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  1. Rugby league terrifier Gorden Tallis on why booing is just fine (the Tele):

    Gorden Tallis has jumped the defence of fans who booed Latrell Mitchell in Penrith’s win over South Sydney at Accor Stadium.

    Tallis says the crowd is entitled to express themselves at games within reason and believes fans have the right to boo players.

    “It’s not right and are Penrith (fans) wrong, yes. But do they have a right to boo? I think they do. I actually think when you pay the money, if they’re not overstepping the line, and I don’t think booing (is) … I don’t want the crowd to go woke in our game and you want them to go and boo,” Tallis said on Triple M.

    Bravo, Mr Tallis. The Behavioural Awareness Officers the AFL employed after someone called an umpire ‘a bald-headed flog’ because he was a bald-headed flog should never again grace the light of day anywhere in this fine country.


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  2. Socialists love trains. Sneakers is about to open the Airport line of his Metronet boondoggle. Can’t see too many FIFO lining up to get public transport to the airport somehow. People out in Caversham might use it after being promised one in the last four or five elections.


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  3. Earlier:

    Toowoomba’s Wellcamp Airport could transform into a major satellite launch hub as Virgin Orbit explores the site’s potential as a centre for space innovation.

    Razey-san:

    Perfect. They can use slave labor from the ‘quarantine camp’.

    Which would be fine, if there was anyone in it.


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  4. Are you stealing valor here? It doesn’t quite sound like the “Lucky Motel”.

    It is a hotel. Despite some similarities, they are entirely different types of business.
    Different industrial award, different industry association, different LVR, different worker’s comp rate, different insurance premiums, and not least; A vastly different management skillset.


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  5. Perfect. They can use slave labor from the ‘quarantine camp’.

    Which would be fine, if there was anyone in it.

    You just get the feeling this will end up over at the Duelling thread.


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  6. Perfect. They can use slave labor from the ‘quarantine camp’.
    Which would be fine, if there was anyone in it.

    Perhaps it will fill up with Land Tax delinquents.


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  7. KD, did you see the Pom crickit fans are popping circuit breakers over a Mankad event in the ladeees crickit.
    I used to think it was (ahem) a ‘dog act’.
    Now, in limited overs and T20, I kind of thinking backing up 2-3 metres is a little bit cheaty.


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  8. You just get the feeling this will end up over at the Duelling thread.

    Wouldn’t think so. It’s undeniable. It’s empty, and w as $120 million, cattle-car-free gasless white elephant they are now – as indicated much earlier, not by me but others – that it would end up as something completely different. Which it did.

    Worst global conspiracy outcome ever.


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  9. w as $120 million, cattle-car-free gasless white elephant they are now

    Apologies. Was typing while trying to dig out the duelling gloves.

    Key points:

    Multi-million dollar spend.
    White elephant.
    Was always going to be repurposed.
    Repurposed.

    A cynical bloke would be looking at who owns the land Wellcamp’s on, and how much the lease cost – and is costing.


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  10. I’m prepared to challenge this statement:

    It’s empty, and w as $120 million, cattle-car-free gasless white elephant

    AFAIK it is (to date) a $240 million white elephant.


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  11. Worst global conspiracy outcome ever.

    Well, what else was I meant to think?
    Sure, it didn’t make sense, and it would be redundant before it was complete.
    The one thing which didn’t occur to our resident Klaus watcher was that governments, particularly leftist governments, don’t give a shit about building stuff which actually has an end use.
    So he found an end use.
    A Concentration Camp for Jab Recalcitrants.
    But for Palace-Chook, it didn’t have to have any useful purpose once complete. The end was the building jerbs and largesse to be farmed out to friendly contractors during construction.


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  12. Sad news

    Made do without arms from the age of three.
    I remember seeing this and thinking “this drought and being near bankrupt is nothing now”.

    Andy Detwiler passed away the other day.
    Cancer.


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  13. I remember the quarantine camps discussions.
    Other than China, did a single country build large scale permanent or even temporary quarantine ‘camps’?
    In fact most were easing and ending covid lockdowns and restrictions when Australian states ie Queensland and Victoria were building their white elephants.
    It was obvious.
    That might even warrant an uptick for NSW who iirc never went there.


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  14. I’d never heard of this bloke. A quick search:

    Andy, who had close to 130,000 subscribers on his channel, lost his arms in an accident when he was just four years old, and he became popular thanks to his skills with his feet. The YouTuber had taught himself to perform various essential activities like driving and eating with his feet.

    Any person who landed on Andy’s YouTube channel was often left marvelling at how the accomplished farmer was able to make use of his feet for so many diverse activities.

    This bloke was apparently an active farmer. Not just ‘do this one thing for the camera’ farmer, but did all the yards. That’s hard enough yakka as it is, let alone a) doing it with your feet and b) not bitching about it all the way through.

    A better man than me.


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  15. In fact most were easing and ending covid lockdowns and restrictions when Australian states ie Queensland and Victoria were building their white elephants.

    Yep.
    Stupid.
    Wasteful.
    Irresponsible.
    All of those things.
    But not the Auschwitz thing.
    Jeez, the whole thing was a money-shovelling competition.
    No-one cared whether the spending was effective or efficient.
    The spending was an end in itself.


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  16. It’s early days.

    However, I will advance the opinion that the introduction of the Duelling Thread was a masterstroke.

    It is the exact equivalent of Dad driving the car on a longish country trip, and with kids fighting in the back. Dad finally has enough, and goes ‘Right!’ Stops the car, and lines the kids up on the side of the road.

    ‘You want to fight? Off you go then! Let’s see it.’ The now-downcast kids shuffle their feet a bit with a bit of ‘yeah, but’, and then…. nothing. An exercise in human psychology.

    I am well aware I will more than likely end up there at some point. However, that doesn’t make it less good.


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  17. You expect us to believe that you were watching closely if folks were eating white, wholemeal or even rye.

    Yes.
    It is a free country, & you’re all free to make your own dining choices.
    However I recommend your think very carefully before opting for a restaurant that has no idea what is going on.

    I’ll go out on a limb & without any supporting evidence, state that nobody on Catallaxy would opt to eat at a place that has no interest whatsoever in what people prefer to eat.

    When we put out a breakfast buffet, which is every day of our lives, we keep a close eye (watch like a “Hawk” you might say) what gets eaten, which demographic eats it, & why they ate it.


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  18. Knuckle Draggersays:

    September 25, 2022 at 9:41 pm

    It’s early days.

    However, I will advance the opinion that the introduction of the Duelling Thread was a masterstroke.

    Quite so.
    I’ll let you pass on the news to Kenn Worth Road Ranger, though.


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  19. IMO Victoria is stuffed. Sunday and flight was delayed which regrettably isn’t unusual but was struck by the lack of sense of urgency to make time, landed MEL zero sense of urgency from ground staff, zero sense of urgency anywhere. Trains replaced by busses so trip to temp home even longer.

    Where’s Matt? Hospitals stuffed, ambulance times stuffed, public transport being run into ground. All ALP “strengths” apparently. Plenty to attack but oppositions seem impotent. Honestly Liberal Party just needs to die and let someone else have a go…


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  20. Indigenous voice to echo across policy

    Rosie Lewis
    Political Correspondent
    @rosieslewis
    Paul Garvey
    4 minutes ago September 25, 2022
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    The Indigenous voice to parliament will advise on issues such as domestic violence, housing, childcare, land rights and other policies that have a “direct effect” on Aboriginal Australians – but not in areas such as defence or taxation.

    As supporters of an Indigenous voice to parliament launch a nat­ionwide advertising campaign on Monday to promote the yes vote for a referendum to be held in the current term of parliament, Indigenous Affairs Minister Linda Burney said the body would advise on issues of direct relevance to ­Aboriginal people. It might also scrutinise relevant bills being proposed by political parties before they are introduced to parliament.

    The legislation could belong to any political party or independent MP, not just the government of the day.

    “If the voice is advising parliament, then it’s advising parliament,” Ms Burney said.

    She said there was a clear difference between the voice and the abolished Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission: while ATSIC allocated money and delivered programs, the voice would be an advisory body to parliament.

    “Things like land rights legislation, things like native title, things like cultural water allocations, things like, for example, childcare,” she told Sky News.

    “It won’t be on things like taxation or defence and some of the other nonsense that’s been spouted in the last few weeks.

    “It will be absolutely on issues that affect directly the lives of First Nations people and one of the keys for this is focusing particularly on Closing the Gap targets.”

    In an interview with The Australian, Ms Burney on Sunday expanded on the remit: “For example, domestic violence. We’re going to have a separate First Nations strategy. We’ve also got to be very conscious we’ve got the Coalition of Peaks (bodies). The role of the voice is not to usurp any of that but to provide advice to parliament on things specifically to do with First Nations people.

