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Some of the parents may have been armed – and it was a gun free zone.
In the midst of a crime it is more important than ever to obey rules to make sure we do not surrender to anarchy altogether.
Crap. My sarc tag did not appear.
How about:
/sarc
/sarc
Considering that the cops apparently weren’t doing too much and that random shots could still be heard coming from the school, the cops might have had to shoot me to keep me out.
The cops in charge at the scene will have to answer for their inaction.
Initial reports are that the lies are flowing freely.
Never rely on the police to save you, and in fact they are doing the opposite, but they are a reflection of the society they enforce.
With a weak and sick society the police will also become weak, sick and corrupt.
Lindt Cafe : those who don’t learn from the past, die.
Lindt has been on my mind too.
Remember, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away – plus and hour and 40 to do a ‘risk assessment’/-.
flyingduk says: May 28, 2022 at 8:07 pm
Unless you’re held hostage in the Lindt Cafe.
Then the police are a good Seventeen hours away.
Man Monis was an obvious spook.
Go to man on Muslim “issues” for ABC Radio, he’d been on TV too, greenlighted by the cops to do what he liked … in the Country illegally, no problem …c’mon
You’ve got it ass backwards.
The Cops are a corrupt institution from the get go, Crimes had to be invented to give them work, eventually everyone becomes a criminal, or, The Offender, as they like to say.
After police behaviour in Australia and pretty much everywhere else in the last two years nothing would surprise me. They and doctors are now totally untrustworthy. Right up there with the media and politicians.
So they’re like our cops then?
Don’t think we can look down on them. Questions is which is most efficient at collecting fines?
The cops in charge at the scene will have to answer for their inaction.
Don’t hold your breath. Consequences are soooo 20th century. The guy in charge will probably be promoted, maybe to policing pronouns – a much more important and responsible job than protecting children.
So a kid turns a school into a war zone and everyone wants to blame the police. In fact the very next day Trump told the NRA rally that what’s needed is teachers with guns. Why not just give the kids AR15s? Astonishing the corruption of US politics is such that military weapons are treated as a sacred right.
As discussed on a previous thread, any comment commencing with “So” it is likely everything following is either a fabrication or a verballing.
Correction of the above:
1. A kid turned a gun-free zone into a free-fire zone.
2. Indisputably teachers & other school staff, if armed, would deter shooters.
3. AR-15 is not a ‘military’ weapon.
4. Owning guns is actually a constitutional right.
No. Guns that are styled in such a way that it makes simpering ninnies have conniptions, because they look scary. Big difference.
Go to powerlines blog and read the blogs.
11.28 shooter shoots his grandmother, grandmother crawls out to street where neighbour calls police at 11.30.
11.32 shooter hurdles over school gate and gains access to the school building through the entrance door which was propped open due to teacher trying to get their mobile phone.
11.34 shooting starts murdering students in classroom. 11.37 police arrive and seal the area keeping the shooter in the classroom.
There is only one way in through the classroom door. Any attempt to enter or look at the classroom are shot at by the shooter.
The attack on the police is unjustified . The media are disgusting and every critic is a sekplfish attention seeker. Revolting.
Wait, he shot at the police? there was only one door? well clearly they were entitled to just give up then.
JD says “With a weak and sick society the police will also become weak, sick and corrupt.”
I’m sad to say they are already such.
Everyman for himself! Can I say that?
So let me get this straight:
-an unemployed mental case bus a $7000 rifle for cash
-crashes his truck outside the school.
-just outside where he crashes a woman unlocks a door to the school, which allows him entry.
-after firing outside for 12 minutes, the school which weekly practices active shooter scenarios and school lockdowns does nothing and leaves all the doors open to the classrooms.
-he comes into the school and locks the outside door behind him preventing anyone getting in.
-goes into a class with children and starts shooting them.
-police wait outside preventing any parents from entering.
-police don’t enter after 1 hour.
This whole thing stinks. It sounds like a wind up to incident.
– was allegedly in the same discord group as the Buffalo shooting, regularly talking to the same “former FBI agent”.
Yeah. It reeks.
If 17 armed police didn’t stop the shooter, how were two teachers going to stop the shooter?
The problem here is guns.
Israel protects its schools with guards and those teachers prepared to possess guns. Also, this whole school mass shooting thing is being blown way out of proportion. There have been 13 school mass shootings in the US since 1966. Hardly a cause running to panic stations. So SFTU fatboy. Come back to me with the long weekend shooting stats in Chicago.
https://reason.com/2022/05/26/uvalde-texas-mass-shooting-statistics-gun-crimes-misleading/
Frank: the AR15 is an assault rifle. By definition, it is designed to kill a lot of people quickly.
