Open Thread – Weekend 24 Sept 2022


Misty morning in Italy, Ivan Aivazovsky, 1864

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Ed Case
Ed Case
September 25, 2022 7:21 pm

Arky has been thru a few Handle variations during his years here, was his real name even a secret?
I did see a comment under that name recently and assumed it was Arky being stupid again.
But you’re saying that’s not the case and he was Doxxed?
Smelling a big rat, mr. Mater.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

I hear the indigenous are terrors for Waterford crackers and Blue Stilton.

One of the invigorating differences between the shearing sheds of Gez’s shire & the stock camps of the north. 🙂

Razey
Razey
September 25, 2022 7:23 pm

Toowoomba’s Wellcamp Airport could transform into a major satellite launch hub as Virgin Orbit explores the site’s potential as a centre for space innovation.

Perfect. They can use slave labor from the ‘quarantine camp’. Would complete the Neo -Nazi overlord regime’s image in QLD.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 25, 2022 7:24 pm

MatrixTransformsays:

September 25, 2022 at 7:21 pm

I guess it will

has the party whip done the numbers?

Do numbers matter?
Do they matter as much as they used to?
Is it weight of numbers, or weight of argument?
…….. Lol!

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

How the heck would I know? Ask the reviewer, or ask the property.

I should, right? ?

Seriously? You need me to tell you how to verify a review?
You’re not just my Broken, you’re my Corgi.

JC
JC
September 25, 2022 7:25 pm

MatrixTransform says:
September 25, 2022 at 7:17 pm

Mr Rough-and-tumble is victim now?

what a joke

Okay, let me know if it’s okay to dox your wife and post the street where you live. Ask the blog owner if he’s okay with that. It wasn’t about me, you ridiculous clown. It’s what happened to my spouse and the address.

Try this magic Matrix, follow my appeal to The turtlehead and The Driller. Stop talking to me or spite trolling about me. Like In the past, we never really conversed and nothing was lost. Go back to that you can live the blog life you want. I mean let’s get serious. 85% of your comments here is angry or spite ridden trolling anyway, so I’m not losing out not talking to you.

Johnny Rotten
September 25, 2022 7:27 pm

*No 10, being reserved as it is for the best player in the team.

Yes and at Tottenham it is Sir Harry Kane. No French gits allowed unless their name is not Henry and he is our Goalkeeper Loris………………………

JC
JC
September 25, 2022 7:27 pm

Seriously? You need me to tell you how to verify a review?
You’re not just my Broken, you’re my Corgi.

I was asking you.

MatrixTransform
September 25, 2022 7:28 pm

Do they matter as much as they used to?

you walk like somebody
who is certain they cannot be tracked

that … is how fucking stupid you are

Razey
Razey
September 25, 2022 7:29 pm

Scarcity will be the new normal.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 25, 2022 7:30 pm

you walk like somebody
who is certain they cannot be tracked

Wooof!
🙂

Razey
Razey
September 25, 2022 7:33 pm

Who knows. This site could be an ASIO honey pot.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 25, 2022 7:36 pm

dover0beachsays:

September 25, 2022 at 7:34 pm

I’ve opened a Duelling Thread

How dare you!
See you over there, Dover, you cad!

JC
JC
September 25, 2022 7:36 pm

it was season three in 2004 when Biden was back in the headlines after an interview, apparently he also falsely claimed to have coal mining uncles.

Rosie

There’s a really strong suspicion the first wife killed herself and one of the kids by running into the truck deliberately. We don’t know for sure but evidence showed the truckie wasn’t at fault. at all. The three kids were in the car and the two boys survived. The story is she tried to kill herself and the kids because she found out he was having an affair with the current madam Doctor Jill.

He’s so freaking inappropriate in an awful, turnoff sort of way. He was talking to a journalist about his ( then recent) dead wife and he described her as having the body of a Playboy Playmate. Who does that?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 25, 2022 7:38 pm

JC, the worst thing about that story is the truck driver has been labelled as a drunk driver.
And it stuck.

JC
JC
September 25, 2022 7:40 pm

Yes, Sanchez. Hiden peddled the story until he was threatened with a lawsuit. Hiden is beyond disgusting. He’s evil and really stupid.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 25, 2022 7:43 pm

Looking at sports threads on Social Media it appears “Overpaid Spud of The Week” is a tie.
Buddy Franklin and Lateral* Mitchell.
* Intentional.

MatrixTransform
September 25, 2022 7:43 pm

I’ve opened a Duelling Thread.

perfect!

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 25, 2022 7:44 pm

Invitations to the duelling thread will now no doubt come to pass.

This could actually be a chivalrous thing if invitations are delivered in a appropriate manner:

‘Sir, you have impugned my (or someone’s) honour. I demand you accompany me to the duelling thread, upon pain of becoming known a craven coward.’

A bit of gentle glove-slapping across the chops. All very civilised. Bonhomie-esque, even.

rosie
rosie
September 25, 2022 7:45 pm

Guardian has been going in hard about the Andrews suburban train loop, even publishing one by Liberal MP Matthew Bach.
This is yet another.
Trains or parks: Victorian election battle looms over Suburban Rail Loop
South-east Melbourne residents say growing population needs better public transport, but not at the expense of green space

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Seriously? You need me to tell you how to verify a review?

I was asking you.

Okay, here’s how you do it.
Depending on the review site, you often have the option to “ask the reviewer” – just send them a message containing your enquiry.
Depending on the review site, the venue may have the option to post a response – check for such a response.
The venue is named, of course, contact the venue with your query, perhaps something like: “Reviewer named ‘HP’ left a review of your cafe on the 2nd July, is this review fair dinkum?”

If that doesn’t work, you’re probably out of options as far as verifying the review.

I could go on all day, however it’s not a field I’ve dabbled in much, as almost every review for me is 5-star & glowing.
Being as you’re a greenhorn in the review business I’ll expand a little: A series of 5-star reviews is not a good thing. (If you wish to know why, contact me later)

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 25, 2022 7:50 pm

Speaking of truck vs cars.
The very worst at the moment appear to be tippers between Westgate and the Sunbury soil dump.
Fucking crazy.
I think the problem is they are stuck with a fixed $ per cubic metre rate with no escalation for fuel.
Some look like they might be trying to squeeze 8 loads in a day instead of 6.

JC
JC
September 25, 2022 7:50 pm

I could go on all day, however it’s not a field I’ve dabbled in much, as almost every review for me is 5-star & glowing.

Are you stealing valor here, Drills? It doesn’t quite sound like the “Lucky Motel”.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 25, 2022 7:52 pm

Knuckle Draggersays:

September 25, 2022 at 7:44 pm

Invitations to the duelling thread will now no doubt come to pass.

No they won’t.
Fuckwit!!!

Mater
September 25, 2022 7:52 pm

I’ve opened a Duelling Thread.

No thanks, Dover, I’ve said my piece.
Lurkers can take it onboard (or not) with their interactions with the Mexican Tank.

Forewarned is forearmed – Sun Tzu

Smelling a big rat, mr. Mater

Ed, I couldn’t give a fuck what you are smelling. I’m surprised that anything can penetrate the lingering odour of formaldehyde.

Johnny Rotten
September 25, 2022 7:55 pm

Johnny Rottensays:
September 25, 2022 at 7:27 pm
*No 10, being reserved as it is for the best player in the team.

Yes and at Tottenham it is Sir Harry Kane. No French gits allowed unless their name is not Henry and he is our Goalkeeper Loris………………………

And NO Farking ball tampering either…………………….Cricket should be played as cricket.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 25, 2022 7:55 pm

Review world is fraught.
Small town near us has four fair-to-middling eateries.
Three suddenly started getting anonymous shitty reviews, on nights when they might have only had 12-15 covers who were all known to them.
The fourth was rating higher than Vue De Monde.

Rabz
September 25, 2022 7:59 pm

raising the prospect of the use of nuclear weapons

Gee, what wonderful news. Braindead inbred manic depressive soaks.

Razey
Razey
September 25, 2022 7:59 pm

rosiesays:
September 25, 2022 at 7:45 pm
Guardian has been going in hard about the Andrews suburban train loop, even publishing one by Liberal MP Matthew Bach.
This is yet another.
Trains or parks: Victorian election battle looms over Suburban Rail Loop
South-east Melbourne residents say growing population needs better public transport, but not at the expense of green space

We don’t give a fuck about the Hunchback’s train set. We just want that cunt gone.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 25, 2022 8:01 pm

And, on payment up front, many higher end restaurants in Melbourne are asking for a non-refundable credit card deposit for no-shows.
What I do know about ephemeral service businesses (airlines, hotels, restaurants) is you can’t recover the lost seat/bed.
Apart from shitty reviews, the other way to screw a restaurant competitor is a massive no-show booking.

