The Strawberry Thieves pattern, William Morris, 1883
2,347 thoughts on “Open Thread – Tues 17 Jan 2023”
Knuckle Draggersays:
January 20, 2023 at 9:36 pm
‘He lives in Florida.’
On his ill-gotten earnings and new Greek philosopher-named scams, no doubt.
LOL. Another misinformed Plonker. So many here.
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Welcome to the top of this page.
On the previous page we had:
* jab mandate shenanigans,
* more Armstrong deconstruction and defense
* Devil’s advocacy for the Aboriginal Voice to Parliament.
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We both recalled fried bread as one of life’s much maligned culinary delights.
See my comment earlier about how the British Empire came about…
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A brief sojourn to NZ, North Island over xmas new year was a pleasant little vacation.
Travelled ina camper van but stayed at large parks.
The scenery was worth the price. Nature is wonderful.
Some interesting things:
– dairy farms that bordered amazing beaches – mostly unheard here on the East Coast Aust.
– East Cape – only road to lighthouse now private so closed off to public – was a fun drive in a 7.4 m van along a dirt road beside a crashing wave – best sunrise views
– hot springs, mud pools, vents besides roads – just fun to be around
– price of dairy products extortionate – for that alone Kiwis should be rioting.
– so much untouched nature – very enjoyable after being in crowded cities etc.
– seeing sheep and cows in a park in middle of Auckland – trippy!
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An example of usage is not an analogy.
We were talking mandates. I gave examples of mandates. Not situations analogous to mandates.
An analogy might be to compare the definition of mandates to something different but which the interlocutor (erroneously) thought was similar, something like, say, a Venn diagram.
That would be an analogy, but a bloody piss poor one.
Whether or not something is a mandate has nothing to do whether the mandate is enforced upon somethings which can be defined as a subset of some other things.
But then the purpose is to troll, not make an argument.
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Knuckle Draggersays:
January 20, 2023 at 9:04 pm
At least that other serial scammer Paul Foster got to pork Samantha Fox.
They’ve both moved up a couple of weight divisions since then.
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We flew into Heathrow to spend a nite in Richmond with Hairy’s brother and family before driving up here to Lancaster and Silverdale, on Morecambe Bay, a place where we have lived for six months on two occasions since 2006. The drive up was great in a brand new hired deep irredescent Royal blue Audi A5, which has power, but also the disadvantage of being very low set, and thus easy to bonk one’s head on bending down low into its sports design getting in and out of it. Worse than the igloo, I say to Hairy, more wary than I was about this one. Today we move onto a Countrty House hotel in Scotland so I can see some more reindeer, this time headless, as antlers only, stuck on Baronial hallways.
Heathrow was a nightmare, not for us with British passports, but for those from elsewhere, non EU, who faced an up to two-hour wait, a huge crowd of mainly ‘people of colour’: subcontinentals, middle eastern, South American and Asians awaiting entry from flights. A no-nonsense fellow travellor Brit at luggage collection, when I opined that was cruel to make travel-tired families with kids also wait, said this was a major trick place for illegal entry, so all visas had to be thoroughly checked. Hairy noted they don’t seem to do that for beached boat arrivals along the eastern seabord, and hearing the Aussie accent, said that he was all admiration for the way Australia had solved that problem.
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I had to draw a Venn diagram to show you that the mandate was industry-specific.
So monty has moved from denying that there was a mandate to saying that they were now only industry-specific, and he has the chutzpah to accuse the other person of engaging in fallacious argument.
Nice piece from the Speccie Online you put up about the sad case known as Prince Harry, Tinta.
I’ve just finished Tina Brown’s The Palace Papers, which is very good on how the Palace plays the media and also on how the deceitful and ruthlessly ambitious Ms. Markle, in the 35th year of her age, biological clock getting louder, very deliberately baited a hook for poor Harry when an opportunity arose during her already declared search for a ‘boyfriend’ triumph to cap her celeb ambitions.
Ukraine, not having control over Hungary, does what it does best and starts harassing the ethnic Magyars with its borders. This is how Ukraine operates. You think Donbass was an isolated incident?
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We have just returned from a very British breakfast. The Full English
I was introduced to a “South African Bush Breakfast” a few years ago. Steak, sausages, eggs, bacon and toast. Set you up very well for the day.
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examples of mandatory, I should have said.
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But then the purpose is to troll, not make an argument.
Lol. Disagreeing with the idiot is to troll now.
1. Heavy duty protectionism.
2. Summary executions
all good.
Covid mandates? How dare they!
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We arrived at Terminal 3 on Finair, not terminal five, where the wait is always reasonable. They direct flights full of people with ‘alien’ passports to terminal 3 now, although not flights from Australia and Canada, which go to five. That crowd of third world hopefuls was a shocking sight,coralled away watching others, mainly white, sail on through. I felt terrible.
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An example of usage is not an analogy.
We were talking mandates. I gave examples of mandates. Not situations analogous to mandates.
An analogy might be to compare the definition of mandates to something different but which the interlocutor (erroneously) thought was similar, something like, say, a Venn diagram.
That would be an analogy, but a bloody piss poor one.
Whether or not something is a mandate has nothing to do whether the mandate is enforced upon somethings which can be defined as a subset of some other things.
But then the purpose is to troll, not make an argument.
I am trying to talk logic with you, Arky. It appears I am falling on deaf ears. Oh well.
Oh look Ed Case hasn’t been here for about 2 hours.
he’ll be back full of bean any minute now, he’s checking out smutley’s prostrate masseuse
Ivan Provorov’s jersey is now completely sold out on NHL Shop and Fanatics with the exception of extra smalls.
Nothing sexier when a girlfriend starts wearing your teams jersey or t-shirts.
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Dot:
The Public Health Acts is where this insanity stems from.
Correct.
And NONE of them have been repealed.
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m0ntysays:
January 20, 2023 at 9:11 pm
A vaccine can be mandated even if a person may avoid the mandate by taking the penalty of resigning from their job.
That IS the mandate. That IS the circumstance being mandated.
I had to draw a Venn diagram to show you that the mandate was industry-specific. You have ignored this diagram because it shows you my point, which you wish to reject because it invalidates your argument.
