What exactly IS the ‘Voice to Parliament’ they want Australians to vote for? Aboriginal ABC editor calls for payments to First Nations people for past injustices – and she wants it to have real power

She’s just blown Elbow’s softly, softly catchee monkey approach out of the water.

Please Stan, get her on Q&A….

Outspoken Greens senator and Indigenous activist Lidia Thorpe slams the Queen as a ‘coloniser’ and gives a Black Power salute as she’s sworn into Parliament

A heads up to the normies as to what’s to come.

We should be thankful that Adam Bandt is too politically witless to rein her in.

Outspoken Greens senator and Indigenous activist Lidia Thorpe slams the Queen as a ‘coloniser’ and gives a Black Power salute as she’s sworn into Parliament

Hey, Lidia, how do you spell “reconciliation” again?

I look forward to hearing regularly from Lydia Thorpe and Michael Mansell regularly over the coming months. Their contributions should prove useful.

Remember The Golden Rule.

They should be paying us for clothes, vehicles and electricity.

It’s a bit like that scene from “Life of Brian.’ “Clothes, vehicles, and electricity. Supermarkets, schools, medicine, housing, welfare – yes but what else has the colonizers ever done for us?”

vr – you’ll find they all attend the same UN conferences.

Don’t write off Christianity
By Dr Kevin Donnelly -July 31, 2022

It started with 12, so am not writing it off just yet 😛

Lysandersays:

August 1, 2022 at 12:52 pm

Earth’s rotation has been slowing (very slowly) but slowing nonetheless. Scientists are then surprised it sped up last month

m0nster, you didn’t move closer to the equator did you?

m0nster, you didn’t move closer to the equator did you?

lol

Munty – you really are a dangerous individual and should probably be gagged (both for your stupid and dangerous comments as well as your eating problem!).

No it isn’t, you idiot. Privilege is about class, which by definition is a group concept.

Dumbfuck Marxist such as yourself always go to “the class struggle.” You immediately fail (again) as you treat indigenous folk as a non-wavering homogenised people. I know some very wealthy indigenous people in Perth and I know of some that live in Epping, Sydney!! I know of others who sleep drunk on the streets of East Perth every night. I know of some who have a strong connection to their land, others don’t. I know some tribes HATE other tribes.

Well known fact mate: Many Torres Strait Islander folks CANNOT STAND being lumped into the indigenous group and yet, morons such as you, think that they think like you (sheep).

Or how about this group, let’s have these guys on the Voice:

https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/2015/08/17/aboriginal-lgbtqis-voice-their-views-aboriginal-petition-against-same-sex

/rant out

They should be paying us for clothes, vehicles and electricity. I like the US argument that said they’d pay reparations to African Americans provided they immediately went back to Africa and stayed there. No takers.

Likewise, we can agree to pay reparations to those aborigines who are willing to go back to living as they did two hundred years ago. I guess we’d have to pay them in witchetty grubs.

That’s the wrong way of working it out.

Add up, with interest, all direct and indirect federal and state expenditure devoted to aboriginal welfare since day zero*. Also work out the benefits of living in an industrial civilization. This even means aboriginals living in remote areas are even flown by private jet to medical centers where they can receive top care. Add in the fact that we housed them etc. Add all that with interest. Then compare that to the costs they suggest they’ve suffered.

The “colonizers” would be owed hundreds of billions of dollars.

*Approximately, 5 years ago there was a debate on the old Cat about how much we spent on this privileged class of citizens. Federal expenditure was around $30 billion, which worked out to around $60,000 per head. That’s not counting states.

One local tribe was very happy with the prospect as they would make some money on a part of their land that wasn’t particularly noteworthy. The neigbouring tribe wasn’t happy as the site was “close” to some of their noteworthy land.

But now we have learnt they they had ‘nations’ there must be a mechanism for this. If they were of the same nation then there must be a way that intra-nation affairs are managed (otherwise how is the nation distinguished from tribal anarchy) and if different nations they will have a mechanism to settle things ‘inter’-nationally.