    “Think about housing. Within that, there’s a component of decisions to be made around First Nat­ions housing. It’s not like this thing (Peter) Dutton’s saying where it’s everything that affects Aboriginal people, it’s where there is a specific impact.”

    The yes case advertisements, which will be run across TV, social media and online platforms, feature Indigenous playwright and actor Trevor Jamieson and are part of a broader “History is calling” campaign from the Uluru Statement Group, which has received strong financial backing from some of Australia’s largest companies.

    The advertisement features Jam­ieson telling children a story around a campfire about how Indigenous Australians achieved a voice to parliament with the help of people across the country.

    His story is woven with scenes in which non-Indigenous Australians tell their children why they voted in favour of the change.

    Megan Davis, co-chair of the Uluru Dialogue, told The Australian’s Growth Agenda: “We hope this ad will encourage Australians to learn more and support a First Nations voice to parliament.’’

    The advertisement was developed after extensive consultation with a large group of diverse ­people from across the nation.

    Professor Davis said the list of things to avoid from their perspective was universally agreed. “We don’t like cliches. We don’t like dots. We don’t like the Opera House with things projected on it. We don’t like boomerangs. We were very opinionated about things not being cliched,” she said.

    Uluru statement leader Roy Ah-See said the launch of the ad was the start of a bigger campaign in the lead-up to the referendum.

    “We need to shift and we need to move it along now and start to engage with non-Aboriginal Australia,” he said. “And we need to engage in a positive way, rather than using stuff that divides us.

    “We have to stay upbeat, we have to be positive. So yes, you can see a lot more positive campaigning coming and you’ll see a lot more upbeat messages of hope.”

    In Canberra, 50 Australians who form the Albanese government’s referendum working and engagement groups – including Marcia Langton, Tom Calma, Professor Davis, Noel Pearson, Mick Gooda and Tanya Hosch – will formally meet at Parliament House on Thursday to discuss ­details of the voice and the timing of the referendum.

    After the Queen’s death delayed the gathering’s first meeting, a 20-member working group will help the government finalise best timing to conduct a referendum and the constitutional amendment and question put to the Australian people and discuss what campaigns and messages are needed to succeed.

    The larger engagement group, which incorporates members of the working group, will try to build understanding, aware­ness and support for the referendum and have representatives from land councils, local governments and community organisations.

    The final Indigenous voice co-design process report by Professor Langton and Professor Calma recommended it be made up of 24 members, including five representing remote regions and one member representing the significant number of Torres Strait ­Islanders living on the mainland.

    Ms Burney was less prescriptive, committing only to representation of Torres Strait Islanders and young people.

    The Langton-Calma report also recommended voice members be able to engage early with MPs before bills are introduced to parliament.

    “What seems to be lost on everyone is at the end of the day it will be the parliament that will determine the shape and the role of the voice,” Ms Burney said.

    “It’s up to how the parliament wants to use the advisory body and what the advisory body feels is appropriate. It’s not up to me to say ‘This is what it will be’, it’s up to me to consult, listen to the views of the Prime Minister, cabinet, parliament, the views of the Australian people both Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal and various sectors – we’ve got really good support from the business sector, the faith sector has been fabulous. The union sector.

    “It’s about reaching out, and not getting ahead of ourselves.”

    While the Albanese government has promised to hold a referendum on whether to enshrine a voice to parliament in the Constitution in this term of parliament, Ms Burney on Sunday would not commit to a specific timeframe.

    The debate to date has featured criticism of the plan by Indigenous senators Jacinta Nampijinpa Price of the Country Liberal Party and the Greens’ Lidia Thorpe, as well as concerns over the detail of just how it will operate.



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  21. “It’s about reaching out, and not getting ahead of ourselves.”

    Buy that story & you’ll just love the brochure I’ve got on fixed structures that span rivers & can stand the weight of fully-laden motor lorries.


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  22. Caught a touch of play school this morning..
    Who knew it was vital to turn 2 minutes of a 5 minute “ walk through the bush” with Dollie’s skit into an infomercial about “ cultural burning”….

    RABZ it now.


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  23. Buy that story & you’ll just love the brochure I’ve got on fixed structures that span rivers & can stand the weight of fully-laden motor lorries.

    What’s this – the fifth attempt to set up an Aboriginal advisory “Voice” to Parliament?


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  24. Anyway “Sliante” to all you hairy mob.

    A mystery collector bought Adolf Hitler’s watch. Who would do that?
    By Luke Benedictus
    September 23, 2022 — 1.53pm

    Do inanimate objects have a memory? Can they store experiential information in some metaphysical form? I’m not posing this cosmological head-scratcher for my own benefit, you understand. It’s more for the mystery buyer who bought Adolf Hitler’s wristwatch last month for $US1.1 million.

    Made by the Swiss brand Huber, with a swivelling caseback similar to a Jaeger-LeCoultre Reverso, the watch isn’t shy about its ownership. The case is engraved with a bold swastika lacquered in red, white and black. Stamped directly below this are the initials of the man responsible for orchestrating the systematic murder of six million Jews.

    Alexander Historical Auctions in Maryland in the US, which sanctioned the sale of Hitler’s watch, has refused to disclose the buyer’s identity. All it has revealed is that it was bought by a “European Jew” – info presumably shared to reassure people that it wasn’t snapped up by some goose-stepping loon.

    The sale of Hitler’s watch is hardly surprising given the crazed market for watches with famous provenance. Over the years, auctioneers have hammered off everything from Albert Einstein’s Longines ($US596,000 in 2008) to JFK’s Omega Slimline ($US350,000). Prospective buyers of celebrity wristwear do tend to need deep pockets, though. The Rolex Daytona belonging to Paul Newman sold in 2017 for $US17.8 million.



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  25. Rick w

    The RBA may have negative equity, but it’s not “broke” in the non-government sense of the word. It’s a simple accounting entry from the government (budget) to the RBA to replenish the balance sheet. It’s a non-issue.


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  26. It’s a simple accounting entry from the government (budget) to the RBA to replenish the balance sheet. It’s a non-issue.

    That’s what I thought, but you would think it would have got a bit more coverage?


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  27. Sat by the Ouse drinking cider this afternoon. Some swans were swimming around by the bridge with four very large cygnets. Meanwhile a hopeful angler had his line in the murky water. I don’t think I’d like anything taken out of that river.

    York Minster is remarkable both for its size and medieval glass, much of which has been restored. I don’t think it rivals Chartres in colour and brilliance, but it’s still marvellous. York itself was packed, being a Sunday. The Shambles was fun, but way too many people and too many cheap Chinese “souvenirs”. All the little half-timbered buildings seem to be holding each other up. Which makes sense as in York there’s a pub for every day of the year.

    Cheek by jowl with the buskers are the beggars. Yes, York has beggars – the hotel in which we are staying used to be an almshouse, so nothing really changes.


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  28. so many are dumb & blind

    Roger Stone, an adviser to former President Donald Trump, has said there is “a group of politicized thugs at the top of the FBI who are using the FBI … as Joe Biden‘s personal Gestapo.” A majority (53%) of voters now agree with Stone’s statement – up from 46% in December – including 34% who Strongly Agree. Thirty-six percent (36%) disagree with the quote from Stone, including 26% who Strongly Disagree.



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  29. Erin Molan must have some sort of titanium contract with Skah.

    There’s an ad for her latest offering after the utter and abject failure of at least two ‘projects’. This one apparently deals with people who are unkind – to her, it would seem – on social media.

    Said ad has her wielding a styrofoam sledgehammer, and using it to smash a sheet of glass or perspex or something positioned between her and the camera before looking sternly out at the viewing public.

    The show’s called ‘Haters Online’. Well I’m online, and I hate it.


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  30. KD I sure was disappointed the cheats got beaten by the sub continental truck drivers in shit and giggle. The truckies had the advantage with the hole in the floor.


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  31. Duncan Halse the Labor member for Ringwood retires at this election. He has a toddler so not aged related, I think there was a little scandal, anyhow he’s out and there is a new stale pale male candidate Will Fowles, who was member for Burwood, now abolished,and has had some scandals of his own, running against a lib female.
    Classic Labor, grew up in Hawthorn attended Scotch College, Monash University..


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  32. Crazy cat lady.

    Next year Duke University Press is scheduled to publish Marx For Cats: A Radical Bestiary, by Leigh Claire La Berge, who teaches at Free University of Berlin.

    “In offering a feline narrative of our economic past, I argue that Marxism not only has the potential to be an interspecies project but that it already is one. And in using that knowledge and those histories presented here in cat-form, I suggest that we may collectively plot a new future together, one which recognizes the work that cats have always done for Marxists and one which wonders: what political commitments can Marxists make to cats?”