No, we are too busy laughing at that pathetic excuse for a Venn diagram.
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So monty has moved from denying that there was a mandate to saying that they were now only industry-specific, and he has the chutzpah to accuse the other person of engaging in fallacious argument.
db, in October 2021 in Victoria (to use as a baseline), around 90% of people had had one jab and 70% two jabs. 10% is still a lot of people, not to mention 30% if you think two are what is really needed (as many did).
You may think “okay that’s enough, let ‘er rip” but that is not a decision made by a responsible leader. You don’t just throw 10-30% of the population to the wolves like that. You have the luxury of being irresponsible and uncaring. A leader does not, if they want to be re-elected in a democracy.
The fact that Dan Andrews increased his parliamentary majority should put paid to any assertions that he did the wrong or immoral thing. The voters of Victoria are not mugs, they know the score.
I am trying to talk logic with you, Arky.
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We can’t get to anything as high end as logic when you can’t accept basic definitions.
You’re taking the piss.
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it’s all rather python-esque … is a simile
when is a duck, not a duck? … may prompt you towards metaphor
you mongs are more ridiculous than The Life of Brian … now that, is an analogy
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So monty has moved from denying that there was a mandate to saying that they were now only industry-specific, and he has the chutzpah to accuse the other person of engaging in fallacious argument.
Your seriousness is about the same level as a clown riding a unicycle juggling hamsters. (analogy)
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before he was briefed by Mark ‘Deep Throat’ Felt
Roger Stone has maintained his long held view that John Dean was Deep Throat.
And that Dean was the architect of the Watergate break-in because he’d been fed a story that evidence of his girlfriend being a hooker was there.
He was on Malice the other day telling the story again.
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Reposting.
132andBush says:
January 20, 2023 at 8:34 pm
Monty @9:31 last night.
For those who missed it the 746 other times I had to say it: the vax is not and has never been mandatory, anywhere at any time.
Text lifted from Monty’s “Venn” diagram
Jobs with jabs mandated
Now at 7:20 tonight.
You know how many people lost their jobs to being unvaxxed, among 25 million Australians? It would be measured in the tens of thousands at most (very generously), i.e. a minuscule, tiny fraction
You can’t even get your argument straight.
You should be able to do this before engaging.
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watching the Australia Open and all the Russians have no flags
well, they’re white flags
such powerful messaging
… was mUnty a consultant here?
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You don’t just throw 10-30% of the population to the wolves like that.
I’ve had all 3 major strains including the original alpha and I am still alive. which f*ing wolves are you talking about???? the only ppl that needed protecting were the 70+ demographic. they knew it didnt prevent spread and didn’t prevent infection. they lied and lied and lied
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You are a clown. (metaphor)
wrong.
it’s a fact
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mUnty, you simpleton.
all three are proximately the same
you are playing word games trying not to look like an idiot
and failing
… also a fact
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the vaxed have unwittingly become a massive incubator for new variants that are training to evade immunity.
well done, brilliant, a stroke of genius to attempt to vaccinate your way out of a pandemic with a vaccine that didn’t sterilise.
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And before everyone gets too soppy over JFK, keep in mind that Kennedy was balls deep in the South Vietnam…hmmm…change of management.
The Kennedy presidential library has been letting selected “historians” listen to the Kennedy Whitehouse tapes.
He was so cavalier about the way SV should be run/managed.
Every so often a heart broken JFK luvie turns up at the Hoover Institute attempting to thread the needle on why JFK was so great & why we should disregard what he on tape saying about South Vietnam.
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Some thoughts on the Davros Dingbats (Currently engaged in their annual Hoedown), as convened (again) by their founder, Standartenführer Schwab.
They are out there and in our faces. The WEF (i.e. its convenors and its aims) is not some bizarre conspiracy hypothesis speculated wildly about by tin foil hatted marginalised odd bods, existing as the latter might be, off grid in the middle of nowhere while furiously scribbling equally incoherent manifestos of their own.
The WEF consider themselves to be the new nomenklatura.
They will harness any and all kinds of bizarre blanket (i.e. totalitarian) solutions to the many, many non existent problems they perceive to be “troubling” humanity – which of course, only they are capable of solving, complemented by their ability to unfailingly predict the future.
They love simple short slogans, such as:
You will own nothing
You will exist in a pod
You will eat the bugs
You will be happy …
They are purveying a future for humanity that would be infinitely worse than CCP style communism, a monstrous high tech form of feudalism that would make “1984” look like a libertarian seasteading free love sex colony as imagined/envisioned by Pol Dot, Aldous Huxley, Timothy Leary and the Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh.
Their immediate targets:
Cars
Meat
Electrickery
Private property
Privacy
Free speech
Free Thought
Free will
This is not a world (if it could be dignified with such a term) I want to exist in, Cats.
We must resist it with every fibre of our beings.
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I am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt MT, grab the floaties when offered.
Cats, it’s almost enough to make me accept that mighty tempting offer of “Guest Perfesser in Residency” at the Henry Kissinger Peace Academy … 😕
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Alexandra Marshall
@ellymelly
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5h
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@Kmart_Australia
is now refusing to sell #AustraliaDay merchandise. UnAustralian corporate idiots. You deserve to go broke. This is the same company declared ‘essential’ during #Covid that then locked the #unvaccinated out as punishment later on. Immoral bastards.
Indeed.
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I think it is marvellous of the host of a libertarian site to let all the vaxxies air their biovation as if they really believed in freedom.
Hypocrites with hides like hippos.
Feel free to try and prove me wrong.
I always like a good laugh.
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And before everyone gets too soppy over JFK, keep in mind that Kennedy was balls deep in the South Vietnam…hmmm…change of management.
What’s been written in the past twenty years, with access to the North Vietnamese archives, shows that Ngo Dinh Diem came far closer to crushing the Viet Cong then he was ever given credit for. Granted, his methods were pretty ruthless, but the North Vietnamese couldn’t believe their luck at the “change of management.”
do you allow randoms unfettered private access to your own kiddies, mUnty?
or do your idiot ethics have real-world bounds?
you shit-talker
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I am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt MT, grab the floaties when offered.
The only floaties you’ve got dickless are on your fat arse.
