Open Thread – Weekend 10 Sept 2022
2,065 responses to “Open Thread – Weekend 10 Sept 2022”
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Hmm…whilst we’re on the topic of moral cowardice, we’re still waiting on Monty’s apology for calling Cardinal Pell a “rock spider”.
At the time I said it, he was indeed a convicted and gaoled rock spider according to the law. But then his appeal won (on a technicality), and now he is not. Not hard to understand, Cassie.
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The Queen’s funeral is on Tuesday 19th.
So why the Thursday holiday two days later?The Prime Minister and Governor-General will travel to London for the Queen’s funeral, with the memorial to be held upon their return.
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Anyone with an appreciation of the beauty of golf is appalled by that photo on a number of levels (see above on private golf courses).
Bear, just being hypothetical. Say one saw him on a golf course at the time the pic was taken and were so overcome with anger at the way he was attired and playing, you ran him over with a golf cart and killed him. Or you clubbed him to death out of sheer anger. As I lawyer, do you think you could reduce the sentence?
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Putin’s poodles in the media and on socials are not having a good time of it today. They probably should flee like his soldiers.
Monty, I would be as happy as you if the corrupt, anti-democratic thug in Kiev managed to defeat the army of the corrupt old thug in Moscow, who’s trying to expand the Russian empire again.
But, as you know, there are two wars currently in progress – a battlefield hot war and a propaganda cold war.
If one of your Twitter parrots has tweeted that Putin is beating Zelenskyy, there’s a lag period of one to four weeks to elapse before claims on the battlefield are corroborated by political events in Moscow and Kiev.
If you are claiming that Putin has beaten Putin on the battlefield, it sounds to me you are setting yourself up make a fool of yourself, of which you have long track record here.
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U.K Energy Reaches Crisis Point, Britain Announces New Oil and Gas Leases and Lifts Moratorium on Fracking
September 10, 2022 | SundanceFrom the comments:
Green energy…
dies this Winter.Hopefully the World will give this Green Energy BS a proper burial and say Never Again to Soros and the WEF.
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I can’t, because it isn’t wasn’t to be found. I wonder why?
Look harder, it’s there.
BTW, that’s not negotiating, that’s back peddling.
I was making some quite reasonable requests before I accepted the job offer. Not my fault that Ricky can’t organise anything more complicated than a PA on the back of a truck. He didn’t even register his political party, LOL.
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If one of your Twitter parrots has tweeted that Putin is beating Zelenskyy, there’s a lag period of one to four weeks to elapse before claims on the battlefield are corroborated by political events in Moscow and Kiev.
The Russian Defence Ministry has confirmed it is puling troops out of areas in which Ukraine is conducting its counter-offensive. Can’t get more definitive than that.
No one is declaring total victory yet, but signs are certainly poor for Putin’s tankies.
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JCsays:
September 11, 2022 at 10:46 am
JohnnyPutin
I dunno, maybe I’m just a gullible softy, but anyone who writes a such a nice letter to Charles about his mother can’t be all bad.JC I don’t know whether I am the Jonny that you refer too but I agree with you 100%. Long live King Charles the Turd as the Irish would say it after a Guinness or more………………..
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The Russian Defence Ministry has confirmed it is puling troops out of areas in which Ukraine is conducting its counter-offensive.
Yes. Because the ‘Russian Defence Ministry’, in line with its values of openness and transparency, broadcasts its troop movements in the middle of a battle for the edification of lazy hypochondriac indoor rangas on the other side of the world.
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The Australian Guv.ment has been very respectful. I am impressed.
Yes, I was referring to you.
I’m sure the Albanian told his backbench to STFU or they would have their throats slit. But yes, they’re being superficially respectful.
Superficially respectful is actually worse than saying how you really feel though. 🙂
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duk – private health insurance is certainly good for getting to the front of the queue. Not sure how it stacks up on value against a lifetime of (genuine) self insuring allowing for a couple of knees and a hip. Both my hospitalisations have fallen into the catastrophic category so far. The degenerative stuff is yet to come.
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Look harder, it’s there.
