Open Thread – Weekend 22 April 2023


Fireworks in the Park, Konstantin Somov, 1907

1,439 responses to “Open Thread – Weekend 22 April 2023”

  1. Wally Dalí Avatar
    Wally Dalí

    Ducked into the barbershop today.
    Can I get a cut?
    Yep sure, hop in the chair while this other girl gets off the computer- are you in our system?
    I hope not, but I’m in the chair now, so go for it, short back n sides.
    Errrr okay… errrr… I’ll have to enter you in our system
    What, for insurance? In case you lop off an ear or something?
    Er because that’s what our boss says, she’s not here
    I’ve got cash. [I was being much more urbane than this telling makes it seem]
    Yeah you’ve got to be in our system.
    No I don’t.
    Errr. er mer gerd. Erm [Makes much work of applying various paper towel wrappings and cape, confers with another twenty five year old dimbo, who waddles over with a computer tablet]
    Hi er yeah just give me your name and a number and I’ll get you in our system okaiy?
    Smith, W, 6078.
    [no, I didn’t really say that, I did say-]
    Look, I’m not willing to give you my name or any sort of other identity reference. If you can’t do me a haircut, I’ll leave.
    Erm erm er okay then [removes barbershop tatt, I remove myself]
    …strange days.

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  2. Tintarella di Luna Avatar
    Tintarella di Luna

    Dirty hospitals? I seem to recall “Spotless”, beloved of unions and a certain Premier getting the contract.

    No wonder they’re filthy.

    Indeed, remember that so well Neville Wran, John Laws and hello hello hello; one Malcolm Blight Turnbull — it was the Allcorp Cleaning Business Pty Ltd if I recall correctly — wow what a brilliant thing, putting all the little local cleaners of schools, hospitals etc… out of work. to say nothing of the lucrative cleaning contracts for TNT, Channel 10, exclusive gyms etc…… talk about dumping on the little people. How very very Labor.

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  3. Muddy Avatar
    Muddy

    Bruce: I don’t think the Japanese could have spared the forces to land at Darwin or Broome, and I suspect the Japanese presence on Timor was more of a defensive nature. No doubt Top Ender has a more nuanced view on this.

    Yes, the 2/2nd and 2/4th Australian Independent Companies (with a smattering of 2/40th Bn men I believe, some Portuguese and of course, the native Timorese), did a great job.

    The story of the No. 1 Australian Independent Company section which survived on Bougainville is a fascinating one.

  4. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    I’ve just watched the very good Netflix documentary on the White Island tragedy. The documentary outlines the lead up to the disaster, and exactly what happened that awful, awful day. The doco is also a testament to human strength and survival, and to how those who survived have since coped with the horrendous burns they received on the island, but it’s also a testament to modern medicine, when you realise how far we have advanced in treating severe bodily burns. The burns from the White Island eruption were caused by white gas and scalding steam, which penetrated through clothes, burning the skin but not damaging clothes. The survivors spoke of their flesh simply falling off their bodies. Burns from scalding steam are horrific. I was sitting imagining the horror of those burns. After watching the documentary, I then made some chicken soup in my pressure cooker (I love pressure cookers). I’ve burnt myself from steam before, it’s agony, and I find it unfathomable to imagine such burns across one’s whole body. Standing in front of the stove, releasing the steam from the pressure cooker, I realised that the science is the same, that the eruption on White Island (which continues) was a massive release of gas and steam.

    And you know what’s also terrible? Nobody has taken responsibility for what happened that awful day on the island. Saint Jacinda’s government never did.

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  5. Tintarella di Luna Avatar
    Tintarella di Luna

    Saint Jacinda’s government never did.

    I find it quite amazing how much alike are Jacinda Ardern and Alissa Heinerscheid of Bud Light fame.

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  6. Muddy Avatar
    Muddy

    Wally.
    If the holographic version of yourself didn’t check in for a social credit score evaluation before the less-pure flesh version arrived, that’s the problem. HoloWally must precede FleshWally by at least 20 minutes I believe – it’s the price of Soshul Saefty.

  7. Tintarella di Luna Avatar
    Tintarella di Luna

    Cassie of Sydneysays:
    April 22, 2023 at 8:24 pm

    The horrific injuries and the deaths of 22 people, 12 of them Australian.

  8. Wally Dalí Avatar
    Wally Dalí

    Cassie, my memory is that the White Island tour operators were operating under a full disclosure of the risks, with full insurance too, but Ardern has some serious beak to face in ordering private helicopter operators to stay out and wait for the coastguard, and then ordering the coastguard choppers to bypass triage from the waiting paramedic ambulances on shore for the much longer trip to a regional hospital.

  9. Wally Dalí Avatar
    Wally Dalí

    The “papers, bitte!” routine of 2020-2022 is still front of mind, Muddy. I never complied then, and I’m not getting lulled into a soft start now.