    Now I know what you’re thinking: Surely this is yet another Sokal Hoax. Nope—Prof. La Berge is a for-real leftist

    And Now Get Ready for . . . Feline Marxism? | Power Line (25 Sep)

    I can foresee that her future will feature lots and lots of cats. As for Marxism the usual thing it offers to cats is being eaten by hungry proles.


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  33. I sure was disappointed the cheats got beaten by the sub continental truck drivers in shit and giggle.

    The Mumbai Mack Drivers were also advantaged by the continuing appearance of that Peter Garrett impersonator and avid Chai-nerr fan Steve Smith. The sooner he sooks his way to early retirement the better.


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  34. Classic Labor, grew up in Hawthorn attended Scotch College, Monash University.

    So not at all a white privileged male then?

    Sixty Labour Members Attend Anti-Monarchy Event Slamming King Charles as ‘White Privileged Male’ (25 Sep)

    Sixty Labour members including a Member of Parliament attended a ‘Labour for the Republic’ event where King Charles III was slammed as a “white privileged male”.

    Paging Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer, Knight Commander of the Order of the Bath, for comment.


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  35. Overnight:

    A mystery collector bought Adolf Hitler’s watch. Who would do that?

    From a purely military perspective, I can potentially see why a collector with sufficient coin would want Dolfy’s watch.

    Hitler insisted on having the Reich – unlike the British and any other empire – remaining on Berlin time. This watch, assuming it’s not a forgery, would have been worn and used by him to count down the kickoff of Operation Barbarossa in 1941, which ultimately brought down the vun tousand year Reich, his ideology and himself.

    On the eastern Front alone, his insistence on everything being two hours behind caused immense drama and logistical nightmares. I don’t want his watch, but I can see why some people would.


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  36. Bruce of Newcastlesays:
    September 26, 2022 at 7:01 am
    Classic Labor, grew up in Hawthorn attended Scotch College, Monash University.

    So not at all a white privileged male then?

    Sixty Labour Members Attend Anti-Monarchy Event Slamming King Charles as ‘White Privileged Male’ (25 Sep)

    Sixty Labour members including a Member of Parliament attended a ‘Labour for the Republic’ event where King Charles III was slammed as a “white privileged male”.

    Paging Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer, Knight Commander of the Order of the Bath, for comment.

    Every one of them would line up to receive a Gong.


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  37. The Sook showed what a weak leader he was by getting involved with the Houso ranga and sandpaper. All the bowlers knew what was going on each time they touched the ball. The whole team should have been sacked.


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  38. Classic Labor, grew up in Hawthorn attended Scotch College, Monash University..

    But Rosie he knew someone who was disadvantaged, well passed them in the street after crossing the road in case some of the dirt became dislodged.


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  39. The whole team should have been sacked.

    Potentially. The bowlers (now known, in the current vernacular as ‘the bowling group’) certainly knew. Every bowler who’s ever bowled will give the pill a look walking back to the run-up start point, and on the turn. They know – they know – what normal wear and tear is, and what isn’t.

    That said, if you sack the lot it creates a flood of muddy water and litigation for years, given the earn these blokes are getting out of the game. The coach, Lehmann – one of the most prolific Shield batsmen ever, and who was undoubtedly unlucky not to have played 50 more Tests than he did because of the talent in the Australian top order at the time – jumped before he was pushed, and was in on the giggle.


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  40. Bancroft, who had the sandpaper in the jocks and who tried to convince the umpires he was using a sunglasses cover instead – is viewed by many as a vulnerable relatively new addition to the team who was coerced by Warner. That’s a load of shit – Bancroft was 26 years old at the time, an experienced Shield player and knew exactly what he was doing, which was ingratiating himself with the ‘in’ crowd consisting of Warner, Smith and the coach.

    The mid-on and mid-off fieldsmen are known as the ‘ball managers’ because they take responsibility for the pill’s condition before it gets to the bowler. Nothing wrong with that, unless your name is Warner and you’re orchestrating a campaign of deliberate dishonesty. Little hand signals were exchanged whenever Warner believed that pill needed a bit more dusting up on one side.


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  41. weet
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    Dr John Simpson PhD MBE (RGJ)
    @_DrJohnSimpson_
    Teach your children about socialism by making them clean the bathroom.

    Then, pay them £10.

    Then, take back £7 from them.

    And give that £7 to another sibling, who didn’t do any of the work.

    I bet your children won’t be socialists for long. ? This was further down in the tweets lotocoti. Says it all.


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  42. Knuckle Draggersays:

    September 26, 2022 at 7:57 am

    The whole team should have been sacked.

    Potentially. The bowlers (now known, in the current vernacular as ‘the bowling group’) certainly knew

    If you don’t believe that, try doing something to the ball they don’t like.
    Firstly, they notice it.
    Secondly, they carry on like you dropped their first-born onto concrete.
    Yes, when the ball hits the pad and rolls across lush green grass to Bancroft and comes back with one side looking like it has been dragged a mile down a dirt road … they know.


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  43. So Few People Are Getting the Fifth Jab That We Should Expect the Imminent Surge of Fearmongering

    To counter this, it appears the powers-that-be are pushing for a new round of Pandemic Panic Theater. One way they may try to do this is by spreading the new subvariant to Omicron, BA.2.75.2. This subvariant, already spreading fast across India and popping up in other nations, including the United States, is five times more antibody-evasive than other variants and subvariants. Whether one has been jabbed or has had a previous strain of Covid-19, including the current prominent strain of BA.5, this new subvariant appears to sidestep immunity.



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  44. Only [5] days left to save the Daily Exposé.
    Get on it folks.

    Sancho, I usually don’t bother with your cute replies but just one point – unlike many other publications, you can always read their articles for free simply by simply closing the request for support. If that’s too much trouble, then don’t.

    Whether you agree with their analysis or not, it’s always based on official data with a link to the source. I would suggest you actually read the one about children, which starts –

    At the end of August, we exclusively revealed that official mortality figures for Europe showed a shocking 691% increase in excess deaths among children up to week 33 of 2022 since the European Medicines Agency extended the emergency use authorisation of the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine for use in children aged 12 to 15 in May 2021.

    Our investigation has since forced the European Union’s official statistics department to begin a Europe-wide investigation into why there has been a significant increase in excess deaths among children aged 0 to 14.

    It seems to me that if they can succeed in pressuring the E.U. into investigating their efforts might just be worthwhile – might even be worth supporting.


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  45. I had the remainder of that rant Internal Server Errored.

    Suffice to say that none of those three should have been permitted to have any involvement in the game, at any level for the remainder of their lives.

    This will be a stain on the game that will only be partially removed when all three have retired, preferable after some form of ladyboy scandal.


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  46. The Head of Pfizer is a Veterinarian

    Albert Bourla is a veterinarian and not a medical doctor who is making a fortune selling his vaccines, not for animals – but people. He is the chairman and chief executive officer of Pfizer, after joining the company back in 1993. He use to be the chief operating officer.

    He has COVID again. It seems that those who took the vaccine are developing immune deficiency to COVID like Biden who keeps getting it multiple times. I am not vaccinated, had it once, and that was it. When my daughter insisted I should go to Tampa Hospital to see the head of pulmonary, I said I was tested 5 times and it was always negative. He said the tests were not valid and they still think it was COVID. I went to a new doctor after my old one retired, when he asked if I was vaccinated and I said NO!, I was waiting for the propaganda. He said – Good!

    Since this veterinarian tells the world we must be vaccinated, he seems to then listen to the CDC on how to take his own shit. When history is written about this period, I do not think it will be kind to this veterinarian handing out medical advice to people.

    I would always make sure my kids were vaccinated. I would take the flu shot sometimes. Now, I will not take anything that comes from Pfizer. I would not trust this guy, especially with my dog. No wonder – he never had to take the Hippocratic Oath.

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/disease/the-head-of-pfizer-is-a-veterinarian/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS


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  47. Whether you agree with their analysis or not, it’s always based on official data with a link to the source.

    And, as Dr F and others frequently point out, what follows is a maths and stats abortion.

    I would suggest you actually read the one about children, which starts –

    I’ll pass thanks.
    Once a site has been proven beyond doubt to be full of shit, I tend to avoid.
    But I might buy him a cup of coffee.
    Maybe.


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  48. Rogersays:

    September 26, 2022 at 8:41 am

    What’s Mark Knight’s ‘toon all about then?

    AFL.
    Cats eating Swans alive.
    One of the empty Swans jumpers – jerseys to you – is number 23, Buddy Franklin.
    I predict Buddy will play until about Round 5-6 next year and retire due to “chronic injury”.


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  49. Rogersays:

    September 26, 2022 at 8:57 am

    Cats & swans, eh?

    All sounds a bit naff to me.

    Oh, it was.
    After the first ten minutes it was like watching a truck repeatedly backing over roadkill.
    And shitting on it through the hole in the floor.


