Open Thread – Tues 25 Oct 2022


The Seven Works of Mercy, Caravaggio, 1607

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rickw
rickw
October 27, 2022 5:18 pm

Like wearing knickers on an evening out?

No nickers story:

Back in the wild old days was hanging out with a lady from Samoa, we were in KL doing some work together.

Just about ready to go out, go into the bathroom to find her nickers in the middle of the bathroom floor. “Jeez, try and keep the place tidy!”, as I flicked the nickers into her suitcase.

She got a bit grumpy because apparently she’d made a last minute decision to spice things up, rather than her being a slob!

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 27, 2022 5:18 pm

Most importantly, has Premier Fuckface of Victoriastan had any utterance about Mzz Higgins?

Winston Smith
October 27, 2022 5:22 pm

ZK2A:

The revelations came as Police Commissioner Col Blanch urged the community to “refrain from unfounded speculation” in the midst of growing unrest, particularly on social media.
“The investigation into Cassius’ death is ongoing, and homicide squad detectives are building a picture of circumstances leading up to the attack,” he said in a statement late on Wednesday.

Translation:
“Shut up bigots, and let the violent rape of your neighborhoods continue while we investigate the circumstances of this attack over a few beers in the Sergeants Office. And don’t you even think of defending yourselves or you’ll do time in the pokey where you will be outnumbered 10 to 1.”

bons
bons
October 27, 2022 5:25 pm

Premier F….face.
No its Albanesi’s turn in front of the ABC/SBS cameras today.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 27, 2022 5:26 pm

The defence better insist on another cross examination.
Why?
Higgins was a very good witness, she’ll be just as good second time around..
Let’s talk about the Defence:
It’s signature move is finding laughable reasons vwhy the trial shouldn’t proceed.
Like a Soccer “player” falling in a heap every 5 minutes calling for a penalty.

Winston Smith
October 27, 2022 5:36 pm

The Frolicking Moll:

As I posted the other day, once police start with race based law enforcement (official policy in WA that EVERY effort must be made to keep Aboriginals from lockup/jail) and choose to ignore crimes because of the race of the potential perps you leave people with vigilantism (and all its horrible side effects, such as this case) as a choice.

I gave you three dickless upticks under my 3 nom de blogues Winston Smith, Winston Smiths Keyboard, and Winston Smiths Mum.

dopey
dopey
October 27, 2022 5:37 pm

Sounds like Brit was contemplating doing something drastic.

Winston Smith
October 27, 2022 5:38 pm

Calli:

I wonder what the “material” was and how it was delivered and by whom.

I wonder if that would be considered “contempt of court”?

calli
calli
October 27, 2022 5:39 pm

“I want to thank the people of Australia who have rallied behind me, those who chose to attend the March for Justice, and I want to thank the workers and Canberra’s healthcare system without whom I literally wouldn’t be here today.”

No one has “rallied” behind you apart from activists, the MSM and political opponents of the last government, including its PM.

March for Justice? When was that? What was it about?

Canberra healthcare system. Hmmm. I presume she took a “turn”. The “literally” might be a clue but they use it with such gay abandon these days it could mean anything. Did she pop some pills?

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 27, 2022 5:39 pm

Yep, if as reported, that murder is both an unspeakable crime and an unintended consequence.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 27, 2022 5:41 pm

Contempt of court Britnah.
She just made a fool of the judge over the supposed juror mistrial.
Is it really possible that she’s this stupid and her advisors just as thick?
Blew her credibility in one statement. Would she throw someone under bus just to save herself and look good?
You betcha!

JC
JC
October 27, 2022 5:45 pm

JC,
Whenever you see a post by somebody you don’t like how about instead of reacting with a smartarse comment you just scroll by? It’s real easy.

Rooster, if you followed the standard you expect from others then that would be real easy but you don’t. At least I directed my comment to yours while you don’t. So expect the same standard from me, champ. Nothing more but certainly nothing less.

harrys on the boat
October 27, 2022 5:47 pm

I didn’t follow Britneh/Bruce trial much, but am I correct in that the prosecution weren’t able to dredge up one witness, one text, one email that showed Lehrman as some deviant sex maniac? They couldn’t even get someone to lie?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 27, 2022 5:53 pm

three dickless upticks

My life is now complete.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 27, 2022 5:56 pm

Calli

Canberra healthcare system. Hmmm. I presume she took a “turn”. The “literally” might be a clue but they use it with such gay abandon these days it could mean anything. Did she pop some pills?

Tried for a new record for vodka shots before midnight on a Friday?

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 27, 2022 6:05 pm

Vigilante-ism?
Don’t have a fainting fit, Granma.
Country areas are violent, full stop.
Someone was having a big cry about Activists a few minutes ago.
Well, Activists and The Australian are running wild in the common sense vacuum around this death, but the takeout for the reality based community is:
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Black Ball
Black Ball
October 27, 2022 6:05 pm

Lol. Radio man tells me that Craig Foster is a Socceroo legend. Since when?

duncanm
duncanm
October 27, 2022 6:06 pm

harrys on the boatsays:
October 27, 2022 at 5:47 pm
I didn’t follow Britneh/Bruce trial much, but am I correct in that the prosecution weren’t able to dredge up one witness, one text, one email that showed Lehrman as some deviant sex maniac? They couldn’t even get someone to lie?

well, he was born in TEXAS. There is that.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
October 27, 2022 6:07 pm

Wow. We just got hailed on, big chunks of ice too. I have never seen this far north.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 27, 2022 6:10 pm

… but am I correct in that the prosecution weren’t able to dredge up one witness, one text, one email that showed Lehrman as some deviant sex maniac?
No, you’re not correct.
Just as Defences can’t bring up a Rape complainant’s Sexual History anymore, the Prosecution can’t bring up details of a Defendant’s past either.
Keep in mind, the Defence coulda called witnesses to testify to The BruceSter’s good character, but they passed on that one.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 27, 2022 6:11 pm
miltonf
miltonf
October 27, 2022 6:12 pm

So Higgins is a lieboral pardy insider. No wonder I don’t vote for them anymore.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 27, 2022 6:17 pm

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Except it may not have been that group “playing stupid games’ you massive tard.
Even if it was, being beaten to death is hardly a just outcome.

Thats one of the reasons vigilantism is a bad idea.
And the entire basis of why the police & justice system are supposed to exist.

shatterzzz
October 27, 2022 6:19 pm

Lol. Radio man tells me that Craig Foster is a Socceroo legend. Since when?

Standard Oz media whenever any of our sportsfolk, current /past are mentioned nowadays .. legend, superstar, gun ect .. we doesn’t have any normal, average or run o’ the mill performers anymore ..
it’s the every-sportsperson-wins-a-prize syndrome .. LOL!

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
October 27, 2022 6:20 pm

Appeal to the Cat brains trust-
Rebuilding a jarrah bridge- between the top timbers and the beams there is a sheet of bitumenised fabric as a water barrier, deck spikes are driven through. It’s now perished a fair bit in places, and I’m trying to replace it rather than use plastic. Paint or tar is not really an option, because of the fraying of the beam timber and the river below.
Any knowledge of what it’s called, where it may be available? I’ve had no luck at building supplies or pool company, my know-all bloke who was good for this sort of stuff is dead.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 27, 2022 6:21 pm

An indigenous marriage celebrant wants a ‘racist’ statue of Australia’s first prime minister removed from a regional town’s waterfront because it is ‘offensive’.

Arlene Mehan is behind a push to have Sir Edmund Barton’s statue uninstalled from Port Macquarie’s waterfront Town Green Park.

Daily Mail. Check out the complainer – she looks as “indigenous” as Uncle Bruce.

Mater
October 27, 2022 6:22 pm

Lol. Radio man tells me that Craig Foster is a Socceroo legend. Since when?

You can identify as whatever you want nowadays.
I was Napoleon yesterday. Today, world No. 2 in Quoits. Tomorrow…….

