Open Thread – Weekend 4 Jun 2022


Claude Monet, The Road in front of Saint-Simeon Farm in Winter, 1867

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Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 6, 2022 4:03 pm

At the current market cap and last year’s sales it’s trading on a roughly $48 billion/$2 billion = 24 price to sales multiple on the stock that hasn’t made a zack in 20 years. 

And that is Market Cap to Sales of $2 billion.
Their run rate losses look to me to be $500 million … on $2 billion sales. If (and this is a massive if) they could turn that around to a $500 million profit*, they would be trading at a P/E of 100. Historically markets have tended to revolve around P/Es of 15, but 20-25 is not out of the ordinary. Anything above that might be for start-ups with a bright future, but Atlassian is a dinosaur by tech industry standards, being twenty years old and listed for 8 years. Hard to see where the upside is coming from.
…..
* Reduce this to household budget levels. Your small business turns over $200,000, has expenses of $250,000, making a loss of $50,000.
Suddenly you have to reduce costs by $100,000 to $150,000 to make a $50,000 profit (without losing sales).
Anyone who has worked in business knows that task is yuuuuge.

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
June 6, 2022 4:03 pm

Hey

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
June 6, 2022 4:05 pm

Sad

TOMBALL, TexasThe Texas family members police believe were killed Thursday by an escaped inmate with alleged links to the Mexican mafia have been identified as three brothers from suburban Houston, along with a cousin and their grandfather.

Family friends on Friday confirmed that 66-year-old Mark Collins was killed alongside his three grandchildren at the family’s ranch as the group was preparing for a fishing trip. He was with his grandchildren: 11-year-old Bryson and his three cousins, 11-year-old Hudson, 16-year-old Carson, and 18-year-old Waylon.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 6, 2022 4:06 pm

Speedboxsays:

June 6, 2022 at 3:27 pm

Sancho Panzer says:
June 6, 2022 at 3:09 pm

For some of them Sancho, I suspect they enjoyed their ‘time in the sun’ a little too much. Being asked by Govt and the media for your opinion and being referred to as ‘an expert’ would be intoxicating for many.

Exhibit A – Normie Swan.

johanna
johanna
June 6, 2022 4:06 pm

Popped into the pharmacy today with a script, to be told it was out of stock until June 26 from the wholesaler. Fortunately, it’s not a life or death thing, but not having it will cause considerable discomfort. I’d previously tried another pharmacy with the same result.

The pharmacist said they have quite a few out of stocks like that. She was not disposed to discuss (or didn’t know about) the reasons.

I know that China is a major source of our pharmaceuticals, although the packs never have ‘Made in China’ on them. Might scare the punters.

Not saying we should be self-sufficient in pharmaceuticals – that would be silly in a country this size. But hopefully places like the US and Europe will provide some alternatives after the supply chain breakdowns that the world is experiencing.

I can live without the unavailable medication. But, there must be many people whose health would be seriously compromised if those gossamer threads that hold the international supply chain for medicines should snap.

rosie
rosie
June 6, 2022 4:10 pm

In mid sized rural nsw town, fair share of masks being worn, including by patrons of the public bar and some retailers still insist on hand sanitising.
I don’t have a problem with people wearing masks if they are at risk, mostly it’s disposable masks, which if they are changed regularly, are the sensible option.

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
June 6, 2022 4:13 pm

May have been posted

Dr Nick Coatsworth issues a brutal message to those demanding MORE Covid restrictions after revealing the rules that served ‘no useful purpose’

Former deputy chief health officer Dr Nick Coatsworth has taken a swipe at those continuing to demand more Covid rules – and says tough restrictions did more harm than good for many Aussies.

‘We locked down our society, stopped children attending school, closed playgrounds, fined the least fortunate, separated families, created mental illness, all in the name of protecting our most vulnerable, yet for some it will never be enough. When will the moralising stop?’ the infectious disease physician wrote.

Vicki
Vicki
June 6, 2022 4:15 pm

Annastacia Palaszczuk has announced a commission of inquiry into Queensland’s troubled forensic laboratory.

When will we get rid of the mantra “trust the Science”????

calli
calli
June 6, 2022 4:19 pm

I wondered when Coatsworth would pop his head over the parapet after the ghastly “don’t listen to this person” Phelps squawked on TV last night.

Good for him. In spite of his Hugh Grant hair. 🙂

Vicki
Vicki
June 6, 2022 4:19 pm

But hopefully places like the US and Europe will provide some alternatives after the supply chain breakdowns that the world is experiencing.

I don’t think we’ve seen anything yet. Without claiming to be a “prepper” – I do think we should be stocking up on essential medications, if possible. Many other things e.g. veggies, canned food etc are fairly easy to maintain – but medications are on a different level.

Dot
Dot
June 6, 2022 4:21 pm

m0ntysays:
June 6, 2022 at 3:07 pm
All that matters really is scale

I can see why you never made it in economics, Dot.

You imbecile, I used to work for a national firm and I worked for myself.

Let us remind you again:

1. You failed first year economics. Even as a lefty, spewing Keynesian economics trash, you couldn’t pass. Instead you did a dumb dumb “urinalism” course.

2. I referred to empirical data. Look it up, you pathetic clown.

chrisl
chrisl
June 6, 2022 4:27 pm

I was talking to my Nigerian doctor today
She was very distressed about the church shootings and had lots of videos on her phone. The gunmen entered the church ,locked the door and killed everyone, except the minister who saw them coming and got away.
She said it was to do with stirring up trouble in the pre election period , because the more trouble there is, the more likely a change of government.
She was most upset by the fact that the perpetrators would never get caught. She couldn’t believe what was happening to her former country and said that black people are cursed

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 6, 2022 4:28 pm

Dr F

5) Add in the fuel/waste/NPT complexities (note: in a sensible world, Australia should already own the nuclear fuel cycle and be making a fortune).

This was one of the objectives of R.F.X Connor, a minister in the government of Saint Goff Whitless.

One of their few objectives to have any sense behind it.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 6, 2022 4:31 pm

Sancho

Exhibit A – Normie Swan.

Norman is very far from being a “Normie”. More like Abnormie Swan.

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
June 6, 2022 4:32 pm

Former AGL chief executive Brett Redman says federal Labor’s ambitious clean-energy target and the rise of the Greens and climate-focused independents are clear signals that the nation must prepare for an earlier shift from fossil fuels to renewable power.

Redman, who left AGL last year and is now leading New South Wales’ high-voltage transmission network operator TransGrid, said the federal election result was the latest “example of how the transition is accelerating”.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 6, 2022 4:34 pm

johanna

I can live without the unavailable medication. But, there must be many people whose health would be seriously compromised if those gossamer threads that hold the international supply chain for medicines should snap.

Late-ish 2020, I had a similar experience. Fortunately, my GP identified and prescribed an alternative, which happened to work better! Serendipity.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 6, 2022 4:53 pm

We locked down our society, stopped children attending school, closed playgrounds, fined the least fortunate, separated families, created mental illness, all in the name of protecting our most vulnerable, yet for some it will never be enough. When will the moralising stop?

Ladies and Gentlemen, may I present the next Governor-General.

Muz
Muz
June 6, 2022 4:56 pm

Johanna 4.06pm and Vicki 4.19pm, yes medicines are on a different level now. I don’t use pain meds unless I’m flat out, though I’ve started to build a supply. Even just Panadol Osteo, over the counter, you now have to provide ID, and I had to go to three pharmacies before they had stock. My GP has been replaced by someone younger and noticeably, rather chillingly, distant – no eye contact; at least she waited for me to finish my sentence before recommending lifetime infusions of vit. C and D (“to prevent osteoporosis”, a nice little earner for the pharma corporations). Apparently this fad for “infusions” began just before 2020. All I wanted was a modest supply of pain meds. They’re raking it in.