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db, in October 2021 in Victoria (to use as a baseline), around 90% of people had had one jab and 70% two jabs. 10% is still a lot of people, not to mention 30% if you think two are what is really needed (as many did).
You may think “okay that’s enough, let ‘er rip” but that is not a decision made by a responsible leader. You don’t just throw 10-30% of the population to the wolves like that. You have the luxury of being irresponsible and uncaring. A leader does not, if they want to be re-elected in a democracy.
Healthy 18-40 year olds had nothing to worry about from COVID; we are talking about hospitalisation rate being a fraction of 1%. Talking about people being thrown to the wolves is hysterical nonsense.
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I’m still disappointed that Putin didn’t lob a Nuke into Davos.
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another clue mUnty
people like me won’t play your semantic games
but in the real world, you already know that
mind how you go
smile and shut up next time you’re invited to the kiddies birthday party in the park
… like you always do
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The beauty of a sunset over the Noosa river is inexpressible. The colours changing from vivid to a limpid milky softness, helped by a brief rain squall.
From my perch six floors up I spied a gondola and a wooden speedboat in quick succession – Venice in Oz. And people caught on the sand bar as the tide advanced racing to various boats and kayaks drawn up on the ever shrinking margins. Soon blackness, punctuated by the lights of a vessel navigating the channel, nothing more.
I was here in ‘71. Nothing but a few shacks. Tomorrow I will go to Hastings Street. I have been warned – it is a zoo. All those years ago it was a village with a few shops and a pub.
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Casting my mind back then, I remember seeing some of the stupidest stuff. People walking along the beach on their own, masked, on a cool, sunny day. Seeing a cyclist in his 60s or 70s, masked, while riding on the shoulder of the road. Both on the southern end of the bay. But, yes, as monty said, ‘they knew the score’.
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Rabz,
This Slovakian lady.
Is she hot?
Asking for a friend..
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ha ha
the Russian finished the Seppo
omg, and the white flag didn’t even make him surrender
the whole world should posture harder
clearly unacceptable mUnty … what should they do next?
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Davros Dingbats
Tee hee. Daleks the lot of them.
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Is she hot?
Very. Spent most of Thursday chatting to her about various matters (apart from the WEF).
She’s 38 and looks about 28. Her English is impeccable with just the slightest accent (as opposed to my Slovakian, which is non existent). A classic quote:
“I never watch or listen to the news – it’s too depressing”
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clearly unacceptable mUnty … what should they do next?
Dunno, maybe cut his tits off? What’s your think here, Trans?
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Healthy 18-40 year olds
… are not even a majority of the population. Try again.
Dunno, maybe cut his tits off?
oh no
sorry punters
mUnty must have escalated the situation and gone higher up.
… now we have to deal with the Shit-Talker-In-Chief
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you’re another one JC
you’re so nice and simpering in real-life
mind how you go
you shit-talker
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I’m very nice to people who are nice, dickface. That changes when they’re not nice to me, you “simpering” drunk. I also don’t like blowhards. Here’s one example:
there are some forums where your’e like a god and people hang on yr every word.
parts of my little world are like that
I’m the old man
the oracle
the bloke that makes people shit themselves when I enter the room
What’s your thinking here, Trans? Blowhard much?
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She’s 38 and looks about 28.
The Australian sun isn’t too kind to the ladies (or the blokes for that matter). Takes a bit of adjustment in the UK and Europe. Particularly when you had 3 generations out clubbing in Manchester. 10 pints of Guinness still couldn’t help deal with that.
… are not even a majority of the population. Try again.
I didn’t imply they were a majority of the population. They were mentioned because they were the majority of the pool of 18 year olds and above not yet double vaxxed, and importantly, they had nothing to worry about from COVID. So, again, the idea they would be left to the wolves without the vax mandate is hysterical nonsense.
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the bloke that makes people shit themselves when I enter the room
hope to meet you again in real life soon JC
I’d really like to shake your hand
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Dover
I’m just thinking out loud here. This was the point I was trying to get to earlier. How do you think things would have worked out without a state mandate? I don’t know the answer other than having another government intervention in the workplace. The state could have instituted a regulation preventing employees from taking action over COVID. However, this would be as unrealistic as a fat boy suddenly becoming thin.
What do you think would have occurred in Australia without mandates? I’ll tell you what I think. There would have been a complete shitshow of lawsuits against employers on both sides. Let’s say a firm took the view that all employees needed to be vaccinated. Those that weren’t would have sued because their human rights were violated. Those who did not demand vaccination would have been in big trouble if they were caught blaming it on an unsafe workplace.This is Australia this century, as little makes sense. In this case, either way, employers would have their rear ends handed to them. The only way things would work is if employees are employees at will.
hope to meet you again in real life soon JC
I’d really like to shake your hand
The god oracle making threats, hey. Piss off you useless drunkard.
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Whoops, should read. Those who did not demand vaccination would have been in big trouble if someone caught covid blaming it on an unsafe workplace.
This is the individual who goes to a the Good Doc’s home, eats his meals, drink his drink , asks to make videos, takes his entire family to his the docs home and then indirectly refers to the good Doc as a “idiot libertarian”. The Good Doc ran for the LDP as the Thought leader is aware. FMD. Class. 100 % class.
JC says:
January 21, 2023 at 12:11 am
Here’s Thought Leader making threats too. Wow
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I’m actually going to reply to you this once.
Nothing I post is directed at you.
I don’t read your comments generally. The ones directed at me are too full of vitriol to tolerate. I don’t want that stuff in my head.
I have NO ill will towards you despite your best efforts to make it so.
I think fondly of the great conversations we used to have and sad that you have gone this way.
I genuinely wish you all the best and every success. Always. Yes, MTs post made me think of that old song.
Not directed at you.
Nothing I write here or anywhere is at all ever, about you.
Please leave me out of it. I am not interested.
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I don’t believe anything you say because you’re an untrustworthy individual. The Doc one being one example of what an untrustworthy person you are. Many times you’ve posted comments to me or about me (indirectly). You have stalked me in the ways we both know, with the example of the voice mail incident being one.
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I have no idea why you dislike and distrust me.
I don’t know what you are on about.
I think you worked yourself up into a fear over something I have no idea about early on, and it’s spiralled from there.
