2,928 thoughts on “Open Thread – Tue 13 Dec 2022”

  1. that ‘Letzte Generation’ group has been quite active lately.

    Rugbyskier – I think it likely they coordinate amongst themselves, since a couple hundred Froggy eco-extremists trashed a cement plant this week for emitting too much CO2. Plus there’re the mysterious electrical substation attacks in the US.

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  2. Violent action is called “propaganda of the deed”

    IIRC, leftards were big into “propaganda of the deed” back in the 1960s to 1980s. Now, however, the leftards have become “the Man”. What goes around …. ?

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  3. Of course it’s ironic that their activities in Munich have been curtailed by the extreme cold weather.

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  4. The events of Monday have happened before, and will happen again.

    Meanwhile, the authorities are shaping up to use it as a pretext to extend the powers of the security state and curtail civil liberties, apparently oblivious to how this reinforces the narrative the Trains and their ilk live by. Rinse and repeat.

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  5. Harry is giving the appearance of having, as Sophie Ellesworth, media writer for The Australain put it, mental issues over his familial relationships past and present, which are being enhanced to the point of danger for him by his wife, who brings her own issues regarding her parents to her marriage.

    I think what’s been overlooked in all this, and what raised a red flag for me very early on, is that Meghan didn’t seem to know a thing about the history of the institution she was joining and appeared to have no interest in learning about it but seemed to think she could change it to her own specifications. You could see the disaster approaching from a mile away. What you couldn’t see and predict was that Harry would be such a total idiot. You could almost think that he went out of his way to find someone with the same issues (real or imagined) as his mother had faced. As for Meghan, if she couldn’t make it in Hollywood being a princess was next best thing. All she wants is the attention and the lifestyle.

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  6. Also Ted, how do you feel about the courteousness extended to Fatboy and Eddles?While we’re measuring courteousness should those two not be included in the discussion ?

    See my point, it becomes a question of value judgement.

    My lack of courteousness can’t extend to those I don’t feel the need to be.

    As I said it’s an opinion.

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  7. A significant portion of U.S. adults and nearly half of the county’s Christians say the world, as we know it, is headed for destruction, according to a Pew Research survey.

    They can relax; it’s only the end of the republic.

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  8. Government must be seen to do something. You just cannot say we have sufficient existing laws, cannot adequately enforce the existing laws already on the books and the laws can neither prevent the Qld events or future events in any case. Kochie would not be happy.

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  9. You could almost think that he went out of his way to find someone with the same issues (real or imagined) as his mother had faced.

    I think the marriage counsellors/psychologists/therapists would tell you this is more common than we imagine and that people are often trying to resolve issues in their past life by their marriage.

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  10. H B Bear says:
    December 16, 2022 at 10:59 am

    The Ginge’n’Minge show is pure car crash entertainment. MAFS paid for by Netflix. How could you not watch it?

    Easy, I never watch reality TV.

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  11. We spent a week recently in New York, and it was pretty harmless. Did see some idiots and very suss characters on the Metro. Some of the stations you wouldn’t want to be there by yourself late at night, but that’s no different to most big cities.

    Did have a weirdo enter the carriage on a Metro ride, around 10am, with the car about 1/4 full. He looked the full monty: wild hair, swaying, various badges, filthy etc. He came and sat down on the floor in the middle of the carriage, right in front of us, and shouted “I’m singing until I get five dollars” and commenced screaming.

    Everyone ignored him, including us, and after threatening “I can do this all day” he gave it another 30 seconds and then jumped up and went off to the next car.

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  12. Roger

    I’d considere it possibly the beginning, no civilisation last forever but every generation has its doomsayers when threre influences fade.

  13. Hello sailor!

    NSW Health warns against Costco spinach (16 Dec)

    Nine people have been hospitalised after consuming ‘Riviera Farms’ branded baby spinach from Costco. Their symptoms included delirium, fever, hallucinations, rapid heartbeat, and flushed face.

    Also very large forearms and a craving for olive oil.

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  14. once upon a time, why royals only married royals, most knew the fundamentals of how to behave

    Good work by Piers Morgan last night putting paid to Sparkles’ lie that she wasn’t taught how to behave as a Princess. She had 6 months of training from Chiefs of Staff, and was provided with massive folders of information written by specialists in each field she’d be likely to encounter – royal duties, protocols, charity work, etc etc.
    And as Piers said “the elephant in the room”, she was marrying the Ginger Whinger who had decades of Royal experiences to share with her.
    But noooooooo. She makes more money as a victim, rather than one of the most privileged people on the planet.
    Yep, trailer trash indeed. Rich trash certainly, but trash nevertheless.

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  15. It’s almost as though, right from the start, they had a certain narrative they wanted to shape — and that documenting everything fed into their narcissistic little plan.

    Because that’s how Harry and Meghan appear to many of us: the ultimate narcissists in an age of narcissism.

    Daily Mail

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  16. Rule 101 dealing homeless over there. Do not make eye contact and do not engage in any way. Walk right past like they don’t exist.

    Same applies to every major city in Europe.
    And should they physically accost you regardless, start yelling no.

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  17. Tv spoof The Windsors portrayed Harry as thick and easily influenced by anyone who was smart enough to use him for their own purposes.
    It started in 2016 so the take on Harry predated Meghan. The writers and producers knew something.

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  18. Roger

    I’d considere it possibly the beginning, no civilisation last forever but every generation has its doomsayers when threre influences fade.

    Right.

    And that’s true, but I think the Democrats (abetted by RINOs) are doing their darned’st to effectively dismantle what’s left of the American republican ideal and ethos under the cover of a security scare and social justice.

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  19. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:
    December 16, 2022 at 10:52 am
    the Californian woman is quite photogenic.
    Indeed she is, and she also has internalised the hurt she has told herself she feels; you can see it in the hurt showing in her face.

    She was an actress before this debacle, and is acting now.

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  20. You have to admire anyone lecturing you on poverty sitting on a $10,000 Hermes blanket. You have to be born into that.

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  21. Same applies to every major city in Europe.
    And should they physically accost you regardless, start yelling no.

    Funny that. I spent a few months of this year in one of the Stans (former USSR) and never ones seen anything like that. There are beggars there, but they are very calm, even polite.
    Why is this being tolerated in the civilised (formerly?) parts of the world I have no clue.

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  22. No one gives a shit anymore when there’s hardly any masks being worn in Singapore.

    No mask mandate on SQ.

    Slowly walking back from idiocracy.

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  23. No one gives a shit anymore when there’s hardly any masks being worn in Singapore.

    rickw, do you know if Singapore Airlines still requires the nazi pass for its flights?

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  24. She was an actress before this debacle, and is acting now.

    She also purposely follows Diana in the way she dresses and conducts herself. Some of the outfits she has worn and some she wears now are updated versions, but same cut and colour which keeps reminding everyone of the late Princess Diana.

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  25. Wonder what it’s like as a newcomer in the House of Windsor. Royal courts are notoriously cruel, full of mischief makers and plotters competing for the Royal eye. Kate would almost certainly view Meghan’s arrival the way a Messerschmidt over the cliffs of Dover would have been seen eighty years ago. It cannot have been pleasant for someone who’d fallen for her own press releases.

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  26. Police shooting: Gareth Train, wife Stacey posted video after shooting police

    By Michael McKenna
    Reporter
    @McKennaattheOz
    and Georgia Clelland
    Cadet journalist
    11:40AM December 16, 2022

    WARNING: DISTRESSING CONTENT

    The couple who ambushed and shot dead two young constables and a neighbour Monday posted an online message hours later boasting that they killed “these devils and demons”.

    Gareth Train and his wife Stacey are in hiding and surrounded by police on their remote property at Wieambilla, 290km northwest of Brisbane, when they filmed and uploaded the message to a YouTube account.

    “They came to kill us and we killed them. If you don’t defend yourself against these devils and demons … you’re a coward,” Gareth said.

    “We’ll see you when we get home. We’ll see you at home, Don, love you,” his wife, veteran teacher, Stacey then adds.

    The video was uploaded at 7.39pm, three hours after they ambushed four police who visited the property on a NSW-instigated missing person’s inquiry about Gareth Train’s brother, Nathaniel.

    The trio were later shot dead around 10.30pm by police who stormed the property in armoured vehicles under the cover of darkness.

    A video message recorded by two people claiming to be Gareth and Stacey Train has been shared online.

    The account has since been deleted but the message, along with earlier posted other video’s remain on the internet

    The images appear to be Gareth and Stacey Train who identify themselves as Daniel and Jane – which are their middle names – with the account titled “Mrs Yugi Girawil”

    Queensland Police are investigating the possibility that the three shooters, who killed two young constables and a neighbour this week, were the source of information that lured the team of police to an ambush on their remote Queensland property.

    Another 8-minute long video titled ‘Prepare for Battle and Be Strangers on the Earth’, which features Stacey Train reading aloud the apocalyptical Christian verse 2 Esdras 16:18-78, was also uploaded to the Youtube channel at 1.41pm on Monday.

    “For many of those who live on the earth shall perish by famine, and those who survived the famine shall die by the sword, and the dead shall be cast out like dung” she said.

    “And there shall be no one to console them, for the earth shall be left desolate and its cities shall be demolished”.

    Gareth Train, his wife Stacey and brother Nathaniel were already armed and in camouflage gear when the team of four police officers arrived at the bush property at Wieambilla, 290km northwest of Brisbane, around 4.30pm on Monday.

    The police were met with gunfire as they walked up the driveway on a NSW-instigated missing person’s inquiry over Nathaniel Train, 46, a primary school principal who vanished in December, last year after reportedly suffering a heart attack months earlier.

    Despite going missing he remained in contact with family until October 9, this year.

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  27. Kneelsays:
    December 16, 2022 at 10:49 am
    “…bought Bosch and it’s stood up to a tremendous amount of wear and tear from a young family.”

    My LG front-loader washing machine finally died after approximately 20 years, the last 5 or so doing 3+ (sometimes as many as 10!) loads per week.
    Needless to say, I got another LG to replace it…

    Same here – 2 LG’s over 25 years after 20 year Whirlpool Top Loader with destroy the clothes with vigorous action finally gave up the Ghost

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  28. Havent looked for it, Im sure its out there.
    But the Train-wrecks did a youtube video after the shootings.

    Queensland shooting: Gareth and Stacey Train published YouTube video after killing police officers

    After ambushing police officers with a hail of bullets, Stacey and Gareth Train huddled together in the dark at their remote Queensland property and recorded a video.

    “They came to kill us and we killed them,” Gareth said in the video, uploaded to a video-sharing platform on Monday night and still circulating online.