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  10. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    Nobody has taken responsibility for what happened that awful day on the island

    Fair enough – but it’s a volcano, and an active volcano at that. Seismology will only take you so far*, and people will happily spend cash to go near them so they can say they have – thus spawning an excellent sideline for the cruise industry.

    The thing was simmering for years, which is less than a heartbeat in geological terms.

    *Volcanoes and earthquakes. Can’t be predicted with certainty, although predicted 100% of the time with hindsight – like Mount St. Helens in 1980.

  11. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Bruce: I don’t think the Japanese could have spared the forces to land at Darwin or Broome, and I suspect the Japanese presence on Timor was more of a defensive nature.

    Hehe, sorry Muddy. It’s something that I’ve poked military Cats in their soft spots with from time to time.

    The hypothesis is this: if the Japanese landed two divisions in Darwin in early 1942 they’d overwhelm the brigade we had in place. Then they could form a perimeter and sit, much like they did in Rabaul.

    What would be the political result of a Japanese beachhead in Northern Australia?

    It’d consume Canberra and the voters utterly! All attention would be focused onto it. Yet the logistics of getting any forces there would be prohibitive. I can imagine an immediate crash project to build a railway north out of Alice Springs. For sure we would not’ve had the political will to reinforce Port Moresby and Milne Bay the way we did. And the USN would have a great deal of difficulty trying to fight in the Arafura Sea rather than the Coral Sea.

    It could’ve put the war back by two years, since the Labor Government would be completely distracted.

    (Don’t bother to reply. It’s an interesting what if, but really not worth much discussion!)

  12. Top Ender Avatar
    Top Ender

    If I were a Japanese in their high command I wouldn’t invade Australia. I’d go ahead with the idea of cutting it off from the USA. Eventually those Aussies would sue for peace.

  13. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    “Cassie, my memory is that the White Island tour operators were operating under a full disclosure of the risks, with full insurance too, but Ardern has some serious beak to face in ordering private helicopter operators to stay out and wait for the coastguard, and then ordering the coastguard choppers to bypass triage from the waiting paramedic ambulances on shore for the much longer trip to a regional hospital.”

    The doco seems to contradict any “full disclosure”. My take from the documentary is that there was a somewhat lackadaisical attitude towards the dangers of the volcano on the island. Anyway, it’s just a terribly sad story, and as Tinta said above, horrific injuries and the deaths of 22 people, 12 of them Australian.

  14. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    “Fair enough – but it’s a volcano, and an active volcano at that. Seismology will only take you so far*, and people will happily spend cash to go near them so they can say they have – thus spawning an excellent sideline for the cruise industry.”

    I agree, nobody should have been on the island. It’s since been closed to tourists, the thing is, it should never ever have been opened to tourists.

  15. Top Ender Avatar
    Top Ender

    Barry Humphries has died.

    Sir Les Patterson has been approached for a comment.

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  16. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    If I were a Japanese in their high command I wouldn’t invade Australia. I’d go ahead with the idea of cutting it off from the USA. Eventually those Aussies would sue for peace.

    The Japanese Army had done their sums – Nine to twelve divisions to occupy the country, of a total order of battle of thirty eight divisions, eighty percent of which was in China, and half a million tons of merchant shipping to transport and supply that force. As you say, far easier to isolate this country and wait.

  17. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    Barry Humphries has died.

  18. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    “Barry Humphries has died.”

    Sad, sad news. I’m glad he passed away here in Oz.

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  19. Muddy Avatar
    Muddy

    I’m with ya there, Wally. My refusal to lie supine and bare my belly has resulted in a dramatic decrease in my quality of life. I don’t regret the decision, but could have done without the subsequent financial and psychological damage. I’ve vowed to never again in my lifetime vote for a political party that existed during the covidiocy.

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  20. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    The White Island disaster came out of nowhere. I have a look at it each week – the Kiwi’s geological service Geonet has volcano webcams and activity reports. They haven’t fixed the crater rim webcam because of the danger but there’s one looking at the island from the mainland.

    For years and years White Island had just steamed quietly. Then it had a very short phreatomagmatic eruption exactly when the poor tourists were visiting. Completely out of the blue. It’s just an example that the world is a dangerous place, which we humans can’t fully predict and certainly can’t control. Sometimes no matter what you do you can be unlucky.

    White island’s eruption history can be seen here.

  21. Rockdoctor Avatar
    Rockdoctor

    As a geologist I can tell you vulcanology in my field has a high casualty rate. Adern is a vacuous clown promoted well beyond her ability but I agree with the above. If you want to visit an active volcano there’s some personal risk.

    The actions of the emergency services suggest said vacuous clown or lackey injected themselves trying to micromanage a situation that should have been left to the commanders on the ground. My thoughts anyway.

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  22. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Vale, Sir Les.

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  23. Muddy Avatar
    Muddy

    I still regard the Japanese aim of isolating Australia with some perplexity. Did they really have the naval and air resources to carry it out? While they could threaten the most direct routes (and certainly New Caledonia is pretty darn close), actually BLOCKING all passage seems unrealistic.