I have no inside information about you that I could imagine anyone else would find interesting or negative.
I think the most negative things about you are on display in your comments to people here.
I have repeatedly stood up for you. As late as last year suggesting that a mutual friend seek out your advice.
If you have something against me you should man up and broach the actual original thing.
I don’t hold grudges, it this over a year long and personal attack has sure strained that philosophy.
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It’s not just Rugby League with behavioural problems:
1. Rugby union star Kurtley Beale has been charged over an alleged sexual assault of a woman in a toilet in Sydney’s eastern suburbs last year. Refused bail.
2. Australian Olympian Peter Bol has been provisionally suspended after failing an out-of-competition drug test. Bol, who finished fourth in the 800 metres at the Tokyo Olympics, returned a positive result for the banned substance EPO.
Innocent until proven guilty in both cases.
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Oh, for lord’s sake! You posted comments of a private nature about me that could only have been gleaned in a private setting. You did it on two different occasions! You took sides over an issue that had zero to do with you. Even though you deny it, you’re continually making indirect comments directed against mine. You laughed when I blocked your number by leaving a voicemail. It’s not the first time you’ve menaced others with threats. To be honest, I don’t think those two links you left were for Transition.You’re also blind to the negativity of others. I did not strike up a conversation with Trans. He began to troll me, which he does every single time. As for vitriol, I made what would be reasonably considered a fair assessment of your comments to Monster. You cannot justify your opposition to lockdowns and COVID mandates when you’ve supported Duarte’s summary executions and hardcore protectionism. It then just becomes a case of weighing the COVID mandates and laws you prefer against those that you don’t. There is no vitriol there—just an example of highlighting inconsistencies.
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You took sides over an issue that had zero to do with you.
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I don’t know what you are referring to, but does this mean you expect friends to suppress their real opinions and you call this “honesty”?
I think you just provided a shit list that are not at all the heart of the original issue.
What is the original thing?
Seriously, what the FK is this all about?
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“Suppressing true opinions”? such as not participating in a non-topical argument that had nothing to do with you. This was the time you were carousing around like you owned the joint. But why focus on this? Why don’t you discuss the other matter dealing with your discussion with Monster? Why is it so vitriolic to raise glaring inconsistencies?
Why don’t you discuss the other matter dealing with your discussion with Monster?
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Because it’s just the latest in a long line of you attempting to draw me into a discussion with you so I’m forced to endure yet more personal abuse and accusations.
I’m not playing.
If you want to address whatever it was that set you off down this path, we can do that.
Seriously, I have no idea where this “you are dishonest” “I can’t trust you” stuff comes from.
Either raise the original issue or I think that’s goodnight.
I’m going to take a guess at it.
When I moved your comment you took it to mean I was against you.
You took it personally.
I was at that time struggling with what to do with comments. It wasn’t ideal and I upset many people. But at least I was trying to contribute to this blog.
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As for disagreeing politically, over the death penalty, etc, I will never, never, ever modify my true opinions as a sop to friendship.
Politics and friendship are separate.
I have reserved my strongest criticism to DB on the war.
I don’t notice him responding with accusations of dishonesty.
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Because it’s just the latest in a long line of you attempting to draw me into a discussion with you so I’m forced to endure yet more personal abuse and accusations.
I’m not playing.
If you want to address whatever it was that set you off down this path, we can do that.
Seriously, I have no idea where this “you are dishonest” “I can’t trust you” stuff comes from.
Either raise the original issue or I think that’s goodnight.
I don’t care if neither you nor anyone else responds to a comment. Similarly, if you leave a comment, anyone has the right to respond.
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Similarly, if you leave a comment, anyone has the right to respond.
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Correct.
And I expect you will continue to respond to my comments with abuse and accusations of dishonesty.
And I will continue to not respond when you act that way.
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I’m going to take a guess at it.
When I moved your comment you took it to mean I was against you.
You took it personally.
I was at that time struggling with what to do with comments. It wasn’t ideal and I upset many people. But at least I was trying to contribute to this blog.
You’ve brought this up a few times. I don’t know why because I had no idea you moved a comment until you told me. In fact, I didn’t even comment about this.
As for disagreeing politically, over the death penalty, etc, I will never, never, ever modify my true opinions as a sop to friendship.
Politics and friendship are separate.
I have reserved my strongest criticism to DB on the war.
I don’t notice him responding with accusations of dishonesty.
1. I’ve never once suggested you should change your views on any matter. I criticize them as they deserve lots of criticism but not once have I ever made such a suggestion. You’re yelling at windmills.
I didn’t say you were being dishonest on Monty issue. I said you were inconsistent.
I have reserved my strongest criticism to DB on the war.
Yes, you did, and you shall be proven wrong.
This conflict has nothing to do with the Chinese, and the outcome will neither hinder them nor encourage them.
You are reading it wrong, personal involvement never leads to a cold logical conclusion in politics or any affairs of men.
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Sorry, I didn’t mean to butt in, couldn’t help.
Apologies.
Well, I guess it will just have to remain a mystery as to why you have levelled these accusations against me.
I guess I’ll never know, and you’ll never know what my response to it would be.
But it sure would have been better if you had responded to the voicemail, we could have had this completely non illuminating conversation months ago.
Gabor says:
January 21, 2023 at 2:36 am
I have reserved my strongest criticism to DB on the war.
Yes, you did, and you shall be proven wrong.
This conflict has nothing to do with the Chinese, and the outcome will neither hinder them nor encourage them.
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I think the destruction of the Black Sea fleet will have caught their attention.
Whether it ultimately helps them or discourages them I’m not sure. I’m just being upfront that my immediate interest is with Taiwan, and I see the conflict through that lens.
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Sooner or later, the Chinese will do something about Taiwan militarily.
Why they would do that is a mystery to me when the Taiwanese gov was very approachable for cooperation, maybe not reunification, a few years ago.
Besides, Taiwan was never a long term province of China anyway.
Must be an ego trip
Same as the South Koreans toward the North, but the North scuttled that reaching out, both economic and political too.
Ideology rules!
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Gabor:
Sooner or later, the Chinese will do something about Taiwan militarily.
Why they would do that is a mystery to me when the Taiwanese gov was very approachable for cooperation, maybe not reunification, a few years ago.