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
October 27, 2022 6:25 pm

You’ve got absolutely no idea, and are joining a pile on.—(talking about yourself again?)
she was also required by the judge not to make statements to the media – seems that requirement was also ignored.
During the Trial.
Trial finished today, Higgins addressed the Media later.
Good on her

The Judge was very careful in her direction that no statements should be made that may prejudice the next trial.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
October 27, 2022 6:25 pm

Wallam was a netball “star” before she’d ever skipped onto a court for the Daimonds, so yeah Foster is basically our demiurge.

bespoke
bespoke
October 27, 2022 6:27 pm

Thats one of the reasons vigilantism is a bad idea.
And the entire basis of why the police & justice system are supposed to exist.

The mole makes sense but don’t let fool you. Don’t follow his links unless you’re into interspecies copulation.

cohenite
October 27, 2022 6:27 pm

Just as Defences can’t bring up a Rape complainant’s Sexual History anymore, the Prosecution can’t bring up details of a Defendant’s past either.

You’re a fucking idiot. Similar fact evidence is not evidence but ss97, 97A, 98 and 100 of the Evidence Act 1995 allows for the past actions and tendencies of the accused to be admissible upon reasonable notice and acceptance by the court of its probative value.

Anchor What
Anchor What
October 27, 2022 6:27 pm

Possibly a lot of men “of a certain age” will regret having been born before the no knickers movement.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 27, 2022 6:28 pm

Thats one of the reasons vigilantism is a bad idea.
There was no “”vigilantism””.
You don’t even understand what the word means, you’re in such a hurry to cook up some phoney Emmitt Till scenario.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 27, 2022 6:28 pm

Check out the complainer – she looks as “indigenous” as Uncle Bruce.

Kimberly Aborigines would have said “Her mother bin eatum white bread.”

rickw
rickw
October 27, 2022 6:28 pm

Been sick with a cold the last couple of days, while CCP are on their three hour lunch break, have gone to top floors veranda area to rack out with a spill bag as a pillow!

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 27, 2022 6:29 pm

Wally Dalísays:
October 27, 2022 at 6:20 pm

I know the stuff you mean, a bridges refurb onsite had the stuff.
Nearest I can find online is this sort of thing though.

https://www.wpdgroup.com.au/blogs/news/the-four-main-types-of-bitumen-membrane-waterproofing-systems

Might help.

cohenite
October 27, 2022 6:31 pm

Daily Mail. Check out the complainer – she looks as “indigenous” as Uncle Bruce.

FMD; kunts like this will keep pushing until someone pushes back.

rickw
rickw
October 27, 2022 6:32 pm

I’ve had no luck at building supplies or pool company, my know-all bloke who was good for this sort of stuff is dead.

Have a look at bituminised damp course materials. Brick laying suppliers.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 27, 2022 6:32 pm

Higgins was put thru the wringer, and let down by a few people.
How did the Defence find out she wasn’t wearing pants?
That hadta come from someone close to her if it wasn’t in her Police Statement.

Winston Smith
October 27, 2022 6:32 pm

Salvatore:

She really does not understand how this works.
She is not the prosecution. She is one of the prosecution’s witnesses. It is the prosecution that receives anything obtained in discovery.

Correct – it seems that her entire life up to this point was one where she got away with shit, but now the real world has wagged the finger at her and said “It doesn’t work that way, Girlie”, she really is adrift and trying to reconcile the rules she’s used to and the rules as the rest of us have to abide by.
It’s hard for her.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 27, 2022 6:32 pm

Wally Dali, it could be malthoid, available at bunnings or if wider is needed a Sika product called bituminous membrane.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 27, 2022 6:32 pm

Instead of delivering teary monologues on the unfairness of the justice system Brittany and her lesbian victim support person would be more useful in highlighting how their conduct failed to support it. Including:
– failure to seek immediate medical attention or at the earliest opportunity;
– failure to preserve anything capable of providing forensic evidence;
– failure to make a police report at the earliest opportunity; and
– involving the media before the conclusion of any potential trial.
It is not the role of the judicial process to remedy or ameliorate the conduct of any party, particularly in criminal matters where the benefit of any doubt must accrue to the accused.

rickw
rickw
October 27, 2022 6:35 pm

Wali,

This is the stuff, even mentions separation of Timbers as an application:

https://www.mitre10.com.au/vesfelt-felt-bitumen-dampcourse-110mm-x-20m

miltonf
miltonf
October 27, 2022 6:35 pm

lesbian victim support person

That looks like a typical canbra cardboard cutout person

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
October 27, 2022 6:38 pm

There was no “”vigilantism””.

Ed-mong demonstrates why there is a cork on the end of his fork still.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/oct/25/aboriginal-boy-dies-after-allegedly-being-bashed-with-metal-pole-as-perth-police-investigate-alleged-racial-slurs

Police said teenager Cassius Turvey and a group of friends were approached by a 21-year-old man while walking home from school in Middle Swan on Perth’s outskirts on 13 October.

The man got out of a black Ford Ranger ute he was a passenger in before allegedly attacking Turvey with a metal pole.

Police said the accused man had damage to his vehicle a day prior to the assault.

cohenite
October 27, 2022 6:38 pm

Higgins was put thru the wringer, and let down by a few people.
How did the Defence find out she wasn’t wearing pants?

Are you wearing panties ed; are they crotchless; asking for a friend.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 27, 2022 6:38 pm

Top Endersays:
October 27, 2022 at 6:21 pm
An indigenous marriage celebrant

Is she a person who presides only over indigenous marriages, or an indigenous (ROFLMAO) person who presides over any marriages?

cohenite
October 27, 2022 6:41 pm

Just seeped out. The taliban demanded Bagram air base have all rubbish picked up before it was turned over to them. Biden ordered the marines to spend days cleaning up the base for the tallies. I really can’t think of a death painful enough for biden and his scum swamp.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 27, 2022 6:43 pm

Guardian Australia isn’t a credible site, dickhead.
Why not, ah, give the Defendant here the benefit of the doubt, the Presumption of Innocence, if you know what I mean?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 27, 2022 6:44 pm

FMD; kunts like this will keep pushing until someone pushes back.

Imagine this country if the “Voice” passes at referendum?

cohenite
October 27, 2022 6:44 pm
JC
JC
October 27, 2022 6:44 pm

Meta Platform / Facebook down 6% the regular market and then down 25% in the after market. Quarterly result was tearful .

And great news, Atlassian fell again.

rickw
rickw
October 27, 2022 6:45 pm

between the top timbers and the beams there is a sheet of bitumenised fabric as a water barrier, deck spikes are driven through.

On the top Timbers you should look at cutting a shallow drip groove about an inch either side of where the top Timbers cross the main beam. This will also help reduce the amount of water that wants to wick along the underside of the top timber and into the lap.

JC
JC
October 27, 2022 6:47 pm

Cronkite
Don’t despair, don’t assume the GOP isn’t cheating too. We hope.

cohenite
October 27, 2022 6:49 pm

Meta Platform / Facebook down 6% the regular market and then down 25% in the after market. Quarterly result was tearful .

And great news, Atlassian fell again.

Send the bastards some photos of cute owls.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 27, 2022 6:51 pm

Are you wearing panties ed; are they crotchless; asking for a friend.
I’ll take that as a Come On, cohenite.
Obviously, you’re a Double Gaiter, if not an outright Flamer, and while I’m flattered by your attention, I’ll hafta demur.
However, Scotty Bowers’ book is out, that may interest you?

bons
bons
October 27, 2022 6:54 pm

I just stumbled over a quote from Evan Whitton (Hillbilly Dictator) talking about strategies to unseat Bjelkie-Peterson.
He tried to convince people to stop referring to him as Joh. A nickname, he claimed, humanises a crook and a thug. Use the surname only because that indicates disrespect or even contempt.
So; Albanese only. Never Albo.

calli
calli
October 27, 2022 6:55 pm

Wally, sounds like you need a waterproof geotextile or membrane. Google it and see what comes up.

Shy Ted
Shy Ted
October 27, 2022 6:55 pm

To paraphrase Mick Dundee, “that’s a bloke” (trying to look like a woman trying to look like a bloke.
Sometimes I regret doing a bit of background

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 27, 2022 6:57 pm

Groogs only keeps the crotchless ones. He’s an experienced snowdropper.

calli
calli
October 27, 2022 6:58 pm

Sorry, just had dinner. Should have refreshed.