Luzu
June 6, 2022 4:58 pm

For those concerned about the effects of sulphur dioxide in wine, there are wine drops available (dilute hydrogen peroxide) that bind the preservative and form dilute sulphuric acid.

Just don’t, for the love of God, store your wine drops next to your eye drops in the refrigerator and get them confused at 0300 in the morning.

Stings like a mother***ker.

Trust me.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 6, 2022 4:59 pm

Late-ish 2020, I had a similar experience. Fortunately, my GP identified and prescribed an alternative, which happened to work better! Serendipity.

And you can’t stockpile and manage it yourself. One month at a time. No getting ahead of yourself.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 6, 2022 5:00 pm

Dover, Alex Berenson has sent out a substack on Aussie death rates.
I think you’re on his list.

Cassie of Sydney
June 6, 2022 5:03 pm

“‘We locked down our society, stopped children attending school, closed playgrounds, fined the least fortunate, separated families, created mental illness, all in the name of protecting our most vulnerable, yet for some it will never be enough. When will the moralising stop?’ the infectious disease physician wrote.

Nick Coatsworth should be AOTY….but he wouldn’t get the gong as he clearly espouses the wrong politics.

Roger
Roger
June 6, 2022 5:09 pm

Redman, who left AGL last year and is now leading New South Wales’ high-voltage transmission network operator TransGrid, said the federal election result was the latest “example of how the transition is accelerating”.

Do these people rise to such heights in the corporate world because of, or inspite of, their stupidity?

Winston Smith
June 6, 2022 5:10 pm

Calli:

Winston, if I have done or said anything to upset or hurt you, I am truly sorry. I don’t know what prompted your comment.

Calli, my deepest apologies – my rant wasn’t addressed to you – just a general drunk blog rant to the world.
Family bad news – sister is unwell.
Burnt the middle and index finger pads – both hands picking up a wire tray I’d just removed from the oven and forgetting I’d done so. Add 60mg codeine + 1 bottle of red wine that was nearly out of date.

Sorry.

Frank
Frank
June 6, 2022 5:15 pm

And you can’t stockpile and manage it yourself.

You can if you are willing to be firm and put up with some spurious crap from the pharmacist. I don’t get why it takes them half an hour to look at your script and then walk to the shelf and pull out the correct box before putting the printed sticker on it. Seems like a job for a robot.

bespoke
bespoke
June 6, 2022 5:15 pm

Wouldn’t happen if drunk Woodstock cans, Winston.

johanna
johanna
June 6, 2022 5:16 pm

The leader of the Tassie Greens has a crush* on Johnny Depp, and she has been made to suffer accordingly:

Tasmanian Greens leader Cassy O’Connor has apologised for “the hurt and confusion” caused by comments she made in support of actor Johnny Depp.
Key points:

Tasmanian Greens leader Cassy O’Connor tweeted her support of Mr Depp and was disparaging of Ms Heard
She also raised the trial in parliament last week when she interjected that a Labor MP was “a total fake”, and likened her to Ms Heard
The head of a sexual assault support service says the comments could make it harder for victim-survivors to come forward

Ms O’Connor said she had “watched too much” of the defamation trial involving Depp and his ex-wife Amber Heard.

“I want to acknowledge, and genuinely apologise for, the hurt and confusion I have caused by allowing myself to be drawn into debate on the evidence of the Depp Heard trial,” she posted on social media.

“The trial itself has been triggering for victim-survivors everywhere, including me.”

and

Experts have warned the public nature of the case and the intensity of the public discourse surrounding it could have a chilling effect on survivors of domestic abuse.

Ms O’Connor used her Twitter account to show support for Mr Depp and criticised Ms Heard and her evidence at the trial.

She also raised the trial in state parliament last week, interjecting during a debate to criticise Labor MP Michelle O’Byrne, whom Ms O’Connor said was “about as good at that lectern as Amber Heard is in the Johnny Depp trial, a total fake”.

But, she’s the leader of the Greens, and retribution and remorse was swift:

In her apology posted on Twitter, Ms O’Connor also said:

“I acknowledge the trial & verdict have been weaponised by those who hate women, abusers, & hard right elements. To have a world that is safer for women and children, & all vulnerable people, we have to maintain the just rage against those forces, as I have throughout my life.

“To victim-survivors, and those who represent them, as well as Greens supporters, I am sorry not to have bitten my tongue in this instance. I had watched too much of the trial. I hope my record of advocacy and law reform over the past 14 years will, ultimately, speak for itself.”

Do these people have no self respect? The Maoist struggle sessions and self-criticism are simply cringeworthy.

Mind you, she does seem to have been more interested in following livestreams of the trial than doing her job, whatever it is.

Could be that the leader of the Tasmanian Greens is not what you’d call a deep thinker. 🙂

Roger
Roger
June 6, 2022 5:16 pm

Nick Coatsworth should be AOTY…

I was about to suggest he should go into politics.

What was I thinking?

He’s clearly a man of integrity.

m0nty
m0nty
June 6, 2022 5:21 pm

I used to work for a national firm

Oh boy wowee, a NATIONAL firm you say? Blow me down, say no more.

I referred to empirical data.

What you said was “[a]ll that matters really is scale, except for renewables which don’t work”. Everything in that sentence is false, and based on nothing except your delusions.

Winston Smith
June 6, 2022 5:22 pm

Knuckle Dragger:
Yes. I’m ashamed at my rant last night.
My apologies.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 6, 2022 5:23 pm

Winston, attach the shame.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 6, 2022 5:24 pm

Whoops.
Winston, attach the rock of shame.

bespoke
bespoke
June 6, 2022 5:27 pm

Never go full St ruth.

Frank
Frank
June 6, 2022 5:31 pm

The Z man mirrors some ideas that have been percolating through the brain for a while now.

Wholly Macaroni

The emergence of a ridiculous class in an empire is the proverbial bell that rings at the top of a cycle. When elements of the elite begin making war on the rules that make the elite possible, it is only a matter of time before everyone does the same. This is what we are seeing in the Global American Empire. It is now ruled by ridiculous people who care more about mocking the lower classes than doing their duty.

In the Australian context it seems like the prime objective is an exercise in differentiating oneself from the bogans, any particular issue being just a pretext to do so.

His conclusion is somewhat hopeful, wish I could share in the optimism.

It is just a matter of time before they follow similar phenomena to the dustbin of history.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 6, 2022 5:31 pm

bespokesays:

June 6, 2022 at 5:15 pm

Wouldn’t happen if drunk Woodstock cans, Winston

Yeah.
Hard to post a rant when you are face down surrounded by vomit.
🙂

calli
calli
June 6, 2022 5:34 pm

My dear Winston…one of those days!

My cure is usually and attack on onion weed and nut grass. Can’t do that by moonlight unfortunately.

Had an interesting conversation with my brother today on the plight of aborigines in the Kimberley where he spent a few years at a mission. He looked after little fellows who were dropped off full of parasites and hunger, cleaned them up and taught them, only to have to relinquish them to perilous family when they came demanding them back. He echoed your frustrations.

I don’t have the answer, and neither did the mission – not to the mechanics of protecting the children, because they were hamstrung by all the black armband angst. Deliberately, of course, to keep the dollars rolling in to the abusers, and the prey available for exploitation.

Frank
Frank
June 6, 2022 5:34 pm

Could be that the leader of the Tasmanian Greens is not what you’d call a deep thinker. ?

She got some Liberal staffer in trouble when he was overheard referring to her as a “meth-head c*nt”. The full grovelling apology was extracted and so on.

We never realised she was a meth-head too.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
June 6, 2022 5:37 pm

m0ntysays:
June 6, 2022 at 5:21 pm

Is it true that you failed first year economics?
That’s amazing.
How did you get into a course in a supposedly serious discipline?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 6, 2022 5:40 pm

How many engineering feasibility studies have you done in your life M0nty? Real ones that is, not on a calculator in 5 minutes.