Salvatore: if – and its a big if – a copy of the Colt weapon used by military (in this case manufactured by DDM) is not a military weapon then its merely a convenient fig leaf. It is designed for military purposes. Unless of course you think a weapon designed to kill age numbers of people has some domestic purpose?
You don’t seriously think people want their kids taught by people carrying guns?
As for the US Constitutional argument, it seems likely their purpose was to ensure that a militia could be armed in defence of the republic. Not that a youth could buy a weapon with which to slaughter teachers and 9 year olds.
Seriously, what possible purpose is there in pretending that owning a gun is a sacred right? It is patently ridiculous and the evidence is in. In the US, the politicians holding up gun laws are all in the pay of the NRA, which has been successful in promoting the idea that everyone is Billy The Kid. Murderous fantasy.
The populace are wise not to be disarmed.
The same false flags and other programs have been implemented to disarm the populace in UK, NZ and Australia. They have been tried many times in the US (isn’t it strange that school shootings only started after Columbine and not in the 200 years before).
Once the population is disarmed they are sheep for evil power hungry people to treat how they want (see Davos) to “create a better world”.
Mao disarmed his people before the Long March and killed 10s of millions.
Stalin disarmed his people.
Disarming the populace is needed by elite as they fear the populace, and rightly so as evil fears Good as they want to hide in darkness to do their deeds, but eventually they must venture into the light. And if the populace is disarmed and they own all the weapons they can venture into the light and survive.
Anyone wanting to disarm the populace is either an ignorant fool or knowingly working for the enemy who is Satan.
Do you think the lockdowns would have worked here with an armed populace? Perhaps, but the police would not have been able to be brutal with people, it would be a kinder interaction as power balance is there.
Australia is a lesson in not giving up your guns.
The idea of the second amendment is that people will always be sufficiently armed so as to be able to defend themselves against the government…
Which means, if you take the wording at face value, that citizens of the United States should be able to legally purchase any kind of weapon or firearm.
This would include automatic weapons, RPG’s and grenades. (These are illegal for the general public under existing laws, overriding the 2nd amendment)
If the idea is to be able to defend yourself from government, then you should have access to the same weapons the government intends to use against you…
“The cops in charge at the scene will have to answer for their inaction.”
‘Twas a tough spot to be in – and some of the cops had kids in there too.
Hmm… go in?
You don’t know where the shooter is, but he knows where you are coming in – only one door.
No body armour, no lexan shields.
You are almost certain to be shot, probably fatally.
Does that give the shooter your gun, ammo and radio and make it worse?
Then there’s the recent history of charges against cops for doing what was previously considered their duty.
And they’ve gotta do this on the spot, in real time.
Hard. Very hard.
Still, that is the job… I certainly don’t envy them in that position!
Dredd: Mao followed Stalin’s strategies to the logical conclusion. Both were committed to the use of armed force and ideology. You might have heard the phrase “engineers of the human soul”, used first by Stalin at a writers’ conference headed by Maxime Gorky. Mao took that idea a step further.
Today’s dictators are heavy users of social media – Putin, Xi, Trump, etc – all seek to shape minds rather than impose themselves by force. Given the astonishing horrors faced by parents in America, you’d have to say that the swamp critters of the NRA and DDM etc are at least as dangerous as the demagogues.
“Astonishing the corruption of US politics is such that military weapons are treated as a sacred right.”
You should learn a bit about it before you speak.
An AR15 is NOT a military weapon, and not an “assault rifle”.
Yes, it is based on one, but the “assault rifle” can be in one of three “modes” – full auto, “burst” (typically three shots), and single shot (semi-auto). The civilian version is semi-auto ONLY.
An AR15 can be chambered in anything from 5.56 (.223) to 45 (or thereabouts).
For civilian sale and use, it is a simple long arm semi-auto.
Light, relatively cheap, and one of the most popular long arms in the US – there are literally millions of these in circulation in the US.
Oh, and such rifles account for well less than 5% of “mass shooting” events – most of those are done using hand guns.
The shooter actually did (as he would have to have done) pass the federally mandated background check, which was “clean” (or he wouldn’t have gotten the weapon).
Grow up – the guy was an insane sociopath. No, he shouldn’t have gotten a firearm, but he did. System failure, not firearm issue. Maybe even a social/cultural issue – several people knew what he was like, but no-one talked to the local Federal Fireams Licensed dealer and said “I’m worried about this kid” because if they had, he likely wouldn’t have gotten the weapon (even if purchased on-line, it needs to go via an FFL dealer for delivery, the background check is mandated, and most FFL’s won’t sell if they are concerned about the buyer, even if they pass the check).
m0ntysays: May 30, 2022 at 9:35 am
What a stupid comment.
Two teachers would stop the shooter by doing what the police did not;
Shoot him.
The problem here is an 18yo with a mindset to kill a couple of dozen ten year olds.