In other news:

The Judge was very careful in her direction that no statements should be made that may prejudice the next trial.

Team Brittany are above the law, or think they are. They may be correct.

Winston Smith
October 27, 2022 6:59 pm

JC:

Other examples are males pretending they’re females playing on female sports teams. Something decent has begun to stop that. One Carolina team (forget which Carolina) has forfeited a game because the other side had a pretend female playing.

And good on them.
I’m just surprised these girls fathers/boyfriends aren’t meeting the pretend girls in the car park for a bit of ‘ow’s yer mother’ for the hiding their girls are getting.

cohenite
October 27, 2022 6:59 pm

Obviously, you’re a Double Gaiter, if not an outright Flamer, and while I’m flattered by your attention, I’ll hafta demur.

Don’t deflect. Now, seriously, are your crotchless panties rubber or knitted. This is important, so be honest.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 27, 2022 7:01 pm

The statue of Edmund Barton in Port Macquarie has drawn criticism for creating an “unsafe space” due to his role in formulating the Constitution which didn’t recognise Indigenous Australians and in the now-abolished Immigration Restriction Act.

An “unsafe space?” Fvck me swinging.

cohenite
October 27, 2022 7:02 pm

So; Albanese only. Never Albo.

Rub and tug is better.

Goanna
Goanna
October 27, 2022 7:03 pm

Wally Dali @6.20.

You can buy bituminous products.
And you can buy canvas.

Make your own waterproof solution.

calli
calli
October 27, 2022 7:05 pm

Are these bwave indigenes fwightened of a statue?

Wrap them in cotton wool and pop them in a drawer for safekeeping.

calli
calli
October 27, 2022 7:08 pm

I like your thinking, Goanna! DIY at its finest.

Roofing and plumbing might be another lead. Pool builders and concritters use plastic membranes so they’re a no go.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 27, 2022 7:08 pm

Are these bwave indigenes fwightened of a statue?

Thanks, callie.

bons
bons
October 27, 2022 7:08 pm

Under totalitarianism, the condemnation of others becomes the primary way of saving oneself.
Michael Rectonwald.
Andrew’s dober appeals during his lockdowns.
But more so, Higgins claims.

bons
bons
October 27, 2022 7:10 pm

‘dobber’, stop it spell checker terrorist.

cohenite
October 27, 2022 7:10 pm
amortiser
amortiser
October 27, 2022 7:10 pm

There were those who’s parents gave them up to be looked after…cite you the prominent Western Australian activist whose mother gave him up because she was afraid her new partner would abuse her son….

She must have really wanted the root to do that.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
October 27, 2022 7:14 pm

Has Pirate Pete and Lisa signed up the naughty juror for a book deal yet?

Dot
Dot
October 27, 2022 7:22 pm

This juror thing stinks to high heaven.

If the juror convinced another to vote not guilty, I doubt in the political climate they already wouldn’t have already been identified and harassed & charged.

If they had to be convinced…now that’s possible but terribly convenient just before they were going to vote not guilty with the other 11, that this scrap of paper is found.

It is not unreasonable to consider the possibility that this was planted by one or more persons working in the court, be they of low or high station.

If I am wrong, the offending juror can be named, indicted and convicted.

calli
calli
October 27, 2022 7:22 pm

As we’re in building mode, and as a departure from endless Brattneying…

New builds in Western Sydney, with its many greenfield sites, are experiencing some interesting problems after the year of endless rain.

The Cumberland Plain is a mixture of soil types, the dominant one being Wianamatta Shale and highly reactive clay…a product of centuries of alluvial soil deposits. Which shrink and swell according to rainfall.

I have heard on the grapevine that the swelling has reached such a point that buildings on screw piles are drifting upwards. Double not good. Also that test pads for roadworks are returning some very odd readings on account of their mobility. Which is also not good for the proposed airport and its infrastructure. It’s an engineer’s dream or nightmare depending on how you look at it.

We shall see. But be prepared for potholes and bumps.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 27, 2022 7:23 pm

The real reason why Australia is struggling to find workers as foreigners explain the big issue with why they NEVER want to come back

. Global Work and Travel CEO Jurgen Himmelmann said foreign workers were scared of returning to . Australia after Covid border closures
. Australia’s borders stayed closed for longer than other migrant worker spots
. Grattan Institute data revealed there were 86 per cent less working holidaymakers in Australia in May 2022 than in September 2019

Australia was one of the first nations in the world to slam shut during the deadly coronavirus pandemic.

But as other countries learned to live with the virus and turned their focus to economic recovery, Australia remained closed, with international and interstate travel restrictions limiting foreign worker movement.

Australia’s horror lockdown and border closures are now a distant memory but foreigners have not forgotten, with an 86 per cent drop in working tourists.

Global Work and Travel chief executive officer Jurgen Himmelmann said when borders were finally open to foreigners earlier this year, too much damage had already been done.

Mr Himmelmann said lockdowns left overseas workers worried they could became trapped Down Under if another virus was to suddenly hit.

‘Since the borders have opened, we are seeing the same volume of people wanting to leave Australia (as before Covid) but not the same number of people wanting to come to Australia,’ he told News Corp.

‘We were expecting there to be some pent-up demand – that people would want to rush to Australia once everything opened up but people saw Australians being jailed for (breaking Covid quarantine laws). They saw people trapped.’

To make matters worse, migrants who did wait through the lockdowns to move to Australia are now facing massive delays with getting visas.

The median processing time for a skilled worker looking to permanently immigrate to Australia is five months.

A skilled worker wanting to temporarily move to Australia can expect their visa to take three months to process.

Real Deal
Real Deal
October 27, 2022 7:24 pm

Sometimes I regret doing a bit of background

Ted, what a vomitous puff-piece that was. That an allegedly experience journalist like Steve Evans can write merde like that shows what a parlous state the MSM is in.

Plus, if Heidi is standing next to Higgins, shouldn’t she be the Victims of Alleged Crimes Commissioner.

Canberra stinks like the Cook’s River at low tide.

Indolent
Indolent
October 27, 2022 7:26 pm

The very fact that a court order is required for something like this shows –

1. They are absolute not interested in scientifically tracking the effects of what is still a novel treatment. Hiding the data hardly instills confidence in the product.

2. They know full well how dangerous the shots are.

Court Orders Israeli Ministry of Health to Disclose Vaccination Status of Deceased People During Pandemic

Dot
Dot
October 27, 2022 7:27 pm

Save brittany, the whole shit-fest, belongs to scomo who is rivalling turdball as the worst conservative PM this convict colony has had.

This was top tier cohenite, as was the smackdown of Groogs re tendency.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 27, 2022 7:31 pm

She must have really wanted the root to do that.

It all got complicated – said activists father was unknown, and the new partner objected to raising someone else’s off spring…

miltonf
miltonf
October 27, 2022 7:31 pm

very interesting Calli- it seems insane that they are building bigly at places like McGrath’s Hill.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 27, 2022 7:31 pm

Dot – The most convenient thing is there’ve been no numbers. Was it 8:4 (hehe), or 11:1 or 1:11? Or even 6:6? We have no idea, and that hasn’t leaked. Each combination has its own political implications, none of which are helpful to the Cause. Hence no numbers. It stinks like a chundered-on sofa in a Minister’s office.

miltonf
miltonf
October 27, 2022 7:34 pm

Canberra stinks like the Cook’s River at low tide.

it sure does- a poisonous, parasitical place. Feeds off the host and damages it hugely.

calli
calli
October 27, 2022 7:35 pm

Charles is making up for his Dad.

During a walkabout at an Edinburgh electronics factory, Prince Philip remarked that a fusebox bursting with wires looked “as if it was put in by an Indian”. His remark prompted immediate condemnation.

Kumar Murshid, who chairs the national assembly against racism, said the prince’s comments were disgraceful. “This sort of thing is of great concern to us because people expect the royal family to set an example,” he said.

Boo hoo. Now they can dry their eyes.

bespoke
bespoke
October 27, 2022 7:39 pm

Plus, if Heidi is standing next to Higgins, shouldn’t she be the Victims of Alleged Crimes Commissioner.

