So, looks like I’ll be seig-heiling with a Black Power glove on next demo
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ABC Investigations understands that a dedicated OSI team made up of homicide detectives and an intelligence officer examined the killing for more than two years.
I still contend if it takes that long to charge someone for a murder after they’ve been accused then you’re already pushing shit uphill.
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Rape was a capital crime in NSW until 1955.
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I think “losing Womens Spaces” is a red herring here.
What we should be fighting to remain in control of, is the right of the parent, or common man in the street for that matter, to say “put some clothes on and get out of my children’s school, sports team, main street…” ie to get flaaaming perversity out of public life.
We might get reasonably secure changerooms and toilets, but Pride round, Pride month, Pride march, Pride workshops, Rainbow schoolrooms, not to mention surgically and pseudo-hormonally deranged she-males rampaging through women’s sports… they can, and will, still trample the wreckage of what was once a perfectly sensible civilization.
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Barry at ALP camps it was sport.
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Gray Connolly
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Judging by the discourse – if you are ever so slightly sceptical of the wisdom of this, you are a Nazi, apparently
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I was speaking to dad about this this morning. He asked what that was all about in the city. I told him women protesting double mastectomies for teenage girls or single sex toilets is akin to Nazism now according to the political class. He gave me the most dumbfounded look I’ve seen, esp. re the former. Couldn’t believe it.
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Proud of being Freaks. So mentally deranged they think everyone has to be like them.
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Looks like we’ve had an upgrade.
Page turns seamlessly and no more hanging of comments.
Thanks Dover.
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Telling that the fat man has gone quiet on the Nazi story already.
They just held a presser. Same car, same people. Knocked back at the first, glass the staff. Knocked back at the second, kill the staff. All done according to 60,000 years of culture.
Three in the bin, one hit with a moida beef.
Told youse.
Dick Ed fails again.
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Quiet Part, Out Loud – Polish Ambassador Warns If Ukraine Not Successful NATO Will Join War Against Russia
I thought the Poles were the smarter ones in that part of the world?
Obviously not.
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On Galadriel as a “Mary” character, I would have picked Mélian from the Silmarillian as a bit closer. Galadriel left Valinor under a cloud, with all the other exiles – they were expressly forbidden to go, but go they did. She saw the wide lands of Middle Earth as an opportunity to rule a kingdom.
The “long defeat” she talks about fighting was not just against Morgoth and his lieutenant Sauron, but was a result of the curse of the Noldor. At the time of LotR, she was the oldest elf on Middle Earth, having existed from before the rising of Sun or Moon. Incidentally, she was also Elrond’s mother in law. 😀
Another fun bit of elvish trivia…Galadriel has no strand of the divine in her lineage, but Elrond, Arwen and Aragorn do, being descendants of Melian.
Diogenessays:
March 20, 2023 at 1:44 pm
How do you go about banning a “salute” ? ..
Do a first instead of a flat hand and it is no longer the Nazis salute, but rather the communist/anarchist one.
And scratch your upper lip at the same time?
Rape was a capital crime in NSW until 1955.
A relic from the days of patriarchy when we are assured women we oppressed and treated as worthless.
I suppose the argument that the left would urgently cobble together against the above is that women were someone’s property so the crime was not against the woman but some male ‘owner’, although why would you execute a man for something worth less than a man, who was not only still alive but also still available for the carnal appetites of men?
Personally I would say that it was an enduring dedication to notions of chivalry. In days past there was a reverence for women. It was the height of honour to charge into certain death to save a woman.
But, in 1955, the government voted to make rape no longer a capital case. They had to articulate their case against it. This would have been around the beginning of the Women’s movement I would think. Was that part of it? Pulling women down to the mundanity of mere biology without the special status accorded by centuries of gallant refinement.
Women insisted on being equal to men in the most unedifying ways they could – they could knock back grog like a bloke (they couldn’t really), could swear like them, and shagged promiscuously. Nothing to revere there. And, at the same time, guys stopped making the effort too. Once they would start saving for a family as soon as they got paid, they would make the effort to restrain their coarser habits in a woman’s presence, they would even make a point of dressing ‘up’ if going out in public.
But I hear there is a bit of a ‘traditional wife’ movement going about. I wonder if this might reverse the trend. I think guys would actually enjoy treating their wives (or at least women) as something precious and just need to know how, and to feel they are allowed.
(Funny thing is that I expect feminists again believe that rape should be given the most extreme punishment on the books.)
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The proposal is to ban the Nazi salute, yet burning the Australian flag is all good?
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On the LOTRs, I also thought the “men of the East” was a reference to Islam who are out to destroy the “men of the West?”
I never read it anywhere, I just presumed…
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But, in 1955, the government voted to make rape no longer a capital case. They had to articulate their case against it. This would have been around the beginning of the Women’s movement I would think. Was that part of it? Pulling women down to the mundanity of mere biology without the special status accorded by centuries of gallant refinement.
Capital Punishment for Rape in NSW was abolished in 1910, Sir Galahad.
1840 in the U.K.
By the same token you can have 100 marbles, some of which are red, others blue, green, or yellow.
You separate them out into red, and non-red.
Then you insist that all the non-red (blue, green, and yellow) are the same colour.
Us v Them.
Timeless; a convenient and flexible tactic.
In the current climate of ‘othering’ as retail politics, broadscale outright lies and deception by people in positions of trust, and ‘banal pabulum’ (using the 17th c meaning of pabulum) in the public square, it works particularly well.
The only slight problem is that complex reality bites back.
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The Nazi salute has been banned in Qld since 1938.
The only exception is Police directing Traffic [to stop].
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Franksays:
March 20, 2023 at 2:58 pm
Telling that the fat man has gone quiet on the Nazi story already.
Goering comments here? Oh, sorry, do you mean the fat fascist fool m0nty=fa?
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The only exception is Police directing Traffic [to stop].
With special traffic paddles.
And crikkit umpires, when they have occasion to signal byes.
Amiright Ed?
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And schoolkids volunteering to answer questions in classrooms.
The future of aviation is hypersonic. The U.S. Air Force is hard at work on a next-gen hypersonic bomber, and even commercial aviation is looking for ways to push planes into Mach 5 and beyond. But the most pressing issue is to counter the world’s growing (and terrifying) chorus of hypersonic weapons.
Luckily, the Air Force just wrapped up a stunning final test of scramjet-powered Hypersonic Airbreathing Weapon Concept (HAWC) missile, a program it calls the most successful of its kind in U.S. history.
On Monday, the Air Force and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) announced that the weapon system successfully achieved Mach 5 flight and traveled 300 nautical miles at 60,000 feet. That’s an impressive feat, though the results don’t state exactly how long the missile achieved those hypersonic speeds.
In other news, monthly production from the Irkutsk No. 7 Tractor Factory increased by 792%…
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Lysandersays:
March 20, 2023 at 3:26 pm
On the LOTRs, I also thought the “men of the East” was a reference to Islam who are out to destroy the “men of the West?”
I never read it anywhere, I just presumed…
Peter Jackson had them arriving in ships rigged with lateen sails, the same as in Arab dhows.
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Yeah, if they make the nazi salute a criminal offence,
The Men of the West are the descendants of the Nümenorians, the Land of the Star given to them after the defeat of Morgoth.
The Men of the East are the ones left behind in Middle Earth. Some fell into degradation and evil (as Sauron still endured and grew again in power), others simply became rusticated (like the Men of Rohan).
During the War of the Ring, the Easterlings differentiated themselves by siding with Sauron, as did the folk displaced by the Men of Rohan who sided with Saruman.
In the south, the Men of Harad became allies of Sauron. Long before, he had mastered them from his base in Numenor by using Numerorean men he had drawn to himself and corrupted. This also included the Numenorean king, a distant relative of Elrond.
It’s complicated, and that’s how Tolkien liked it. He was having some fun with his sub-creation after all.
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is looking for ways to push planes into Mach 5
Whew! 6,000kmph!!!
When can I get me one and when will these speeds be applied to commercial airliners 😛
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Calli have you read the Simarillion all the way through? I got a 1/4 of the way through it, found it challenging, IIRC tried to power through the next 1/12th and gave up at about 1/3.
Wiki:
Roderick Spode, 7th Earl of Sidcup, often known as Spode or Lord Sidcup, is a recurring fictional character in the Jeeves novels of English comic writer P. G. Wodehouse. In the first novel in which he appears, he is an “amateur dictator” and the leader of a fictional fascist group in London called the Saviours of Britain, also known as the Black Shorts.
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Richard Cranium
Capital Punishment for Rape in NSW was abolished in 1910, Sir Galahad.
1840 in the U.K.
Citations needed.
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Hunter Biden Countersues Laptop Repair Shop Owner
“Computer repair shop owner John Paul Mac Isaac was in the wrong place at the wrong time. He found the horrendous, unspeakable content on Hunter Biden’s laptop from hell. John Paul thought he did the right thing by contacting the authorities, but they were in the Biden crime family’s pocket. The FBI stormed his shop and locked away the laptop. No one was permitted to say that the laptop even existed. Now, Hunter Biden is filing legal charges against the computer shop owner for violating his privacy. America is not a democracy; Joe Biden is a tyrant who is above the law.
The nerve these people have where they believe they have the “privacy” to conceal CP and treasonous secrets against the US. The contents of the computer were discovered on June/July 2019, before his dad could be installed as president. Intelligence agencies threatened media platforms such as Facebook and warned them against uncovering the story. Zuckerburg even admitted to censoring any story involving the laptop during Joe Biden’s presidential run. Everyone knows the truth behind the curtain but the public was brainwashed into believing it was all a big lie.
Hunter Biden finally admitted that the laptop was his in February 2023. Actually, he alluded that the laptop could be his in a statement written by his lawyers. So for three years, CNN, NYT, Washington Post, MSNBC, and nearly every media outlet denied that the laptop existed. Believe it or not, they actually tried to blame RUSSIA for Hunter Biden’s depraved recorded behavior.
The shop owner really is innocent in all of this mess, and it shows how the Bidens truly do not care about the average person. The owner looked at the contents of the computer because the laptop owner, who admittedly was using crack cocaine and other illegal drugs at the time, failed to pick it up within 90 days and could not be reached. I can assure you that the contents of that computer would send anyone to jail for a very long time. His father, the sitting US president, would also be sent to jail if this were a just system. Around 67% of the American people wanted Joe Biden impeached over the contents of the laptop before Hunter’s team even admitted it was real. Show the public the truth of Joe Biden’s treasonous involvement before the next election — the people have a right to know who they are voting for.”
Chamery – 4 August 1859 – Indigenous. Hanged at Brisbane for the rape of Mary Treatroff at Dugandan.
Dick – 4 August 1859 – Indigenous. Hanged at Brisbane for the rape of Mary Treatroff at Dugandan.
1860s
Georgie – 12 Dec 1861 – Indigenous. Hanged at Brisbane for the rape of Bridget Ryan at Little Ipswich.
Billy – 7 December 1868 – Indigenous. Hanged at Brisbane for the rape of Mary Thompson at Tivoli
Jacob – 17 May 1869 – Indigenous. Hanged at Brisbane for the rape of Jane Knott and Amelia Reichmann at Ideraway.
Jacky Whitton – 7 March 1870 – Indigenous. Hanged at Toowoomba for the rape of thirteen-year-old Henrietta Reiss at Bodumba station near Warwick.
George – 15 May 1871 – Indigenous. Hanged at Rockhampton for the rape of Ellen Manning at Gracemere.
Dugald – 28 May 1872 – Indigenous. Hanged at Brisbane for the rape of twelve-year-old Catherine Hutchinson south of Gympie.
Alick (alias Johnny) – 29 December 1874 – Pacific Islander. Hanged at Brisbane for the rape of eleven-year-old Gertrude Brauer at Doughboy Creek.
Johnny Clayson – 14 April 1875 – Indigenous. Hanged at Rockhampton for the rape of Johanna Kopp at Palmerville.
George – 18 May 1877 – Pacific Islander. Hanged at Maryborough Gaol for the rape of Mrs McBride.
Tommy Ah Mow – 18 May 1877 – Pacific Islander. Hanged at Maryborough for the rape of Mrs. McBride.
1880s
Kagariu (Johnny Campbell) – 16 August 1880 – Indigenous. Bushranger. Hanged at Brisbane for the rape of Jane MacAlister at Kipper Creek, Northbrook
George Byrne – 22 May 1882 – Hanged at Brisbane for the rape of Susan Isaacs in Elizabeth Street, Brisbane
George – 15 October 1883 – Indigenous. Hanged at Boggo Road Gaol for the rape of thirteen-year-old Johanna Anderson at Gracemere
1890s
Donald – 25 April 1892 – Indigenous. Hanged at Boggo Road Gaol for the rape of Eva Scott at Hornet Bank Station near Taroom
Brisbane[31]
1900s to 1910s
William Broome – 11 June 1900 – Indigenous. Hanged at Boggo Road Gaol for the murder of Mary Le Blowitz near Bundaberg
Twadiga – 14 May 1906 – From Gawa Island (now in Papua New Guinea). Hanged at Boggo Road Gaol for the murder of five-year-old William Baulch, at Homebush, near Mackay
Bismarck – 19 April 1909 – Indigenous. Hanged at Boggo Road Gaol for the murder of Janet Evitts at Jundah
George David Silva – 10 June 1912 – Hanged at Boggo Road Gaol for the murder of seventeen-year-old Maud Ching at Alligator Creek, near Hay Point. On the same occasion he also murdered Maud’s younger siblings Teddy, Dolly, Hugh and Winnie, and their mother Agnes
Queensland.
Oh look who joins the bandwagon, the man who, as a 21 year old, wore a Nazi uniform to a party…
“NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet has flagged he is open to banning the Nazi salute in line with his Victorian counterparts.
The Victorian government signalled it would move to outlaw the gesture after neo-Nazis protested in front of the state’s parliament.
Referring to legislation introduced by his government banning Nazi symbols, Mr Perrottet said he would support broadening the ban.
“Yes, open to it obviously,” he said.
“We banned symbols in NSW and led the way on that reform and ultimately there’s no place for that in society.””
You couldn’t make this shit up.
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Tell me Russia is stable and Putin is secure?
There are four armies in Russia, one more than when Henry VII and Richard III fought at Bosworth (Lancastrians, Yorkists and Stanleys).
Russian military
Wagner PMC
Gazprom PMC
Russian Orthodox Church PMC (St Andrew’s Cross PMC)
“We banned symbols in NSW and led the way on that reform and ultimately there’s no place for that in society.””
No champ, free speech is sacred, enjoy your retirement.
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What else is Parrothead supposed to do since a dopey Liberal Party token woman got sprung yukking it up with Grampians Blackshirts in Melbourne yesterday?
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No champ, free speech is sacred, enjoy your retirement.
Is that right, champ?
You haven’t been particularly accepting of my Sacred Right to Free Speech over the years?
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Oho!
The Double Champ!
Hooooboy!
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You haven’t been particularly accepting of my
Sacred Right to Free Speech over the years?
Get your own platform you lawfare sharting scumbag, please don’t ruin the good Mr Dover’s with your defamatory nonsense and literary diarrhea.
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One book I am currently struggling through is The Brothers Karamazov… it’s hard going and the father is a bloody idiot. I’d kill him lol!
And on other books, I found Tiger Tiger Tiger really disappointing. A lot of spelling mistakes, errors and sentences that didn’t make sense about his experience as a copper and only half a “chapter” dedicated to the siege…
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Time for the sword hand almost in in the chest. Listen, champ…
The Victorian Government will reportedly use the protest to pass laws banning the Nazi salute.
This is primarily about stopping people taking the piss out of our fascist government leaders.
Remember when people at the Freedom Protests were taking the piss out of Dickhead Dan by giving him Nazi salutes, and then the press claimed that there were actual Nazi’s at the protest.
It’s hard to imagine how Australia could get any more rooted.
Texas mom Laura Maria Gruber always considered herself a “woke” liberal in favor of progressive causes, even sending her young daughter to a charter school that celebrates “diversity, equity and inclusion,” according to the school’s web site.
But she never thought her 13-year-old would be asked to play a “seducing hooker” in a bizarre classroom game.
“I picked my daughter and her best friend up from school and my daughter said ‘We played this game at school, Mom, and you’re going to be upset,'” Gruber told The Post Saturday from her home in San Antonio.
“When she told me about kids getting up in class and posing as hookers, I almost crashed the car.”
The September incident was so disturbing, Gruber said, she pulled her daughter from the school and demanded an apology from administrators.
Gruber, 45, a Latina from Puerto Rico, found out the game was called “Bear-Hooker-Hunter” and went online, discovering it is an adult drinking game version of rock-paper-scissors.
At least we know Hans Gruber DID get away with it and has some whipsmart kiddos out there. I hope they use their powers for good.
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This is primarily about stopping people taking the piss out of our fascist government leaders.
Don’t be dumb, be a smawrty, come and join the red shirt pawrty!
He’s the arts grad who wants to change history!
Look out, here comes the dear leader!
Heil me! (Giggles).
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Dot, I have read it many times. For me it has all the satisfying qualities of “history” and myth and it all hangs together cohesively. I was lucky enough to bag a first edition when it was published.
I also enjoy the way Tolkien, true to his philology discipline, created marvellous languages and not just the language itself but its history down to archaic forms and alphabets. I suppose it’s really the love of words and how they have shaped our culture and the way we see the world.
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On the Darwin stabbing:
During a press conference on Monday, Assistant Police Commissioner Michael White said detective believe the alleged stabbing is linked to two separate matters around Darwin earlier that evening.
‘Two other people are also in custody, age 15 and 16, are assisting police with inquiries in relation to this matter, and also a separate matter at the bottle shop at the beach front hotel earlier that evening,’ he said.
Police believe the first incident took place at the Beachfront Hotel in central Darwin, and the second on the street in Karama – in the city’s eastern suburbs.
‘It is our belief that these two incidents are linked, and potentially a third incident earlier in the evening in Karama where a young person was assaulted and a number of items stolen from them,’ the assistant police commissioner said.
Investigators have seized a blue 2014 Toyota Camry which they allege was present at all three incidents.
This might not be a tipping point for this ‘perpetual irritant*’ behaviour. But then again, it might be. Nobody blinks an eye when they kill each other. We’ll see if it suddenly matters now.
On this subject, you may very well be right.
There appears to be a groundswell of people who are over the childish antics of the 251 Nations.
Today while doing some shopping, I was wearing my “The Unvaccinated are not a Threat to Society – They are a Threat to Authority” Tshirt. Five different people pulled me up to register their displeasure at what they believe is the loss of representation in Parliament and the focus on ten percent of the noisiest. Two wanted to know where I got my bumper stickers from.
Perhaps the excesses of the government, the bureaucracy, and the screeching of the favoured Leftists and their pervert supporters have finally galvanised the sheep.
This particular skit has sparked outrage, numerous controversies and criticisms due to its content, among which the most famous is the Robert Swope controversy (see below). In the original version she is 13, but later versions changed her age to 16. It also originally included the line, “If it was rape, it was a good rape“, which was removed from later versions.
V-Day is a non-profit 501(c)(3) organization[7] that distributes funds to national and international grassroot organizations and programs that work to stop violence against girls and women.
Robert Swope (‘good rape’) critique
In 2000, Robert Swope, a conservative contributor to a Georgetown University newspaper, The Hoya, wrote an article critical of the play.[27] He suggested there was a contradiction between the promotion of rape awareness on V-Day and the monologue “The Little Coochie Snorcher That Could”, in which an adult woman recalls being given alcohol and statutorily raped at 13 by a 24-year-old woman[28] as a positive, healing experience, ending the segment with the proclamation “It was a good rape.”
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I don’t think Government should be in the business of banning words, speeches or symbols.
Yes, you should have the right to be a Nazi symbol wearing toss pot and everyone can see you for what you are supporting. Yes, you should have the right to wear a hammer and sickle of the far more murderous regimes, like Munt. Yes, you should have the right to get laid by that hot Greens chick cos you wear a Che Guavera tee shirt (and that’s the only reason you wear it)… and wake up with gonhorrea.
I can’t believe I am going to quote George Brandis here but: You (should) have the right to be a bigot (and be seen as one).
(On a related thread, surely it’s only a matter of time until, say, a crucifix is banned because it triggers people)
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Tell me Russia is stable and Putin is secure?
Russia is stable and Putin is secure.
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‘We played this game at school, Mom, and you’re going to be upset,’
Wonderful how kids are gifted with a innate sense of right and wrong.
Sad how adults can self deceive themselves out of these fundamental truths.
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… and wake up with gonhorrea.
Lucky, usually much worse.
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DB
I can’t find the link (I’m at work) but John Anderson did a great, hour-long, interview with a couple of Russian academics.
They explained that society in Russia was so displaced by the fall in ’91 that everyone lost everything! Jobs, houses, status, certainty, money… “Order” (or the appearance of it) wasn’t really restored until 1999 and the Ruskies will be eternally grateful that Vladimir saved them from democracy.
They’re a weird lot but I’m still more perplexed by the Poles calling for WWIII as they’ve had far more cogent domestic policy parameters than any other NATO nation.
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“The Unvaccinated are not a Threat to Society – They are a Threat to Authority”
Nice.
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Melinda Richards ????
@goodfoodgal
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Let’s just pretend she said:
I can’t believe I am going to quote George Brandis here but: You (should) have the right to be a bigot (and be seen as one).
There’s no right to be a bigot, defending bigots is the height of stupidity, and George Brandis employed Bruce Lehrmann.
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RIP Johnny Sattler. One of the toughest men to ever lace on a boot.
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They’re a weird lot but I’m still more perplexed by the Poles calling for WWIII as they’ve had far more cogent domestic policy parameters than any other NATO nation.
I think it’s just a European thing, they seem to need industrial scale butchery of men ever 30-50 years.
Hiram Maxim went to Europe trying to sell electrical appliances. He concluded that Europeans were only really excited about war. He obliged and returned a few years later with the Maxim Machine Gun.
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Dick Head VC & Bar, Munty Cross and Mentioned in Passing, you’re free to say just about anything on this blog thanks to Dover. Us telling you you’re a dickhead is free speech as well. Most of us know who’s right without a doubt.
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Cassie of Sydney:
Next Saturday night, when I am at Rabz’s place watching the electoral results come in, I am going to drink to the annihilation, the obliteration and the end of the Liberal Party of Australia.
Dover Beach:
Are we going to live blog this momentous occasion?
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On the LOTRs, I also thought the “men of the East” was a reference to Islam who are out to destroy the “men of the West?”
I never read it anywhere, I just presumed…
Peter Jackson had them arriving in ships rigged with lateen sails, the same as in Arab dhows.
Gosh !!
When I was 16/17 and read LOTR, I don’t think I had ever heard of Islam ! I never knew about homosexuality until I was 21 or so (thanks RMIT Mechanical Engineering lads !).
So young, so innocent.