Renewables are worse than nuclear because you have to include the storage into the renewable process economics. And the grid transmission capital costs from widely distributed sources. The analogous cost items for nuclear are nil and not much respectively.

Renewables also need frequency control support, which both adds capital and operating costs and increases efficiency losses.

I have no problem with rooftop solar PV provided it is off grid, so the hidden costs become transparent. These days the likely cost of solar PV for a neutral NPV would probably exceed $1/kWh. (Recall I did a guest post using ultra-simple NPV analysis for this on the old Cat back in 2014 or so. A classical PFS spreadsheet is much much bigger, with serious inputs analysis.)

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
June 6, 2022 5:41 pm

Add 60mg codeine + 1 bottle of red wine that was nearly out of date.

Old red wine + rage: a trap for young players. Whenever it happens to me, and I wake up mid-afternoon cuddling the empty rosé cask, I always blame the sulphite.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 6, 2022 5:42 pm

Had an interesting conversation with my brother today on the plight of aborigines in the Kimberley where he spent a few years at a mission.

My family worked on, and managed cattle stations in the North West, and the Kimberly’s from 1860 until 1970. The other situation they described was that of the stockmen, who discovered the old people, left behind to die, when the tribe moved on.

cohenite
June 6, 2022 5:42 pm

Cronkite

am I correct in assuming the reason Attlasian doesn’t make a profit are the drawings cannon-brookes and his partner make each year to fund their hobbies of ruining Australia’s energy system.

No, the losses being made by Atlassian are actually losses as a result of the company being unable make a profit in its business lines….. for 20 fucking years!

Thanks for replying HP. I note sanchez said kunt-bastard and his brat partner could have made their money from initial sales at the IOP. Maybe they did as their combined holdings are now about 45% of the total stock so 55% is held by other dickheads. I mean they could not do that now because in a tightly held stock any sales, especially by the partners, would fuck the stock. The only other way for the pair of hirsute grifters to make money would be drawings every year which may have explained the regular loss; or to borrow against their portfolio which would have the same effect. Do they make any drawings hidden under wages or dividends or loan repayments?

Perth Trader
Perth Trader
June 6, 2022 5:42 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alphasays:
June 6, 2022 at 12:55 pm
Labor ‘committed’ to live sheep export phase-out. Watt is a fool. If the Govt went to Qantas and said, ok fella’s ya can only fill ya planes to 70% of loading and only fly for 34 weeks a year guess what would happen? If said govt then said , ‘see passenger numbers are down, lets ban flying’, its the same outcome. WE ARE GOVERNED BY FOOLS. Buyers want the live animals and politics are ruling ‘nah, ya can only have frozen’. The buyers have been warned that there’ll be no live product in 4 years. So…everyone involved will go off shore. Ya cant make a buyer , buy a product they dont want.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
June 6, 2022 5:43 pm

Don’t worry Winston.
There’s not enough anger at the cruelties and incompetence of our governments and agencies who facilitate misery and depravity with the same cowardice as a stranger who walks past a crime without helping for fear of repercussion.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 6, 2022 5:44 pm

You can if you are willing to be firm and put up with some spurious crap from the pharmacist.

True.
In fact I got a couple of months ahead because I left a fresh box behind when I was visiting the Big Smoke, and did it again a week later.

I don’t get why it takes them half an hour to look at your script and then walk to the shelf and pull out the correct box before putting the printed sticker on it. Seems like a job for a robot.

Exactly.
I reckon 80% of prescribed medications would fit in a confectionary vending machine.
Statins, blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, blood thinners, HRT, contraceptive pills x four or five different dosage levels for each.
Swipe your medicare card (yeah, I know it would need a chip) select your medication, pay by card and it drops in the tray.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 6, 2022 5:50 pm

check your email DB.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 6, 2022 5:50 pm

Thanks for replying HP. I note sanchez said kunt-bastard and his brat partner could have made their money from initial sales at the IOP. Maybe they did as their combined holdings are now about 45% of the total stock so 55% is held by other dickheads. 

Not my exact words but I’ll go with it. 🙂
Actually the two dweebs own 45% (ish) each. Some Brit insto owns another 5%, with the remaining 5% owned by the “public”.
As JC says, it is really hard to get your hands on the stock, so the price is being punted by tight liquidity, not fundamentals.

Leon L.
Leon L.
June 6, 2022 5:52 pm

Berenson’s substack here.
Overall deaths in Australia – where nearly everyone is vaccinated – are spiking

Plus Joel Smally here:
Australia begins to reap what it has sown. It’s grim.

Same story everywhere more or less.
Sweden possibly an exception.

Perth Trader
Perth Trader
June 6, 2022 5:52 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha..I forgot to add into that..’ if Qantas was also responsible for the tracking and outcome of every passenger on there flights’ Qantas would say ,..’nah . Its all to hard’.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 6, 2022 5:55 pm

My calcs were based on the shares on issue (250 million) and an IPO price of USD 21.00 per share in 2014.
I assume they were the only two pre-IPO owners, so they’ve pocketed 250,000,000 x 10% x 21.00.
USD 525,000,000.
Probably 250 meg each after IPO fees.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 6, 2022 5:56 pm

contraceptive pills

Way way back when Tony Abbott was Health Minister, he approved the repeats from 5 to 10 for these.
Do you still need to go to a doctor for this?

cohenite
June 6, 2022 5:58 pm

Actually the two dweebs own 45% (ish) each.

OK. So this isn’t a business but a giant wank by 2 fucktards who can code. FMD.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 6, 2022 5:58 pm

I assume they were the only two pre-IPO owners

Nope, there were a stack of vc’s on board by then.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 6, 2022 5:59 pm

2021 was a big year for the boys.
They both sold $US500mill worth each.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 6, 2022 6:07 pm

m0nty-fa

What you said was “[a]ll that matters really is scale, except for renewables which don’t work”. Everything in that sentence is false, and based on nothing except your delusions.

Show us the way m0nty-fa. Solar panels on the roof, EV in the garage, and a battery round the back. Then cut your house off from the grid, and demonstrate that renewables work. Report back in six months, if you can charge your laptop.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
June 6, 2022 6:08 pm

feelthebernsays:
June 6, 2022 at 5:56 pm
contraceptive pills

Way way back when Tony Abbott was Health Minister, he approved the repeats from 5 to 10 for these.
Do you still need to go to a doctor for thi

I’ve been taking the pill for years and I can tell you it works, I haven’t had a baby yet, but my wife has.

MatrixTransform
June 6, 2022 6:11 pm

+ 1 bottle of red wine that was nearly out of date.

understood yr rant Winston
pretty shitty with everything and that as well

…anyways, I drank a 2016 the other day and it was fine

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 6, 2022 6:13 pm

m0nty-fa

you couldn’t just assume things that weren’t true in the real world and expect to produce useful models.

And yet you support the ruinables touts, who do exactly that. Cognitive dissonance much?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 6, 2022 6:13 pm

‘bern.
Ah, OK.
It looks like they sold some to VCs in 2010. It appears the IPO was the issue of new shares, not previous owners tipping shares into the IPO.
The two dweebs own about 50% each of the Class B non-trading shares and chunks of the tradable shares.
But the effect is the same.
The valuation of a massive tail of shareholding is based on very thin trading of a highly illiquid stock.

cohenite
June 6, 2022 6:14 pm

MSM feting rub and tug’s visit to Indonesia and being able to ride a fucking bike. I remember when Abbott went to Indonesia just after being elected the fucking abc released details of ASIO bugging of the Indonesian embassy which they had been sitting on through the krudd/slapper musical chairs the previous 18 months.

I think a member of the media every week should be ceremonially executed.

Perth Trader
Perth Trader
June 6, 2022 6:21 pm

cohenite…..but , but , but , the bikes made of bamboo. And its a gift from Joko.

