welfare dollars clogging this site with your Numbers-level nuffy monomania and go play with your toy tear-tanker.
There’s a good boy…
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Knuckle Draggersays:
March 30, 2022 at 2:15 pm
What’s a wordle?When a crossword and a Sudoku love each other very much…..
Lysander:
In our region the BOM has completely given up on Friday.
No numbers, no prediction, just — on the page.Thats after having us on standby for a rain bomb/weather event somewhere between Carnarvon and Jurien bay: Roughly a 650km stretch of coast.
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Never blame me for your decisions.
Amazing.
Less than a fortnight ago, you ranted and railed and raged about me making exactly the same statement to you…
Remember this from March 18th on the Furniture Store? Entitled Truth Rejected At Catallaxy:
You see, they won’t be “held responsible for my life choices”
The mental sickness is deep.
And it cannot be mentioned without being smote.
What a Glass-Jawed little child you are, manlet…
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Tweet of the day entrant .. LOL!
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If the rest of you are too stupid to see the level of thickness on display with choo choo, his wilful ignorance and indeed what the likes of him, Sliplane Smollett, Notaclue, and a few others have done to this blog, that’s fine.
But have they had any effect on which direction the blog may have taken for two years and the adult conversations regarding the dangers of the jabs, the morality of their actions and lack of concern for other people in allowing it to go nowhere near a serious discussion?
Attempting to normalise being jabbed, normalising apartheid, normalising the criminality of government and it’s abhorrent rejection of the constitution.We couldn’t save many from the jab as they bing bonged their way over the blog and sneered at the truth, and crapped all over it, the truth that people like Kneel are now having to deal with.
Sometimes your real friends aren’t just agreeing with you to your face but are willing to have an argument.
These dumb, immoral people, you will one day see through. -
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*Dusts off hands*. Back from a much needed haircut. And chocolate shopping for the season.
Quick sort-of scan back and saw this:
Vicki says:
March 30, 2022 at 12:19 pmThanks for that, Vicki. That is my experience too. I have been out and about and in and out of the shops and even cuddled my son who was immersed (unknowingly) in a Covid household. Church, enclosed, people coming down with it. Shopping in the wilds of north west Sydney, and up here during school hols. Nothing. Not even a sniffle.
Am I more likely to get Covid? Those figures, on the surface, say I am. That’s what piqued my interest. All my children are vaxxed and boosted, all caught it. A couple of points:
The vax is formulated for the first iteration. They caught Omicron. It seems then, that the vax provides little if no protection from Omicron.
The boosters likewise. They are completely useless in stopping transmission or infection.
It was the ratios that had me intrigued. Was there an environmental factor that was coming into play outside of the already established OAS one?
Of course, Ontario in winter presents an entirely different picture to here in Oz. Is there something in that?
I would like to see a replication of those ratios here. That would confirm that it’s the vaxx and the vaxx only that’s causing this.
Now to scroll back. Might have already been answered.
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If the rest of you are too stupid to see the level of thickness on display with choo choo, his wilful ignorance and indeed what the likes of him, Sliplane Smollett, Notaclue, and a few others have done to this blog, that’s fine.
A Translation:
Waaaah waaaaah waaaah.Rex, Rosie, Panzer and others who question, or worse, dare to poke fun at my nuffiness,
arrogance and pronouncements betraying my utter ignorance of life beyond my immediate experiences make me mad.We couldn’t save many from the jab
Errr… Who’s ‘We,’ Struth?
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The vax is formulated for the first iteration. They caught Omicron. It seems then, that the vax provides little if no protection from Omicron.
FMD.
The trusted PCR test that has proven to be so accurate and can tell the diffence between all viruses no matter what cycle?
After all, it’s made in China.
Which they abandoned as even the eternally thick worked out it was bullshit, and moved onto another test proven to be so accurate……….
God Calli.
You were better than this.
If you swallow even the smallest amount of this propaganda you have no factual basis to form reasonable conclusions, until finally this.While the CDC and everyone are now admitting they overstated the case numbers etc, you are still down this rabbit hole.
The tests are absolute bullshit.
Now work out who’s had a cold more often this season.
The jabbed or the unjabbed?
As with the reports now for over a year, the jabbed’s immune systems are being destroyed.
You’re going to catch anything going and your immune system will not stop you from getting sick as it used to.
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We have a young girl working for us at the family business. She’s just great and while working for us she also is training kids as a gym instructor. In August she’s gone making her way to Stamford undergrad on a scholarship as that’s how whip smart she is.
She was telling her fellow workers today how she’s teaching gymnastics to a 4 year old boy and the parents are raising this kid “no-binary”. The child abuser (mother) has also asked for neutral pronouns to be used.