Rabz
September 25, 2022 8:02 pm

Invitations to the duelling thread will now no doubt come to pass

Awesome – turning up, I will be, with the Blunderbuss. 🙂

Johnny Rotten
September 25, 2022 8:02 pm

We don’t give a fuck about the Hunchback’s train set. We just want that cunt gone.

Just vote him out then. Simple.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 25, 2022 8:03 pm

We don’t give a fuck about the Hunchback’s train set. We just want that cunt gone.

Well, yes.
But I will give the insipid Liberals this much. They have got Dan on the back foot with their “scrap roads, build hospitals” policy.

miltonf
miltonf
September 25, 2022 8:05 pm

Yes, Sanchez. Hiden peddled the story until he was threatened with a lawsuit. Hiden is beyond disgusting. He’s evil and really stupid.

Agree but for all the old cunt’s numerous despicable acts over many decades, they rewarded the grub with the Presidency. Who said cheats never prosper? And, repeating myself, what a FUCKED place Delaware must be. What a collection of brain dead twats.

Rabz
September 25, 2022 8:05 pm

This site could be an ASIO honey pot

Please let this be so.

rosie
rosie
September 25, 2022 8:07 pm

Yes, and it’s also interesting that he is being attacked by the Guardian, so much that they give space to the Liberals, presumably, somehow, to give the Greens a leg up.

Johnny Rotten
September 25, 2022 8:09 pm

Two old Yorkshiremen, Ted and Frank, have been mates for as long as either can remember.

They are now both in their nineties and throughout their friendship they have shared a love of cricket, both as players in their youth and now as devoted spectators.

One day while they are sitting at Headingley watching a county game, Ted turns to Frank and says “You know Frank, me and thee have been friends for more than eighty years and we’ve enjoyed our cricket all that time”. “Aye” replies Frank.

“Well” Ted continues “we’ve both had a decent innings and are now getting towards the point where we’ve got to carry our bat for the last dignified walk back to the pavilion”. Aye” replies Frank.

“Do you think they have cricket in Heaven?” asks Ted. Frank says “I don’t know, lad. But if one of us takes the walk to the pavilion before the other, let’s promise that if it’s at all possible, we will come back and let the other know”. “Sounds good to me” says Frank.

A couple of months later Ted gets ill and unfortunately a few days later takes the long walk back to the pavilion.

About a week after Ted dies, Frank is asleep in bed and is woken by a voice he recognises as his old deceased mate.

Franks says “Ted, is it thee?” “Aye” says Ted. “We agreed that the first one would come back and let the other know if there was cricket in Heaven”. Frank answers “Aye”.

“Well” says Ted “there is some good news and some bad news, which would you like first?”

Frank considers his options for a moment. “I’ll have the good news first, please”.

So Ted starts with the good news “There is test match cricket in Heaven and the weather is always a warm summer afternoon. All of our old friends are here and you have the strength and vitality of your youth so that you can bat and bowl all day without getting tried. And Frank, the afternoon teas are to die for”.

“That’s great” says Frank “but, what’s the bad news then?” Ted replies “You’re opening the batting for us next Monday”.

P
P
September 25, 2022 8:09 pm
feelthebern
feelthebern
September 25, 2022 8:10 pm

Got around to watching the most recent Matrix movie.
It’s quite the Rorschach test.
Once you get through all the fan servicing it’s a pretty decent watch.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 25, 2022 8:11 pm

the other way to screw a restaurant competitor is a massive no-show booking

This one was a nasty one.

Fury as waitress left to foot bill after diners leave without paying (24 Sep)

A waitress was forced to pay the bill after a group of diners left a restaurant without paying, according to her mother.

Listeners were disgusted after the parent called a radio station to tell the host what had happened.

Louise explained how her daughter ended up working for “almost” free on September 18 after the group left without paying – with the bill taken out of her wages.

She said she could not believe the policy as it was “crazy” to have to pay for someone else’s dishonesty, reports The Irish Mirror.

Whether it’s real or not I can’t tell, but mum sounds pretty irate. I would be too. The customers who left without paying are first grade arseholes.

Johnny Rotten
September 25, 2022 8:14 pm

And, repeating myself, what a FUCKED place Delaware must be. What a collection of brain dead twats.

This Delaware in another era…………………………

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk82IBVaBOg

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 25, 2022 8:14 pm

Rabzsays:
September 25, 2022 at 8:02 pm
Invitations to the duelling thread will now no doubt come to pass

Awesome – turning up, I will be, with the Blunderbuss

Don’t worry about weapons.
If you wear those ridiculous white Adidas boxing boots, I’ll die laughing.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 25, 2022 8:19 pm

Rabzsays:
September 25, 2022 at 8:05 pm
This site could be an ASIO honey pot

Please let this be so.

I think CCP spooks are also in the loop.

Johnny Rotten
September 25, 2022 8:21 pm

Whether it’s real or not I can’t tell, but mum sounds pretty irate. I would be too. The customers who left without paying are first grade arseholes.

Try that trick in Chinatown and you will end up in Chop Suey…………………….

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 25, 2022 8:22 pm

Dover, can we also have a dedicated Bonhomie and Good Cheer thread?

Rabz
September 25, 2022 8:23 pm

If you wear those ridiculous white Adidas boxing boots

Which of the four pairs*, Squire? 🙂

*Also have three black pairs

Johnny Rotten
September 25, 2022 8:25 pm

Sancho Panzersays:
September 25, 2022 at 8:22 pm
Dover, can we also have a dedicated Bonhomie and Good Cheer thread?

No, because the inmates in this Gold Fish Bowl cannot be relied upon to keep any Bonhomie and Good Cheer going for more that 1 nanosecond………………………….

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 25, 2022 8:40 pm

Rugby league terrifier Gorden Tallis on why booing is just fine (the Tele):

Gorden Tallis has jumped the defence of fans who booed Latrell Mitchell in Penrith’s win over South Sydney at Accor Stadium.

Tallis says the crowd is entitled to express themselves at games within reason and believes fans have the right to boo players.

“It’s not right and are Penrith (fans) wrong, yes. But do they have a right to boo? I think they do. I actually think when you pay the money, if they’re not overstepping the line, and I don’t think booing (is) … I don’t want the crowd to go woke in our game and you want them to go and boo,” Tallis said on Triple M.

Bravo, Mr Tallis. The Behavioural Awareness Officers the AFL employed after someone called an umpire ‘a bald-headed flog’ because he was a bald-headed flog should never again grace the light of day anywhere in this fine country.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 25, 2022 8:40 pm

Socialists love trains. Sneakers is about to open the Airport line of his Metronet boondoggle. Can’t see too many FIFO lining up to get public transport to the airport somehow. People out in Caversham might use it after being promised one in the last four or five elections.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 25, 2022 8:44 pm

Earlier:

Toowoomba’s Wellcamp Airport could transform into a major satellite launch hub as Virgin Orbit explores the site’s potential as a centre for space innovation.

Razey-san:

Perfect. They can use slave labor from the ‘quarantine camp’.

Which would be fine, if there was anyone in it.

Rabz
September 25, 2022 8:45 pm

Some normal responsible individuals singing a song about things that make them happee … 🙂

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Are you stealing valor here? It doesn’t quite sound like the “Lucky Motel”.

It is a hotel. Despite some similarities, they are entirely different types of business.
Different industrial award, different industry association, different LVR, different worker’s comp rate, different insurance premiums, and not least; A vastly different management skillset.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 25, 2022 8:55 pm

Perfect. They can use slave labor from the ‘quarantine camp’.

Which would be fine, if there was anyone in it.

You just get the feeling this will end up over at the Duelling thread.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Perfect. They can use slave labor from the ‘quarantine camp’.
Which would be fine, if there was anyone in it.

Perhaps it will fill up with Land Tax delinquents.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 25, 2022 8:59 pm

KD, did you see the Pom crickit fans are popping circuit breakers over a Mankad event in the ladeees crickit.
I used to think it was (ahem) a ‘dog act’.
Now, in limited overs and T20, I kind of thinking backing up 2-3 metres is a little bit cheaty.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 25, 2022 8:59 pm

You just get the feeling this will end up over at the Duelling thread.