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Yeah, her purse was on top of her car, but even speaking to Lesbians can have fatal consequences.
He had no idea who she was talking on the phone with.
Dick Head VC & Bar, Munty Cross and Mentioned in Passing, you’re free to say just about anything on this blog thanks to Dover.
Why bring Dover into some stupid issue you’ve got with me?
but even speaking to Lesbians can have fatal consequences.
Give me a ping, Vasily. One ping only, please.
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PINNNNNNNG.
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P:
Very good statement by Senator Claire Chandler on hitherto unquestioned rights of women to their own female spaces … albeit in Victoria this may or may not be Nazi ideology now, depending on what the polling comes back with
Yeah.
Sure.
Righto.
Then we’ll get stuck into the idea about the questioned rights of men to their own male spaces.
Look while I’m very sympathetic to the plight of women needing ‘safe spaces’ where were these women when our men’s clubs were being invaded by the wymmins libbers who felt they were an expression of male toxicity?
Huh?
What about those sets of rights?
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Ed Casesays:
March 20, 2023 at 4:00 pm
No champ, free speech is sacred, enjoy your retirement.
Is that right, champ?
You haven’t been particularly accepting of my
Sacred Right to Free Speech over the years?
Pointing out the stupidity of much that you post here is not the same as denying you your “Sacred Right of Free Speech”. Indeed, you should be allowed to demonstrate your stupidity here as often as you are silly enough to do so.
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Calli
I suppose it’s really the love of words and how they have shaped our culture and the way we see the world.
The love of words: Logodaedaly definition: the cunning or skilful use of words.
Hiking pole?
I’ll bet she also owns a recumbent bike…
The recumbent bike has always been a step too far. Got hiking poles – you are a step away from joining the Pedestrian Council of Australia with you know who.
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Ed Casesays:
March 20, 2023 at 4:27 pm
I can’t believe I am going to quote George Brandis here but: You (should) have the right to be a bigot (and be seen as one).
There’s no right to be a bigot, defending bigots is the height of stupidity, and George Brandis employed Bruce Lehrmann.
Richard Cranium is obsessed about the Mizzzz Knickerless case. Is she a family member?
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Nobody should be anti-trans.
Why?
Depends on what the term means. We should be kind to those poor sods suffering any mental derangement. That may mean locking them up somewhere safe in order to prevent the derangement spreading. It should be apparent by now that many forms of insanity are contagious.
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handing out HTVs (for a minor party in the upper house) at prepoll, on Saturday and today
lower house Labor, Liberal, Green and Independent candidates have all turned up to pitch in for a significant portion of the time so far, they must think it important to do so (Liberal Democrats and other minor party rep both a no-show) – 30% to 40% of voters lodge their vote here in prepoll.
many, many assistant volunteers (on a roster) for both Labor and the Greens (who are preferencing each other on their HTVs).
Nada, zip volunteers for the Lib candidate in this electorate, poor bugger is completely on his own.
I approached him to talk about Vic Labor giving Bernie Finn and Moira Deeming the bum’s rush, but he point blank refused to talk about it. I also mentioned that the Libs seemed to have abandoned their base, his response was “public views change, they decide”
Stupid.F-cking.Liberals.
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you are a step away from joining the Pedestrian Council of Australia with you know who.
Bill Shorten?
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Winston, I’m pretty sure most women really don’t want access to men’s loos (except in extremis and that definitely happens).
Do I want to invade the Men’s Shed? No. Do I want access to men’s clubs? Absolutely not! Do I want to do work that was traditionally the province of males? My word I would, and I did.
We are talking about two different things here, and I don’t think punishing idiots will help vulnerable little girls.
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For those interested, Moira Deeming’s maiden speech now introduced and excerpted at Quadrant.
It’s great stuff, which is, of course, why her party leader detests it and her.
The Chook’s command economy solution to her playschool Government’s having completely ignored public housing needs is to bring in a rental price cap.
Do these idiots not understand any lesson from history or basic economics?
Well, yes, of course they do, but they don’t care. “We will just beat up the Chook Olympics and all will be forgotten”.
This is just the latest in a chain of idiocies relating to the public housing scandal. They have been running a low-level terror campaign against landlords for some time.
All landlords, but especially those from holiday areas, have been receiving borderline threatening letters from their Councils (who in QLD respond to Govt, not the rate payers ) ‘advising’ them to cease holiday lettings, take on long term leases, or sell.
Council will kindly assist in locating ‘suitable’ tenants.
Landlords in my Shire have been advised by their association to not engage with the Council under any circumstances.
Just bin the letters and let the Council try it on.
But, it’s not all bad. Nazi salutes are still legal in the sunshine oblast.
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Another tough day here at Jacarandas for Freedom. Email for bank account details.
Bill Shorten?
He was asked to leave after a rather unfortunate incident at O Camp.
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Oh, and Chooks, my sweet.
Rental caps in a high demand environment lead directly to under the table payments.
Simples eh girl.
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I never knew about homosexuality until I was 21 or so (thanks RMIT Mechanical Engineering lads !)
Oh my, we might have crossed paths! It wasn’t the year with the large number of navy blokes in it was it?! Bennet, Griffith, Becker, Kemp?
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Bons – yes, we’re going to see key money make a comeback, legally or not, under the same name or not.
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FMD Areff, I am going to have to re-subscribe, there is more sense in the Quadrant email that just came out than any six weeks of ABC Fewfacts and Newcorpse blatherings.
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Calli:
We are talking about two different things here, and I don’t think punishing idiots will help vulnerable little girls.
No we are not.
Men wanted a female free environment because ‘reasons’.
They were denied these environments.
Women want a male free environment because ‘reasons’.
Should we deny them these rights?
This entire problem comes about because government decided the owners of establishments should lose their rights to decide who they would allow on their premises, and where.
Amazing. Government interfered with something and now it is a major problem.
But the one thing you will never find happening is government stepping back and saying “Well, we buggered that up, let’s get back to where we were before the problem got out of control.” and restore the owners right to decide the circumstances under which they will offer services. Then the market will decide – not some bureaucrat.
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Moira Deeming has issued a press release addressing events on Saturday, here and here.
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Nazi open hand, arm raised, salutes out. Are clenched fist, arm raised, commie salutes still OK? Asking for a friend.
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So it has started.
The career defence personnel in the defence forces and their political comrades are purging the Special Forces. They have already banned the use of any insignia that marks a fighting unit. They will now gaol any special forces combatant fighting in foreign territory behind enemy lines who executes the enemy in ways that offend the new Woke in our academies and leadership positions.
I wonder if they now intend to reach back through the ages and revoke the VCs given to our forefathers for what was then termed “bravery”under duress?
Former SAS trooper Oliver Schulz has been arrested over alleged war crimes.
By BEN PACKHAM
FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND DEFENCE CORRESPONDENT
@bennpackham
MARCH 20, 2023, FIRST PUBLISHED AT 2:14PM MARCH 20, 2023
The Australian Federal Police have made their first arrest of a former Australian special forces soldier over alleged war crimes in Afghanistan.
Former SAS trooper Oliver Schulz, 41, was arrested in regional NSW on Monday morning and was expected to face local court later in the day.
“It will be alleged he murdered an Afghan man while deployed to Afghanistan with the Australian Defence Force,” the AFP said in a statement.
“The maximum penalty for a war crime-murder offence is life imprisonment.”
The alleged 2012 killing is set to become the first to be prosecuted following an investigation by the Office of the Special Investigator.
The OSI was set up to probe alleged war crimes identified by army reserve major general and NSW Supreme Court judge Paul Brereton in his November 2020 report for the Inspector-General of the Australian Defence Force.
The AFP said the arrest was the result of a joint investigation by the OSI and its own investigators.
“The OSI and AFP are working together to investigate allegations of criminal offences under Australian law related to breaches of the Laws of Armed Conflict by Australian Defence Force personnel in Afghanistan between 2005 and 2016,” it said.
The AFP said it would be inappropriate to comment further as the matter was before the court.
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Do I want to invade the Men’s Shed? No. Do I want access to men’s clubs? Absolutely not! Do I want to do work that was traditionally the province of males? My word I would, and I did.
Yeah Calli, but you’re (fairly) sane. 😛
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Tony Tardio
@tonytardio
That the Liberals selected Moira Deeming as a candidate says a lot but if they fail to expel her from their party they may as well shut up shop.
3AW really is the pits.
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Nice piece from The Conservative Woman here about human nature as evidenced in an ancient Greek play:
Many wonders there be, but naught more wondrous than man;
Over the surging sea, with a whitening south wind wan,
Through the foam of the firth, man makes his perilous way;
And the eldest of deities Earth that knows not toil nor decay
Ever he furrows and scores, as his team, year in year out,
With breed of the yoked horse, the ploughshare turneth about.
To the doomsayers here (not to mention the ahistoricists who declare a current politician ‘the worst ever’ – no better than those on tik tok or twitter) I believe that Western cultures and those who lived in them have embedded characteristics that have not changed. Not only that, but many immigrants have either come from those cultures or adopted them.
Before certain people get all excited, no, not all.
This place sometimes seems like an old folks home, where everyone says that the world is going to hell and is not like it used to be.
Well, duh!
If you went to an old folks home in the 1950s, your Golden Age, what do you think they would have been saying?
‘This is the Golden Age, the younger generation is fantastic, the future is bright.’
Ahahahahaha! 🙂
Stop feeling sorry for yourselves and behaving like boring old farts. And especially, stop imagining that there was a Golden Age of politics and journalism, especially in the US, but no less applicable here. There was no such thing.
Outrage is no substitute for analysis. That’s what the Left do. Stop emoting and start thinking.
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It should be apparent by now that many forms of insanity are contagious.
Really doc, you think a dude getting dressed as a shelia may cause others to do the same thing?
Actually, I do want to invade the local Men’s Shed. I have a small business idea for them.
I reckon they could make a bit of money on their whetstones sharpening tools, as there’s no local sharpening service. I know a heap of people who would like scissors, secateurs, clippers, knives, even chainsaws sharpened…cash money.
Quick turnaround too.
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Hahaha. Designated News Corp ALP spruiker Joe Hildebrand is a never-Trumper.
Didn’t see that coming. Not. Hahaha.
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callisays:
March 20, 2023 at 5:50 pm
Actually, I do want to invade the local Men’s Shed. I have a small business idea for them.
I reckon they could make a bit of money on their whetstones sharpening tools, as there’s no local sharpening service.
Our local shed has one bloke who specialises in knife, axe, edged device, sharpening. Not wildly far from you, but definitely not local to you.
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The Australian Federal Police have made their first arrest of a former Australian special forces soldier over alleged war crimes in Afghanistan.
Australia:
F’cking leave as quickly as you can.
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Stop emoting and start thinking.
*outrage*
Where’s the fun in that? 😀
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I never knew about homosexuality until I was 21 or so (thanks RMIT Mechanical Engineering lads !)
First, the most important and natural question on everyone’s mind: why now? And cui bono?
There are two main ideas behind the timing of this ruling. The first and most pressing, is that China’s Xi Jinping has only days ago been announced to be headed to Moscow for an important state visit on 3/20 – 3/22.
The timing of this sudden Hague ruling is deviously obvious: it’s meant to put pressure on Xi on the eve of his likely signing of important agreements. It’s meant to embarrass Xi, both internally within perhaps some of the detractors of his own party, and outside with the rest of the world, by generating the optics of him meeting with what is ostensibly an ‘international criminal’ in Putin.
Of course from the more ‘surface reading’ of the western side, the current narrative revolves around this Hague ruling being a pressure lever meant to topple Putin internally from power. Various UK tabloid rags are running with the take that Putin’s ‘oligarchs’ will now overthrow him, and that his tenuous grip on power is slipping due to the embarrassment of being perceived as an internationally condemned ‘criminal’.
Of course, this take is pure nonsense. No one in Russia cares about these lowbrow jester’s parlor tricks. The fact is, the Hague has no legitimacy not only because Russia is not a signatory to it, never having ratified the Hague agreement and thus does not recognize the court’s authority whatsoever, but also the fact that the US has already itself destroyed any credibility of the Hague by threatening to arrest its judges if they dared prosecute American troops for Afghani war crimes:
John Bolton also threatened to sanction the Hague for the same. In fact, the US literally passed the American Service Member Protection Act, which—I kid you not—gives the US the legal right to ‘invade the Hague’ should they prosecute American soldiers.
This authorization led to the act being colloquially nicknamed “The Hague Invasion Act”, as the act allows the President to order U.S. military action, such as an invasion of The Hague, where the ICC is located, to protect American officials and military personnel from prosecution or rescue them from custody.[2][3]
And in even bigger hypocrisy, it turns out that the chief prosecutor of the Hague, the very man himself who wrote the order of arrest for Putin—Karim Khan—is the brother of one Imran Ahmad Khan, UK Tory politician who was convicted of child sex last year:
But the kicker is, Kim DotCom claims that Karim Khan, the ICC prosecutor, helped get his convicted pedophile brother out 9 months early. The same Karim Khan who just issued an arrest warrant to Putin for the crime of ‘deporting/trafficking Ukrainian children’. Hypocrisy much?
With that said, I myself haven’t been able to verify the link that Karim Khan explicitly aided in the early release of his brother, so this could be speculation. However, given that Karim Khan is a prominent British lawyer and was appointed Queen’s Counsel in 2011, it certainly lends credibility to the notion.
Also, this bit in his bio is quite intriguing:
Khan was the third chief prosecutor elected in the ICC’s history, and the first one elected by secret ballot. Khan had been nominated by the United Kingdom.[4][13] He took office in June 2021, replacing Fatou Bensouda.
Seems perhaps this compromised family has quite some kompromat pulling their strings.
Now, onto the other reason for why they would issue this ruling against Putin now. The first as I said was to throw a shade over Xi’s coming state visit. Another likely and more significant possibility is to undercut any potential future peace talks between Putin and Zelensky.
The powers that be are watching Ukraine’s collapse and know the last big ‘hurrah’ hail mary throw of the vaunted ‘Spring Offensive’ will be the true beginning of the end, at which point Zelensky will be under great pressure from various sides to begin formal overtures of peace/compromise toward Putin/Russia.
By issuing this arrest warrant on Putin, the powers that be are effectively dousing him with a ‘black mark’, or perhaps a scarlet letter which throws great legal weight against any potential peace proceedings. After all, how do you formally and officially meet for legal peace agreements with a known, internationally recognized ‘criminal’? Would Slobodan Milosevic be allowed to hold ‘peace talks’ with anyone in a formal, legal format?
In fact, this is straight out of the standard CIA playbook. Here’s a Washington Post article from May 28, 1999 which says:
Russia vowed today to continue to try to mediate between NATO and Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic but said that his indictment on war crimes charges had complicated the effort and that the talks were not moving in a positive direction.
The indictment of Milosevic on the eve of Chernomyrdin’s visit was denounced by Russia, and viewed by some Russian officials as a sign that the West is taking an uncompromising approach. The newspaper Izvestia noted that “it is impossible to come to terms with a wanted military criminal” and claimed the indictment would cancel out Chernomyrdin’s diplomacy.
Read that last part again: “it is impossible to come to terms with a wanted criminal” and that this indictment would “cancel out…diplomacy.”
You see how conveniently it all works out? By branding a leader with the ‘black mark’ of international pariah status, you magically poison any possibility of his being allowed to hold formal, legal, internationally recognized diplomacy of any sort.
In short, this action is a ‘setting fire to the ships’ (rather than mere ‘show across the bow’) for Ukraine.
The message is, no peace talks will be accepted—we need you to fight and die to the last Ukrainian.
We can further assume that perhaps the situation has gotten so bad, there may have been secret internal ‘signals’ that got Washington worried. So they pulled the alarm to scuttle that ship.
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The Australian Federal Police have made their first arrest of a former Australian special forces soldier over alleged war crimes in Afghanistan.
I have no idea whether this bloke is guilty or not. But being a special forces member isn’t a license to murder. If he did murder someone without justification, then he should be on trial.
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I wonder if they think the Grampian NAZIs can sustain another 24 hours of media “scrutiny”?
It’s quite a technical speech from the RBA’s Assistant Governor – you might like to give it a miss if monetary policy isn’t your thing.
…conditions in global bond markets have been strained recently following the failure of Silicon Valley Bank in the United States. Volatility in Australian financial markets has picked up but markets are still functioning and, most importantly, Australian banks are unquestionably strong – the banks’ capital and liquidity positions are well above APRA’s regulatory requirements. Banks are already well advanced on their bond issuance plans for the year and could defer their bond issuance for a while. Even if markets remain strained for a time, Australian banks’ issuance will continue to benefit from the strength of their balance sheets.
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The AFP said the arrest was the result of a joint investigation by the OSI and its own investigators.
Let me guess, relying on Afghan witnesses and ADF personnel who would have been weeded out by any sort of sensible recruiting process?
That poor bastard Schulz is completely rooted.
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Tony Tardio
@tonytardio
That the Liberals selected Moira Deeming as a candidate says a lot but if they fail to expel her from their party they may as well shut up shop.
3AW really is the pits.
I thought Tony Turdio was just meant to read the ‘news’.
The whole Australian meja fuktard complex is the pits.
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So canbra will either give you a pubic serpent medal or arrest you for doing your job. Of course this prosecution of soldiers for doing their job is just the canbra pubic parasites copying the poms.
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Rape was a capital crime in NSW until 1955.
There is a couple of ways of thinking about this.
Im fine with capital being on the table, but the bar for the prosecution needs to be very, very high.
No hand patting, ABC assassinations and perjury or attempting to game the court should result in jail time.
However if its to be on the basis of he said/she said with no other evidence then it must be treated as a nuisance crime (such as shoplifting/graffiti) with bugger all sanctions.
You cant mix the 2. either its something awful which deserves harsh penalty or its something trivial deserving a fine or probation/light jail time.
And depending on where you slide the scale of ‘awfulness” you have to have either robust full defense of the accused or that weeks duty legal aid lawyer in front of a local court.
At the moment there seems to be a lust for watering down the burden of proof and allowing trial via media but keeping severe penalties.
A recipe for injustice.
(As a certain Mr Pell could have told us)
I cant see it improving until there is another missive high profile case overturned against a person with very deep pockets (along the lines of Twiggy – deep pockets) and a massive bloodletting occurs in a plethora of civil cases.
Or the courts grow a pair and go extremely hard on perjury and the likes of the ABCcess.
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I hate canbra as much as they hate people like me.
The real motivation lies in the states’ budgets, which depend on the success of green startups.
Imagine a bank in Houston that caters to the oil-and-gas industry. It makes low-cost loans with credit-friendly terms to unprofitable shale frackers on the condition that they hold their deposits exclusively at the bank, where they earn an above-market return. It also manages the wealth of oil and gas executives.
The bank uses its enormous deposits to fund more risky loans to frackers and acquire Treasury bonds and government mortgage-backed securities. The latter obscure the credit risk on its balance sheet. As frackers burn cash, the bank struggles to redeem deposits and has to sell assets at a loss.
As news of the losses spreads, there is a run on deposits. The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., with the approval of a Republican president, takes over the bank and guarantees all its uninsured deposits, including those of oil-and-gas executives. Wouldn’t Democrats scream “bailout”?
This essentially describes what has happened at Silicon Valley Bank over the past week.
Democrats insist the FDIC’s guarantee of uninsured deposits decidedly isn’t a bailout.
The truth is that the Biden administration not only bailed out Silicon Valley investors and companies. It also rescued California, whose budget depends on them, and the state’s liberal political class. It did the same for New York by back-stopping uninsured deposits at Signature Bank.
California’s tax revenue has swelled—and is now falling—in tandem with Silicon Valley’s fortunes. As the Federal Reserve pumped trillions of dollars into the economy and cut interest rates to near-zero, the stock market surged. Investors sold stock in tech companies at inflated prices. Startups took advantage of the hot stock market to float public shares.
Investors plowed their capital gains into high-yielding accounts at SVB and startups with accounts at the bank. Between December 2019 and December 2022, its deposits tripled to $173 billion. SVB became Silicon Valley’s premier bank by offering generous loan terms and above-market returns on deposits to unprofitable companies, many with no revenue.
But as the Fed raised interest rates and tech startups burned through cash, SVB had to sell mortgage-backed securities at a loss to cover deposit redemptions. You know the rest of the story.
Normally, uninsured depositors—those with more than $250,000 in an account—would take a haircut of some 10% to 15% if a bank fails. But tech investors, California Gov. Gavin Newsom and Silicon Valley politicians lobbied the White House for help. Not guaranteeing uninsured deposits would “hurt the innovation pipeline” and “ordinary people,” claimed Silicon Valley Rep. Ro Khanna.
It’s true: Absent the FDIC bailout, startups would have had to raise more capital from venture investors to offset their losses. That may have proved difficult for less-promising enterprises, as investors refused to give more money while they tried to pare their own losses. But it likely wouldn’t have been a problem for the truly innovative firms.
And those with more than $250,000 in a bank account aren’t “ordinary” people. What has hurt ordinary people is the Fed’s inflationary policies. Why shouldn’t Silicon Valley have to bear some pain as the central bank corrects the ultra-loose monetary policies that enriched its technocratic class? Is Silicon Valley too important to lose money? As far as Mr. Newsom is concerned, the answer appears to be yes.
High earners in California’s Bay Area pay about half of state income tax. Capital-gains realizations surged to $245 billion in 2021 from $145 billion in 2019, helping create a more than $100 billion budget surplus last year. But stocks have plunged and tech layoffs are increasing, so California is staring down the barrel of a gaping deficit.
Tax revenue through the first eight months of this year is running $25 billion lower than last year. The budget carnage would be greater if investors had to write down their startup investments.
No wonder Mr. Newsom, who reportedly had an account at SVB, praised the administration’s bailout’s “profoundly positive impacts on California.”
Meantime, SVB’s New York bailout companion, Signature, has received a bum rap as a crypto bank.
But if most of its uninsured depositors were crypto companies, there’s no chance the FDIC would have bailed them out. Signature primarily caters to New York’s liberal special interests, which donate to Democratic campaigns.
It is New York City’s top lender to low-income housing developers and “a significant player when it came to financing for personal injury firms,” according to Law.com. One of its specialities was financing the purchase of taxi medallions. According to the New York Times, it was also known “for catering to wealthy families.” Former Gov. Andrew Cuomo has a campaign account at the bank.
Mr. Khanna insists that a bank catering to the oil-and-gas industry would be treated the same as SVB and Signature.
But maybe the reason those two banks failed to manage their risks is their leaders knew they had political protection in case they got into trouble.
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areffsays:
March 20, 2023 at 5:19 pm
For those interested, Moira Deeming’s maiden speech now introduced and excerpted at Quadrant.
It’s great stuff, which is, of course, why her party leader detests it and her.
Hiking poles are pretty expensive I imagine, carbon fibre and all that. Presumably they sell them in pairs. You never know when a retractable stick will come in handy.
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If he did murder someone without justification, then he should be on trial.