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  50. I’m an Optus customer – anyone but Telstra – and I still haven’t been contacted by them re the data spill.

    I suppose that might mean I’m not affected, but it seems to me this is an object lesson in how not to manage such a PR disaster.

    That the CEO reportedly does not turn her phone on until 8.30am each day possibly goes some way to explaining the 24 hour delay in going public.


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  51. Q: Are other bat coronaviruses posing a threat to human health, even to the extent that new vaccines ought to be developed as recently suggested here?

    A: This is yet another example of great scientists drawing the wrong conclusions. It is completely distracting us from the real issue, which is the increasing resistance of the ever-evolving circulating Omicron subvariants to all potentially neutralizing antibodies (Abs) in vaccinees no longer showing overt symptoms of C-19 disease. This unprecedented phenomenon will soon put tremendous pressure on the virulence-inhibiting activity of the infection-enhancing antibodies. Unless I am stupid, this is now rapidly paving the way for a global health disaster as always predicted.

    What is the conclusion of these authors and why are they so wrong in advocating for new vaccines?

    They conclude: ‘Critically, our findings highlight the urgent need to continue development of new, and broader-protecting sarbecovirus vaccines’ or: ‘Taken together, these results demonstrate that new recombinant sarbecoviruses may pose a threat to current SARS-CoV-2 vaccines.’

    Questions should never be addressed at whether findings pose a threat to a vaccine but rather whether they pose a threat to (global) health! It is not because a virus can enter human cells and is resistant to Abs elicited against a heterologous spike (S) protein (originating from C-19 vaccines!) that it poses a threat to human health! What about viral virulence and the capacity of those bat coronaviruses to subvert the human innate immune system? If that capacity is low, then the human innate immune system will take care of it, just like it does in the bat! And even if the innate immune system would not achieve full viral clearance, it is highly unlikely that the remaining virus-infected cells or viral particles would not be removed in due time by MHC-unrestricted cytotoxic lymphocytes (CTLs) or newly induced Abs, respectively (unless the virus is highly infectious and invariably causes symptomatic infection!). In that regard, it is interesting to cite the authors’ own words : ‘the Khosta bat sarbecoviruses are genetically distinct from human SARS-CoVs in that they lack genetic information encoding for some of the genes thought to antagonize the immune system and contribute to pathogenicity, such as Orf8’. Well, Orf8 is known to primarily affect the host’s innate immune defense.

    It is so wrong when scientists jump to conclusions that are merely based on their insights into a single scientific discipline (in this case, virology). Furthermore, it is highly likely that even vaccinees would be protected against the Khosta coronaviruses as they are now increasingly contracting breakthrough infections caused by new Omicron variants. The very authors of this publication are reporting data showing enhanced neutralization capacity in sera from vaccinees experiencing a vaccine breakthrough infection caused by the first reported Omicron variant (B.1.1.529). However, vaccine breakthrough infections caused by less distant Omicron subvariants (e.g., BA.2-derived) have been shown to elicit much broader cross-neutralizing capacity directed at more conserved S protein-associated domains.

    Hence, trained innate immunity in the unvaccinated and more frequent breakthrough infections by less distant Omicron subvariants (e.g., BA.2- or BA.4/5-derived) in vaccinees almost certainly obviate the need for any global health concern related to new coronaviruses that zealous researchers may (continue to) detect in bats. Potential public/ global health concerns should never be based on virological or epidemiological findings only! Based upon the immunological considerations explained above, there is indeed no reason to believe that productive spill-over of bat coronaviruses or other animal coronaviruses to the human species cannot be controlled by natural immunity and ultimately be tamed by herd immunity as happened with other coronaviruses (i.e., common human coronaviruses, including types 229E, NL63, OC43, and HKU1) that primarily cause asymptomatic or mild to moderate infections in the human population . The C-19 mass vaccination program has clearly illustrated that vaccination does not work in an environment where the virus rapidly spreads and merely promotes natural selection and expansion in prevalence of viral variants that escape potentially neutralizing vaccine-induced Abs. No vaccine technology is currently capable of competing with the type of protective immunity that a pandemic confers to the population. The resulting herd immunity is typically broadly protective and sterilizing and therefore dramatically reduces viral transmission. No single vaccine can provide protective population immunity when used during a pandemic. Mass vaccination campaigns result in a type of population immunity that has exactly the opposite effect in that they promote viral transmission by virtue of natural selection of more infectious immune escape variants. As trained innate immunity is a cornerstone of herd immunity, all efforts to protect the population should focus on enabling herd immunity in ways that keep hospitalization and morbidity rates as low as possible. Vaccines will ultimately have the opposite effect whereas strengthening the population’s innate immune system (via healthy lifestyle) while avoiding overcrowding combined with early outpatient treatment of those with a weakened innate immune system (e.g., the elderly and those with underlying disease) are the holy grail for effectively and rapidly driving the virus into endemicity and minimizing the toll on human lives.

    Last, it is interesting how the peer-reviewed literature continues to deny the impact of the C-19 mass vaccination program on SARS-CoV-2 immune escape. The authors of this paper seem to have found an elegant way to escape censorship by phrase the threat of immune escape as follows: ‘As individuals receive additional SARS-CoV-2 vaccine boosters and SARS-CoV-2 continues to circulate, new viral variants emerge that can alter and broaden the immune response to sarbecoviruses’!


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  52. lotocoti says:
    September 26, 2022 at 7:53 am
    Arise ye workers from your slumbers,
    Bib Boy is here to seize the means of production.

    That was really funny. The Bib Boy thinks that the rich have to live in his high tax heaven, he will find out that they go to no tax havens and take their money with them.

    I was disappointed at the lack of nose rings and inked skin.


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  53. Rogersays:

    September 26, 2022 at 9:03 am

    I’m an Optus customer – anyone but Telstra – and I still haven’t been contacted by them re the data spill.

    Data spill. The correct term.

    I suppose that might mean I’m not affected, but it seems to me this is an object lesson in how not to manage such a PR disaster.

    I think it will turn into a financial disaster. You are obviously aware of it, but I can see the banks going Optus for fraudulent transactions during the period they failed to directly advise customers.

    That the CEO reportedly does not turn her phone on until 8.30am each day possibly goes some way to explaining the 24 hour delay in going public.

    Oh, I know the type. A “Presidential, I don’t sweat the small stuff style”.
    Which is code for “never give her bad news”.
    And you can also bet that “IT Security” was batting well down the order on the Exec Committee agendas, coming in behind “Diversity”, “Inclusion” and “Rainbow Initiative”, and often not getting a bat at all.


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  54. Has anyone got the date for the next End Of The World?

    Well if you go from Deut 7:9, multiply by 20 and deduct about 3,400 that gets you 16,622AD.

    9 Know therefore that the Lord your God is God; he is the faithful God, keeping his covenant of love to a thousand generations of those who love him and keep his commandments.

    After pointing this out a few times the JWs stopped visiting. I suspect I’m on their black list.


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  55. I think it will turn into a financial disaster. You are obviously aware of it, but I can see the banks going Optus for fraudulent transactions during the period they failed to directly advise customers.

    Millenials don’t follow msm.

    Some of them will still be blissfully unaware of what’s happened.

    If this doesn’t turn in to a personal disaster for the CEO I’ll be most disappointed.


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  56. H B Bearsays:
    September 26, 2022 at 9:28 am
    Teh Paywallian thinks it’s time for Dave Rennie to spring a surprise. Perhaps a Wallabies win?

    The look of despair from the Wobblies except the Pacific Island members was pitiful, but don’t worry the rest get a heap of dough for playing badly.


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  57. Daily Mail.

    Italy lurches to the far-Right in political earthquake: Exit poll finds ‘anti-woke’ Giorgia Meloni is set to win elections and become the country’s first female PM as EU state braces for its most right-wing government since Mussolini

    Giorgia Meloni, 45, who ran on a motto of ‘God, country and family’, will become Italy’s first female PM
    The Brothers of Italy party, headed by the one-time Mussolini supporter, had earlier led opinion polls
    Exit poll now says the bloc of conservative parties have enough votes to control of both houses of parliament
    It looks set to take office in a coalition with the far-right League and Silvio Berlusconi’s Forza Italia parties



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  58. An ex government agency head became unemployed. The esteem with which his staff held him was reflected in a job offer of an APS 5. Has recently taken a job in private enterprise as a middle manager. His new employer must think he knows something. I’ve got news. This is indicative of the uselessness of Government. He is not the only one in this position.


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  59. JCsays:

    September 26, 2022 at 9:37 am

    Sanchez

    Have Optus customers actually lost money from the breach?

    We don’t know.
    But the spill contained enough info to open accounts, except for photo ID.
    I am suggesting that if someone used that data to access my accounts between the time of the data spill and the time Optus directly warned me, I think the bank might have a case against Optus.