    “If you don’t defend yourself against these devils and demons, you’re a coward.”

    Stacey added: “We’ll see you when we get home. Love you.”

  29. Flew MEL-BKK. Masks not required onboard and no nazi pass. However at Bangkok masks required but not really enforced for foreignes. Elsewhere in Bangkok & Chonburi (where we are) in public closed spaces required but again not enforced for foreigners. They desperately want tourist cash but so far I have seen only a fraction of what is normal, even among Indians & Chinese that were overwhelming last time I was here.

    How did you go with flights Rickw? I avoided transiting Changi due to Sg’s strict mandates and can say that direct flights by Thai airways are not at full capacity yet. No Brisbane schedule yet.

    That said Market Day, other half is going with a couple of Thai partners of friends. Great day to sit in an expat bar.

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  30. Full blown lunacy..

    In another video posted on 10 December, two days before the shooting, a distorted voice reads out details of a missing persons report about fellow gunman Nathaniel Train, while the song ‘Bad Boys’, from the TV series ‘Cops’, blasts in the background.

    The person claims that Nathaniel was a “whistleblower” for “high-level corruption” in the NSW Department of Education and NSW Police.

    “You attempt to abduct us using contractors. You attempt to intimidate and target us with your Raytheon Learjets and planes. You send covert assets out here to my place in the bush,” the video’s description reads.

    “What is your play here? To have me and my wife murdered during a state police ‘welfare check’? You already tried that one … eat shit and die.”

    The videos also contain several menacing threats towards police officers in the comments, warning, “monsters and their heads are soon parted”.
    Other comments discuss recent “welfare checks” at their property, saying “these fools are stepping into a world of hurt they know nothing of.”

    “After dealing with covert agents and tactics for some time now, Daniel believes that should they choose to cross the rubicon with public state actors our Father is giving up a clear sign,” they say.

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  31. Everyone ignored him, including us, and after threatening “I can do this all day” he gave it another 30 seconds and then jumped up and went off to the next car.

    That must have been weird, seeing St. Ruth on a train.

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  32. “For BJ:

    Scrollin’, scrollin’, scrollin’”

    Te he – every time I hear the words or music, it reminds me of “McRawhide” by “The Chaps” – yes, a scottish version of “Rawhide”.

    Including such lines as (in a scottish accent)

    “All the stuff I’m missin’,
    The haggis, beer an’ fishin’

    It’s enough to give ya a
    Rawhide

    Ride ’em in, Cut ’em out,
    Cut ’em out, Ride ’em in – who wrote this?
    Rawhide
    Ride ’em in, cut ’em out
    Hey! Comanche – so wrote this rubbish eh?
    Well see you – does your mother sow?
    Then get her to sow an apache on that then eh?”

    Normal service will now resume just as soon as we can figure out what normal is.

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  33. “You attempt to abduct us using contractors. You attempt to intimidate and target us with your Raytheon Learjets and planes. You send covert assets out here to my place in the bush,” the video’s description reads.

    No, no, no. They weren’t Radio Rental at all. They’re heroes for Standing and Fighting.

    And, because it was certainly ‘necessary’, they Fell.

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  34. Why [are beggars] being tolerated in the civilised (formerly?) parts of the world I have no clue.

    1. It suits the Left.
    2. All beggars are there because of raciiiiism, or white patriarchy being selfish, or business taking all the dosh.
    3. Therefore when they assault and rob people it is OK.
    4. The solution is public housing and free handouts for everyone from the government.

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  35. Jorge 12.29[m
    “It cannot have been pleasant for some who’d fallen for her own press releases”

    It would’ve been a huge shock to her system – she was an expert in the field of Gush and Bubble.
    But it wasn’t working on the in-laws.
    I can imagine them drawing-in their skirts, when she zoomed in.
    Makes me laugh

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  36. Luigi the inconceivables team are now performing feats of governance that would have made Whitlam blush.

    Bowen brushes off ‘Soviet-style intervention’ comment as ‘laughable’
    Bowen is now taking questions and is asked what he thought about the comments that came this morning from Santos boss Kevin Gallagher calling the plan a “Soviet-style” policy in an interview with the Australian newspaper.

    Bowen says he’s not fazed, calling Gallagher’s comments “laughable.”

    That sort of shrill response is just laughable. Governments around the world – whether they are rightwing governments, leftwing governments – governments around the developed world are acting and responding.

    I understand chief executives’ desire to maximise their profits. That is their job. We have a different job. Our job is to act in the national interest. Not in Santos or any other company’s interest, in the national interest, to protect Australian industries, to protect Australians.

    Mr Gallagher has a different job. It’s his job is to maximise his profits, it is our job to maximise national interest.

    That sort of shrill commentary is water off a duck’s back. We will get on with the job.


    Dreyfus is a dangerous lawyer, one in the Erdogan mould, where the law is used to arrive at a destination then you get off.
    Dreyfus:

    The AAT’s dysfunction has had a very real cost to the tens and thousands of people who rely on the AAT chair to independently review government decisions that have made major and sometimes life changing impacts on their lives.

    Decisions such as whether an old Australian receives an aged pension, whether a veteran is compensated for a service injury or whether a participant in the NDIS received funding for support.

    The Albanese government is committed to delivering a new, accessible, sustainable and trusted administrative review tribunal that serves the interests of the jealous people. A central pillar will be a new transparent merit-based appointments process, a new body will be properly funded, we will reduce the ongoing delays, currently experienced by those seeking review of government decisions.

    Coincidentally that is also a gift for the country shoppers, as its the body that hears many appeals.

    Luigi the inconceivable chimes in

    Albanese rejects Soviet comparison over energy changes

    A journalist tells Albanese that Santos has labelled the energy changes as “Soviet-style intervention”.

    What is your response to that? If gas companies start pulling investment from Australia, would that force you to reconsider your energy price control measures?

    Albanese says the production costs in Australia haven’t changed.

    Those businesses were profitable, will continue to be profitable and they will also gain the windfall gains that are on the international market. So I say to business don’t talk yourself down. And I do think that there is some irony in the fact that you have references given to Russia when it is the Russian invasion of Ukraine that has had devastating impact on the people of Ukraine but has also led to record profits and returns for these businesses, a long way from Ukraine and Russia, but they have benefited from the global spike in prices.

    What our action does is say that yes, manufacturing here in Australia, and households, should be shielded from those windfall gains. And if those companies had a look at what is happening internationally, by the UK Conservative government that has put a windfall tax on those companies, we have chosen to not go down that road. We have chosen a modest intervention to make sure that Australian manufacturers are not driven out of business as a direct result of these high global prices being imposed in Australia, even though these are Australian resources with no increase whatsoever in Australian production costs.

    Dreyfus….

    75 maaaaates given a golden trough to sup from.
    Dreyfus says the reform will see dollars committed to address the current backlog of cases:

    The new body will have a modern, reliable and fit for purpose case management system that delivers administrative efficiencies for all users.

    As part of this reform, the Government is committing $63.4 million over two years for an additional 75 members to address the current backlog of cases and reduce wait times while the new body is being set up.

    And $11.7 million over two years for a single streamline case management system.

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  37. rickw, do you know if Singapore Airlines still requires the nazi pass for its flights?

    Last flight, a couple of months ago, they asked for it. What I would say though is that they were very disinterested. I could have shown them any old crap and they would have given me an OK. I don’t think it was airline policy driving it either, Singapore rules. If I had of refused to show on the basis that Maldives doesn’t require vaccination, I think they would have let me board.

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  38. I seem (?) to recall some docco on last year about the Koresh Waco shooting and how some copper knocked on their door (they weren’t doing anything wrong) and demanded to know what sort of guns they had. When Koresh told the copper to bugger off with no explanation they brought the whole brigade back with SUVs, tanks, lights, loud music to try wear them down…

    It was an “angle” I’d never considered before and was surprised that an SBS docco was showing **some** sympathy to Koresh… (I’m not saying the man wasn’t a nutter but there was a lot more to the story than was ever reported in the 90’s).

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  39. How did you go with flights Rickw? I avoided transiting Changi due to Sg’s strict mandates and can say that direct flights by Thai airways are not at full capacity yet. No Brisbane schedule yet.

    I went SQ because it was cheapest, and I had a Nazi pass.

    Happily Changi looked totally normal, if you time travelled in from three years ago you wouldn’t notice any difference.

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  40. I think they would have let me board.

    Maybe not. Philippine Airlines, which is still in the grip of COVID madness wouldn’t let me board an October flight without proof. Fortunately I had a photoshopped stiffcate on my phone, which satisfied them. Later found my Novovax card which I had to produce at least ten times while marooned in Manila by cancelled flights.

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  41. Monty has had an excellent experience transitioning to a fat lesbian and made a huge difference to his life. He’s a lot happier and no longer stressed out.

    To good to leave on the last page.

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  42. The Albanese government is committed to delivering a new, accessible, sustainable and trusted administrative review tribunal that serves the interests of the jealous people.

    Freudian slip?

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  43. After almost 60 years, the US government still refuses to divulge who killed President John F. Kennedy and why because government officials see themselves as above those who pay their wages and unaccountable to voters in the American democracy.

    PS: The “lone” man who killed President Kennedy, Lee Harvey Oswald, was working for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).
    The phrase “conspiracy theory” entered the English language the year after the Kennedy assassination.

    Tucker Carlson Tonight.

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  44. I’ve been grabbed by the hand/arm a couple of times by gypsies, once in Granada, once in Malaga.

    Now I give them a wide berth.

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  45. Anyone who is travelling to Thailand an fyi. Arrivals card not required either anymore. COVID entry requirements for Thailand dropped in October but from conversations with residents the tourist uptake has been fairly muted. Guess that’s why I was given a special day visa on arrival instead of the normal 30 day.

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  46. Check out the pics. I think she could barely fit down the aisle.

    I guess they couldn’t fit her favourite chair (scroll down for a pic) in a cabin.

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  47. Egyptian archaeologists have uncovered full-color portraits of mummies – the first to be found in over a century – the Egyptian government has announced.

    Researchers found the two full portraits of Egyptian mummies and fragments of others at the Gerza excavation site in Fayoum, Egypt, making these artworks the first of their kind to be discovered in over 115 years.

    The team investigating the Gerza archaeological site in Fayoum also uncovered a funerary building, records written on papyrus, pottery, and coffins dating from the Ptolemaic period, which spans from 305 B.C. to 30 B.C., through the Roman era, which lasted from 30 B.C. to 390 A.D.

    In addition to these finds, archaeologists also revealed a rare terracotta statue of the goddess Isis Aphrodite inside a wooden coffin, per Artnet.