Wouldn’t think so. It’s undeniable. It’s empty, and w as $120 million, cattle-car-free gasless white elephant they are now – as indicated much earlier, not by me but others – that it would end up as something completely different. Which it did.

Worst global conspiracy outcome ever.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 25, 2022 9:02 pm

w as $120 million, cattle-car-free gasless white elephant they are now

Apologies. Was typing while trying to dig out the duelling gloves.

Key points:

Multi-million dollar spend.
White elephant.
Was always going to be repurposed.
Repurposed.

A cynical bloke would be looking at who owns the land Wellcamp’s on, and how much the lease cost – and is costing.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

I’m prepared to challenge this statement:

It’s empty, and w as $120 million, cattle-car-free gasless white elephant

AFAIK it is (to date) a $240 million white elephant.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 25, 2022 9:05 pm

a $240 million white elephant.

Oh man. I stand corrected, and horrified.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 25, 2022 9:10 pm

Hasn’t the Open Thread gone all civilized and gentlemanly, suddenly?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 25, 2022 9:10 pm

Worst global conspiracy outcome ever.

Well, what else was I meant to think?
Sure, it didn’t make sense, and it would be redundant before it was complete.
The one thing which didn’t occur to our resident Klaus watcher was that governments, particularly leftist governments, don’t give a shit about building stuff which actually has an end use.
So he found an end use.
A Concentration Camp for Jab Recalcitrants.
But for Palace-Chook, it didn’t have to have any useful purpose once complete. The end was the building jerbs and largesse to be farmed out to friendly contractors during construction.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 25, 2022 9:15 pm

Hasn’t the Open Thread gone all civilized and gentlemanly, suddenly?

Unspeakable WA swine.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 25, 2022 9:17 pm

Sure, it didn’t make sense

Traitor.

132andBush
132andBush
September 25, 2022 9:19 pm

Sad news

Made do without arms from the age of three.
I remember seeing this and thinking “this drought and being near bankrupt is nothing now”.

Andy Detwiler passed away the other day.
Cancer.

Rabz
September 25, 2022 9:20 pm

Just magnifique:

Wait a minute baby

rosie
rosie
September 25, 2022 9:20 pm

I remember the quarantine camps discussions.
Other than China, did a single country build large scale permanent or even temporary quarantine ‘camps’?
In fact most were easing and ending covid lockdowns and restrictions when Australian states ie Queensland and Victoria were building their white elephants.
It was obvious.
That might even warrant an uptick for NSW who iirc never went there.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 25, 2022 9:24 pm

I’d never heard of this bloke. A quick search:

Andy, who had close to 130,000 subscribers on his channel, lost his arms in an accident when he was just four years old, and he became popular thanks to his skills with his feet. The YouTuber had taught himself to perform various essential activities like driving and eating with his feet.

Any person who landed on Andy’s YouTube channel was often left marvelling at how the accomplished farmer was able to make use of his feet for so many diverse activities.

This bloke was apparently an active farmer. Not just ‘do this one thing for the camera’ farmer, but did all the yards. That’s hard enough yakka as it is, let alone a) doing it with your feet and b) not bitching about it all the way through.

A better man than me.

P
P
September 25, 2022 9:30 pm

132andBush says:
September 25, 2022 at 9:19 pm

Thank you for this.

Also thanks to KD for your input in this regard.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 25, 2022 9:34 pm

In fact most were easing and ending covid lockdowns and restrictions when Australian states ie Queensland and Victoria were building their white elephants.

Yep.
Stupid.
Wasteful.
Irresponsible.
All of those things.
But not the Auschwitz thing.
Jeez, the whole thing was a money-shovelling competition.
No-one cared whether the spending was effective or efficient.
The spending was an end in itself.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 25, 2022 9:36 pm

Knuckle Draggersays:

September 25, 2022 at 9:17 pm

Sure, it didn’t make sense

Traitor

Traitor-Dog if you don’t mind.

Rabz
September 25, 2022 9:39 pm
Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 25, 2022 9:41 pm

It’s early days.

However, I will advance the opinion that the introduction of the Duelling Thread was a masterstroke.

It is the exact equivalent of Dad driving the car on a longish country trip, and with kids fighting in the back. Dad finally has enough, and goes ‘Right!’ Stops the car, and lines the kids up on the side of the road.

‘You want to fight? Off you go then! Let’s see it.’ The now-downcast kids shuffle their feet a bit with a bit of ‘yeah, but’, and then…. nothing. An exercise in human psychology.

I am well aware I will more than likely end up there at some point. However, that doesn’t make it less good.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

You expect us to believe that you were watching closely if folks were eating white, wholemeal or even rye.

Yes.
It is a free country, & you’re all free to make your own dining choices.
However I recommend your think very carefully before opting for a restaurant that has no idea what is going on.

I’ll go out on a limb & without any supporting evidence, state that nobody on Catallaxy would opt to eat at a place that has no interest whatsoever in what people prefer to eat.

When we put out a breakfast buffet, which is every day of our lives, we keep a close eye (watch like a “Hawk” you might say) what gets eaten, which demographic eats it, & why they ate it.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 25, 2022 9:47 pm

Knuckle Draggersays:

September 25, 2022 at 9:41 pm

It’s early days.

However, I will advance the opinion that the introduction of the Duelling Thread was a masterstroke.

Quite so.
I’ll let you pass on the news to Kenn Worth Road Ranger, though.

Bruce in WA
September 25, 2022 9:50 pm
Rabz
September 25, 2022 9:51 pm

Well, she was beautiful

Eddles* wielding a tobacco sunburst Strat. Three minutes and thirty three seconds of pure pop perfection.

*No, not that one.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
September 25, 2022 9:53 pm

IMO Victoria is stuffed. Sunday and flight was delayed which regrettably isn’t unusual but was struck by the lack of sense of urgency to make time, landed MEL zero sense of urgency from ground staff, zero sense of urgency anywhere. Trains replaced by busses so trip to temp home even longer.

Where’s Matt? Hospitals stuffed, ambulance times stuffed, public transport being run into ground. All ALP “strengths” apparently. Plenty to attack but oppositions seem impotent. Honestly Liberal Party just needs to die and let someone else have a go…

MatrixTransform
September 25, 2022 9:56 pm

look at that
the dueling thread worked so well

turns out, you cannot win a war of words.

… but, the fuck would I know?

Sun Tzu

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 25, 2022 10:06 pm

Indigenous voice to echo across policy

Rosie Lewis
Political Correspondent
@rosieslewis
Paul Garvey
4 minutes ago September 25, 2022
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The Indigenous voice to parliament will advise on issues such as domestic violence, housing, childcare, land rights and other policies that have a “direct effect” on Aboriginal Australians – but not in areas such as defence or taxation.

As supporters of an Indigenous voice to parliament launch a nat­ionwide advertising campaign on Monday to promote the yes vote for a referendum to be held in the current term of parliament, Indigenous Affairs Minister Linda Burney said the body would advise on issues of direct relevance to ­Aboriginal people. It might also scrutinise relevant bills being proposed by political parties before they are introduced to parliament.

The legislation could belong to any political party or independent MP, not just the government of the day.

“If the voice is advising parliament, then it’s advising parliament,” Ms Burney said.

She said there was a clear difference between the voice and the abolished Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission: while ATSIC allocated money and delivered programs, the voice would be an advisory body to parliament.

“Things like land rights legislation, things like native title, things like cultural water allocations, things like, for example, childcare,” she told Sky News.

“It won’t be on things like taxation or defence and some of the other nonsense that’s been spouted in the last few weeks.

“It will be absolutely on issues that affect directly the lives of First Nations people and one of the keys for this is focusing particularly on Closing the Gap targets.”

In an interview with The Australian, Ms Burney on Sunday expanded on the remit: “For example, domestic violence. We’re going to have a separate First Nations strategy. We’ve also got to be very conscious we’ve got the Coalition of Peaks (bodies). The role of the voice is not to usurp any of that but to provide advice to parliament on things specifically to do with First Nations people.

“Think about housing. Within that, there’s a component of decisions to be made around First Nat­ions housing. It’s not like this thing (Peter) Dutton’s saying where it’s everything that affects Aboriginal people, it’s where there is a specific impact.”

The yes case advertisements, which will be run across TV, social media and online platforms, feature Indigenous playwright and actor Trevor Jamieson and are part of a broader “History is calling” campaign from the Uluru Statement Group, which has received strong financial backing from some of Australia’s largest companies.