Besides, Taiwan was never a long term province of China anyway.
Must be an ego trip
The Taiwanese government may have been approachable a few years ago, but then Hong Kong happened and they realised unification was just a bus stop on the road to the Camps for most of the Taiwanese population.
Had the CCP been more lenient in reducing Hong Kongs democratic traditions, Taiwan may have just fallen into its lap, but you cannot expect a Socialist government to act against its own ideological stance.
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Germany, “standing atop a billion-dollar mountain of masks” purchased by the panicked Merkel government in 2020, begins to “thermally reprocess” (i.e., incinerate) the rapidly expiring surplus Here.
The Preppers and Truthers have been busy overnight.
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And before everyone gets too soppy over JFK
Absolutely not.
He was a deeply flawed man. Before the Missile Crisis, my understanding is that he was viewed as a failure.
The idea that Oswald was the only shooter was silly and the hand waving away of evidence to the contrary is laughable. Back spasms as your brain tissue is destroyed. Made up by a trial lawyer. No doctor would agree to this crap.
Kennedy had so many enemies, Sam Giancana being the obvious one along with Castro.
“Oswald acted alone, for reasons unknown…” – simply absurd, like a blowjob from an intern “isn’t” “sexual relations” but that depends on what your definition of “is” is.
m0ntysays:
January 20, 2023 at 10:28 pm
I am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt MT, grab the floaties when offered.
LOL, m0nty=fa calls his man-boobs “floaties”.
m0ntysays:
January 20, 2023 at 11:21 pm
Healthy 18-40 year olds
… are not even a majority of the population. Try again.
But are they close to 30%? Try again.
duk put up an excellent and definitive analysis of the JFK shooting a few weeks ago.
I can’t believe it is still being argued on the Cat, is it like the endless Japan should not have been bombed and OMG I cant believe I got the needless needle so must defend my lemming like behaviour (unless it was needed to keep your job to feed your kids and pay the mortgage) re runs?
It is like being in the bar and the beers keep coming. Is it the comfort of familiar conversations or purely the desire to save face by holding a position?
It is ground hog day over and over.
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The fact that Dan Andrews increased his parliamentary majority should put paid to any assertions that he did the wrong or immoral thing. The voters of Victoria are not mugs, they know the score.
Knuckle Draggersays:
January 20, 2023 at 9:36 pm
‘He lives in Florida.’
On his ill-gotten earnings and new Greek philosopher-named scams, no doubt.
LOL. Another misinformed Plonker. So many here.
Welcome to the top of this page.
On the previous page we had:
* jab mandate shenanigans,
* more Armstrong deconstruction and defense
* Devil’s advocacy for the Aboriginal Voice to Parliament.
See my comment earlier about how the British Empire came about…
A brief sojourn to NZ, North Island over xmas new year was a pleasant little vacation.
Travelled ina camper van but stayed at large parks.
The scenery was worth the price. Nature is wonderful.
Some interesting things:
– dairy farms that bordered amazing beaches – mostly unheard here on the East Coast Aust.
– East Cape – only road to lighthouse now private so closed off to public – was a fun drive in a 7.4 m van along a dirt road beside a crashing wave – best sunrise views
– hot springs, mud pools, vents besides roads – just fun to be around
– price of dairy products extortionate – for that alone Kiwis should be rioting.
– so much untouched nature – very enjoyable after being in crowded cities etc.
– seeing sheep and cows in a park in middle of Auckland – trippy!
An example of usage is not an analogy.
We were talking mandates. I gave examples of mandates. Not situations analogous to mandates.
An analogy might be to compare the definition of mandates to something different but which the interlocutor (erroneously) thought was similar, something like, say, a Venn diagram.
That would be an analogy, but a bloody piss poor one.
Whether or not something is a mandate has nothing to do whether the mandate is enforced upon somethings which can be defined as a subset of some other things.
But then the purpose is to troll, not make an argument.
They’ve both moved up a couple of weight divisions since then.
We flew into Heathrow to spend a nite in Richmond with Hairy’s brother and family before driving up here to Lancaster and Silverdale, on Morecambe Bay, a place where we have lived for six months on two occasions since 2006. The drive up was great in a brand new hired deep irredescent Royal blue Audi A5, which has power, but also the disadvantage of being very low set, and thus easy to bonk one’s head on bending down low into its sports design getting in and out of it. Worse than the igloo, I say to Hairy, more wary than I was about this one. Today we move onto a Countrty House hotel in Scotland so I can see some more reindeer, this time headless, as antlers only, stuck on Baronial hallways.
Heathrow was a nightmare, not for us with British passports, but for those from elsewhere, non EU, who faced an up to two-hour wait, a huge crowd of mainly ‘people of colour’: subcontinentals, middle eastern, South American and Asians awaiting entry from flights. A no-nonsense fellow travellor Brit at luggage collection, when I opined that was cruel to make travel-tired families with kids also wait, said this was a major trick place for illegal entry, so all visas had to be thoroughly checked. Hairy noted they don’t seem to do that for beached boat arrivals along the eastern seabord, and hearing the Aussie accent, said that he was all admiration for the way Australia had solved that problem.
So monty has moved from denying that there was a mandate to saying that they were now only industry-specific, and he has the chutzpah to accuse the other person of engaging in fallacious argument.
George Christensen
Does the World Economic Forum promote paedophilia?
wank
Nice piece from the Speccie Online you put up about the sad case known as Prince Harry, Tinta.
I’ve just finished Tina Brown’s The Palace Papers, which is very good on how the Palace plays the media and also on how the deceitful and ruthlessly ambitious Ms. Markle, in the 35th year of her age, biological clock getting louder, very deliberately baited a hook for poor Harry when an opportunity arose during her already declared search for a ‘boyfriend’ triumph to cap her celeb ambitions.
Donbass Devushka
@PeImeniPusha
Ukraine, not having control over Hungary, does what it does best and starts harassing the ethnic Magyars with its borders. This is how Ukraine operates. You think Donbass was an isolated incident?
I was introduced to a “South African Bush Breakfast” a few years ago. Steak, sausages, eggs, bacon and toast. Set you up very well for the day.
examples of mandatory, I should have said.
Lol. Disagreeing with the idiot is to troll now.