Let’s just assume for a minute that it does exist (and I don’t believe it does), does this look like anything except a ‘no jump’ at the door?
m0nty
#2306211, posted on February 23, 2017 at 9:09 pmC’mon m0nty, where is your sense of commitment and adventure.
I have two kids under 3. I have enough commitment and adventure in my life.
Your refusal had nothing to do with Riccardo, his wife or his kids. What you did was what loud mouthed cowards allows do when called out. You reneged, and made excuses.
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But of course:
The Queen leaves a complicated legacy for Indigenous Australians
As the world reflects on the legacy of the longest-reigning monarch in British history, Wiradjuri person Sandy O’Sullivan said some Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people felt the Queen had a responsibility to enact change to better the lives of First Australians.
Wiradjuri person? What’s that all about?
Professor O’Sullivan said a lot of First Nations people were frustrated the Queen did not do more.
“We’ve experienced over decades that work not being done,” they said.
“She had a voice that we didn’t have and that voice would have gone a long way to effecting change.
“Hopefully that’s what we see now.”
Oh, right. You’ve got to hand it to the good professor. It’s clear they’ve got at least three good grifts going simultaneously and is pitching a fourth.
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Yes it does.
Glib online challenges happen all the time.People like Riccardo, and those of a similar background, don’t make glib online challenges. He would have paid up as offered.
Besides, if Monty thought it was glib, he could have called Riccardo out. Instead, he broke out in a cold sweat, started pissing his pants and vomiting lame excuses.
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Just as a reminder:
Riccardo Bosi
#2305631, posted on February 23, 2017 at 1:06 pmm0nty #2304372, posted on February 22, 2017 at 10:24 am
M0nty, are you implying that whilst the Watson offer is less than he originally stated, the actual crimes against Swedes are real?
No. If he wants to pay for my holiday though, or if USSR also has the courage of his convictions, I would love a free trip to Malmo thanks.
Your offer is accepted.
I will fund your trip, the purpose of which is to discover the ‘Truth About Living in Malmo’
I will provide $4,000 to cover:
• Return airfare to Malmo Sweden,
• five days food and accommodation, and
• local travel.
Please note the following constraints and deliverables:
• You are required to reside in Malmo for the duration of your trip.
• You are to conduct a minimum of 15 video interviews with the residents of the suburb of
Rosengard, Malmo.
• The video interviews are to be:
* a minimum of five minutes duration each,
* conducted over three consecutive days, and
* uploaded to the Catallaxy Files.
• Each day’s interviews only, are to be uploaded at the end of the day, ie no carry overs
• No more than five video interviews are to be uploaded per day
Please note the following conditions:
• At no time are you considered an employee.
• All rights to material you produce remain my property.
• All medical costs including treatment, transport and hospitalisation remains your responsibility.
• In the event of death, repatriation of your body or parts thereof remains your responsibility.
• If you fail to meet your obligations as described:
* you will be required to reimburse the $4,000 in full,
* regardless of the reason for the failure to deliver,
* including serious injury and/or death.
• In the case of death your estate will be required to reimburse the $4, 000 in full.
If you accept the offer, the T&Cs can be tightened up, but I think you can see where I’m going with this.
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a West that celebrates the obscene, the pagan, the promiscuous, the opposite of truth, the vulgar, the indecent, the tawdry, the obnoxious, the dissolute, the lewd and the self-indulgent.
which has been largely driven by the meja- just look at the way US TV changed in 60 years- it actually used to be quite nice and fun- Petticoat Junction, the Beverly Hillbillies, F troop, Lassie. For decades, to use Cassie’s words, it’s been indecent, tawdry, obnoxious, dissolute, lewd and self-indulgent.
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duk – private health insurance is certainly good for getting to the front of the queue. Not sure how it stacks up on value against a lifetime of (genuine) self insuring allowing for a couple of knees and a hip. Both my hospitalisations have fallen into the catastrophic category so far. The degenerative stuff is yet to come.
*provided* you can pay the cost of whatever is needed, ‘self insuring’ is always a cheaper option because you are just paying for the cost of the procedure, not the cost + their profit + their admin fee.