Murdering someone in Afghanistan is almost a logical impossibility. A beautiful country full of phenomenally shit people.
If you’re going to dump personnel into a Third World Hell Hole with a highly active insurgency and then dissect their every action from a first world perspective, from the safety of Australia, you might as well chuck the whole deployment in prison.
If there was any case to answer then it sits with the commanders, because apparently this issue spans a number of years which would suggest that they tolerated alleged misconduct, year in year out, most likely in order to get the job done.
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I’m beginning to understand crotchless’s antipathy to Moira Deeming and the women’s rights rally crashed by antifa dressed as nazis: Moira has noted there were some Jewish ladies there so its just his antisemitism bubbling up.
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Former SAS trooper Oliver Schulz, 41, was arrested in regional NSW on Monday morning and was expected to face local court later in the day.
Any chance that Olly Schulz gave Evidence against Roberts-Smith, and this is payback from Roberts-Smith’s enablers?
I have no idea whether this bloke is guilty or not. But being a special forces member isn’t a license to murder. If he did murder someone without justification, then he should be on trial.
Beaugy, the AFP is using the Democratic Party’s method of mobilising the justice system to persecute ideological enemies.
I have 100% confidence that the ADF soldiers the AFP is targeting are innocent and will be acquitted a la Pell’s 7-0 on appeal to the High Court if necessary.
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I wonder if they think the Grampian NAZIs can sustain another 24 hours of media “scrutiny”?
I’d say those Grampians NAZIs might be lyin’low at some gym in Carlton.
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That’s a very good idea Calli
I’ll bring it up at the next meeting
( we’ve just forked out over $1000 for a new machine)
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Apropos of nothing, great British B movie here called The Big Day (1960), about rivals for the directorship of a small company.
Much better than many A movies of the time.
Also watched another one called ‘Snowball’ featuring Dennis Waterman aged 10. A child accuses a bus conductor of throwing him off because he doesn’t have a ticket, with awful consequences. Gordon Jackson stars as his Pa (how unlikely is that!).
He started out as he continued, just playing himself. It worked pretty well for him over his long career.
It’s on Youtube.
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I’d say those Grampians NAZIs might be lyin’low at some gym in Carlton.
One ping only, please.
But being a special forces member isn’t a license to murder.
What a stupid thing to say. The job of the special forces is to kill the enemy. The muzzies don’t wear uniforms and hide behind other muzzies. So how do you tell innocent muzzies.
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Ed Casesays:
March 20, 2023 at 6:27 pm
I wonder if they think the Grampian NAZIs can sustain another 24 hours of media “scrutiny”?
I’d say those Grampians NAZIs might be lyin’low at some gym in Carlton.
At a gym? Definitely not m0nty=fa, then.
Former SAS trooper Oliver Schulz arrested over alleged war crimes in Afghanistan
Former SAS trooper Oliver Schulz has been arrested over alleged war crimes. Picture: Supplied
rick – see my comment at 5.28pm. And also Dr.Beaugan.
If you are going to arrest people for alleged war crimes , beware the Woke scrolling back through war records to inculpate your grandfathers for war crimes in the last two World Wars – there were plenty of them if you invoke the current definition of war crimes.
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“I have 100% confidence that the ADF soldiers the AFP is targeting are innocent and will be acquitted a la Pell’s 7-0 on appeal to the High Court if necessary.”
True, but the process is the punishment.
Oh and watching John Pesutto on Credlin. Pesutto is a disgraceful weasel. One thing is for sure, Pesutto will never be premier. He actually makes me physically sick.
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Read the Moira Deeming press release.
Deeming is saying I’ve done nothing wrong being on a platform with ratbags at an event that Blind Freddie coulda told you would end in chaos,
and The LIberal Party has gotta declare me a benchmark for political sanity or I’m pulling the Circus tent down on toppa youse.
Ave Me!
Who’s advising this fruitloop?
Saying nothing, Davey Warner style, was the way to go, not throwing fuel on the Flames.
Vickisays:
March 20, 2023 at 5:38 pm
So it has started.
The career defence personnel in the defence forces and their political comrades are purging the Special Forces. They have already banned the use of any insignia that marks a fighting unit. They will now gaol any special forces combatant fighting in foreign territory behind enemy lines who executes the enemy in ways that offend the new Woke in our academies and leadership positions.
I wonder if they now intend to reach back through the ages and revoke the VCs given to our forefathers for what was then termed “bravery”under duress?
Former SAS trooper Oliver Schulz has been arrested over alleged war crimes.
By BEN PACKHAM
FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND DEFENCE CORRESPONDENT
@bennpackham
MARCH 20, 2023, FIRST PUBLISHED AT 2:14PM MARCH 20, 2023
The Australian Federal Police have made their first arrest of a former Australian special forces soldier over alleged war crimes in Afghanistan.
Former SAS trooper Oliver Schulz, 41, was arrested in regional NSW on Monday morning and was expected to face local court later in the day.
“It will be alleged he murdered an Afghan man while deployed to Afghanistan with the Australian Defence Force,” the AFP said in a statement.
“The maximum penalty for a war crime-murder offence is life imprisonment.”
The alleged 2012 killing is set to become the first to be prosecuted following an investigation by the Office of the Special Investigator.
The OSI was set up to probe alleged war crimes identified by army reserve major general and NSW Supreme Court judge Paul Brereton in his November 2020 report for the Inspector-General of the Australian Defence Force.
The AFP said the arrest was the result of a joint investigation by the OSI and its own investigators.
“The OSI and AFP are working together to investigate allegations of criminal offences under Australian law related to breaches of the Laws of Armed Conflict by Australian Defence Force personnel in Afghanistan between 2005 and 2016,” it said.
The AFP said it would be inappropriate to comment further as the matter was before the court.
Judging by the recruiting ads I’m seeing everywhere they’re already struggling. I can’t see this helping recruit or retain anyone.
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So John Pussotto uses Wikipedia. LOL.
He’s a f*cking disgrace.
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Pesutto on Credlin is claiming Moira arranged for the antifa dressed as nazis to turn up at the pro women rally. Apparently the left wing Jewish organiser had praised nazis as being anti-pedo; according to pesutto who has searched Kelli-Jay King’s wiki page which apparently has false info and is locked.
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Few pics of the nazis seem to show a disturbing lack of inked arms/ plumage normally associated with the type.
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I’m actually stunned and sickened by Pussuto. Calling him a weasel is perhaps too kind.
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The OSI was set up to probe alleged war crimes identified by army reserve major general and NSW Supreme Court judge Paul Brereton in his November 2020 report for the Inspector-General of the Australian Defence Force.
Brereton, whose greatest battle was defeating an undercooked steak.
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I see that TheirABC is running more and more stories about how people are rolling up their sleeves and helping those who are in need of food by growing a few plants. It’s the British wartime spirit all over again – grow a Victory Garden (which they frequently espouse) and a contemporary revival of the handbook of the 1970s group house, 101 Ways with Mince.
This is emotive crap. The vast majority of expenditure is on a roof over your head and energy costs. Things like pharmaceuticals and cleaning products are next. Food is at the bottom of the list, but is easiest to get cheap or for nothing.
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where were these women when our men’s clubs were being invaded by the wymmins libbers
Except the Melbourne club is still exclusively male and women’s toilets and changerooms is exactly the same thing as a men’s club.
The eternal suffering of the white male. Blub blub.
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Pesutto is a stupid stupid little man.
He’s just handed the Andrew’s junta the stick to beat them with.
Danbots will be ordering their Grampians Nazi gear now so they can tar any conservative MP or candidate with the guilt by association brush.
Seriously, how dumb can you be!
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Did Deeming have correspondence with the Black Shorts or not?
The lack of tattooed plumage is indicative of the Lesser Nazi.
Their mating season starts on Labour Day and they then roost in inner suburban bistros.
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101 Ways with Avocado.
Writes itself.
I wonder if they now intend to reach back through the ages and revoke the VCs given to our forefathers for what was then termed “bravery”under duress?
They’re compelled to, surely. They can start with Albert ‘I got the buggers, Sir’ Jacka, and see how they go after that.
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John Pesutto perfectly represents the Liberal Party’s fake conservative rump that believes you can be elected if you imitate your enemies – like Matt Kean, who is in the process of bringing down the NSW government this weekend by making the LNP unelectable for decades.
Pesutti’s defining characteristics are cowardice, cowardice and cowardice. Pesutto is what happens when you convince yourself that betraying your supporters are a viable political strategy.
Well spotted Gez! There’s a subspecies known as the Waxed or Buffed Nazi also. It tends to socialise with the larger, more aggressive ones, but lacks the moral fibre to hunt alone.
Experts differ on whether it originates in the Grampians, or is actually a more urban type from Fitzroy and environs.
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There’s going to be a few Aussies investigated for “war crimes” then, if you go back far enough:
A Japanese officer in New Guinea, with his position overrun, challenged the advancing Australian troops wearing a parade uniform and carrying a drawn sword. He “…went whoosh with his sword, and he carved all the bits of the side of the palm fronds,” inviting the soldiers to take him, one presumes, with their bayonets. He was given a count of ten to surrender and then shot.”
Towards the end of the war Cam Bennett, leading a company of the Australian Army, noted that in the rare event of taking a prisoner it was difficult to get them taken to the rear alive. “…it was essential to send some of them back with a good reliable NCO or they would be shot by their guards while attempting to escape (so the guards said).
Or in Europe:
An Australian section was attacking a German piece of the line after being heavily shelled by their enemy. When they came across a large detachment of the enemy, they attacked with bayonet to such effect that some Germans shammed being dead or wounded to escape attack. Then, as the attack passed on, some of them came back to life, so to speak. WJ Harris of the 24th Battalion of the AIF commented that: “…a number of these Huns rose up and started firing on us from the rear. That, naturally enough, made the boys see red. Their deaths were real enough after that”.
Or in WWI:
Captain Ambrose Cull tells of a similar incident in the early days of the European campaign, when three Germans surrendered in a dugout, and then as they came out with their hands up two of them suddenly reached revolvers and opened fire, hitting one of the Australian troopers; their sergeant responded with three shots of his own, killing the two Germans. Then the Australians opened up on every other one of the enemy in the trench, killing around 60 of them.
I could go on but you get the picture.
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Yep, but we didn’t really need Pew Research to inform us.
White leftwing American sheilas are nuts.
56% of liberal white women aged 18-29 have been diagnosed with a mental health condition.
As promsied earlier this morning – here is (ALP) Deputy Chief Minister Nicole Manison speaking to a sombrely-nodding media after the stabbing murder of a bottleshop attendant by a recidivist indig property crime, violent offender and pisswreck (the NT News):
An emotional Ms Manison said the “devastating” incident “makes your blood boil” but deferred questions on whether anything would change in the government’s approach to tackling crime.
“This has happened overnight, there will be briefings that are received and police will go out there and investigate this thoroughly,” she said.
“We know alcohol issues are not new, they have been part of the NT for a long time but the best way for us to tackle it is to look at evidence based approaches, to have the hard conversations, and do the hard work.”
By ‘evidence based approaches’, clearly Manison means ‘evidence of anything that won’t make this shambles of a government look more shithouse than it is’.
Told youse. Handpattery writ large.
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Does Nazi watching make you a twitcher or a twerker?
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It’s quite a technical speech from the RBA’s Assistant Governor – you might like to give it a miss if monetary policy isn’t your thing.
Could you forward mine to Martin Armstrong. Thanks.
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This is looking like perhaps Moira was set up?
Ya think, Googleory?
That was the whole point — planned with the absolute certainty that the news media would support the anti-LNP witchhunt.
It’s all about the tribe.
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Mr Pesutto on Monday said Ms Deeming was “actively involved in different ways in the organisation and promotion of this protest at which there were speakers with known links to neo-Nazis”.
He said he did not tolerate any association with white supremacy.
What’s wrong with that?
Is anyone here game to put up their hand as a [gasp] White Supremacist?
Felt in the mood for some Tom Petty, hit the youtube. But alas, the local cockies decided to do Wagner above. Ear splitting, relentless.
Will just have to wait until the sun goes down.
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Main costs are housing, energy and health. Extent you spend is optional but there is a bottom line lower limit. American drug store cornucopias show that cheaper pharmaceuticals replace costly doctor’s visits. Same here I suspect. Housing and energy are definitely the biggest drains with the highest levels of inflation. They are also very inflexible. You have to pay them, although you can try to minimise their costs; in the short term though most people are locked in. Another ‘indispensable’ high cost is communications, and for some, either running a car or paying fares to get to work.
If you have children, factor in so much more that is hard to skimp on.
People take a second job for cash, take in boarders, sell things on eBay; avoiding tax on all of these where possible. They also rely on family help instead of paid services, including for loans, use hand-me-downs and look for cheaper options of all food and other requirements.
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ed-mong seems to be curiously animated lately, mummies crotch must have rotted out again.
Jeebus. It has been very humid though.
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56% of liberal white women aged 18-29 have been diagnosed with a mental health condition.
Laugh if you must, I did.
Seriously, though, what have they got to look forward to?
10 years as a Sex Symbol, then a slow decline for, say, 75 years till they look like Granny Clampett?
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Bolt, to his credit, is unflinching.
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Forgot to mention too – more and more people simply steal. From supermarkets at automatic check-outs and by other ‘shoplifting’. And by opportunistically taking anything left lying around.
And then there’s applying for handouts. Charities are overwhelmed.
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White leftwing American sheilas are nuts.
Told you it’s contagious. They catch looniness from each other.
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Dalrymple 2017 ‘Swansea’ Pinot Noir.
Very, very nice.
Darker fruit flavour, but not identifiable as either plum or berries. I like this because it is more to ponder over.
Soft but sustained oak tannins on the cheeks.
Tomorrow’s Coco Pops will certainly be an epicurean adventure.
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Doc
There’s no way to tell which comes first. It’s a real chicken and egg.
There’s going to be a few Aussies investigated for “war crimes” then, if you go back far enough:
My great uncle served in New Guinea in 1944 – 45. He wrote in his diary that the policy of shooting Japanese who were attempting to surrender using the airdropped leaflets, is yielding the results one would expect. Is that a war crime?
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I’d be really surprised if the Fed doesn’t ease monetary policy quick smart now. WSJ reporting up to 200 small US banks are in trouble. Fed has begun lending dollars to a dollar short world – ie. other central banks.
There’s going to be a few Aussies investigated for “war crimes” then, if you go back far enough:
That is my point, Topender. I feel very strongly about this. The intervention in Middle Eastern countries such as Afghanistan to ensure a stable regime was a big ask in adhering to strict post Nuremburg rules in a country in which the enemy was feasibly in every house, in every village. In the fog of war – and even in the clear air of war – enemies and friends are hard to distinguish, and mistakes may cost a soldier’s life.
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My great uncle served in New Guinea in 1944 – 45. He wrote in his diary that the policy of shooting Japanese who were attempting to surrender using the airdropped leaflets, is yielding the results one would expect. Is that a war crime?
Yes. It’s also stupid.
Tom, the defence of the bloke who was shot that he had two children is clearly crap. All the soldier had to say in his defence is that he believed the bloke was a combatant, as similar ppl had turned out to be in the past. That would be good enough for me and, I should hope, the high court. I agree that prosecuting SAS ppl for war crimes looks political, but all the same, I’m not willing to start from the assumption that all our soldiers are pure and incapable of murder without justification.
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Bolt, to his credit, is unflinching.
And then he has that morose never Trumper sheridan on who vomits 5 minutes of sheer crap about Trump being indicted. “He’s probably guilty” intones the basset faced cretin about Stormy.
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This wasn’t supposed to happen.
UBS Group AG (UBS)
15.67 -2.53 (-13.90%)
UBS has been backstopped by about CHF 9 billion from the Swiss National bank for buying Credit Suisse. UBS is down 14%
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Couple of things.
Tony Tardio, all he does is read the news on 3AW. That’s all. So put a line through him.
Just watched the start of NRL 360 and they had a bit of Sattler on. FMD the story Paul Kent regaled about him in the 1970 decider is something to behold.
Broke his jaw early, played 77 minutes with it busted. Won’t ever happen again.
After the match, the press wanted to speak with Sattler, him being captain. He was trying to set his jaw so it looked presentable. Goes out to the press pack, he goes to speak and his jaw dropped alarmingly.
That’s phucking tough. Or stupid. Or both.
Couple of other things, Pesutto is spineless and along with Perrotet will leave the Liberals as stinking carrion ready to be picked over for at least a decade.
And monty still carries water for degenerate perverts. And has yet to denounce that ‘trans woman’ from his own side.
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Bathhouse Nazis seems to be more common lately too.
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Jeebus. It has been very humid though
Chortle
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The promise of a couple of points of meth is all it takes to get them onto the streets in those fetching uniforms.
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And who will rescue UBS? Swiss can run a regular bank, but not a toxic entity full of bad & risky trades which is what UBS will become once CS takeover is done. Hopefully at some point the swiss voters wake up and resist having the toxic trades dumped on them to pay billions (for nothing) …
Knuckle Draggersays:
March 20, 2023 at 6:56 pm
I wonder if they now intend to reach back through the ages and revoke the VCs given to our forefathers for what was then termed “bravery”under duress?
They’re compelled to, surely. They can start with Albert ‘I got the buggers, Sir’ Jacka, and see how they go after that.
In 1916, in France, Jacka had taken some prisoners, but was isolated form his own lines by a German counter-attack. If he had released the prisoners, and tried to get back to his own lines, the Germans could have picked up abandoned weapons and shot him. So he shot them first, then fought his way back to the Australian lines.
IIRC, for other actions around that time, he received an MC.
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Gold finishes the day over $3007.71/oz
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the basset faced cretin
Meanwhile Kroges and the Nooklear Milkman are busy trying to out stupid each other regarding the Deeming woman.
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My great uncle served in New Guinea in 1944 – 45. He wrote in his diary that the policy of shooting Japanese who were attempting to surrender using the airdropped leaflets, is yielding the results one would expect. Is that a war crime?
Yes. It’s also stupid.
Dr BG – the Aussies lost many men to “surrendering” Japanese, who especially liked to conceal a hand grenade with the pin pulled out. After a while the guys decided not to take chances.
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Well done to TaliDan for banning the antifa infiltrators’ main tactic.
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Thank you Knuckle Dragger and Top Ender for your news from up north.
Makes me think how lucky we are to not live in those places where there is seemingly no hope.
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Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
March 20, 2023 at 7:15 pm
Forgot to mention too – more and more people simply steal. From supermarkets at automatic check-outs and by other ‘shoplifting’. And by opportunistically taking anything left lying around.
And then there’s applying for handouts. Charities are overwhelmed.
And it is not unknown for some to register with more than one charity, so collecting multiple handouts.
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Kind of appropriate for Moira to have the surname Deeming.
There’s been a set of assumptions straight out of the woke playbook used to assess her.
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Regarding the charged SAS trooper.
Never heard of his case or that incident before. However saw a news clip this evening which showed footage of an incident which appears to have been the one for which he has been charged. Man on the ground in a wheat field not firing but not 100% clear if armed.
Reminded me of the shooting after guys got out of the helicopter. This footage showed less of what happened prior but again I was left thinking why they kept the footage that could be used against them in the future.
Unfortunately they do not appear to have had any concept that such incidents might catch them out years later. No doubt such shootings at the time were investigated and cleared but without access to the footage. They just assumed everything was covered as a war zone.
I definitely support the SAS but I despair that they kept footage that showed some incidents very hard to defend in a court of law. They certainly would contradict evidence they would have given in Afghanistan not long after the shooting.
Black Ball
And monty still carries water for degenerate perverts. And has yet to denounce that ‘trans woman’ from his own side.
m0nty=fa has yet to provide a definition of “Woman”. It all seems to be too hard for a brilliant BEc (Fail), BJ’ism (who cares).
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And it is not unknown for some to register with more than one charity, so collecting multiple handouts.
Your M.O., eh SpongeBob?
Oh God.
The Vatican in South Australia.
Bob Hawke’s childhood home to be open to overnight visitors and public events from
Bob Hawke’s childhood home in Bordertown, South Australia, will be opened for overnight visitor accommodation and used for public events as soon as September this year.
Visitors to the remote town where Hawke was born in 1929 and lived until 1935 will be able to rent the former bank-turned-Congregational manse for short stays and it will also be used for students and artists-in-residence.
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Bruce of Ncl
Dr BG – the Aussies lost many men to “surrendering” Japanese, who especially liked to conceal a hand grenade with the pin pulled out. After a while the guys decided not to take chances.
That started as early as Milne Bay in August 1942, when wounded or supposedly dead Japanese picked up weapons when left to be collected by the medical staff, and shot their captors in the back as they advanced further.
Also, the obvious evidence of Japanese atrocities (torturing Australians and Papuans to death, cannibalism) there and on the Kokoda Trail did not encourage tender feelings.
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Kind of appropriate for Moira to have the surname Deeming.
There’s been a set of assumptions straight out of the woke playbook used to assess her.
The DeemSter is pretty Woke herself.
While on Melton Council, she moved several times [unsuccessfully] for council to build separate Trans lavatories.
One former Liberal staffer described her Upper House preselection last year as Katherine Deves 2.0.
Is she a Lezzo?
They’re Box Office poison out in Voterland, you know?
Dr BG – the Aussies lost many men to “surrendering” Japanese, who especially liked to conceal a hand grenade with the pin pulled out. After a while the guys decided not to take chances.
Fair enough. I’d do the same.
Likewise the presumption of guilty intentions of many an apparently non military bloke in a war zone. Also, going and asking the relatives of combatants and assuming that the answers are truthful is manifestly idiotic or deliberately malicious. I get all that.
All the same, I’d like to be able to trust our side to be the good guys. I’m not convinced either way.
the policy of shooting Japanese who were attempting to surrender using the airdropped leaflets, is yielding the results one would expect. Is that a war crime?
Absolutely!
I’ve read that some of the Japanese who ‘surrendered’ came with booby traps prepared, but is that any more deceitful than dropping false hope to desperate men?
It certainly tarnished the the righteous image of ‘the bronzed Aussie soldier’ a tad.
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Building separate Trans Loos is not a bad idea. At least the ladies is kept for women.
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From a gruinaid reporting on the incident…
Despite Mr Pesutto saying it was the involvement of neo-Nazis that prompted action, others within the party said her expulsion would be viewed as a result of her stance on transgender rights.
They warned it risked alienating some of the party’s base.
The Lib party base is cocks in frocks? Dykes on Bikes? Toddlers in transition?
Has anyone told Menzies?
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“At least the ladies is kept for women.”
But therein lies the rub, they don’t want that. They want to invade our spaces.
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“At least the ladies is kept for women.”
But therein lies the rub, they don’t want that. They want to invade our spaces.
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The Lib party base is cocks in frocks? Dykes on Bikes? Toddlers in transition?
It’s a broad church.
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I’d like to be able to trust our side to be the good guys.
Precisely.