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  48. Is it fair to say that when Ukraine hasn’t been mentioned on 6pm news on any single channel for a while that things prolly aren’t going their way?

    I note every victory the Ukes have had gets pretty high coverage on the old 6pm news but when things are going shite, you don’t hear anything…

    And no, I’m not starting an argument on who is right/wrong (I’m still using an Abbott-ism that it is “baddies v baddies”).

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  49. Two videos posted the week before also menacingly insult four named police officers and speak of previous welfare checks about the property.

    seems there has been a severe failure at the police if there have been previous “safety checks” that were told to buzz off. If that is true, on what grounds did they return?

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  50. rickw says:
    December 16, 2022 at 12:17 pm
    No one gives a shit anymore when there’s hardly any masks being worn in Singapore.

    I dunno Rick, there’s two things going on with mask wearing I think.

    Avoiding passing it on, or avoiding getting it.

    I had a nasty bout of the flu and cold this week -two together according to the Doc . I’ve masked up going to stores trying to avoid passing it onto other folks. I’m not sure they work but I think it’s worth a try.

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  51. I’ve masked up going to stores trying to avoid passing it onto other folks. I’m not sure they work but I think it’s worth a try.

    I reckon if you’re crook, it’s worth a shot. Also fits with the approach of focusing on the sick and leaving every else the hell alone!

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  52. FFS. Autocorrect deleted the “45” day visa. All Western countries included apparently.

    Have a nice day all. Will check in later. Off for a full English breakfast.

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  53. Two videos posted the week before also menacingly insult four named police officers and speak of previous welfare checks about the property.

    Let’s keep poking these loonies until they do something really fucking crazy…..

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  54. FFS. Autocorrect deleted the “45” day visa. All Western countries included apparently.

    I did wonder!

    Full English! Awesome! I’m spending the next week only eating Bacon and Steak to make up for lost time!

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  55. Hey Choo Choo.
    Remember that during the train versus trucks sage we had a little chat about fuel usage per tonne transported?

    Curiously enough, no.

    I am pretty sure that all you did was question my masculinity non stop and call me a unionist when I disagreed with your clumsy generalisations and spectacular ignorance of everything beyond your limited sphere of experience.

    But, since we want to play that game…

    A representative diesel-electric locomotive in current Australian freight service (We’ll use the NR class) has a fuel capacity of 10,000 litres.

    2 of these will pull a train of about 80 wagons (with an axle load of about 19 tonnes) and a gross load of ~4,000 tonnes from Adelaide to Perth with a single refuelling stop at Cook. This journey is otherwise non-stop, for a total distance of 2655km

    Other companies take their own fuel sources with them across (~20,000 litres) and pull about 5-6,000 tonnes (once we get into double-stacking and bulkier and heavier goods like steel, etc.) non-stop.

    They pull up only every 12 hours to change crews (15-20 minutes), and take an average of 2.5 days to complete their journey.

    40,000L (2 locos getting completely refilled once)/4000t x 2655km gives us a rough figure of 0.0037664783 Litres per tonne-km. Or 4mL diesel.

    A representative truck (let’s do something nice and as modern and capable as it gets on-road, like a current-spec Western Star 79X 72″ Sleeper) has a fuel capacity of 200L, and we’ll give it every possible favour by saying the Struth-surrogate in this argument is permitted and able to haul a Category 3 Triple Road Train (we’ll let him have those 3 trailers with triple axle bogies to allow a 20 tonne axle load, for a total load of ~365 tonnes) between the same 2 cities, a road distance of 2693.6km.

    Our Struth-surrogate will need to refill at least 3 times along the way (and we will be kind by saying he has modified his rig to carry 900L). And, unless he fudges his books and does not take his breaks (and boast later of his illegality when he feels it is safe amd manly to do so), he will need to take 2 lots at least 8 hours’ downtime to sleep in order to complete his 29 hour trip.

    So, 2,700L/365t x 2693.6km gives us 3mL per tonne kilometre.

    Now, while these raw fuel numbers make our Struth-surrogate look pretty good, they do not account for traffic, road/rail conditions, mechanical condition, wind resistance etc. Nor that an economist will look at 5mL per tonne-km for 4000 tonnes in regular day to day service far more favourably than 3mL per tonne-km made by giving the our experimental truck every conceivable mathematical advantage. The ABB and BAB trucks normally in intercapital service may only make broadly equivalent figures, and have an advantage only in providing a (mostly) door to door delivery service.

    TLDR: If Struth’s latest clutching at a dimly understood metric for the purpose of rhetorical superiority was actually borne out in real-world conditions, he’d be screaming endlessly at anyone who made the mistake of admitting on this blog that they worked in coastal shipping. Or Zeppelins. No freight forwarder of any kind would be using rail. At all.

    SUMMARY: Struth really should just stick to questioning my masculinity and wishing I’d die of a blood clot…

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  56. Also fits with the approach of focusing on the sick and leaving every else the hell alone!

    Or feeds into the unjustifiable fear.

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  57. …The ABB and BAB trucks normally in intercapital service may only make broadly equivalent figures, to the rail ones

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  58. Thanks for the Tucker link on JFK Tom.

    Every single person in the world, except those in comas or vegetative states, knows it was a conspiracy (i.e. more than one person involved). But I will admit to having once “dug too far” and ended up with George Herbert Bush and his Nazi jerky circle gang… that also linked George Dubya to the death of JFK Jnr near Martha’s Village… (which was also a very strange plane crash story with a lot of inconsistencies about it)…

    These days I’m more “mainstream” and just believe that the CIA/Military Industrial Complex were having their power existentially threatened and needed to do something about it…

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  59. Despite going missing he remained in contact with family

    How can you be missing and in contact with family at the same time?

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  60. This is struth calling from the dark side Lizzie.

    Keep calling. I will not engage any more with you.
    There is no light on the dark side. I don’t see in the dark.
    Enjoy your day.

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  61. We have three kooaburras just turned up, very hungry, one a fledgie.
    I have fed them because they saw the currawongs getting meat and they hung around till they got some.
    Now I am doubting the wisdom of that – they are creating a treat in the jacaranda and their sound is far less musical than the currawongs. Guess we just have to get used to double birdsong.

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  62. Raytheon Learjets > Trains > Trucks

    Only the early model ones. Where Bill Lear went for fighter jet-style performance.

    The Learjet Model 60 and 45 everything after them by Bombardier is just so much corporatised ‘meh.’

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  63. Other companies take their own fuel sources with them across (~20,000 litres)

    Company I’m working for makes them, seems like a good idea to avoid stopping and restarting 4,000t.

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  64. CIA involvement definitely. I also say Sam Giancana.

    I have seen an old USN and SS veteran say they foiled a similar plot in Chicago a mere three weeks earlier.

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  65. Only the early model ones. Where Bill Lear went for fighter jet-style performance.

    Base on the fundamentals of the Swiss P-16:

    The unusual fighter had not escaped the attention of Bill Lear in America. He was particularly impressed by the design’s unswept, thin, high aspect ratio wing designed both for high subsonic cruise speeds and low landing speeds. The wing was also of very simple and inexpensive construction, combining an innovative and efficient layout of very few ribs, multiple spars, and a thick skin. Lear then approached the chief designer of FFA, Dr. Hans Studer, and proposed developing a new corporate jet around the wing of the P-16. The new plane was given the designation SAAC-23 after Lear’s new company and the fact that this was Dr. Studer’s third twin-jet design.

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  66. Trains are great Rex but they attract lazy unions like fat to a Labrador.
    The massive investments needed and the regimented systems allow too much scope for delays and ransom.
    I’ve seen all your rationales years ago but the trucks keep coming. They’re flexible and will run 24/7 unlike rail. It’s why TaliDan and his union paymasters hate the independent truckers so much.

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  67. Despite going missing he remained in contact with family

    How can you be missing and in contact with family at the same time?

    It’s an Australian thing….

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  68. And, while I am still having my own monologue here, I was at a talk by a European Cardinal who was extolling the virtues of the vax last year (I’m not doing a St Ruth here cos I couldn’t care less if you got it or not)… he said “Catholics do not believe in conspiracy theories.”

    I made a b-line for him afterward and, after some “navigation” managed to get to him and said “Dear Cardinal, the crux of Christianity is founded on a conspiracy.” I think he thought I was an anti-Christian nutter (by the look on his face) until I continued: “Christ was taken. In the middle of the night. By conspiring forces. The Romans and Jews conspired together despite hating one another and only half the Council was present. Those that opposed the Council that were present were told to go home.” I still think he thought I was a nutter (and perhaps right?) but at least it gave him food for thought! 😛

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  69. Rex Anger says:
    December 16, 2022 at 1:28 pm

    I cant wait for all freight to be sent by train from East to West, as soon as that is achieved the unions will shut down the rail until they are paid more than the prime minister and can have a tea break every 100 klm. All trains will require a crew of 10. SARC.

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  70. Joe Kennedy made promises to the mafia if they helped out with rigging the presidential election (Cook County mainly). Then John and Robert proceeded to give the unions and the mafia (BIRM) a hard time.
    Joe didn’t deliver.
    Was the mafia happy to help out with the cleanup* ? No problem.

    * take note ALP.

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  71. Trains are great Rex but they attract lazy unions like fat to a Labrador.

    […]

    I’ve seen all your rationales years ago but the trucks keep coming. They’re flexible and will run 24/7 unlike rail.

    Should I point out Big Trucking, Toll/Ipec, Linfox, Bill Shorten and the Lying Slapper’s Road Safety Renumeration Tribunal and the comparatively massive TWU, Cats?

    TaliDan and his union paymasters hate the independent truckers so much…

    … because they are not under union control. They have no interest in railways beyond the Public Sector-controlled (and thus easily union-manipulated) metropolitan passenger organisations.

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  72. After almost 60 years, the US government still refuses to divulge who killed President John F. Kennedy

    Faking some moon landings wasn’t the smartest govt move either, they expected the sheep to unthinkingly accept that could happen.

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  73. Have not seen the video in discussion but this media quote stuck out as significant (and will assume it’s actually in the video).

    “They came to kill us and […]” Gareth said.

    This seems very unlikely.
    In some ways the reality is worse than that. These folks were being expected to live a life they did not want to live. I don’t know if snuffing folks out without a fuss is as easy as Hollywood movies make it out to be. I’ll bet it’s not that easy. Besides, public service’s goal is compliance, and you can’t comply if you’re dead. So it doesn’t really make sense to believe this would be the police’s motive.

    Still sounds like Mr Mackey‘s frequent admonishment was the main accelerant in this situation.