MatrixTransform
June 6, 2022 6:25 pm

I failed half my subjects there, had a bit of a nervous breakdown and ended up being lucky enough to transfer to RMIT Journalism

j’ismist … lol, no wonder yr such an expert.

you should ratchet up yr qualifications and become a school teacher

nobody will be able to question you

Top Ender
Top Ender
June 6, 2022 6:25 pm

In his first statement on assuming office, our new Prime Minister Anthony Albanese committed his government to implementing in full the Uluru Statement from the Heart that proposes changing the Australian Constitution to give specific recognition to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people.

This is a view that Quadrant has opposed for more than twenty years. We believe that rather than unifying Australia’s population, such a measure would deeply divide us. It would be a disaster for both black and white Australians. Moreover, we believe that the full agenda behind the proposal has never been put to the Australian people. Its revival, and Albanese’s pledge to put it to a referendum in his current term of office, means it has become once more a critical political issue that deserves an immediate but thorough response.

The article that follows is Part One of a multi-part response that will be published weekly for the next two months on Quadrant Online.

Link

Cassie of Sydney
June 6, 2022 6:25 pm

“Winston Smithsays:
June 6, 2022 at 5:22 pm
Knuckle Dragger:
Yes. I’m ashamed at my rant last night.
My apologies.”

Nothing to apologise for. We all have our moments. Besides, I understood your sentiment. Stay strong.

Delta A
Delta A
June 6, 2022 6:25 pm

You’re a good guy, Winnie.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 6, 2022 6:32 pm

The article that follows is Part One of a multi-part response that will be published weekly for the next two months on Quadrant Online.

Makes interesting reading, Top Ender, thank you.

sfw
sfw
June 6, 2022 6:35 pm

Coatsworth is right but he’s still a vaccine advocate, he reckons the vaxxes saved us. Read the article.

Perth Trader
Perth Trader
June 6, 2022 6:36 pm

Albo’s a lazy phuk….last time I was at the Bogor Palace I had to walk, and the security would’nt let me in till I tucked my shirt into my trousers. Great gardens tho….best and nice’st gardens I’ve ever been to.

bespoke
bespoke
June 6, 2022 6:52 pm

We all have our moments

Not me.

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
June 6, 2022 6:53 pm

Rumour just landed at Casa Pedro of a rather healthy looking prospect of Lithium at Venus Metal’s Youanmi site in WA’s Murchison region. Nothing official from the company, their share price actually down 2% or so today.

I am in two minds about Lithium. The money men are happy with the rising per tonne prices, but miners are sceptical of processing costs and the longer term future of current EV fad.

Two bob each way.

Cassie of Sydney
June 6, 2022 6:56 pm

Just like with SSM we’re going to be badgered re. the “voice to parliament” by elites, by corporations, by the MSM. Remember that if you didn’t agree with SSM, you were smeared as hateful and bigoted, if you don’t agree with a “voice to parliament”, you will be smeared as hateful and racist. If you want to know where this “voice” will end, read the piece in the Oz today “NZ co-governance is a recipe for privilege by an inherited tribal elite“. It’s not a pretty picture. Coming to Oz soon. We’re about to be disenfranchised.

Delta A
Delta A
June 6, 2022 6:58 pm

Delta Asays:
June 6, 2022 at 6:25 pm
You’re a good guy, Winnie.

Just to expand: Winnie posted a passionate and justifiable account of his rage at the injustices we have all experienced over the past years. I reckon 99.9% of Cats agree with him. Unfortunately, ‘poison iceblocks’ late at night skewed his excellent rant, but the the gracious Kitteh in question has absolved him after his genuine and heartfelt apology.

And that’s why I think Winnie is a good guy.

(As is the gracious Kitteh aforementioned.)

Woolfe
Woolfe
June 6, 2022 6:59 pm

In London, no sign of covid, very few masked, no masks required on BA or at Heathrow. It’s over, some even appear to realise they have been lied to.

Oh, tubes on strike today and London finally has Uber.

Old bloke
Old bloke
June 6, 2022 7:05 pm

m0nty says:
June 6, 2022 at 12:46 pm

Plenty of lefties would be in favour of nukes if they made business sense. Which they most certainly do not

You’re partly right Monster, coal is the cheapest power source. If Lefties are in favour of the best economical power source they would be campaigning for more coal fired power stations.

That’s “business sense” isn’t it?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 6, 2022 7:08 pm

It’s not a pretty picture. Coming to Oz soon. We’re about to be disenfranchised.

I’m waiting for the “Treaty.” It will keep the High Court tied up for forty years, result in a legal dogfight of monumental proportions and show up the whole process for the farce that it is.

Do the States have the right to enter into a treaty? Isn’t that role reserved for the Commonwealth?
Just to begin with.

Armadillo
Armadillo
June 6, 2022 7:11 pm

“My apologies”

Pussy. Always escalate.

Armadillo
Armadillo
June 6, 2022 7:14 pm

rosie says:
June 6, 2022 at 4:10 pm
In mid sized rural nsw town, fair share of masks being worn, including by patrons of the public bar and some retailers still insist on hand sanitising.

Name the town. I seriously haven’t seen this occurrence in any NSW town west of the great divide.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 6, 2022 7:17 pm

Cassie of Sydneysays:

June 6, 2022 at 6:56 pm

Just like with SSM we’re going to be badgered re. the “voice to parliament” by elites, by corporations, by the MSM. Remember that if you didn’t agree with SSM, you were smeared as hateful and bigoted, if you don’t agree with a “voice to parliament”, you will be smeared as hateful and racist.

The SSM plebiscite was always going to be fixed, and I suspect anything like a 50:50 finish was going to get waved through anyway.
A referendum will be different. Under normal circumstances the majority of voters in a majority of states would fail.
How will they pressure voters in a secret ballot?
My money will be on some sort of soshul meeja campaign, like “Show The Vote”.
That is, anyone who doesn’t take a selfie with their “Yes” ballot paper will be branded immediately.

Frank
Frank
June 6, 2022 7:20 pm

Just like with SSM we’re going to be badgered re. the “voice to parliament” by elites, by corporations, by the MSM.

That great convulsing fatberg of marketing, media a communication types, lawyers, journalists, politicians, academics and other assorted experts and hangers on. And Monty. Look forward to it gleefully spasming its way down the pipes to consume everyone in its wake. It. is almost as if we all know how it works by now.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 6, 2022 7:22 pm

The very thing they “got out in front of” and denied is the tell.
“Oh, there will be safeguards to make sure The Voice doesn’t lead to judicial activism.”
Sure.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 6, 2022 7:23 pm

Do the States have the right to enter into a treaty? Isn’t that role reserved for the Commonwealth?
Just to begin with.

If Aboriginal people enter into a Treaty, with the States or Commonwealth, does that mean they recognise the legitimacy of colonalisation, after all?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 6, 2022 7:27 pm

Could the solar panels recharge the EV in the garage?

Interesting paradox. If you have solar panels and an EV then you can charge the EV but only during the day.

Which means you can’t drive the EV to work. So you have to take public transport or bicycle or something, whereupon why would you have an EV in the first place?

Of course you could work permanent night shift, but progs don’t seem to like doing that.

P
P
June 6, 2022 7:28 pm

Family bad news – sister is unwell.

Winston, old nurses are tough. I think you said she trained at Manly in the day when training was 4yrs hard labour.
I will pray for her.

Frank
Frank
June 6, 2022 7:28 pm

Props to Winston for crawling out from under a hangover to make amends. I hate it when that happens.

2dogs
2dogs
June 6, 2022 7:31 pm

I found more evidence of what I predict Putin’s strategy is. When the time comes, these people will vote to be Russian.

Armadillo
Armadillo
June 6, 2022 7:38 pm

Since 1901, 19 referendums have proposed 44 changes to the Constitution, only eight changes have been agreed to.

A referendum is only passed if it is approved by a majority of voters in a majority of states, and by a majority of voters across the nation. This is known as a double majority. Territory voters are only counted in the national majority.

