Open Thread – Weekend 30 April 2022


A Path Through the Woods, Ivan Shishkin, 1880

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Indolent
Indolent
May 2, 2022 8:16 am
Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
May 2, 2022 8:17 am

Good luck Zulu and Mrs Zulu.
Seconded
And to Toad.

Yes.
When people describe the experience as a ‘journey’ at first you might think cliché. But you get to meet good and interesting people along the way who can help enormously.

Indolent
Indolent
May 2, 2022 8:18 am
Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
May 2, 2022 8:20 am

132andBush says:
May 2, 2022 at 8:11 am
How’s sowing going, Gez?

Slowly.
A few technical issues and lack of manpower is holding up the show.
Rain delays as well. That’s not a problem though.
Mushroom circles in paddocks two metres across. Unreal!
How about yourself?

amortiser
amortiser
May 2, 2022 8:24 am

JC says:
May 1, 2022 at 10:07 pm
You don’t consider forcing an untested drug on entire populations a crime against humanity?
Would you apply that rule to new unapproved drugs being tested on cancer patients?

There is a huge difference here. Cancer patients who have a very poor prognosis are a far different cohort than the general population which is generally otherwise healthy.

People with that outlook have nothing to lose is trying an untested option.

With Covid vaccines it is becoming more and more obvious that they were imposed upon the population when it was not properly tested. We no know this because the proponents were stating that they were both safe and effective in preventing the spread of the virus. This is demonstrably untrue.

Worse though the proponents actively suppressed the use of any alternative treatments. In fact people were told to isolate untreated unless their condition deteriorated to the point where they needed hospitalisation.

Treatments like hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin were legally suppressed and vitamin D was ridiculed. All treatments that are safe and cheap.

The ban on hydroxychloroquine in Qld has been quietly revoked and a randomised double blind control trial of Vitamin D with frontline health workers has shown a 78% reduction in infection and a 67% reduction in hospitalisation in those using Vitamin D supplements.

Craig Kelly was drummed out of the Liberal Party for advocating treatments like Vitamin D and he has been proven to be correct.

This is the biggest cock up in health policy in history.

Zipster
Zipster
May 2, 2022 8:26 am
Struth
May 2, 2022 8:26 am

The claim:

I said there are camps…..and the way things are going and looking at history I wouldn’t be surprised they end up being just that.

The tape:

struth says:
August 27, 2021 at 5:33 am

If we do not disobey and fight we will die.
They will kill us and the ones that survive will wish they were dead.

They are building the concentration camps for the non compliant.

This is KD quoting me.
So you have only two choices.
He’s as thick as two short planks and was never taught what past, present and future tenses are, or he’s a truth twisting liar, desperate to put his words in my mouth because he can’t argue against the facts.
But consider in his case, and unfortunately he’s not alone, the two conditions aren’t mutually exclusive.

All of you know , underneath, I never said death camps were operating now…….I said they most likely will be in the future…….And everyone knows I didn’t mention gas chambers once etc…..you all know that but gutless you are in taking on the blovating little gang of sneerers………..I mean, ..why would they use gas when these injections will end up killing more than the holocaust?

Oh sorry, back to Tank turrets and muzzle velocities.

sfw
sfw
May 2, 2022 8:27 am

Met a some people in Wangaratta yesterday, more than a few either went to school with Dan Andrews or knew of him through other connections. Not one had a good word about him as a young man. Descriptions used words such as, Bully, Mean, Anti Social and more. None could understand how he became premier.

Zipster
Zipster
May 2, 2022 8:28 am

This is the biggest cock up in health policy in history.

regulatory capture by big pharma

calli
calli
May 2, 2022 8:31 am

Beautiful morning in the NT. It was cold last night, but our glamping tent came with a heater. Which was a mercy because the travelling companion pinched the doona.

The birds (unidentified “tweeters”) are out in force in the surrounding spinifex. There is a euc endemic here that resembles the Argyle Apple – silvery grey round leaves and a ridged black trunk. It stands out most photogenically against the red soil and pale green grass.

When you are ready to travel, come out here if you haven’t already done so. But not in summer – the sun on the red, iron filled rock would feel like a hammer on an anvil with you in between. This appears to be to ideal time weatherwise, apart from sporadic showers.

Today we do the canyon walk.

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 2, 2022 8:32 am

Any Cats read “The Managerial Revolution” by James Burnham?

Indolent
Indolent
May 2, 2022 8:32 am

The new rules of medicine

In summary – do what you’re told.

calli
calli
May 2, 2022 8:33 am

Good to see you DocDuk. I hope that stupid, malicious charge has been laid to rest.

And good luck Mrs Alpa and Toad with your treatments.

Indolent
Indolent
May 2, 2022 8:35 am

Does anyone know anything about this?

Why Is Libertarian Ingram Spencer In Jail?

Ingram Spencer is a United Australia Party candidate in the marginal seat of Higgins in the upcoming federal election. He is a passionate libertarian.

4 days ago his Liberal opponent, the sitting member, Dr Katie Allen of the Morrison government, said he was too aggressive and that he had been “scaring everyone” at a meeting and then the Australian Federal Police became involved. Note this well: when a member of the federal government running for reelection complained about her opponent’s words, the federal police became involved.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 2, 2022 8:36 am

Ed Casesays:
May 2, 2022 at 7:33 am
Without looking I’ve guessed the …er… demographic… of the woman.
Are you hinting that she’s … a Jogger?

Don’t be more ridiculuous, Dickless.

Of course she’s not a jogger. She’s a spook.

sfw
sfw
May 2, 2022 8:39 am

ftb, never read it but have read Orwells review of it and that was enough for me. Convince why I should read it, if you think it would be worthwhile.

https://www.orwellfoundation.com/the-orwell-foundation/orwell/essays-and-other-works/second-thoughts-on-james-burnham/

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 2, 2022 8:41 am

Zulu

Best wishes to Mrs Z and to you as you support her.

132andBush
132andBush
May 2, 2022 8:43 am

Gez,
A bit the same.
Stretched for labour has meant a limited pre season maintenance program and things are getting fixed during rain stops, have managed to avoid any hold ups.
Like you the rain has held us up, which is a good problem but has pushed the last 300ha of canola to the back end of its window.
First 400 of canola and 500 of long wheat out of ground.

Zipster
Zipster
May 2, 2022 8:44 am

Descriptions used words such as, Bully, Mean, Anti Social and more. None could understand how he became premier.

in turbulent times, the scum rises to the top

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
May 2, 2022 8:45 am

In Credibility to Burn news:

Russia has never halted efforts to avoid nuclear war-Lavrov

Mon, May 2, 2022, 6:01 AM
MILAN, May 1 (Reuters) – Russia is committed to working to prevent a nuclear war ever beginning, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said in an Italian television interview on Sunday.

“Western media misrepresent Russian threats,” Lavrov said

Translation: We have nuclear weapons. HUGE nuclear weapons. Huge nuclear weapons called SATAN that will destroy Whole Countries we don’t like.

Another reminder from the Kremlin for the Western media.
It must be Monday?

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 2, 2022 8:46 am

Thanks sfw.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 2, 2022 8:49 am

On the ruby Princess.

To address one point, put a stake through its heart and stop speculation

Decisions taken after the ship docked could and no doubt did affect the reproduction rate. (Unfounded speculations about air conditioning that may or may not have been interconnected aside).
The point being that what happened on the Diamond Princess doesn’t provide any firm basis to know what percentage of people will get covid, it didn’t then, it doesn’t now.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.08.20148775v1
Abstract
Objectives The Diamond Princess cruise ship is a unique case because it is the place at which testing capacity has reached its highest rate in the world during the COVID-19 pandemic. By analysing data that are collected about the current COVID-19 outbreak onboard, and by considering the design of the air conditioning system of the ship and virus transmission modes on cruise ships, this study aims to raise the hypothesis regarding the role of poor ventilation systems in the spread of COVID-19.

Design This is an analysis of count data that has been collected by the onboard clinic up to the 20th February 2020. Symptomatic infection rates during the quarantine period in cabins with previous confirmed cases are compared to these in cabins without previous confirmed cases.

Results Symptomatic infection rate during the quarantine period in cabins with previously confirmed cases is not significantly higher than that in cabins without previously confirmed cases. Age doesn’t appear to be a cofounder.

Conclusions Airborne transmission of COVID-19 through the ventilation system onboard could explain the virus spread into cabins during the quarantine period.

Now feel free to argue on the other points, the shitty ventilation was a factor in transmission.

132andBush
132andBush
May 2, 2022 8:50 am

A few technical issues

= Guidance issues

Zipster
Zipster
May 2, 2022 8:59 am
Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 2, 2022 9:03 am

ventilation was a factor in transmission

While kept in their cabins they all got food from somewhere too. The staff without symptoms would’ve been spreading it.

132andBush
132andBush
May 2, 2022 9:10 am

Thanks mole.

I’ll just throw this in for good measure.
Longer lockdowns.
Higher overall mortality.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 2, 2022 9:15 am

And good luck Mrs Alpha and Toad with your treatments.

Ditto.
And thanks to Bons and Lizzie for the travel updates.
All of this is a timely reminder to get out and enjoy life.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 2, 2022 9:21 am

It’s fun to see again and again how off the planet leftist US voters are. Meghan Markle is their #2 female choice for a candidate in 2024 after Michelle Obama.