    I have to wonder how many sieges would never have happened if the jilted had a good PR campaign. Focussing public attention on your issue and giving people good reason to believe it and take your side morally on the issue is probably the only chance at getting a better outcome without violence.

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  74. tea break every 100 klm

    I already have that provision.

    All locos have kettles. 🙂

    And loos.

    No need to cut holes in engine decks for me, baby! 😀

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  75. When things are grim in the world Nature always has a way of restoring gratitude for what we are granted in this life. For those on this blog who similarly enjoy the natural world I offer this small experience from yesterday.

    We have returned briefly to the city and our urban wildlife take little time to be alerted to the fact that the meal providers have returned. As we sat out on our upper terrace having a glass of cheer in the late afternoon we were watched keenly by two Currawongs sitting high in the shade of our neighbour’s Frangipani tree. A small Water Dragon had soon arrived and positioned himself on the arm of one of our cane chairs as we sat opposite. He haunts this upper space as he is cowered by the Big Fella who commands the lower terrace. The small one began to do the most amazing thing – he waves his forearm. We used to think this was an aggressive sign. Maybe it is, but I’m sure he used it on this occasion to tell us he was there and waiting for a meal!

    In a short while a sole Lorikeet arrived – a bit unusual as they are normally in pairs. We put a little honey in a dish (I know, I know we shouldn’t do this!) and he (it was a boy) sat on the edge, feeding, as I held the dish. I insisted he should earn his meal & stroked him gently, though he protested. And then, after his meal, he did the damnedest thing – he sat on my knee for a while before flying up into a small palm in a pot on the balcony.

    It was quite a lovely scene, especially as a magpie joined the others with her latest squarking offspring on the lower terrace, looking for scraps left by the water dragons.

    We are truly lucky to enjoy both rural and suburban wildlife. That is, except for our marauding fox in the country who recently despatched my chooks. And the bloody feral pigs, which for some unknown reason, have chosen to dig up the earth and turn over the stones in our Aboriginal Bora Ring..

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  76. John of Mel says:
    December 16, 2022 at 12:20 pm

    Mrs Speedbox is in Singapore at present with our youngest Ms Speedbox. They travelled with Qantas.

    Officially, the Singapore govt require non-Singaporeans to undertake a PCR test 3 days prior to arrival in Singapore and proof of travel insurance covering medical expenses of no less than $30,000 and to download an app called ‘Trace Together’ when in Singapore.

    In Brisbane, Mrs/Ms Speedbox report that when they approached the QF desk for check-in, they were asked “do you have all the documents you need?” “Yes” was the response to which the QF lady said “ok” but didn’t ask to see anything.

    Upon arrival in Singapore, border security didn’t ask to see any of the documents and Mrs/Ms Speedbox were waved through.

    Ms Speedbox is competing in an international level event and thus there are competitors from around the globe. Spectators are encouraged to wear masks, as are competitors when not competing, as this is an indoor venue . Mrs Speedbox reports that (maybe) 30% of spectators and 0% of competitors are wearing masks but it is not compulsory.

    Elsewhere in Singapore, ‘some’ people wear mass but again (maybe) 30-40% that she has seen to date. She hasn’t been on public transport but believes that may still be compulsory.

    People seem to be ‘over’ the mask wearing thing. And as rickw or Rock Doctor mentioned upthread, other destinations are desperate for the incoming tourist $$ so requirements were dropped some time ago. Singapore perhaps not so much but even they seem to have largely given up the idiocy.

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  77. “After almost 60 years, the US government still refuses to divulge who killed President John F. Kennedy”

    Because there’s nothing to divulge. Lee Harvey Oswald killed President John F. Kennedy.

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  78. David Pocock weighs in…

    All Australians should benefit from Australian resources. It doesn’t make any sense that oil and gas companies are getting to walk away with record profits while Australians are left with nothing.

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  79. Dreyfus has just announced the abolition of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal:

    he wasn’t happy that “illegals” were only winning 95% of their cases so he’s moving to ensure a 100% success rate .. I’m guessing the “new” look AAT will be a full-on rubber-stamp for Labor favourites ..
    Plus as a bonus he’s adding an extra 70 “jerbs” cos the 1100 already troughin’ just ain’t enuf ..

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  80. Suddenly Catallaxy has become conspiracy central? I didn’t think the Train Sushi incident was that inspirational.
    Two quick points.

    alwaysright reckoned:

    Joe Kennedy made promises to the mafia if they helped out with rigging the presidential election

    If he was the one making the promises to the Mafia, why did he die of a stroke at 73 instead of at the hands of the Mafia? This theory isn’t exactly leaping out as a credible explanation.

    Salvatore said deadpan:

    Faking some moon landings wasn’t the smartest govt move either

    Now now, Salvatore, you know you can’t make jokes like that without someone thinking you’re serious and getting the whole blog made guilty by perceived association.
    The bottom line is that the Russkis could have and would have busted the operation if it were a fake.

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  81. David Pocock weighs in…

    Ensuring his upcoming date wiv the “druggie’s moll” to Canada ain’t his last taste of the “good life” .. LOL!

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  82. Yeah I don’t buy the fake moon landing conspiracy.

    When I’m outside with my pretty powerful telescope, I see far far too many satellites buzzing overhead every single minute (or more in regional areas) and if you can have low earth orbit and deep earth orbit gizmo’s doing that… It’s not much of a leap from there onto the moon…

    I did see, though, Rumsfeld once speaking that they did stage the moon landing at some desert location but was done in the case that they couldn’t beam the pictures back and in the end it wasn’t needed.

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  83. The bottom line is that the Russkis could have and would have busted the operation if it were a fake.

    They failed to bust the NASA conspiracy that the moon is just dust and rocks and Helium-3 precursors.

    And the Cheese factory on the Dark Side of the Moon (1 Crater Street, The Dune Sea) remains safe, productive and unmolested…

    Shit. 🙁

    #AccidentalDivulging

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  84. All Australians should benefit from Australian resources. It doesn’t make any sense that oil and gas companies are getting to walk away with record profits while Australians are left with nothing.

    Nothing except jobs (direct & multiplier) a shedload of consolidated revenue in Royalties, infrastructure (wheelyabarrowbak gets new roads & stuff coz, gasplant) & … oh yeah…. gas to cook with on modern stoves.

    Pocock should have stuck to gluing himself to bulldozers.

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  85. Faking some moon landings wasn’t the smartest govt move either, they expected the sheep to unthinkingly accept that could happen.

    WAT?

    Because there’s nothing to divulge. Lee Harvey Oswald killed President John F. Kennedy.

    I suspect he had criminal congeners. He has a crazy past and the documented CIA and KGB fuckery is amazing.

    The plot below occurred three weeks before the assassination in Dallas.

    I recommend you read this.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3902495&page=1

    “Had seen lying on the bed several automatic rifles with telescopic sights, with an outline of the route that President Kennedy was supposed to take in Chicago that would bring him past that building,” said former Secret Service agent Abraham Bolden.

    Bolden, 72, of Chicago, was a young agent in 1963. After a few years as an Illinois state trooper, Bolden joined he Secret Service and was invited by Kennedy onto the prestigious White House detail. He was the first black agent assigned to protect a president.

    Bolden recalled how agents bungled surveillance of those two suspected Cuban hit men. They disappeared and were never identified.

    “No one was sent to the room to fingerprint it or get an ID. The case was lost and that was the end of it,” Bolden said.

    (I thought he was a USN veteran as well, not just a state trooper).

  86. God damn it Rex. That was supposed to be a secret.

    Wait……

    Ok, I’ve just received a message from the Royal Uniform Society of Specialised Korall Importers (RUSSKI) that you are being recalled to the Plato Crater. Please attend the departure pad asap. No need to pack anything. You will be met on arrival and escorted to the meeting.

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  87. Like many, I’d like to think there was some grand Soviet or Mafia conspiracy around the events of that awful day in Dallas sixty years ago, but I don’t see it. From what I’ve read, Lee Harvey Oswald was an unstable, attention seeking misfit, a little runt of a man, a dangerous little man, who was looking for a cause and fight to make him immortal, and he found it that dreadful day in Dallas in 1963. The lives of two men changed forever.

    Perhaps Oswald was a Manchurian figure, manipulated like a puppet to murder a president. If that was the case I doubt it was the mafia, more likely the Soviets but even the Soviets thought Oswald was a unstable and unreliable loon. Back in the 1990s, to mark the 30th anniversary of the assassination, an American network (I think it was CBS or ABC) made an excellent documentary about the assassination. And because the Soviet Union had collapsed, they were able to interview the three Russian KGB operatives who’d worked at the Soviet embassy in Mexico City and they related how they’d spoken to Oswald back in October 1963, when he caught a bus to Mexico City from Dallas (it was on that bus to Mexico City that Oswald had a long conversation with two young Australian women who were travelling the world). The Russians related how they found him to be an unstable fantasist.

    Another important point, having served in the marines before he defected to the Soviet Union, Oswald was known to be an excellent marksmen.

    It’s a tragic, tragic tale.

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  88. The Learjet Model 60 and 45 everything after them by Bombardier is just so much corporatised ‘meh.’

    Rex, the 50-seat Bombardier CL100/200 regional jet was actually a very clever aeroplane. Launched in 1989, the stretched Bombardier business jet gave smaller American cities non-stop flights to major hubs for the first time.

    But Bombardier was too stupid, incompetent and lazy to turn it into a program with a future. The CRJ700-900 stretches were too range- and payload-limited to compete with the Embraer 170-175-190-195.

    Needless to say, the Embraers are now the only independent product in the large regional jet space. Bombardier sold its C-series regional jet program to Airbus, which now markets it as the 100-150-seat A220-100/300 while production of the CRJ series lapsed during the Kung Flu years, which decimated commercial aviation.

    Bombardier’s next move inevitably will be to exit the business jet market altogether to concentrate on the lovely big government subsidies available to train builders. Bombardier now gets big fat government cheques from Daniel Andrews among others.

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  89. …sitting in a leather recliner chair whilst sipping a champer/vino as your Lear Jet takes off is an experience i recommend to all Cats.

    Two massive tailside engines for 8 people, the power is amazing!

    At one point in my life, I was on one of those at least once a fortnight but, sadly, doubtful I’ll ever get the experience again… boooooo!!! 😛

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  90. Boambee Johnsays:
    December 16, 2022 at 3:11 pm

    Dover

    Had a Bad Gateway problem for a while, now OK.

    I did too – using different browsers.

  91. Re the corporate jet thing:

    Saw ad in a swanky magazine (The Robb Report) for an aircraft time share arrangement (company os Valor ‘K) in a Dassault Falcon 7X . My God – the photo of interior was amazing.