The problem however is that (in this country*) many providers wont accept ‘self insured’ – probably because they have been burned in the past.
* In contrast to, say Dubai, where we would deliver out own patients to either the American (1st choice), Canadian (2nd) or European hospital, and pass $15k USD across the counter to get the ball rolling.
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Not having private health insurance is fine if your medical issue is life threatening but a different kettle of fish if you a trade apprentice being told you have to wait twelve months for a knee reconstruction.
Again, until recently, I would have agreed that public hospitals are fine/better for acute life threats (trauma/MI) but increasingly they are not – more and more people are getting delayed at (or even outside – ramping) the ED when they need to be receiving definitive care. Many people have died in ramped ambulances.
I have not heard of anyone getting ramped at a private hospital, and many big city private EDs are good at managing Heart attacks and strokes.
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Ricky’s entire political history has been glib online challenges, interspersed with glib public speeches. He has accomplished exactly nothing, got no one elected, had no effect.
He thought he’d score a few debating points by making a bulltish offer of underfunding some contract work with terrible conditions. I expressed keenness to do it and pointed out how rubbish his initial offer was, and we started working out the details in a slightly more professional manner. Then he withdrew because his wife got sick.
Of course you lot view that process as being “oh you just squibbed it” when it was Ricky who withdrew, not me.
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Albanese announces public holiday to mark Queen’s death
The Prime Minister has announced a public holiday on Thursday 22nd of September to allow Australians to pay their respects to Queen Elizabeth II.We is all equal! .. LOL! .. pollies get, at least, 2 weeks .. wukkas get 1 day and the 251s will find CentreLink closed .. if only we had a .. VOICE! .. LOL!
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I got rid of the incidentals part of health insurance several years ago as it’s just not worth it and pay my own freight for dental. I just have hospital coverage. The other crap like physio – I don’t care.
Of course, ‘insuring’ against relatively small, relatively predictable health costs like GP visits or physio makes about as much sense as insuring against your car needing fuel or servicing – you pay the cost of the service + their profit + their admin costs.
I only insure against catastrophes /.
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How long do you think you’ll allow the delivery driver to fuck up your blog with boring , repetitious trash?
It’s an OT, and we’ve all been repetitious. The only time I’ll intervene in such an instance is if it becomes a near everyday jeremiad.
How does this fit with your new improved standards, Dover?
Not much, but neither does the swearing of both sides, nor the baiting, nor responding to it.
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But then his appeal won (on a technicality),
He did not win it on a ‘technicality’. He won it because the seven justices of the HC unanimously found that there was a very real danger he was innocent given the evidence. A technicality would involve a procedural error, like a chain of custody error, or such like.
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m0ntysays:
September 11, 2022 at 10:33 am
Hmm…whilst we’re on the topic of moral cowardice, we’re still waiting on Monty’s apology for calling Cardinal Pell a “rock spider”.At the time I said it, he was indeed a convicted and gaoled rock spider according to the law. But then his appeal won (on a technicality), and now he is not. Not hard to understand, Cassie.
The “technicality” being that it was physically impossible for the events to have occurred. Minor detail?
And still no apology for making the assertion, and never actually withdrawing it? Gutless worm (sorry to worms for the association).
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It’s an OT,
Naa, ya think?
and we’ve all been repetitious.
There’s repetition and monotonously boring repetition. Where do you think his is on a scale of one to ten? 38?
The only time I’ll intervene in such an instance is if it becomes a near everyday jeremiad.
That’s a nice cop-out on a technicality. 🙂 It’s “jeremiadathon” most of the freaking day. I think he’s “jeremiading” even in-between shifts at Bakers Delight.
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How George Pell won in the High Court on a legal technicality
This High Court appeal did not ask whether Pell committed the offences. It asked whether the two majority judges in the Victorian Court of Appeal, in dismissing Pell’s earlier appeal, made an error about the nature of the correct legal principles, or their application.