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Dr BG – the Aussies lost many men to “surrendering” Japanese, who especially liked to conceal a hand grenade with the pin pulled out. After a while the guys decided not to take chances.
There is nothing “fair” about war. Stop trying to pretend there is.
BTW, watched a Youtube vid the other night on 75 Squadron RAAF defence of Port Moresby in 1942.
Introduced by Geoffrey Robertson but don’t let that put you off. Recommended.
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“The Lib party base is cocks in frocks? Dykes on Bikes? Toddlers in transition?
And various assorted fetishists and furries.
To be honest, watching Pussoto on Credlin, I felt embarrassed for him. He’s a weasel.
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I’m glad Bolt and Latham have mended fences. I wonder if they reconnected at Cardinal Pell’s funeral (both attended). If so, that would be nice, I’m sure Cardinal Pell is looking down from heaven smiling.
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To be honest, watching [Pesutto] on Credlin, I felt embarrassed for him. He’s a weasel.
I see Ms. Keen-Minshull has asked for a public apology or she’ll sue for defamation in regard to the Nazi slurs.
Some important learnings headed his way.
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Building separate Trans Loos is not a bad idea.
At huge cost to the Aussie taxpayer for a tiny percent of the population. But I doubt that there’s any alternative, although the trans will be furious that we’ve removed their reason to be furious.
And while we’re at it, might as well establish trans only sporting events so that all those brave athletes can compete against similarly matched competitors, instead of puny women. And with the number of trans kids soaring, drag hag story hour can be exclusively for all those kiddies: no boring cissies allowed.
97% of the population should not have to adjust their morals to accommodate the other 3%.
H/T Kaysee from Dash Cat.
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Another good point of having separate Tans Loos is there’s little cleaning and maintenance required as there’s bugger all Trans people around in reality.
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I see Ms. Keen-Minshull has asked for a public apology or she’ll sue for defamation in regard to the Nazi slurs.
That would be lovely. I’ll tell my mate, a defamation specialist, to get in touch with her.
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
John Stuart Mill – English economist & philosopher (1806 – 1873)
Chapter 1. Lethality in Combat – a study of the true nature of battle
This book was written for a number of reasons. The first is that it seeks to illustrate the truth of combat. It sets out to destroy several myths, and to understand the true nature of lethal behaviour in war.
It also seeks to counter an attitude that seems to have developed amongst some people that lethal behaviour in battle is somehow wrong. Joanna Bourke, for example, in An Intimate History of Killing, said that she aimed to “put killing back into military history” , and presents to her readers her disgust that armies and soldiers have undergone a “monstrous and multifarious celebration of violence”. Of course they did, and they still should – if they want to survive and to win. The whole point of warfare is be lethal, and that means the training for combat must concentrate on making people into killers. Indeed, what Burke condemns, in a “celebration of violence” is to be applauded, for only by being enthusiastic about their task can those placed in the actuality of combat survive.
The studies of SLA Marshall in World War II suggested that troops have an aversion to taking life. As a result, a more positive attitude towards being lethal was introduced in many armed forces, with more aggression worked into initial training; dehumanising of the enemy to make better targeting, and greater firepower introduced into the battlefield. Marshall may well be right in that soldiers may begin their combat experience with aversion. But that must be changed, and usually is changed, to make those charged with dealing in death more capable. Successful soldiers in battle are killers, and they must be determined to kill.
Warfare is about exterminating the enemy. It is unpleasant for some, and for others it probably is the ultimate “high”. Nevertheless, it is sometimes necessary for countries to go to war. And when they do, it is foolish to go into combat with too many restrictions: the idea is to win, with as minimal a cost to your side as possible. But films such as Platoon portray the infantry soldier in a negative light: he is sinning; he is doing bad things; he is to be condemned. It has become fashionable to attack those who go too far, such as Lieutenant Calley in Vietnam, without considering what sort of constraints and demands were placed on those soldiers, and what system allowed them to do what are undeniably bad things. The aggression unleashed by modern warriors is debated by people sitting at home, who have the wars of today beamed into their lounge rooms, and who find it easy and fashionable to criticise their own soldiers for firing at retreating Iraqi troops. Political parties and the United Nations insist on placing foolish Rules of Engagement on the soldier in combat. A “Green” political party announces that it will save money by getting rid of the “offensive” capabilities of a country’s armed force. A soldier is charged with “kicking an enemy corpse” after combat. Another is branded a murderer on the front page of national newspapers for ensuring that a wounded non-uniformed guerilla is actually dead by shooting him when he stirs. British soldiers on duty in Iraq cynically suggest they need a solicitor with them before they shoot back at any Iraqi who attacks them.
Bourke presents us with instances such as “In 1955 two senior American officers directed that ‘the killing of an individual enemy with a rifle, grenade, bayonet – yes, even the bare hands – is the mission of the Army’”. Her tone suggests that sort of behaviour is wrong; worthy of condemnation, evil, and to be outlawed. This book suggests a dichotomous alternative – that it is correct, to be practised with eagerness, and carried out efficiently. That is what soldiers are for, and that is what they fight for – to survive and to win. The reader must suspend their aversion and horror to examine and understand the true face of battle.
This book looks at infantry fighting, tactical aviation combat, and submarine attacks on shipping, and argues:
• That while warriors may be initially reluctant to engage in taking life, once combat is joined and the first fatality inflicted, they are more lethal than we usually suppose;
• Many engage in inflicting death with ferocity, and that indeed to be effective, soldiers need to be “enthusiastic warriors”;
• That while public revulsion at the trade of the soldier is a facet of first battles, as the civilian defendants are targeted they become more sympathetic to the soldier’s creed and necessary behaviour in battle;
• Many soldiers fail to take surrender, and prisoners are often shot out of hand rather than taken. This is often unavoidable, and sometimes even military necessity;
• The dead enemy are often mistreated, and this may well be normal behaviour;
• If combatants can possibly be confused with civilians, then civilians are routinely despatched;
• Such scenarios are part of all tactical combat, and further examples are given from the areas of aviation and submarine warfare;
• Such scenarios are part of normal battle, and cannot be easily discarded, without psychological disadvantage to those who avoid the truth of battle;
• That given such lethality, the concept of “rules of war” are questionable;
• That if these behaviours normally occur, then most warriors engage in war crimes;
• That if this condition is unavoidable, then the concept of tactical war crimes is flawed.
The work is a request for a change in the conventions and rules of warfare. It is not encouragement for ferocious combat without some semblance of rules or pity, but to correct what the author perceives are inconsistencies and illogicalities.
Shakespeare gave us the line “Cry ‘Havoc’, and let slip the dogs of war”. We need to reevaluate our understanding of what happens when the dogs of war are let off the leash. If we want lethality from warriors, then we will also have to understand the human nature of the warriors that we let go: they will kill with ferocity, and the genie cannot be put back in the bottle.
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“Some important learnings headed his way.”
Teachable moment.
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Jumping to conclusions without even identifying who the Black Shorts are.
Well done political leaders.
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Despite Mr Pesutto saying it was the involvement of neo-Nazis that prompted action, others within the party said her expulsion would be viewed as a result of her stance on transgender rights.
Moira Deeming is as Woke as they get, that’s the turnoff for the Liberal Party base.
Where those rights stop for her is Womens Toilets and she wants everyone to know about it.
The woman is an embarrassment, whoever was behind her preselection [David Davis?] needs a boot up the arse.
Pesutto is what happens when you convince yourself that betraying your supporters are a viable political strategy.
They’ve been doing it since 1975 but a line was crossed in 2015 imo.
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There’s no soaring numbers of Trans kids.
There’s a lot of teen female psychosis going on and very few boys except the gay ones who’ve been told that they should be medically mutated into a facsimile of a woman instead of just being a gay guy.
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Richard Cranium
While on Melton Council, she moved several times [unsuccessfully] for council to build separate Trans lavatories.
One former Liberal staffer described her Upper House preselection last year as Katherine Deves 2.0.
“One former Liberal staffer”. Is that like “sources say”? Is that the usual standard of “evidence” that you accept?
Economic catallaxians,
can anyone understand what this bird is explaining? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y67IP6XTPc&t=2833s
It’s supposedly a rationale for how non-linear relationships between wealth and production can result in a poverty trap, but I don’t understand what the diagram means and how she justifies the horizontal moves from one day’s work to the next day’s wealth.
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“Some important learnings headed his way.”
Yes please. Lawyers need to be called in. I watched him on Credlin and quite frankly, he’s a embarrassment and a complete and utter f*ckwit. Worse than Matthew Guy.
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I think Deeming is supporting women’s rights and not trans rights. Her push to have trans toilets I take as support for women.
However pretty sure activist and perhaps fake trans would still want to use women’s toilets even if trans toilets available. To them using women’s toilets makes them female even if still have a penis.
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rosiesays:
March 20, 2023 at 8:30 pm
Jumping to conclusions without even identifying who the Black Shorts are.
Well done political leaders.
Seems pretty certain that at least some of the police present know exactly who they are.
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It has become fashionable to attack those who go too far, such as Lieutenant Calley in Vietnam, without considering what sort of constraints and demands were placed on those soldiers, and what system allowed them to do what are undeniably bad things.
What Calley did in Vietnam was wrong.
I understand that soldiers have to be trained to kill, but they can reasonably be expected to kill some people and not others. Just shrugging your shoulders when they kill women and children isn’t good enough. I’d have more sympathy if they killed their officers. The officers are a bigger personal threat.
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War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
John Stuart Mill – English economist & philosopher (1806 – 1873)
Ah, yes…Mill; yet another of those damned liberals.
There’s no soaring numbers of Trans kids.
Quite so, Gez. What I should have said is: the soaring Munchausen by proxy single mothers who are desperately craving approval and relevance by mutilating their children.
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Seems pretty certain that at least some of the police present know exactly who they are.
Pretty obvious it’s a Spook production, Cletus.
Deeming was dressed in black, giving a speech on the steps, flanked by masked spooks dressed in black and banners proclaiming Death To Cletus, but it’s okay because she’s just a stupid dope.
Is that it?
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What Calley did in Vietnam was wrong.
I’ve read accounts of that war, which condemned Calley and his men but drew a veil over, for example, the murder of six thousand South Vietnamese civilians after the fall of Hue, in the 1968 Tet offensive.
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The Calley massacre
Lieutenant William Calley, the US Army 2nd Lieutenant officer who was held responsible for the My Lai massacre in Vietnam, put his experience into his own words after his trial. The account is significant.
Calley’s troops were sniped at from Vietnamese villages, but they hardly made any contact with the enemy. They searched hamlets; found friendly villagers, but then found Vietcong flags. Calley was constantly asked what his unit’s body count was. They took reprisals for being sniped at, burning villages down. He interrogated civilians for the locations of the VC, and got nowhere.
Calley took a VC prisoner; sent him to the military police, who got nothing out of him, and Calley took the same prisoner again three weeks later. On querying this with the MPs he was told: “…So why didn’t you go and shoot him? I can’t,” the MP said. “I’m at headquarters with the Geneva people on me.” The MP complained about having to house and feed prisoners, and accept their word that they were not VC. He finished up by advising Calley to shoot his prisoners if he didn’t want to see them released.
This frustration was commented upon by Second Lieutenant Robert Ransom Jr, an infantry platoon commander in Vietnam. He noted that:
…more than once we have captured or killed people with weapons whom we recognized as one of those smiling faces we had picked up and released earlier. It’s maddening because we know damn well that they’re dinks but we can’t do anything to them until we catch them with a weapon or actually shooting at us.
Despite these sort of difficult situations for himself and his men, Calley did not execute “suspected VC” or civilians in the field. He says however, that: “Everyone said eliminate them. I never met someone who didn’t say it”. Then his troops lost a squad leader to a booby trap set in a village; killed an injured Vietnamese woman in reprisal, and then planned their response. According to the court-martial record, Captain Medina told the preliminary briefing that the women and children would be out of the hamlet and all they could expect to encounter would be the opposition. The soldiers were to explode brick homes, set fire to thatch homes, shoot livestock, poison wells, and destroy the enemy. The soldiers, approximately 75 in number, would be supported in their assault by gunship pilots.
Medina later said he did not give any instructions as to what to do with women and children in the village. Some soldiers agreed with that recollection, others thought that he had ordered them to kill every person in the village. It does seem that Medina intentionally gave the impression that everyone in My Lai would be their enemy. As we have seen, women, children, and old people in Vietnam sometimes could be.
On 16 March, 1968, when landing from helicopters, the troops took ground fire. They began killing civilians; at first one by one in different ways, and in different areas; then more, and then many together in a ravine. Several soldiers testified they killed the civilians: in one case the witness said he regarded them as Viet Cong, and added during testimony, that he still did. Calley was in tactical command on the spot, and it seems he took part in the shooting of around 500 civilians, executed by single shots; and bursts of automatic gunfire. By lunchtime, there was no-one left alive.
With the operation over, Calley and his men returned to normal operations. In Calley’s account, there was developing a casual attitude towards death, and the general feeling was to
…kill every man, woman and child in South Vietnam. GIs said to use napalm, or low-yield atomic bombs…or to line up along the China sea and say, “Prepare to shake hands with your ancestors. We are rolling through….a GI became a quick philosopher and would say, “God, if I go and kill everyone here, I could leave”.
Some while later, after two of the men present had complained of the actions, Calley was transported back to the United States and tried. He was found guilty, and served a period – under three years – in an Army prison, and was then released. He is still alive, and works in his father’s jewelry business.
During the trial, and after it, he received considerable support from around America, which included letters from numerous veterans. This was for a variety of reasons, perhaps partly because in Richard Holmes’ words, with the advent of television beaming the conflict into lounger-rooms “War has become moving wallpaper, and its familiar pattern no longer horrifies us” , but also because, in summing up many arguments, such procedures were acknowledged as being the norm. In His Own Story, Calley recounted that he had received around “5000” letters during the period of his trial. He listed some of the statements in which some recounted events similar to the massacre:
I served in Korea from June 1953 to August 1954. I heard of many similar incidents.
I’m a retired marine. I spent twenty years in the service of God and Country. I was in two operations in Korea where women and children were killed.
In 1943, 1944, 1945, and 1946 I was a first lieutenant with 45th Infantry Division. I was witness to many incidents similar to the one you’re being held for.
I served in combat in the German war. My fellow soldiers and I did on occasion kill enemy soldiers, civilians and children. Marquess of Queensbury rules do not prevail in war.
During my duty in Africa we were under orders to shoot the Arabs to keep them from taking our clothes.
I was given the order to seal a cave where a mother and her eleven or twelve children were holed up. This took place in 1944 on the island of Ie Shima.
On Okinawa, I saw men throw grenades on old men and women, figuring what the hell – they’re the enemy…
Many years ago I had a platoon, and we went through the villages as you and your people had to.
Calley recounted that he was amazed that he had been charged when it was common practice to target civilians:
I couldn’t understand it. An investigation of Mylai. Why not Operation Golden Fleece? Or Operation Norfolk? Or Operation Dragon Valley? Or why not Saigon itself? We had killed hundreds of men, women and children there in February and March, 1968: in Tet…simply read it in Stars and Stripes. Or the New York Times.
His allegation that such massacres were carried out is supported by others. Cherokee Paul McDonald said of his Vietnam experience: “Both sides had their My Lais – ours were rare and highly publicized, theirs were continuous throughout the war and after and largely dismissed, ignored, defended, or rationalised by brave intellectuals.”
David Hackworth, who commanded Tiger Force, although not in the period covered by The Toledo Blade, supported this scenario:
“Vietnam was an atrocity from the get-go,” Hackworth said in a recent telephone interview. “It was that kind of war, a frontless war of great frustration. It was out of hand very early. There were hundreds of My Lais. You got your card punched by the numbers of bodies you counted.
The US Army today refers to these incidents as “misconduct stress behaviour” and notes without ironical inflexion that: “…overstressed human beings with loaded weapons are inherently dangerous”. Its Handbook gives examples of such frustration in the field and also orders:
Commission of murder and other atrocities against noncombatants must be reported as a war crime and punished if responsibility is established. This must be done even though we may pity the overstressed soldier as well as the victims.
A central point of this work though is that if infantry are placed in a situation where civilians may be identified as combatants, then those soldiers will doubtless make mistakes and kill civilians who are not combatants. The politicians – and behind them the people – who make the decisions to send warriors into such situations need to accept their part of this responsibility.
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: the soaring Munchausen by proxy single mothers who are desperately craving approval and relevance by mutilating their children.
That’s not quite right either.
The figures from America show 99% of those seeking Gender reassignment are teenage girls, probably with some genetic disorder which means they won’t be having kids anyway.
Male to Female sex change is essentially an impossibility that results in a grisly death, though it’s still occasionally attempted.
Anyone heard of Group Captain Catherine McGregor lately? She’s been quiet.
What I should have said is: the soaring Munchausen by proxy single mothers who are desperately craving approval and relevance by mutilating their children.
At least it’s got them off the Ritalin.
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Taylor Sheridan, the writer of Yellowstone and its tough as nails precursors, also wrote the Siccaro movies, arguably the best of their kind. The guy certainly doesn’t bother with sentiment.
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Calley was in tactical command on the spot, and it seems he took part in the shooting of around 500 civilians, executed by single shots; and bursts of automatic gunfire. By lunchtime, there was no-one left alive.
This part is incorrect.
Lt. Calley was not on the scene that day, the order was given by another Lieutenant, who was KIA a coupla days later.
Calley was a Scapegoat.
This account also fails to mention that the murdering G.I.s were all Black soldiers
Berka
It is about smoothing income. The vertical to horizontal moves are income shifting in one period.
I know she’s well credentialed but it is too blackboard-ey for me.
Read the Elsevier Handbook on Developmental Economics. Hard data, not theoretical models.
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“Hello, I’m Mister Ed”
A horse is a horse, of course, of course,
And no one can talk to a horse of course
That is, of course, unless the horse is the famous Mr. Ed.
Go right to the source and ask the horse
He’ll give you the answer that you’ll endorse.
He’s always on a steady course.
Talk to Mr. Ed.
People yakkity yak a streak and waste your time of day
But Mister Ed will never speak unless he has something to say.
A horse is a horse, of course, of course,
And this one’ll talk ’til his voice is hoarse.
You never heard of a talking horse?
Well listen to this.
I am Mister Ed.
h/t Jay Livingston and Ray Evans
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Have you finished the days moisturising Groogs? And got a few packets of silica gel for Mother.
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Also missing from Calley’s account [which is understandable, since he wasn’t present], were the Rapes and Pack Rapes committed by the Black Troops.
The politicians – and behind them the people – who make the decisions to send warriors into such situations need to accept their part of this responsibility.
They never do or will.
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Ed, I’m not going to talk to you about this. Saying ridiculous things like Calley was not present on the day is just trying to get a rise. If you want to start throwing your new version of any story into a debate then you need sources.
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Calley got Life, Nixon Pardoned him the following day.
Basically, it was a shitshow.
Nixon was sitting on stats that showed massive Black criminality, he’d fudged the 1970 Census Data by including the Hispanic category for the first time, which lowered the Black population numbers, but also his some Black Crime stats among the hispanic category.
The last thing he wanted was for the Calley Trial to canvass the appalling brutality of Black troops during American involvement in
the Vietnam War.
Ed, I’m not going to talk to you about this.
Good idea.
By the way, where are your sources, and how accurate are they, since they failed to mention a couple of very controversial aspects?
These slurs from the lib leader in victoristan, the filth and various media scum against the ladies protesting trannies are going to end up in court.
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Top Ender says:
March 20, 2023 at 8:28 pm
This is the introduction to my Lethality in Combat, sans footnotes:
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse.
The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
John Stuart Mill – English economist & philosopher (1806 – 1873)
Chapter 1. Lethality in Combat – a study of the true nature of battle
Thanks to the work of Garson O’Toole, the famous Quote Investigator, and other experts listed in the blog post for this episode, here’s a chronological look at what happened, and how the quote came to be “Orwell-ized.”
Let’s start with Kipling. The basic ideas behind this quote started with him.
Parts of Kipling’s 1890 poem entitled “Tommy” (referring to “Tommy Atkins,” the British slang for a common soldier) were about the all-too-common late-Victorian habit of making fun of common soldiers. In working-class lingo, Kipling wrote that people were:
O makin’ mock o’ uniforms that guard you while you sleep.
Fifty-ish years later, George Orwell wrote an essay that referred to this Kipling poem. There, Orwell wrote:
A humanitarian is always a hypocrite, and Kipling’s understanding of this is perhaps the central secret of his power to create telling phrases. It would be difficult to hit off the one-eyed pacifism of the English in fewer words than in the phrase, ‘making mock of uniforms that guard you while you sleep’.
He sees clearly that men can only be highly civilized while other men, inevitably less civilized, are there to guard and feed them.
(Collected Essays of George Orwell, 1942.)
Although he used the concept in other pieces during World War II, what I just quoted is as close as Orwell got to the wording of the quote we’re looking at today.
Then, in 1963, John Le Carré’s novel, The Spy Who Came in from the Cold, included the central character, “Control” (for those in the know about Le Carré’s work). In one particularly reflective moment, Control justified Cold War spying by saying to a colleague:
Thus we do disagreeable things, but we are defensive. That, I think, is still fair. We do disagreeable things so that ordinary people here and elsewhere can sleep safely in their beds at night. (p. 19)
It’s not clear whether Le Carré’s “Control” was deliberately invoking Kipling. But it’s highly probable that the Orwell version of the Kipling idea was well known enough that Le Carré could slide it into his character’s dialog easily, and be relatively confident his readers would know and understand the provenance.
As far as the experts can determine, the phrase was next uttered in the US Congress in 1967. Representative L. Mendel Rivers from South Carolina said:
I wish some way could be found to get into the heads of those who carry out pacifist and so-called anti-Vietnam demonstrations the truth of George Orwell’s words about pacifism in our time:
“One can only abjure violence because others are prepared to endure violence on their behalf.”
But the crucial attribution was made by right-wing columnist, Richard Grenier. In 1993, he wrote:
When the country is in danger, the military’s mission is to wreak destruction upon the enemy. It’s a harsh and bloody business, but that’s what the military’s for. As George Orwell pointed out, people sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
This is a paraphrase of the two quotations I gave from Orwell earlier, and Grenier didn’t put it in quotation marks so he probably meant it as a summation of Orwell’s thoughts.
From there, the Grenier version of the quote was repeated in the National Review in 1997. And then, that famous (and, in my Buzzkill opinion, too-highly-regarded) George Will used the Grenier version in his newspaper column in 1998. Will wrote:
Remember George Orwell’s unminced words: “We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.” (Chicago Sun-Times, 21 Nov 1998)
Ironically, Orwell’s ideas had indeed been minced by various people up to and including Grenier. But once George Will says it, it’s more or less set in stone, especially by those who consider him some sort of sage. So, to “quote” Groucho Marx (or was it Mark Twain, or maybe Yogi Berra?), from there we were off to the races. The quote was used again and again during the War on Terror in the early 21st century (when it was also wrongly attributed to Churchill), and it’s been with us as accepted wisdom ever since and repeated ad nauseum.