She shouldn’t have been involved at all. If the opposition had eny balls they should ask why.

Rabz
October 27, 2022 7:40 pm

LOL:

the prince provoked similar offence when he asked a group of profoundly deaf children if they had lost their hearing listening to a Caribbean band that was obviously not to his taste

Indolent
Indolent
October 27, 2022 7:42 pm
2dogs
2dogs
October 27, 2022 7:45 pm

Right wing parties have this problem in that the moderates within their membership are too often elitist.

Hence Rishi Sunak and Malcolm Turnbull.

The problem is the thing moderate right wing elites comprise on tends to be climate change, which doesn’t actually win right wing parties any votes.

Grass roots right wing moderates tend to compromise on such things as welfare policies which could get the parties more votes, but such people get left unpreselected and unheard within right wing parties.

CMD Longtime Lurker
CMD Longtime Lurker
October 27, 2022 7:47 pm

If the person who spews for 95% of the personal abuse on this site will not take it to the duelling thread, then neither should anybody else.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 27, 2022 7:47 pm

callisays:
October 27, 2022 at 7:05 pm
Are these bwave indigenes fwightened of a statue?

Wrap them in cotton wool and pop them in a drawer for safekeeping.

How DARE you! These are a “proud” warrior race, who lost 60,000 dead in their long, ultimately failing, campaign to defeat and expel the invaders.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
October 27, 2022 7:47 pm

Ranga, Rick W, Calli, thanks a bunch, I reckon Malthoid is just the stuff. My roofer mate had drawn a blank, he’s never handled roofing felt outside of the UK in his career. Makes me wonder, where do the bricklayers get their materials from here in SW WA bungalow wonderland? Centrally packaged and delivered I suppose, and the renos and dregs are supplied by Bunnings. I’m considering nipping in to the green shed full of chinese crap tonight… it’s still sun up 5 o’clock here… but I’m wondering if there might be some in the blind spot of ye olde building product shoppe, open 6 AM.
Wrick, thanks heaps for that drip groove tip. That’s just the type of insider practiced knowledge that will probably disappear one day … esp as the Chief Protector of Natives has put the kybosh on jarrah milling forevermore.
Mate coming next weekend who’s drawing up renos, from that i’ll generate a cutting list for F5 90 x 35, and that’ll be the renovations bank for my time on this earth.

JC
JC
October 27, 2022 7:56 pm

CMD Longtime Lurker says:
October 27, 2022 at 7:47 pm

If the person who spews for 95% of the personal abuse on this site will not take it to the duelling thread, then neither should anybody else.

If the person who posts 100% of his comments complaining about me – which amounts concern trolling- doesn’t take their whining to the duel thread then no one should.

Lurkers paradise – get the iodine.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 27, 2022 7:58 pm

Vigilante-ism, eh?
You wouldn’t be a Labor Party activist posing as a conservative, by any chance?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 27, 2022 7:59 pm

How DARE you! These are a “proud” warrior race, who lost 60,000 dead in their long, ultimately failing, campaign to defeat and expel the invaders.

For shame! Don’t you know that the A.B.C. and S.B.S. give the death toll at 100,000 Aboriginal men, women and children, fallen in the “Frontier Wars?” The issue that there is no archeological evidence, to support such a claim, appears to be a trifling inconvenience.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 27, 2022 8:01 pm

Some of Prince Phil’s Best Lines

1. “It looks like a tart’s bedroom”—1988. One first seeing the plans for the Duke of York’s home at Sunninghill Park.

2. “It doesn’t look like much work goes on at this university”—2005. Overheard at Bristol University’s engineering facility.

3. “Bits are beginning to drop off”—2011. Prince Philip on his health in the run-up to his 90th birthday.

4. “Bugger the table plan, give me my dinner!”—2004. After a long wait at a dinner party.

5. “Yak, yak, yak; come on, get a move on.”—1994. Shouted to the Queen from the deck of Britannia in Belize.

6. “British women can’t cook”—1961. On a visit to the Scottish Women’s Institute.

7. “What do you gargle with, pebbles?”—1969. When talking to Welsh musician Tom Jones after his Royal Variety Performance. The day after, he added: “It’s difficult to see how it’s possible to become immensely valuable by singing what are the most hideous songs.”

8. “Young people are the same as they always were. Just as ignorant.”—2006. On the intelligence of adolescents at the Duke of Edinburgh Awards scheme.

9. “I declare this thing open, whatever it is.”—1969. On a trip to Canada, in the late sixties.

10. “Are we going to need earplugs?”—2002. After discovering Madonna would be singing the Die Another Day theme.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 27, 2022 8:02 pm

Dragon energy on the Cat today.

JC
JC
October 27, 2022 8:03 pm

Right wing parties have this problem in that the moderates within their membership are too often elitist.

The problem with conservatism is conservationism itself as it has no ideological moorings other than slowing down the progressivism of the left. That’s all it believes in and you see it in conservative parties all around the world, except the US to some degree as the Republican party is soaked with Classic Liberals and quasi-libertarians.

Unfortunately, if the only ideological underpinning is to slow down the left, then conservatives shouldn’t really complain.

I can explain in a couple of short sentences what classic liberal or libertarians believe. Not so with conservatives.

bons
bons
October 27, 2022 8:04 pm

For a long time I have held the view that one referendum proposal that would get up easily would be the elimination of the ACT. Keep the Triangle.
Even putting it up would provide a thrill watching all those rent cardigans.
If I ever rejoin a Branch I might put it up as a proposal just to watch the Brisbane Party dictatorship meltdown.

Bluey
Bluey
October 27, 2022 8:05 pm

OldOzziesays:
October 27, 2022 at 7:23 pm
The real reason why Australia is struggling to find workers as foreigners explain the big issue with why they NEVER want to come back

. Global Work and Travel CEO Jurgen Himmelmann said foreign workers were scared of returning to . Australia after Covid border closures
. Australia’s borders stayed closed for longer than other migrant worker spots
. Grattan Institute data revealed there were 86 per cent less working holidaymakers in Australia in May 2022 than in September 2019

Australia was one of the first nations in the world to slam shut during the deadly coronavirus pandemic.

But as other countries learned to live with the virus and turned their focus to economic recovery, Australia remained closed, with international and interstate travel restrictions limiting foreign worker movement.

Australia’s horror lockdown and border closures are now a distant memory but foreigners have not forgotten, with an 86 per cent drop in working tourists.

Global Work and Travel chief executive officer Jurgen Himmelmann said when borders were finally open to foreigners earlier this year, too much damage had already been done.

Mr Himmelmann said lockdowns left overseas workers worried they could became trapped Down Under if another virus was to suddenly hit.

‘Since the borders have opened, we are seeing the same volume of people wanting to leave Australia (as before Covid) but not the same number of people wanting to come to Australia,’ he told News Corp.

‘We were expecting there to be some pent-up demand – that people would want to rush to Australia once everything opened up but people saw Australians being jailed for (breaking Covid quarantine laws). They saw people trapped.’

To make matters worse, migrants who did wait through the lockdowns to move to Australia are now facing massive delays with getting visas.

The median processing time for a skilled worker looking to permanently immigrate to Australia is five months.

A skilled worker wanting to temporarily move to Australia can expect their visa to take three months to process.

I’ve been saying it for a probably two years now. So no shit.

calli
calli
October 27, 2022 8:07 pm

The D of E’s mother was one of the most interesting royals ever. I think you have to read between the lines of some of her history.

She’s a Righteous Among the Nations, which is enough for me.

JC
JC
October 27, 2022 8:09 pm

conservatism

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 27, 2022 8:10 pm

It’s all been said, but a couple of points:

1. As a ‘victim’ at the end of proceedings you’re in court to hear the verdict. The statement by Brittany Commando was clearly pre-prepared – and it also sounded suspiciously like a statement you’d make after a verdict of Not Guilt was returned by the jury.

I reckon she read her concession speech, with a couple of lines rubbed out here and there. The Victim Commish and her other acolytes were there, as rehearsed for the defeat performance, and it just may not have occurred to them – as clearly Brih-nee’s no rocket scientician – that her excruciating performance was in clear breach of what McCullum just told her not do so.