Support for ‘President Meghan’ growing as Biden loses ground with voters (Express, 1 May)

THE prospect of Meghan Markle running for US President has been boosted with a new poll showing she is one of the preferred candidates.

There have been reports the Duchess of Sussex would like to make a pitch for the White House and her political ambitions have been supported in the Democracy Institute/ Express.co.uk monthly US tracker poll published today. Asked which female candidate they want, respondents put Markle second behind Michelle Obama but ahead of Vice President Kamala Harris and Hilary Clinton.

This chart has the relative percentages. Having Prince Harry as a woke ranga First Bloke would be interesting in a weird sort of way. I wonder if he does Meghan’s hair?

Struth
May 2, 2022 9:24 am

All of this is a timely reminder to get out and enjoy life.

Let everyone else do the dirty work.

Roger
Roger
May 2, 2022 9:27 am

It’s fun to see again and again how off the planet leftist US voters are. Meghan Markle is their #2 female choice for a candidate in 2024 after Michelle Obama.

AOC will be miffed.

Miltonf
Miltonf
May 2, 2022 9:36 am

The old scold strikes again

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 2, 2022 9:36 am

Elon’s got an Augean Stable to clean out, looks like.

Mike Lindell Comes Back to Twitter, Quickly Suspended (1 May)

MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell returned to Twitter on Sunday after being banned last year, but was quickly suspended again a short time later.

I hope Musk finds out which employee suspended him and shows him, her or it the door.

Roger
Roger
May 2, 2022 9:38 am

Any Cats read “The Managerial Revolution” by James Burnham?

Yes. The Machiavellians is even more prescient and The Suicide of the West is a classic of the post-war period. A Marxist-Trotskyist turned conservative, which is probably why he’s almost disappeared from the consciousness of contemporary intellectuals.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 2, 2022 9:48 am

Bruce of Newcastlesays:
May 2, 2022 at 9:03 am
ventilation was a factor in transmission

While kept in their cabins they all got food from somewhere too. The staff without symptoms would’ve been spreading it.

Good point.

But if you accept that a 15 minute face to face was enough to transmit then it goes against McClowns SCIENCE!!! that says 2 hours is required before you are a close contact of an infected person.

God I despise our politicians and their need to ‘do something’, and the health mongs who pander to them giving them ‘solutions” on shit or incomplete data.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
May 2, 2022 9:56 am

View from The Hill: Labor strongly ahead in Newspoll and Resolve, as election race enters final half

Newspoll, published in Monday’s Australian, has Labor ahead on a two-party basis by 53-47%, unchanged in a week. The ALP primary vote lifted a point to 38%, while the Coalition remained steady on 36%.

A Resolve poll for the Sydney Morning Herald and The Age has a Labor lead of 54-46%, the same as a fortnight before. The Resolve poll has Labor steady on a primary vote of 34%, while the Coalition has dropped from 35% to 33% on primaries.

View from the very bottom of the hill:

1) A massive National disinterest in both major parties – the 2PP estimates distribute ~20% and ~15% of the total vote to the ‘winning’ party. Australia is suffering in its jocks from the necrotic compulsory preferential voting system.

2) The poll samples are big enough to give an indication of national trends, but nowhere near large enough to predict seats, or states – or the “strongly ahead” conclusion.

3) The ‘independent vote’ is still roughly twice that of PHON, or UAP.

4) Hopefully the Resolve poll has fallen into the ‘small sample trap’ when it sees 15% support for the Greens.

5) The Senate is going to be a wild, crazy place – anyone’s guess.

Old Faustus’ Almanac prediction:
• ALP: 73
• Coalition: 68
• Crossbench: 10

Unless this scientific pick is very wrong, after finding a Speaker, the Albo Government will be gutshot and flopping around doing unhinged deals – much like the Gillard Glory Days.

Springtime for the swivel-eyed and relevance deprived.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 2, 2022 9:56 am

Mole – I was thinking of all the oceans of hand sanitizer we’ve been using. That suggests the critter can be passed by contact. I haven’t read up on that though. The sanitizer would work, unlike a cloth mask, but you would have to actually use it. The Diamond Princess case occurred very early in the timeline, so asymptomatic crew may not have been especially good at hand washing or using sanitizer, if there was any then.

rosie
rosie
May 2, 2022 9:58 am

BoN
You want to pretend that mask loving in normal times Japanese wouldn’t have insisted on masks and gloves not to mention that food trays were most likely left at the door for passengers in quarantine?
Not to mention the passengers themselves (approximately 2000 passengers were Japanese)were probably very keen to avoid contact with potentially affected others?
Scrabble as hard as you like passenger infections decreased significantly after quarantine measures were implemented.

Rabz
May 2, 2022 9:58 am

One of my friends is involved in the https://majorslast.com/ website and has asked if I could post their donations page, as they are seeking funding for extension of the PML platform for the upcoming state elections in Victoria and NSW.

https://majorslast.com/donate

The site also crashed after being discussed on Outsiders yesterday, so it’s go to see that interest in it is growing.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
May 2, 2022 9:59 am

Glad I didn’t get that jab jab booster booster…………….

https://jessicar.substack.com/p/the-bradford-hill-criteria?s=w

rickw
rickw
May 2, 2022 10:00 am

Now feel free to argue on the other points, the shitty ventilation was a factor in transmission.

As I said last night, ventilation system only add a small proportion of fresh air, the rest is recycled. The filtration in the ventilation system won’t remove the virus any better than your N95 mask will.

Virtually everyone on that vessel was exposed via the ventilation system.

Nor is the ventilation system shit, it’s how the all work, vessels, buildings, aircraft. They all only change out the air over time, recycling most of it. It’s not feasible or necessary to do it any other way.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
May 2, 2022 10:01 am

Asked which female candidate they want, respondents put Markle second behind Michelle Obama but ahead of Vice President Kamala Harris and Hilary Clinton.

Actually, given that choice, I’d probably have to vote that way too.

Dot
Dot
May 2, 2022 10:08 am

The ban on hydroxychloroquine in Qld has been quietly revoked and a randomised double blind control trial of Vitamin D with frontline health workers has shown a 78% reduction in infection and a 67% reduction in hospitalisation in those using Vitamin D supplements.

Fantastic news.

Now onto Ivy McTin.

It shows this whole pathetic waste of two years of billions of lives was just a shameless “GeT dRuMpF” psy op.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 2, 2022 10:10 am

Struthsays:

May 2, 2022 at 9:24 am

All of this is a timely reminder to get out and enjoy life.

Let everyone else do the dirty work.

And what “dirty work” are you doing, champ?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 2, 2022 10:10 am

You want to pretend that mask loving in normal times Japanese wouldn’t have insisted on masks and gloves not to mention that food trays were most likely left at the door for passengers in quarantine?

Rosie – I don’t think the Diamond Princess crew were Japanese somehow. And the crew were stuck there too that whole month.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
May 2, 2022 10:14 am

On majorslast:

The helpful calculator correctly filled in my lower house ballot for Brisbane.

The preferencing for the majors is a no brainer, but there seems to be a bit of subjective in the order for the minors.

Roger
Roger
May 2, 2022 10:15 am

Unless this scientific pick is very wrong, after finding a Speaker, the Albo Government will be gutshot and flopping around doing unhinged deals – much like the Gillard Glory Days.

Thankfully Elbow’s already announced there’ll be no carbon tax under a government he leads.

rosie
rosie
May 2, 2022 10:16 am

I read the full text, to the quoted ‘results and discussion’
First of all the authors only claim ‘could’ not did.
Secondly no-one is claiming zero transmission via ventilation only that most transmission was via aerosol person to person spread prior to quarantine.
What is very clear is that the science wasn’t settled on the Diamond Princess.

3 RESULTS AND DISCUSSION
The number of new symptomatic confirmed cases in all cabins continued to decline as the quarantine continued (Table 1, Fig. 1). This may have been due to the strict infection prevention and control measures that were put in place during the quarantine period onboard the ship (Mizumoto and Chowell, 2020; Zhang et al., 2020) resulting in a substantial decline of the dominant transmission mode onboard, i.e., passenger-to-passenger transmission, as a result of passengers staying inside their cabins (Mizumoto and Chowell, 2020). Alternatively, a large proportion of asymptomatic cases may have remained undetected (Plucinski et al., 2002; Emery et al., 2020).

rosie
rosie
May 2, 2022 10:21 am

I wasn’t referring to the crew BoN, I was referring to the large number of Japanese passengers and the government overseeing the quarantine arrangements.
There is still very clear evidence that many people still observe mask, hand sanitising and social distancing protocols without the government telling them to.
You don’t think a percentage of passengers in the face of a potentially fatal disease would have taken steps to avoid contracting it, even before the government stepped in?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
May 2, 2022 10:27 am

Thankfully Elbow’s already announced there’ll be no carbon tax under a government he leads.

Yes, we can all relax and be confident about that.
Man of Steel.

P
P
May 2, 2022 10:27 am

Speedbox has given us an excellent post Postcard from Kislovodsk

Thanks Speedbox, and good wishes to your wife at this sad time.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 2, 2022 10:32 am

Excellent morning in D-Town.