Remove guns & his weird neurological disorder would suddenly right itself? Seriously?
“The populace are wise not to be disarmed.”
Even Karl Marx agrees with that.
“If the idea is to be able to defend yourself from government, then you should have access to the same weapons the government intends to use against you…”
Indeed.
And Biden’s “You couldn’t own cannons” is a lie – the US Government hired merchant ships with cannon back in the day!
As Tim Pool points out, in theory the 2nd amendment should allow a citizen to own nuclear, chemical and biological weapons too. It says “…shall not be infringed” and there is no asterisk saying “except for…” anywhere. If you don’t like it, change the amendment (which they probably should for those cases, but they haven’t yet)
Trained Observer says: May 30, 2022 at 10:34 am
Choose one:
a) Kids are taught by people who have guns.
b) Kids are shot dead.
It is that simple.
” You don’t seriously think people want their kids taught by people carrying guns?”
You don’t seriously think people want armed cops running around the joint, do you?
You don’t seriously think people want to send their sons off to war, do you?
No, they don’t want any of that either, but they recognise the need for it, and so grudgingly accept it.
Trained Observer believes an AR-15 is ‘designed to kill large numbers of people’
I challenge that statement.
How is an AR-15 superior at killing large numbers of people than is my Winchester .30-06?
Kneel: I agree, the kid should not have been able to get that gun. As for the “need”, it only arises in the USA. There is no other nation where that argument is even suggested.
Salvatore: you think a teacher with a gun would have somehow done a job that 19 police with an extravagant amount of hardware would not do?
Plasma: Do you argue that anyone who wants to overthrow their government should be allowed – encouraged – by the rest of us to buy military hardware?
“How is an AR-15 superior at killing large numbers of people than is my Winchester .30-06?”
Or a 12 gauge pump-action for that matter?
“There is no other nation where that argument is even suggested. “
I suspect it may have been suggested in Israel at some point.
Wasn’t it Border Patrol officers who went in and killed the gunman?
Having armed security able to confront the bugger before he could ensconce himself would have been a good thing.
“Having armed security able to confront the bugger before he could ensconce himself would have been a good thing.”
And as tragic as it is, there needs to be some perspective here – the last such incident in Texas was more than 20 years ago, so it’s not like it happens every day.
Your rationale:
Cops did not go in, therefore teachers who are in the classroom would have just knelt to be shot.
Seriously?
Yes. The teacher could have shot him as he entered the classroom. The teacher would have the advantage as the shooter cannot cover all angles as he enters.
There is also the deterrent factor. A shooter is less likely to attack an armed school than a gun-free zone.
Trump a “dictator”?
LOL.
Shows where you’re coming from.
Folks: this teacher with a gun stuff is fantasy. It’s also ridiculous. No where in the world does anyone suggest this idea except in the USA. It’s only the US that politicians are so corrupt that gun manufacturers can enable the argument that the only solution to their guns – is more guns!
Why not give them to the kids as DDM has itself suggested in its TV and social media ads?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTkUr-jWQAIpv78?format=png&name=900×900
Gun nerds can, in the words of a noted poet, go and love themselves. I don’t want to hear your justifications as to why this or that gun is no better than another. Speak to me not of bump stocks. Your opinion means little.
AR-15s are the gun of choice for mass shootings. This is unassailable. They are the first that should be banned.
The assault weapon ban should be reinstated, and strengthened. One mass shooting is too many. None are acceptable. One every day is insane.
“the AR15 is an assault rifle. By definition, it is designed to kill a lot of people quickly”
The Colt 45 revolver was designed to kill a lot of people quickly, glorified in any number of Western movies. Haven’t you ever heard of Clint Eastwood?
“‘Twas a tough spot to be in”
I disagree. Blow the door wth a charge, follow up with a stun grenade, walk in and kill him. How hard is that? Yes, you may lose someone, but you wouldn’t have lost nineteen.
Damon: you are one tough guy. Will you be in movies soon?
Trained Observer
It seems like the only thing you’re trained in is leftists talking points.
John of Mel: TO seems to be making quite traditional conservative points from where I sit. Have you forgotten our own PM Howard on this issue? A model of conservative leadership.
John, he gave the game away when he called Trump a “dictator.”
Howard… you mean the one who did the huge expansion of the middle class welfare without linking it to the traditional conservative values? The one who took away our right for self-defence? That “conservative”?
Or did you forget the sarcasm tag?
“Will you be in movies soon?”
No. Clint Eastwood got my role.
What the fuck would you prefer, you moron. Sit around and watch kids die?
Get back to us about gun control in the USA after the gangs of Chicago & LA have been disarmed.
Until that happens, the anti-gun crazies are just performing self-love, two handed.