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  60. EU state braces for its most right-wing government since Mussolini

    All of the other governments must’ve been pretty lefty then, since Mussolini was a far-left totalitarian.

    (If you could mine all this gaslighting Europe wouldn’t have a gas shortage.)


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  61. Italy lurches to the far-Right in political earthquake: Exit poll finds ‘anti-woke’ Giorgia Meloni is set to win elections and become the country’s first female PM as EU state braces for its most right-wing government since Mussolini

    Ursula mit die Karenhair’s comments were obviously received well in Italy then.


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  62. Sorry, one of the local “elders” has gravely assured me that Aboriginals were barred from schools in the 1960’s – I asked him whether the scions of the prominent Noongar clans I went to school with, in the 1960’s, were figments of my imagination..


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  63. Roger says:
    September 26, 2022 at 9:03 am
    I’m an Optus customer – anyone but Telstra – and I still haven’t been contacted by them re the data spill.

    I suppose that might mean I’m not affected, but it seems to me this is an object lesson in how not to manage such a PR disaster.

    Roger, I got my email on Saturday and thought some of their advice was way too late, eg:

    One item says ” Look out for contact from scammers who may have your personal information. This may include suspicious emails, texts, phone calls or messages on social media”. If this was only as a result of a hack then they have been hacked long ago, I have been getting emails for ages purporting to be from Optus. Then there were emails from various banks with whom I don’t have accounts.

    Strange phone calls I lay at the feet of COVID checkins everywhere last year where we had to provide our phone numbers. I started getting strange text messages in the last couple of weeks which leads me to believe the hack may have occurred much earlier than they noticed.


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  64. DIY tattoo patches

    Instead of sitting in a tattoo parlour for hours enduring painful punctures you can now DIY your own tattoo – and not in a “my cousin Steve can do it in his kitchen, don’t worry he’s only had three beers” kind of way.

    Researchers at the Georgia Institute of Technology have developed low-cost, painless, and bloodless tattoos that can be self-administered with a skin patch containing microscopic needles. Microneedle tech is nothing new. It’s been used to painlessly administer drugs and vaccines to the skin without the need for hypodermic needles for years.

    But used in tattoos, it could have applications from medical alerts to tracking neutered animals to cosmetics.

    “We’ve miniaturized the needle so that it’s painless, but still effectively deposits tattoo ink in the skin,” principal investigator on the paper Mark Prausnitz said. “This could be a way not only to make medical tattoos more accessible, but also to create new opportunities for cosmetic tattoos because of the ease of administration.

    “The goal isn’t to replace all tattoos, which are often works of beauty created by tattoo artists. Our goal is to create new opportunities for patients, pets, and people who want a painless tattoo that can be easily administered.”

    What could possibly go wrong?!


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  65. In January 2020, Giorgia Meloni called for a travel ban with China. She was called an alarmist and a racist by the government, by Macron, by Merkel.

    Then she spent the next two years fighting lockdowns, fighting the green pass, fighting compulsory vaccination.

    Now she is PM.

    Things like this make me wonder what’s wrong with Australia, when was the last time we did a U-turn away from stupidity?


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  66. Bruce of Newcastlesays:

    September 26, 2022 at 9:28 am

    Has anyone got the date for the next End Of The World?

    Well if you go from Deut 7:9, multiply by 20 and deduct about 3,400 that gets you 16,622AD.

    You’re new to doomsaying, aren’t you?


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  67. rosiesays:

    September 26, 2022 at 10:05 am

    I pasted the text I got from optus last night, last night.
    If someone does open a bank account in my name how I am supposed to know, which bank?

    It is more the use of the data to create authentic looking communications to get you to give account access, or they just drain the account or card you have given Optus.


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  68. Things like this make me wonder what’s wrong with Australia, when was the last time we did a U-turn away from stupidity?

    2013.

    The powers that be did their best and wrested control back.


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  69. That the CEO reportedly does not turn her phone on until 8.30am each day possibly goes some way to explaining the 24 hour delay in going public.

    That’s sounds about right from how the Optus CEO behaved so far. She is not paid enormous amounts of money to have a favourable life/work balance. If she couldn’t hack it she should not be there. I want somebody responsible in charge of my personal details and she is not it. By appointing her the Board has a lot to answer for.

    Even a lowly supervisor like me has the phone on all the time so team members can let me know if their kid got sick overnight and they can’t come to work or similar circumstances. That a CEO of a huge corporation like Optus would cut off contact is unthinkable. Who does she think she is, Prime Minister of Finland?


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  70. Roger, I got my email on Saturday and thought some of their advice was way too late, eg:

    I got nothing.

    Either they’re super efficiently working out who’s personally affected or they’ve no idea.


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  71. If this doesn’t turn in to a personal disaster for the CEO I’ll be most disappointed.

    She should never be allowed to have another management position. She probably couldn’t get a job on the Myer cosmetics counter, she is not good at that either.


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  72. A businesswoman was taking a trip to Italy. While she was packing to go, her husband says “Gonna be in Italy for a week huh? You gonna bring one of those sexy Italian girls back for me” and kind of giggles. His wife doesn’t say anything. When he took her to the airport, again he says, kind of jokingly “man those Italian girls are gorgeous, your bringing one home for me right?” Then he kind of laughs it off again. The wife goes to Italy for a week. She gets home before her husband. When he comes home says hello, gives her a kiss. Jokingly he asks “Did you bring back that Italian girl I asked for??” His wife says “I don’t know. We’ll have to wait nine months and see”.


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  73. Bib Boy is here to seize the means of production.

    Love how he says there is a money tree – the top 1%.

    I wonder if he realises that if you start harvesting more and more of their money they will stop being rich and then how will you pay for these programs? Or does he think that when you take more of people’s money the void just fills with more money – like one of those wishes people make of genies in jokes where someone asks for a mug of Guinness that never empties.

    Looking at that guy(?) you can see the ferocity, the absolutely confidence in the ideology he has internalised, and that he can actually have experienced so little of what he wants to lecture us about.


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  74. The American 13% Strike Yet again – The African Jungles are calling, but perhaps the African Jungles don’t want them back?

    Shocking moment brazen brutes ransack Philadelphia Wawa store as they toss goods into the air, cackle and one TWERKS on a counter

    . A group of what appeared to be juveniles ransacked the Wawa convience store in Philadelphia’s Mayfair district on Saturday night
    .The crowd could be seen grabbing merchandise, throwing it across the store, screaming and twerking while others yelled at them
    . It was the latest of such incidents that have seen Wawa’s looted and ransacked throughout Philadelphia as robberies soar by more than 40 percent this year
    . The Wawa was previously hit by an armed suspect who also robbed another one of the store’s Philly locations this month


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  75. There is nothing radical about the Italian election. Looking at Meloni’s wiki bio, it appears that she’s done nothing much other than being a professional agitator from her early days. Even her educational levels are questionable. To me it appears to be same old, same old.

    Italy needs a massive internal devaluation through massive deregulation of its labour and goods markets. If it leaves the Euro the new currency will collapse to a smidgeon of its value.

    There’s no way around this unless they bite the bullet and I don’t believe that old society is prepared for this level of radicalism. A pity, as it’s headed down the mineshaft.

    She may surprise and appoint an economics minister with balls. But I doubt it.


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  76. “2013.

    The powers that be did their best and wrested control back.”

    My joy at the landslide electoral win in September 2013 didn’t last long, in fact it only took a few weeks before the disappointment set in. First was the appointment of Stott Despoja and then we all know what ensued, I won’t bother repeating it, it became a tsunami of disappointment. I now think the 2013 election was a complete fucking waste of time. It was all in vein. When I ponder the last eight and a half years, I’m left to wonder why we bothered and quite frankly, I won’t bother again. I will never trust the Liberal Party of Australia again.
    For almost a decade the Liberals and the Nationals have happily shat on their base and you know what? The Liberals and Nationals enjoy shitting on their base and it culminated in the disastrous November 2021 net zero emission’s decision, a catastrophic decision I think the Liberals will never ever be able to unravel from.

    And let me state here and now, whilst I acknowledge the backstabbing of Abbott by Turdbull and others, I believe Abbott was a willing actor in his own ham performance between 2013 and 2015. In other words, he contributed to his own demise by being supine, gaff prone, feeble, acquiescent and docile.


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  77. Perth 6PR morning babblehead, Gareth Parker, just proclaimed that “there is overwhelming support for The Voice”.

    He obviously doesn’t get out much, or is spouting the Fairfax party line in mortal fear of losing his well paid gig. (6PR is owned by Ch Nein/Fairfax).

    Hohohoho.


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  78. My joy at the landslide electoral win in September 2013 didn’t last long…

    Along with most of us.

    But the point is it was a vote against R-G-R’s subversive levels of stupidity.