By Thursday or so, the remnants of this appalling humidity will die off. Five months of awesomeness beckon – clear skies, 32 degrees, all day every day.

Roger
Roger
May 2, 2022 10:39 am

In more scientific polling news, RedBridge Group reports that political candidates who “attack” Alphabet people (that is, who express a traditional, biologically based view of human sexuality) lose twice as many votes as they gain.

Their polling was commissioned by Equality Australia, “a national organisation which aims to protect the rights of LGBTIQ+ people.”

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 2, 2022 10:40 am

struth says:
August 27, 2021 at 5:33 am

If we do not disobey and fight we will die.
They will kill us and the ones that survive will wish they were dead.

Newsflash, Boaty McBoatface. Plenty have ‘disobeyed’. Plenty. They just didn’t disobey in the exact manner you demanded.

8.52 today:

All of you know , underneath, I never said death camps were operating now

Wrong.

I said they most likely will be in the future…….And everyone knows I didn’t mention gas chambers once etc

Uh huh.

you all know that but gutless you are in taking on the blovating little gang of sneerers

Oh. So everyone’s gutless for not being like you. Got it.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 2, 2022 10:45 am

Old Faustus’ Almanac prediction:
• ALP: 73
• Coalition: 68
• Crossbench: 10

If that happens, the reality on the Floor of Parliament will be
ALP 83
coalition 68
So much for Putting The Majors Last, it’s just an ALP preference scam.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 2, 2022 10:49 am

The reality is:
The Coalition has gotta get 76 seats minimum otherwise it’s the
Gillard /Wilkie/Katter/Oakeshott/Windsor/Crook/Bandt ClownShow
all over again.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
May 2, 2022 10:52 am

On Lizzie.

I get the impression that by travelling to the UK she’s become a Whore to Socialism, COW, and Sex Slave to Klaus Schwab. Which, of course, is fair enough.

However it raises an important constitutional point.

Given that unjabbed Australians can freely leave Australia, travel to the UK (other than with Leprechaun Airways), visit quaint pubs, and then return to GodZone – do Vaccination Virgins who travel descend into the same category of human vileness and depravity?

Or, do the already fallen simply become further fallen if they leave the Fatal Shore?

Inquiring for a friend.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 2, 2022 10:52 am

Froth and bubble and fairly floss from the AFL. The Hun:

Melbourne Football Club will adopt its traditional Indigenous name for two rounds.

For Rounds 10 and 11, as part of the league’s Sir Doug Nicholls Round, the Demons will become Narrm Football Club.

The initiative has been unveiled on Monday morning with former Demon Aaron Davey saying he was “delighted” to be part of a big day in the club’s history.

Club chief executive Gary Pert said it had been in motion for two years and would finally come to fruition. “Today is an exciting day, as we announce Narrm Football Club to our members, supporters and the wider football community,” Pert said.

Gary Pert used to be sensible. There was no traditional indig name for that club, or for that matter any club.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 2, 2022 10:53 am

*fairy floss*

Apologies. I was thinking about boats.

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
May 2, 2022 10:57 am

Italians ‘sweat for Ukraine’ as law sets air conditioners at 27 degrees

Italians are being asked to sweat through the European summer a little more than normal as the government enlists the help of its citizens to wean itself off its Russian gas.

Under the new law, dubbed Operation Thermostat by the local media, air conditioning in public buildings, including schools and government ministries, cannot be set lower than 27 degrees celsius from this month. The measure will last until April 2023, and will also prevent heating systems next winter from lifting temperatures above 19 degrees.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 2, 2022 11:03 am

Dr F.
Stop it.
You will need an ENT surgeon to remove your tongue from your cheek if you keep this up.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 2, 2022 11:05 am

I must say, with the exception of a couple of cock-smokers, the bonhomie and good humour has been top drawer this morning.

Roger
Roger
May 2, 2022 11:05 am

Melbourne Football Club will adopt its traditional Indigenous name for two rounds.

I wonder how this nonsense will go down in the American sports TV market Gollum McPolopony is presently seeking to entice?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 2, 2022 11:11 am

In more scientific polling news, RedBridge Group reports that political candidates who “attack” Alphabet people (that is, who express a traditional, biologically based view of human sexuality) lose twice as many votes as they gain.

Tell that to woke Subway.

Report: Backlash over Ads Featuring Anthem-Kneeler Megan Rapinoe Adds to Subway’s Woes (1 May)

The Subway fast-food chain has been struggling — even before the coronavirus — but many franchise owners also felt that hiring U.S. soccer star and national anthem protester Megan Rapinoe as a national spokesperson was no help at all.

According to a report in the New York Post, Subway lost 1,043 outlets in 2021, which was more than the new outlets they opened.

The loss only added to the 1,609 lost in 2020 at the height of the coronavirus hysteria and the 999 lost in 2019. The number of closed restaurants means that Subway’s national footprint has contracted 15 percent since 2019 and 22 percent overall since 2016.

In contrast, McDonald’s only contracted 3.4 percent over the last few years during the COVID mess.

So, what is going wrong? Well, some franchise owners feel that hiring Megan Rapinoe was just one of the contributing factors to Subway’s mounting woes.

I’m sure Subway is the preferred fast food for the pink-haired dyke demographic. Others now might not like a foot long meaty offering from them though.

rickw
rickw
May 2, 2022 11:12 am

What is very clear is that the science wasn’t settled on the Diamond Princess.

It was. It was definitively settled with respect to mortality following infection which is the one measure that really counts: Bugger all.

Stop trying to make excuses for idiot government and bureaucrats going on a two year destruction spree when they had good and useful information at hand that could have been used for good decision making.

Roger
Roger
May 2, 2022 11:14 am

The Subway fast-food chain has been struggling — even before the coronavirus — but many franchise owners also felt that hiring U.S. soccer star and national anthem protester Megan Rapinoe as a national spokesperson was no help at all.

An own goal, you might say.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
May 2, 2022 11:26 am

Italians are being asked to sweat through the European summer a little more than normal as the government enlists the help of its citizens to wean itself off its Russian gas.

Just possible that there may be slightly less than 97.3% compliance.

But not in Germany, where the state has taken quite extraordinary steps to wean itself off Poot energy. Since the end of last year, the Russian share of German fossil energy had fallen:

Oil: 35% to 15%
Black Coal: 50% to 8%
Gas: 55% to 35%

Die Grünen are tumescent claiming a moral victory for the climate. Roughly translated,‘doing good by doing good’.
The Greens equivalent of win-win.

sfw
sfw
May 2, 2022 11:32 am

I did that vote thingy that tells you how to put the major parties last. No good for my electorate, it had the freedom parties at the top but then had Helen Haines, one of the Climate 200 candidates, she’s the sitting member and as green as they come.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 2, 2022 11:33 am

St Ruth.
Are you now saying that there are no death camps?
And your position is that an enclosed low-medium security compound could be used as a concentration camp in the future?
If so, it sounds awfully like Klaus has wimped it in the face of your staunch opposition.
Well done you!

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
May 2, 2022 11:42 am

Others now might not like a foot long meaty offering from them though.

It’s the slightly farty smell about the Subway joints that puts me off.
(Not that I go for foot long meaty offerings very often.)

Arky
May 2, 2022 11:45 am

Before you book your travel
Check your vaccination requirements
Your vaccination status will determine what you need to do to enter Australia.
There are more things to consider when you do not meet Australia’s definition of fully vaccinated for international travel purposes.
If you cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons, you can access the same arrangement as vaccinated travellers. You must be able to provide acceptable medical evidence. For more information see Vaccination and testing.

..
-Home affairs.gov

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 2, 2022 11:46 am

No good for my electorate, it had the freedom parties at the top but then had Helen Haines, one of the Climate 200 candidates, she’s the sitting member and as green as they come.

Flaw in the algo.
They are treating Climate 200 just as it has been misrepresented by Holmes a Court and co.
That it is a “loose association of middle ground independents” rather than the hard left green activists they really are, complete with opaque funding structures to avoid scrutiny.
If PML is putting those grubs in the middle of the field, forget it.

Arky
May 2, 2022 11:47 am

Unvaccinated Australian citizens and permanent residents are strongly discouraged from international travel due to the health risks.

..
-Homeaffairs.gov

Roger
Roger
May 2, 2022 11:47 am

Meghan Markle’s upcoming animated series ‘Pearl’ has been quietly dropped by Netflix before it even went to air.

That’ll leave her with more time to finesse her political skills for her upcoming POTUS tilt.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 2, 2022 11:48 am

It’s the slightly farty smell about the Subway joints that puts me off.

What is that?
Re-heated frozen bread?

Hugh
Hugh
May 2, 2022 11:48 am

Not sure if this has already been posted, but it is pretty funny.

Topher Field: Facepuncher

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
May 2, 2022 11:49 am

And your position is that an enclosed low-medium security compound could be used as a concentration camp in the future?

Bugger. I was so looking forward to him disproving my demonstrations that the effectively-closed Mickleham, completely closed and repurposed Howard Springs and barely used (and fast going the way of Howard Springs) Wellcamp are useless as concentration/DeAtH CaMpS because of their construction and location and almost complete lack of security.