Dunno Walter, can we? You’re incessant babbling ought to be red flagged. That’s just my opinion though.

This is what I am talking about. You lot are going mental at the thought of seeing even the slightest bit of restitution from decades of racism against Aboriginal people.

Allowing a special privilege to a class of people in our constitution is not restitution, Fatboy. It’s allowing a small, frankly parasitical minority riding rough saddle against the rest of us.

You can’t handle the thought of Aboriginal people being given a voice, let alone a Voice, because it makes you impossibly uncomfortable to hear any voice other than one from your own background.

I couldn’t give a shit about their “voice”. Being frank again, I’m not really seeing what we’d gain with them having a voice. It’s not as though they’ve been very insightful over the past 200 odd years have they?

And you have the cheek to accuse others of an Us and Them mentality! What a bunch of poltroons.

You’re reversing who is the us vs them applies to. In this case it’s “them” wanting to lord over us with a special constitutional privilege. Fuck’em and frankly, they ought to begin paying their own fucking way in life instead of grifting approximately $30 billion a year federally, which works out to a nice letter earner of around 60K per Aboriginal capita.

She looks like a trannie, Dot.

You might be male but there’s one thing that’s certain, you’re no man.

Cassie please. You should be aware of this by now. Fatboy identifies as an obese lesbian. His pronouns are her and they.

If Lydia Thorpe is black, then I’m chief sitting bull.

From memory, her claim to Aboriginal status is based on the claim that her Great grandmother was Aboriginal.

It’s just an advisory role to Parliament,

We elect advisors. They are called parliamentarians.

geez it’s not as if they have been declared dictators for life. The overreaction here makes you look ridiculous.

If the advisory role is just that, then why the need to inscribe it into our constitution. They wish to advise, then go fucking right ahead and advise through the media etc and or write to the pols. It’s not as though Coconut-head is never heard from. Why he need to inscribe this role to our political apparatus then if it’s just advisory?

Because then the PM can’t nobble it, like the Libs did to the Indigenous Advisory Council.

Look, let’s be blunt, I am unaware of a single piece of good advice coming from that crew for the past 200 plus years. I’m not optimistic for the future. If their advice is useful then it would stand on its merits and there’s no need to give them privilege that they frankly don’t deserve. As I said, fuck’em.

Outspoken Greens senator and Indigenous activist Lidia Thorpe slams the Queen as a ‘coloniser’ and gives a Black Power salute as she’s sworn into Parliament

Since when did the “black power salute” switch arms .. always been a left-handed gesture since 1st introduced in 1968 ……
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11067883/Greens-senator-Lidia-Thorpe-claims-Queen-coloniser-gives-Black-Power-salute.html

This kunt needs to be sent to Wadeye for a few weeks. The local 3rd nations chaps will sort her out.

Objections to The Voice cannot be racist because the people who will benefit are not defined by race as we understand it. Most of them claim something like one sixteenth Aboriginal blood, with the rest being firmly European. We are objecting to some Europeans claiming special status over other Europeans.

If Australia was a truly racist society people would not be doing their darnedest to become part of the supposedly persecuted minority. To the contrary they would be insisting on the mainstream part of them. Instead, as we see, there are many advantages to claiming ‘Aboriginality’. Sounds like privilege to me.

For people to be defined by 1/16 of their ancestry and 15/16 written off as an insignificant contribution is ridiculous. If they want a voice then it should be restricted to people of at least 50% Aboriginal blood.

Monty take one:

This is what I am talking about. You lot are going mental at the thought of seeing even the slightest bit of restitution from decades of racism against Aboriginal people.

Monty take two:

It’s just an advisory role to Parliament

So it’s just an advisory role so a bit of tokenism then and not restitution as you’ve asked for in Monty Takes One (U.T.A)?