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  79. The American 13% Strike Yet again – The African Jungles are calling, but perhaps the African Jungles don’t want them back?

    Old Ozzie,

    Do you truly believe that their genetic heritage makes African Americans innately violent and anti-social? Or is it just a form of linguistic exuberance.

    Just asking for clarity.


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  80. He obviously doesn’t get out much, or is spouting the Fairfax party line in mortal fear of losing his well paid gig. (6PR is owned by Ch Nein/Fairfax).

    I’d say toeing the company line. Good job Sooky Sattler is dead, although probably rolling in his grave. Who do taxi drivers listen to now?


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  81. Mother Lode

    Old Ozzie,

    Do you truly believe that their genetic heritage makes African Americans innately violent and anti-social? Or is it just a form of linguistic exuberance.

    Just asking for clarity.

    Hard to tell – happy to pick one or the other – just seems to be a consistent thread in America – and here in OZ – Aboriginal Communities in Australia – Wadeye/Port Keats

    or

    The Cultural Roots of Aboriginal Violence

    and

    The long history of Aboriginal violence — Part II


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  82. Do you truly believe that their genetic heritage makes African Americans innately violent and anti-social?

    The African-American family was doing quite well until the Great Society happened.


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  83. “Social media is the supreme triumph of the commonplace, the undiluted voice of the commonplace. All excellence is tracked down and exterminated. The commonplace infects everything. It grows like weeds everywhere and strangles all beautiful, exceptional flowers. All tall poppies are all cut down.”

    Joe Dixon


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  84. ““Social media is the supreme triumph of the commonplace”

    I would add that social media is a triumph of the vulgar, the mediocre, the barbarian, the primitive, the savage, the fraudulent and the dishonourable.

    It’s why I avoid it like the plague.


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  85. The NSW government has announced a special adviser for disruptive students, with Premier Dominic Perrottet claiming it will help children to make the most out of educational opportunities.

    “This is all about driving educational success so our kids get the best start in life,” Mr Perrottet told a press conference on Monday.

    “A key part of that is not just focusing on academics; it’s focusing on behaviour. We want to have our classroom environments be the best behavioural environments they can be.”

    The special adviser will work with teachers, parents and carers in public and private schools, in an attempt to stamp out inappropriate behaviour.

    The announcement comes after students from Sydney’s Knox Grammar were referred to police over a group chat in which they discussed pedophilia and used homophobic and racist slurs. A review into the chat was conducted, though no child abuse material was found.

    Oz


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  86. That the CEO reportedly does not turn her phone on until 8.30am each day

    CEO of a corp the size of Optus is available shop hours only?
    Sacking her is just the start. Whoever recommended her & whoever hired her, they need to be sacked, today.


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    Crossiesays:

    September 26, 2022 at 10:15 am

    That the CEO reportedly does not turn her phone on until 8.30am each day possibly goes some way to explaining the 24 hour delay in going public.

    That’s sounds about right from how the Optus CEO behaved so far. She is not paid enormous amounts of money to have a favourable life/work balance.

    What got my radar spinning was her statement during her tearful presser that she was “angwy that someone would do this”.
    This speaks to a breathtaking level of naivety.
    “Angry” implies a level of surprise.
    It’s like being angry that it rains on your wedding day in July. That tells me you didn’t consider the possibility, you ignored the forecast, and you had no contingency plan.


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  88. Whether you agree with their analysis or not, it’s always based on official data with a link to the source. I would suggest you actually read the one about children, which starts –

    At the end of August, we exclusively revealed that official mortality figures for Europe showed a shocking 691% increase in excess deaths among children up to week 33 of 2022 since the European Medicines Agency extended the emergency use authorisation of the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine for use in children aged 12 to 15 in May 2021.

    You’re correct insofar as this analysis is based on official data, but this is still typical Exposé rubbish.
    In the EU-27 countries 95% of child deaths in the 0 to 15 population occur in the under-5 cohort.

    In Europe this age group was unjabbed in Week 33 of 2022.

    So, if Exposé’s shite conclusion had any validity, the whole weight of excess death numbers would apply to the jabbed component of the 12 to 15 cohort – who normally contribute ~2% of deaths to the whole 0 to 15 population.

    I’m not about to mess around estimating the extraordinary excess death rate that implies, but I’m pretty sure someone would have noticed the growing pile of 12 to 15 year olds dying shortly after being jabbed.

    The Exposé also seems to have plagiarised someone else’s rubbish statistics.

    At the end of August, we exclusively revealed that official mortality figures for Europe…

    That was published 29 August.

    Two days previously, on 27 August, someone called Peter Immanuel published the same story:

    It get’s worse…

    If we take a look at the excess deaths among children aged 0-14 across Europe, there has been a HORRIFYING 1101% increase in excess deaths so far this year compared with the same time period in 2021. Why?

    So, not exclusive – and no attribution.

    The Exposé: bullshitting about bullshitting.
    Buy ‘em a coffee.


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  89. And, right on cue, Dr F arrives with his pocket calculator* and his baseball bat.
    Well batted, sir!
    ….
    * Pulling the wings off the Daily Exposé doesn’t require a scientific calculator.


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  90. “angwy that someone would do this”

    Stupid little girl.

    This has been typical of industry for the last 30 years. Because gender. Fast tracked to a spectacularly destructive finale.


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  91. ““Social media is the supreme triumph of the commonplace”

    The classic definition of Fascism 1920s style was a mutually satisfactory alliance of ruling political party, union thugs and big Capital. The Pollies with the union thugs to terrify the people into submission, dominated the alliance.

    Fascism today is the same thing, but big Capital now wields the thugs – carefully curated mobs of real or imaginary people on the social media sites that big Capital owns.

    These mobs don’t just terrify the people, they control the media and terrify the Pollies into submission. Doesn’t matter which side of politics is in power, big Capital dominates the Fascism of today.


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  92. This has been typical of industry for the last 30 years. Because gender. Fast tracked to a spectacularly destructive finale.

    Mmm…she was terminated by the CBA as part of their executive clean out after the banking RC.


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  93. A selection of the comments in the Herald-Sun article New ad campaign asks Australians to be a part of history and support a Voice to Parliament:

    B. Beaumont

    Definite no – sadly the left and greenie do-gooders have probably never set foot into an aboriginal community or talked to locals in Darwin about the issues and how to solve them. Get some grass roots facts from the elders, not people like Lydia Thorpe.

    Shizen Houser

    I’ve only recently dug up my back yard and can see no signs of indigenous people ever living or ever staying here. I’m wondering if they are claiming the whole total land mass of the Australian continent as their land. If the indigenous people tried to do this in Europe then they would run into problems due to many countries on the same land mass. Does having a bush camp in Broome entitle a claim on land never used or ever walked on in say Ringwood or Essendon. Because ths us what’s happening to us. This is my Voice

    Michael

    no chance. lets divide the country into 2. The top half can be aboriginal and all those woke people can go with them and the bottom half of Australia for those proud to be Australian

    B

    Good luck…that’s all I have to say.

    Cheers

    Will this be the start on paying rent to live in Australia where l was born and my home. How much is the future reconciliation land tax for our private homes going to cost?

    Firm NO.

    Simon

    That will be a No from me!

    Ian Maxwell

    I hope Albo and all of the other airhead pollies, read these comments. Dont bother with the Vote as the public sentiment is sticking out like a sore thumb here…No more divisive ideas..ONE NATION equal to all…

    brad

    No chance . Hell would have to freeze over

    Nancy

    What about our voice to call out the indigenous crime being committed against us and the lenient sentences, what about the preference given to them like cheap interest rate, special medicinal centres, dedicated phone lines and free health services we could only dream of?? They get a great deal of things for free we can’t yet it’s never enough?? What more do they want, I would be happy to change places. Yes they have had a raw deal but things have improved now just let the past go and all move on together.

    Robert

    No way

    Cassandra

    If the federal government have funding to waste on this, how about they scrap this idea and provide the States the funding for their health systems which are crumbling. Albo get your priorities right, this is not one of them.

    Maureen

    Tell them they’r dreaming, after the disgraceful act of burning the flag… not likely

    357 comments so far and not one in favour – maybe Albo’s missed the bus.


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  94. rickw

    Things like this make me wonder what’s wrong with Australia, when was the last time we did a U-turn away from stupidity?

    We thought we did such U-turns in 1975, 1996 and 2013.We were misled.


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  95. What makes you think I care what the unvaccinated have won Grey Ranga*?
    I never supported mandates, for the zillionth time.
    *didn’t read the article so just guessing what the win was.


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  96. Big_Nambassays:
    September 26, 2022 at 11:18 am
    H B Bear says:
    September 26, 2022 at 10:09 am

    There is no Right. Only Far Right.

    How far right do you have to go before you are left again?