Ah well.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
May 2, 2022 11:49 am

I must say, with the exception of a couple of cock-smokers, the bonhomie and good humour has been top drawer this morning.

WTF “top drawer”?
It’s ‘top shelf’.
You absolute moron.

Arky
May 2, 2022 11:50 am

Arrangements for international travel are not the same for vaccinated and unvaccinated.
Having said that, at this point it is understandable that people damn well want to get on with their lives, and good on them too.
Including good old Lizzie.
Enjoy your trip Lizzie.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 2, 2022 11:53 am

Are you now saying that there are no death camps?

In his own words: ‘well what else would you have concluded’.

an enclosed low-medium security compound could be used as a concentration camp in the future?

With ‘security’ identical to your average truck yard (ie, middling to none), and at some undefined future point. Perfect for a lifetime of generalised prophecy.

If so, it sounds awfully like Klaus has wimped it in the face of your staunch opposition.

The Illuminati never dies. Each unique proposition will now be more fantastic than the last, because doubling down is now the only forward course. None so blind. Only a deluded fool could not see, etc etc.

Scoff. Sneer.

John Brumble
John Brumble
May 2, 2022 11:54 am

The “put majors last” calculator came up with a complete clusterfk for my seat.

With Newman joining the LDP and David “I say I stand for free speech, but only when it’s politically expedient or when I want to have a petty fight with an idiot” Leyonhjelm off, I’m happy to give them another go. But when I select the LDP and LNP combo, I get Palmer United Party and One Nation as second and third, ahead of two independents that, while possibly complete fruit loops, at least have some kind of “small government” platform.

Perhaps it just assumes that all independents are Greens… which is generally pretty much spot on, but isn’t always. As far as I’m concerned, Palmer and One Nation are worse than the majors because they’re eating up the protest vote while still playing the stupid “how much of other peoples’ money can I spend”, big-government game.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
May 2, 2022 11:56 am

COVID-19: Re-entry and quarantine measures

Australian permanent residents and citizens can travel to Australia regardless of vaccination status.

smartraveller.gov.au

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 2, 2022 11:57 am

Unvaccinated Australian citizens and permanent residents are strongly discouraged from international travel due to the health risks.
..
-Homeaffairs.gov

Serious question.

So – unvaxxed people can go overseas if they want? Of course, this would be dependent on the ‘receiving’ country – but has this changed?

rickw
rickw
May 2, 2022 11:57 am

Arrangements for international travel are not the same for vaccinated and unvaccinated.
Having said that, at this point it is understandable that people damn well want to get on with their lives, and good on them too.

The amount of travel is starting to pick up finally, I know a number of people who have traveled and the general feedback has been:

1). You will be required to collate vast amounts of documentation and print it and have it at hand.

2). At your arrival destination you will feel like you should be presenting and handling over your documentation to someone. Be warned of the emotional impact of no one giving a fuck about your carefully prepared documentation. You may find a sympathetic official to take it from you, if they are especially kind they will wait until you are out of sight before dumping it in the bin.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 2, 2022 12:00 pm

Apologies. Partial snaps all round.

That was lazy. I’ll have a look – appreciate the links.

Franx
Franx
May 2, 2022 12:06 pm

With the likes of Andrews still maintaining a grip on the SoE, there is no guarantee that the unvaxxed will be allowed re-entry into the country. I have not been following msm news at all closely, but given the ccp lockdown, Andrews may yet and again be inspired to some level of mimetics. Not likely yet not impossible. Useful to be kept uncertain if not anxious.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 2, 2022 12:09 pm

The Federal health site – and in line with rickw’s observations earlier:

Passengers departing Australia are recommended to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19 and travel with proof of vaccination status documentation. Unvaccinated Australians are strongly discouraged from international travel due to the health risks. If you decide to travel when unvaccinated, you may be required to quarantine on return to Australia at your own expense and be subject to passenger caps.

Travellers are reminded that it is your responsibility to ensure you meet the requirements of the airline or vessel operator, including cruise lines, you are travelling with and any countries you transit through, which may include a requirement to be vaccinated.

Then there’s this:

All outbound passengers must provide proof of vaccination status when exiting Australia if requested by a relevant official.

If requested? Who’s a relevant official? Is ‘proof of vaccination’ one, two or three jabs?

Geez, that last statement’s vague. It’s almost as if people somewhere were hedging bets, or just having something somewhere for the sake of it.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 2, 2022 12:11 pm

If you decide to travel when unvaccinated, you may be required to quarantine on return to Australia at your own expense

I am extremely confident this is outdated.

and be subject to passenger caps.

I assume this means ‘put a cap in yo ass’.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
May 2, 2022 12:14 pm

So – unvaxxed people can go overseas if they want?

Yes.
It depends where you go.
If you make like Lizzie and go to the UK, the only material difference between being vaxxed and unvaxxed is:

1) you can’t travel QANTAS;

2) if you return to Queensland, you have to undertake a RAT test ($7.50 Chemist’s Warehouse) within 24 hrs of your return + you can’t visit hospitals or aged care silos for 7 day.

Intolerable.

(Actually, if you’re over 70, the other material difference is a lower risk of falling into the clutches of the NHS if you catch Omigod.)

sfw
sfw
May 2, 2022 12:15 pm

John Brumble, lover of the uniparty.

Arky
May 2, 2022 12:17 pm

Dr Faustus says:
May 2, 2022 at 11:56 am
COVID-19: Re-entry and quarantine measures

Australian permanent residents and citizens can travel to Australia regardless of vaccination status

..
True.
However, all the machinery remains in place to differentiate vaccinated from unvaccinated, and it is thrown back onto the states. At the moment, they all let everyone in regardless of vaccination status.
Hopefully that remains the case. The coming winter and whatever variant arrives will tell.
How stupid does the wrangling over Djokovic seem now? Pretty stupid. Does that mean Dan the tyrant won’t shut it all down again and throw you in hotel quarantine if cases rise again?
Fuck nose.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 2, 2022 12:19 pm

Yes.

Appreciated, Dr Faustus. I hadn’t taken much interest in that aspect, as I hadn’t planned to go anywhere in the short term.

Good to know this country isn’t the national death camp made out by others.

Another plank fallen from under the platform.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
May 2, 2022 12:21 pm

Does that mean Dan the tyrant won’t shut it all down again and throw you in hotel quarantine if cases rise again?
Fuck nose.

And that, right there, is long Covid.

rickw
rickw
May 2, 2022 12:22 pm

How stupid does the wrangling over Djokovic seem now? Pretty stupid. Does that mean Dan the tyrant won’t shut it all down again and throw you in hotel quarantine if cases rise again?
Fuck nose.

Especially given that high profile sportsmen who gave him shit about being unvaxxed are either dead or sidelined with heart issues….

Arky
May 2, 2022 12:24 pm

I think it’s 90% media driven.
If the war thing dries up they may go “Look! Cases! cases! Cases”! again to gin up eyeballs.
The turds.

Struth
May 2, 2022 12:28 pm

You can now leave unvaccinated.
However, when Lizzie booked her holiday that wasn’t the case.
So my criticism stands.

She was willing to flash her Nazi pass to leave.
She was willing to participate in segregation, just like Notaclue.

And like many other c…ts here.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 2, 2022 12:32 pm

So – unvaxxed people can go overseas if they want? 

“Strongly discouraged” is DFAT code for “if you end up in hospital overseas, don’t call us”, but we aren’t stopping you going.
And this has been the case for a while, particularly if you are emigrating permanently.
This is also the reason one very noisy knob hasn’t stuck his head up here for a while. You know, the one who was “leaving this shithole for good but can’t”.

Struth
May 2, 2022 12:33 pm

The dumb here burns.
Even Macron scaled back before the election and after it immediately introduced what we are all going to be introduced to, digital money and a social credit scheme.

After two years there are some so antagonistic toward the bleeding obvious as to make constant dicks of themselves.
And then there are those that say nothing while they continue to do so.

Not one state of Emergency has been rescinded.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 2, 2022 12:34 pm

I always practice segregation when I travel.
I insist that economy passengers be kept well away.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 2, 2022 12:35 pm

This is also the reason one very noisy knob hasn’t stuck his head up here for a while. You know, the one who was “leaving this shithole for good but can’t”.

Banzai!

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
May 2, 2022 12:35 pm

Toad & Zulu best of luck.

Small steps for international travel atm but a snapshot below of countries that used to rely on tourist dollars to our north. Thailand, Vietnam & Indonesia require COVID insurance, small print on this would be fascinating and try getting an Asian hospital to recognise. Visa on arrival suspended in most places. Thais have some TAT approved Hotel that must be booked for 3 nights. Forums say some of the websites to upload documents for entry won’t take .pdf’s, crash often and will send you back to the start after a glitch. All countries need double vax but some will allow unvaxed travellers entry after a quarantine.

https://southeastasiabackpacker.com/corona-virus-southeast-asia/

My take, we aren’t travelling till all these hurdles are gone. Thailand and Vietnam in my experience have some of the longest customs waits, that wads of paperwork required would blow that out to the insufferable IMO.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 2, 2022 12:37 pm

Nazi pass

segregation

A Grade Bosi vocabulary.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
May 2, 2022 12:37 pm

The dumb here burns.

So why are you the only one here screaming, Struth?