Where in this list don’t indigenous get a “voice: (not the bold one below)”

Council of Australian Governments’ Closing the Gap
-COAG Reform Council Indigenous Reform Agenda is implemented though a National Indigenous Reform Agreement which set out six Closing the Gap targets and seven National Partnerships:
-National Partnership on Closing the Gap in Indigenous Health Outcomes
-National Partnership on Remote Indigenous Housing
-Closing the Gap: National Partnership Agreement on Indigenous Early Childhood Development
-National Partnership on Indigenous Economic Participation
-National Partnership Agreement on Remote Service Delivery
-Closing the Gap: National Partnership Agreement on Remote Indigenous Public Internet Access
-Closing the Gap in the Northern Territory National Partnership Agreement
Publications tracking progress include:
the Prime Minister’s annual report (Closing the Gap: Prime Minister’s Report, 2014)
-the Productivity Commission’s biennial report (Overcoming Indigenous Disadvantage: Key Indicators 2011) and
-the COAG Reform Council’s report on progress (Indigenous Reform 2011-12: Comparing performance across Australia) and Oxfam’s Campaign Steering Committee report, Close the Gap: progress and priorities 2014.

PROGRAMS AND AGENCIES (FEDERAL ONLY)
-Community Night Patrols
-Indigenous Law and Justice (includes Legal Assistance and Family violence prevention)
-Community Legal Services Programme and Aboriginal Interpreter Service
-Transferring from the Department of Communications
-Indigenous Communications Programme
-Indigenous Broadcasting Programme
-Transferring from the Department of Education
-Indigenous Education (Targeted Assistance) Act 2000
-Building an Indigenous Workforce
-Literacy and numeracy for underachieving Indigenous students
-Indigenous Education Ambassadors Programme
-Indigenous Support Units (ISU)
-Indigenous Youth Leadership Programme
-Indigenous Youth Mobility Programme
-National Indigenous English and Numeracy Strategy – Transitional Project Assistance
-Parental and Community Engagement Programme
-Sporting Chance Programme
-Indigenous Remote Service Delivery Traineeships-Schools
-Indigenous Ranger Cadetship Pilot
-Indigenous Employment Programme (IEP)
-Indigenous Cadetship Support (ICS)
-Indigenous Wage Subsidy (IWS)
-Indigenous Youth Careers Pathways Programme
-Indigenous Opportunities Policy
-Working on Country (Indigenous Rangers)
-Indigenous Protected Areas
-Indigenous Carbon Farming Fund
-Indigenous Heritage Programme
-Indigenous Sport and Active Recreation Programme
-Indigenous Support Programme
-Away from Base- for approved ‘mixed mode’ courses
-Indigenous Tutorial Assistance Scheme (ITAS) for Tertiary Tuition
-Indigenous Tutorial Assistance Scheme (ITAS) for Vocational Education and Training
-Supplementary Recurrent Assistance for non-government Vocation Education and Training Sectors
-Transferring from the Department of Social Services
-Communities for Children, Indigenous Family Safety Programme and Stronger Communities for Children
-Indigenous Community Volunteers
-Remote Indigenous Housing Programme
-Army Aboriginal Community Assistance Programme
-Centre for Appropriate Technology
-Indigenous Mothers Accommodation Fund
-Remote Indigenous Energy Programme
-Remote Pools
-Indigenous Home Ownership
-Land Rights Programme
-Native Title Programme
-Indigenous Capability and Development Programme
-Reconciliation Australia
-Stronger Futures in the Northern Territory
-Attorney-General’s Department (includes Ministry for the Arts)
-Indigenous culture, languages and visual art programmes
-Indigenous Schooling
-Indigenous Australian Government Development Program
-Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Health
-National Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Health Equality Council
-Indigenous Australians
-Indigenous Coordination Centres and Regional Operations Centres
-Remote Jobs and Communities Programme
-Indigenous housing
-National Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Women’s Alliance
-Australian Medical Association—Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Health Report Cards.
-Australian Indigenous HealthInfoNet Summary of Australian Indigenous Health
-Australian Institute of Health and Welfare’s Indigenous Australians.
-The Aboriginal corporation search facility at Office of the Registrar of Indigenous Corporations
-The online Indigenous Business and Community Services Directory Black Pages
-Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Social Justice Commissioner—Australian Human Rights Commission
-National Congress of Australia’s First Peoples
-Australian Institute of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Studies
-Centre for Aboriginal Economic Policy Research at the Australian National University
-Indigenous Business Australia including the Indigenous Home Ownership program
-Indigenous Land Corporation
-National Aboriginal Community Controlled Health Organisation
-National Native Title Tribunal
-Native Title Corporations—Prescribed Bodies Corporate representing native title holders.
-Native Title Representative Bodies and Service Providers—those representing people seeking native title.
-National Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Health Worker Association
-Reconciliation Australia and the campaign Recognise
-Secretariat of National Aboriginal and Islander Child Care
-House of Representatives Standing Committee on Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Affairs
-Torres Strait Regional Authority