I cant see it happening. The Republicans have been pushing shit up hill for years trying to get rid of the Queen. I seriously doubt Australians are going to hand over power to some tribal leader named “Aunty Edith” from Wadeye.

Roger
Roger
June 6, 2022 7:38 pm

If Aboriginal people enter into a Treaty, with the States or Commonwealth, does that mean they recognise the legitimacy of colonalisation, after all?

200+ years of acceptance of British settlement and its benefits suggests they’ve already done so.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 6, 2022 7:38 pm

You ask what I have done to protect my grandchildren. Probably the only practical thing that any grandparent can do – raise caring, intelligent, resilient and resourceful children of their own to be their parents.

Yes. Admirable, but not always possible.

I have three sons, a daughter and six grandchildren. My two sons, the children from my first marriage, have had significant problems in life, which I have spent much time and effort helping them overcome, also coping with my sadness over this. One of these two sons has no children by his own choice, the other has two children by two different women. As a grandmother I have had to step often into a breach of care, and assist with this son’s parenting; it has been an uphill battle for him, but with support he has done well. My two other children, from a more stable marriage, are both excellent parents.

Life doesn’t always throw you the bouquet that you might wish for. All you can do then is do your best.

In the modern world with its pressures and stresses many grandparents have had to step up to the mark and care for grandchildren as they would their own children. That is the real strength of families. Kinship networks play a vital part in social life and always have done so. Maintaining these has never been more important, in answer to Winston’s question. Never give up has been my motto.
I have known a lot of grief, and it has never been easy. Nor am I anyone special, or unusual. So many women, and men too, whom I have encountered have been in similar situations, worse than mine by far due to financial duress and/or poor health, and struggle on as true stalwarts.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 6, 2022 7:40 pm

Page 8 of The Australian:
I backed Constitution change: Abbott
Further down:

“To be honest, I don’t think the public has a clue what Anthony Albanese and Linda Burney is talking about at the moment.”

Peter Dutton nailed it.
Meanwhile, Abbott pushes the “10 Aboriginals in Parliament, why do we need it?” line.
I’d say Dutton needs to repudiate Abbott before he wrecks the Liberal Party.

Cassie of Sydney
June 6, 2022 7:42 pm

“Meanwhile, Abbott pushes the “10 Aboriginals in Parliament, why do we need it?” line.
I’d say Dutton needs to repudiate Abbott before he wrecks the Liberal Party.

That’s defamatory. Abbott does not such thing. You’re a disgrace. Just fuck off.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 6, 2022 7:45 pm

If Aboriginal people enter into a Treaty, with the States or Commonwealth, does that mean they recognise the legitimacy of colonalisation, after all?

No, it means the States recognise that the invasion wasn’t legit.
And that the Public are about to be fleeced to pay for it.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 6, 2022 7:46 pm

Looks like Tony Abbott is on the right track then.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
June 6, 2022 7:52 pm

I just saw an ad where Sky and the Australian are hosting a lunch with Treasurer Jim Chalmers giving a talk on Australia’s Economic Outlook — makes me wonder, does monkey pox symptoms include simian features?

Frank
Frank
June 6, 2022 7:54 pm

If the referendum does go through then the obvious solution on an individual level is to start ticking the Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islander box from then on. Let others haggle over questions of racial purity and how to operationalise it in law.

Indolent
Indolent
June 6, 2022 7:56 pm

Gonzalo Lira.

2022.06.06 Epistemic Viciousness

This basically explains the state of our society today.

Frank
Frank
June 6, 2022 7:58 pm

Treasurer Jim Chalmers … simian features

The one that gets to me is Andrew Leigh, he looks like every hissing queen I’ve ever run into.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 6, 2022 8:02 pm

George Christensen is likely to be a Spoiler out to discredit Vaccine scepticism.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 6, 2022 8:04 pm

Google directed to pay John Barilaro $715k in damages for FriendlyJordies shit they refused to take down.

rosie
rosie
June 6, 2022 8:11 pm

“Name the town. I seriously haven’t seen this occurrence in any NSW town west of the great divide.”
No, I don’t wish to, as I value my anonymity.
Nor is it the first NSW town I’ve seen masks in since leaving Victorian. I noted the public bar wearer in particular because I thought it odd.
Still lots of covid related signage too.

Incidentally, I couldn’t care less whether you believe me or not.

Indolent
Indolent
June 6, 2022 8:13 pm

Catherine Austin Fitts

500 Million jobs will be lost

Just over a minute long and pretty persuasive. All of this is being done to us deliberately.

rosie
rosie
June 6, 2022 8:15 pm

And fair share is merely in proportion to how many I see in Melbourne.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 6, 2022 8:15 pm

Incidentally, I couldn’t care less whether you believe me or not.

Just as well, then.
By the way, what were you doing in a Public Bar?

MatrixTransform
June 6, 2022 8:18 pm

No, I don’t wish to, as I value my anonymity.

you must be like David Carradine the peace loving shaolin in that tv show Kung Flu

can you play the flute ?

cohenite
June 6, 2022 8:22 pm

Look at this shit: 2 pooftas pretending to be sheilas celebrate winning a women’s cycling event by having a pash while the real winner, who came third gives her baby a cuddle

Armadillo
Armadillo
June 6, 2022 8:24 pm

And fair share is merely in proportion to how many I see in Melbourne.

Seriously, I’ve seen zero people in people NSW country towns wearing masks in bars or shop keepers insisting on people using hand sanitiser.

No idea what the go is in Melbourne, so I can’t comment.

I’m just telling you what I see with my own lying eyes.

Indolent
Indolent
June 6, 2022 8:26 pm

Gonzalo Lira.

2022.06.05 What Happens To Europe When Russia Wins

Very clear, very logical and sensible. The one thing I think he might perhaps have overlooked is intent (on the Western side).

The West seems to have taken on the mantle of the old Soviet Union with gusto. Remember those old westerns with good guys and bad guys? I think they might have changed hats.

Armadillo
Armadillo
June 6, 2022 8:27 pm

I saw one weirdo with a mask on at the supermarket the other day.

Bruce in WA
June 6, 2022 8:27 pm

Johanna said:

Popped into the pharmacy today with a script, to be told it was out of stock until June 26 from the wholesaler. Fortunately, it’s not a life or death thing, but not having it will cause considerable discomfort. I’d previously tried another pharmacy with the same result.

The pharmacist said they have quite a few out of stocks like that. She was not disposed to discuss (or didn’t know about) the reasons.

My bro uses Ozempic to help control his diabetes. Twice now he’s been forced to go without for weeks because fatties without diabetes are getting their doctors to prescribe it to help them lose weight. Flash: Eat less!

Dot
Dot
June 6, 2022 8:33 pm

In her apology posted on Twitter, Ms O’Connor also said:

“I acknowledge the trial & verdict have been weaponised by those who hate women, abusers, & hard right elements. To have a world that is safer for women and children, & all vulnerable people, we have to maintain the just rage against those forces, as I have throughout my life.

“To victim-survivors, and those who represent them, as well as Greens supporters, I am sorry not to have bitten my tongue in this instance. I had watched too much of the trial. I hope my record of advocacy and law reform over the past 14 years will, ultimately, speak for itself.”

Jesus Christ lady, Amber Heard shat in the bed because she was angry, smacked Johnny around and she gaslight him. Her slander is dangerously close to fraud causing financial disadvantage.

FFS, she should be in gaol.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 6, 2022 8:35 pm

dover0beachsays:
June 6, 2022 at 6:55 pm
Show us the way m0nty-fa. Solar panels on the roof, EV in the garage, and a battery round the back. Then cut your house off from the grid, and demonstrate that renewables work. Report back in six months, if you can charge your laptop.

Could the solar panels recharge the EV in the garage?

The eggspurts say they can. So do various politicians of a Slime inclination (not all of whom formally belong to the Greens). And if your house battery is low, you can use the car battery to run the house.

Eureka, a perpetual motion machine!