The advertisement features Jam­ieson telling children a story around a campfire about how Indigenous Australians achieved a voice to parliament with the help of people across the country.

His story is woven with scenes in which non-Indigenous Australians tell their children why they voted in favour of the change.

Megan Davis, co-chair of the Uluru Dialogue, told The Australian’s Growth Agenda: “We hope this ad will encourage Australians to learn more and support a First Nations voice to parliament.’’

The advertisement was developed after extensive consultation with a large group of diverse ­people from across the nation.

Professor Davis said the list of things to avoid from their perspective was universally agreed. “We don’t like cliches. We don’t like dots. We don’t like the Opera House with things projected on it. We don’t like boomerangs. We were very opinionated about things not being cliched,” she said.

Uluru statement leader Roy Ah-See said the launch of the ad was the start of a bigger campaign in the lead-up to the referendum.

“We need to shift and we need to move it along now and start to engage with non-Aboriginal Australia,” he said. “And we need to engage in a positive way, rather than using stuff that divides us.

“We have to stay upbeat, we have to be positive. So yes, you can see a lot more positive campaigning coming and you’ll see a lot more upbeat messages of hope.”

In Canberra, 50 Australians who form the Albanese government’s referendum working and engagement groups – including Marcia Langton, Tom Calma, Professor Davis, Noel Pearson, Mick Gooda and Tanya Hosch – will formally meet at Parliament House on Thursday to discuss ­details of the voice and the timing of the referendum.

After the Queen’s death delayed the gathering’s first meeting, a 20-member working group will help the government finalise best timing to conduct a referendum and the constitutional amendment and question put to the Australian people and discuss what campaigns and messages are needed to succeed.

The larger engagement group, which incorporates members of the working group, will try to build understanding, aware­ness and support for the referendum and have representatives from land councils, local governments and community organisations.

The final Indigenous voice co-design process report by Professor Langton and Professor Calma recommended it be made up of 24 members, including five representing remote regions and one member representing the significant number of Torres Strait ­Islanders living on the mainland.

Ms Burney was less prescriptive, committing only to representation of Torres Strait Islanders and young people.

The Langton-Calma report also recommended voice members be able to engage early with MPs before bills are introduced to parliament.

“What seems to be lost on everyone is at the end of the day it will be the parliament that will determine the shape and the role of the voice,” Ms Burney said.

“It’s up to how the parliament wants to use the advisory body and what the advisory body feels is appropriate. It’s not up to me to say ‘This is what it will be’, it’s up to me to consult, listen to the views of the Prime Minister, cabinet, parliament, the views of the Australian people both Aboriginal and non-Aboriginal and various sectors – we’ve got really good support from the business sector, the faith sector has been fabulous. The union sector.

“It’s about reaching out, and not getting ahead of ourselves.”

While the Albanese government has promised to hold a referendum on whether to enshrine a voice to parliament in the Constitution in this term of parliament, Ms Burney on Sunday would not commit to a specific timeframe.

The debate to date has featured criticism of the plan by Indigenous senators Jacinta Nampijinpa Price of the Country Liberal Party and the Greens’ Lidia Thorpe, as well as concerns over the detail of just how it will operate.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

“It’s about reaching out, and not getting ahead of ourselves.”

Buy that story & you’ll just love the brochure I’ve got on fixed structures that span rivers & can stand the weight of fully-laden motor lorries.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
September 25, 2022 10:22 pm

Caught a touch of play school this morning..
Who knew it was vital to turn 2 minutes of a 5 minute “ walk through the bush” with Dollie’s skit into an infomercial about “ cultural burning”….

RABZ it now.

rickw
rickw
September 25, 2022 10:22 pm

Andy Detwiler passed away the other day.
Cancer.

I was subscribed to his channel, absolute legend. How he did what he did with no arms is simply incredible.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 25, 2022 10:23 pm

Buy that story & you’ll just love the brochure I’ve got on fixed structures that span rivers & can stand the weight of fully-laden motor lorries.

What’s this – the fifth attempt to set up an Aboriginal advisory “Voice” to Parliament?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 25, 2022 10:32 pm

Anyway “Sliante” to all you hairy mob.

A mystery collector bought Adolf Hitler’s watch. Who would do that?
By Luke Benedictus
September 23, 2022 — 1.53pm

Do inanimate objects have a memory? Can they store experiential information in some metaphysical form? I’m not posing this cosmological head-scratcher for my own benefit, you understand. It’s more for the mystery buyer who bought Adolf Hitler’s wristwatch last month for $US1.1 million.

Made by the Swiss brand Huber, with a swivelling caseback similar to a Jaeger-LeCoultre Reverso, the watch isn’t shy about its ownership. The case is engraved with a bold swastika lacquered in red, white and black. Stamped directly below this are the initials of the man responsible for orchestrating the systematic murder of six million Jews.

Alexander Historical Auctions in Maryland in the US, which sanctioned the sale of Hitler’s watch, has refused to disclose the buyer’s identity. All it has revealed is that it was bought by a “European Jew” – info presumably shared to reassure people that it wasn’t snapped up by some goose-stepping loon.

The sale of Hitler’s watch is hardly surprising given the crazed market for watches with famous provenance. Over the years, auctioneers have hammered off everything from Albert Einstein’s Longines ($US596,000 in 2008) to JFK’s Omega Slimline ($US350,000). Prospective buyers of celebrity wristwear do tend to need deep pockets, though. The Rolex Daytona belonging to Paul Newman sold in 2017 for $US17.8 million.

Indolent
Indolent
September 25, 2022 10:38 pm
JC
JC
September 25, 2022 11:45 pm

Rick w

The RBA may have negative equity, but it’s not “broke” in the non-government sense of the word. It’s a simple accounting entry from the government (budget) to the RBA to replenish the balance sheet. It’s a non-issue.

JC
JC
September 25, 2022 11:59 pm
rickw
rickw
September 26, 2022 1:01 am
rickw
rickw
September 26, 2022 1:03 am

It’s a simple accounting entry from the government (budget) to the RBA to replenish the balance sheet. It’s a non-issue.

That’s what I thought, but you would think it would have got a bit more coverage?

calli
calli
September 26, 2022 2:02 am

Sat by the Ouse drinking cider this afternoon. Some swans were swimming around by the bridge with four very large cygnets. Meanwhile a hopeful angler had his line in the murky water. I don’t think I’d like anything taken out of that river.

York Minster is remarkable both for its size and medieval glass, much of which has been restored. I don’t think it rivals Chartres in colour and brilliance, but it’s still marvellous. York itself was packed, being a Sunday. The Shambles was fun, but way too many people and too many cheap Chinese “souvenirs”. All the little half-timbered buildings seem to be holding each other up. Which makes sense as in York there’s a pub for every day of the year.

Cheek by jowl with the buskers are the beggars. Yes, York has beggars – the hotel in which we are staying used to be an almshouse, so nothing really changes.

Tom
Tom
September 26, 2022 4:03 am
Tom
Tom
September 26, 2022 4:04 am
Tom
Tom
September 26, 2022 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
September 26, 2022 4:07 am
Tom
Tom
September 26, 2022 4:08 am
Tom
Tom
September 26, 2022 4:09 am
Tom
Tom
September 26, 2022 4:10 am
Tom
Tom
September 26, 2022 4:12 am
Tom
Tom
September 26, 2022 4:13 am
Tom
Tom
September 26, 2022 4:14 am
Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 26, 2022 5:48 am

Mark Knight is really good at sport cartoons, that one made me chuckle.
Does get him in trouble sometimes though.
Thanks Tom!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 26, 2022 5:56 am

Where’s Matt? Hospitals stuffed, ambulance times stuffed, public transport being run into ground.

Rockdoctor – Here you go:

Victorian Liberals to give new hospital an Indigenous name if elected (Sky News, 25 Sep)

Surely this will have people lining up in droves to vote for the Libs!

Zipster
Zipster
September 26, 2022 6:09 am

Johannes Leak.

Leak is off narrative. Nobody is offering Putin any of these choices.