Kneel
Kneel
May 2, 2022 12:38 pm

“Thankfully Elbow’s already announced there’ll be no carbon tax under a government he leads.”

It might be more encouraging had he said “…under a government he heads.” – we know he won’t be leading it, but would certainly head it.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
May 2, 2022 12:39 pm

This is also the reason one very noisy knob hasn’t stuck his head up here for a while. You know, the one who was “leaving this shithole for good but can’t”.

Banzai!

You mean, the Glowie actually carried through?!

Wow, +1 respect point to that man…

JC
JC
May 2, 2022 12:39 pm

Zipster says:
May 2, 2022 at 12:30 pm
Steve Hilton goes after the New York Times for calling the Biden economy ‘solid’

Zip, it’s great to hit the demented crook over the head with the GDP number (-1.4%). But, between us it wasn’t as bad as it looks. The stuff that made that number look bad was all entangled with the non-domestic supply lines.

But please, use it to scramble the loons head even more. -:)

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 2, 2022 12:40 pm

1) you can’t travel QANTAS;

Err, that just saved me a bundle.
Some fucking grifter* on 3AW the other day talking up how great it is to hear an Aussie accent when you board a plane to come home.
Two things:-
1. I am not paying a 25% premium for Aussie accents;
2. If you fly Cathay, you have a 50% chance of getting the Aussie accent.

* Mentioned he had flown Business Class “courtesy of Q” and then dropped in at the end that his three kids were with him. That’s about $25k right there.

Struth
May 2, 2022 12:41 pm

And this has been the case for a while, particularly if you are emigrating permanently.
This is also the reason one very noisy knob hasn’t stuck his head up here for a while. You know, the one who was “leaving this shithole for good but can’t”.

It has been the case for only about two weeks.
This is just the before election relaxation of restrictions that is all.
Only the completely gullible, those with their heads firmly up their arses would be so foolish as to see this as the end of restrictions and openly declare it.

Struth
May 2, 2022 12:42 pm

Ha ha, the emails have been sent.
Funny as fuck.

shatterzzz
May 2, 2022 12:44 pm

Meghan Markle’s upcoming animated series ‘Pearl’ has been quietly dropped by Netflix before it even went to air.
I’m guessing she still got paid so other than another dent in he rego the bank balance continues to swell!

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 2, 2022 12:51 pm

Knuckle Draggersays:

May 2, 2022 at 11:53 am

Are you now saying that there are no death camps?

In his own words: ‘well what else would you have concluded’.

This is most telling.
The only thing he could have concluded was “concentration camps”.
There are many other things you could conclude, mostly involving political profligacy and expediency.
Building camps, knowing they would be useless, to distract from hotel quarantine fuck-ups and to reassure the Karens they will be “kept safe”.
Or could it be good old-fashioned pork-barrelling and slinging contracts to maaaates.
This is the problem with Klaus Schwab innernet rabbit-holes.
Go there enough and you end up in “what else could I conclude” world.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
May 2, 2022 12:54 pm

This is just the before election relaxation of restrictions that is all.

Struth’s gone all Mad Gerald on us again in his dungeon, I see…

Just you wait and see. They’ll close us all down again and you’ll all be sorry then!

YoU’lL AlL BeE SoRrY!!!1! ReeeeEEEeee!1!!!!
[Maniacal Laughter Intensifies…]

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 2, 2022 12:54 pm

Struthsays:

May 2, 2022 at 12:42 pm

Ha ha, the emails have been sent.

Yes, yes.
Three or four people couldn’t possibly spontaneously disagree with the village oracle.
It just has to be a concerted campaign by Klaus flunkies, orchestrated in the background.
Delusional.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 2, 2022 12:55 pm

those with their heads firmly up their arses would be so foolish as to see this as the end of restrictions and openly declare it.

I’ll tell you what I’m not declaring.

I’m not declaring it as yet another step down the road to this:

They will kill us and the ones that survive will wish they were dead.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
May 2, 2022 12:56 pm

Three or four people couldn’t possibly spontaneously disagree with the village oracle.
It just has to be a concerted campaign by Klaus flunkies, orchestrated in the background.
Delusional.

The denialism is strong on this blog… 😀

(Snork)

Kneel
Kneel
May 2, 2022 12:57 pm

“It just has to be a concerted campaign by Klaus flunkies, orchestrated in the background.”

Get with it Sancho – it’s lizard people, doncha know.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 2, 2022 12:57 pm

Zipstersays:
May 2, 2022 at 12:30 pm
Steve Hilton goes after the New York Times for calling the Biden economy ‘solid’

Solid as a pair of concrete sandshoes?

Struth
May 2, 2022 12:57 pm

It’s embarrassing to see the denialism so out there.

It’s all over

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 2, 2022 1:01 pm

Get with it Sancho – it’s lizard people, doncha know.

Can’t they be lizard people and Klaus flunkies?

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
May 2, 2022 1:07 pm

How do you get a shit stain off the couch? Move his phone out of reach. What a sad little turd.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
May 2, 2022 1:07 pm

Another Look at Covid Vaccine Studies

BY MANFRED HORST MAY 1, 2022 VACCINES 4 MINUTE READ

From the beginning of the COVID-19 crisis, the risk factors for severe forms and death from – or “with” – the respiratory virus called SARS-CoV-2 had been clearly identified: Advanced age, obesity, severe chronic comorbidities (other diseases, e.g. hypertension, diabetes, cancer).

For people without any of these characteristics, the risk of dying from (or even only “in relation with”) COVID-19 is very low and close to 0.

The vaccines are supposed to prevent severe disease and death; otherwise, they – and a fortiori their expedited approvals – would be entirely pointless.

At this point in time however, we still cannot possibly know whether they actually do. Martin Kulldorf is therefore entirely right when he demands in his recent article that the manufacturers “conduct a proper randomized clinical trial that proves that the vaccines reduce mortality.”

The design and execution of such a trial – in the high risk group (e.g. >65 years of age, plus at least one comorbidity), over a reasonable timeframe (at least 6 months), comparing overall (not only test-positive) mortality in a placebo to a verum-group – would have been (and would still be) straightforward and much less complex than the registration studies that were in fact carried out with these products.

How the trials were conducted is clearly stated in the protocols, publications, and FDA submissions: People who developed symptoms (the lists of these symptoms changed a little from one manufacturer to another, but they were all non-specific common cold or flu symptoms) underwent PCR testing. If – and only if – the test turned out to be positive (in the Pfizer study, this was the case in merely 170 out of more than 3,400 symptomatic patients), the endpoint of “symptomatic Covid-19” was considered as having been reached.

What these studies showed was that in people presenting with common cold or flu symptoms, the SARS-CoV-2 virus was detected significantly less frequently in the vaccinated than in the placebo group.

What was thus demonstrated was in no way a reduction in any clinically defined and distinguishable disease entity, but only in the number of positive tests for one particular virus of many which are known to cause the non-specific symptoms in question.

What was not demonstrated however, was a reduction in common cold and flu symptoms per se. Quite the contrary.

All the observational studies which have been carried out with the Covid-19 vaccines suffer, apart from some of the well-known general biases, from exactly the same fundamental flaw: They show a decrease in “Covid-19-related” symptom-free or symptomatic cases, hospitalizations or deaths, but they do not ask the question whether this decline in test-positive patients translates into an overall reduction of flu cases, of (atypical) pneumonias, of hospitalizations and deaths.

However, this is the clinically truly relevant question.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
May 2, 2022 1:07 pm

Can’t they be lizard people and Klaus flunkies?

I may have eaten Klaus the other day. It probably wasn’t a good idea- It was almost as bad as that time when my cousin once ate a Hippie…

#BadIdeas

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
May 2, 2022 1:11 pm

Struth’s now pivoted to being excited about food shortages.

Struth baby, if you’re worried about your stubbies turning into budgie smugglers (or worse, G-bangers), take one bite less every time you have something to eat.

As a habit, it actually works. 🙂

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
May 2, 2022 1:14 pm

@ OldOzzie-

You naughty man, you… 😀

That was glorious.

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
May 2, 2022 1:19 pm

Meghan Markle’s upcoming animated series ‘Pearl’ has been quietly dropped by Netflix before it even went to air.

I thought it was ok to cast swill before swine.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
May 2, 2022 1:21 pm

Australia’s Motor Magazine axed after 68 years

After helping shape Australian car culture for more than half a century – and becoming a driving force in iconic Holden-versus-Ford battles – Motor Magazine has reached the end of the road.

One of Australia’s most iconic car magazines, Motor, will print its last edition next month after 68 years.

Originally called Modern Motor and launched in May 1954, the magazine helped shape Australian car culture and was one of the driving forces in iconic Holden-versus-Ford battles on the road and track for more than half a century.

Motor Magazine – a sister title to Wheels Magazine – is due to print its last and 827th issue in June 2022 and be on the news stands in July, the company announced today.

As with women’s magazines, ‘lads’ magazines, and weekly tabloid titles, Australian car magazines have struggled in the internet age.

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
May 2, 2022 1:29 pm

Australia’s Motor Magazine axed after 68 years

When was the last time someone actually bought this from a newsagent?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 2, 2022 1:32 pm

One of Albanese’s front-and-centre candidates might need to rethink a few things (the Tele):

One of Labor’s Senate candidates has been exposed as a radical leftist who has played down the 2014 Lindt siege, come out against the AUKUS agreement, and nearly every year calls for Australia Day to be changed.