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JCsays:
September 11, 2022 at 11:27 am
duk – private health insurance is certainly good for getting to the front of the queue.I got rid of the incidentals part of health insurance several years ago as it’s just not worth it and pay my own freight for dental. I just have hospital coverage. The other crap like physio – I don’t care.
Same – happy to pay extra for my Female GP’s and my Female Plastic Surgeon who recommended me to Radiation Specialist and ENT Specialist at RNSH – I am a testament to a Great Public Health System – at St Vincents and RNSH, but happy to have private as backup if required – Dentists – haven’t seen one in 30 years – we don’t get on
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Your selective editing is noted.
Riccardo’s offer was made on at “February 23, 2017 at 1:06 pm”
This is a quote of yours from 8 hours later:
m0nty
#2306211, posted on February 23, 2017 at 9:09 pmC’mon m0nty, where is your sense of commitment and adventure.
I have two kids under 3. I have enough commitment and adventure in my life.
Did Riccardo have a family crisis in that 8 hours?
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As I said last night, this is undoubtedly a big win for UKR. They reclaimed a significant area and important towns, and the morale boost will be immense. But its still unclear what this will mean overall. It looks like the areas reclaimed were only lightly defended by RUS forces so the gaining of territory isn’t accompanied by a significant mauling of RUS forces overall because they had largely been pulled out over the last few weeks. Whether that’s because of the UKR counteroffensive in Kherson or because of RUS offensive operations in Donetsk, combination of the two, we just don’t know. Will be interesting to see if UKR can exploit this success in the next few weeks or whether this is the full extent of the advance or somewhere inbetween.
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Knuckle Draggersays:
September 11, 2022 at 10:41 am
The back channels tell me St Ruth is claiming (yet again) that he is banned from here.
The would be the ‘back channel’ consisting of four people, and of whom one is Bird.
Well, yes.
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I have two kids under 3. I have enough commitment and adventure in my life.
That comment was made in response to Ricky’s offer, which was basically to cover expenses and not pay me for doing actual professional work for him. I was not going to do it for the pure adventure. I’m not a grifter living on donations and a military pension like Ricky. I have mouths to feed, if he thought he didn’t need to pay me for real-life work then he had to change his tune.
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How stupid is Elbow?! I see he is already talking about referendum on at republic .
I posted two weeks ago approximately, the story of my new relationship with a grieving widower and now writing a book about all of our the problems associated with it . So I am researching all I can on the subject .
It has been for Melburnians particularly, a year of losses loss of freedom, loss of businesses , loss of school and socialising, loss of work and probably loss of relationships and now a threat of loss of homes. ,
Loss and Grief have been suffered by many and Ithink the Queen’s death is going to have a greater impact on grievers . More Than we can ever imagine. especially those who lost family and friends during lockdown . Elbow has Buckleys ..
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m0nty, that “legal technicality” (lol) is a bedrock principle of a fair trial.
The fact is the High Court said no jury could reasonably convict – that goes back to the trial itself, and meant the appeal court should have over-turned the verdict.
That is not a legal technicality.
That is justice finding that a grevious injustice had occurred.
7-0
No jury should have convicted him.
Innocent at law and that is all that matters here on Earth – what he cops (if anything) on judgment day is a matter for our betters.
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m0ntysays:
September 11, 2022 at 12:23 pm
That’s not what the replay shows.Your selective editing is noted.
hahahaha, Monty thought because the Sinc cat was gone he was free to rewrite his Blancmange like u-turn on the malmo slitherdown.
Own it fat boy, when offered a way to prove the evil wingnuts wrong you instead retreated further than Xenophon and the March of the 10,000…
Ahahahaha…
Matersays:
September 11, 2022 at 12:27 pmTheres MORE!
Go on monty-Who, travel through time and space and change history some more.
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That comment was made in response to Ricky’s offer, which was basically to cover expenses and not pay me for doing actual professional work for him. I was not going to do it for the pure adventure.
It’s amazing that someone as sickly and fat as you can twist, turn, backflip and slither so effectively.
I’m genuinely impressed.