She’s been doing her own thing and applauded for it for so long now, she didn’t appreciate she might get pulled up on it; and

2. Brittany the Chiko Roll Champion of 2022 – you are the accuser, not the accused, and as such Lehrmann’s defence is entitled to test your credibility.

And they succeeded.

bespoke
bespoke
October 27, 2022 8:10 pm

Libertarian Paradise…

People often criticize a libertarian paradise saying that the homeless people would just be left to die in the gutter. This is of course complete bull. The gutter would be private property and the homeless will need to find somewhere else to die.

H/T internet

bons
bons
October 27, 2022 8:11 pm

Yep. Princess Aice could be a core module for any school citizenship program. What an enduring spirit.
Sorry. I forgot. No citizenship programs.

chrisl
chrisl
October 27, 2022 8:13 pm

Customers I find myself in a dilemma
Jim (gomer) Chalmers says electricity prices are going up
Dan (dictator) Dan says electricity prices are going down
Who to believe ?

JC
JC
October 27, 2022 8:13 pm

People often criticize a libertarian paradise saying that the homeless people would just be left to die in the gutter. This is of course complete bull. The gutter would be private property and the homeless will need to find somewhere else to die.

Consequences as an example to others. Ain’t that a bitch.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
October 27, 2022 8:13 pm

Old Ozzie

I used to be ambivalent to OS workers especially 457 visa types. Mostly their work was crap be it pommy grads who were on a 2 year paid piss trip or dodgy Chinese. I have had to fix up more than one wellsite after validation and that’s without even going near the mess if they have mis-sampled.

However after the downturn I am not so accepting. Especially after Uni’s keep pumping out useless disciplines that have no practical need that could be training our own instead.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 27, 2022 8:14 pm

Some of Prince Phil’s Best Lines

A New South Wales police officer, the almost legendary “Bumper” Farrell, in 1944, is alleged to have observed a Royal Naval officer, having a quiet slash in an alleyway, off Kings Cross. Said Royal Naval Officer copped a boot up the clacker, and a warning that “Next time I’ll lock you up.”

One would hope that that was the last time Prince Phillip was ever sprung, pizzing in a King’s Cross alleyway……

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 27, 2022 8:14 pm

The D of E’s mother was one of the most interesting royals ever.
If you find a lesbian whose 4 daughters married high ranking Nazis interesting, then, yeah?

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 27, 2022 8:18 pm

You’d hafta wonder what advice Leon Zwier gave her?
Make the speech/Don’t make the speech?

Cassie of Sydney
October 27, 2022 8:24 pm

“Republican party is soaked with Classic Liberals and quasi-libertarians.”

The Liberal Party also once had a good share of Classical Liberals, quasi-libertarians and conservatives. Menzies, who was a classical Liberal, had men like Richard Casey, Bill Wentworth, Jim Killen, Paul Hasluck and John Gorton.

Now it just has closet Greens

Mater
October 27, 2022 8:25 pm

The real reason why Australia is struggling to find workers as foreigners explain the big issue with why they NEVER want to come back…

as other countries learned to live with the virus and turned their focus to economic recovery, Australia remained closed, with international and interstate travel restrictions limiting foreign worker movement.

Telecasts going around the world showing Australian police patrolling the streets in armoured vehicles and disgorging heavily armed storm troopers to rounding up peaceful citizens, bashing and opening fire on them with rubber bullets from pump action shotguns, dragging them from their cars and invading their homes, didn’t do Tourism Australia or our Itinerant Worker numbers any favours either.

The myth of Australians all being cynical, laid-back, laconic and friendly people was put to the needle over the last 30 months…never to return (because it’s clearly now bullshit). The facade has been destroyed, and our point of differentiation with it.

Old bloke
Old bloke
October 27, 2022 8:27 pm

cohenitesays:
October 27, 2022 at 2:44 pm
I’m beginning to think some of the old coots here find young, fit women threatening.

And so they should, if experience is a guide.

Just yesterday, while humbly pushing my shopping trolley around the local supermarket, I was assailed by a young, fit woman who threatened me with all manner of terrible things if I didn’t immediately ravish her. Terrible situation, right there in the middle of the dog food and torch battery aisle.

Take care, it’s a jungle out there.

duncanm
duncanm
October 27, 2022 8:28 pm

Ed Casesays:
October 27, 2022 at 6:32 pm
Higgins was put thru the wringer, and let down by a few people.
How did the Defence find out she wasn’t wearing pants?

because she lied about it to Wilkinson and was questioned on that by the defence in court.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11314181/Brittany-Higgins-says-shes-embarrassed-court-clothing.html

As Ms Higgins returned to the witness box on Friday, she was shown a transcript of a question and answer session between her and The Project host Lisa Wilkinson on January 21, 2021. The Q&A came prior to her televised interview.

Defence lawyer Steven Whybrow asked if Ms Higgins recalled being asked by Ms Wilkinson ‘so she removed your panties?’ and if she answered ‘yeah’.

‘Do you recall giving an answer to that question?’ he asked.

Ms Higgins said: ‘Yes, yes I do. But it was wrong.
‘I didn’t wear underwear and I was embarrassed but that wasn’t the interview itself and there was no (statutory declaration) on that.

Cassie of Sydney
October 27, 2022 8:29 pm

“The D of E’s mother was one of the most interesting royals ever. I think you have to read between the lines of some of her history.

She’s a Righteous Among the Nations, which is enough for me.”

Interesting woman. I read Hugo Vickers’ biography of Alice. Great read. The two younger sisters of Princess Alice’s mother’s were the last Tsarina and the Grand Duchess Elizabeth, both murdered by the Bolsheviks. Alice inspiration to become a nun was the Grand Duchess Elizabeth’s legacy. Alice hid a Jewish family in Athens during the war, when Greece was occupied by the Nazis. She wasn’t scared of anyone.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
October 27, 2022 8:32 pm

Sancho

I found the death of the teen in WA very disturbing but was revulsed at Thorpe pushing it. He didn’t look like the turds we see here in NQ constantly breaking into cars/residences. Far from it. I know that tit for tat always ends up in tears, Duarte in PI and Thaksin in Thailand are testament to that and where it ends up at. Not good but as a resident of NQ we have had similar incidents here and as a community are no innocent bystanders.

Real leaders would defuse the increasing polarisation and balkanisation I see happening living in a part of Australia that has real aborigines not pretend ones. I have some grave reservations where this will end up…

Cassie of Sydney
October 27, 2022 8:33 pm

The bottom line, as evidenced by Brittaneeeee the Knickerless’ speech today, a speech written by someone else, is that the progressive left and their various wimmin have made it clear that they want to dispense with the presumption of innocence when it comes to white males.

duncanm
duncanm
October 27, 2022 8:34 pm

On the top Timbers you should look at cutting a shallow drip groove about an inch either side of where the top Timbers cross the main beam. This will also help reduce the amount of water that wants to wick along the underside of the top timber and into the lap.

I wish I’d heard of that trick six months ago. Involved (peripherally) with the rebuild of a heavy duty timber deck which needed many beams sistered due to rot and most of the decking replaced. They ran bituminous tape or plastic over the beams this time, but I like that idea of preventing the initial wicking under the deck timbers.

cohenite
October 27, 2022 8:34 pm

Don’t despair, don’t assume the GOP isn’t cheating too. We hope.

With Fetterman in Pennsylvania already receiving 255000 false postal ballots and pre voting having gone on already for a week it won’t matter that in the debate with the GOP senate rival candidate he looked and sounded worse than biden. The republicans think they’re winning because of the obvious demorat fuck-ups and some great take downs but the demorats know the cheating is the key and it will be occurring on an industrial scale. If fetterman wins and Kari Lake loses in AZ the US is completely gone.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 27, 2022 8:34 pm

Please, no talk about lack of panties till Groogs goes to bed. It makes him too excited to sleep.

duncanm
duncanm
October 27, 2022 8:34 pm

because she lied about it to Wilkinson and was questioned on that by the defence in court.

yet another example of Britnee no doing herself any favours by gasbagging far and wide prior to the trial.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 27, 2022 8:38 pm

Why don’t the AFP look at the search history of the juror who did the deed?
And their household.
If they’ve been searching for “how to scuttle a trial” it might be a good start.