The Daily Telegraph can reveal Mich-Elle Myers has since deleted the controversial posts and her entire Twitter account.

Ms Myers, who is Labor’s number five pick on the NSW Senate ticket, had also mocked religion, tweeting that Jesus was “gay”, called for Australia Day to be changed, and called for the nation’s airlines to be nationalised.

At least Albanese can distance himself from this stupid, stupid woman. Oh wait:

Ms Myers is an extremely senior figure within the ALP, being the party’s national vice president and chaired its national conference in 2021 and is said to be very close to Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese.

In a series of tweets in 2016, Ms Myers tweeted in regard to the 2014 Lindt Café siege, “Martin Place was NOT a terror attack! Stop spreading the fear!”

In the tweets Ms Myers mocked the need for tougher anti-terror laws and also said that “the nutcase in the café wasn’t a terrorist he was a nutcase with a gun,” despite an inquest into the attack finding that the 16 hour siege orchestrated by lone wolf gunman Man Haron Monis was indeed a terrorist attack.

Well, Myers leaves people’s faith alone. Oh:

In series of attacks on the Catholic faith in 2013, Ms Myers tweeted, “Jesus was gay! You heard it here first”, told the Pope to “get your head out of your arse!”, and wrote, “I’ve had enough of the catholic (sic) church & the sh*t that comes from their mouths”.

Contradicting Labor policy to support the AUKUS defence arrangement, Ms Myers tweeted on the day that the agreement was signed, “the news about nuclear subs and defence deals (sic) has made me feel sick.”

The upside is she’s not part of the union movement. Er:

Ms Myers is on the leadership team of the Maritime Union of Australia, which has co-ordinated a vocal campaign against the arrangement, despite Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese pledging to support AUKUS if Labor forms government.

She is also a strong supporter of fellow unionist and CFMEU Secretary John Setka, who in 2019 was convicted of harassing his wife and breaching court orders and was that same year expelled from the Labor Party.

The official line:

“Ms Myers has apologised for her past comments. They do not reflect Labor’s views,” an ALP spokesman.

Kneel
Kneel
May 2, 2022 1:32 pm

“Can’t they be lizard people and Klaus flunkies?”

Well, technically, I suppose so – but they are first and foremost lizard people, and the skins suit is irrelevant. It’s not Klaus they are loyal to, it’s K’lu’ess.

But don’t blame me – I’m voting for Kodos!

Winston Smith
May 2, 2022 1:34 pm

Lizzie:

Caught up.
Thank God.

Good on you, Winston. I’m not even in the race for that.

I’m a compulsive link clicker so it takes ages for me to get caught up. Calli continually catches me with the 3 Old Girls thing. Each time I say to myself – she wouldn’t do that again, would she?
Zot!
Winston falls for it every time.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
May 2, 2022 1:34 pm

The real Zelensky: From celebrity populist to unpopular Pinochet-style neoliberal – Interview

Ukrainian academic Olga Baysha details Volodymyr Zelensky’s embrace of widely loathed neoliberal policies, his repression of rivals, and how his actions fueled the current war with Russia.

A comedic actor who rose to the country’s highest office in 2019, Volodymyr Zelensky was virtually unknown to the average American, except perhaps as a bit player in the Trump impeachment theater. But when Russia attacked Ukraine on February 24, 2022, Zelensky was suddenly transformed to an A-list celebrity in US media. American news consumers were bombarded with images of a man who appeared overcome by the tragic events, possibly in over his head, but ultimately sympathetic. It didn’t take long for that image to evolve into the khaki-clad, tireless hero governing over a scrappy little democracy and single-handedly staving off the barbarians of autocracy from the east.

But beyond that carefully crafted Western media image is something much more complicated and less flattering. Zelensky was elected by 73 percent of the vote on a promise to pursue peace while the rest of his platform was vague. On the eve of the invasion, however, his approval rating had sunk to 31 percent due to the pursuit of deeply unpopular policies.

Lysander
Lysander
May 2, 2022 1:39 pm

“Ms” Meyers sounds like a real hoot.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
May 2, 2022 1:40 pm

In Taking the Piss news:

Ukraine FM asks China to be security guarantor—interview

BEIJING—Ukraine’s foreign minister has asked China to provide security guarantees for Kyiv, in a lengthy interview containing some of the most direct criticisms of Moscow recently published by Beijing’s state media.

“Ukraine is currently studying the possibility of acquiring security guarantees from permanent members of the UN Security Council, including China, and other major powers,” Dmytro Kuleba was quoted as saying by official news agency Xinhua Saturday.

“We propose that China becomes one of the guarantors of Ukraine’s security, this is a sign of our respect and trust in the People’s Republic of China.”

After three months of mealy mouthed ‘give Russia a chance to make an offer that Ukraine can’t refuse’ peacenik twaddle, China is suddenly on the spot.

Golden embarrassment reigns.

win
win
May 2, 2022 1:41 pm

Unvaccinated parents and Carers with children admitted to BCH wards are not allowed to leave the room can not go to the family room or canteens or use other facilities. At the clinic you sit and wait with every one else.
Schools and hospitals have lost exceptional staff who refuse vaccination and are replace with people some of whom would not normally get a job.
I have removed a child from PICU due to two of these people but in all fairness the last admission to ICU the standard of care by every one was exceptional and one little girl lives to see another day.

Zipster
Zipster
May 2, 2022 1:41 pm
Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
May 2, 2022 1:45 pm

“Ms Myers has apologised for her past comments. They do not reflect Labor’s views,” an ALP spokesman.

The top 1/10th of the Labor iceberg, shoved underwater until May 22…

Winston Smith
May 2, 2022 1:59 pm

Top Ender:

People saying things like that have little understanding of battlefields. Any place that needs infantry needs at least the option of armour. In many battlefields if you can’t have armour then no infantry – so how can they take and hold ground essential to victory?

99 x out of 100 you would be correct.
Look at von Mansteins ‘thunder run’ to Leningrad in ’41. His spearhead armour was there to disrupt the Soviet defences, destroy communications and supply, as well as defeat in detail whatever Soviet armour he could find.
At one stage the OKW was telling him to stop and consolidate as he was outrunning his supply train, but he refused – his mission was disruption – not taking of territory. He was aware that if his mobile forces were pinned to an area, they would be trapped.
I suspect the Soviets took a lot of lessons from that action, because a large part of the Cold War Fulda Gap strategy was about tearing apart the NATO frontier lines to allow their Operational Manoeuvre Groups into the NATO rear areas and run amok. Their supply trains were inherent in the OMG make up.
It would be an interesting intellectual exercise to game that one out.
But yes – Armour without infantry can’t do the job, likewise infantry without armour.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
May 2, 2022 2:02 pm

What To Do About China
by Gordon G. Chang May 1, 2022 at 5:00 am

Is Xi Jinping really that bold… to start another war? … First, China considers the United States to be its enemy. Second the United States is no longer deterring China. China feels it has a big green light to do whatever it wants.

We Americans don’t pay attention to propaganda… After all, these are just words. At this particular time, these words… [suggest] to me that China is laying the justification for a strike on the United States. We keep ignoring what Beijing is saying. We kept ignoring what Osama bin Laden was saying.

We have to remember that the Chinese regime, unlike the Japanese, always warn its adversaries about what it is going to do

The second reason war is coming is that America’s deterrence of China is breaking down.

Di’s message was that with cash, China can do anything it wants, and that all Americans would take cash. He mentioned two words in this regard: Hunter Biden.

In February, [Biden] had a two hour phone call with Xi Jinping. By Biden’s own admission, he didn’t raise the issue of the origins of COVID 19 even once. If you are Xi Jinping, after you put down the receiver, your first thought is, “I just got away with killing hundreds of thousands of Americans.”

As of today, more than eight million people have died outside China. What happened? No one imposed costs on China.

For at least a half decade, maybe a little bit longer, Chinese military researchers have been openly writing about a new type of biological warfare….They talk about a new type of biological warfare of “specific ethnic genetic attacks.” In other words, pathogens that will leave the Chinese immune but sicken and kill everybody else, which means that the next disease from China can be a civilization killer.

China has bought the political establishment in the Solomon Islands, except for one brave man named David Suidani. Recently, somebody got the bright idea of publishing all of the specific payments that Beijing has made to Solomon Islands politicians…. We should be doing this with payments to American politicians, we should be doing this across the board.

What can happen next? We should not be surprised if China gives the Taliban an atomic weapon to be used against an American city. Would they be that vicious?

Then there’s somebody named John Kerry. Our republic is not safe when John Kerry carries a diplomatic passport, as he now does. He is willing to make almost any deal to get China to sign an enhanced climate arrangement.

Kerry came back and said, “Well, life is always full of tough choices in the relationship between nations.” Tough choices? We Americans need to ask, “What is Kerry willing to give up to get his climate deal?”