    Ask Hitler and Mussolini, they did it, quite successfully for a while.


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  97. Doesn’t matter which side of politics is in power, big Capital dominates the Fascism of today.

    Always has, always will.

    And yet the Republican and Liberal parties are the parties of big Capital, but you lot don’t seem to ever make the connection. Curious.


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  98. feelthebern says:
    September 26, 2022 at 12:05 pm
    The USD is king.
    All hail the king.

    It’s pretty ugly, Bernmiester. It’s a late term abortion. The fed has gone in too slow. They should have raised last year when Nominal GDP hit 10%. Now the curve is inverting suggesting they went in too hard. Powell is a fucking moron.


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  99. A crusty old man walks into a bank and shouts to the woman at the teller window “I want to open a fucking checking account”. The astonished woman replies “I beg your pardon sir. I must have misunderstood you. What did you say?” “Listen up you fuck. I said I want to open a fucking checking account now!!” “I’m very sorry sir, but that kind of language is not tolerated in this bank”. The teller leaves the window and goes over to the bank manager to inform him of her situation. The manager agrees that the teller does not have to listen to that foul language. They both return to the window and the manager asks the old geezer “Sir, what seems to be the problem here?” “There is no fucking problem” the man says. “I just won 50 million bucks in the fucking lottery and I just want to open a fucking checking account in this fucking bank, okay?” “I see” says the manager “and is this fat bitch giving you a hard time?”


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  100. And yet the Republican and Liberal parties are the parties of big Capital

    Nooo, Monty, those parties have historically been the parties of small capital.
    The parties of Big Capital are the Democrats and Labor (and the Greens increasingly).
    This alliance persecutes small to medium businesses because they represent a threat.

    You are somewhat correct though because the Libs are turning into Labor in front of our eyes.


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  101. Indigenous Australians Minister Linda Burney said on Sunday that enshrining a Voice to Parliament in the constitution would have a tangible impact on the lives of Indigenous people.

    But with some raising concerns around a two-tier system, she said the Voice would not be consulted on every piece of legislation before the federal parliament.

    Ms Burney said it would only consult on issues that “affect directly the lives of First Nations people”.

    “Things like land rights, legislation, things like native title, things like cultural water allocations, things like childcare,” she said.

    “So why pick on things like taxation or defence and some of the other nonsense that’s been sprouted in the last few weeks.”

    Why?
    Well, because that’s exactly what Albanese’s form of words for the proposed amendment allows.

    There is a vanishingly small chance that the GreenLeft-inspired activist wing of the Aboriginal industry would be satisfied with The Voice being limited to giving advice on cultural business.


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  102. Nooo, Monty, those parties have historically been the parties of small capital.
    The parties of Big Capital are the Democrats and Labor (and the Greens increasingly).

    Congratulations Bruce, that sets a new record for the dumbest thing you ever said.


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  103. And yet the Republican and Liberal parties are the parties of big Capital, but you lot don’t seem to ever make the connection. Curious.

    Yerrsss, m0nty-fa, Big Capital supports the Republicans and Liberals. It is so clear, with Gates, Zuckerman, Bezos, the major Foundations (Ford, Rockefeller, et al). All regularly donating to conservative parties.

    You fascist idiot.


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  104. Dr F, the land rights, native title and water access which Burney cited is not “cultural business”, it’s the “you’ll own nothing and you’ll be happy” business of the WEF and CCP where our nation is conquered by regulation and the permit Raj and an appointed elite control what we currently call property, capital and the means of production.


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  105. Rogersays:

    September 26, 2022 at 11:13 am

    A telling statistic:

    In 2015, 72% of all black American children were born to umarried mothers

    Had to bite my tongue the other day at the library with my granddaughter.
    Posters saying it “takes a community to raise a child” and others about sharing. These aren’t benign statements of old. This is a full on campaign to reduce the family unit to mere caretakers of kids and diminish individuality.

    Toxic maternalism.


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  106. Bowen calls Greens’ bluff on carbon rules, gas demands

    Energy and Climate Change Minister Chris Bowen has effectively told the Greens he will not be held ransom by demands to turn a key emissions reduction mechanism into an anti-gas crusade, with the most material changes to be done by regulation.

    In a move that challenges the minority party to take to the Senate a disallowance motion that would unwind measures aimed at cutting emissions, Mr Bowen said his reforms were “not designed as a mechanism to stop any new oil and gas”.

    “It is designed as a mechanism to reduce emissions from our biggest companies. That’s what it will do,” he said in an exclusive interview with The Australian Financial Review.

    Warning that he would be “very sensitive” to the needs of trade-exposed large emitters, Mr Bowen said there was no reason to legislate his planned changes to the so-called safeguard mechanism, a voluntary scheme that seeks to curb emissions from the country’s 215 largest industrial and resources emitters.

    “Why would you? I guess technically you can legislate something you don’t need to legislate, but I’m not aware of any governments that have done that,” he said.

    “This is a change which is done by regulation. By ‘legislative rule’, I’m told, is the more technically correct term. And that’s how I intend to do it.”

    Mr Bowen said members of parliament were “more than welcome” to talk to him directly about their ideas.

    “But I’ll be making calls about the regulation. I want real emissions reduction from the sector … but I’ll be very sensitive to the needs of emissions intensive trade-exposed industry.”

    ‘I want real emissions reduction’

    Greens leader Adam Bandt three weeks ago drew the battle lines over the pending reforms, which are the centrepiece of Labor’s strategy to cut national emissions by 43 per cent, a 2030 target that passed into law this month with the support of the Greens.

    Mr Bandt slammed the mechanism established under the previous Coalition government as a “rent-seeker’s paradise rife with opportunities for greased wheels and special deals”, and said he was willing to work with Mr Bowen but only if it resulted in “real cuts from coal and gas”.

    Mr Bowen said he plans to work up a series of changes that would ensure the safeguard mechanism drives emissions reductions across the economy.

    Asked whether the reforms create an “absolute carbon budget” that results, in effect, in a zero-sum game, Mr Bowen said he would not use such a term.

    “But I want real emissions reduction. Don’t read more or less into that about what it means. It means I want emissions down from these big emitters.”

    The government has started considering proposals from businesses and lobby groups to make the mechanism more assertive, with the new rules due to take effect from the middle of next year.

    A discussion paper released last month by the energy and climate change department “makes clear that we need to reflect the different technological capabilities of different sectors”, Mr Bowen said in the interview.

    “Gas has different technologies available to it at the moment than does coal, than do the airlines, than do aluminum smelters.”

    “And in five years’ time, that will have changed, and they’ll have different technical capacities at different points.

    “We’re cognisant of that, but I’m not doing it not to get real emissions reduction from the sector.”

    Call to expand the carbon rules

    In a submission to the government to be released on Monday, the Carbon Market Institute calls for the safeguard changes to be made in a way that ensures the mechanism can be expanded beyond the 215 biggest emitters.

    Companies now fall under the safeguard mechanism when they emit more than 100,000 tonnes of carbon a year, but the institute says the threshold could be lowered to 25,000 tonnes.

    That would potentially add thousands of companies to the scheme but spread the burden more widely across the economy. It might also become necessary in decades beyond 2030 as Australia lifts its United Nations climate target above 43 per cent.

    “This will allow the government to scale Australia’s climate ambition beyond the 43 per cent 2030 [nationally determined contribution] when it sets the 2035 NDC, and subsequent NDCs thereafter,” the institute said in its submission.

    While Labor is shaping up to ignore the Greens’ demands for an even more ambitious scheme, Mr Bowen confirmed he still needed to legislate below-the-baseline crediting for facilities under his safeguard reforms.

    However, he said this was something the previous government had said it would do as well. “I would be hoping that that sailed through the parliament fairly uncontroversially given it’s meant to be bipartisan policy.”

    Any move by the Greens to pass a disallowance motion against Mr Bowen’s future safeguard mechanism changes would need the support of the Coalition, which has yet to resolve its internal differences over climate policy.

    Moderate Liberals, in particular, are leery of moves that would allow teal independents to portray the Coalition as out of touch on climate.


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  107. Your/their BoM’s alpine page has, for NSW’s Thredbo and VIC’s Mt Hotham, 7 days and 7 nights of FREEZING SNOW (emphasising not shouting). From today, Monday 26, to Sunday 2 October – when your Daylight Robbery commences – snow showers and overnight sub-zero temps from a (rare?) southeast-quarter breeze.

    Klimate Aktivism in action? Nah, La Niña.


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  108. and water access which Burney cited is not “cultural business”

    I can see the taxpayer buying some of my water rights at a price that only the taxpayer would pay.
    Carry on.


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  109. In 2015, 72% of all black American children were born to umarried mothers

    This is a function of the 90’s Crime bill.
    I wonder who one of the key architects of that was?


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  110. This is a full on campaign to reduce the family unit to mere caretakers of kids and diminish individuality.