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How George Pell won in the High Court on a legal technicality
This High Court appeal did not ask whether Pell committed the offences. It asked whether the two majority judges in the Victorian Court of Appeal, in dismissing Pell’s earlier appeal, made an error about the nature of the correct legal principles, or their application.
LOL. Read the actual article and look at what they are calling a ‘technicality’:
Based on their summary reasons, the High Court found the Court of Appeal majority judgment did not apply sufficiently cogent reasoning when it assessed the evidence.
In their full reasons, the High Court concluded an independent assessment of the evidence by the Court of Appeal should have concluded there ought to have been sufficient doubt in the jury’s minds to preclude the verdict from being open.
They found the majority’s judgment failed to consider whether there was a reasonable possibility the offending had not taken place, such that there ought to have been a reasonable doubt as to Pell’s guilt.
They also found that despite the complainant’s credibility and reliability, the evidence of the witnesses required the jury, acting rationally, to have entertained a reasonable doubt as to Pell’s guilt.
Pretending that this is a ‘technicality’ is absurd but I can see what they are doing here; namely, providing a reference for halfwits that want to maintain guilt in the face of the paucity of the evidence.
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m0ntysays:
September 11, 2022 at 12:25 pm
How George Pell won in the High Court on a legal technicalityThis High Court appeal
ROFLMAO. To “prove” his point about a legal technicality, m0nty-fa links to The (one-sided) Conversation, part of the “Get Pell” gang that pursued an innocent man for years, and got him jailed on a legal fiction for 14 months. And has never admitted to error.
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Matersays:
September 11, 2022 at 11:43 am
Your assuming allot based on minimal contact and comradeship, Mater.
You have no idea of my history with Riccardo.
Anyone with a modicum of deductive reasoning might assume that it could be significant.Serious question Mater.
Did he show signs earlier of the potential to go off reservation?
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The exoneration occurred on the basis of what the HCA noted several times as the incontrovertible exculpatory evidence of ‘honest witnesses’ vis a vis the original allegations which the HCA noted as having been fabrications. Now it so happened that the exculpatory evidence was sufficient to indicate that there was every possibility that an innocent person had been convicted. As for the fabrications, they were and are left to speak for themselves.
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I have always thought the hospital system would work better with an element of user pays and a stronger role for the price mechanism. Need to stop short of a full US model of have and have nots.
Bear, don’t live under the misapprehension that the US model is based on some user pays capitalist model. It’s not as it’s a complete shitshow of complexity of state and federal government mandates and only recently was there liberalization across state lines. It’s basically a late birth abortion gone wrong.
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m0ntysays:
September 11, 2022 at 12:37 pm
No jury should have convicted him.Why even have juries, obviously judges are the final word on these matters. Better to have begowned beaks in powdered wigs decide everything on our behalf, not leave it to the riff raff and unwashed masses.
Meeeeoooowww, saucer of milk for the Phat Cat?
When Appeal Court judges decided to reject Pell’s appeal, they were (well, two of them were) providing justice. When a higher court said thy were wrong it became “begowned beaks in powdered wigs”.
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A few things to know before stealing my 914
Dear Thief,
Welcome to my Porsche 914. I imagine that at this point (having found the door unlocked) your intention is to steal my car. Don’t be encouraged by this; the tumblers sheared off in 1978. I would have locked it up if I could, so don’t think you’re too clever or that I’m too lazy. However, now that you’re in the car, there are a few things you’re going to need to know. First, the battery is disconnected, so slide-hammering my ignition switch is not your first step. I leave the battery disconnected, not to foil hoodlums such as yourself, but because there is a mysterious current drain from the 40-year-old German wiring harness that I can’t locate and/or fix. So, connect the battery first. Good luck finding the engine cover release. Or the engine, for that matter.
Now, you can skip your slide hammer. The ignition switch’s tumblers are so worn that any flat-bladed screwdriver or pair of scissors will do. Don’t tell anyone.