1. Heavy duty protectionism.
2. Summary executions
all good.
Covid mandates? How dare they!
We arrived at Terminal 3 on Finair, not terminal five, where the wait is always reasonable. They direct flights full of people with ‘alien’ passports to terminal 3 now, although not flights from Australia and Canada, which go to five. That crowd of third world hopefuls was a shocking sight,coralled away watching others, mainly white, sail on through. I felt terrible.
I am trying to talk logic with you, Arky. It appears I am falling on deaf ears. Oh well.
he’ll be back full of bean any minute now, he’s checking out smutley’s prostrate masseuse
Ivan Provorov’s jersey is now completely sold out on NHL Shop and Fanatics with the exception of extra smalls.
Nothing sexier when a girlfriend starts wearing your teams jersey or t-shirts.
Dot:
Correct.
And NONE of them have been repealed.
m0ntysays:
January 20, 2023 at 9:11 pm
A vaccine can be mandated even if a person may avoid the mandate by taking the penalty of resigning from their job.
That IS the mandate. That IS the circumstance being mandated.
I had to draw a Venn diagram to show you that the mandate was industry-specific. You have ignored this diagram because it shows you my point, which you wish to reject because it invalidates your argument.
No, we are too busy laughing at that pathetic excuse for a Venn diagram.
db, in October 2021 in Victoria (to use as a baseline), around 90% of people had had one jab and 70% two jabs. 10% is still a lot of people, not to mention 30% if you think two are what is really needed (as many did).
You may think “okay that’s enough, let ‘er rip” but that is not a decision made by a responsible leader. You don’t just throw 10-30% of the population to the wolves like that. You have the luxury of being irresponsible and uncaring. A leader does not, if they want to be re-elected in a democracy.
The fact that Dan Andrews increased his parliamentary majority should put paid to any assertions that he did the wrong or immoral thing. The voters of Victoria are not mugs, they know the score.
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We can’t get to anything as high end as logic when you can’t accept basic definitions.
You’re taking the piss.
it’s all rather python-esque … is a simile
when is a duck, not a duck? … may prompt you towards metaphor
you mongs are more ridiculous than The Life of Brian … now that, is an analogy
No.
This is logic.
Apparently.
First look – ChatGPT + WolframAlpha (GPT-3.5 and Wolfram|Alpha via LangChain by James Weaver)
MT, here’s the difference.
You are a clown. (metaphor)
You are as ridiculous as a clown. (simile)
Your seriousness is about the same level as a clown riding a unicycle juggling hamsters. (analogy)
before he was briefed by Mark ‘Deep Throat’ Felt
Roger Stone has maintained his long held view that John Dean was Deep Throat.
And that Dean was the architect of the Watergate break-in because he’d been fed a story that evidence of his girlfriend being a hooker was there.
He was on Malice the other day telling the story again.
Reposting.
You can’t even get your argument straight.
You should be able to do this before engaging.
watching the Australia Open and all the Russians have no flags
well, they’re white flags
such powerful messaging
… was mUnty a consultant here?
I’ve had all 3 major strains including the original alpha and I am still alive. which f*ing wolves are you talking about???? the only ppl that needed protecting were the 70+ demographic. they knew it didnt prevent spread and didn’t prevent infection. they lied and lied and lied
wrong.
it’s a fact
mUnty, you simpleton.
all three are proximately the same
you are playing word games trying not to look like an idiot
and failing
… also a fact
the vaxed have unwittingly become a massive incubator for new variants that are training to evade immunity.
well done, brilliant, a stroke of genius to attempt to vaccinate your way out of a pandemic with a vaccine that didn’t sterilise.
And before everyone gets too soppy over JFK, keep in mind that Kennedy was balls deep in the South Vietnam…hmmm…change of management.
The Kennedy presidential library has been letting selected “historians” listen to the Kennedy Whitehouse tapes.
He was so cavalier about the way SV should be run/managed.
Every so often a heart broken JFK luvie turns up at the Hoover Institute attempting to thread the needle on why JFK was so great & why we should disregard what he on tape saying about South Vietnam.
Some thoughts on the Davros Dingbats (Currently engaged in their annual Hoedown), as convened (again) by their founder, Standartenführer Schwab.
They are out there and in our faces. The WEF (i.e. its convenors and its aims) is not some bizarre conspiracy hypothesis speculated wildly about by tin foil hatted marginalised odd bods, existing as the latter might be, off grid in the middle of nowhere while furiously scribbling equally incoherent manifestos of their own.
The WEF consider themselves to be the new nomenklatura.
They will harness any and all kinds of bizarre blanket (i.e. totalitarian) solutions to the many, many non existent problems they perceive to be “troubling” humanity – which of course, only they are capable of solving, complemented by their ability to unfailingly predict the future.
They love simple short slogans, such as:
You will own nothing
You will exist in a pod
You will eat the bugs
You will be happy …
They are purveying a future for humanity that would be infinitely worse than CCP style communism, a monstrous high tech form of feudalism that would make “1984” look like a libertarian seasteading free love sex colony as imagined/envisioned by Pol Dot, Aldous Huxley, Timothy Leary and the Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh.
Their immediate targets:
Cars
Meat
Electrickery
Private property
Privacy
Free speech
Free Thought
Free will
This is not a world (if it could be dignified with such a term) I want to exist in, Cats.
We must resist it with every fibre of our beings.
I am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt MT, grab the floaties when offered.
Cats, it’s almost enough to make me accept that mighty tempting offer of “Guest Perfesser in Residency” at the Henry Kissinger Peace Academy … 😕
Indeed.
I think it is marvellous of the host of a libertarian site to let all the vaxxies air their biovation as if they really believed in freedom.
Hypocrites with hides like hippos.
Feel free to try and prove me wrong.
I always like a good laugh.
What’s been written in the past twenty years, with access to the North Vietnamese archives, shows that Ngo Dinh Diem came far closer to crushing the Viet Cong then he was ever given credit for. Granted, his methods were pretty ruthless, but the North Vietnamese couldn’t believe their luck at the “change of management.”
The Gucci bag reference is …
mUttley showing his lack of imagination (again) …
oh, you sound so principled
do you allow randoms unfettered private access to your own kiddies, mUnty?
or do your idiot ethics have real-world bounds?
you shit-talker
I am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt MT, grab the floaties when offered.