The mother and the father should have the kid removed and adopted out permanently as they’re destroying this poor little kids life.
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Whoops. I’m asking questions again. Can’t help it.
And just saw your comment about my arm, joh. Yes, it’s a real pain and it’s chronic. I can deal with it, but it needs to be checked out. I’m more worried about implications for my grandson and his rugby this season. Maybe being so heavily invested in both sides of the Great Vaxx Divide is the real personal issue.
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Dover0Beach:
Everything the religious right was laughed at for warned you about in the 80s has now come to pass
Quote TweetTangential, I know – But:
“What would things been like [in Russia] if during periods of mass arrests people had not simply sat there, paling with terror at every bang on the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but understood they had nothing to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people?” ~ Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Why do the Chirussian people see us as weak?
Well, first we must look at our response to Drag Queen Story Hour. What happens here?
Well, there are grumbles and protests.
In Chirussia, they would do precisely what Solzhenitsyn asks. The perverts would be thrown out of the schools. If they returned, they would be beaten. If the authorities sided with the DQ, the authorities would be dragged from their offices and beaten.
It doesn’t happen here – ergo the people are weak and refuse to protect their own children from predators. It would only take a few instances of the DQ being punished for the rest to get the message.
So why doesn’t it happen?
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Judge will not compel ex-SAS soldier to give evidence about alleged ‘murder’
Michaela Whitbourn
By Michaela Whitbourn
March 30, 2022 — 2.28pmA Federal Court judge has declined to order a former elite soldier to give evidence about whether war veteran Ben Roberts-Smith directed him to shoot an Afghan prisoner, after the man objected to answering questions because his testimony might incriminate him in an alleged murder.
Person 66, a former Special Air Service soldier whose identity cannot be revealed for national security reasons, started giving evidence on Monday in Mr Roberts-Smith’s defamation case but objected to answering a question about how many missions he went on in Afghanistan in 2012 when the decorated former soldier was his patrol commander.
Barrister Jack Tracey, acting for Person 66, told the court on Monday there were reasonable grounds for his client objecting to giving evidence because the testimony the witness was anticipated to give “would have the tendency to incriminate” him in the commission of an alleged offence. Asked about the nature of the offence, Mr Tracey said it “would be an offence of murder”.
Mr Roberts-Smith is suing The Age, The Sydney Morning Herald and The Canberra Times for defamation over a series of reports in 2018 that he says portray him as a war criminal who murdered detainees in Afghanistan.
The newspapers are seeking to rely on a defence of truth and subpoenaed Person 66 to give evidence as part of their case. They said the evidence of Person 66 may have been a path to winning the case, but not the only one.
Justice Besanko told Person 66 on Monday that the court had the ability to grant him a certificate under section 128 of the Evidence Act, “which means that, if you give the evidence, the evidence cannot be used against you in any proceeding in an Australian court”.
But Person 66 objected to giving the evidence even with that certificate, and Mr Tracey said on Tuesday the disadvantage to his client if he were forced to give the evidence “would be very substantial … notwithstanding the existence of a certificate”.
Nicholas Owens, SC, acting for the newspapers, sought to have Justice Besanko compel Person 66 to give the evidence.
In a decision on Wednesday, Justice Besanko said: “I have decided that the court will not require Person 66 to give the evidence.”
He said he was not satisfied the interests of justice required that the witness give the evidence. He will deliver a written judgment at a later date.
After the ruling, Mr Owens put two further questions to Person 66, namely whether he shot a “PUC”, meaning a person under the control of Australian soldiers, while “on a mission in October 2012 when you were a member of Mr Roberts-Smith’s patrol”, and whether Mr Roberts-Smith asked him during that mission to shoot a PUC.
Person 66 also objected to answering those questions and was not compelled to answer them.
The newspapers have alleged Mr Roberts-Smith directed Person 66 to kill a prisoner in 2012 in an area of Afghanistan called Siah Chow, as an exercise in “blooding” or initiating a soldier by getting them a “kill”. Under the rules of engagement, persons under the control of Australian troops cannot be killed. A killing in those circumstances is murder.
Mr Owens said on Tuesday the newspapers could win the defamation case if Person 66 gave evidence about the alleged murder, and Justice Anthony Besanko accepted that evidence.
“I can concede frankly that it is possible for me to win this case without succeeding in proving the murder at Siah Chow, and it won’t shock your Honour to learn that I hope to do so,” Mr Owens said.
“But it is equally possible that I could win this case by only proving the murder at Siah Chow. It is an independent path home to victory.”
The newspapers have alleged Mr Roberts-Smith committed or was involved in five other murders of Afghan prisoners.