    It started with the push to get mums into the workforce, which the Liberal Party was fully on board with.


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  111. This is a function of the 90’s Crime bill.
    I wonder who one of the key architects of that was?

    That certainly didn’t help…but it’s been trending upwards since the late ’60s.

    So the young black men being incarcerated in the ’90s were likely raised by single mothers. Hello.


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  112. Franking credits change ‘very minor’: Chalmers
    Chloe Whelan
    CHLOE WHELAN

    The federal government is attempting to introduce retrospective legislation that would stop fully franked dividends from Australian companies that have paid their full amount of tax, with Jim Chalmers insisting it is a “very minor change”.

    The legislation would retrospectively stop companies paying shareholders fully franked dividends funded by capital raisings.

    The change was first proposed by the Coalition in 2016 and the Treasurer claimed it was a simple loophole closure.

    “This is a Liberal Party policy announced by treasurer Scott Morrison in the 2016 mid-year update,” Dr Chalmers told reporters in Canberra on Monday.

    “This is a very minor change proposed by the Liberals who couldn’t get their act together on legislation, another mess that we’ve been asked to clean up, which wasn’t done by our predecessors. It’s a very minor measure.”

    Why don’t I trust this rabble with anything to do with franking credits?


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  113. – Labour is the party of Capital
    – Democrats are the party of fascism
    – Russia is the champion of Western values

    You lot believe in some pretty dumb talking points.


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  114. It started with the push to get mums into the workforce, which the Liberal Party was fully on board with.

    A policy pioneered by the Soviets, btw, as was government subsidised child care.


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  115. Can’t believe how Geelong have behaved today.
    Hopefully the HRC will tout for ageist complaints against their behaviour similar to the way they touted for race related ones against Leak Sr.


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  116. I read it in the a Fin Rev puff piece a while back – how she manages stress, iirc.

    I possibly read the same thing, but in the SMH.
    It read a bit like Obumbi’s Nobel Peace prize for being elected. It was touting her raging success 24 hours after she got the job.
    If she was even in the pool of twenty being considered for the CBA top job, that is fucking scary.


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  117. The legislation would retrospectively stop companies paying shareholders fully franked dividends funded by capital raisings.

    The change was first proposed by the Coalition in 2016 and the Treasurer claimed it was a simple loophole closure.

    I actually agree with this.


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  118. I read it in the a Fin Rev puff piece a while back – how she manages stress, iirc.

    Have you seen the puff piece about Atlassian in the Oz. It’s pathetic but the comments are hysterical. People are saying they’re woke sacks of turd and no-one can figure out what they do or what the puff piece was exactly promoting.

    Go looksee. They’re disliked.


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  119. – Democrats are the party of fascism

    To take just one of m0nty-fa’s latest stupid “talking points”, FDR (remember him m0nty-fa – DemonRat president for over 12 years). He was a great admirer of Hitler and Mussolini. And also Stalin, another well -known lefty.

    So, yes, historically the DemonRats are the party of fascism (and also its companion, racism).

    How did Mussolini describe fascism: “The marriage of government and business”.


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  120. Ag, or other industry getting priced out of acquiring water licenses by a corporation which prints money… is not a situation i’d endorse. Taxpayers hardly figure.


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  121. Have you seen the puff piece about Atlassian in the Oz. It’s pathetic but the comments are hysterical. People are saying they’re woke sacks of turd and no-one can figure out what they do or what the puff piece was exactly promoting.

    Go looksee. They’re disliked.

    I know, right.
    Some of the upticks against adverse comments about those two dicks have to be seen to be believed.


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  122. Your/their BoM’s alpine page has, for NSW’s Thredbo and VIC’s Mt Hotham, 7 days and 7 nights of FREEZING SNOW

    What does that, actually, mean? .. as a Geordie who grew up in umpteen freezing winters and snowy ones, as well even I know that it doesn’t snow when it is freezing .. FFS!


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  123. Your/their BoM’s alpine page has, for NSW’s Thredbo and VIC’s Mt Hotham, 7 days and 7 nights of FREEZING SNOW

    Is this the snow our children would never see again?


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  124. m0ntysays:
    September 26, 2022 at 12:57 pm
    – Labour is the party of Capital
    – Democrats are the party of fascism
    – Russia is the champion of Western values

    You lot believe in some pretty dumb talking points.</e

    Us Lot are pretty much on the ball whereas you are playing with your balls……………………


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  125. TE, Maybe Albo’s missed the bus. I doubt Albo knows what a bus is.

    ‘course he does! .. when he was “houso” he’d catch the bus two stops towards “private” school then mum would pick him up & drive him the rest of the way so the “private” kids wouldn’t laff at’im gettin’ orf the bus ..
    reverse it on the way back so the “houso” kids wouldn’t bully ‘im fer gettin’ a lift ..
    life is tuff when yer growin’ up “houso” but yer ends up “fightin’ Tories” mean ..!


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  126. Rogersays:

    September 26, 2022 at 1:14 pm

    Go looksee. They’re disliked.

    The hyphenated one certainly gets on my nerves; at least I’m not alone!

    You clearly haven’t had enough exposure to the non-hyphenated one.
    I can’t split them.


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  127. You clearly haven’t had enough exposure to the non-hyphenated one.

    Did the puff piece mention the feud between the wives? As I understand it, they bought adjacent harbourside blocks, and one put in a development application to do a massive renno, the other spurred on by his missus was the only objector.
    My info is 2nd hand through a relation who happens to be a friend of one of the mother’s. Relation did not say who was who in this story.


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  128. Leak is off narrative. Nobody is offering Putin any of these choices.

    Indeed, but this is all a distraction. The real question is how does NATO ‘deescalate’ given that the momentum is shifting to RUS every day new troops arrive in theatre. UAF are being bled white in Kharkov, Kherson, and North Donbas as they throw troops into the fighting without any success. The euphoria of previous weeks is fading as they fail to exploit their advances in Kharkov even though they, early on, had numerical superiority. In a month or twos time, the UAF are going to forced on the defensive because of the losses of the previous months’ offensives, just as the RuAF goes on the offensive. Right now there are rumours the Saudis are trying to broker a peace deal involving UKR accepting the loss of the four oblasts currently involved in referenda plus Crimea. EU is likely to support it apart from Poles and Balts, but UK/US not, nor UKR given their public rhetoric. What will happen if RUS capture Nikolyaev, Odessa, and so on? At what point will UKR/US/UK read the writing on the wall and accept that further delay only risks a deterioration in their circumstance and no promise of reversal? The shittalking of the last month might be fun but a lot of that nonsense currently being stirred about mobilisation is at bottom the real fear that it will decisively shift the momentum of the war in RUS’s favour in the hope of maintaining the illusion that this is not the case.


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  129. Despite being Jewish New Year, I didn’t wake up this morning feeling particularly good. So, late this morning I decided to go for a walk. Walking down Oxford Street, near Paddington Barracks, I noticed two young people, a female and a male, plastering posters on electricity poles. So, I went up and read the posters, which said in big red lettering

    ‘Protest The Far Right CPAC Conference
    1pm Saturday 1st October
    Outside ICC, Darling Harbour
    Protest CPAC attendees
    Tony Abbott, Mark Latham, Nigel Farage’

    I confronted the two shits and I said to them that what they’re doing is illegal and every time they put a poster, I’ll tear it down. They shrugged their shoulders and continued to plaster the posters, so I then walked up to the two and I said….’I’m the real Marxist here, and come the revolution, middle class scum like you will be dealt with.”

    They blinked, their adolescent jaws dropped, they were speechless and I watched as the pair scuttled back to the School of Fine Arts where they had come from (located just off Oxford Street). And I then proceeded to tear down every poster the pair had put up. That’s how you deal with the left, you don’t turn the other cheek, you don’t say, “oh my, please don’t do that”. You throw it back at them and you render them speechless. I feel good now, really good. My day has improved.


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  130. Senator David Pocock has challenged the Greens to support his plans to overturn Labor’s decision to dismantle rules that force superannuation funds to detail their spending on political parties, marketing and fees to industrial groups.

    The Greens joined Senator Pocock and other crossbenchers on Sunday in a joint letter calling on Labor to adopt a series of measures to bolster the potency of the government’s planned federal integrity commission.

    “Anyone watching the men’s AFL grand final on the weekend would have seen prime-time super advertisements,” said David Pocock. “This is a massive industry with huge power.”

    https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/pocock-pushes-greens-to-leverage-labor-on-super-transparency-20220925-p5bkup

    The link to the paywalled column is there but I cut n paste the opening two paragraphs.


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  131. Diogenes, is that true. If it is it’s hilarious.

    What mental asylum.

    How terrible if true if the wives are squabbling and the two doofues don’t intervene to shut them up? FMD.


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