    Life on a different scale.

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  92. “Have you considered 1080 for the fox?”

    Call me pathetic, but I can’t do it. NPWS have used it throughout our nearby Wollemi – but still plenty of foxes in the valley.

    The worst thing was the damn thing sitting on our mat at door shortly after its murderous raid. It was such a beautiful creature. We have installed an electric wire about 10cm off the ground around the chook pen. The only viable entry for the fox is under the fence, as it did before – but doubtful if it can accomplish that without getting zapped.

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  93. Had a Bad Gateway problem for a while, now OK.

    Working on it as we speak. Buttons went missing as we had to switch off all plugins to see if they were interfering with caching which was causing the bad gateway prob.

  94. Vicki… I’ll leave that idea that a fox is a beautiful creature to one side- you have to commit to destroying it, otherwise you’re just feeding it terrorized chooks.
    Don’t get me wrong, I admire foxes, they are a worthy adversary, and a big lush one is a sight to behold, and a smell to endure. Beauty, though is in the eye of the beholder.

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  95. It was such a beautiful creature. We have installed an electric wire about 10cm off the ground around the chook pen.

    One can have foxes, or one can have chickens. But not both.

    KaBLAM is the only solution for those ferocious little bastards.

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  96. Cassie of Sydney says:
    December 16, 2022 at 3:02 pm
    Like many, I’d like to think there was some grand Soviet or Mafia conspiracy around the events of that awful day in Dallas sixty years ago, but I don’t see it. From what I’ve read, Lee Harvey Oswald was an unstable, attention seeking misfit, a little runt of a man, a dangerous little man, who was looking for a cause and fight to make him immortal, and he found it that dreadful day in Dallas in 1963. The lives of two men changed forever.

    Perhaps Oswald was a Manchurian figure, manipulated like a puppet to murder a president. If that was the case I doubt it was the mafia, more likely the Soviets but even the Soviets thought Oswald was a unstable and unreliable loon. Back in the 1990s, to mark the 30th anniversary of the assassination, an American network (I think it was CBS or ABC) made an excellent documentary about the assassination. And because the Soviet Union had collapsed, they were able to interview the three Russian KGB operatives who’d worked at the Soviet embassy in Mexico City and they related how they’d spoken to Oswald back in October 1963, when he caught a bus to Mexico City from Dallas (it was on that bus to Mexico City that Oswald had a long conversation with two young Australian women who were travelling the world). The Russians related how they found him to be an unstable fantasist.

    Another important point, having served in the marines before he defected to the Soviet Union, Oswald was known to be an excellent marksmen.

    It’s a tragic, tragic tale.

    I tend to agree Cassie although the Zapruder film cast series doubt on the single bullet theory that the Warren Commission held its hat on.

    I’m of the view that Oswald was one of the shooters but I strongly suspect there was a 2nd shooter and when you have 2 you have a conspiracy.

    The film JFK is a brilliant exercise in cinematic technique which unfortunately gave too much credence to Jim Garrison’s flawed investigation into the assassination.

    I guess we’ll never know the full true story.

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  97. All Australians should benefit from TV rights payments for our national sports teams. It doesn’t make sense that a bunch of rich players should walk away with it all and we get nothing.

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  98. “From what I’ve read, Lee Harvey Oswald was an unstable, attention seeking misfit, a little runt of a man, a dangerous little man, who was looking for a cause and fight to make him immortal, ”

    So, the Soviets or the Mafia would have far more professional assassins on the payroll, then this misfit with his mail order rifle?

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  99. Oi Dover- where’s me special text boxes gone?
    https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/victoria-s-yoorrook-calls-for-urgent-changes-to-the-state-s-criminal-justice-system/vi-AA15l03t?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c1f3c42e549f423f987290b97c602440&category=foryou
    Victoria’s Yoorrook? What in blazes is Victoria’s Yoorrook? Oh they might mean the Victorian parliament’s specially invented commission into keeping more violent recidivists free on the street. I’d like to think it’s just the ABC nomenklatura knocking off for their two-month summer holidays and leaving the headlines to the work experience kids, but it’s more likely the Lizard People policy of inserting neologisms sans lube at us until we roll over into a new dawn of Kiwi style iwis, Three Waters, renamed landmarks with no capital letters and letters with those flat bars over the top.
    Victoria’s Yoorrook is about as predictable as the latest Victoria’s Secret.

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  100. Yes, the pork-barrelling, cronyism and political stacking by the Coalition were bad.

    They really were. Half a mill per year for a bulltish job where you were supposed to have a legal background but few of the Lib cronies did.

  101. About the only thing we can say for certain about the JFK thing as that there was a murder and a cover up. The cover up continues to this day because they will not release the CIA/FBI bits. Odds on those files will show Oswald was being run by one or both. If that’s the case then all 26 volumes of the warren commission report, including the magic bullet theory and the bit that discusses whether or not Oswald’s mother had false teeth (yes that’s in there – must have been a vital part of the investigation!) has to go out the window and started again. And no-one wants that.

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  102. Vicki—I hope you are right about your pen being secure now. Personally, any compassion I might have felt towards foxes evaporated completely when one ate my ducks.

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  103. WTF? Twitter suspends mad, leftwing rake Keith Olbermann? Wow! I never expected that even though Olbermann is a loser skunk of a human being.

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  104. We have chosen a modest intervention to make sure that Australian manufacturers are not driven out of business as a direct result of these high global prices being imposed in Australia, even though these are Australian resources with no increase whatsoever in Australian production costs.

    Many of those Australian manufacturers are going to be a bit disappointed with the result.

    The media, hasn’t read the legislation (to be fair, it’s still in exposure draft form and incomprehensible unless you have a fairly detailed understanding of the gas market) – and is simply repeating the Government line that gas prices will be capped at $12/GJ.

    The reality is a lot more complicated than that.

    Gas producers, the ones who go and explore and develop and extract the gas, are limited to a $12/GJ price at the point of sale. This is done by Competition and Consumer (Gas Market Emergency Price) Order 2022.

    However not many gas users buy direct from producers. Most gas users – typically those using less than around 50,000GJ/annum (for reference, you use an average of ~30GJ/annum at home) – buy their gas from market aggregators, such as AGL and Origin.

    Market aggregators are not restricted in what they can charge.

    So most customers won’t be seeing $12/GJ gas.

    They will still be paying $30-$40/GJ buying gas on commercial tariffs from AGL et al – who will be paying $12/GJ (down from the ~$14-$16/GJ they are currently paying on term contracts).

    Smoke and mirrors.
    And much, much trouble ahead.

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  105. “Victoria’s Yoorrook? What in blazes is Victoria’s Yoorrook?”

    The ultimate in “Stories my Nanna told me.”

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  106. “The film JFK is a brilliant exercise in cinematic technique which unfortunately gave too much credence to Jim Garrison’s flawed investigation into the assassination.”

    Garrison was a fantasist.

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  107. “A few other leftwing journalists’ accounts were also suspended.”

    Elon is making them live up to their own rules – ie, using their own tactics against then.
    Frankly, I think Elon is at the point where he has enough personal assets that even if he lost Tesla, Space-X etc, he’d still be comfortably well off for the rest of his life. Therefore, he doesn’t really have any reason to care all that much what the ultimate outcome is, he just wants to put that tom thumb bunger in the ant nest, light the fuse and watch the chaos as those who thought they were “untouchable” get a lesson in reality. Can’t really say I blame him – what’s the point of being fuck-off rich if you can’t have a bit of fun with it?

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  108. That’s zero excuse Kneel. He may have decent excuse, but Musk went preaching free speech and paying back lefties was never the expectation. Again, if it’s for that reason then it’s a very bad move.

  109. “Elon is making them live up to their own rules – ie, using their own tactics against then.”

    Indeed, it’s sweet, very sweet, and pure Alinsky. One of his Alinsky’s rules is…””Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”

    That’s how you deal with the left. You put the shit in front of them and make them eat it.

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  110. Bowen brushes off ‘Soviet-style intervention’ comment as ‘laughable’

    As would’ve I.
    It’s far more fascist, than communist…for the moment.

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  111. Dr Faustus says:
    December 16, 2022 at 4:02 pm

    So, in essence, retail suppliers (aggregators) such as Origin/AGL have just scored a margin increase of ~$2 to $4/Gj and they are under no compulsion to pass that ‘saving’ on to their retail consumers.

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  112. ROFLMAO.

    Just read in a local freebie paper that the Horndale Tesla Big Battery can provide 2000 megawatt seconds of equivalent inertia to the SA grid if needed (presumably on the assumption that it is fully charged at the time).

    Sounds impressive, but what is this new unit “megawatt seconds”? Divided by 60 seconds in a minute, around 34 megawatt minutes. Divide by 60 minutes in an hour, around 0.5 megawatt hours. This is not going to power the SA economy for long!

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  113. “That’s zero excuse Kneel.”

    Yes it is JC – people who whinge about opinions they don’t like and say it is breaking the rules, should have to live by the same rules.
    My point about Elon is that since Twitter is now a private company, he can do what he wants. And if the push-back kills “his” other companies (Tesla, Space-X etc) in a move designed to cow him into obeying them, then if it doesn’t really hurt his personal finances/lifestyle, he might consider it worth it. I suspect that is the case – that he considers exposing the corrupt, the leeches and the nay-sayer authoritarians is worth destroying what he himself has built. If so, good on him – not too many get to his level of wealth without becoming (if they already weren’t) greedy beyond all sense.

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  114. “Elon is making them live up to their own rules – ie, using their own tactics against then.”

    Indeed, it’s sweet, very sweet, and pure Alinsky. One of his Alinsky’s rules is…””Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”

    That’s how you deal with the left. You put the shit in front of them and make them eat it.

    Oh yes, Cassie!!! If only Conservatives would read Alinksy & understand what is happening.

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  115. Half a mill per year for a bulltish job

    m0nty=fa noticed the problem, but didn’t realise that there is no point in a “bulltish job”. Rather, he seems to think replacing Lieboral appointments in bulltish jobs with Liars appointments in bulltish jobs will be an improvement.

    No, m0nty=fa, bulltish jobs remain bulltish jobs regardless of who appoints the incumbents. Abolish the lot, without replacement.

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  116. Cassie;

    Sure, it’s sweet but it’s also wrong.

    There’s a story that he banned some punk kid who was essentially live streaming the whereabouts of his private jet. Just the other evening some leftie punk went after the car his kid was traveling in because he thought Musk was a passenger. Those leftie journalists reported the incident in a critical way and he banned them. I can be sympathetic to the reason but the African-American needs to be careful. He sounds as though he’s very concerned with his security and he should be. But…

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  117. All Australians should benefit from Australian resources. It doesn’t make any sense that oil and gas companies are getting to walk away with record profits while Australians are left with nothing.