Note that this list does include indigenous bodies or programs funded by industry (such as mining, energy) nor farming programs nor the MANY State funded programs nor any tertiary programs that are also funded via universities.

Sorry, but this is a fantastic Liberty Quote, and I can’t just leave it to the vagaries of chance that people see it one by one but never at once:

Fairy tales do not tell children the dragons exist. Children already know that dragons exist. Fairy tales tell children the dragons can be killed.

— G. K. Chesterton

dover0beachsays:
August 1, 2022 at 2:50 pm

Soon, there will be calls for religiously operated hospitals to also perform euthanasia (just as there are now re abortion) or have their public funding stopped.

Will probably end up like a story related on Sinc’s Cat (Catholic Cats may recall more correctly than I) where there was a threat to funding for Catholic schools in NSW (?) so the Bishop(?) in charge told them all to close and for parents to send their kids to the nearest state school. They couldn’t cope and the funding was restored very quickly.

It won’t take long if church run hospitals close over abortion and euthanasia, that the state system will suffer even more stress. They will get an exemption very quickly.

The left forget how much Christian charities reduce stress on the state.

Reminds me of an old joke:
“Friends, Romans, Countrymen, lend me your ears.”
“What’cha got in that large bag?”
“Ears”

“What happened to the ears we gave you last week?”
“I gave them to a chariot.”
“Why?”
“Because they were chariot-ears.”

Whatever you do, don’t look at the economy.

Ding ding ding !
We have a winner.

We are objecting to some Europeans claiming special status over other Europeans.

I’m going to politely disagree with that, ML.

I object to citizens claiming special status over other citizens on the basis of race.

The whole thing is so stupid that it looks clever to politicians who are always able to insulate themselves from their own stupidity because there will always be a political class that, protecting itself, provides protection to itself.

It reminds me of the trope (which may or may not be true) that kings claiming divine right can’t kill other kings, especially those they had usurped, because they too had divine right.

The word ‘privilege’ has been corrupted (like everything else) by the left, it’s now used as a pejorative.
Once upon a time (I recall) the word privilege as describing (for example) a benefit that was gained, associated with something that was earned.
In a jobs hierarchy for example, a kind of reward, ‘the privileges of the position’.
Now, the word ‘privilege’ is used as a slur, to mean, “what you have you don’t deserve, because I don’t have it too”
Socialism: Philosophy of Failure, Creed of Ignorance, Gospel of Envy

Merely pointing out that they can’t really even claim race as a basis.

That’s a contested matter.

Which is why I think the basic question is more fundamental.

Race shouldn’t determine what rights & privileges a citizen has access to.

Yeah, and no actual power. So what’s the problem?

If there was no power attached they wouldn’t be agitating for it.

If you want to call it Naarm, logically you need to eliminate Melbourne, clear the site, an operation which may figure somewhere in the future aggressive strategies of expansionist Beijing but seems hardly a function of the city’s deputy lord mayor.
C’mon China!