Zipster
Zipster
September 26, 2022 6:21 am

so many are dumb & blind

Roger Stone, an adviser to former President Donald Trump, has said there is “a group of politicized thugs at the top of the FBI who are using the FBI … as Joe Biden‘s personal Gestapo.” A majority (53%) of voters now agree with Stone’s statement – up from 46% in December – including 34% who Strongly Agree. Thirty-six percent (36%) disagree with the quote from Stone, including 26% who Strongly Disagree.

rosie
rosie
September 26, 2022 6:34 am

No domestic flights, no cruises, I’m sure Norway gets a little something from tourists,
after all, they are the most hypocritical climate changy country in the world
‘Hordes of trash tourists’: Campaigners demand end to ‘parasite’ cruises

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 26, 2022 6:34 am

BoN those Vic SFL sure are edgey.

rosie
rosie
September 26, 2022 6:39 am

I saw some of the work being done already where the line parallels the Newell in northern NSW, dozens of diggers operating at once.
Farmers fear Inland Rail embankment will make life worse as they endure six floods in six months

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 26, 2022 6:41 am

Erin Molan must have some sort of titanium contract with Skah.

There’s an ad for her latest offering after the utter and abject failure of at least two ‘projects’. This one apparently deals with people who are unkind – to her, it would seem – on social media.

Said ad has her wielding a styrofoam sledgehammer, and using it to smash a sheet of glass or perspex or something positioned between her and the camera before looking sternly out at the viewing public.

The show’s called ‘Haters Online’. Well I’m online, and I hate it.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 26, 2022 6:42 am

KD I sure was disappointed the cheats got beaten by the sub continental truck drivers in shit and giggle. The truckies had the advantage with the hole in the floor.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 26, 2022 6:48 am

Reading the Australian media (the Oz & the ABC only), China is just peachy with Wong telling China to get back in their box at the UN.
From the CCP daily, here’s what China is saying.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202209/1276076.shtml

rosie
rosie
September 26, 2022 6:51 am

Duncan Halse the Labor member for Ringwood retires at this election. He has a toddler so not aged related, I think there was a little scandal, anyhow he’s out and there is a new stale pale male candidate Will Fowles, who was member for Burwood, now abolished,and has had some scandals of his own, running against a lib female.
Classic Labor, grew up in Hawthorn attended Scotch College, Monash University..

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 26, 2022 6:52 am

Crazy cat lady.

Next year Duke University Press is scheduled to publish Marx For Cats: A Radical Bestiary, by Leigh Claire La Berge, who teaches at Free University of Berlin.

“In offering a feline narrative of our economic past, I argue that Marxism not only has the potential to be an interspecies project but that it already is one. And in using that knowledge and those histories presented here in cat-form, I suggest that we may collectively plot a new future together, one which recognizes the work that cats have always done for Marxists and one which wonders: what political commitments can Marxists make to cats?”

Now I know what you’re thinking: Surely this is yet another Sokal Hoax. Nope—Prof. La Berge is a for-real leftist

And Now Get Ready for . . . Feline Marxism? | Power Line (25 Sep)

I can foresee that her future will feature lots and lots of cats. As for Marxism the usual thing it offers to cats is being eaten by hungry proles.

Anchor What
Anchor What
September 26, 2022 6:53 am

Vote for a republic and you’ll get the Iranian model. A religious theocracy with Climate Change at its centre, and USA style enforcement.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 26, 2022 6:54 am

I sure was disappointed the cheats got beaten by the sub continental truck drivers in shit and giggle.

The Mumbai Mack Drivers were also advantaged by the continuing appearance of that Peter Garrett impersonator and avid Chai-nerr fan Steve Smith. The sooner he sooks his way to early retirement the better.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 26, 2022 7:01 am

Classic Labor, grew up in Hawthorn attended Scotch College, Monash University.

So not at all a white privileged male then?

Sixty Labour Members Attend Anti-Monarchy Event Slamming King Charles as ‘White Privileged Male’ (25 Sep)

Sixty Labour members including a Member of Parliament attended a ‘Labour for the Republic’ event where King Charles III was slammed as a “white privileged male”.

Paging Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer, Knight Commander of the Order of the Bath, for comment.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 26, 2022 7:04 am

Overnight:

A mystery collector bought Adolf Hitler’s watch. Who would do that?

From a purely military perspective, I can potentially see why a collector with sufficient coin would want Dolfy’s watch.

Hitler insisted on having the Reich – unlike the British and any other empire – remaining on Berlin time. This watch, assuming it’s not a forgery, would have been worn and used by him to count down the kickoff of Operation Barbarossa in 1941, which ultimately brought down the vun tousand year Reich, his ideology and himself.

On the eastern Front alone, his insistence on everything being two hours behind caused immense drama and logistical nightmares. I don’t want his watch, but I can see why some people would.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 26, 2022 7:16 am

Bruce of Newcastlesays:
September 26, 2022 at 7:01 am
Classic Labor, grew up in Hawthorn attended Scotch College, Monash University.

So not at all a white privileged male then?

Sixty Labour Members Attend Anti-Monarchy Event Slamming King Charles as ‘White Privileged Male’ (25 Sep)

Sixty Labour members including a Member of Parliament attended a ‘Labour for the Republic’ event where King Charles III was slammed as a “white privileged male”.

Paging Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer, Knight Commander of the Order of the Bath, for comment.

Every one of them would line up to receive a Gong.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 26, 2022 7:20 am

The Sook showed what a weak leader he was by getting involved with the Houso ranga and sandpaper. All the bowlers knew what was going on each time they touched the ball. The whole team should have been sacked.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 26, 2022 7:23 am

Classic Labor, grew up in Hawthorn attended Scotch College, Monash University..

But Rosie he knew someone who was disadvantaged, well passed them in the street after crossing the road in case some of the dirt became dislodged.

lotocoti
lotocoti
September 26, 2022 7:53 am

Arise ye workers from your slumbers,
Bib Boy is here to seize the means of production.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 26, 2022 7:57 am

The whole team should have been sacked.

Potentially. The bowlers (now known, in the current vernacular as ‘the bowling group’) certainly knew. Every bowler who’s ever bowled will give the pill a look walking back to the run-up start point, and on the turn. They know – they know – what normal wear and tear is, and what isn’t.

That said, if you sack the lot it creates a flood of muddy water and litigation for years, given the earn these blokes are getting out of the game. The coach, Lehmann – one of the most prolific Shield batsmen ever, and who was undoubtedly unlucky not to have played 50 more Tests than he did because of the talent in the Australian top order at the time – jumped before he was pushed, and was in on the giggle.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 26, 2022 7:58 am

Bancroft, who had the sandpaper in the jocks and who tried to convince the umpires he was using a sunglasses cover instead – is viewed by many as a vulnerable relatively new addition to the team who was coerced by Warner. That’s a load of shit – Bancroft was 26 years old at the time, an experienced Shield player and knew exactly what he was doing, which was ingratiating himself with the ‘in’ crowd consisting of Warner, Smith and the coach.

The mid-on and mid-off fieldsmen are known as the ‘ball managers’ because they take responsibility for the pill’s condition before it gets to the bowler. Nothing wrong with that, unless your name is Warner and you’re orchestrating a campaign of deliberate dishonesty. Little hand signals were exchanged whenever Warner believed that pill needed a bit more dusting up on one side.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 26, 2022 8:06 am

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Teach your children about socialism by making them clean the bathroom.

Then, pay them £10.

Then, take back £7 from them.

And give that £7 to another sibling, who didn’t do any of the work.

I bet your children won’t be socialists for long. ? This was further down in the tweets lotocoti. Says it all.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 26, 2022 8:15 am

Knuckle Draggersays:

September 26, 2022 at 7:57 am

The whole team should have been sacked.

Potentially. The bowlers (now known, in the current vernacular as ‘the bowling group’) certainly knew

If you don’t believe that, try doing something to the ball they don’t like.
Firstly, they notice it.
Secondly, they carry on like you dropped their first-born onto concrete.
Yes, when the ball hits the pad and rolls across lush green grass to Bancroft and comes back with one side looking like it has been dragged a mile down a dirt road … they know.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 26, 2022 8:18 am

I still find it almost unbelievable how stupid the sook was, the other two not at all.

Indolent
Indolent
September 26, 2022 8:22 am

So Few People Are Getting the Fifth Jab That We Should Expect the Imminent Surge of Fearmongering

To counter this, it appears the powers-that-be are pushing for a new round of Pandemic Panic Theater. One way they may try to do this is by spreading the new subvariant to Omicron, BA.2.75.2. This subvariant, already spreading fast across India and popping up in other nations, including the United States, is five times more antibody-evasive than other variants and subvariants. Whether one has been jabbed or has had a previous strain of Covid-19, including the current prominent strain of BA.5, this new subvariant appears to sidestep immunity.