Howard was wrong to get rid of the guns, and Australians were wrong to hand them over.
People like Monty think the government is benign because he is a lefty retard and likes the government to do everything. He will harbor a desire to be in power and make the “world a better place” like other Marxists.
I’m just explaining the meaning of:
“A well armed militia, necessary for the security of a free state. The right for people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed “
Trained Observer. Could you please explain what it is about an AR15 that makes it functionally different from other rifles.
At almost any time three or four motivated troopers could have stormed the door and taken him out. Of course there would be casualties, but it would have saved the majority of the kids, and how can man die better?
Monty – the problem is not the guns, you had the suv mow down people at the Xmas pageant.
These people are pathetic, the murder the most defenceless at a time when these thoughts are furthest from their minds.
This is like the blm muderous riots, the people killed were African children with their mothers at the wrong place or time or the guy who shot a 5 yr old white boy in his front yard in sight of his mother. The reporter wrote it was an unproved attack – unbelievable.
Stop sticking up for the sicko and stop slamming the police.
I noticed people that do that when it comes to cruch decision shit theor racks.
Every law imposed to restrict guns appear to be aimed at law abiding citizens. How about this then: if you caught without a permit, you score many, many years in jail. You serve the full term and with no possibility of parole.
This school shooting gets more and more suspicious, and looks more and more like a false flag;
https://voxday.net/2022/05/30/brighter-than-a-thousand-suns/
Is there a queue here for the Kool-Aid? Now that John Howard is officially a Leftist I can only imagine what else you folk are willing to suck on.
We’re not getting a whole lot of explanation of how an AR-15 is ‘more lethal’ than a random other firearm.
Uvalde: AR-15
Uvalde: AR-15
Boulder: AR-15
Parkland: AR-15
Las Vegas: AR-15
Aurora, CO: AR-15
Sandy Hook: AR-15
Waffle House: AR-15
San Bernardino: AR-15
Midland/Odessa: AR-15
Poway synagogue: AR-15
Sutherland Springs: AR-15
Tree of Life Synagogue: AR-15
Thought so.
Disarm the negro.
Care to guess how many were killed via AR-15?
For the benefit of Hoplophobes, an AR-15 is a rifle
Statista.com
Murder victims in USA 2020
By weapon used
Pistols 8029
Firearm (unspecified) 4863
Unspecified other weapon 983
Hands, fists, or feet 662
Rifles 455
Blunt object 393
Shotguns 203
Other guns 113
Narcotics 113
Fire 106
Asphyxiation 71
Strangulation 58
I don’t think “but other guns are also deadly” is the winning pro-gun argument you think it is.
All guns can be deadly, dickhead.
The question, which seems to curiously not be answered, is what makes an AR-15 more deadly than others?
Monty discovers that the AR15 is a very popular rifle hence…
The relevant data point is US gun deaths versus all other nations:
The U.S. gun death rate was 10.6 per 100,000 people in 2016, the most recent year in the study, which used a somewhat different methodology from the CDC. That was far higher than in countries such as Canada (2.1 per 100,000) and Australia (1.0), as well as European nations such as France (2.7), Germany (0.9) and Spain (0.6).
How about Switzerland stats boy.
Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupiditysays:
May 28, 2022 at 10:02 pm
flyingduk says: May 28, 2022 at 8:07 pm
Remember, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away …
Unless you’re held hostage in the Lindt Cafe.
Then the police are a good Seventeen hours away.
In that case, the specialists – TAG East were only minutes flying time away but pride and maybe spite stopped them being asked to do the rescue.
Rubbish!
The police sat on their hands and did nothing but stopping others from trying to go in for over an hour.
The police failed dismally and disastrously.
https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/05/31/robb-elementary-and-the-cowardice-of-the-elites/
Since Uvalde there have been 18 instances of mass shootings in the US, one with 10 victims. Seems you need to take out a whole school to get media reporting.
And another just now in Tulsa
the idea we need a nanny state to manage every aspect of our lives, appeals to men-babies and woke wyminsis.
it’s just more wokeshit
Zipster: the idea of marketing automatic weapons like Mars bars is hardly sensible. Requiring that people keep deadly weapons, explosives, chemicals, poisons and radioactive materials under control is, you would think, a reflection of civilisation.
On the question of whether AR15 is a military weapon:
https://twitter.com/pauldeaton52/status/1532492803271544833?s=21&t=DK8nxRO4UeiGgvBfrrGRIg
Let’s not forget the Police’s fine work prior to Port Arthur, they did everything they could to avoid a confrontation with Bryant prior to his murders.
We also had a similar experience near where I grew up, one of the farmers steadily lost his marbles, which included shooting at neighbouring houses and vehicles when he was going off. The local cops did their very best to avoid doing anything about the situation.
Fortunately it never escalated.