The only floaties you’ve got dickless are on your fat arse.
Healthy 18-40 year olds had nothing to worry about from COVID; we are talking about hospitalisation rate being a fraction of 1%. Talking about people being thrown to the wolves is hysterical nonsense.
I’m still disappointed that Putin didn’t lob a Nuke into Davos.
another clue mUnty
people like me won’t play your semantic games
but in the real world, you already know that
mind how you go
smile and shut up next time you’re invited to the kiddies birthday party in the park
… like you always do
The beauty of a sunset over the Noosa river is inexpressible. The colours changing from vivid to a limpid milky softness, helped by a brief rain squall.
From my perch six floors up I spied a gondola and a wooden speedboat in quick succession – Venice in Oz. And people caught on the sand bar as the tide advanced racing to various boats and kayaks drawn up on the ever shrinking margins. Soon blackness, punctuated by the lights of a vessel navigating the channel, nothing more.
I was here in ‘71. Nothing but a few shacks. Tomorrow I will go to Hastings Street. I have been warned – it is a zoo. All those years ago it was a village with a few shops and a pub.
Casting my mind back then, I remember seeing some of the stupidest stuff. People walking along the beach on their own, masked, on a cool, sunny day. Seeing a cyclist in his 60s or 70s, masked, while riding on the shoulder of the road. Both on the southern end of the bay. But, yes, as monty said, ‘they knew the score’.
Rabz,
This Slovakian lady.
Is she hot?
Asking for a friend..
ha ha
the Russian finished the Seppo
omg, and the white flag didn’t even make him surrender
the whole world should posture harder
clearly unacceptable mUnty … what should they do next?
Tee hee. Daleks the lot of them.
Very. Spent most of Thursday chatting to her about various matters (apart from the WEF).
She’s 38 and looks about 28. Her English is impeccable with just the slightest accent (as opposed to my Slovakian, which is non existent). A classic quote:
“I never watch or listen to the news – it’s too depressing”
Dunno, maybe cut his tits off? What’s your think here, Trans?
… are not even a majority of the population. Try again.
oh no
sorry punters
mUnty must have escalated the situation and gone higher up.
… now we have to deal with the Shit-Talker-In-Chief
you’re another one JC
you’re so nice and simpering in real-life
mind how you go
you shit-talker
I’m very nice to people who are nice, dickface. That changes when they’re not nice to me, you “simpering” drunk. I also don’t like blowhards. Here’s one example:
What’s your thinking here, Trans? Blowhard much?
The Australian sun isn’t too kind to the ladies (or the blokes for that matter). Takes a bit of adjustment in the UK and Europe. Particularly when you had 3 generations out clubbing in Manchester. 10 pints of Guinness still couldn’t help deal with that.
I didn’t imply they were a majority of the population. They were mentioned because they were the majority of the pool of 18 year olds and above not yet double vaxxed, and importantly, they had nothing to worry about from COVID. So, again, the idea they would be left to the wolves without the vax mandate is hysterical nonsense.
hope to meet you again in real life soon JC
I’d really like to shake your hand
Dover
I’m just thinking out loud here. This was the point I was trying to get to earlier. How do you think things would have worked out without a state mandate? I don’t know the answer other than having another government intervention in the workplace. The state could have instituted a regulation preventing employees from taking action over COVID. However, this would be as unrealistic as a fat boy suddenly becoming thin.
What do you think would have occurred in Australia without mandates? I’ll tell you what I think. There would have been a complete shitshow of lawsuits against employers on both sides. Let’s say a firm took the view that all employees needed to be vaccinated. Those that weren’t would have sued because their human rights were violated. Those who did not demand vaccination would have been in big trouble if they were caught blaming it on an unsafe workplace.This is Australia this century, as little makes sense. In this case, either way, employers would have their rear ends handed to them. The only way things would work is if employees are employees at will.
The god oracle making threats, hey. Piss off you useless drunkard.
Whoops, should read.
Those who did not demand vaccination would have been in big trouble if someone caught covid blaming it on an unsafe workplace.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsM_VmN6ytk
Here’s Thought Leader making threats too. Wow.
This is the individual who goes to a the Good Doc’s home, eats his meals, drink his drink , asks to make videos, takes his entire family to his the docs home and then indirectly refers to the good Doc as a “idiot libertarian”. The Good Doc ran for the LDP as the Thought leader is aware. FMD. Class. 100 % class.
Perhaps in a court house over various stalking incidents.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiayZdPESno
https://www.webmd.com/anxiety-panic/guide/medications-treat-mental-disorders
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I’m actually going to reply to you this once.
Nothing I post is directed at you.
I don’t read your comments generally. The ones directed at me are too full of vitriol to tolerate. I don’t want that stuff in my head.
I have NO ill will towards you despite your best efforts to make it so.
I think fondly of the great conversations we used to have and sad that you have gone this way.
I genuinely wish you all the best and every success. Always. Yes, MTs post made me think of that old song.
Not directed at you.
Nothing I write here or anywhere is at all ever, about you.
Please leave me out of it. I am not interested.
I don’t believe anything you say because you’re an untrustworthy individual. The Doc one being one example of what an untrustworthy person you are. Many times you’ve posted comments to me or about me (indirectly). You have stalked me in the ways we both know, with the example of the voice mail incident being one.
I have no idea why you dislike and distrust me.
I don’t know what you are on about.
I think you worked yourself up into a fear over something I have no idea about early on, and it’s spiralled from there.
I have no inside information about you that I could imagine anyone else would find interesting or negative.
I think the most negative things about you are on display in your comments to people here.
I have repeatedly stood up for you. As late as last year suggesting that a mutual friend seek out your advice.
If you have something against me you should man up and broach the actual original thing.
I don’t hold grudges, it this over a year long and personal attack has sure strained that philosophy.
It’s not just Rugby League with behavioural problems:
1. Rugby union star Kurtley Beale has been charged over an alleged sexual assault of a woman in a toilet in Sydney’s eastern suburbs last year. Refused bail.