Indolent
Indolent
September 26, 2022 8:24 am
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 26, 2022 8:25 am

Only [5] days left to save the Daily Exposé.
Get on it folks.

rosie
rosie
September 26, 2022 8:33 am

Omicron to peter out into just another common cold, apparently just to spite Brett Sutton

Indolent
Indolent
September 26, 2022 8:40 am

Only [5] days left to save the Daily Exposé.
Get on it folks.

Sancho, I usually don’t bother with your cute replies but just one point – unlike many other publications, you can always read their articles for free simply by simply closing the request for support. If that’s too much trouble, then don’t.

Whether you agree with their analysis or not, it’s always based on official data with a link to the source. I would suggest you actually read the one about children, which starts –

At the end of August, we exclusively revealed that official mortality figures for Europe showed a shocking 691% increase in excess deaths among children up to week 33 of 2022 since the European Medicines Agency extended the emergency use authorisation of the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine for use in children aged 12 to 15 in May 2021.

Our investigation has since forced the European Union’s official statistics department to begin a Europe-wide investigation into why there has been a significant increase in excess deaths among children aged 0 to 14.

It seems to me that if they can succeed in pressuring the E.U. into investigating their efforts might just be worthwhile – might even be worth supporting.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 26, 2022 8:40 am

I had the remainder of that rant Internal Server Errored.

Suffice to say that none of those three should have been permitted to have any involvement in the game, at any level for the remainder of their lives.

This will be a stain on the game that will only be partially removed when all three have retired, preferable after some form of ladyboy scandal.

Roger
Roger
September 26, 2022 8:41 am

What’s Mark Knight’s ‘toon all about then?

Johnny Rotten
September 26, 2022 8:44 am

The Head of Pfizer is a Veterinarian

Albert Bourla is a veterinarian and not a medical doctor who is making a fortune selling his vaccines, not for animals – but people. He is the chairman and chief executive officer of Pfizer, after joining the company back in 1993. He use to be the chief operating officer.

He has COVID again. It seems that those who took the vaccine are developing immune deficiency to COVID like Biden who keeps getting it multiple times. I am not vaccinated, had it once, and that was it. When my daughter insisted I should go to Tampa Hospital to see the head of pulmonary, I said I was tested 5 times and it was always negative. He said the tests were not valid and they still think it was COVID. I went to a new doctor after my old one retired, when he asked if I was vaccinated and I said NO!, I was waiting for the propaganda. He said – Good!

Since this veterinarian tells the world we must be vaccinated, he seems to then listen to the CDC on how to take his own shit. When history is written about this period, I do not think it will be kind to this veterinarian handing out medical advice to people.

I would always make sure my kids were vaccinated. I would take the flu shot sometimes. Now, I will not take anything that comes from Pfizer. I would not trust this guy, especially with my dog. No wonder – he never had to take the Hippocratic Oath.

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/disease/the-head-of-pfizer-is-a-veterinarian/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 26, 2022 8:44 am

Whether you agree with their analysis or not, it’s always based on official data with a link to the source.

And, as Dr F and others frequently point out, what follows is a maths and stats abortion.

I would suggest you actually read the one about children, which starts –

I’ll pass thanks.
Once a site has been proven beyond doubt to be full of shit, I tend to avoid.
But I might buy him a cup of coffee.
Maybe.

rosie
rosie
September 26, 2022 8:45 am

What happened to those claims about an outbreak of vaccine caused hepatitis in children?
Put those in the bottom draw of the forgotten?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 26, 2022 8:48 am

Rogersays:

September 26, 2022 at 8:41 am

What’s Mark Knight’s ‘toon all about then?

AFL.
Cats eating Swans alive.
One of the empty Swans jumpers – jerseys to you – is number 23, Buddy Franklin.
I predict Buddy will play until about Round 5-6 next year and retire due to “chronic injury”.

Indolent
Indolent
September 26, 2022 8:50 am

It is so ON! Rep. Thomas Massie calls out the entire January 6 Committee over Ray Epps and OH HELL YEAH

I think it’s pretty clear that Epps was an FBI provocateur. Now they’re trying to pretend he doesn’t exist!

Indolent
Indolent
September 26, 2022 8:55 am
Roger
Roger
September 26, 2022 8:57 am

Cats & swans, eh?

All sounds a bit naff to me.

Indolent
Indolent
September 26, 2022 8:58 am
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 26, 2022 9:02 am

Rogersays:

September 26, 2022 at 8:57 am

Cats & swans, eh?

All sounds a bit naff to me.

Oh, it was.
After the first ten minutes it was like watching a truck repeatedly backing over roadkill.
And shitting on it through the hole in the floor.

Roger
Roger
September 26, 2022 9:03 am

I’m an Optus customer – anyone but Telstra – and I still haven’t been contacted by them re the data spill.

I suppose that might mean I’m not affected, but it seems to me this is an object lesson in how not to manage such a PR disaster.

That the CEO reportedly does not turn her phone on until 8.30am each day possibly goes some way to explaining the 24 hour delay in going public.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
September 26, 2022 9:03 am
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 26, 2022 9:04 am

Has anyone got the date for the next End Of The World?

rosie
rosie
September 26, 2022 9:10 am

Oops 1914

Roger
Roger
September 26, 2022 9:11 am

Leak is off narrative. Nobody is offering Putin any of these choices.

Not even his conscience.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
September 26, 2022 9:13 am

Q: Are other bat coronaviruses posing a threat to human health, even to the extent that new vaccines ought to be developed as recently suggested here?

A: This is yet another example of great scientists drawing the wrong conclusions. It is completely distracting us from the real issue, which is the increasing resistance of the ever-evolving circulating Omicron subvariants to all potentially neutralizing antibodies (Abs) in vaccinees no longer showing overt symptoms of C-19 disease. This unprecedented phenomenon will soon put tremendous pressure on the virulence-inhibiting activity of the infection-enhancing antibodies. Unless I am stupid, this is now rapidly paving the way for a global health disaster as always predicted.

What is the conclusion of these authors and why are they so wrong in advocating for new vaccines?

They conclude: ‘Critically, our findings highlight the urgent need to continue development of new, and broader-protecting sarbecovirus vaccines’ or: ‘Taken together, these results demonstrate that new recombinant sarbecoviruses may pose a threat to current SARS-CoV-2 vaccines.’

Questions should never be addressed at whether findings pose a threat to a vaccine but rather whether they pose a threat to (global) health! It is not because a virus can enter human cells and is resistant to Abs elicited against a heterologous spike (S) protein (originating from C-19 vaccines!) that it poses a threat to human health! What about viral virulence and the capacity of those bat coronaviruses to subvert the human innate immune system? If that capacity is low, then the human innate immune system will take care of it, just like it does in the bat! And even if the innate immune system would not achieve full viral clearance, it is highly unlikely that the remaining virus-infected cells or viral particles would not be removed in due time by MHC-unrestricted cytotoxic lymphocytes (CTLs) or newly induced Abs, respectively (unless the virus is highly infectious and invariably causes symptomatic infection!). In that regard, it is interesting to cite the authors’ own words : ‘the Khosta bat sarbecoviruses are genetically distinct from human SARS-CoVs in that they lack genetic information encoding for some of the genes thought to antagonize the immune system and contribute to pathogenicity, such as Orf8’. Well, Orf8 is known to primarily affect the host’s innate immune defense.

It is so wrong when scientists jump to conclusions that are merely based on their insights into a single scientific discipline (in this case, virology). Furthermore, it is highly likely that even vaccinees would be protected against the Khosta coronaviruses as they are now increasingly contracting breakthrough infections caused by new Omicron variants. The very authors of this publication are reporting data showing enhanced neutralization capacity in sera from vaccinees experiencing a vaccine breakthrough infection caused by the first reported Omicron variant (B.1.1.529). However, vaccine breakthrough infections caused by less distant Omicron subvariants (e.g., BA.2-derived) have been shown to elicit much broader cross-neutralizing capacity directed at more conserved S protein-associated domains.