Once you’ve figured that out and try to start the car, you’ll run into some trouble. -
Gotta luv the way “our” ABC ignores the crux of the matter by failing to mention “Trevor” is a renter so has no say in “improvements” to the abode .. LOL!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-11/solar-push-for-public-housing-residents/101410560 -
m0ntysays:
September 11, 2022 at 12:25 pm
How George Pell won in the High Court on a legal technicalityPoor old m0nty. Once again he posts something without having read it, only to find that despite the dishonest headline it actually totally contradicts his assertion.
From m0nty’s link:Jury decisions cannot be undermined without exceptional circumstances. Pell had to show more than the jury “might have” had a reasonable doubt. He had to show the evidence “precluded” a guilty verdict.
Correct. The evidence was found to “preclude” a guilty verdict.
Poor old m0nty. He’s a self-beclownment MACHINE!
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How George Pell won in the High Court on a legal technicality
This High Court appeal did not ask whether Pell committed the offences. It asked whether the two majority judges in the Victorian Court of Appeal, in dismissing Pell’s earlier appeal, made an error about the nature of the correct legal principles, or their application.
Dickless resorts to The Conversation. In dickless’s mind Pell is still guilty. That’s the point. The left is never wrong. The HC concluded this:
“a significant possibility that an innocent person has been convicted because the evidence did not establish guilt to the requisite standard of proof”
The standard of criminal proof not being met is not a technicality.
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Serious question Mater.
Did he show signs earlier of the potential to go off reservation?
Or is this just a sudden, recent thing?With all due respect Sancho, it’s not really a serious question. If you are wanting me to slag off Riccardo, I won’t, but I will give you a serious answer.
After recent events, the reservation got a whole lot smaller. Not hard to go off it. Most who don’t blindly bungle along compliantly, are generally considered “off reservation”.
A number of my acquaintances would tell you that the last 28 months have sent me “off reservation”, too. They are the types who think I should have been held down and forcibly injected.
Sticking to some fundamental principles is unusual nowadays, and is not particularly popular with those who have trivialised them to point of being bloody scary.
I wouldn’t have gone the same track as Riccardo, but we all dealt with it, and resisted it, in our own way.
Was there early signs of him doing something that wouldn’t be popular? Sure. He’s a man of belief and commitment, and not one to sit idly by. His appearances on the ABC well before Covid were clear clues.
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In their full reasons, the High Court concluded an independent assessment of the evidence by the Court of Appeal should have concluded there ought to have been sufficient doubt in the jury’s minds to preclude the verdict from being open.
Why even run the case in the first place. Witness testimonies in rape cases are obviously worth nothing. That’s the real legacy of this decision.
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It’s hard to know because I don’t read them in full or at all.
Then rely on our word.
Dover, let’s not have Twitter rules which are basically capricious. Stuthid is miles worse than Bird if you take out the anti-Semitism. In fact, if you remove the anti-Semitic stuff, Bird can be (not is, but can be) miles more interesting than the van canary. Yet Bird gets the size 10 and Stuthid remains. Unfair I think.
Moreover, sure anti-Semitism has much more serious connotations than throwing around other racist comments like wog etc. But perhaps you could say moderate Birdian commentary and also moderate sthuthid when say, he gets to 48 comments in a day criticising Rosie’s decision to get the jab.
Again, it’s your blog and you can do what you like. I’m just making a suggestion unlike someone else, who thought s/he owned your blog. I’m just keeping it real.
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m0ntysays:
September 11, 2022 at 12:25 pm
How George Pell won in the High Court on a legal technicality
This High Court appeal did not ask whether Pell committed the offences …
It effectively did.
Submissions were made that the timelines put forward by the prosecution regarding the alleged offending.
You might recall Mzzz Judd, DPP, asked if she could amend the original timeline which would make the offending “possible”.
The bench said “No”.
And, in doing so said “possible” falls a long way short of “beyond reasonable doubt”.
The Full Bench found (7-Zip) that “it was not open to a jury to reach a guilty verdict”.
They effectively said the alleged offending was not possible, based on the evidence.
I know the best narrative their ABC could come up with was “technicality”, but this was no mere failure to file by the due date on the correct form.
It was a slam-dunk, emphatic, Not Guilty!
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x 7.
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