    Gawd almighty. It makes complete sense that these companies are making the moolah. They invest their own capital into their projects, pay for the upkeep of their expensive equipment, renumerate their workforce handsomely to live on site, often away from family.
    They need to pay for licensing and approvement of their plans, often times taking years to even start. And then pay tax after tax.
    If only some mong reporter was to ask Pocock how lithium ion batteries are made, and how it is itself extracted from the ground by 10 year old African kids. And his precious CommCar. I fear however his support for running these companies into the ground will elicit a response akin to Pat Cummins. “It’s complicated.”

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  118. So, the Soviets or the Mafia would have far more professional assassins on the payroll, then this misfit with his mail order rifle?

    IMHO.

    There is almost certainly a lot on Oswald from the CIA/FBI. After all an ex marine who migrated to the USSR, then returned but was still a leftie, around the time of the Cuban Missile crisis whould have seen him at least under some watchlist.

    But it would have been insanity for the Russkies to have used him to pot Kennedy for the exact same reason. Christ imagine the glowing cinder wed be inhabiting is there had been a literal ‘smoking gun” of the USSR being involved in setting it up??

    My thinking is the alphabet agencies dropped the ball on Oswald and any confusion or red herrings over the years have been partially due to their cover ups of the fact.

    Maybe our leaders and institutions have always been as crap as they are now, only its much, much harder to set a narrative now. Eg: Man Monis and the cafe shootings.

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  119. Not a believer in anything else but Oswald acting alone, but there was a book out some years ago, which argued Kennedy was hit by more than one bullet.

    It alleged one of the Secret Service agents near the car mishandled his firearm and one of the bullets hit the president.

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  120. C

    assie of Sydney says:
    December 16, 2022 at 4:07 pm
    “The film JFK is a brilliant exercise in cinematic technique which unfortunately gave too much credence to Jim Garrison’s flawed investigation into the assassination.”

    Garrison was a fantasist.

    Yes he was, but he did shine a light on the absurdities of the Warren Commission and at the trial of Clay Shaw did manage to have the Zapruder film shown in public for the first time.

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  121. Which was?

    That there was no police report made over Musk’s story of a stalker dude stomping on the roof of the car containing his son.

  122. “My point about Elon is that since Twitter is now a private company, he can do what he wants. “

    Indeed, and didn’t we hear the following lines parroted time and time again over the last five to six years, when those on the right rightly complained about Twitter’s overt censorship of conservatives, that…

    “Twitter is a private company”

    and

    “you can always build your own social media platform”.

    My oh my, we even had the resident grub here parroting those lines.

    Except remember when a platform was created called Parler? Just when it was gaining some traction, the progressive left decided to destroy it, and it never recovered.

    Oh and those same “journalists” didn’t say boo when the NYP was silenced before the November 2020 election.

    And those same “journalists” didn’t say boo when a sitting president was kicked off the platform.

    Nup, those same journalists and all the rest of the complaining hypocritical whingeing progressive left scum can now be force fed their own hypocritical shit and then they can fuck right off.

    Pardon the language!

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  123. Lazerpig presents to you- Zircon!

    This single obscure detail is the proof of everything I’d suspected!!

    Seriously though, I was sold on the channel name alone.

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  124. hahahahahaaha

    Rupar is one one of the biggest dissemblers on the left. In fact there’s a new word, to rupar means:

    Urban Dictionary

    (Verb)To purposely mislead. To completely mischaracterize a statement or video by omitting context.

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  125. ‘I don’t want to die, but I don’t want to be homeless’: Canadian man, 65, has a doctor’s approval for euthanasia despite admitting becoming POOR is a main reason he’s applying to die
    A doctor approved Les Landry’s application for medical assistance in dying, despite him saying poverty is a major factor in the decision to end his own life
    Landry, 65, awaits verdict of second doctor who visited his home on Wednesday
    Landry says if the second approval isn’t given, he will ‘shop’ for another doctor willing to sign it off – something that’s legal under Canada’s euthanasia laws
    He said benefit cuts mean ‘sooner or later I just won’t be able to afford to live’
    Shocking case lays bare the relaxed approach to euthanasia in Canada, where experts say ‘choosing to die is more accessible’ than support for disabled people

    logical end point of a woke welfare state

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  126. Not all the suspended journalists work for large news outlets. Aaron Rupar, an independent reporter who publishes a politics and media newsletter called Public Notice, was also among those who suddenly loss access to their Twitter account.

    “I haven’t been provided any explanation at all from Twitter,” Rupar told the Inquirer. “I would appreciate it if someone there would try to explain the rationale for this. Twitter is obviously a huge, huge part of my audience, so as an independent journalist being cut off from that really hurts.”

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  127. It alleged one of the Secret Service agents near the car mishandled his firearm and one of the bullets hit the president.

    Iirc correctly it was the fatal one that took out the back of his head

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  128. That there was no police report made over Musk’s story of a stalker dude stomping on the roof of the car containing his son.

    There’s video evidence, you fat lesbian. It’s on Musk’s Twitter page. Musk has said he taking legal action over the issue. That means, most likely, his personal lawyer would be handling it. It may not have been reported officially at that point in time.

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  129. ““I haven’t been provided any explanation at all from Twitter,” Rupar told the Inquirer. “I would appreciate it if someone there would try to explain the rationale for this. Twitter is obviously a huge, huge part of my audience, so as an independent journalist being cut off from that really hurts.””

    Oh diddums, my heart is just aching. Hmm, I wonder, did Mr Rupar ever defend Meghan Murphy, Carl Benjamin, Kellie-Jay Keen, Graham Linehan, Laura Loomer, Gavin McInnes, James Lindsay, Jordan Peterson, the one and only President Donald Trump, and the many, many others who were all booted from Twitter because they refused to kowtow to progressive narratives and causes such as the bullshit that “transwomen are women”. All of the above, when they were kicked off Twitter, were never ever “provided with an explanation”. Meghan Murphy, booted from Twitter because she dared say that a man could not become a woman, was never provided with any “rationale”.

    I’m enjoying the schadenfreude.

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  130. The unanswered question – why not release all documents after 60 years?

    To muddy the waters and keep us yapping about it.

    Been to the site. Stood on the grassy knoll, the two hit points and in the dreaded window. The scale of the area is tiny. We aren’t talking the Champs Élysées here guys. A good marksman could easily hit the moving target that was moving slowly away from him in a direct line. One bullet to get the range, one to hit the target and one to make sure.

    Oswald was a good marksman. And, as it turned out later in the day, a cold blooded killer.

    Others may have put him up to it. Probably did. But the extra gunman to do the job is a derg that just won’t hunt.

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  131. Horsechops too scared to cook lanbchops?

    New Zealand set to cancel Jacinda Ardern’s Waitangi Day BBQ amid security concerns
    The annual event likely won’t be going ahead in 2023 amid growing concerns that radical fringe groups are transforming the country’s security environment

    If only they had a treaty…. oh!

    Data released in June indicated that police-recorded threats against Ardern had almost tripled over three years, amid a rise in conspiracy movements and a backlash against vaccinations.

    New Zealand’s Covid-19 measures were seized on by some fringe groups and furious – sometimes-violent – protests from anti-vaccine, anti-government and far-right groups have marred 2022.

    At a three-week occupation of Wellington’s parliamentary precinct in February, protesters called for Ardern and journalists to be executed or tried for crimes against humanity.

    The protest descended into a violent riot in which at least 40 police officers were injured, 100 people were arrested, fires were lit around parliament grounds and the parliamentary playground was razed.

    Those groups have not fully dissolved even as New Zealand discarded its anti-Covid measures. At least two men, both of whom were incensed by the country’s vaccination drive, have been arrested this year for repeatedly threatening to assassinate Ardern.

    Cant you feel all the happiness and reconciliation oozing from the land of frightened sheep?

    I love how “right wing” now means “doesnt like an overbearing government”.

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  132. Zipster

    seems there has been a severe failure at the police if there have been previous “safety checks” that were told to buzz off. If that is true, on what grounds did they return?

    That’s the one question that stands out like the dog’s proverbials.

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  133. Seems the police are caught between warm, fuzzy, female lead community policing and stomping on your face in paramilitary gear. So what is it?

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  134. I’ve yet to watch in full. Got the weekend for that. This goes on for close to 3 hours.

    X: “3 hours!”
    Me: F*ck off and go watch Sky News and then provide running pinball commentary on that sh8t. Astonishing to read the amount of people that still watch MSM, hoping for something different. All on Sky News are useless.

    Here is a question. When will Sky News invite Tony Heller on the show?

    X: “Will have a cup of tea and watch Bolt”

    **************

    The HighWire with Del Bigtree :

    https://rumble.com/v20tcug-episode-298-bringing-the-heat.html

  135. Heh. Been to the sites of two political assassinations. Was on that street corner in Sarajevo earlier this year.

    I guess Tower Green doesn’t cut it (nyuk, nyuk). That was definitely murder by the State.

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  136. bespokesays:
    December 16, 2022 at 5:16 pm
    What will it achieve?

    Well its already made it much harder for their ABCcess to find a “hook” for their morning hate.
    The left media luuuurved twitter as it gave them a “we are just reporting on this story because a blue tick on twitter said it” and gave them a mine of reliably left comments to broadcast as ‘public opinion”.

    Musktwitter has seen them publicly stating they ” are looking for alternate sources such as Mastadon” as the hivemind has been kicked over.
    They turned it into a big version of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JournoList

    For anybody on twitter, can they check how many followers KRudd has now? If Must was to out him as a follower buyer it would be awesome.

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  137. Dreyfus has just announced the abolition of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal:

    Wow. Whitlam on steroids. I don’t remember that in the election run up.

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  138. Keating’s demolition of Dr John and his GST cake was the end of policy in Opposition in Australia. And it shows.

    7
  139. Gillard has 836.3K followers.

    There will be s9me overlap, of course. The zombies are strong and many.

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  140. The penny must be dropping within the letter folk that some letters are better than others:

    A woman in Norway is facing up to three years in prison on criminal hate-speech charges after saying that a man cannot become a lesbian.

    Tonje Gjevjon, a lesbian filmmaker and actress, was informed on Nov. 17 that she was under investigation for speaking out against prominent Norwegian activist Christine Jentoft on Facebook. Jentoft is a transgender female that often refers to herself as a lesbian mother.

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  141. Hi Cats!

    Freshly decanted Anger #773 here.

    Apparently some fool predecessor of mine let slip there was a cheese factory on the moon?