Hence, trained innate immunity in the unvaccinated and more frequent breakthrough infections by less distant Omicron subvariants (e.g., BA.2- or BA.4/5-derived) in vaccinees almost certainly obviate the need for any global health concern related to new coronaviruses that zealous researchers may (continue to) detect in bats. Potential public/ global health concerns should never be based on virological or epidemiological findings only! Based upon the immunological considerations explained above, there is indeed no reason to believe that productive spill-over of bat coronaviruses or other animal coronaviruses to the human species cannot be controlled by natural immunity and ultimately be tamed by herd immunity as happened with other coronaviruses (i.e., common human coronaviruses, including types 229E, NL63, OC43, and HKU1) that primarily cause asymptomatic or mild to moderate infections in the human population . The C-19 mass vaccination program has clearly illustrated that vaccination does not work in an environment where the virus rapidly spreads and merely promotes natural selection and expansion in prevalence of viral variants that escape potentially neutralizing vaccine-induced Abs. No vaccine technology is currently capable of competing with the type of protective immunity that a pandemic confers to the population. The resulting herd immunity is typically broadly protective and sterilizing and therefore dramatically reduces viral transmission. No single vaccine can provide protective population immunity when used during a pandemic. Mass vaccination campaigns result in a type of population immunity that has exactly the opposite effect in that they promote viral transmission by virtue of natural selection of more infectious immune escape variants. As trained innate immunity is a cornerstone of herd immunity, all efforts to protect the population should focus on enabling herd immunity in ways that keep hospitalization and morbidity rates as low as possible. Vaccines will ultimately have the opposite effect whereas strengthening the population’s innate immune system (via healthy lifestyle) while avoiding overcrowding combined with early outpatient treatment of those with a weakened innate immune system (e.g., the elderly and those with underlying disease) are the holy grail for effectively and rapidly driving the virus into endemicity and minimizing the toll on human lives.

Last, it is interesting how the peer-reviewed literature continues to deny the impact of the C-19 mass vaccination program on SARS-CoV-2 immune escape. The authors of this paper seem to have found an elegant way to escape censorship by phrase the threat of immune escape as follows: ‘As individuals receive additional SARS-CoV-2 vaccine boosters and SARS-CoV-2 continues to circulate, new viral variants emerge that can alter and broaden the immune response to sarbecoviruses’!

Crossie
Crossie
September 26, 2022 9:17 am

lotocoti says:
September 26, 2022 at 7:53 am
Arise ye workers from your slumbers,
Bib Boy is here to seize the means of production.

That was really funny. The Bib Boy thinks that the rich have to live in his high tax heaven, he will find out that they go to no tax havens and take their money with them.

I was disappointed at the lack of nose rings and inked skin.

P
P
September 26, 2022 9:19 am

Retweeted by Poso:

In January 2020, Giorgia Meloni called for a travel ban with China. She was called an alarmist and a racist by the government, by Macron, by Merkel.

Then she spent the next two years fighting lockdowns, fighting the green pass, fighting compulsory vaccination.

Now she is PM.

https://twitter.com/GraduatedBen/status/1574153230497390592

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 26, 2022 9:20 am

Rogersays:

September 26, 2022 at 9:03 am

I’m an Optus customer – anyone but Telstra – and I still haven’t been contacted by them re the data spill.

Data spill. The correct term.

I suppose that might mean I’m not affected, but it seems to me this is an object lesson in how not to manage such a PR disaster.

I think it will turn into a financial disaster. You are obviously aware of it, but I can see the banks going Optus for fraudulent transactions during the period they failed to directly advise customers.

That the CEO reportedly does not turn her phone on until 8.30am each day possibly goes some way to explaining the 24 hour delay in going public.

Oh, I know the type. A “Presidential, I don’t sweat the small stuff style”.
Which is code for “never give her bad news”.
And you can also bet that “IT Security” was batting well down the order on the Exec Committee agendas, coming in behind “Diversity”, “Inclusion” and “Rainbow Initiative”, and often not getting a bat at all.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 26, 2022 9:28 am

Has anyone got the date for the next End Of The World?

Well if you go from Deut 7:9, multiply by 20 and deduct about 3,400 that gets you 16,622AD.

9 Know therefore that the Lord your God is God; he is the faithful God, keeping his covenant of love to a thousand generations of those who love him and keep his commandments.

After pointing this out a few times the JWs stopped visiting. I suspect I’m on their black list.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 26, 2022 9:28 am

Teh Paywallian thinks it’s time for Dave Rennie to spring a surprise. Perhaps a Wallabies win?

Roger
Roger
September 26, 2022 9:29 am

I think it will turn into a financial disaster. You are obviously aware of it, but I can see the banks going Optus for fraudulent transactions during the period they failed to directly advise customers.

Millenials don’t follow msm.

Some of them will still be blissfully unaware of what’s happened.

If this doesn’t turn in to a personal disaster for the CEO I’ll be most disappointed.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 26, 2022 9:33 am

https://twitter.com/i/status/1573846384058433537 Not that I can stand AuFuL but this is great.

JC
JC
September 26, 2022 9:37 am

Sanchez

Have Optus customers actually lost money from the breach?

This is a lesson to never allow auto withdrawals from your account.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 26, 2022 9:39 am

H B Bearsays:
September 26, 2022 at 9:28 am
Teh Paywallian thinks it’s time for Dave Rennie to spring a surprise. Perhaps a Wallabies win?

The look of despair from the Wobblies except the Pacific Island members was pitiful, but don’t worry the rest get a heap of dough for playing badly.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 26, 2022 9:41 am

I think it’s pretty clear that Epps was an FBI provocateur. Now they’re trying to pretend he doesn’t exist!

Massie should subpoena John Sullivan and his brother as well. I’m sure they could say some interesting things.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 26, 2022 9:48 am

Daily Mail.

Italy lurches to the far-Right in political earthquake: Exit poll finds ‘anti-woke’ Giorgia Meloni is set to win elections and become the country’s first female PM as EU state braces for its most right-wing government since Mussolini

Giorgia Meloni, 45, who ran on a motto of ‘God, country and family’, will become Italy’s first female PM
The Brothers of Italy party, headed by the one-time Mussolini supporter, had earlier led opinion polls
Exit poll now says the bloc of conservative parties have enough votes to control of both houses of parliament
It looks set to take office in a coalition with the far-right League and Silvio Berlusconi’s Forza Italia parties

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 26, 2022 9:48 am

An ex government agency head became unemployed. The esteem with which his staff held him was reflected in a job offer of an APS 5. Has recently taken a job in private enterprise as a middle manager. His new employer must think he knows something. I’ve got news. This is indicative of the uselessness of Government. He is not the only one in this position.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 26, 2022 9:48 am

JCsays:

September 26, 2022 at 9:37 am

Sanchez

Have Optus customers actually lost money from the breach?

We don’t know.
But the spill contained enough info to open accounts, except for photo ID.
I am suggesting that if someone used that data to access my accounts between the time of the data spill and the time Optus directly warned me, I think the bank might have a case against Optus.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 26, 2022 9:53 am

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/sep/26/first-ad-for-yes-vote-on-indigenous-voice-asks-all-australians-to-talk-about-referendum

For shame, BB, don’t you know Aborigines were treated as “Flora and Fauna”, and didn’t have the vote until the 1967 Referendum? Here’s our chance to put things right!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 26, 2022 9:55 am

EU state braces for its most right-wing government since Mussolini

All of the other governments must’ve been pretty lefty then, since Mussolini was a far-left totalitarian.

(If you could mine all this gaslighting Europe wouldn’t have a gas shortage.)

Jorge
Jorge
September 26, 2022 9:55 am

The stream of ‘jokes’ seems to have stemmed. And the lols.

Are they on the lol thread ?

Roger
Roger
September 26, 2022 9:57 am

Italy lurches to the far-Right in political earthquake: Exit poll finds ‘anti-woke’ Giorgia Meloni is set to win elections and become the country’s first female PM as EU state braces for its most right-wing government since Mussolini

Ursula mit die Karenhair’s comments were obviously received well in Italy then.

rosie
rosie
September 26, 2022 10:05 am

I pasted the text I got from optus last night, last night.
If someone does open a bank account in my name how I am supposed to know, which bank?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 26, 2022 10:06 am

Sorry, one of the local “elders” has gravely assured me that Aboriginals were barred from schools in the 1960’s – I asked him whether the scions of the prominent Noongar clans I went to school with, in the 1960’s, were figments of my imagination..

Crossie
Crossie
September 26, 2022 10:06 am

Roger says:
September 26, 2022 at 9:03 am
I’m an Optus customer – anyone but Telstra – and I still haven’t been contacted by them re the data spill.

I suppose that might mean I’m not affected, but it seems to me this is an object lesson in how not to manage such a PR disaster.