Dot
Dot
June 6, 2022 8:37 pm

LOL

Poor old monty can’t argue with empirical data so he become mean and invidious, comes up with a busted flush then has a breakdown explaining his failure.

Well, blow me down with a feather.

The fact remains that given enough scale, energy prices from different sources tend to converge.

Apparently he can’t tell the difference between empirical data and a model.*

*Models of long run marginal cost for very large firms work fine, they tend to be flat.

Nuclear has the greatest energy density of all and thorium is so common we could not conceivably ever run out.

If you have more energy density, the potential for scale increases.

Frank
Frank
June 6, 2022 8:38 pm

If anything happens to the supply of SSRIs things will get interesting very fast. Hordes of highly agitated people experiencing electric shocks every five minutes will make for fun on the roads for one thing.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 6, 2022 8:42 pm

Dick [H]ed

Meanwhile, Abbott pushes the “10 Aboriginals in Parliament, why do we need it?” line.
I’d say Dutton needs to repudiate Abbott before he wrecks the Liberal Party.

Two pints.

.1 Turdballs already wrecked the Lieboral Party.

.2 Even by your abysmal standards, the final paragraph is grotesquely stupid.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 6, 2022 8:43 pm

Bruce in WA.
I heard that from someone taking a diabetes drug. His doctor got really suss and questioned him over a lost prescription.
He found out it is used for weight loss, but doctors are loath to prescribe it willy-nilly, hence a black market developed.
The thing is, it doesn’t really do much for people who are 10-20 kgs over.
It is a last resort for morbidly obese fatsos.
Hi m0nster!

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 6, 2022 8:44 pm

Ed Casesays:
June 6, 2022 at 7:45 pm
If Aboriginal people enter into a Treaty, with the States or Commonwealth, does that mean they recognise the legitimacy of colonalisation, after all?

No, it means the States recognise that the invasion wasn’t legit.
And that the Public are about to be fleeced to pay for it.

Your final sentence should read: “And that the states are about to fleece the public to pay for it.”

Frank
Frank
June 6, 2022 8:46 pm
Boambee John
Boambee John
June 6, 2022 8:50 pm

Ed Casesays:
June 6, 2022 at 8:02 pm
George Christensen is likely to be a Spoiler out to discredit Vaccine scepticism.

Or a spook? Any chance of him being a Flamer?

Winston Smith
June 6, 2022 8:50 pm

Muz:

All I wanted was a modest supply of pain meds. They’re raking it in.

IGA have a Black & Gold 500mg Paracetamol 20 tabs for $1 a box.
Pharmacy Online have bottles of Paracetamol 500mg 100 tabs for $2.19

shatterzzz
June 6, 2022 8:50 pm

I cant see it happening. The Republicans have been pushing shit up hill for years trying to get rid of the Queen. I seriously doubt Australians are going to hand over power to some tribal leader named “Aunty Edith” from Wadeye.

the main problem being how well Labor has been following/learning US demon-rats tactics when it comes to vote counting! .. if it’s a mail-in like the SSM then …………. be worried ..!

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 6, 2022 8:55 pm

Two points, but you were all smart enough to work that out (except for Special Ed, he isn’t).

Thefrollickingmole
Thefrollickingmole
June 6, 2022 8:59 pm

They had the old tax eating machine on their ABCcess this morning. Pearson of the “ I have never worked outside a gov wage and never will” beard and black hat variety.

Salivating over getting a wedge inserted into the constitution as “ you can’t get rid of those”…

Why does no one ever ask” is this the last demand”….

Indolent
Indolent
June 6, 2022 9:01 pm

Katie Hopkins on the vote of No Confidence in Johnson, which will be held at 6:00 p.m. London time.

A vote of No Confidence in Boris? The snakes are squirming

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 6, 2022 9:02 pm

To victim-survivors, and those who represent them, as well as Greens supporters, I am sorry not to have bitten my tongue in this instance

The fucking point is, Heard is not a “victim-survivor”, whatever that is exactly.
She is a manipulative narcissistic fantasist.
If “victim-survivors” want to throw stones at anyone, try Ms Heard. She’s the one who has raised the credibility bar for women with genuine grievances.

Siltstone
Siltstone
June 6, 2022 9:02 pm

If Aboriginal people enter into a Treaty, with the States or Commonwealth, does that mean they recognise the legitimacy of colonalisation, after all?

If Aboriginal people can enter into a Treaty, with the States or Commonwealth, can they enter a treaty with other countries? With maori? Celts? Bantu? Han? Sami?

Eyrie
Eyrie
June 6, 2022 9:02 pm

Nuclear has the greatest energy density of all and thorium is so common

Thorium is the “nuclear waste” from rare earth mining operations.

Indolent
Indolent
June 6, 2022 9:03 pm
Frank
Frank
June 6, 2022 9:08 pm

If Aboriginal people can enter into a Treaty, with the States or Commonwealth, can they enter a treaty with other countries? With maori? Celts? Bantu? Han? Sami?

Hezbollah and the Pallies.

Dot
Dot
June 6, 2022 9:09 pm

Thorium is more scarce than lead but less scarce than silver, IIRC.

shatterzzz
June 6, 2022 9:10 pm

I found more evidence of what I predict Putin’s strategy is. When the time comes, these people will vote to be Russian.

Yep, this shows how it’s dun, tactically, without violence! .. take where I am Fairfield, NSW, Labor rusted-on for decades and will remain so and why? .. simple tactics aimed at a specific target(s) .. If your ethnic and live in Fairfield you have a 90% chance of qualifying for the “rorters” than being stuck on the lesser paying “dole” and the ignomy of looking for “work”!.. get knocked back the 1st time & and your guaranteed your local “bleeding heart” operatives will make representations to the Fed/State members office for a “weepy” appraisal to attach to your 2nd attempt .. this very rarely fails to ensure a better outcome ..
Used to apply to FOWLER, as well but may not be so well received in future .. LOL!

Armadillo
Armadillo
June 6, 2022 9:11 pm

how well Labor has been following/learning US demon-rats tactics when it comes to vote counting

It’s a good point assuming that the Australian Government can change the voting laws. It happened in the US, so I assume they could do the same here.

Can they?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 6, 2022 9:15 pm

Hezbollah and the Pallies.

Wouldn’t surprise me – didn’t the “Aboriginal Nation” try to establish diplomatic relations with Qaddafi’s Libya?

Siltstone
Siltstone
June 6, 2022 9:18 pm

Farage is a very good at getting his message through to the listener

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
June 6, 2022 9:24 pm

Franksays:
June 6, 2022 at 9:08 pm
If Aboriginal people can enter into a Treaty, with the States or Commonwealth, can they enter a treaty with other countries? With maori? Celts? Bantu? Han? Sami?

Hezbollah and the Pallies.

The Chicoms have bigger Aldi bags.

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
June 6, 2022 9:25 pm

I don’t understand how people tolerate 20 years of losses. Sounds like a ponzi.

Wait, so you’ve never heard of the Parramatta Eels??

Frank
Frank
June 6, 2022 9:26 pm

Yes, Mansell I think.

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
June 6, 2022 9:30 pm

Thorium is more scarce than lead but less scarce than silver, IIRC.

Does it require black children to dig it up?

Asking for a Teal funder with a ludicrously posh surname.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 6, 2022 9:35 pm

Yes, Mansell I think.

Michael Mansell? Wasn’t he the ouen who says Bruce Pascoe has no Aboriginal ancestors, and has no business describing himself as such?

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
June 6, 2022 9:37 pm

Meanwhile, Abbott pushes the “10 Aboriginals in Parliament, why do we need it?”

In 1,000 years everyone will be Aboriginal by the current definition. Who’s going to ask 100 years from now “do you have 0.0001% indigenous in you?”

Except a horny aborigine as a pickup line ready to follow up with the line “no? Well I can fix that”.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 6, 2022 9:38 pm

Winston at 5.22:

I’m not a doctor. Hell, I’ve only every done part time gyno work.