My conclusion, therefore, is the same as Garson O’Toole’s: the concept was certainly Orwell’s, but the phrasing was Richard Grenier’s. Is this pedantry, or is the distinction between the two important?
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There’s no soaring numbers of Trans kids
there may not be where you are, but there is around here
I see Ed is spraying flatus from his gob.
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And there it is- Ed-Mong being a racist turd. Again.
Designed to be linked to some lefty nest of internet clippings to show “ this site is racist”
Also
The little fact photographic evidence shows you are a lying liar lying lyingly doesn’t embarrass you?
Ed Casesays:
March 20, 2023 at 8:50 pm
Seems pretty certain that at least some of the police present know exactly who they are.
Pretty obvious it’s a Spook production, Cletus.
Deeming was dressed in black, giving a speech on the steps, flanked by masked spooks dressed in black and banners proclaiming
Death To Cletus, but it’s okay because she’s just a stupid dope.
Is that it?
Are you on drugs?
And where is your evidence of Curtin’s alleged treachery?
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The figures from America show 99% of those seeking Gender reassignment are teenage girls, probably with some genetic disorder which means they won’t be having kids anyway.
Dr Richard Cranium diagnoses genetic disorders from thousands of kilometres away. He’s a genius, just ask him, he’ll tell you.
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“These slurs from the lib leader in victoristan, the filth and various media scum against the ladies protesting trannies are going to end up in court.”
I really, truly ruly hope so.
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These slurs from the lib leader in victoristan, the filth and various media scum against the ladies protesting trannies are going to end up in court.
About as likely as sightings of the Loch Ness monster.
Only one masked black shirt has gotta come forward with the story of who paid him and it’s all over.
Top Endersays:
March 20, 2023 at 9:14 pm
Ed, I’m not going to talk to you about this. Saying ridiculous things like Calley was not present on the day is just trying to get a rise. If you want to start throwing your new version of any story into a debate then you need sources.
Dick Ed don’t do sources. He does fiction.
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Richard Cranium
Only one masked black shirt has gotta come forward with the story of who paid him and it’s all over.
Exxxxxcelllllent! Dick Ed has discovered why the police simply escorted them away, rather than arresting them.
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theirs were continuous throughout the war and after and largely dismissed, ignored, defended, or rationalised by brave intellectuals
Rationalised by brave intellectuals.
Here’s my rationalisation – if an enemy deliberately seeds women, children and other noncombatants within their ranks, and then counts on their opposition going into combat half-hearted knowing that, and those noncombatants are killed in the process:
It’s on the enemy. Not the opposition that kill them. The enemy.
The End.
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About as likely as sightings of the Loch Ness monster.
Ah yes, the Loch Ness precedent. What a fu.king legal scholar you are crotchless.
Only one masked black shirt has gotta come forward with the story of who paid him and it’s all over.
The role of infantry is to seek out and close with the enemy, to kill or capture him, to seize and hold ground and to repel attack by day or night, regardless of season, weather or terrain.
Nowhere in there is anything about holding conferences mid-assault to determine who is what, or pressing reset buttons (hello all Call of Duty fans). The goal is:
1. See above;
2. Ensuring the people you are with survive; and
3. Ensuring you survive.
In that order. If there is doubt, they don’t get out.
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John Stuart Mill, as quoted by TE at 8.30:
The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
mUnter!
Get in here!
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NSW Law society all in for the screech:
Wonder how much pro bono work this woman has done, representing the bashed women and abused children, in places like Bourke and Wilcannia.
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The role of infantry is to seek out and close with the enemy, to kill or capture him, to seize and hold ground and to repel attack by day or night, regardless of season, weather or terrain.
+100
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The Vic liberal leader that spouted off is too stupid for politics if he did it outside of parliament.
Gain-of-function research in Australia: Why the secrecy? – Senate Estimates Feb/Mar 2023
Senator Gerard Rennick
Thanks P.
So, looks like I’ll be seig-heiling with a Black Power glove on next demo
I still contend if it takes that long to charge someone for a murder after they’ve been accused then you’re already pushing shit uphill.
Rape was a capital crime in NSW until 1955.
I think “losing Womens Spaces” is a red herring here.
What we should be fighting to remain in control of, is the right of the parent, or common man in the street for that matter, to say “put some clothes on and get out of my children’s school, sports team, main street…” ie to get flaaaming perversity out of public life.
We might get reasonably secure changerooms and toilets, but Pride round, Pride month, Pride march, Pride workshops, Rainbow schoolrooms, not to mention surgically and pseudo-hormonally deranged she-males rampaging through women’s sports… they can, and will, still trample the wreckage of what was once a perfectly sensible civilization.
Barry at ALP camps it was sport.
What a timeline.
I was speaking to dad about this this morning. He asked what that was all about in the city. I told him women protesting double mastectomies for teenage girls or single sex toilets is akin to Nazism now according to the political class. He gave me the most dumbfounded look I’ve seen, esp. re the former. Couldn’t believe it.
Proud of being Freaks. So mentally deranged they think everyone has to be like them.
Looks like we’ve had an upgrade.
Page turns seamlessly and no more hanging of comments.
Thanks Dover.
Telling that the fat man has gone quiet on the Nazi story already.
Quiet Part, Out Loud – Polish Ambassador Warns If Ukraine Not Successful NATO Will Join War Against Russia
March 19, 2023 | Sundance
KD
They just held a presser. Same car, same people. Knocked back at the first, glass the staff. Knocked back at the second, kill the staff. All done according to 60,000 years of culture.
Three in the bin, one hit with a moida beef.
Told youse.
Dick Ed fails again.
I thought the Poles were the smarter ones in that part of the world?
Obviously not.
On Galadriel as a “Mary” character, I would have picked Mélian from the Silmarillian as a bit closer. Galadriel left Valinor under a cloud, with all the other exiles – they were expressly forbidden to go, but go they did. She saw the wide lands of Middle Earth as an opportunity to rule a kingdom.
The “long defeat” she talks about fighting was not just against Morgoth and his lieutenant Sauron, but was a result of the curse of the Noldor. At the time of LotR, she was the oldest elf on Middle Earth, having existed from before the rising of Sun or Moon. Incidentally, she was also Elrond’s mother in law. 😀
Another fun bit of elvish trivia…Galadriel has no strand of the divine in her lineage, but Elrond, Arwen and Aragorn do, being descendants of Melian.
I shall leave you with this.
Diogenessays:
March 20, 2023 at 1:44 pm
How do you go about banning a “salute” ? ..
Do a first instead of a flat hand and it is no longer the Nazis salute, but rather the communist/anarchist one.
And scratch your upper lip at the same time?
A relic from the days of patriarchy when we are assured women we oppressed and treated as worthless.
I suppose the argument that the left would urgently cobble together against the above is that women were someone’s property so the crime was not against the woman but some male ‘owner’, although why would you execute a man for something worth less than a man, who was not only still alive but also still available for the carnal appetites of men?
Personally I would say that it was an enduring dedication to notions of chivalry. In days past there was a reverence for women. It was the height of honour to charge into certain death to save a woman.
But, in 1955, the government voted to make rape no longer a capital case. They had to articulate their case against it. This would have been around the beginning of the Women’s movement I would think. Was that part of it? Pulling women down to the mundanity of mere biology without the special status accorded by centuries of gallant refinement.
Women insisted on being equal to men in the most unedifying ways they could – they could knock back grog like a bloke (they couldn’t really), could swear like them, and shagged promiscuously. Nothing to revere there. And, at the same time, guys stopped making the effort too. Once they would start saving for a family as soon as they got paid, they would make the effort to restrain their coarser habits in a woman’s presence, they would even make a point of dressing ‘up’ if going out in public.
But I hear there is a bit of a ‘traditional wife’ movement going about. I wonder if this might reverse the trend. I think guys would actually enjoy treating their wives (or at least women) as something precious and just need to know how, and to feel they are allowed.
(Funny thing is that I expect feminists again believe that rape should be given the most extreme punishment on the books.)
The proposal is to ban the Nazi salute, yet burning the Australian flag is all good?
On the LOTRs, I also thought the “men of the East” was a reference to Islam who are out to destroy the “men of the West?”
I never read it anywhere, I just presumed…
But, in 1955, the government voted to make rape no longer a capital case. They had to articulate their case against it. This would have been around the beginning of the Women’s movement I would think. Was that part of it? Pulling women down to the mundanity of mere biology without the special status accorded by centuries of gallant refinement.
Capital Punishment for Rape in NSW was abolished in 1910, Sir Galahad.
1840 in the U.K.
Us v Them.
Timeless; a convenient and flexible tactic.
In the current climate of ‘othering’ as retail politics, broadscale outright lies and deception by people in positions of trust, and ‘banal pabulum’ (using the 17th c meaning of pabulum) in the public square, it works particularly well.
The only slight problem is that complex reality bites back.
The Nazi salute has been banned in Qld since 1938.
The only exception is Police directing Traffic [to stop].
Franksays:
March 20, 2023 at 2:58 pm
Telling that the fat man has gone quiet on the Nazi story already.
Goering comments here? Oh, sorry, do you mean the fat fascist fool m0nty=fa?
With special traffic paddles.
And crikkit umpires, when they have occasion to signal byes.
Amiright Ed?
And schoolkids volunteering to answer questions in classrooms.
And people changing lightbulbs in public places.
And footballers standing on the mark.
In Back to the Future news:
The Air Force’s Hypersonic Scramjet Missile Aced Its Final Test, Beautifully
In other news, monthly production from the Irkutsk No. 7 Tractor Factory increased by 792%…
Lysandersays:
March 20, 2023 at 3:26 pm
On the LOTRs, I also thought the “men of the East” was a reference to Islam who are out to destroy the “men of the West?”
I never read it anywhere, I just presumed…
Peter Jackson had them arriving in ships rigged with lateen sails, the same as in Arab dhows.
Yeah, if they make the nazi salute a criminal offence,
make the law retrospective, please
Tolkien nerds are the worst nerds, Lysander.
The Men of the West are the descendants of the Nümenorians, the Land of the Star given to them after the defeat of Morgoth.
The Men of the East are the ones left behind in Middle Earth. Some fell into degradation and evil (as Sauron still endured and grew again in power), others simply became rusticated (like the Men of Rohan).
During the War of the Ring, the Easterlings differentiated themselves by siding with Sauron, as did the folk displaced by the Men of Rohan who sided with Saruman.
In the south, the Men of Harad became allies of Sauron. Long before, he had mastered them from his base in Numenor by using Numerorean men he had drawn to himself and corrupted. This also included the Numenorean king, a distant relative of Elrond.
It’s complicated, and that’s how Tolkien liked it. He was having some fun with his sub-creation after all.
Whew! 6,000kmph!!!
When can I get me one and when will these speeds be applied to commercial airliners 😛
Calli have you read the Simarillion all the way through? I got a 1/4 of the way through it, found it challenging, IIRC tried to power through the next 1/12th and gave up at about 1/3.
Our garage nasties wear shorts? Wodehouse LARPers!
Wiki:
Roderick Spode, 7th Earl of Sidcup, often known as Spode or Lord Sidcup, is a recurring fictional character in the Jeeves novels of English comic writer P. G. Wodehouse. In the first novel in which he appears, he is an “amateur dictator” and the leader of a fictional fascist group in London called the Saviours of Britain, also known as the Black Shorts.
Richard Cranium
Capital Punishment for Rape in NSW was abolished in 1910, Sir Galahad.
1840 in the U.K.
Citations needed.
Hunter Biden Countersues Laptop Repair Shop Owner
“Computer repair shop owner John Paul Mac Isaac was in the wrong place at the wrong time. He found the horrendous, unspeakable content on Hunter Biden’s laptop from hell. John Paul thought he did the right thing by contacting the authorities, but they were in the Biden crime family’s pocket. The FBI stormed his shop and locked away the laptop. No one was permitted to say that the laptop even existed. Now, Hunter Biden is filing legal charges against the computer shop owner for violating his privacy. America is not a democracy; Joe Biden is a tyrant who is above the law.
The nerve these people have where they believe they have the “privacy” to conceal CP and treasonous secrets against the US. The contents of the computer were discovered on June/July 2019, before his dad could be installed as president. Intelligence agencies threatened media platforms such as Facebook and warned them against uncovering the story. Zuckerburg even admitted to censoring any story involving the laptop during Joe Biden’s presidential run. Everyone knows the truth behind the curtain but the public was brainwashed into believing it was all a big lie.
Hunter Biden finally admitted that the laptop was his in February 2023. Actually, he alluded that the laptop could be his in a statement written by his lawyers. So for three years, CNN, NYT, Washington Post, MSNBC, and nearly every media outlet denied that the laptop existed. Believe it or not, they actually tried to blame RUSSIA for Hunter Biden’s depraved recorded behavior.
The shop owner really is innocent in all of this mess, and it shows how the Bidens truly do not care about the average person. The owner looked at the contents of the computer because the laptop owner, who admittedly was using crack cocaine and other illegal drugs at the time, failed to pick it up within 90 days and could not be reached. I can assure you that the contents of that computer would send anyone to jail for a very long time. His father, the sitting US president, would also be sent to jail if this were a just system. Around 67% of the American people wanted Joe Biden impeached over the contents of the laptop before Hunter’s team even admitted it was real. Show the public the truth of Joe Biden’s treasonous involvement before the next election — the people have a right to know who they are voting for.”
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/hunter-biden-countersues-repair-shop-owner/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS
List of men executed for Rape in Queensland:
Chamery – 4 August 1859 – Indigenous. Hanged at Brisbane for the rape of Mary Treatroff at Dugandan.
Dick – 4 August 1859 – Indigenous. Hanged at Brisbane for the rape of Mary Treatroff at Dugandan.
1860s
Georgie – 12 Dec 1861 – Indigenous. Hanged at Brisbane for the rape of Bridget Ryan at Little Ipswich.
Billy – 7 December 1868 – Indigenous. Hanged at Brisbane for the rape of Mary Thompson at Tivoli
Jacob – 17 May 1869 – Indigenous. Hanged at Brisbane for the rape of Jane Knott and Amelia Reichmann at Ideraway.
Jacky Whitton – 7 March 1870 – Indigenous. Hanged at Toowoomba for the rape of thirteen-year-old Henrietta Reiss at Bodumba station near Warwick.
George – 15 May 1871 – Indigenous. Hanged at Rockhampton for the rape of Ellen Manning at Gracemere.
Dugald – 28 May 1872 – Indigenous. Hanged at Brisbane for the rape of twelve-year-old Catherine Hutchinson south of Gympie.
Alick (alias Johnny) – 29 December 1874 – Pacific Islander. Hanged at Brisbane for the rape of eleven-year-old Gertrude Brauer at Doughboy Creek.
Johnny Clayson – 14 April 1875 – Indigenous. Hanged at Rockhampton for the rape of Johanna Kopp at Palmerville.
George – 18 May 1877 – Pacific Islander. Hanged at Maryborough Gaol for the rape of Mrs McBride.
Tommy Ah Mow – 18 May 1877 – Pacific Islander. Hanged at Maryborough for the rape of Mrs. McBride.
1880s
Kagariu (Johnny Campbell) – 16 August 1880 – Indigenous. Bushranger. Hanged at Brisbane for the rape of Jane MacAlister at Kipper Creek, Northbrook
George Byrne – 22 May 1882 – Hanged at Brisbane for the rape of Susan Isaacs in Elizabeth Street, Brisbane
George – 15 October 1883 – Indigenous. Hanged at Boggo Road Gaol for the rape of thirteen-year-old Johanna Anderson at Gracemere
1890s
Donald – 25 April 1892 – Indigenous. Hanged at Boggo Road Gaol for the rape of Eva Scott at Hornet Bank Station near Taroom
Brisbane[31]
1900s to 1910s
William Broome – 11 June 1900 – Indigenous. Hanged at Boggo Road Gaol for the murder of Mary Le Blowitz near Bundaberg
Twadiga – 14 May 1906 – From Gawa Island (now in Papua New Guinea). Hanged at Boggo Road Gaol for the murder of five-year-old William Baulch, at Homebush, near Mackay
Bismarck – 19 April 1909 – Indigenous. Hanged at Boggo Road Gaol for the murder of Janet Evitts at Jundah
George David Silva – 10 June 1912 – Hanged at Boggo Road Gaol for the murder of seventeen-year-old Maud Ching at Alligator Creek, near Hay Point. On the same occasion he also murdered Maud’s younger siblings Teddy, Dolly, Hugh and Winnie, and their mother Agnes
Queensland.
Oh look who joins the bandwagon, the man who, as a 21 year old, wore a Nazi uniform to a party…
“NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet has flagged he is open to banning the Nazi salute in line with his Victorian counterparts.
The Victorian government signalled it would move to outlaw the gesture after neo-Nazis protested in front of the state’s parliament.
Referring to legislation introduced by his government banning Nazi symbols, Mr Perrottet said he would support broadening the ban.
“Yes, open to it obviously,” he said.
“We banned symbols in NSW and led the way on that reform and ultimately there’s no place for that in society.””
You couldn’t make this shit up.
Tell me Russia is stable and Putin is secure?
There are four armies in Russia, one more than when Henry VII and Richard III fought at Bosworth (Lancastrians, Yorkists and Stanleys).
Russian military
Wagner PMC
Gazprom PMC
Russian Orthodox Church PMC (St Andrew’s Cross PMC)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielcohen/2023/02/22/the-coming-hurricane-russian-energy-giant-gazprom-is-creating-an-army/?sh=22783aa742e9
https://cepa.org/article/an-unorthodox-russian-vision-of-heaven-and-hell/
No champ, free speech is sacred, enjoy your retirement.
What else is Parrothead supposed to do since a dopey Liberal Party token woman got sprung yukking it up with Grampians Blackshirts in Melbourne yesterday?
No champ, free speech is sacred, enjoy your retirement.
Is that right, champ?
You haven’t been particularly accepting of my
Sacred Right to Free Speech over the years?
Oho!
The Double Champ!
Hooooboy!
Get your own platform you lawfare sharting scumbag, please don’t ruin the good Mr Dover’s with your defamatory nonsense and literary diarrhea.
One book I am currently struggling through is The Brothers Karamazov… it’s hard going and the father is a bloody idiot. I’d kill him lol!
And on other books, I found Tiger Tiger Tiger really disappointing. A lot of spelling mistakes, errors and sentences that didn’t make sense about his experience as a copper and only half a “chapter” dedicated to the siege…
Time for the sword hand almost in in the chest. Listen, champ…
The Victorian Government will reportedly use the protest to pass laws banning the Nazi salute.
This is primarily about stopping people taking the piss out of our fascist government leaders.
Remember when people at the Freedom Protests were taking the piss out of Dickhead Dan by giving him Nazi salutes, and then the press claimed that there were actual Nazi’s at the protest.
It’s hard to imagine how Australia could get any more rooted.
Sent to me by a third party.
https://www.sott.net/article/478451-Texas-middle-school-kids-asked-to-role-play-as-seducing-hooker-in-bizarre-classroom-game
At least we know Hans Gruber DID get away with it and has some whipsmart kiddos out there. I hope they use their powers for good.
Don’t be dumb, be a smawrty, come and join the red shirt pawrty!
He’s the arts grad who wants to change history!
Look out, here comes the dear leader!
Heil me! (Giggles).
Dot, I have read it many times. For me it has all the satisfying qualities of “history” and myth and it all hangs together cohesively. I was lucky enough to bag a first edition when it was published.
I also enjoy the way Tolkien, true to his philology discipline, created marvellous languages and not just the language itself but its history down to archaic forms and alphabets. I suppose it’s really the love of words and how they have shaped our culture and the way we see the world.
On the Darwin stabbing:
During a press conference on Monday, Assistant Police Commissioner Michael White said detective believe the alleged stabbing is linked to two separate matters around Darwin earlier that evening.
‘Two other people are also in custody, age 15 and 16, are assisting police with inquiries in relation to this matter, and also a separate matter at the bottle shop at the beach front hotel earlier that evening,’ he said.
Police believe the first incident took place at the Beachfront Hotel in central Darwin, and the second on the street in Karama – in the city’s eastern suburbs.
‘It is our belief that these two incidents are linked, and potentially a third incident earlier in the evening in Karama where a young person was assaulted and a number of items stolen from them,’ the assistant police commissioner said.
Investigators have seized a blue 2014 Toyota Camry which they allege was present at all three incidents.
Daily Mail
Knuckle Dragger:
On this subject, you may very well be right.
There appears to be a groundswell of people who are over the childish antics of the 251 Nations.
Today while doing some shopping, I was wearing my “The Unvaccinated are not a Threat to Society – They are a Threat to Authority” Tshirt. Five different people pulled me up to register their displeasure at what they believe is the loss of representation in Parliament and the focus on ten percent of the noisiest. Two wanted to know where I got my bumper stickers from.
Perhaps the excesses of the government, the bureaucracy, and the screeching of the favoured Leftists and their pervert supporters have finally galvanised the sheep.
Wow, just wow.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vagina_Monologues#Plot_summary
This particular skit has sparked outrage, numerous controversies and criticisms due to its content, among which the most famous is the Robert Swope controversy (see below). In the original version she is 13, but later versions changed her age to 16. It also originally included the line, “If it was rape, it was a good rape“, which was removed from later versions.
The f***ing gall. The gall.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vagina_Monologues#V-Day
V-Day is a non-profit 501(c)(3) organization[7] that distributes funds to national and international grassroot organizations and programs that work to stop violence against girls and women.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vagina_Monologues#Robert_Swope_('good_rape‘)_critique
Robert Swope (‘good rape’) critique
In 2000, Robert Swope, a conservative contributor to a Georgetown University newspaper, The Hoya, wrote an article critical of the play.[27] He suggested there was a contradiction between the promotion of rape awareness on V-Day and the monologue “The Little Coochie Snorcher That Could”, in which an adult woman recalls being given alcohol and statutorily raped at 13 by a 24-year-old woman[28] as a positive, healing experience, ending the segment with the proclamation “It was a good rape.”
I don’t think Government should be in the business of banning words, speeches or symbols.
Yes, you should have the right to be a Nazi symbol wearing toss pot and everyone can see you for what you are supporting. Yes, you should have the right to wear a hammer and sickle of the far more murderous regimes, like Munt. Yes, you should have the right to get laid by that hot Greens chick cos you wear a Che Guavera tee shirt (and that’s the only reason you wear it)… and wake up with gonhorrea.
I can’t believe I am going to quote George Brandis here but: You (should) have the right to be a bigot (and be seen as one).
(On a related thread, surely it’s only a matter of time until, say, a crucifix is banned because it triggers people)
Russia is stable and Putin is secure.
‘We played this game at school, Mom, and you’re going to be upset,’
Wonderful how kids are gifted with a innate sense of right and wrong.