John H.
John H.
October 27, 2022 8:39 pm

JCsays:
October 27, 2022 at 8:03 pm
Right wing parties have this problem in that the moderates within their membership are too often elitist.

The problem with conservatism is conservationism itself as it has no ideological moorings other than slowing down the progressivism of the left. That’s all it believes in and you see it in conservative parties all around the world, except the US to some degree as the Republican party is soaked with Classic Liberals and quasi-libertarians.

Unfortunately, if the only ideological underpinning is to slow down the left, then conservatives shouldn’t really complain.

I can explain in a couple of short sentences what classic liberal or libertarians believe. Not so with conservatives.

Good comment JC. Very appropriate given the subtitle of this blog is “destroy the left”. How’s that working out?

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 27, 2022 8:39 pm

Menzies, who was a classical Liberal, had men like Richard Casey, Bill Wentworth, Jim Killen, Paul Hasluck and John Gorton.
Classic trolling of the Liberal Party there.
Casey was a Flamer and suspected Jap spy in the 30s, Wentworth was a Flamer, Killen was a joke and Gorton wasn’t called Bungles for nothing.
Couldn’t you find any better examples?

flyingduk
flyingduk
October 27, 2022 8:39 pm

The defence better insist on another cross examination.
Why?

Because a new trail is a new trial – its not a ‘part of the old and part of the new’ trial

JC
JC
October 27, 2022 8:40 pm

Cassie

I beg to differ. Menzies was exactly that – a conservative. He did nothing to change one of the most fundamental economic relationships this country has, which is the impediments to the labor market.

Conservatives only believe in slowing down the left and that’s it. This is why some conservatives here wonder why conservative parties have done nothing over the past 40 years and allowed the left to progress… literally progress. But to do so slowly.

This is one of the big reasons Hayek explained why he wasn’t a conservative. Conservatism is basically leftism in disguise. Conservatives can be for all sorts of economic controls that the left would agree with. Even with social policy – once something like gay marriage is introduced, conservatives walk away from dismantling it. Ironically it was a conservative party that allowed gay marriage in Australia. And climate change? Conservatives either agreed with the left or want to play halvies.

The only party that would oppose the left would be a party made up of classic liberals and a minority of libertarians.

duncanm
duncanm
October 27, 2022 8:41 pm

The defence better insist on another cross examination.
Why?

and knowing the way this girl works, there’ll be a proverbial shed-load of new material to question her over by February next year.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 27, 2022 8:41 pm

because she lied about it to Wilkinson and was questioned on that by the defence in court.
How did the Defence find that out?

JC
JC
October 27, 2022 8:42 pm

Mr Ed

Don’t ever change.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 27, 2022 8:43 pm

Conservatives only believe in slowing down the left and that’s it.

That’s Malice’s mantra.

duncanm
duncanm
October 27, 2022 8:44 pm

I love you Ed.. never miss a trick.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 27, 2022 8:46 pm

Bear at 6:32.
Precisely.
If Britnah had told security immediately on the Saturday morning that she thought she had been ravished sans consent, the amount of guesswork required would have been reduced considerably.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 27, 2022 8:46 pm

Ed Casesays:
October 27, 2022 at 7:58 pm
Vigilante-ism, eh?
You wouldn’t be a Labor Party activist posing as a conservative, by any chance?

We leave that function to you, Richard Cranium.

JC
JC
October 27, 2022 8:48 pm

That’s Malice’s mantra.

Oh Okay. Good. I’ve been thinking about this for the past week or so and I think I’m right.
William Frank Buckley Jr., the founder of National Review described himself as a conservative. He said that one of the foundational principles of conservatism was to stand up, raise your hand and scream out stop. Good luck looking back 40 years and wondering what the hell happened.

JC
JC
October 27, 2022 8:49 pm

Mr Ed

Is Keating a flamer?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 27, 2022 8:51 pm

If Britnah had told security immediately on the Saturday morning that she thought she had been ravished sans consent, the amount of guesswork required would have been reduced considerably.

The security guard offered medical assistance and/or an ambulance.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 27, 2022 8:52 pm

William Frank Buckley Jr

You’re two from two, JC.
Malice hates Buckley Jr more than most conservatives.
Essentially says he was controlled opposition.

Roger
Roger
October 27, 2022 8:52 pm

Ironically it was a conservative party that allowed gay marriage in Australia.

The Liberal Party is not a conservative party.

Indolent
Indolent
October 27, 2022 8:54 pm
Boambee John
Boambee John
October 27, 2022 8:55 pm

bonssays:
October 27, 2022 at 8:04 pm
For a long time I have held the view that one referendum proposal that would get up easily would be the elimination of the ACT. Keep the Triangle.

The Parliamentary Triangle, the Lodge, ANZAC Parade, the War Memorial, Russell, Campbell Park, Duntroon and ADFA. The rest becomes part of NSW, or a new state based on SE NSW from Nowra to the Victorian border and west as far as Cootamundra and Wagga. Just for the fun of watching the toy local pollies try to manage more than a mayoralty and town council. I prefer the “part of NSW” solution as it is more practical (and saves two senators).

JC
JC
October 27, 2022 8:55 pm

Oh yes it is Roger. Just like every other conservative party is the West. Only belief is slowing down the left.

Cassie of Sydney
October 27, 2022 8:59 pm

“Ironically it was a conservative party that allowed gay marriage in Australia. And climate change? Conservatives either agreed with the left or want to play halvies.”

The Liberal Party is not a conservative party.

JC, how would you define Thatcher? She was a conservative on social issues but she did introduce radical economic reforms.

I now regard myself as a conservative. Ten years ago I would have defined myself as a “libertarian”. No more. Fifteen years ago I thought globalism was hunky dory. No more. I believe we need a robust and radical conservative movement to radically oppose and resist the left. Maybe the left is unstoppable, and if that’s the case I suspect people like myself will need to separate ourselves from mainstream society. I don’t want to live in a society that cuts off the penises of ten year old boys, chops of the budding breasts of fourteen year adolescent girls, allows adult male perverts with dicks who put on a wig, smear a bit of lipstick on and put a frock to have the right invade women’s private spaces such as change rooms and toilets, and will soon start promoting minor attraction adults as “misunderstood”….and as for my last point, those who think I’m being hyperbolic simply refuse to understand the intent of queer ideology, one of its core tenets is the sexualisation of children and sexual access to children.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 27, 2022 9:00 pm

I found the death of the teen in WA very disturbing but was revulsed at Thorpe pushing it.
14 years old, he was a big lad for his age.
Reading between the lines, someone has dobbed him in for trashing some guy’s car.
The guy took someone else with him to identify the culprit and stuff happened.
Here’s the general background:
Up until a few years ago, males too young to be imprisoned would be sent to Institutions that employed poofters and sadists.
The usual stuff happened.
Because of that, the decision was made to go to a mediation type of outcome.
Say some underage kid trashed a building site over the weekend, did $25,000 worth of damage, rather than go to Court and get a Custodial sentence, the kid would meet face to face with the victim and hear what his actions had cost the guy, etc.
That’s as far as it goes, no Conviction is recorded, and if the victim declines to be part of it, that’s his problem.

So, let’s say you’ve got a Show Car, some kid with time on his hands does $40,000 damage to the car, you’ve got 2 choices:
Cop it up the arse, cohenite style, or go to Mediation and have the kid gloat at you.
Sancho’s virtue signaling about a broken wing mirror is about as likely as CornHolio’s swooning over Vigilantes.

JC
JC
October 27, 2022 9:00 pm

Here’s Hayek in the Constitution of Liberty, why he’s not a conservative.

He’s damned fucking right about conservatives. They believe in nothing.