Extremely long but interesting read – Food for thought

rosie
rosie
May 2, 2022 2:03 pm

Heard Elbow on the radio by accident this morning.
What a mellifluous voice he has, what a positive view of the future he paints under a Labor government.
Swayed me in in instant.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 2, 2022 2:11 pm

Here’s Mivh-elle myers:
https://www.mua.org.au/team-members/national-office
Another MUA Official is Mick Dole-man.
Anyway, Mich-elle is National Women’s Liason Officer, perhaps brought on board after that Fair Work Case where the lady Crane Drivers were regularly threatened with being raped.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 2, 2022 2:15 pm

Albo front page headline in today’s Australian
Life will be ‘cheaper’ under me:

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
May 2, 2022 2:16 pm

Meghan Markle’s upcoming animated series ‘Meghan Markle’s upcoming animated series ‘Pearl’ has been quietly dropped by Netflix before it even went to air.’

Oh no!

rosie
rosie
May 2, 2022 2:19 pm

Even when I travelled end 2021 country level entry was a breeze, only time anyone looked at my vaxx cert was entering Italy, restaurants and cafes in Italy a pita after that, no drama with the EU pass.
It’s not as if the emergency powers didn’t exist pre 2020, they did, they’d just never been unleashed.
People can live their lives as a looming worse case scenario if they want.
And they can punt on getting or not getting covid while they are travelling, vaxxed or not vaxxed.

Winston Smith
May 2, 2022 2:21 pm

Bruce O’Newk:

It’s also interesting in light of the share market angst with quite large moves lately, especially in tech stocks, and especially with the jitters about inflation, interest rates and a possible recession. I wonder what he knows that we don’t?

I read a book about 50 years ago that predicted if the Greens and other lunatics got their way, it would end up as a power/food/water/minerals catastrophe.
Of course the people who were cold, hungry and freezing in the dark, (Yes, it was in the time before gerbil wormening and when the Econuts were predicting Snowball Earth.) threatened all kinds of blunt trauma/asphyxiation weren’t going to put up with it so the word went out from the Parliaments of the world – drill baby drill. Sod the consequences.
I think Mr Buffet sees that scenario in his tea leaves and is positioning himself accordingly.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
May 2, 2022 2:30 pm

riskw:

Especially given that high profile sportsmen who gave him shit about being unvaxxed are either dead or sidelined with heart issues….

ABC are busy trying to normalise high numbers of heart attacks.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-02/heart-attacks-australia-signs-and-symptoms-covid/101018596

A spate of reports in the media might make it seem like these serious medical episodes are out of the ordinary, but that is not the case.
“There’s nothing special about being a cricketer or aged 52 — this is a common event,” Professor Jennings said.
“It happens every four minutes.”

The ABC is fighting a strawman. Nobody said it was normally impossible to have a heart attack at 52. Nobody said it doesn’t happen 350 times a day in a country of 24 million in a typical year. The concern is that it is happening in the under 55s now way more than in prior normal years. Of course suspecting the rushed covid vaccines is a frequent trope, understandably.

So let me make an effort to do the reasoning that the ABC cannot or will not do.

ABC continues:

Despite 45 being the recommended age for a heart check, Professor Jennings has a stark warning for millions of Australians. “If you’ve had COVID, make sure you have a heart check,” he said.
Major studies in the United States and United Kingdom have suggested a person’s risk of heart disease almost doubles in the year after they’ve had COVID-19.
In the US study, it didn’t matter what someone’s age, race, sex or pre-existing health was — just having had the virus increased their risk.

Yep, but is that because of the spike protein or because of some other aspect of the virus? If it’s the spike, the pseudo-uridine mRNA jabs that reproduced the spike protein are still suspect. With such high vaccination rates in Australia and the UK it would be difficult to separate the effect of the jab from the effect of the disease. The ABC doesn’t address that, which is strange because the Nature article they reference *does* address that issue:

Risk of myocarditis and pericarditis without COVID-19 vaccination
Because some COVID-19 vaccines might be associated with a very rare risk of myocarditis or pericarditis, and to eliminate any putative contribution of potential vaccine exposure to the outcomes of myocarditis and pericarditis in this study, we conducted two analyses. First, we censored cohort participants at the time of receiving the first dose of any COVID-19 vaccine. Second, we adjusted for vaccination as a time-varying covariate. Both analyses were conducted versus both the contemporary and historical control groups. The results suggested that COVID-19 was associated with increased risk of myocarditis and pericarditis in both analyses

Okay so risk of inflammation didn’t go away when vaccinations are cancelled out. But does it still have some kind of amplifying effect? In the supplementary data the comparison to a contemporary control group where people are excluded from the study the moment they get jabbed found a hazard ratio of 5.31 for getting myocarditis from covid. The same comparison from the main study table (which includes the jabbed) got a hazard ratio of 5.38. Hardly any difference in hazard from excluding the jabbed. Does that address our concerns? Well it only addresses myocarditis, not heart attacks, so no, not exactly.

The other prereq for people being studied in this paper is they had to have registered with the USA Veterans Health Administration, which is going to lead to an upward bias in age. Suprisingly the mean age of this group was 63, I thought it would be higher. More surprising is their analysis by age showed the risk of any cardiovascular event from (allegedly) covid was hardly any different between the over 65s and the under 65s (HR 1.68 vs 1.58). This is strange because it doesn’t match the strong age effect seen in Covid hospitalisation rates from public hospitals.

So the main study that includes the jabbed finds insignificant effect of age on how often “covid-19” by itself causes cardiovascular events, and the only study that tests for any effect of the jabs only addresses myo- and peri- carditis, not strokes and heart attacks. I’d say the concerns about vaccine safety have not been addressed by these papers. It is good news if you assume you can’t get a heart attack from the jab unless you’ve had heart inflammation from it first, as the study shows no effect of the jabs in that case.

Ed Case
Ed Case
May 2, 2022 2:36 pm

. It is good news if you assume you can’t get a heart attack from the jab unless you’ve had heart inflammation from it first, as the study shows no effect of the jabs in that case.

What does that say, translated into English?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
May 2, 2022 2:38 pm

What a mellifluous voice he has…
Swayed me in in instant.

Strumpet.
It won’t last.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 2, 2022 2:39 pm

I wish I’d thought of this. USA Today:

Have you heard the latest viral conspiracy theory? Birds aren’t real, and the animals are actually drones sent from the government to spy on you.

The theory admits birds were real animals, but U.S. officials “forcibly made the entire species extinct in the 20th century,” according to the movement’s website, and “all of these real birds were replaced with surveillance drones.”

Except the Birds Aren’t Real movement is different from other conspiracy theories. Though more than 1 million followers have backed the movement, according to “60 Minutes,” they know it’s a joke aimed at the spread of misinformation.

Brilliant. In 2017 Peter McIndoe happened across a march for something or other, saw a group of counter-protesters, and decided both teams had equally stupid placards so he wrote ‘Birds Aren’t Real’ on one and joined them.

He continued to joke about the idea of the conspiracy at the rally, and a video of him went viral on Facebook. The claim spread among teenagers in the area, and McIndoe told the outlet that he and a friend, Connor Gaydos, wrote a fake history of the conspiracy, coming up with more jokes and fake details.

“It basically became an experiment in misinformation,” McIndoe said. “We were able to construct an entirely fictional world that was reported on as fact by local media and questioned by members of the public.”

Reported on as fact by local media.

“Birds Aren’t Real is not a shallow satire of conspiracies from the outside. It is from the deep inside,” McIndoe told the Times “A lot of people in our generation feel the lunacy in all this, and Birds Aren’t Real has been a way for people to process that.”

I suppose if I’d been taken in by a fake ‘government killed the birds and replaced them with drones’ arrangement, I would be compelled to say something like ‘well what would you have concluded’.

Struth
May 2, 2022 2:41 pm

Then of course, when it thinks I’m gone, in it comes attempting to excuse herself and make it “no biggie”.

Even when I travelled end 2021 country level entry was a breeze, only time anyone looked at my vaxx cert was entering Italy, restaurants and cafes in Italy a pita after that, no drama with the EU pass.
It’s not as if the emergency powers didn’t exist pre 2020, they did, they’d just never been unleashed.
People can live their lives as a looming worse case scenario if they want.
And they can punt on getting or not getting covid while they are travelling, vaxxed or not vaxxed.

She couldn’t have been released from the Australian prison without showing her good Nazi pass in the first place.

A worse case scenario is when your free western country gets taken over by tyrants and orders you to stay inside, give up your job, mask your face and get multiple injections so you even give your bodily autonomy over to them………..this is no biggie to Notafan, not worthy of fighting and acknowledging it’s happened…indeed, Emergency powers existed before, but they were never used, says this dim bulb of self excuse……….does this make it alright? Or is it just something to say?

No dipshit, they could not punt on catching covid while travelling vaxxed or unvaxxed, as the unvaxxed couldn’t leave.

Honestly , she just makes noise.
Illogical, immoral noise.

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
May 2, 2022 2:52 pm

I suppose if I’d been taken in by a fake ‘government killed the birds and replaced them with drones’ arrangement, I would be compelled to say something like ‘well what would you have concluded’.

That’s why the Lockdowns were enforced worldwide in 2020- Millions amd millions of batteries needed changing.

It just tells you how inept and/or widespread some states’ surveillance networks are (or how shit their replacement batteries were), that some of them kept having to do it.