Sad how adults can self deceive themselves out of these fundamental truths.
… and wake up with gonhorrea.
Lucky, usually much worse.
DB
I can’t find the link (I’m at work) but John Anderson did a great, hour-long, interview with a couple of Russian academics.
They explained that society in Russia was so displaced by the fall in ’91 that everyone lost everything! Jobs, houses, status, certainty, money… “Order” (or the appearance of it) wasn’t really restored until 1999 and the Ruskies will be eternally grateful that Vladimir saved them from democracy.
They’re a weird lot but I’m still more perplexed by the Poles calling for WWIII as they’ve had far more cogent domestic policy parameters than any other NATO nation.
“The Unvaccinated are not a Threat to Society – They are a Threat to Authority”
Nice.
This can’t be real.
I can’t believe I am going to quote George Brandis here but: You (should) have the right to be a bigot (and be seen as one).
There’s no right to be a bigot, defending bigots is the height of stupidity, and George Brandis employed Bruce Lehrmann.
RIP Johnny Sattler. One of the toughest men to ever lace on a boot.
They’re a weird lot but I’m still more perplexed by the Poles calling for WWIII as they’ve had far more cogent domestic policy parameters than any other NATO nation.
I think it’s just a European thing, they seem to need industrial scale butchery of men ever 30-50 years.
Hiram Maxim went to Europe trying to sell electrical appliances. He concluded that Europeans were only really excited about war. He obliged and returned a few years later with the Maxim Machine Gun.
Dick Head VC & Bar, Munty Cross and Mentioned in Passing, you’re free to say just about anything on this blog thanks to Dover. Us telling you you’re a dickhead is free speech as well. Most of us know who’s right without a doubt.
Cassie of Sydney:
Dover Beach:
Are we going to live blog this momentous occasion?
Gosh !!
When I was 16/17 and read LOTR, I don’t think I had ever heard of Islam ! I never knew about homosexuality until I was 21 or so (thanks RMIT Mechanical Engineering lads !).
So young, so innocent.
Yeah, her purse was on top of her car, but even speaking to Lesbians can have fatal consequences.
He had no idea who she was talking on the phone with.
Dick Head VC & Bar, Munty Cross and Mentioned in Passing, you’re free to say just about anything on this blog thanks to Dover.
Why bring Dover into some stupid issue you’ve got with me?
but even speaking to Lesbians can have fatal consequences.
P:
Yeah.
Sure.
Righto.
Then we’ll get stuck into the idea about the questioned rights of men to their own male spaces.
Look while I’m very sympathetic to the plight of women needing ‘safe spaces’ where were these women when our men’s clubs were being invaded by the wymmins libbers who felt they were an expression of male toxicity?
Huh?
What about those sets of rights?
Ed Casesays:
March 20, 2023 at 4:00 pm
No champ, free speech is sacred, enjoy your retirement.
Is that right, champ?
You haven’t been particularly accepting of my
Sacred Right to Free Speech over the years?
Pointing out the stupidity of much that you post here is not the same as denying you your “Sacred Right of Free Speech”. Indeed, you should be allowed to demonstrate your stupidity here as often as you are silly enough to do so.
Calli
I suppose it’s really the love of words and how they have shaped our culture and the way we see the world.
The love of words: Logodaedaly definition: the cunning or skilful use of words.
The recumbent bike has always been a step too far. Got hiking poles – you are a step away from joining the Pedestrian Council of Australia with you know who.
Ed Casesays:
March 20, 2023 at 4:27 pm
I can’t believe I am going to quote George Brandis here but: You (should) have the right to be a bigot (and be seen as one).
There’s no right to be a bigot, defending bigots is the height of stupidity, and George Brandis employed Bruce Lehrmann.
Richard Cranium is obsessed about the Mizzzz Knickerless case. Is she a family member?
Depends on what the term means. We should be kind to those poor sods suffering any mental derangement. That may mean locking them up somewhere safe in order to prevent the derangement spreading. It should be apparent by now that many forms of insanity are contagious.
handing out HTVs (for a minor party in the upper house) at prepoll, on Saturday and today
lower house Labor, Liberal, Green and Independent candidates have all turned up to pitch in for a significant portion of the time so far, they must think it important to do so (Liberal Democrats and other minor party rep both a no-show) – 30% to 40% of voters lodge their vote here in prepoll.
many, many assistant volunteers (on a roster) for both Labor and the Greens (who are preferencing each other on their HTVs).
Nada, zip volunteers for the Lib candidate in this electorate, poor bugger is completely on his own.
I approached him to talk about Vic Labor giving Bernie Finn and Moira Deeming the bum’s rush, but he point blank refused to talk about it. I also mentioned that the Libs seemed to have abandoned their base, his response was “public views change, they decide”
Stupid.F-cking.Liberals.
Bill Shorten?
Winston, I’m pretty sure most women really don’t want access to men’s loos (except in extremis and that definitely happens).
Do I want to invade the Men’s Shed? No. Do I want access to men’s clubs? Absolutely not! Do I want to do work that was traditionally the province of males? My word I would, and I did.
We are talking about two different things here, and I don’t think punishing idiots will help vulnerable little girls.
For those interested, Moira Deeming’s maiden speech now introduced and excerpted at Quadrant.
It’s great stuff, which is, of course, why her party leader detests it and her.
https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/sicktoria/2023/03/nazis-trans-and-a-half-cocked-liberal-leader/
The Chook’s command economy solution to her playschool Government’s having completely ignored public housing needs is to bring in a rental price cap.
Do these idiots not understand any lesson from history or basic economics?
Well, yes, of course they do, but they don’t care. “We will just beat up the Chook Olympics and all will be forgotten”.
This is just the latest in a chain of idiocies relating to the public housing scandal. They have been running a low-level terror campaign against landlords for some time.
All landlords, but especially those from holiday areas, have been receiving borderline threatening letters from their Councils (who in QLD respond to Govt, not the rate payers ) ‘advising’ them to cease holiday lettings, take on long term leases, or sell.
Council will kindly assist in locating ‘suitable’ tenants.
Landlords in my Shire have been advised by their association to not engage with the Council under any circumstances.
Just bin the letters and let the Council try it on.
But, it’s not all bad. Nazi salutes are still legal in the sunshine oblast.
Another tough day here at Jacarandas for Freedom. Email for bank account details.
He was asked to leave after a rather unfortunate incident at O Camp.
Oh, and Chooks, my sweet.
Rental caps in a high demand environment lead directly to under the table payments.
Simples eh girl.
I never knew about homosexuality until I was 21 or so (thanks RMIT Mechanical Engineering lads !)
Oh my, we might have crossed paths! It wasn’t the year with the large number of navy blokes in it was it?! Bennet, Griffith, Becker, Kemp?
Bons – yes, we’re going to see key money make a comeback, legally or not, under the same name or not.
FMD Areff, I am going to have to re-subscribe, there is more sense in the Quadrant email that just came out than any six weeks of ABC Fewfacts and Newcorpse blatherings.
Calli:
No we are not.
Men wanted a female free environment because ‘reasons’.
They were denied these environments.
Women want a male free environment because ‘reasons’.
Should we deny them these rights?
This entire problem comes about because government decided the owners of establishments should lose their rights to decide who they would allow on their premises, and where.
Amazing. Government interfered with something and now it is a major problem.
But the one thing you will never find happening is government stepping back and saying “Well, we buggered that up, let’s get back to where we were before the problem got out of control.” and restore the owners right to decide the circumstances under which they will offer services. Then the market will decide – not some bureaucrat.
Moira Deeming has issued a press release addressing events on Saturday, here and here.
Nazi open hand, arm raised, salutes out. Are clenched fist, arm raised, commie salutes still OK? Asking for a friend.
So it has started.
The career defence personnel in the defence forces and their political comrades are purging the Special Forces. They have already banned the use of any insignia that marks a fighting unit. They will now gaol any special forces combatant fighting in foreign territory behind enemy lines who executes the enemy in ways that offend the new Woke in our academies and leadership positions.
I wonder if they now intend to reach back through the ages and revoke the VCs given to our forefathers for what was then termed “bravery”under duress?
Former SAS trooper Oliver Schulz has been arrested over alleged war crimes.
By BEN PACKHAM
FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND DEFENCE CORRESPONDENT
@bennpackham
MARCH 20, 2023, FIRST PUBLISHED AT 2:14PM MARCH 20, 2023
The Australian Federal Police have made their first arrest of a former Australian special forces soldier over alleged war crimes in Afghanistan.
Former SAS trooper Oliver Schulz, 41, was arrested in regional NSW on Monday morning and was expected to face local court later in the day.
“It will be alleged he murdered an Afghan man while deployed to Afghanistan with the Australian Defence Force,” the AFP said in a statement.
“The maximum penalty for a war crime-murder offence is life imprisonment.”
The alleged 2012 killing is set to become the first to be prosecuted following an investigation by the Office of the Special Investigator.
The OSI was set up to probe alleged war crimes identified by army reserve major general and NSW Supreme Court judge Paul Brereton in his November 2020 report for the Inspector-General of the Australian Defence Force.
The AFP said the arrest was the result of a joint investigation by the OSI and its own investigators.
“The OSI and AFP are working together to investigate allegations of criminal offences under Australian law related to breaches of the Laws of Armed Conflict by Australian Defence Force personnel in Afghanistan between 2005 and 2016,” it said.
The AFP said it would be inappropriate to comment further as the matter was before the court.
Yeah Calli, but you’re (fairly) sane. 😛
3AW really is the pits.
Nice piece from The Conservative Woman here about human nature as evidenced in an ancient Greek play:
To the doomsayers here (not to mention the ahistoricists who declare a current politician ‘the worst ever’ – no better than those on tik tok or twitter) I believe that Western cultures and those who lived in them have embedded characteristics that have not changed. Not only that, but many immigrants have either come from those cultures or adopted them.
Before certain people get all excited, no, not all.
This place sometimes seems like an old folks home, where everyone says that the world is going to hell and is not like it used to be.
Well, duh!
If you went to an old folks home in the 1950s, your Golden Age, what do you think they would have been saying?
‘This is the Golden Age, the younger generation is fantastic, the future is bright.’
Ahahahahaha! 🙂
Stop feeling sorry for yourselves and behaving like boring old farts. And especially, stop imagining that there was a Golden Age of politics and journalism, especially in the US, but no less applicable here. There was no such thing.
Outrage is no substitute for analysis. That’s what the Left do. Stop emoting and start thinking.
Really doc, you think a dude getting dressed as a shelia may cause others to do the same thing?
Like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiHRrdBMIpA&t=18s
Actually, I do want to invade the local Men’s Shed. I have a small business idea for them.
I reckon they could make a bit of money on their whetstones sharpening tools, as there’s no local sharpening service. I know a heap of people who would like scissors, secateurs, clippers, knives, even chainsaws sharpened…cash money.
Quick turnaround too.
Hahaha. Designated News Corp ALP spruiker Joe Hildebrand is a never-Trumper.
Didn’t see that coming. Not. Hahaha.
callisays:
March 20, 2023 at 5:50 pm
Actually, I do want to invade the local Men’s Shed. I have a small business idea for them.
I reckon they could make a bit of money on their whetstones sharpening tools, as there’s no local sharpening service.
Our local shed has one bloke who specialises in knife, axe, edged device, sharpening. Not wildly far from you, but definitely not local to you.
The Australian Federal Police have made their first arrest of a former Australian special forces soldier over alleged war crimes in Afghanistan.
Australia:
F’cking leave as quickly as you can.
*outrage*
Where’s the fun in that? 😀
I hope it wasn’t a compulsory unit.
So let’s begin with a few things which are in need of saying about the International Criminal Court (ICC) at The Hague’s issuance of an arrest warrant for Putin.
First, the most important and natural question on everyone’s mind: why now? And cui bono?
There are two main ideas behind the timing of this ruling. The first and most pressing, is that China’s Xi Jinping has only days ago been announced to be headed to Moscow for an important state visit on 3/20 – 3/22.
The timing of this sudden Hague ruling is deviously obvious: it’s meant to put pressure on Xi on the eve of his likely signing of important agreements. It’s meant to embarrass Xi, both internally within perhaps some of the detractors of his own party, and outside with the rest of the world, by generating the optics of him meeting with what is ostensibly an ‘international criminal’ in Putin.
Of course from the more ‘surface reading’ of the western side, the current narrative revolves around this Hague ruling being a pressure lever meant to topple Putin internally from power. Various UK tabloid rags are running with the take that Putin’s ‘oligarchs’ will now overthrow him, and that his tenuous grip on power is slipping due to the embarrassment of being perceived as an internationally condemned ‘criminal’.
Of course, this take is pure nonsense. No one in Russia cares about these lowbrow jester’s parlor tricks. The fact is, the Hague has no legitimacy not only because Russia is not a signatory to it, never having ratified the Hague agreement and thus does not recognize the court’s authority whatsoever, but also the fact that the US has already itself destroyed any credibility of the Hague by threatening to arrest its judges if they dared prosecute American troops for Afghani war crimes:
John Bolton also threatened to sanction the Hague for the same. In fact, the US literally passed the American Service Member Protection Act, which—I kid you not—gives the US the legal right to ‘invade the Hague’ should they prosecute American soldiers.
This authorization led to the act being colloquially nicknamed “The Hague Invasion Act”, as the act allows the President to order U.S. military action, such as an invasion of The Hague, where the ICC is located, to protect American officials and military personnel from prosecution or rescue them from custody.[2][3]
And in even bigger hypocrisy, it turns out that the chief prosecutor of the Hague, the very man himself who wrote the order of arrest for Putin—Karim Khan—is the brother of one Imran Ahmad Khan, UK Tory politician who was convicted of child sex last year:
But the kicker is, Kim DotCom claims that Karim Khan, the ICC prosecutor, helped get his convicted pedophile brother out 9 months early. The same Karim Khan who just issued an arrest warrant to Putin for the crime of ‘deporting/trafficking Ukrainian children’. Hypocrisy much?
With that said, I myself haven’t been able to verify the link that Karim Khan explicitly aided in the early release of his brother, so this could be speculation. However, given that Karim Khan is a prominent British lawyer and was appointed Queen’s Counsel in 2011, it certainly lends credibility to the notion.
Also, this bit in his bio is quite intriguing:
Khan was the third chief prosecutor elected in the ICC’s history, and the first one elected by secret ballot. Khan had been nominated by the United Kingdom.[4][13] He took office in June 2021, replacing Fatou Bensouda.
Seems perhaps this compromised family has quite some kompromat pulling their strings.
Now, onto the other reason for why they would issue this ruling against Putin now. The first as I said was to throw a shade over Xi’s coming state visit. Another likely and more significant possibility is to undercut any potential future peace talks between Putin and Zelensky.
The powers that be are watching Ukraine’s collapse and know the last big ‘hurrah’ hail mary throw of the vaunted ‘Spring Offensive’ will be the true beginning of the end, at which point Zelensky will be under great pressure from various sides to begin formal overtures of peace/compromise toward Putin/Russia.
By issuing this arrest warrant on Putin, the powers that be are effectively dousing him with a ‘black mark’, or perhaps a scarlet letter which throws great legal weight against any potential peace proceedings. After all, how do you formally and officially meet for legal peace agreements with a known, internationally recognized ‘criminal’? Would Slobodan Milosevic be allowed to hold ‘peace talks’ with anyone in a formal, legal format?
In fact, this is straight out of the standard CIA playbook. Here’s a Washington Post article from May 28, 1999 which says:
Russia vowed today to continue to try to mediate between NATO and Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic but said that his indictment on war crimes charges had complicated the effort and that the talks were not moving in a positive direction.
The indictment of Milosevic on the eve of Chernomyrdin’s visit was denounced by Russia, and viewed by some Russian officials as a sign that the West is taking an uncompromising approach. The newspaper Izvestia noted that “it is impossible to come to terms with a wanted military criminal” and claimed the indictment would cancel out Chernomyrdin’s diplomacy.
Read that last part again: “it is impossible to come to terms with a wanted criminal” and that this indictment would “cancel out…diplomacy.”
You see how conveniently it all works out? By branding a leader with the ‘black mark’ of international pariah status, you magically poison any possibility of his being allowed to hold formal, legal, internationally recognized diplomacy of any sort.
In short, this action is a ‘setting fire to the ships’ (rather than mere ‘show across the bow’) for Ukraine.
The message is, no peace talks will be accepted—we need you to fight and die to the last Ukrainian.
We can further assume that perhaps the situation has gotten so bad, there may have been secret internal ‘signals’ that got Washington worried. So they pulled the alarm to scuttle that ship.
I have no idea whether this bloke is guilty or not. But being a special forces member isn’t a license to murder. If he
did murder someone without justification, then he should be on trial.
I wonder if they think the Grampian NAZIs can sustain another 24 hours of media “scrutiny”?
Important RBA statement on Australia’s banks and interest rates.
Monday, 20 March 2023
It’s quite a technical speech from the RBA’s Assistant Governor – you might like to give it a miss if monetary policy isn’t your thing.
…conditions in global bond markets have been strained recently following the failure of Silicon Valley Bank in the United States. Volatility in Australian financial markets has picked up but markets are still functioning and, most importantly, Australian banks are unquestionably strong – the banks’ capital and liquidity positions are well above APRA’s regulatory requirements. Banks are already well advanced on their bond issuance plans for the year and could defer their bond issuance for a while. Even if markets remain strained for a time, Australian banks’ issuance will continue to benefit from the strength of their balance sheets.
The AFP said the arrest was the result of a joint investigation by the OSI and its own investigators.
Let me guess, relying on Afghan witnesses and ADF personnel who would have been weeded out by any sort of sensible recruiting process?
That poor bastard Schulz is completely rooted.
Tony Tardio
@tonytardio
That the Liberals selected Moira Deeming as a candidate says a lot but if they fail to expel her from their party they may as well shut up shop.
3AW really is the pits.
I thought Tony Turdio was just meant to read the ‘news’.
The whole Australian meja fuktard complex is the pits.
So canbra will either give you a pubic serpent medal or arrest you for doing your job. Of course this prosecution of soldiers for doing their job is just the canbra pubic parasites copying the poms.
Rape was a capital crime in NSW until 1955.
There is a couple of ways of thinking about this.
Im fine with capital being on the table, but the bar for the prosecution needs to be very, very high.
No hand patting, ABC assassinations and perjury or attempting to game the court should result in jail time.
However if its to be on the basis of he said/she said with no other evidence then it must be treated as a nuisance crime (such as shoplifting/graffiti) with bugger all sanctions.
You cant mix the 2. either its something awful which deserves harsh penalty or its something trivial deserving a fine or probation/light jail time.
And depending on where you slide the scale of ‘awfulness” you have to have either robust full defense of the accused or that weeks duty legal aid lawyer in front of a local court.
At the moment there seems to be a lust for watering down the burden of proof and allowing trial via media but keeping severe penalties.
A recipe for injustice.
(As a certain Mr Pell could have told us)
I cant see it improving until there is another missive high profile case overturned against a person with very deep pockets (along the lines of Twiggy – deep pockets) and a massive bloodletting occurs in a plethora of civil cases.
Or the courts grow a pair and go extremely hard on perjury and the likes of the ABCcess.
I hate canbra as much as they hate people like me.
How Biden Bailed Out California and New York
The real motivation lies in the states’ budgets, which depend on the success of green startups.
Imagine a bank in Houston that caters to the oil-and-gas industry. It makes low-cost loans with credit-friendly terms to unprofitable shale frackers on the condition that they hold their deposits exclusively at the bank, where they earn an above-market return. It also manages the wealth of oil and gas executives.
The bank uses its enormous deposits to fund more risky loans to frackers and acquire Treasury bonds and government mortgage-backed securities. The latter obscure the credit risk on its balance sheet. As frackers burn cash, the bank struggles to redeem deposits and has to sell assets at a loss.
As news of the losses spreads, there is a run on deposits. The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., with the approval of a Republican president, takes over the bank and guarantees all its uninsured deposits, including those of oil-and-gas executives. Wouldn’t Democrats scream “bailout”?
This essentially describes what has happened at Silicon Valley Bank over the past week.
Democrats insist the FDIC’s guarantee of uninsured deposits decidedly isn’t a bailout.
The truth is that the Biden administration not only bailed out Silicon Valley investors and companies. It also rescued California, whose budget depends on them, and the state’s liberal political class. It did the same for New York by back-stopping uninsured deposits at Signature Bank.
California’s tax revenue has swelled—and is now falling—in tandem with Silicon Valley’s fortunes. As the Federal Reserve pumped trillions of dollars into the economy and cut interest rates to near-zero, the stock market surged. Investors sold stock in tech companies at inflated prices. Startups took advantage of the hot stock market to float public shares.
Investors plowed their capital gains into high-yielding accounts at SVB and startups with accounts at the bank. Between December 2019 and December 2022, its deposits tripled to $173 billion. SVB became Silicon Valley’s premier bank by offering generous loan terms and above-market returns on deposits to unprofitable companies, many with no revenue.
But as the Fed raised interest rates and tech startups burned through cash, SVB had to sell mortgage-backed securities at a loss to cover deposit redemptions. You know the rest of the story.
Normally, uninsured depositors—those with more than $250,000 in an account—would take a haircut of some 10% to 15% if a bank fails. But tech investors, California Gov. Gavin Newsom and Silicon Valley politicians lobbied the White House for help. Not guaranteeing uninsured deposits would “hurt the innovation pipeline” and “ordinary people,” claimed Silicon Valley Rep. Ro Khanna.
It’s true: Absent the FDIC bailout, startups would have had to raise more capital from venture investors to offset their losses. That may have proved difficult for less-promising enterprises, as investors refused to give more money while they tried to pare their own losses. But it likely wouldn’t have been a problem for the truly innovative firms.
And those with more than $250,000 in a bank account aren’t “ordinary” people. What has hurt ordinary people is the Fed’s inflationary policies. Why shouldn’t Silicon Valley have to bear some pain as the central bank corrects the ultra-loose monetary policies that enriched its technocratic class? Is Silicon Valley too important to lose money? As far as Mr. Newsom is concerned, the answer appears to be yes.
High earners in California’s Bay Area pay about half of state income tax. Capital-gains realizations surged to $245 billion in 2021 from $145 billion in 2019, helping create a more than $100 billion budget surplus last year. But stocks have plunged and tech layoffs are increasing, so California is staring down the barrel of a gaping deficit.
Tax revenue through the first eight months of this year is running $25 billion lower than last year. The budget carnage would be greater if investors had to write down their startup investments.
No wonder Mr. Newsom, who reportedly had an account at SVB, praised the administration’s bailout’s “profoundly positive impacts on California.”
Meantime, SVB’s New York bailout companion, Signature, has received a bum rap as a crypto bank.
But if most of its uninsured depositors were crypto companies, there’s no chance the FDIC would have bailed them out. Signature primarily caters to New York’s liberal special interests, which donate to Democratic campaigns.