Let me now state what seems to me the decisive objection to any conservatism which deserves to be called such. It is that by its very nature it cannot offer an alternative to the direction in which we are moving. It may succeed by its resistance to current tendencies in slowing down undesirable developments, but, since it does not indicate another direction, it cannot prevent their continuance. It has, for this reason, invariably been the fate of conservatism to be dragged along a path not of its own choosing. The tug of war between conservatives and progressives can only affect the speed, not the direction, of contemporary developments. But, though there is need for a “brake on the vehicle of progress,” I personally cannot be content with simply helping to apply the brake. What the liberal must ask, first of all, is not how fast or how far we should move, but where we should move. In fact, he differs much more from the collectivist radical of today than does the conservative. While the last generally holds merely a mild and moderate version of the prejudices of his time, the liberal today must more positively oppose some of the basic conceptions which most conservatives share with the socialists.

https://press.uchicago.edu/books/excerpt/2011/hayek_constitution.html

JC
JC
October 27, 2022 9:01 pm

JC, how would you define Thatcher?

Epitome of a classic liberal. Through and through.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 27, 2022 9:02 pm

With reference to Cassie’s Nick Cater comments.
Nick Cater is the world’s worst used car salesman.
He thinks after selling you a decade worth of shit boxes that you’ll keep coming back for more.
Nick, there are other car yards.
Might not be great but at least they haven’t laughed in my face about selling me the previous lemon.

Roger
Roger
October 27, 2022 9:08 pm

Oh yes it is Roger.

No.

I’d explain what conservatism is, but I’m having a late dinner tonight, after which I’ll retire with a brandy & a good book.

Deo volente, I’ll make some recommendations that will assist with understanding conservatism tomorrow.

cohenite
October 27, 2022 9:08 pm

Cop it up the arse, cohenite style

I suppose next you’ll be denying you were there.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 27, 2022 9:10 pm

Mr Ed

Is Keating a flamer?
Who cares?
William F Buckley Jr was definitely a closeted Flamer.
Here’s a 1:42 clip of Buckley debating uncloseted Flamer Gore Vidal on YouTube.

JC
JC
October 27, 2022 9:10 pm

I now regard myself as a conservative. Ten years ago I would have defined myself as a “libertarian”. No more.

I bet you’ve changed some of your beliefs at the edges even with what’s happened or happening around the world.

I bet you wouldn’t have much of an issue in having free movement of people along with goods and services between the western countries. This would have changed with the advent of Xi.

Fifteen years ago I thought globalism was hunky dory. No more. I believe we need a robust and radical conservative movement to radically oppose and resist the left.

That’s exactly my point about conservatives. Radically opposing and resisting isn’t enough without offering an alternative vision, which if not libertarianism would be classic liberalism.

Maybe the left is unstoppable, and if that’s the case I suspect people like myself will need to separate ourselves from mainstream society.

No, the left is very very stoppable. It’s reached peak absurdity

I don’t want to live in a society that cuts off the penises of ten year old boys, chops of the budding breasts of fourteen year adolescent girls, allows adult male perverts with dicks who put on a wig, smear a bit of lipstick on and put a frock to have the right invade women’s private spaces such as change rooms and toilets, and will soon start promoting minor attraction adults as “misunderstood”….and as for my last point, those who think I’m being hyperbolic simply refuse to understand the intent of queer ideology, one of its core tenets is the sexualisation of children and sexual access to children.

I agree.

Zipster
Zipster
October 27, 2022 9:12 pm

What happened to Hu & Xi? CCP worst top team shows up after 20th Congress/The reform come to an end
The first meeting after the 20th National Congress of the Chinese Communist Party CCP ended on October 23rd, granting the CCP leader Xi Jinping a third term as the top leader, and the seven most powerful members of the CCP, the new generation of Politburo Standing Committee members were presented. We see that this is the team that’s the least competent in governing the country.
A signal had been dropped the day before. On Oct. 22nd, at the closing of the 20th Communist Party Congress, the world was surprised to see an unprecedented scene. Former Communist Party leader Hu Jintao was “persuaded” to leave the podium in advance.
How and why?

bespoke
bespoke
October 27, 2022 9:14 pm

What the liberal must ask, first of all, is not how fast or how far we should move, but where we should move.

Indeed! Slogans are OK but the nerds need to work on details instead trying to impress other nerds.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 27, 2022 9:17 pm

With reference to Cassie’s Nick Cater comments.
Nick Cater is the world’s worst used car salesman.

Unfair Bern. I have met Mr Cater and what I detect is he tries heroically to keep inside the cultural envelope. Which he does tactically. The problem is the cultural envelope has moved so far off into leftist fruitloopery that attempting to stay in it is now futile.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
October 27, 2022 9:19 pm

Ed

Don’t care. Seen enough turds across the top end of this country to work out that a fat pasty kid like this is likely collateral damage.

Willing to concede we don’t know full facts. The fact that a POS Thorpe who is flailing to keep her place at the trough further confuses the issue doesn’t help.

Wow that would have to be the most intemperate I have been for a while. Sorry this annoyed me immensely as soon as I saw it.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 27, 2022 9:20 pm

After the AFP is done with going through the jurors search history, then they can meta data them to see if the idea originated from elsewhere else.

cohenite
October 27, 2022 9:21 pm

Conservatism, libertarianism, doesn’t matter; the point is a few key issues: anti-wokism, anti-AGW, anti-BLM, etc. The focal point is an attitude to Trump; that’s the defining test.

Now to the real issue of the evening: does ed wear rubber or knitted crotchless panties. That’s another test.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 27, 2022 9:24 pm

Nick Cater reminds me a lot of Judith Curry.
Both try to sit on the fence and convince passersby.
Doesn’t work unfortunately. The pedestrians are cultists.
They have to be deprogrammed, not reasoned with.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 27, 2022 9:25 pm

Ed Casesays:
October 27, 2022 at 8:39 pm
Menzies, who was a classical Liberal, had men like Richard Casey, Bill Wentworth, Jim Killen, Paul Hasluck and John Gorton.
Classic trolling of the Liberal Party there.
Casey was a Flamer and suspected Jap spy in the 30s, Wentworth was a Flamer, Killen was a joke and Gorton wasn’t called Bungles for nothing.
Couldn’t you find any better examples?

Richard Cranium continues his work as a paid Labor Party shill.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 27, 2022 9:25 pm

You suspect the AFP will be even more careful to make sure they don’t find anything. In the event they are even asked.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 27, 2022 9:28 pm

Pretty clear the guy was a Not Guilty holdout trying to get academic backup for his theory that women make stuff up about being Rape victims.
So, there was never going to be a Verdict with this guy on the Jury anyway and Judge set a date for a new Trial.
Whoever advised Higgins to give that speech isn’t doing her any favours, but she hasn’t worked out yet that she’s surrounded by vipers.

MatrixTransform
October 27, 2022 9:29 pm

rhetoric on the word ‘conservative’ to ultimately arrive nowhere, is not progressive either

it’s not even an argument so much as it is fallacious gibber.

Razey
Razey
October 27, 2022 9:30 pm

Pretty clear the guy was a Not Guilty

Nahh, the guy was really like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stIvLRJcqCE

Cassie of Sydney
October 27, 2022 9:30 pm

“Wentworth was a Flamer”

I knew Bill Wentworth. He was no flamer.

JC
JC
October 27, 2022 9:31 pm

Still, I’m not sure the latter are in any better position in their ‘ideological moorings’.

You betcha and it would be clearly visible on the economic side.

Is there a classical liberal position on transgenderism, for instance, that you can read off its general principles?

Probably just leave the fuckers alone. Certainly don’t promote it, but leave them alone.

OK to amend birth certificates?

Of course not. Really though, how many idiots want to change their certificate? I could imagine someone like our Mr Ed wanting to as he’s a shocking flamer. But it’s not a humongous number. Allow people to change their certificates but with and explanation saying it has been changed.

Must we use preferred personal pronouns in the workplace?

Being forced to? The classic liberal line would be that if the firm is a flamer and demands it then so be it, but also why would you want to work for such a firm? Would you work at Twitter in the present set up? I wouldn’t.

What about publicly funded sex changes? What about the treatment of minors?

No and no.

Cassie of Sydney
October 27, 2022 9:33 pm

“Unfair Bern. I have met Mr Cater and what I detect is he tries heroically to keep inside the cultural envelope. Which he does tactically. The problem is the cultural envelope has moved so far off into lefist fruitloopery that attempting to stay in it is now futile.”