    [BANG]

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  142. Given the zombie nature of Twitter “following”, and the disinclination of conservatives towards soshul meeja, Tony Abbott has more followers than Luigi.

    That’s gotta hurt.

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  143. Random Wodehouse:
    “felt like one of Tolstoy’s peasants, when after putting in a heavy day’s work strangling his father, beating his wife, and dropping the baby into the city reservoir, he turns to the cupboard, only to find the vodka bottle empty”.

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  144. bespoke says:
    December 16, 2022 at 5:08 pm
    Apart from turning twitter into right wing bubble and personal gratification. What it achieve?

    1) Rebalance the site as a genuine discussion forum.
    2) Treat all tweeters as equal in that discussion.

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  145. Dreyfus has just announced the abolition of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal:

    Because it was a bunch of political appointments.

    Fuck me, nobody does political appointments better than Labor – just look at them in WA. Its the fucking yah yah labor sista-hood taking over the entire public sector…

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  146. they have learnt not to frighten the horses

    Peter Garrett said they’d change everything once they made it onto the treasury benches.

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  147. JCsays:
    December 16, 2022 at 4:51 pm
    hahahahahaaha

    Rupar is one one of the biggest dissemblers on the left. In fact there’s a new word, to rupar means:

    Urban Dictionary

    (Verb)To purposely mislead. To completely mischaracterize a statement or video by omitting context.

    He is probably a contributor to the leftard talking points that Fat Boy tries to sell here, with little success.

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  148. 1) Right wing ideas are critical to humans surviving- at least, more than a few million worldwide.
    2) Left wing ideas always fail but about 20 per cent of the population are so in love with lording it over other people, they will fight hard to ensure they exist.
    3) Another 60 odd per cent of people allow themselves to get sucked in by left wing slogans and join in in order to virtue signal.

    The above are all obviously true so we should easily be able to go from that realization to understanding just how easy it is to beat left wing ideas. Make leftists pay the consequences of their beliefs and there will be nobody in category 3). And those in category 1) will shut their mouths because even though they are prepared to make some sacrifices for the “benefit” of lording it over others, they won’t want to jeopardise their existence.

    Note that it doesn’t work in reverse. Leftists can’t stamp out right wing thought entirely because, as I say, humanity’s existence is predicated on it.

    In short, JC is an idiot and a coward.

    If right wing people were never like him and were all like Cassie, there wouldn’t be a single country in the world with even the remotest left wing policies.

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  149. Jesse Watters showing some of the californication hearings for reparations to the US blacks. The common element in all the black speakers demanding reparation is the utter hatred they have for the US and whitey.

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  150. Via some bloke who is trying to flog a new book about JFK…

    Like a lot of JFK obsessives, Vince wanted to talk about theories more than he wanted to talk about facts..

    Reclaiming History was always described as the invincible champion of the lone gunman theory. Invincible physically to any who tried to pick it up off the shelf, perhaps, but invincible to criticism…maybe not so much.
    If Morley’s theory is not that the CIA killed JFK, well Bugliosi can be forgiven for jumping to that conclusion, as I also don’t know what else he could be angling at after trying to frame CIA sponsoring of an anti-Castro militia as the recruiting ground for LHO.

    When these documents are released, as required by the JFK Records Act, I believe they will shed light on an CIA psychological warfare operation involving Lee Harvey Oswald that the CIA has never disclosed.

    Well the release deadline came and went and…
    Jefferson [email protected] · 5h:

    To repeat … it’s a shell game…. Mary Ferrell Foundation will have a press conference tomorrow at 10 am EST where I will detail EXACTLY what documents the CIA is hiding after this sham release. Reporters interested in attending please rsvp to @InfoMferrell

    Since the relevant staff member of the still-secret files has been dead for 30 years, the reason cannot be personal now, it is institutional. Sounding like they had strong prior suspicion of LHO at least, possibly even foreknowledge of his plan. Reckon they either blame themselves for failing to protect the prez, or worse. It’s all speculation until the National Archives coughs up.

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  151. H B Bearsays:
    December 16, 2022 at 5:24 pm
    Dreyfus has just announced the abolition of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal:

    Wow. Whitlam on steroids. I don’t remember that in the election run up.

    But he is establishing a new, bigger, brighter (ie, reliably leftard) replacement.

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  152. They repeated an LAPD statement.

    intent and context no longer matter! the left set the precedent, let them eat the same shit sandwich

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  153. Jorgesays:
    December 16, 2022 at 9:22 am
    The English are not renowned for kindness and tolerance.

    On the other hand, if you relish irony, poking fun, witty put downs, and satirical barbs, then it’s the world capital of humour. BBC all the way.

    The English just love their animals and pets (kindness). Not sure about tolerance but they put up with those French Gits up to a point…………Until the tolerance bit breaks……….LOL

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  154. And then Horace Cooper, a black advocate, comes on and completely decimates the notion of reparations.

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  155. The PM is officially Luigi the Unbelievable or if you prefer Luigi the Inconceivable. I prefer the first due to only seeing the guy in the Princess Bride. I don’t see the PM in all his uselessness.

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  156. He [Rupar] is probably a contributor to the leftard talking points that Fat Boy tries to sell here, with little success.

    A trusted blogger?

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  157. A rabbi, a priest and a Baptist minister are all killed instantly in a car accident. Arriving at the pearly gates, they are stopped by St. Peter who advises them that they must pass a short quiz to enter.

    Peter asks the rabbi “Who was the first man?” Rabbi replies “That’s an easy one – Adam!”

    And with that, the organ plays a triumphant melody, blue birds chirp and fly around, cherubim flit back and forth, flowering vines emerge from the ground, the gates swing open, and the rabbi walks in. Then, everything becomes quiet – the birds and cherubim disappear, the vines withdraw. All is silent.

    Peter solemnly turns to the priest “Who was the first woman?” Priest replies “That’s an easy one! Eve!”

    Again, the organ plays a triumphant melody, blue birds chirp and fly around, cherubim flit back and forth, flowering vines emerge from the ground, the gates swing open, and the priest walks in. Then, everything becomes quiet – the birds and cherubim disappear, the vines withdraw. All is silent.

    Finally, Peter turns to the Baptist minister, who is confidently rocking back and forth on heel to toe and smiling. With a sly grin, Peter says “What was the first thing Eve said to Adam?”

    The Baptist minister frowns, grows quiet, applies his fingers to his brow, and thinks. Then he mumbles “That’s a hard one…”

    And the organ plays a triumphant melody…

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  158. Micronesian custom lands Michael McCormack in the drink
    By BEN PACKHAM
    Foreign Affairs and Defence Correspondent
    @bennpackham
    5:38PM December 16, 2022
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    Former deputy prime minister Michael McCormack says he won’t hesitate to drink kava again despite being forced to seek medical help after sculling the potent Micronesian version of the brew.

    The opposition Pacific spokesman was floored this week after drinking the intoxicating beverage in the ­Federated States of Micronesia but says he avoided causing a diplomatic incident. ?Mr McCormack was on a ­bipartisan trip to the Pacific, where kava is deeply embedded in the local culture and is consumed to mark significant occasions.

    On Tuesday he drank five coconut shells of the muddy-brown liquid in Vanuatu, suffering no ill-effects.

    But he was unprepared for the stronger North Pacific kava, known as sakau, that was served in Micronesia the following day at a ceremony with the country’s President, David Panuelo.

    “I drank down the whole lot in one hit,” he said. “Now in the South Pacific, you tip some on the ground out of respect for the gods, and you drink the rest in a mouthful or two, but drinking in one gulp. It’s not as potent as what we encountered up at Micronesia.”

    Within 20 minutes, he was feeling sick. “Honestly, I was cross-eyed and it just hit me … overwhelming,” he said.

    Mr McCormack was helped to a car and taken to a clinic, where he was treated for dehydration.

    “I was fine, but had a very good sleep. I didn’t cause any diplo­matic incidents. I didn’t disrupt the proceedings,” he said.

    Foreign Minister Penny Wong, opposition counterpart Simon Birmingham and Pacific Minister Pat Conroy, who were also on the trip, got through the ceremony in good shape.

    Mr McCormack said he would be happy to participate in future kava ceremonies but would be more cautious in Micronesia.

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  159. But he [Dreyfus] is establishing a new, bigger, brighter (ie, reliably leftard) replacement

    A Fair Work Commission for the rest of us.

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  160. Oswald was a good marksman

    My beef is the multiple shots in a matter of seconds with a centrefire bolt action rifle (not of the best quality) and at a moving target at about 200 metres.

    That said if he was good enough many official investigations have even said there were multiple conspirators even with one shooter.

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  161. Just watched the creatures’ uploaded garbage, done after they’d murdered those two police officers in cold blood.

    Disgusting, self-righteous and wicked.

    Matthew 7:21-23

    “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

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  162. This is a story of self-control and marksmanship by a brave, cool-headed woman with a small pistol against a fierce predator. What is the smallest calibre that you would trust to protect yourself? A Beretta Jetfire testimonial! Here is her story in her own words:

    “While out walking along the edge of a bayou just outside of Fort Lauderdale, in ‘Alligator Alley’ with my soon-to-be ex-husband discussing property settlement and other divorce issues, we were surprised by a huge 12-foot alligator, which suddenly emerged from the murky water and began charging us with its large jaws wide open. She must have been protecting her nest, because she was extremely aggressive. If I had not had my little Beretta Jetfire .25 calibre pistol with me, I would not be here today! Just one shot to my estranged husband’s kneecap was all it took. The ‘gator got him easily and I was able to escape by just walking away at a brisk pace. It’s one of the best pistols in my collection! Plus the amount I saved in lawyer’s fees was really incredible”.

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  163. Dan Andrews has already indicated he will find a job for Fiona Patten.
    What qualifications will she bring to the table.
    No doubt he doesn’t want any bean spilling about pandemic bill negotiations.

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  164. “Dreyfus has just announced the abolition of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal:

    Wow. Whitlam on steroids. I don’t remember that in the election run up.”

    That’s Labor, they don’t waste any time. Ya reckon the Liberals could learn anything?

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  165. Haven’t watched it Calli but have been wondering if they waved away their cold blooded murders with a variation of one saved always saved sin licenced?

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  166. Bar Beach Swimmersays:
    December 16, 2022 at 5:43 pm
    bespoke says:
    December 16, 2022 at 5:08 pm
    Apart from turning twitter into right wing bubble and personal gratification. What it achieve?

    1) Rebalance the site as a genuine discussion forum.
    2) Treat all tweeters as equal in that discussion.

    Those are things I was cheering for all these year not revenge.