That’s a shit tin of codeine mixed with whatever. It’s amazing you’re upright. All good.

Grant you this – it is extremely rare to see a fully bolded rant. It was like watching Halley’s Comet. Hope your sister gets well, by the way.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 6, 2022 9:39 pm

*only ever done*

Ruined it. Again^.

^That’s what she said.

Frank
Frank
June 6, 2022 9:40 pm

Probably. No honour amongst rogues. I had hazy recollections of people saying that about him too, a long time ago, so memory is not to be trusted.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 6, 2022 9:42 pm

If “victim-survivors” want to throw stones at anyone, try Ms Heard. She’s the one who has raised the credibility bar for women with genuine grievances.

Correct. The sisterhood should be burning her at the stake.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 6, 2022 9:47 pm

Indigenous violence ‘is femicide’, says women and children’s advocate

Paige Taylor
INDIGENOUS AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT
@paigeataylor
2 hours ago June 6, 2022
3 Comments

Australia must face the reality extreme family violence in Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities amounts to Indigenous femicide, according to one of the nation’s most experienced advocates for women and children.

Noongar researcher Hannah McGlade – who has worked with victims and studied violent and sexual crimes against Indigenous women and children for 30 years – said race, gender and poverty were all at play when Indigenous women and children were bashed, sometimes fatally.

Dr McGlade said it was significant that Northern Territory Supreme Court judge Judith Kelly had spoken publicly about the epidemic of violence trapping Indigenous women in Australia’s north. Judge Kelly told The Weekend Australian some women who had tried to escape had been effectively kidnapped and dragged to tiny outstations to be beaten and raped.

Others had endured years of often drunken, jealous violence inflicted by “hopeless” men, only to be killed in the company of ­bystanders who did not try to help.

“It’s very important that Judge Kelly has highlighted the severity of violence and murder we believe that what is happening is Indigenous femicide,” Dr McGlade said.

“So many Aboriginal women are being murdered and the state is in no way innocent because it has failed to listen to us and work with us to address the violence. Our knowledge and leadership has not been properly respected.

“Women, a great many, often mothers, have been brutally slain as a result.”

Indigenous leader Marcia Langton has called on the Albanese government to take advice on the issue of Indigenous family violence from a permanent working group of people who know the causes and understand proven preventions. Professor Langton accused the women’s sector of “dithering” on irrelevant topics while Indigenous women died.

Dr McGlade, a member of the UN Permanent Forum on Indigenous issues, said while state and federal governments had heard the cries of non-Aboriginal women for new laws against “coercive control”, there had been not enough regard for what Aboriginal women say about the urgent need to prevent violent bashings and murders. In fact, Aboriginal women had serious concerns coercive control laws would actually be used against victims.

“We know research in Queensland showed more than half of the women murdered were previously misidentified by police as the perpetrators,” Dr McGlade said.

“We are talking about racial profiling of Aboriginal women victims that costs them their very lives.”

Australia could learn from work being done to prevent violence against Indigenous women in other countries. Dr McGlade believes Indigenous women’s rights to life, equality and self determination were being ignored.

“If white women in the city were being killed like this it would be national outcry, “ she said.

Dr McGlade co-authored the first international case study of Indigenous femicide including confronting data: Indigenous people are 3.4 times more likely than non-Indigenous people to be the victims of sexual assault in Australia and Indigenous women were 17.5 times more likely to be hospitalised as a result of family violence.

“We must all increase our voices and ensure that Aboriginal women’s lives matter now. Our women’s lives matter, our children’s lives matter, and our voices must not be silenced any more,” Dr McGlade said.

Just one question, Dr McGlade. Who perpetrates that violence?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 6, 2022 9:49 pm

Grant you this – it is extremely rare to see a fully bolded rant.

I can’t tell you how livid I was to wake this morning – the coldest morning of the year, mind you – and find the bolded letters tin empty.
Furious!

Winston Smith
June 6, 2022 9:52 pm

Feelthebern:

Winston, attach the rock of shame.

Is that a reference to that woman who was forced to walk down the road, naked, in some movie?
I hope not – Australia is not yet ready for that level of punishment.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 6, 2022 9:53 pm

I’m not a doctor. Hell, I’ve only every done part time gyno work.

I’m picturing a green ute and trailer emblazoned with “Jim’s Gynecology.”.

Winston Smith
June 6, 2022 9:56 pm

Calli:

My cure is usually and attack on onion weed and nut grass. Can’t do that by moonlight unfortunately.

I couldn’t do that because of the burnt fingers.
Thanks.

calli
calli
June 6, 2022 9:58 pm

Bold rants are the best rants.

calli
calli
June 6, 2022 10:02 pm

Bold and uppercase is a bridge too far.

Crossie
Crossie
June 6, 2022 10:04 pm

Best laugh I’ve had all year was Rita Panahi having a segment about how the Queen played a practical joke on a couple of American tourists in Scotland.

Crossie
Crossie
June 6, 2022 10:07 pm

Sancho Panzer says:
June 6, 2022 at 9:53 pm
I’m not a doctor. Hell, I’ve only every done part time gyno work.
I’m picturing a green ute and trailer emblazoned with “Jim’s Gynecology.”.

I’m picturing a panel van with a Sandman decal.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 6, 2022 10:08 pm

and I kept on having long arguments with the econ lecturers about how the fundamentals of the whole thing were wrong, that you couldn’t just assume things that weren’t true in the real world and expect to produce useful models.

This is a 17 year old who’s never had a job arguing with economics lecturers.

And a ranga to boot. Absolutely no upside.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 6, 2022 10:10 pm

Best laugh I’ve had all year was Rita Panahi having a segment about how the Queen played a practical joke on a couple of American tourists in Scotland.

Story goes that Her Majesty was having a quiet cup of tea, for elevenses, at a local tea shop near Balmoral Castle – her security was at the next table.

An American tourist approached her. “Do you know, you look just like the Queen of England.”

“How very reassuring” was the answer.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
June 6, 2022 10:10 pm

calli says:
June 6, 2022 at 9:58 pm
Bold rants are the best rants.

It had all the elements except a flounce.
Lift your game Winston.

Winston Smith
June 6, 2022 10:21 pm

P:

Winston, old nurses are tough. I think you said she trained at Manly in the day when training was 4yrs hard labour.

It was me who trained at Manly, Sister sister trained at Grafton and did her middie cert at Royal Brisbane.

Frank
Frank
June 6, 2022 10:24 pm

Bold rants are the best rants.

The infamous blink tag was pretty good for getting the message across. So offensive that browser makers refuse to implement it anymore.

P
P
June 6, 2022 10:28 pm

I respect you Winston and will still pray for your sister at this time.
Me, I trained at St George.

Zyconoclast
Zyconoclast
June 6, 2022 10:32 pm

We’re about to be disenfranchised

We’ve been disenfranchised for years. Most just hadn’t noticed.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 6, 2022 10:45 pm

Expect submarine delays, Marles says as he plans for defence capability gap
Anthony Galloway
By Anthony Galloway
June 6, 2022 — 5.39pm

Defence Minister Richard Marles says he doubts Australia will be able to build its first nuclear submarine by the previous government’s deadline of 2038, accepting an interim fleet of conventional boats may be needed to avoid a serious capability gap in the nation’s defences.

Marles also committed to toning down the rhetoric of a potential war with China, saying “we won’t be beating our chests” like the former Coalition government and will instead follow former American President Teddy Roosevelt’s advice of “speaking softly while carrying a big stick”.

The former government last year controversially dumped a $90 billion deal with France to build a conventional fleet of submarines in favour of building nuclear-powered submarines under a deal with the United States and Britain, but it meant the timeline for the delivery blew out by years.

Former defence minister Peter Dutton maintained that the first of the nuclear submarines under the AUKUS agreement would likely arrive before 2038 when Australia’s Collins-class submarines are expected to start being taken out of service.