It is New York City’s top lender to low-income housing developers and “a significant player when it came to financing for personal injury firms,” according to Law.com. One of its specialities was financing the purchase of taxi medallions. According to the New York Times, it was also known “for catering to wealthy families.” Former Gov. Andrew Cuomo has a campaign account at the bank.
Mr. Khanna insists that a bank catering to the oil-and-gas industry would be treated the same as SVB and Signature.
But maybe the reason those two banks failed to manage their risks is their leaders knew they had political protection in case they got into trouble.
areffsays:
March 20, 2023 at 5:19 pm
For those interested, Moira Deeming’s maiden speech now introduced and excerpted at Quadrant.
It’s great stuff, which is, of course, why her party leader detests it and her.
https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/sicktoria/2023/03/nazis-trans-and-a-half-cocked-liberal-leader/“
Thanks areff. Your piece is superb.
Hiking poles are pretty expensive I imagine, carbon fibre and all that. Presumably they sell them in pairs. You never know when a retractable stick will come in handy.
If he did murder someone without justification, then he should be on trial.
Murdering someone in Afghanistan is almost a logical impossibility. A beautiful country full of phenomenally shit people.
If you’re going to dump personnel into a Third World Hell Hole with a highly active insurgency and then dissect their every action from a first world perspective, from the safety of Australia, you might as well chuck the whole deployment in prison.
If there was any case to answer then it sits with the commanders, because apparently this issue spans a number of years which would suggest that they tolerated alleged misconduct, year in year out, most likely in order to get the job done.
I’m beginning to understand crotchless’s antipathy to Moira Deeming and the women’s rights rally crashed by antifa dressed as nazis: Moira has noted there were some Jewish ladies there so its just his antisemitism bubbling up.
Any chance that Olly Schulz gave Evidence against Roberts-Smith, and this is payback from Roberts-Smith’s enablers?
Beaugy, the AFP is using the Democratic Party’s method of mobilising the justice system to persecute ideological enemies.
I have 100% confidence that the ADF soldiers the AFP is targeting are innocent and will be acquitted a la Pell’s 7-0 on appeal to the High Court if necessary.
I wonder if they think the Grampian NAZIs can sustain another 24 hours of media “scrutiny”?
I’d say those Grampians NAZIs might be lyin’low at some gym in Carlton.
That’s a very good idea Calli
I’ll bring it up at the next meeting
( we’ve just forked out over $1000 for a new machine)
Apropos of nothing, great British B movie here called The Big Day (1960), about rivals for the directorship of a small company.
Much better than many A movies of the time.
Also watched another one called ‘Snowball’ featuring Dennis Waterman aged 10. A child accuses a bus conductor of throwing him off because he doesn’t have a ticket, with awful consequences. Gordon Jackson stars as his Pa (how unlikely is that!).
He started out as he continued, just playing himself. It worked pretty well for him over his long career.
It’s on Youtube.
I’d say those Grampians NAZIs might be lyin’low at some gym in Carlton.
But being a special forces member isn’t a license to murder.
What a stupid thing to say. The job of the special forces is to kill the enemy. The muzzies don’t wear uniforms and hide behind other muzzies. So how do you tell innocent muzzies.
Ed Casesays:
March 20, 2023 at 6:27 pm
I wonder if they think the Grampian NAZIs can sustain another 24 hours of media “scrutiny”?
I’d say those Grampians NAZIs might be lyin’low at some gym in Carlton.
At a gym? Definitely not m0nty=fa, then.
Former SAS trooper Oliver Schulz arrested over alleged war crimes in Afghanistan
Former SAS trooper Oliver Schulz has been arrested over alleged war crimes. Picture: Supplied
rick – see my comment at 5.28pm. And also Dr.Beaugan.
If you are going to arrest people for alleged war crimes , beware the Woke scrolling back through war records to inculpate your grandfathers for war crimes in the last two World Wars – there were plenty of them if you invoke the current definition of war crimes.
“I have 100% confidence that the ADF soldiers the AFP is targeting are innocent and will be acquitted a la Pell’s 7-0 on appeal to the High Court if necessary.”
True, but the process is the punishment.
Oh and watching John Pesutto on Credlin. Pesutto is a disgraceful weasel. One thing is for sure, Pesutto will never be premier. He actually makes me physically sick.
Read the Moira Deeming press release.
Deeming is saying
I’ve done nothing wrong being on a platform with ratbags at an event that Blind Freddie coulda told you would end in chaos,
and The LIberal Party has gotta declare me a benchmark for political sanity or I’m pulling the Circus tent down on toppa youse.
Ave Me!
Who’s advising this fruitloop?
Saying nothing, Davey Warner style, was the way to go, not throwing fuel on the Flames.
Judging by the recruiting ads I’m seeing everywhere they’re already struggling. I can’t see this helping recruit or retain anyone.
So John Pussotto uses Wikipedia. LOL.
He’s a f*cking disgrace.
Pesutto on Credlin is claiming Moira arranged for the antifa dressed as nazis to turn up at the pro women rally. Apparently the left wing Jewish organiser had praised nazis as being anti-pedo; according to pesutto who has searched Kelli-Jay King’s wiki page which apparently has false info and is locked.
Few pics of the nazis seem to show a disturbing lack of inked arms/ plumage normally associated with the type.
I’m actually stunned and sickened by Pussuto. Calling him a weasel is perhaps too kind.
The OSI was set up to probe alleged war crimes identified by army reserve major general and NSW Supreme Court judge Paul Brereton in his November 2020 report for the Inspector-General of the Australian Defence Force.
Brereton, whose greatest battle was defeating an undercooked steak.
I see that TheirABC is running more and more stories about how people are rolling up their sleeves and helping those who are in need of food by growing a few plants. It’s the British wartime spirit all over again – grow a Victory Garden (which they frequently espouse) and a contemporary revival of the handbook of the 1970s group house, 101 Ways with Mince.
This is emotive crap. The vast majority of expenditure is on a roof over your head and energy costs. Things like pharmaceuticals and cleaning products are next. Food is at the bottom of the list, but is easiest to get cheap or for nothing.
Except the Melbourne club is still exclusively male and women’s toilets and changerooms is exactly the same thing as a men’s club.
The eternal suffering of the white male. Blub blub.
Pesutto is a stupid stupid little man.
He’s just handed the Andrew’s junta the stick to beat them with.
Danbots will be ordering their Grampians Nazi gear now so they can tar any conservative MP or candidate with the guilt by association brush.
Seriously, how dumb can you be!
Did Deeming have correspondence with the Black Shorts or not?
One ping only, please.
In this case a whiiiite ping.
ed-mong seems to be curiously animated lately, mummies crotch must have rotted out again.
And Boxhead backpackers are thin on the ground.
/goodbye horses intensifies.
The lack of tattooed plumage is indicative of the Lesser Nazi.
Their mating season starts on Labour Day and they then roost in inner suburban bistros.
101 Ways with Avocado.
Writes itself.
They’re compelled to, surely. They can start with Albert ‘I got the buggers, Sir’ Jacka, and see how they go after that.
John Pesutto perfectly represents the Liberal Party’s fake conservative rump that believes you can be elected if you imitate your enemies – like Matt Kean, who is in the process of bringing down the NSW government this weekend by making the LNP unelectable for decades.
Pesutti’s defining characteristics are cowardice, cowardice and cowardice. Pesutto is what happens when you convince yourself that betraying your supporters are a viable political strategy.
Even the ABC is asking questions, whatever their motive
Liberal MP Moira Deeming says she will fight moves to oust her from party after attending Melbourne rally
…is a viable political strategy ….
Here’s Avi talking to Kellie-Jay today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSI-2C_rHjc
It’s why I just think she’s fabulous.
Was the AJA involved in the organising?
This is looking like perhaps Moira was set up?
Well spotted Gez! There’s a subspecies known as the Waxed or Buffed Nazi also. It tends to socialise with the larger, more aggressive ones, but lacks the moral fibre to hunt alone.
Experts differ on whether it originates in the Grampians, or is actually a more urban type from Fitzroy and environs.
There’s going to be a few Aussies investigated for “war crimes” then, if you go back far enough:
A Japanese officer in New Guinea, with his position overrun, challenged the advancing Australian troops wearing a parade uniform and carrying a drawn sword. He “…went whoosh with his sword, and he carved all the bits of the side of the palm fronds,” inviting the soldiers to take him, one presumes, with their bayonets. He was given a count of ten to surrender and then shot.”
Towards the end of the war Cam Bennett, leading a company of the Australian Army, noted that in the rare event of taking a prisoner it was difficult to get them taken to the rear alive. “…it was essential to send some of them back with a good reliable NCO or they would be shot by their guards while attempting to escape (so the guards said).
Or in Europe:
An Australian section was attacking a German piece of the line after being heavily shelled by their enemy. When they came across a large detachment of the enemy, they attacked with bayonet to such effect that some Germans shammed being dead or wounded to escape attack. Then, as the attack passed on, some of them came back to life, so to speak. WJ Harris of the 24th Battalion of the AIF commented that: “…a number of these Huns rose up and started firing on us from the rear. That, naturally enough, made the boys see red. Their deaths were real enough after that”.
Or in WWI:
Captain Ambrose Cull tells of a similar incident in the early days of the European campaign, when three Germans surrendered in a dugout, and then as they came out with their hands up two of them suddenly reached revolvers and opened fire, hitting one of the Australian troopers; their sergeant responded with three shots of his own, killing the two Germans. Then the Australians opened up on every other one of the enemy in the trench, killing around 60 of them.
I could go on but you get the picture.
Yep, but we didn’t really need Pew Research to inform us.
White leftwing American sheilas are nuts.
https://twitter.com/robkhenderson/status/1637513378464661507
As promsied earlier this morning – here is (ALP) Deputy Chief Minister Nicole Manison speaking to a sombrely-nodding media after the stabbing murder of a bottleshop attendant by a recidivist indig property crime, violent offender and pisswreck (the NT News):
By ‘evidence based approaches’, clearly Manison means ‘evidence of anything that won’t make this shambles of a government look more shithouse than it is’.
Told youse. Handpattery writ large.
Does Nazi watching make you a twitcher or a twerker?
Could you forward mine to Martin Armstrong. Thanks.
Ya think, Googleory?
That was the whole point — planned with the absolute certainty that the news media would support the anti-LNP witchhunt.
It’s all about the tribe.
What’s wrong with that?
Is anyone here game to put up their hand as a [gasp] White Supremacist?
Felt in the mood for some Tom Petty, hit the youtube. But alas, the local cockies decided to do Wagner above. Ear splitting, relentless.
Will just have to wait until the sun goes down.
Main costs are housing, energy and health. Extent you spend is optional but there is a bottom line lower limit. American drug store cornucopias show that cheaper pharmaceuticals replace costly doctor’s visits. Same here I suspect. Housing and energy are definitely the biggest drains with the highest levels of inflation. They are also very inflexible. You have to pay them, although you can try to minimise their costs; in the short term though most people are locked in. Another ‘indispensable’ high cost is communications, and for some, either running a car or paying fares to get to work.
If you have children, factor in so much more that is hard to skimp on.
People take a second job for cash, take in boarders, sell things on eBay; avoiding tax on all of these where possible. They also rely on family help instead of paid services, including for loans, use hand-me-downs and look for cheaper options of all food and other requirements.
Jeebus. It has been very humid though.
56% of liberal white women aged 18-29 have been diagnosed with a mental health condition.
Laugh if you must, I did.
Seriously, though, what have they got to look forward to?
10 years as a Sex Symbol, then a slow decline for, say, 75 years till they look like Granny Clampett?
Bolt, to his credit, is unflinching.
Forgot to mention too – more and more people simply steal. From supermarkets at automatic check-outs and by other ‘shoplifting’. And by opportunistically taking anything left lying around.
And then there’s applying for handouts. Charities are overwhelmed.
Told you it’s contagious. They catch looniness from each other.
Dalrymple 2017 ‘Swansea’ Pinot Noir.
Very, very nice.
Darker fruit flavour, but not identifiable as either plum or berries. I like this because it is more to ponder over.
Soft but sustained oak tannins on the cheeks.
Tomorrow’s Coco Pops will certainly be an epicurean adventure.
Doc
There’s no way to tell which comes first. It’s a real chicken and egg.
My great uncle served in New Guinea in 1944 – 45. He wrote in his diary that the policy of shooting Japanese who were attempting to surrender using the airdropped leaflets, is yielding the results one would expect. Is that a war crime?
I’d be really surprised if the Fed doesn’t ease monetary policy quick smart now. WSJ reporting up to 200 small US banks are in trouble. Fed has begun lending dollars to a dollar short world – ie. other central banks.
There’s going to be a few Aussies investigated for “war crimes” then, if you go back far enough:
That is my point, Topender. I feel very strongly about this. The intervention in Middle Eastern countries such as Afghanistan to ensure a stable regime was a big ask in adhering to strict post Nuremburg rules in a country in which the enemy was feasibly in every house, in every village. In the fog of war – and even in the clear air of war – enemies and friends are hard to distinguish, and mistakes may cost a soldier’s life.
Yes. It’s also stupid.
Tom, the defence of the bloke who was shot that he had two children is clearly crap. All the soldier had to say in his defence is that he believed the bloke was a combatant, as similar ppl had turned out to be in the past. That would be good enough for me and, I should hope, the high court. I agree that prosecuting SAS ppl for war crimes looks political, but all the same, I’m not willing to start from the assumption that all our soldiers are pure and incapable of murder without justification.
Bolt, to his credit, is unflinching.
And then he has that morose never Trumper sheridan on who vomits 5 minutes of sheer crap about Trump being indicted. “He’s probably guilty” intones the basset faced cretin about Stormy.
This wasn’t supposed to happen.
UBS has been backstopped by about CHF 9 billion from the Swiss National bank for buying Credit Suisse. UBS is down 14%
Couple of things.
Tony Tardio, all he does is read the news on 3AW. That’s all. So put a line through him.
Just watched the start of NRL 360 and they had a bit of Sattler on. FMD the story Paul Kent regaled about him in the 1970 decider is something to behold.
Broke his jaw early, played 77 minutes with it busted. Won’t ever happen again.
After the match, the press wanted to speak with Sattler, him being captain. He was trying to set his jaw so it looked presentable. Goes out to the press pack, he goes to speak and his jaw dropped alarmingly.
That’s phucking tough. Or stupid. Or both.
Couple of other things, Pesutto is spineless and along with Perrotet will leave the Liberals as stinking carrion ready to be picked over for at least a decade.
And monty still carries water for degenerate perverts. And has yet to denounce that ‘trans woman’ from his own side.
Bathhouse Nazis seems to be more common lately too.
Jeebus. It has been very humid though
Chortle
The promise of a couple of points of meth is all it takes to get them onto the streets in those fetching uniforms.
And who will rescue UBS? Swiss can run a regular bank, but not a toxic entity full of bad & risky trades which is what UBS will become once CS takeover is done. Hopefully at some point the swiss voters wake up and resist having the toxic trades dumped on them to pay billions (for nothing) …
Knuckle Draggersays:
March 20, 2023 at 6:56 pm
I wonder if they now intend to reach back through the ages and revoke the VCs given to our forefathers for what was then termed “bravery”under duress?
They’re compelled to, surely. They can start with Albert ‘I got the buggers, Sir’ Jacka, and see how they go after that.
In 1916, in France, Jacka had taken some prisoners, but was isolated form his own lines by a German counter-attack. If he had released the prisoners, and tried to get back to his own lines, the Germans could have picked up abandoned weapons and shot him. So he shot them first, then fought his way back to the Australian lines.
IIRC, for other actions around that time, he received an MC.
Gold finishes the day over $3007.71/oz
Meanwhile Kroges and the Nooklear Milkman are busy trying to out stupid each other regarding the Deeming woman.
Dr BG – the Aussies lost many men to “surrendering” Japanese, who especially liked to conceal a hand grenade with the pin pulled out. After a while the guys decided not to take chances.
Well done to TaliDan for banning the antifa infiltrators’ main tactic.
Thank you Knuckle Dragger and Top Ender for your news from up north.
Makes me think how lucky we are to not live in those places where there is seemingly no hope.
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
March 20, 2023 at 7:15 pm
Forgot to mention too – more and more people simply steal. From supermarkets at automatic check-outs and by other ‘shoplifting’. And by opportunistically taking anything left lying around.
And then there’s applying for handouts. Charities are overwhelmed.
And it is not unknown for some to register with more than one charity, so collecting multiple handouts.
Kind of appropriate for Moira to have the surname Deeming.
There’s been a set of assumptions straight out of the woke playbook used to assess her.
Regarding the charged SAS trooper.
Never heard of his case or that incident before. However saw a news clip this evening which showed footage of an incident which appears to have been the one for which he has been charged. Man on the ground in a wheat field not firing but not 100% clear if armed.
Reminded me of the shooting after guys got out of the helicopter. This footage showed less of what happened prior but again I was left thinking why they kept the footage that could be used against them in the future.
Unfortunately they do not appear to have had any concept that such incidents might catch them out years later. No doubt such shootings at the time were investigated and cleared but without access to the footage. They just assumed everything was covered as a war zone.
I definitely support the SAS but I despair that they kept footage that showed some incidents very hard to defend in a court of law. They certainly would contradict evidence they would have given in Afghanistan not long after the shooting.
Black Ball
And monty still carries water for degenerate perverts. And has yet to denounce that ‘trans woman’ from his own side.
m0nty=fa has yet to provide a definition of “Woman”. It all seems to be too hard for a brilliant BEc (Fail), BJ’ism (who cares).
And it is not unknown for some to register with more than one charity, so collecting multiple handouts.
Your M.O., eh SpongeBob?
Oh God.
The Vatican in South Australia.
Bruce of Ncl
Dr BG – the Aussies lost many men to “surrendering” Japanese, who especially liked to conceal a hand grenade with the pin pulled out. After a while the guys decided not to take chances.
That started as early as Milne Bay in August 1942, when wounded or supposedly dead Japanese picked up weapons when left to be collected by the medical staff, and shot their captors in the back as they advanced further.
Also, the obvious evidence of Japanese atrocities (torturing Australians and Papuans to death, cannibalism) there and on the Kokoda Trail did not encourage tender feelings.
Kind of appropriate for Moira to have the surname Deeming.
There’s been a set of assumptions straight out of the woke playbook used to assess her.
The DeemSter is pretty Woke herself.
While on Melton Council, she moved several times [unsuccessfully] for council to build separate Trans lavatories.
One former Liberal staffer described her Upper House preselection last year as Katherine Deves 2.0.
Is she a Lezzo?
They’re Box Office poison out in Voterland, you know?
Fair enough. I’d do the same.
Likewise the presumption of guilty intentions of many an apparently non military bloke in a war zone. Also, going and asking the relatives of combatants and assuming that the answers are truthful is manifestly idiotic or deliberately malicious. I get all that.
All the same, I’d like to be able to trust our side to be the good guys. I’m not convinced either way.
Absolutely!
I’ve read that some of the Japanese who ‘surrendered’ came with booby traps prepared, but is that any more deceitful than dropping false hope to desperate men?
It certainly tarnished the the righteous image of ‘the bronzed Aussie soldier’ a tad.
Building separate Trans Loos is not a bad idea. At least the ladies is kept for women.
From a gruinaid reporting on the incident…
Despite Mr Pesutto saying it was the involvement of neo-Nazis that prompted action, others within the party said her expulsion would be viewed as a result of her stance on transgender rights.
They warned it risked alienating some of the party’s base.
The Lib party base is cocks in frocks? Dykes on Bikes? Toddlers in transition?
Has anyone told Menzies?
“At least the ladies is kept for women.”
But therein lies the rub, they don’t want that. They want to invade our spaces.
“At least the ladies is kept for women.”
But therein lies the rub, they don’t want that. They want to invade our spaces.
It’s a broad church.
Precisely.
Dr BG – the Aussies lost many men to “surrendering” Japanese, who especially liked to conceal a hand grenade with the pin pulled out. After a while the guys decided not to take chances.
There is nothing “fair” about war. Stop trying to pretend there is.
BTW, watched a Youtube vid the other night on 75 Squadron RAAF defence of Port Moresby in 1942.
Introduced by Geoffrey Robertson but don’t let that put you off. Recommended.
“The Lib party base is cocks in frocks? Dykes on Bikes? Toddlers in transition?
And various assorted fetishists and furries.
To be honest, watching Pussoto on Credlin, I felt embarrassed for him. He’s a weasel.
I’m glad Bolt and Latham have mended fences. I wonder if they reconnected at Cardinal Pell’s funeral (both attended). If so, that would be nice, I’m sure Cardinal Pell is looking down from heaven smiling.
I see Ms. Keen-Minshull has asked for a public apology or she’ll sue for defamation in regard to the Nazi slurs.
Some important learnings headed his way.
At huge cost to the Aussie taxpayer for a tiny percent of the population. But I doubt that there’s any alternative, although the trans will be furious that we’ve removed their reason to be furious.
And while we’re at it, might as well establish trans only sporting events so that all those brave athletes can compete against similarly matched competitors, instead of puny women. And with the number of trans kids soaring, drag hag story hour can be exclusively for all those kiddies: no boring cissies allowed.
H/T Kaysee from Dash Cat.
Another good point of having separate Tans Loos is there’s little cleaning and maintenance required as there’s bugger all Trans people around in reality.
I see Ms. Keen-Minshull has asked for a public apology or she’ll sue for defamation in regard to the Nazi slurs.
That would be lovely. I’ll tell my mate, a defamation specialist, to get in touch with her.
This is the introduction to my Lethality in Combat, sans footnotes:
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
John Stuart Mill – English economist & philosopher (1806 – 1873)
Chapter 1. Lethality in Combat – a study of the true nature of battle
This book was written for a number of reasons. The first is that it seeks to illustrate the truth of combat. It sets out to destroy several myths, and to understand the true nature of lethal behaviour in war.
It also seeks to counter an attitude that seems to have developed amongst some people that lethal behaviour in battle is somehow wrong. Joanna Bourke, for example, in An Intimate History of Killing, said that she aimed to “put killing back into military history” , and presents to her readers her disgust that armies and soldiers have undergone a “monstrous and multifarious celebration of violence”. Of course they did, and they still should – if they want to survive and to win. The whole point of warfare is be lethal, and that means the training for combat must concentrate on making people into killers. Indeed, what Burke condemns, in a “celebration of violence” is to be applauded, for only by being enthusiastic about their task can those placed in the actuality of combat survive.
The studies of SLA Marshall in World War II suggested that troops have an aversion to taking life. As a result, a more positive attitude towards being lethal was introduced in many armed forces, with more aggression worked into initial training; dehumanising of the enemy to make better targeting, and greater firepower introduced into the battlefield. Marshall may well be right in that soldiers may begin their combat experience with aversion. But that must be changed, and usually is changed, to make those charged with dealing in death more capable. Successful soldiers in battle are killers, and they must be determined to kill.