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  167. An atheist was seated next to a little girl on an airplane and he turned to her and said “Do you want to talk? Flights go quicker if you strike up a conversation with your fellow passenger”.

    The little girl, who had just started to read her book, replied to the total stranger “What would you want to talk about?” “Oh, I don’t know” said the atheist. “How about why there is no God, or no Heaven or Hell, or no life after death?” as he smiled smugly.

    “Okay” she said. “Those could be interesting topics but let me ask you a question first. A horse, a cow, and a deer all eat the same stuff – grass. Yet a deer excretes little pellets, while a cow turns out a flat patty, but a horse produces clumps. Why do you suppose that is?”

    The atheist, visibly surprised by the little girl’s intelligence, thinks about it and says “Hmmm, I have no idea”.

    To which the little girl replies “Do you really feel qualified to discuss God, Heaven and Hell, or life after death, when you don’t know crap?”

    And then she went back to reading her book.

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  168. re: the JFK imbroglio..
    Just repeating what others, many others, have already said, but which seemed to be beyond the Warren Commission’s understanding of projectile ballistics:
    The Zapruder film at 22″ clearly shows JFK’s fatal shot came from his anterior aspect, probably slightly to the right, ie. towards Zapruder’s standing position, and from below the horizontal.
    Blood and brain explode outward, the classic “pink mist”.
    JFK’s head swings back immediately, on impact, due to the bullet’s partial transfer of its kinetic energy.
    The head then flops forward.. life extinct.

    From Wikipedia: “Three of the physicians reported that the backward and leftward motion of the President’s upper body following the head shot was caused by a “violent straightening and stiffening of the entire body as a result of a seizure-like neuromuscular reaction to major damage inflicted to nerve centers in the brain.”..
    I wonder how much they were paid, or what threats they received, to invent that convenient garbage.

    The few autopsy photos which were made available clearly show the exit wound in JFK’s occipital region, entry was in the region of his right ear, his face intact.
    Had the shot come from Oswald, the entry wound would have been the diameter of the bullet’s caliber, the exit wound would have been a significant chunk of JFK’s face, it would also have continued travelling towards the windscreen/dashboard of the car.. which didn’t happen.

    Ergo: Oswald was not the only shooter.

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  169. Despite going missing he remained in contact with family

    How can you be missing and in contact with family at the same time?
    It’s bullshit.
    Otherwise, why not seek an interview with members of the extended Train family and find out the truth?

  170. Otherwise, why not seek an interview with members of the extended Train family and find out the truth?

    Grigory has volunteered to face the Peril.

    The transcript will probably end up in the same place he keeps Parliament’s CCTV records…

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  171. re:

    It doesn’t make any sense that oil and gas companies are getting to walk away with record profits while Australians are left with nothing.

    Nothing except petrol in their car and natural gas in their…
    tee hee
    natural gas in their…
    hahahaha
    natural gas in their…COOKERS!!!

    bingo!

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  172. I think we’ll have this JFK thing sorted pretty soon now. Our gluten-based physicist in da house.

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  173. Interesting fact about Abraham Zapruder:
    He sued the United States for not returning the film [ of JFK getting his brains blown out].
    Zapruder died in 1970, but his family continued the litigation.
    They were eventually successful, making off with a cool $16 million in 1994.

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  174. Rex mused:

    The transcript will probably end up in the same place he keeps Parliament’s CCTV records…

    I hear their CCTV is operated by the same company that operates the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Lower Manhattan. 😉

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  175. Groog’s analysis was clearly very useful to Brittany’s team. They made off like bandits. As JC said, we owe him an apology.

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  176. Some superannuated BleatSqueaker was having a sook about Higgins getting $3 Mil. in 2022.
    How about Zapruders getting $16 mil. in 1994 because Evidence in an Unsolved Murder wasn’t returned?

  177. In short, JC is an idiot and a coward.

    Of course He/She/It/Whatever/Whocares/Don’tCare/NoCare/…………..And so much more. No one really cares and on this Blog as there is no ownership apart from Dover. Who BTW puts up with a load of crap. JC; you are now ‘Jerkoff C(r)untface’ and the voters have told this site so. I have the numbers in my CIA folder…….lol. So just STFU as you do not own this Blog. Someone else does. So as you try to tell everyone else, just FUCK OFF. And play in the traffic. That’s my idea BTW.

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  178. Bear

    When did I say Eddles is owed an apology or even something that could be mistakenly interpreted that way?

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  179. Dan Andrews has already indicated he will find a job for Fiona Patten.
    What qualifications will she bring to the table.

    Maybe something to do with her job prior to venturing into politics?

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  180. No, rosie. I don’t think their understanding goes particularly deep.

    It was more along the lines of “we’ve done it. See you soon.”.

    Well, they got their wish.

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  181. As JC said, we owe him an apology.

    Forget it, dickhead.
    You, me, and 14,999,998 taxpayers chucked in 2 bob each so that Higgins doesn’t bully the Liberal Party wimminses any more.
    Money well spent, you’d agree?

  182. Dover

    I think you need to take out the garbage. Rodney Rootenhead is having another mental disturbance attack.

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  183. Apropos of all the tonnes of documentary evidence presented at the various JFK assassination enquiries.. ie. years of “useful” public servants’ time, all concluding that a single shooter was responsible.

    They already had Oswald, patsy or otherwise, “convicted” and silenced, so why not:

    1) Perform a proper, descriptive and complete autopsy? (not done)
    2) Take dozens, hundreds of photographs, from every aspect? (not done)
    3) Release the full findings, unredacted and including the photographs? (still not done)
    4) As well as any other available, circumstantial documentation? (not sure about this)

    One can only draw the one, obvious, conclusion.

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  184. Also, on the “once saved, always saved” issue, you’ll only know when you’ve run the race.

    You go through the finish line that says “You chose Me”, and see that the other side says “I chose you first.”.

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  185. Cassie of Sydneysays:
    December 16, 2022 at 6:23 pm
    Isn’t it marvellous? We have a Labor/Greens Coalition government.

    We the People have no Gov’ment any more. The Guv’ment no longer represents us the People.

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  186. Convict ancestors, on Dads side all of his GGGP’s were transported, men and women. All for multiple thefts, assaults and a robbery, nice bunch. Mums side were all Western District, most came over with the Henty’s and a few just afterwards. No money on that side though, too many kids and everything diluted and sold. Dad sometimes stirred mum up because her father when he was young in the depression stole some sheep with some mates, got six months for it. Dad was a copper and thought his family were ‘proper’ people not crooks. When I did the family tree and found the crooks he wasn’t happy, won’t even discuss it now.

    Re my grandfathers sheep stealing, the copper at Warrnambool Rupert Arnold, caught and charged them wasn’t very popular, someone nailed a sheep’s head to the station door one night and after that his nickname was ‘Sheeps head’ it stuck he became chief commissioner and they still called him that behind his back.

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  187. Like Brexit, a simple smackdown of The Voice referendum won’t be recognised until the correct answer from academics is achieved. Here’s Albo tackling the big issues. FMD:

    The Albanese government will allow citizenship ceremonies to be held on a day other than Australia Day.

    As of December 16, citizenship ceremonies can now be held either three days post or prior to January 26.

    Before this change, citizenship ceremonies fell on January 26, which is considered a day of mourning to many Indigenous people.

    On Friday morning, Immigration Minister Andrew Giles announced the change, which follows councils in Melbourne who had signalled plans to move away from the Australia Day ceremonies.

    Mr Giles told SBS the decision came after councils revealed there were higher costs associated with holding the ceremonies on public holidays.

    “Australian citizenship is an important common bond for all Australians, whether by birth or by choice, and lies at the heart of unified, cohesive and inclusive Australia,” he said.

    “The government’s priority is to ensure that where people have made the choice to become Australian citizens, they are afforded that opportunity in their own communities with friends and family in a timely way.”

    Former Liberal prime minister Scott Morrison introduced rules in 2019 that forced local governments to hold the citizenship ceremonies on January 26, Australia Day, or not at all.

    One Melbourne council has already indicated that it won’t hold citizenship ceremonies on January 26.

    Merri-bek City Council Mayor Angelica Panopoulos said a motion to discontinue the Australia Day citizenship ceremonies was carried at a council meeting on December 7.

    “Merri-bek City Council has supported changing the date of Australia Day since 2017 so that our national day of celebration can be held on a day that is inclusive to everyone,” she said.

    In January this year, thousands across the country rallied to change the date of Australia Day, as Indigenous people mourn what they call “Invasion Day.”

    Each year, the recognition of “Invasion Day” grows more and more, with councils, businesses and influencers urging the government to change the date of Australia Day to allow for celebration without causing pain to First Nations people.

    On Friday, the council issued a statement welcoming the federal government’s decision to allow the ceremonies to be held within three days of Australia Day.

    “We are grateful that the federal government will allow us, and all councils, to listen to our communities and make decisions that are right for us when scheduling citizenship ceremonies in January,” Ms Panopoulos said.

    “We look forward to holding many ceremonies in 2023 where we will celebrate Australian citizenship and what it means to be Australian – including our next ceremony, which is proposed for January 24.

    “We will always listen to traditional owners and our First Nations community about matters that are important to them. January 26 is a painful day for many in our community and isn’t the right date to celebrate.”

    Well boys and girls, if you don’t want to celebrate Australia and what this country has done for you, feel free to fuck off to wherever. Rescind your citizenship, refund all monies paid and make your own country in the middle of Bumfuck Idaho.

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  188. Rowling just continued on from J.M. Barrie’s Peter Pan,

    “To live would be an awfully big adventure.”

    And it is.

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  189. In view of you post at 9.42 am this morning with regard to upcoming moderation, Dover, please take note of JC’s post at 6.58 pm.

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  190. JCsays:
    December 16, 2022 at 6:58 pm
    Dover

    I think you need to take out the garbage. Rodney Rootenhead is having another mental disturbance attack.

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I think that with your use of profanity over the last few nights then you should have been reported to Dover. Oh so yes you have been for the use of the C word on many occasions.

    Not by me of course as I will stand up here and wind you up with lots of Armstrongs. You don’t seem to like that so I will continue to post. If you wish to read my posts then good luck with that. You Fat Twat.

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  191. Some superannuated BleatSqueaker was having a sook about Higgins getting $3 Mil. in 2022.
    How about Zapruders getting $16 mil. in 1994 because Evidence in an Unsolved Murder wasn’t returned?

    So save Brittany gets $3million for nothing, assorted media bullshit and undermining the pathetic libs; and the other guys get their stuff back which proved the spooks knocked over the only demorat POTUS worth rooting.

    STFU crotchless.

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