But the defence minister and deputy prime minister suggested that timeline wasn’t a realistic expectation.

“I think in reality as the former government left office, the projection of most was that [delivery] was more likely to be in the mid-2040s,” Marles told The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age, which could leave a major capability gap.

Asked whether he would order Defence to look into building a conventional fleet of submarines, Marles said: “We need to look at how we bridge the gap. That’s all I can say. And my mind is open about how we do that.”

“I think that the failure of the former government in managing submarines was unforgivable and is really one of the worst procurement issues that we have seen in our country’s history,” he said.

“The challenge we now face is how we deal with them. There is no more important priority for me coming into this portfolio than this question.”

There’s a certain schadenfreude about all this..

P
P
June 6, 2022 10:46 pm

My eldest recently asked me to try extra hard to find an aboriginal link for us kids. He is going to tick Aboriginal wherever he can he tells me because that will be the only way to go.
You, says he, born in Walgett, my grandfather and his father born there and you can come up with nothing, the way things are going is not acceptable.
I can’t help I say except that for four years your grandmother worked as a nursing sister at Walgett hospital caring for many aboriginals who had great respect for her and showed it wherever she went in the district.
After WWII when we returned to Walgett I was astonished how many aboriginies would greet my mum in the street.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 6, 2022 11:10 pm

The thing about the Aboriginal Constitutional ‘Voice’ being enshrined in the Constitution is that you can never legislatively get rid of it. If it turns out to contain elite trough-feeders like those who ran ASTIC that just too bad. Put up with it. Forever.

Why this isn’t being talked about more beats me.

Megan
Megan
June 6, 2022 11:13 pm

Story goes that Her Majesty was having a quiet cup of tea, for elevenses, at a local tea shop near Balmoral Castle – her security was at the next table.

An American tourist approached her. “Do you know, you look just like the Queen of England.”

“How very reassuring” was the answer

Also heard a story in similar vein over told by one Her Maj’s protection officers out with her on a hike over the heather in the wilds of Balmoral when they encountered two American hikers on the track who greeted them warmly but clearly had zero idea who they the tiny lady in boots, coat and scarf actually was. They chatted for a bit and the Queen was asked if she lived locally. ‘Oh no, I just have a holiday home here.’
The tourists then mentioned that they knew the Queen also had a place nearby and had she ever met her whilst out walking. ‘Not once, no.’ says Herself. So they posed the same question to the protection officer who answered in the affirmative. ‘Many times.’ he added. When questioned on what she was like he told them she had a great sense of humour. Quite excited by this encounter they asked could they have a photo with the protection officer and handed their camera to the Queen who happily obliged and then posed for one herself.
As they parted ways she quietly commented to her PO…’What I wouldn’t give to be a fly on the wall when they show those pictures back home.’
She’s amazing but I don’t hold out the same hopes for the enviro-ratbag King in Wait, Wait, Still Waiting.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 6, 2022 11:24 pm

He is going to tick Aboriginal wherever he can he tells me because that will be the only way to go.

For what? Extra privileges? My Big Sis married a man in the late 1950’s whose mother was aboriginal in the way that you could tell by looking at her. Their son was handsome and leonine-looking but never claimed ‘aboriginality’ nor did their daughters. Nor did his children, although they were part-Maori via their mother as well as having their father’s aboriginal heritage.

Knowing your ancestry and ethnicity should be quite different from trying to profit from it.

So many people could make these claims, which can reach ridiculous levels of justification.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 6, 2022 11:25 pm

She’s amazing but I don’t hold out the same hopes for the enviro-ratbag King in Wait, Wait, Still Waiting.

I’ve always felt some sympathy for Charles – he’s in the same boat as Queen Victoria’s eldest son, who was over seventy when he ascended the throne, and reigned for a very few years, as Edward VII before he passed away.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
June 6, 2022 11:39 pm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-06/fears-of-mass-exodus-of-hospital-workers-doctors-nurses-burnout/101123524

A senior doctor has warned Australians will soon no longer be able to assume that if they get sick there’ll be an ambulance, hospital bed or doctor to take care of them.

“It’s at a stage now where practitioners, not only in medicine but also in nursing and allied health, are all thinking, ‘Why am I doing this? It’s not actually good for my health, and may in fact be dangerous,’” Professor Wilson said.

https://joannenova.com.au/2022/06/the-energy-crisis-in-australia-gets-deeper/

The warnings are growing louder — our aluminium smelters are already going on standby to save us from rolling blackouts and it’s only the first week of winter. Retailers are going broke, asking customers to leave. The market system rides on long term futures contracts which hold the monster prices at bay, and everyone prays a storm doesn’t break an interconnector…

Government, eh?

Energy is freezing, health is morbid, what’s next, education getting dumber?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 6, 2022 11:46 pm

Night before last we watched Ricky Gervais’ latest show called Natural Nature.

I’m sorry, but I laughed my way through it, offensive to the hilt that it was.
There wasn’t one group of people or serious social issue that was not held up for ridicule and an invitation issued to possibly explore it and agree with it or agree with dissing it. Not that I really believe this, he explains after a particularly egregious piece of offensiveness, don’t want to divide the house, he speciously appeals, but OMG it’s funny isn’t it, he asks, and you have to let your concerned self laugh away regardless.

Shiboliths mocked all round in a riotous one-hour of stand-up comedy, including much that is ‘woke’, but also taking on God, religion, heaven, abortion, paedos, child abuse, parenthood, the Holocaust, Hitler, and disabilities as well as panning the old faves of BLM racism, gaylife, gender bending, sexism, and class.

I squirmed at times for some Cats, whom I think might find it hard going in places.
Free speech though.

Winston Smith
June 6, 2022 11:50 pm

Knuckle Dragger:

Grant you this – it is extremely rare to see a fully bolded rant. It was like watching Halley’s Comet. Hope your sister gets well, by the way.

The bolding was a fat finger mistake.
We’re waiting on pathology for Sister sister. Don’t know why it’s taking so long.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 6, 2022 11:54 pm

Energy is freezing, health is morbid, what’s next, education getting dumber?

Well, you’ve gotta laugh, don’tcha?

Actually climate madness was one thing Gervaise didn’t really tackle. There may have been an energy joke in there somewhere (can’t recall), but he mostly ignored a fertile field there.

Shame on him.

Still, he can’t do everything and is currently a fairly lone voice. And we should always remember that it is satirical mocking and humour that really, really irks the humourless left. So good on him.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 7, 2022 12:03 am

Seriously, I’ve seen zero people in people NSW country towns wearing masks in bars or shop keepers insisting on people using hand sanitiser.

It just didn’t happen in Britain – anywhere. Never once. Not at all.
Masks worn by very occasional hold-outs, mostly aged by a few young worried.
No masks on the tube. No masks at the British Museum’s packed Stoneheng Exhibition.

Glorious. Life as it used to be.

I want to go back there. It’s not nice here at all. I’m still telling myself I’ll get used to it.
Boris under threat, and fair enough, how people hated him for partying when they followed rools.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 7, 2022 12:09 am

Some British members of the Conservative are openly rebellilng against Boris’ climate madness and he has started to pull his horns in on that.

Bad luck Carrie Antoinette.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
June 7, 2022 12:10 am

Too many jetlagged typos.

I’m off to bed.

JC
JC
June 7, 2022 12:26 am

It’s in the NYTimes, but it worth reading about the future of conservatism in the US

What Comes After the Religious Right?

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/01/opinion/republicans-religion-conservatism.html

JC
JC
June 7, 2022 12:28 am

And in the American conservative

Is a red wave coming to California

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/will-the-red-wave-start-in-california/

Crossie
Crossie
June 7, 2022 12:41 am

Is a red wave coming to California

No, there is nobody red left in California to vote that way. It is more likely to slide into the Pacific with the next San Andreas earthquake than Republicans to win an election there.

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