Roger, I got my email on Saturday and thought some of their advice was way too late, eg:

One item says ” Look out for contact from scammers who may have your personal information. This may include suspicious emails, texts, phone calls or messages on social media”. If this was only as a result of a hack then they have been hacked long ago, I have been getting emails for ages purporting to be from Optus. Then there were emails from various banks with whom I don’t have accounts.

Strange phone calls I lay at the feet of COVID checkins everywhere last year where we had to provide our phone numbers. I started getting strange text messages in the last couple of weeks which leads me to believe the hack may have occurred much earlier than they noticed.

Speedbox
September 26, 2022 10:08 am

DIY tattoo patches

Instead of sitting in a tattoo parlour for hours enduring painful punctures you can now DIY your own tattoo – and not in a “my cousin Steve can do it in his kitchen, don’t worry he’s only had three beers” kind of way.

Researchers at the Georgia Institute of Technology have developed low-cost, painless, and bloodless tattoos that can be self-administered with a skin patch containing microscopic needles. Microneedle tech is nothing new. It’s been used to painlessly administer drugs and vaccines to the skin without the need for hypodermic needles for years.

But used in tattoos, it could have applications from medical alerts to tracking neutered animals to cosmetics.

“We’ve miniaturized the needle so that it’s painless, but still effectively deposits tattoo ink in the skin,” principal investigator on the paper Mark Prausnitz said. “This could be a way not only to make medical tattoos more accessible, but also to create new opportunities for cosmetic tattoos because of the ease of administration.

“The goal isn’t to replace all tattoos, which are often works of beauty created by tattoo artists. Our goal is to create new opportunities for patients, pets, and people who want a painless tattoo that can be easily administered.”

What could possibly go wrong?!

rickw
rickw
September 26, 2022 10:08 am

In January 2020, Giorgia Meloni called for a travel ban with China. She was called an alarmist and a racist by the government, by Macron, by Merkel.

Then she spent the next two years fighting lockdowns, fighting the green pass, fighting compulsory vaccination.

Now she is PM.

Things like this make me wonder what’s wrong with Australia, when was the last time we did a U-turn away from stupidity?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 26, 2022 10:09 am

Bruce of Newcastlesays:

September 26, 2022 at 9:28 am

Has anyone got the date for the next End Of The World?

Well if you go from Deut 7:9, multiply by 20 and deduct about 3,400 that gets you 16,622AD.

You’re new to doomsaying, aren’t you?

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 26, 2022 10:09 am

There is no Right. Only Far Right.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 26, 2022 10:12 am

rosiesays:

September 26, 2022 at 10:05 am

I pasted the text I got from optus last night, last night.
If someone does open a bank account in my name how I am supposed to know, which bank?

It is more the use of the data to create authentic looking communications to get you to give account access, or they just drain the account or card you have given Optus.

Roger
Roger
September 26, 2022 10:13 am

Things like this make me wonder what’s wrong with Australia, when was the last time we did a U-turn away from stupidity?

2013.

The powers that be did their best and wrested control back.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 26, 2022 10:15 am

Italy lurches to the far-Right in political earthquake

Why is “lurching” uni-directional?

Crossie
Crossie
September 26, 2022 10:15 am

That the CEO reportedly does not turn her phone on until 8.30am each day possibly goes some way to explaining the 24 hour delay in going public.

That’s sounds about right from how the Optus CEO behaved so far. She is not paid enormous amounts of money to have a favourable life/work balance. If she couldn’t hack it she should not be there. I want somebody responsible in charge of my personal details and she is not it. By appointing her the Board has a lot to answer for.

Even a lowly supervisor like me has the phone on all the time so team members can let me know if their kid got sick overnight and they can’t come to work or similar circumstances. That a CEO of a huge corporation like Optus would cut off contact is unthinkable. Who does she think she is, Prime Minister of Finland?

Roger
Roger
September 26, 2022 10:16 am

Roger, I got my email on Saturday and thought some of their advice was way too late, eg:

I got nothing.

Either they’re super efficiently working out who’s personally affected or they’ve no idea.

Roger
Roger
September 26, 2022 10:18 am

She is not paid enormous amounts of money to have a favourable life/work balance.

She no doubt sees herself as setting a good example for the peons.

Crossie
Crossie
September 26, 2022 10:24 am

If this doesn’t turn in to a personal disaster for the CEO I’ll be most disappointed.

She should never be allowed to have another management position. She probably couldn’t get a job on the Myer cosmetics counter, she is not good at that either.

Johnny Rotten
September 26, 2022 10:27 am

A businesswoman was taking a trip to Italy. While she was packing to go, her husband says “Gonna be in Italy for a week huh? You gonna bring one of those sexy Italian girls back for me” and kind of giggles. His wife doesn’t say anything. When he took her to the airport, again he says, kind of jokingly “man those Italian girls are gorgeous, your bringing one home for me right?” Then he kind of laughs it off again. The wife goes to Italy for a week. She gets home before her husband. When he comes home says hello, gives her a kiss. Jokingly he asks “Did you bring back that Italian girl I asked for??” His wife says “I don’t know. We’ll have to wait nine months and see”.

Johnny Rotten
September 26, 2022 10:28 am

No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted.

– Aesop

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
September 26, 2022 10:28 am

Bib Boy is here to seize the means of production.

Love how he says there is a money tree – the top 1%.

I wonder if he realises that if you start harvesting more and more of their money they will stop being rich and then how will you pay for these programs? Or does he think that when you take more of people’s money the void just fills with more money – like one of those wishes people make of genies in jokes where someone asks for a mug of Guinness that never empties.

Looking at that guy(?) you can see the ferocity, the absolutely confidence in the ideology he has internalised, and that he can actually have experienced so little of what he wants to lecture us about.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
September 26, 2022 10:29 am

The American 13% Strike Yet again – The African Jungles are calling, but perhaps the African Jungles don’t want them back?

Shocking moment brazen brutes ransack Philadelphia Wawa store as they toss goods into the air, cackle and one TWERKS on a counter

. A group of what appeared to be juveniles ransacked the Wawa convience store in Philadelphia’s Mayfair district on Saturday night
.The crowd could be seen grabbing merchandise, throwing it across the store, screaming and twerking while others yelled at them
. It was the latest of such incidents that have seen Wawa’s looted and ransacked throughout Philadelphia as robberies soar by more than 40 percent this year
. The Wawa was previously hit by an armed suspect who also robbed another one of the store’s Philly locations this month

JC
JC
September 26, 2022 10:33 am

There is nothing radical about the Italian election. Looking at Meloni’s wiki bio, it appears that she’s done nothing much other than being a professional agitator from her early days. Even her educational levels are questionable. To me it appears to be same old, same old.

Italy needs a massive internal devaluation through massive deregulation of its labour and goods markets. If it leaves the Euro the new currency will collapse to a smidgeon of its value.

There’s no way around this unless they bite the bullet and I don’t believe that old society is prepared for this level of radicalism. A pity, as it’s headed down the mineshaft.

She may surprise and appoint an economics minister with balls. But I doubt it.

Cassie of Sydney
September 26, 2022 10:34 am

“2013.

The powers that be did their best and wrested control back.”

My joy at the landslide electoral win in September 2013 didn’t last long, in fact it only took a few weeks before the disappointment set in. First was the appointment of Stott Despoja and then we all know what ensued, I won’t bother repeating it, it became a tsunami of disappointment. I now think the 2013 election was a complete fucking waste of time. It was all in vein. When I ponder the last eight and a half years, I’m left to wonder why we bothered and quite frankly, I won’t bother again. I will never trust the Liberal Party of Australia again.
For almost a decade the Liberals and the Nationals have happily shat on their base and you know what? The Liberals and Nationals enjoy shitting on their base and it culminated in the disastrous November 2021 net zero emission’s decision, a catastrophic decision I think the Liberals will never ever be able to unravel from.

And let me state here and now, whilst I acknowledge the backstabbing of Abbott by Turdbull and others, I believe Abbott was a willing actor in his own ham performance between 2013 and 2015. In other words, he contributed to his own demise by being supine, gaff prone, feeble, acquiescent and docile.

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
September 26, 2022 10:35 am

Perth 6PR morning babblehead, Gareth Parker, just proclaimed that “there is overwhelming support for The Voice”.

He obviously doesn’t get out much, or is spouting the Fairfax party line in mortal fear of losing his well paid gig. (6PR is owned by Ch Nein/Fairfax).

Hohohoho.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 26, 2022 10:38 am

No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted.

” Acts of kindness done, are never forgiven.” Charles De Gaulle.

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