Warfare is about exterminating the enemy. It is unpleasant for some, and for others it probably is the ultimate “high”. Nevertheless, it is sometimes necessary for countries to go to war. And when they do, it is foolish to go into combat with too many restrictions: the idea is to win, with as minimal a cost to your side as possible. But films such as Platoon portray the infantry soldier in a negative light: he is sinning; he is doing bad things; he is to be condemned. It has become fashionable to attack those who go too far, such as Lieutenant Calley in Vietnam, without considering what sort of constraints and demands were placed on those soldiers, and what system allowed them to do what are undeniably bad things. The aggression unleashed by modern warriors is debated by people sitting at home, who have the wars of today beamed into their lounge rooms, and who find it easy and fashionable to criticise their own soldiers for firing at retreating Iraqi troops. Political parties and the United Nations insist on placing foolish Rules of Engagement on the soldier in combat. A “Green” political party announces that it will save money by getting rid of the “offensive” capabilities of a country’s armed force. A soldier is charged with “kicking an enemy corpse” after combat. Another is branded a murderer on the front page of national newspapers for ensuring that a wounded non-uniformed guerilla is actually dead by shooting him when he stirs. British soldiers on duty in Iraq cynically suggest they need a solicitor with them before they shoot back at any Iraqi who attacks them.
Bourke presents us with instances such as “In 1955 two senior American officers directed that ‘the killing of an individual enemy with a rifle, grenade, bayonet – yes, even the bare hands – is the mission of the Army’”. Her tone suggests that sort of behaviour is wrong; worthy of condemnation, evil, and to be outlawed. This book suggests a dichotomous alternative – that it is correct, to be practised with eagerness, and carried out efficiently. That is what soldiers are for, and that is what they fight for – to survive and to win. The reader must suspend their aversion and horror to examine and understand the true face of battle.
This book looks at infantry fighting, tactical aviation combat, and submarine attacks on shipping, and argues:
• That while warriors may be initially reluctant to engage in taking life, once combat is joined and the first fatality inflicted, they are more lethal than we usually suppose;
• Many engage in inflicting death with ferocity, and that indeed to be effective, soldiers need to be “enthusiastic warriors”;
• That while public revulsion at the trade of the soldier is a facet of first battles, as the civilian defendants are targeted they become more sympathetic to the soldier’s creed and necessary behaviour in battle;
• Many soldiers fail to take surrender, and prisoners are often shot out of hand rather than taken. This is often unavoidable, and sometimes even military necessity;
• The dead enemy are often mistreated, and this may well be normal behaviour;
• If combatants can possibly be confused with civilians, then civilians are routinely despatched;
• Such scenarios are part of all tactical combat, and further examples are given from the areas of aviation and submarine warfare;
• Such scenarios are part of normal battle, and cannot be easily discarded, without psychological disadvantage to those who avoid the truth of battle;
• That given such lethality, the concept of “rules of war” are questionable;
• That if these behaviours normally occur, then most warriors engage in war crimes;
• That if this condition is unavoidable, then the concept of tactical war crimes is flawed.
The work is a request for a change in the conventions and rules of warfare. It is not encouragement for ferocious combat without some semblance of rules or pity, but to correct what the author perceives are inconsistencies and illogicalities.
Shakespeare gave us the line “Cry ‘Havoc’, and let slip the dogs of war”. We need to reevaluate our understanding of what happens when the dogs of war are let off the leash. If we want lethality from warriors, then we will also have to understand the human nature of the warriors that we let go: they will kill with ferocity, and the genie cannot be put back in the bottle.
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“Some important learnings headed his way.”
Teachable moment.
Jumping to conclusions without even identifying who the Black Shorts are.
Well done political leaders.
Despite Mr Pesutto saying it was the involvement of neo-Nazis that prompted action, others within the party said her expulsion would be viewed as a result of her stance on transgender rights.
Moira Deeming is as Woke as they get, that’s the turnoff for the Liberal Party base.
Where those rights stop for her is Womens Toilets and she wants everyone to know about it.
The woman is an embarrassment, whoever was behind her preselection [David Davis?] needs a boot up the arse.
Pesutto is what happens when you convince yourself that betraying your supporters are a viable political strategy.
They’ve been doing it since 1975 but a line was crossed in 2015 imo.
There’s no soaring numbers of Trans kids.
There’s a lot of teen female psychosis going on and very few boys except the gay ones who’ve been told that they should be medically mutated into a facsimile of a woman instead of just being a gay guy.
Richard Cranium
While on Melton Council, she moved several times [unsuccessfully] for council to build separate Trans lavatories.
One former Liberal staffer described her Upper House preselection last year as Katherine Deves 2.0.
“One former Liberal staffer”. Is that like “sources say”? Is that the usual standard of “evidence” that you accept?
Idiot, Labor shill.
Excellent article about the Iraq debacle. One good thing is that it seemed to end the Bush dynasty.
Economic catallaxians,
can anyone understand what this bird is explaining?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y67IP6XTPc&t=2833s
It’s supposedly a rationale for how non-linear relationships between wealth and production can result in a poverty trap, but I don’t understand what the diagram means and how she justifies the horizontal moves from one day’s work to the next day’s wealth.
“Some important learnings headed his way.”
Yes please. Lawyers need to be called in. I watched him on Credlin and quite frankly, he’s a embarrassment and a complete and utter f*ckwit. Worse than Matthew Guy.
I think Deeming is supporting women’s rights and not trans rights. Her push to have trans toilets I take as support for women.
However pretty sure activist and perhaps fake trans would still want to use women’s toilets even if trans toilets available. To them using women’s toilets makes them female even if still have a penis.
rosiesays:
March 20, 2023 at 8:30 pm
Jumping to conclusions without even identifying who the Black Shorts are.
Well done political leaders.
Seems pretty certain that at least some of the police present know exactly who they are.
What Calley did in Vietnam was wrong.
I understand that soldiers have to be trained to kill, but they can reasonably be expected to kill some people and not others. Just shrugging your shoulders when they kill women and children isn’t good enough. I’d have more sympathy if they killed their officers. The officers are a bigger personal threat.
Ah, yes…Mill; yet another of those damned liberals.
Quite so, Gez. What I should have said is: the soaring Munchausen by proxy single mothers who are desperately craving approval and relevance by mutilating their children.
Seems pretty certain that at least some of the police present know exactly who they are.
Pretty obvious it’s a Spook production, Cletus.
Deeming was dressed in black, giving a speech on the steps, flanked by masked spooks dressed in black and banners proclaiming
Death To Cletus, but it’s okay because she’s just a stupid dope.
Is that it?
I’ve read accounts of that war, which condemned Calley and his men but drew a veil over, for example, the murder of six thousand South Vietnamese civilians after the fall of Hue, in the 1968 Tet offensive.
The Calley massacre
Lieutenant William Calley, the US Army 2nd Lieutenant officer who was held responsible for the My Lai massacre in Vietnam, put his experience into his own words after his trial. The account is significant.
Calley’s troops were sniped at from Vietnamese villages, but they hardly made any contact with the enemy. They searched hamlets; found friendly villagers, but then found Vietcong flags. Calley was constantly asked what his unit’s body count was. They took reprisals for being sniped at, burning villages down. He interrogated civilians for the locations of the VC, and got nowhere.
Calley took a VC prisoner; sent him to the military police, who got nothing out of him, and Calley took the same prisoner again three weeks later. On querying this with the MPs he was told: “…So why didn’t you go and shoot him? I can’t,” the MP said. “I’m at headquarters with the Geneva people on me.” The MP complained about having to house and feed prisoners, and accept their word that they were not VC. He finished up by advising Calley to shoot his prisoners if he didn’t want to see them released.
This frustration was commented upon by Second Lieutenant Robert Ransom Jr, an infantry platoon commander in Vietnam. He noted that:
…more than once we have captured or killed people with weapons whom we recognized as one of those smiling faces we had picked up and released earlier. It’s maddening because we know damn well that they’re dinks but we can’t do anything to them until we catch them with a weapon or actually shooting at us.
Despite these sort of difficult situations for himself and his men, Calley did not execute “suspected VC” or civilians in the field. He says however, that: “Everyone said eliminate them. I never met someone who didn’t say it”. Then his troops lost a squad leader to a booby trap set in a village; killed an injured Vietnamese woman in reprisal, and then planned their response. According to the court-martial record, Captain Medina told the preliminary briefing that the women and children would be out of the hamlet and all they could expect to encounter would be the opposition. The soldiers were to explode brick homes, set fire to thatch homes, shoot livestock, poison wells, and destroy the enemy. The soldiers, approximately 75 in number, would be supported in their assault by gunship pilots.
Medina later said he did not give any instructions as to what to do with women and children in the village. Some soldiers agreed with that recollection, others thought that he had ordered them to kill every person in the village. It does seem that Medina intentionally gave the impression that everyone in My Lai would be their enemy. As we have seen, women, children, and old people in Vietnam sometimes could be.
On 16 March, 1968, when landing from helicopters, the troops took ground fire. They began killing civilians; at first one by one in different ways, and in different areas; then more, and then many together in a ravine. Several soldiers testified they killed the civilians: in one case the witness said he regarded them as Viet Cong, and added during testimony, that he still did. Calley was in tactical command on the spot, and it seems he took part in the shooting of around 500 civilians, executed by single shots; and bursts of automatic gunfire. By lunchtime, there was no-one left alive.
With the operation over, Calley and his men returned to normal operations. In Calley’s account, there was developing a casual attitude towards death, and the general feeling was to
…kill every man, woman and child in South Vietnam. GIs said to use napalm, or low-yield atomic bombs…or to line up along the China sea and say, “Prepare to shake hands with your ancestors. We are rolling through….a GI became a quick philosopher and would say, “God, if I go and kill everyone here, I could leave”.
Some while later, after two of the men present had complained of the actions, Calley was transported back to the United States and tried. He was found guilty, and served a period – under three years – in an Army prison, and was then released. He is still alive, and works in his father’s jewelry business.
During the trial, and after it, he received considerable support from around America, which included letters from numerous veterans. This was for a variety of reasons, perhaps partly because in Richard Holmes’ words, with the advent of television beaming the conflict into lounger-rooms “War has become moving wallpaper, and its familiar pattern no longer horrifies us” , but also because, in summing up many arguments, such procedures were acknowledged as being the norm. In His Own Story, Calley recounted that he had received around “5000” letters during the period of his trial. He listed some of the statements in which some recounted events similar to the massacre:
I served in Korea from June 1953 to August 1954. I heard of many similar incidents.
I’m a retired marine. I spent twenty years in the service of God and Country. I was in two operations in Korea where women and children were killed.
In 1943, 1944, 1945, and 1946 I was a first lieutenant with 45th Infantry Division. I was witness to many incidents similar to the one you’re being held for.
I served in combat in the German war. My fellow soldiers and I did on occasion kill enemy soldiers, civilians and children. Marquess of Queensbury rules do not prevail in war.
During my duty in Africa we were under orders to shoot the Arabs to keep them from taking our clothes.
I was given the order to seal a cave where a mother and her eleven or twelve children were holed up. This took place in 1944 on the island of Ie Shima.
On Okinawa, I saw men throw grenades on old men and women, figuring what the hell – they’re the enemy…
Many years ago I had a platoon, and we went through the villages as you and your people had to.
Calley recounted that he was amazed that he had been charged when it was common practice to target civilians:
I couldn’t understand it. An investigation of Mylai. Why not Operation Golden Fleece? Or Operation Norfolk? Or Operation Dragon Valley? Or why not Saigon itself? We had killed hundreds of men, women and children there in February and March, 1968: in Tet…simply read it in Stars and Stripes. Or the New York Times.
His allegation that such massacres were carried out is supported by others. Cherokee Paul McDonald said of his Vietnam experience: “Both sides had their My Lais – ours were rare and highly publicized, theirs were continuous throughout the war and after and largely dismissed, ignored, defended, or rationalised by brave intellectuals.”
David Hackworth, who commanded Tiger Force, although not in the period covered by The Toledo Blade, supported this scenario:
“Vietnam was an atrocity from the get-go,” Hackworth said in a recent telephone interview. “It was that kind of war, a frontless war of great frustration. It was out of hand very early. There were hundreds of My Lais. You got your card punched by the numbers of bodies you counted.
The US Army today refers to these incidents as “misconduct stress behaviour” and notes without ironical inflexion that: “…overstressed human beings with loaded weapons are inherently dangerous”. Its Handbook gives examples of such frustration in the field and also orders:
Commission of murder and other atrocities against noncombatants must be reported as a war crime and punished if responsibility is established. This must be done even though we may pity the overstressed soldier as well as the victims.
A central point of this work though is that if infantry are placed in a situation where civilians may be identified as combatants, then those soldiers will doubtless make mistakes and kill civilians who are not combatants. The politicians – and behind them the people – who make the decisions to send warriors into such situations need to accept their part of this responsibility.
: the soaring Munchausen by proxy single mothers who are desperately craving approval and relevance by mutilating their children.
That’s not quite right either.
The figures from America show 99% of those seeking Gender reassignment are teenage girls, probably with some genetic disorder which means they won’t be having kids anyway.
Male to Female sex change is essentially an impossibility that results in a grisly death, though it’s still occasionally attempted.
Anyone heard of Group Captain Catherine McGregor lately? She’s been quiet.
At least it’s got them off the Ritalin.
Taylor Sheridan, the writer of Yellowstone and its tough as nails precursors, also wrote the Siccaro movies, arguably the best of their kind. The guy certainly doesn’t bother with sentiment.
Calley was in tactical command on the spot, and it seems he took part in the shooting of around 500 civilians, executed by single shots; and bursts of automatic gunfire. By lunchtime, there was no-one left alive.
This part is incorrect.
Lt. Calley was not on the scene that day, the order was given by another Lieutenant, who was KIA a coupla days later.
Calley was a Scapegoat.
This account also fails to mention that the murdering G.I.s were all Black soldiers
Berka
It is about smoothing income. The vertical to horizontal moves are income shifting in one period.
I know she’s well credentialed but it is too blackboard-ey for me.
Read the Elsevier Handbook on Developmental Economics. Hard data, not theoretical models.
“Hello, I’m Mister Ed”
A horse is a horse, of course, of course,
And no one can talk to a horse of course
That is, of course, unless the horse is the famous Mr. Ed.
Go right to the source and ask the horse
He’ll give you the answer that you’ll endorse.
He’s always on a steady course.
Talk to Mr. Ed.
People yakkity yak a streak and waste your time of day
But Mister Ed will never speak unless he has something to say.
A horse is a horse, of course, of course,
And this one’ll talk ’til his voice is hoarse.
You never heard of a talking horse?
Well listen to this.
I am Mister Ed.
h/t Jay Livingston and Ray Evans
Have you finished the days moisturising Groogs? And got a few packets of silica gel for Mother.
Also missing from Calley’s account [which is understandable, since he wasn’t present], were the Rapes and Pack Rapes committed by the Black Troops.
They never do or will.
Ed, I’m not going to talk to you about this. Saying ridiculous things like Calley was not present on the day is just trying to get a rise. If you want to start throwing your new version of any story into a debate then you need sources.
Calley got Life, Nixon Pardoned him the following day.
Basically, it was a shitshow.
Nixon was sitting on stats that showed massive Black criminality, he’d fudged the 1970 Census Data by including the Hispanic category for the first time, which lowered the Black population numbers, but also his some Black Crime stats among the hispanic category.
The last thing he wanted was for the Calley Trial to canvass the appalling brutality of Black troops during American involvement in
the Vietnam War.
Ed, I’m not going to talk to you about this.
Good idea.
By the way, where are your sources, and how accurate are they, since they failed to mention a couple of very controversial aspects?
These slurs from the lib leader in victoristan, the filth and various media scum against the ladies protesting trannies are going to end up in court.
Top Ender says:
March 20, 2023 at 8:28 pm
This is the introduction to my Lethality in Combat, sans footnotes:
War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse.
The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
John Stuart Mill – English economist & philosopher (1806 – 1873)
Chapter 1. Lethality in Combat – a study of the true nature of battle
People Sleep Peacefully in Their Beds at Night Only Because Rough Men Stand Ready to Do Violence on Their Behal
Thanks to the work of Garson O’Toole, the famous Quote Investigator, and other experts listed in the blog post for this episode, here’s a chronological look at what happened, and how the quote came to be “Orwell-ized.”
Let’s start with Kipling. The basic ideas behind this quote started with him.
Parts of Kipling’s 1890 poem entitled “Tommy” (referring to “Tommy Atkins,” the British slang for a common soldier) were about the all-too-common late-Victorian habit of making fun of common soldiers. In working-class lingo, Kipling wrote that people were:
O makin’ mock o’ uniforms that guard you while you sleep.
Fifty-ish years later, George Orwell wrote an essay that referred to this Kipling poem. There, Orwell wrote:
A humanitarian is always a hypocrite, and Kipling’s understanding of this is perhaps the central secret of his power to create telling phrases. It would be difficult to hit off the one-eyed pacifism of the English in fewer words than in the phrase, ‘making mock of uniforms that guard you while you sleep’.
He sees clearly that men can only be highly civilized while other men, inevitably less civilized, are there to guard and feed them.
(Collected Essays of George Orwell, 1942.)
Although he used the concept in other pieces during World War II, what I just quoted is as close as Orwell got to the wording of the quote we’re looking at today.
Then, in 1963, John Le Carré’s novel, The Spy Who Came in from the Cold, included the central character, “Control” (for those in the know about Le Carré’s work). In one particularly reflective moment, Control justified Cold War spying by saying to a colleague:
Thus we do disagreeable things, but we are defensive. That, I think, is still fair. We do disagreeable things so that ordinary people here and elsewhere can sleep safely in their beds at night. (p. 19)
It’s not clear whether Le Carré’s “Control” was deliberately invoking Kipling. But it’s highly probable that the Orwell version of the Kipling idea was well known enough that Le Carré could slide it into his character’s dialog easily, and be relatively confident his readers would know and understand the provenance.
As far as the experts can determine, the phrase was next uttered in the US Congress in 1967. Representative L. Mendel Rivers from South Carolina said:
I wish some way could be found to get into the heads of those who carry out pacifist and so-called anti-Vietnam demonstrations the truth of George Orwell’s words about pacifism in our time:
“One can only abjure violence because others are prepared to endure violence on their behalf.”
But the crucial attribution was made by right-wing columnist, Richard Grenier. In 1993, he wrote:
When the country is in danger, the military’s mission is to wreak destruction upon the enemy. It’s a harsh and bloody business, but that’s what the military’s for. As George Orwell pointed out, people sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
This is a paraphrase of the two quotations I gave from Orwell earlier, and Grenier didn’t put it in quotation marks so he probably meant it as a summation of Orwell’s thoughts.
From there, the Grenier version of the quote was repeated in the National Review in 1997. And then, that famous (and, in my Buzzkill opinion, too-highly-regarded) George Will used the Grenier version in his newspaper column in 1998. Will wrote:
Remember George Orwell’s unminced words: “We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.” (Chicago Sun-Times, 21 Nov 1998)
Ironically, Orwell’s ideas had indeed been minced by various people up to and including Grenier. But once George Will says it, it’s more or less set in stone, especially by those who consider him some sort of sage. So, to “quote” Groucho Marx (or was it Mark Twain, or maybe Yogi Berra?), from there we were off to the races. The quote was used again and again during the War on Terror in the early 21st century (when it was also wrongly attributed to Churchill), and it’s been with us as accepted wisdom ever since and repeated ad nauseum.
My conclusion, therefore, is the same as Garson O’Toole’s: the concept was certainly Orwell’s, but the phrasing was Richard Grenier’s. Is this pedantry, or is the distinction between the two important?
there may not be where you are, but there is around here
I see Ed is spraying flatus from his gob.
And there it is- Ed-Mong being a racist turd. Again.
Designed to be linked to some lefty nest of internet clippings to show “ this site is racist”
Also
The little fact photographic evidence shows you are a lying liar lying lyingly doesn’t embarrass you?
You dipshit tard
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/mylai-massacre-evidence/
Ed Casesays:
March 20, 2023 at 8:50 pm
Seems pretty certain that at least some of the police present know exactly who they are.
Pretty obvious it’s a Spook production, Cletus.
Deeming was dressed in black, giving a speech on the steps, flanked by masked spooks dressed in black and banners proclaiming
Death To Cletus, but it’s okay because she’s just a stupid dope.
Is that it?
Are you on drugs?
And where is your evidence of Curtin’s alleged treachery?
The figures from America show 99% of those seeking Gender reassignment are teenage girls, probably with some genetic disorder which means they won’t be having kids anyway.
Dr Richard Cranium diagnoses genetic disorders from thousands of kilometres away. He’s a genius, just ask him, he’ll tell you.
“These slurs from the lib leader in victoristan, the filth and various media scum against the ladies protesting trannies are going to end up in court.”
I really, truly ruly hope so.
These slurs from the lib leader in victoristan, the filth and various media scum against the ladies protesting trannies are going to end up in court.
About as likely as sightings of the Loch Ness monster.
Only one masked black shirt has gotta come forward with the story of who paid him and it’s all over.
Top Endersays:
March 20, 2023 at 9:14 pm
Ed, I’m not going to talk to you about this. Saying ridiculous things like Calley was not present on the day is just trying to get a rise. If you want to start throwing your new version of any story into a debate then you need sources.
Dick Ed don’t do sources. He does fiction.
Richard Cranium
Only one masked black shirt has gotta come forward with the story of who paid him and it’s all over.
Exxxxxcelllllent! Dick Ed has discovered why the police simply escorted them away, rather than arresting them.
Rationalised by brave intellectuals.
Here’s my rationalisation – if an enemy deliberately seeds women, children and other noncombatants within their ranks, and then counts on their opposition going into combat half-hearted knowing that, and those noncombatants are killed in the process:
It’s on the enemy. Not the opposition that kill them. The enemy.
The End.
About as likely as sightings of the Loch Ness monster.
Ah yes, the Loch Ness precedent. What a fu.king legal scholar you are crotchless.
Only one masked black shirt has gotta come forward with the story of who paid him and it’s all over.
About as likely as you having sex with Nessie.
NSW Law society all in for the screech:
Systemic racism has been prominent in the history of our country, and the impact of some of its laws, both historical and current, on different groups, in particular First Nations people, has been severe.
What infantry are taught:
Nowhere in there is anything about holding conferences mid-assault to determine who is what, or pressing reset buttons (hello all Call of Duty fans). The goal is:
1. See above;
2. Ensuring the people you are with survive; and
3. Ensuring you survive.
In that order. If there is doubt, they don’t get out.
John Stuart Mill, as quoted by TE at 8.30:
mUnter!
Get in here!
Wonder how much pro bono work this woman has done, representing the bashed women and abused children, in places like Bourke and Wilcannia.
+100
The Vic liberal leader that spouted off is too stupid for politics if he did it outside of parliament.