My Nano-wriggler legions are all sustainably powered by perpetual motion and teenage angst,* so I’ve never felt a need to do anything similar… 🙂

*(The harvesting chambers are miserable and confusing places, full of goth makeup, expended tissue boxes, edgy animes and Green Day’s and My Chemical Romance’s entire catalogues on constant rotation. But the emotionally well-adjusted and functional adults who walk out at the opposite end and go on to live decent lives are a good outcome 🙂 ).

Rex Anger
Rex Anger
May 2, 2022 2:57 pm

orders you to stay inside, give up your job

Nobody was blanket-ordered to give up their jobs, Struth. Not once during the entire debacle.

You just threw a bigger tantrum than your previous ones, and resigned everything you were doing when a mandate was imposed in Queensland.

In WA alone, the vast majority of folks in industry and small business were initially exhorted to keep working, and those who had the ability to work from home (predominantly office types and pubic savants) were sent off.

Only when lockdowns and the stab dictate was imposed, did businesses begin to close.

Cassie of Sydney
May 2, 2022 3:07 pm

“In series of attacks on the Catholic faith in 2013, Ms Myers tweeted, “Jesus was gay! You heard it here first”, told the Pope to “get your head out of your arse!”, and wrote, “I’ve had enough of the catholic (sic) church & the sh*t that comes from their mouths”.”

Charming. Just imagine for a moment if some tweets had been discovered where Ms Myers had described the psychopathic warlord named Mo who lived fourteen hundred years ago as “gay” or she’d described Mo’s religion as “sh*t”.

Firstly, Ms Myers would already have been dumped from her senate spot and secondly, she’d already be in hiding.

I also note that in the Daily Telegraph piece about her disgusting tweets, the headline is “Labor senate candidate Mich-Elle Myers pulls controversial Twitter account”. Now note how Myers isn’t described as “controversial”, only her tweets are whereas Katherine Deves is almost always described in the MSM as the “controversial candidate”. I don’t know what others think but I reckon that Ms Myers is a lot more offensive and a lot more controversial than Katherine Deves.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 2, 2022 3:07 pm

Struthsays:
May 2, 2022 at 2:41 pm
Then of course, when it thinks I’m gone, in it comes …

Easy, tiger.
You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that people here hold you in great awe and are afraid of you.
The truth?
Some pity you.
Some patronise you.
Others find you a source of great amusement as you arrive each day spinning like whirling dervish and screeching like a cocky caught in a rabbit trap.
But no-one is afraid of you, champ.

calli
calli
May 2, 2022 3:12 pm

The flies! The flies! Little, persistent black ones, trying to get in your ears, up your nose, or worst of all – caught between eyes and specs. Then the lazy sods try to hitch a ride on your back. Smart people had netting curtains hung from their hats.

Apart from unwelcome insects, the walk in to the canyon was superb. Ghost gums writhing above shattered red rocks, many…many finches darting here and there and a pair of ringnecks chortling to each other. We didn’t do the rim walk because the Beloved gets vertigo – we could see the walkers silhouetted against the skyline. So the shorter canyon walk and down the road a bit to Kathleen Spring, a tranquil waterhole set deep in inhospitable red hills.

Quite a few Homo sapiens ssp. EcoBoomer doing the rounds in their campervans. Slightly grubby and dishevelled, faded bucket hats and backpacks, not a camera to be seen to catch the glories of nature. They never shut up, even in places where quiet will yield a glimpse of a shy bird or other creature. Or just the breeze in the trees. We also passed a day trip busload from Uluru. Again – remarkable for the chatter.

Speaking of photography, my good camera decided to play up too. I suspect a bit of dust in the focussing mechanism. Just as well I brought a backup lens and another, pocket size camera. Hopefully I can sort the problem out, it has a mechanical rather than electronic feel to it.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 2, 2022 3:13 pm

Rex Angersays:
May 2, 2022 at 2:57 pm
orders you to stay inside, give up your job

Nobody was blanket-ordered to give up their jobs, Struth.

You know, it’s almost like this was a perfect storm for someone who was natural born lazy to chuck their job in and sit on the couch, all the while cloaking themselves in a Freedom Fighter banner as protection against accusations of indolence.
I know a couple of people who were manning the anti-vax barricades but are now dragging their feet after the return to work impediments have been removed.

rosie
rosie
May 2, 2022 3:15 pm

One things for sure, you’re never ever really gone Mr Knee.
Still after oh look the emails are flying that’s pretty hilarious.
And yes I ‘bravely’ anticipated a worldwide return to normality and did what I wanted to do at the height of the omicron hysteria.
St Ruth then descended from modern Mt Sinai with his new commandment,
No-one can travel overseas until I say so.
And you’ve been spitting chips ever since.

Dot
Dot
May 2, 2022 3:16 pm

birds aren’t real

I get the scepticism, but blindly following anything, even scepticism can be dumb.

I can’t prove Operation Mockingbird is real, but does the continued assault on Project Veritas and free speech platforms, along with a literal truth Tsarista suggest that it is probably real?

MK Ultra was certainly real, evil, top secret and most of the records were destroyed.

You have to consider they have effectively gotten away with it, and almost covered it up successfully.

rosie
rosie
May 2, 2022 3:21 pm

Where do the flies come Calli?
I remember when I was a kid there being thousands of those pesky small black flies everywhere in summer.
Was discussing with mum the other day the topic
‘Where have all the flies gone’.
I opined getting rid of the old style rubbish bins had something to do with it.
She thought not.
Seems they all just moved to Central Australia.
Or you might be being attacked by miniature drones.

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 2, 2022 3:23 pm

Today I learned that Paddo RSL is pretty strict in enforcing the jab passport.
No double jab, no entry.

duncanm
duncanm
May 2, 2022 3:23 pm

Some fucking grifter* on 3AW the other day talking up how great it is to hear an Aussie accent when you board a plane to come home.

I’ll forgo not having an entitled Aussie serve me for a clean plane, service with a genuine smile and half edible food.

The leprechaun can go fuck himself.

Winston Smith
May 2, 2022 3:23 pm

Lotocoti:

Okey-dokey.
Cast tank turrets have a better war winning record
than fabricated plate turrets.

I’d suggest three categories:
.1 Cast iron,
.2 Cast iron with chemical face hardening or high pressure casting,
.3 Fabricated plate turrets.
I wonder if the Air Force Heavy Press Program is capable of high pressure castings of turrets in the same shape as the Soviet tank designs, i.e. dome shaped and ballistically superior to RHA flat sheets?

duncanm
duncanm
May 2, 2022 3:26 pm

I thought all armour had sacrificial shit on the outside these days to try to defeat shaped charges.

Its amazing what you find on youtube these days
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm7lO5s6-C0

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 2, 2022 3:27 pm

Some fucking grifter* on 3AW the other day talking up how great it is to hear an Aussie accent when you board a plane to come home.

I cringe whenever I hear an Australia accent when I am overseas.
Especially in service roles.

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 2, 2022 3:28 pm

The only time it’s good to hear an Aussie accent over seas is when you are ordering a coffee.

rosie
rosie
May 2, 2022 3:29 pm
Lysander
Lysander
May 2, 2022 3:29 pm

work out this logic from McClown:

1) You don’t need proof of vax to go to any places at all (except hostibles) so you can go pubs, clubs, restaurants etc… a good thing, surely!

2) All staff that work in all of these venues must be fully vax’d and provide proof to employer.

Lysander
Lysander
May 2, 2022 3:31 pm

I’ll forgo not having an entitled Aussie serve me for a clean plane, service with a genuine smile and half edible food.

I was surprised but best airline I ever flew on (2 years ago) was Turkish Air. Real glass, real plates, real knives and forks… and plenty of good grog.

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 2, 2022 3:33 pm

Trafalgar polls has JD Vance at 26.2% for the Ohio Senate race.
Next candidate is at 22%.

calli
calli
May 2, 2022 3:34 pm

Cattle properties – Kings Creek backs on to Curtin Springs. The immensity of the farms just blows my mind.

The flies like the pats, of course. So that could be one source of support for the vast populations. You want a bit of a breeze to blow them away.

I think there was talk of introducing dung beetles as a control.

rosie
rosie
May 2, 2022 3:35 pm

I’m thinking of flying Turkish Air to Israel.
Of course with the Pfizer thing it’s going to be better to go sooner than later.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 2, 2022 3:38 pm

Have you heard the latest viral conspiracy theory? Birds aren’t real, and the animals are actually drones sent from the government to spy on you.

They sound like Palis. Apparently all sorts of creatures are spies for Mossad.

Israel-related animal conspiracy theories (wiki)

1 Birds
1.1 Kestrel
1.2 Bee-eater
1.3 Vultures
1.4 Eagles
1.5 Griffon vultures
2 Fish
2.1 Sharks
3 Mammals
3.1 Dolphins
3.2 Pigs
3.3 Rats
4 Reptiles

In February 2018, Hassan Firouzabadi, a military advisor to Iranian supreme leader Ali Khamenei, accused Western countries, including Israel, of spying on Iranian nuclear sites using lizards and chameleons, which according to him attract “atomic waves.”[48] “We found out that their skin attracts atomic waves and that they were nuclear spies who wanted to find out where inside the Islamic Republic of Iran we have uranium mines and where we are engaged in atomic activities,” he said.[49]

They don’t seem to mind camels though, or goats.

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