Nope. I had a conversation with Nick Cater as recently as Monday night. Bern is right.

JC
JC
October 27, 2022 9:33 pm

The focal point is an attitude to Trump; that’s the defining test.

Trump ended up being a classic liberal mostly.

Ed Case
Ed Case
October 27, 2022 9:34 pm

That’s not what Kate Wentworth said in Evidence.
Was she lying too?

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
October 27, 2022 9:35 pm

I’m not a classical liberal because they gave women the vote, and look where that’s got us.

I’m not a conservative, because I quite like variety and diversity of viewpoints. And I don’t think our ancestors got everything right. In fact, they screwed up lots of things.

And I’m not a lefty because they’re barking mad, and I’m quite excessively sane. We all have our crosses to bear, and that’s mine.

I’m not a member of any existing gang. I don’t fit in anywhere. And I much prefer it that way.

rickw
rickw
October 27, 2022 9:36 pm

Australia’s horror lockdown and border closures are now a distant memory but foreigners have not forgotten, with an 86 per cent drop in working tourists.

Neither have Australian’s. The stupid motherfuckers in charge of this shit show will one day pay for it dearly.

cohenite
October 27, 2022 9:38 pm

That’s not what Kate Wentworth said in Evidence.
Was she lying too?

She was wearing crotchless panties. That should tell you something ed; it’s still not too late.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
October 27, 2022 9:39 pm

Sooo, how about that Federal budget huh?
Apparently the main problem with the Budget is that it didn’t.
Deficit of 32 bill last year, and a planned deficit of 37 bill this year.
Heh, howabout that.
National debt planned to increase from 515B to 572B.
Venezstraya, etc.

> Since PEFO, total individuals and other withholding tax receipts have been revised up by
$16.2 billion in 2022–23
Revenue up but no mention if this was achieved by grassroots growth or a rates increase.

Back in July the luvvies at The Con had such high hopes for Chalmer’s first “wellbeing budget”. Frydenburg said wellbeing was “doublespeak for higher taxes and more debt”. Well he was at least half right.
The wellbeing is in the PBS price reductions, more paid parental leave, more dog boxes for Housos, and greasing the rails to permanent residency for skilled migrants.

The skills and training subsidies and the investment in rebuilding key manufacturing sectors domestically are likely to be the most decisive for increasing the national wellbeing longer term, and I can’t think of anything bad about that. We don’t make things any more. We should. We don’t repair things any more. We should.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 27, 2022 9:42 pm

Rockdoctorsays:

October 27, 2022 at 8:32 pm

Sancho

I found the death of the teen in WA very disturbing but was revulsed at Thorpe pushing it. 

Quite so.
You can be appalled by the murder and also find Thorpe’s impression of Al Sharpton revolting too.

Razey
Razey
October 27, 2022 9:45 pm

Can’t anyone in this town take the law into their own hands?!?
– H. J. Simpson

rickw
rickw
October 27, 2022 9:45 pm

During a walkabout at an Edinburgh electronics factory, Prince Philip remarked that a fusebox bursting with wires looked “as if it was put in by an Indian”. His remark prompted immediate condemnation.

Condemnation for being factual. Could have also been put together by one of my Chinese buddies. Individual workmanship is shit.

Instruments running, DCS waiting for signals. Field cabling and work inside junction boxes atrocious.

Fixing leaking solenoid valves on sampling connections today. Difficult job. Some prick had given them a dusting of thread tape and screwed them in finger tight.

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 27, 2022 9:54 pm

Bloke I know is pondering whether there is a military history book in “the frontier wars”.

I have suggested the uniforms and weapons pages will be a bit one-sided.

JC
JC
October 27, 2022 9:56 pm

Does anyone know if the jurors in the No-Panties case had access to personal computers, Ipads and phones?

If they did, then why is academic paper of such importance?

Winston Smith
October 27, 2022 10:00 pm

Razey:

ASIC Will Finally Face The Music…

I’ve just watched 9.5 minutes of the presentation. I still have no idea what the inquiry is about, nor the significance of the fact there are two of them.
That’s why I rarely bother watching this pair any more. Waffle waffle waffle.
FFS why not spend ten seconds telling us what the inquiry is about?

2dogs
2dogs
October 27, 2022 10:06 pm

Does anyone know if the jurors in the No-Panties case had access to personal computers, Ipads and phones?

They could easily have accessed such things after they were sent home each day.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 27, 2022 10:06 pm

RD at 8.32:

Excellent analysis. As you say, this will not end well.

I am amazed there hasn’t been a spate of vigilante cripplings or killing of these people. From what I understand the Ville is even worse than D-town in this day and age, and that’s saying something.

Ed’s never walked on dirt, so (again) he’s clueless.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 27, 2022 10:10 pm

If Britnah had told security immediately on the Saturday morning that she thought she had been ravished sans consent, the amount of guesswork required would have been reduced considerably.

Here’s the thing.

If IF IF someone was raped, and then that person puts the ‘how will this affect my career?’ hat on first before even thinking about doing their level best to put the person responsible in the bin, then the rapee is always going to come off second best.

Even more so if the next hat is the ‘perhaps I can make a shit tin of money out of this’ one.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 27, 2022 10:11 pm

Blockquotes.

Goodness me.

Winston Smith
October 27, 2022 10:17 pm

ZK2A:

Check out the complainer – she looks as “indigenous” as Uncle Bruce.

Perhaps this girl is one of the ones that he was referring to?

2dogs
2dogs
October 27, 2022 10:21 pm

I still have no idea what the inquiry is about

There is some hope by those aggrieved by ASIC inaction.

Typically, what happens when a dodgy business stops paying its bills is that a liquidator will wind up the company, but will also produce a report outlining the various offences that the dodgy business operators committed in defrauding their customers/suppliers/etc.

This report will be forwarded to ASIC, who will typically do absolutely nothing in relation to it. Nada. Zip. Zilch.

ASIC prosecutors have a history of only pursuing cases which are politically sexy.

I doubt there will be any real change.

Zipster
Zipster
October 27, 2022 10:25 pm
Zipster
Zipster
October 27, 2022 10:28 pm

There is some hope by those aggrieved by ASIC inaction.

I’ve complained repeatedly about what are illegal ads on youtube by australia standards and nothing

MatrixTransform
October 27, 2022 10:56 pm

gawd I’m missing the jokes already

where’s all the double ententres and spoonerisms?

c’mon tell us a car story Little Dog

JC, quote Hayek again

Zipster
Zipster
October 27, 2022 11:04 pm

Is there a classical liberal position on transgenderism, for instance, that you can read off its general principles?

Probably just leave the fuckers alone. Certainly don’t promote it, but leave them alone.

the problem here is that the left weaponise these people and in fact will weaponise every mental illness and perversion against conservatives. the dialectic idea that thesis and antithesis leads to a higher truth is garbage. What the left have done is just straight divide and conquer.

Must we use preferred personal pronouns in the workplace?

Being forced to? The classic liberal line would be that if the firm is a flamer and demands it then so be it, but also why would you want to work for such a firm? Would you work at Twitter in the present set up? I wouldn’t.

This is where my libertarian leanings have been given a rude awakening. many corporates dont give a shit about customers by virtue of being near monopolies. many corporates are subject to government interference and pressure to tow ideological lines and to do so publicly.

This entire “vaccine” episode shows that when fuck-you class money is within reach certain corporates are just outright evil and a danger to society. The belief that our civilisation is less corrupt than the 3rd world has been another rude awakening.

The conservative view of being neutral with corporates when the left just openly bribe and/or force them to tow the ideological line is a dismal failure.

Another failure of conservatives is the roll back of the administrative state, which has its nose literally into every aspect of our lives using our money and act like lord and master not public servants.

The job of conservatives is to undo the crap the left inflict on us and drive things to the right, something they have failed miserably at. They get power and they are too scared to roll back the madness let alone move things to the right. Society just slowly ratchets towards the left with each wave of “progressives” to the point we are at now: a new dark age is upon us.

Indolent
Indolent
October 27, 2022 11:11 pm
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