Mr Roberts-Smith denies all wrongdoing and has said any killings in Afghanistan were carried out lawfully in the heat of battle.
The trial continues.
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Dozens of brave women shock office workers by stripping all their clothes off and running through the heart of a city
Clocked off city workers have been surprised by a mass nudie run through Perth
A group of women took all their clothes off in the heart of the CBD
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thefrollickingmolesays:
March 30, 2022 at 3:26 pm
Soon will be walking through Sydney airport
Set up a tend embassy for the traditional owners…
Smoking ceremony.
Burn some tasseled loafers and a half packet of Stuyvos!
Fucking salt in the wounds.
Gonski’s chosen share registry sent me a cheque to the city penthouse despite my EFT being on file.
Then they tell me it takes up to 30 days to cancel the cheque and do an EFT.
So it’s the long round trip drive to pick up the fucking cheque.
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If the rest of you are too stupid to see the level of thickness on display
crapped all over it
These dumb, immoral peopleSo emotional.
A fucking blind man can see what is going on.
Please enlighten me with an update on the death camps (as you call them). In all seriousness.
The death camps. What’s going on with them? There are two people in the Darwin one.
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JC is right.
Why sell Sydney Airport off after two years of pain when the upswing was already starting?
It’s not like they were in distress and the banks sold them up.
I bought in at $5.75 in June last year and the SoA paid out $8.75.
Nice round $3.00 profit.
I should be happy, right?
Except I reckon they had another $2.00 upside.
I note UniSuper got to stay in the new venture.
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Struth:
Would another reason why there is a higher representation be that the vaxxed are more out there moving around in public transport, jobs etc. since the unvaxxed have been excluded from normal life? So they aren’t as exposed to viral loads? What about age cohort? Are older people more likely to be vaxxed plus have not so effective immune systems?
It’s called due diligence, Struth.
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“Never blame me for your decisions.”
Never did.
Yet if you believe it is evil, and if you believe I caved in when I shouldn’t have and under pressure, then why this incessant “Look, told ya” shit and the “You’re upset at knowing what you did and what will happen”. Plus a total refusal to band together and make sure it doesn’t happen again.
Because you are full of shit, that’s why.
You don’t care, because in your view, you’ll be OK and it’s such fun to poke shit at people you think are in a bad way.Fuck off.
Do you understand the gravity of that, coming from me? Really? I very, very rarely get that annoyed with someone, IRL or on the ‘net, anywhere, at any time. But congratulations, you are enough of a dickhead you got me to bite. So deal with it, corned beef curtains – you are fuckwit of the highest order, scum on my shoes, not worth the bother except to denigrate and make fun of.
If you had acted like this in front of me in person, I’d fucking deck you, because you’d deserve it.
Crawl back under whatever rock you came out from, or whatever pond scum you slithered up from.
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Nice piece on why Putin is a kunt and why right wingers ought to be throwing him out with the garbage.
https://amgreatness.com/2022/03/28/putin-is-not-a-defender-of-western-civilization/
Read the header. He’s not your pal and never has been.
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As with the reports now for over a year, the jabbed’s immune systems are being destroyed.
You’re going to catch anything going and your immune system will not stop you from getting sick as it used to.Can you link a single non-Nuffy source to back your assertion here, Struth?
Or are we going to have to file this one next to the RaIlWaY SuBsIdIeS, the WEF’s DeAtH CaMpS, the NaNoPaRtIcLes, ChEmTrAiLs and the ShIt-HoLeS In TrUcK CaBs?
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Sancho Panzer:
Example: A little while ago I was asked to bring originals of my credentials to be sighted by a head-hunter.
What gives? At best I have provided copies or member numbers in the past.
A bit of umm-ing and ah-ing before they explained that they just put a candidate forward based on forged qualifications.Shall I tell you of the lady who passed all the process for getting into Nursing Corps in the army?
All the paperwork checked out.
First day on duty the boss was surprised by the questions about basic nursing stuff and so kept a close eye on her. After a week or so, Boss contacted recruiting and asked them to check out the bona fides.
Recruiting came back a bit later with “Yes she checks out.”
Boss: “She isn’t a nurse. She knows shit about nursing. Check her out properly!”
Couple of weeks later, Investigation started about how the supposed RN got her qualifications and who her referrers were.
One of them was head honcho of a womens prison. “We were wondering where she’d gotten to…” -
“Not forgetting. (sorry if this has reminisced) her rumour-mongering in relation to Tony Abbott and Peta Credlin.”
I do wonder though if Credlin’s tight rein of Abbott when he was PM contributed to the rumour-mongering. That doesn’t excuse Fierravanti Wells spreading shmutz but in hindsight I don’t think the authoritarian Credlin helped the situation.
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