2. Australian Olympian Peter Bol has been provisionally suspended after failing an out-of-competition drug test. Bol, who finished fourth in the 800 metres at the Tokyo Olympics, returned a positive result for the banned substance EPO.
Innocent until proven guilty in both cases.
Oh, for lord’s sake! You posted comments of a private nature about me that could only have been gleaned in a private setting. You did it on two different occasions! You took sides over an issue that had zero to do with you. Even though you deny it, you’re continually making indirect comments directed against mine. You laughed when I blocked your number by leaving a voicemail. It’s not the first time you’ve menaced others with threats. To be honest, I don’t think those two links you left were for Transition.You’re also blind to the negativity of others. I did not strike up a conversation with Trans. He began to troll me, which he does every single time. As for vitriol, I made what would be reasonably considered a fair assessment of your comments to Monster. You cannot justify your opposition to lockdowns and COVID mandates when you’ve supported Duarte’s summary executions and hardcore protectionism. It then just becomes a case of weighing the COVID mandates and laws you prefer against those that you don’t. There is no vitriol there—just an example of highlighting inconsistencies.
I don’t know what you are referring to, but does this mean you expect friends to suppress their real opinions and you call this “honesty”?
I think you just provided a shit list that are not at all the heart of the original issue.
What is the original thing?
Seriously, what the FK is this all about?
“Suppressing true opinions”? such as not participating in a non-topical argument that had nothing to do with you. This was the time you were carousing around like you owned the joint. But why focus on this? Why don’t you discuss the other matter dealing with your discussion with Monster? Why is it so vitriolic to raise glaring inconsistencies?
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Because it’s just the latest in a long line of you attempting to draw me into a discussion with you so I’m forced to endure yet more personal abuse and accusations.
I’m not playing.
If you want to address whatever it was that set you off down this path, we can do that.
Seriously, I have no idea where this “you are dishonest” “I can’t trust you” stuff comes from.
Either raise the original issue or I think that’s goodnight.
I’m going to take a guess at it.
When I moved your comment you took it to mean I was against you.
You took it personally.
I was at that time struggling with what to do with comments. It wasn’t ideal and I upset many people. But at least I was trying to contribute to this blog.
As for disagreeing politically, over the death penalty, etc, I will never, never, ever modify my true opinions as a sop to friendship.
Politics and friendship are separate.
I have reserved my strongest criticism to DB on the war.
I don’t notice him responding with accusations of dishonesty.
I don’t care if neither you nor anyone else responds to a comment. Similarly, if you leave a comment, anyone has the right to respond.
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Correct.
And I expect you will continue to respond to my comments with abuse and accusations of dishonesty.
And I will continue to not respond when you act that way.
You’ve brought this up a few times. I don’t know why because I had no idea you moved a comment until you told me. In fact, I didn’t even comment about this.
1. I’ve never once suggested you should change your views on any matter. I criticize them as they deserve lots of criticism but not once have I ever made such a suggestion. You’re yelling at windmills.
I didn’t say you were being dishonest on Monty issue. I said you were inconsistent.
Yes, you did, and you shall be proven wrong.
This conflict has nothing to do with the Chinese, and the outcome will neither hinder them nor encourage them.
You are reading it wrong, personal involvement never leads to a cold logical conclusion in politics or any affairs of men.
Sorry, I didn’t mean to butt in, couldn’t help.
Apologies.
Well, I guess it will just have to remain a mystery as to why you have levelled these accusations against me.
I guess I’ll never know, and you’ll never know what my response to it would be.
But it sure would have been better if you had responded to the voicemail, we could have had this completely non illuminating conversation months ago.
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I think the destruction of the Black Sea fleet will have caught their attention.
Whether it ultimately helps them or discourages them I’m not sure. I’m just being upfront that my immediate interest is with Taiwan, and I see the conflict through that lens.
Sooner or later, the Chinese will do something about Taiwan militarily.
Why they would do that is a mystery to me when the Taiwanese gov was very approachable for cooperation, maybe not reunification, a few years ago.
Besides, Taiwan was never a long term province of China anyway.
Must be an ego trip
Same as the South Koreans toward the North, but the North scuttled that reaching out, both economic and political too.
Ideology rules!
Gabor:
The Taiwanese government may have been approachable a few years ago, but then Hong Kong happened and they realised unification was just a bus stop on the road to the Camps for most of the Taiwanese population.
Had the CCP been more lenient in reducing Hong Kongs democratic traditions, Taiwan may have just fallen into its lap, but you cannot expect a Socialist government to act against its own ideological stance.
Germany, “standing atop a billion-dollar mountain of masks” purchased by the panicked Merkel government in 2020, begins to “thermally reprocess” (i.e., incinerate) the rapidly expiring surplus
Here.
fine … I wont shake your hand then
get some help you infantile tosser
https://kidshelpline.com.au/
The Preppers and Truthers have been busy overnight.
Absolutely not.
He was a deeply flawed man. Before the Missile Crisis, my understanding is that he was viewed as a failure.
The idea that Oswald was the only shooter was silly and the hand waving away of evidence to the contrary is laughable. Back spasms as your brain tissue is destroyed. Made up by a trial lawyer. No doctor would agree to this crap.
Kennedy had so many enemies, Sam Giancana being the obvious one along with Castro.
“Oswald acted alone, for reasons unknown…” – simply absurd, like a blowjob from an intern “isn’t” “sexual relations” but that depends on what your definition of “is” is.
m0ntysays:
January 20, 2023 at 10:28 pm
I am trying to give you the benefit of the doubt MT, grab the floaties when offered.
LOL, m0nty=fa calls his man-boobs “floaties”.
m0ntysays:
January 20, 2023 at 11:21 pm
Healthy 18-40 year olds
… are not even a majority of the population. Try again.
But are they close to 30%? Try again.
duk put up an excellent and definitive analysis of the JFK shooting a few weeks ago.
I can’t believe it is still being argued on the Cat, is it like the endless Japan should not have been bombed and OMG I cant believe I got the needless needle so must defend my lemming like behaviour (unless it was needed to keep your job to feed your kids and pay the mortgage) re runs?
It is like being in the bar and the beers keep coming. Is it the comfort of familiar conversations or purely the desire to save face by holding a position?
It is ground hog day over and over.
https://youtu.be/KHJbSvidohg