  24. Rockdoctor Avatar
    Rockdoctor

    Wow another piece of the old Australia has departed.

    RIP

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  25. calli Avatar
    calli

    My favourite memory of Humphries was a description he had of his mother. They’d gone to someone’s home for afternoon tea and cake was served.

    Comment…“Bought”.

    A wonderful snapshot of 50’s snobbery.

  26. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    I still regard the Japanese aim of isolating Australia with some perplexity.

    I don’t have a reference, but they were planning on occupying New Caledonia, Fiji and Samoa.

  27. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    Barry Humphries could describe the Australia of old so well. I remember him talking about the stifling sectarianism of Melbourne in the 1930s, 1940s and 1950s. Humphries’ mother, a Presbyterian, had a brother who married a Roman Catholic…oy vey. His mother then refused to associate with her brother and his wife. Humphries, as a young man, would visit his uncle and his wife and as he said, they were very nice people!

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  28. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    If I were a Japanese in their high command I wouldn’t invade Australia.

    A blocking force not an invasion. A political stratagem not a military one.

    Once the 23rd Bgd was overwhelmed the Japanese could’ve withdrawn one division for other assignment.

    The advantage of a defensive position based on Darwin is that they’d have good air basing, support from Timor, and neither the Australian Army nor the RAN could get to it. Nearly as impregnable as Rabaul was. Yet it’d be a magnet for every politician in the country.

  29. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    In the Hair Product Derby, Geelong are handing it out to the Sydney Mancravers – sans lube.

  30. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    White Island erupted continually from 1975 until 2000, then in 2012 and 2016 when the eruptions were at night, and infamously in December 2019 in broad daylight, resulting in loss of 22 lives.

    The bottom line is that the island was always dangerous, and tourists should never have been allowed on the island.

  31. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    In theory every builder/ project manager using fixed price contracts will go belly up

    VBA contracts under $1M are boiler-plate with no rise and fall

    I heard it from a builder

    The Victorian Building Authority (VBA) regulates Victoria’s building and plumbing industries, protecting the community and empowering building practitioners

  32. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Yet it’d be a magnet for every politician in the country.

    Interesting that, when Douglas MacArthur was ordered to Australia, his orders specifically stated that his mission was not the defence of Australia against invasion, and he was not to devote any resources to the recapture of any occupied territory of Australia.

  33. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    I wonder if the education system is not equipping young people with the necessary skills to complete apprenticeships

    we produce soft-cocks with no work ethic or resilience and gimme attitude

    apparently they already know how everything works
    essentially though, they’re too stupid to teach

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  34. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    A sad footnote to the Montevideo Maru story.

    Around 8000 Australians died as prisoners of the Japanese. Around a quarter of them died when their unmarked prison ships were torpedoed by US submarines, most on the Montevideo Maru and the Rakuyo Maru.

    The senior Australian to die as a prisoner of the Japanese, Brigadier Arthur Varley, died with the Rakuyo Maru when she was sunk by USS Sealion (II). IIRC, one of his sons also died as a prisoner of the Japanese. Another was fighting on Bougainville at the end of the war, when the deaths of his father and brother were confirmed.

    The USS Pampanito was one of the submarines present at the sinking of the Rakuyo, but did not sink her, instead sinking the Kachidoki Maru, and causing the deaths of some 400 prisoners on her. Pampanito helped with the rescue of around 150 survivors a couple of days later. She is a museum ship, preserved in San Francisco. Reunions of her crew and some of the survivors were held many years after the war.

  35. Muddy Avatar
    Muddy

    Bruce, I’m tempted to engage, but the night is getting on and it’s almost time to howl at the moon (or maybe a street light).

    Ditto, Zulu. Another day.

    Good night all. Thanks for the greetings. I’m pleased to see many of the familiar delcon you-don’t-matters.

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  36. hzhousewife Avatar
    hzhousewife

    One of my great great grandfather’s grandsons was on the Montevideo Maru.

  37. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Bruce of Newcastlesays:
    April 22, 2023 at 9:08 pm
    If I were a Japanese in their high command I wouldn’t invade Australia.

    A blocking force not an invasion. A political stratagem not a military one.

    Once the 23rd Bgd was overwhelmed the Japanese could’ve withdrawn one division for other assignment.

    Would that have been the division that ended up on Guadalcanal? A division can be in only one place at a time.

  38. Tom Avatar
    Tom

    And it’s goodnight from Australia’s greatest comic creation, Sir Les Patterson.

  39. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    A division can be in only one place at a time.

    Oh, I don’t know.

    Maybe a computer game would tell us for sure. Or a simulator.

  40. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Around 8000 Australians died as prisoners of the Japanese. Around a quarter of them died when their unmarked prison ships were torpedoed by US submarines, most on the Montevideo Maru and the Rakuyo Maru.

    The Americans commenced “unrestricted submarine warfare” against Japan, very soon after Pearl Harbor. When it was proposed to try senior Nazi’s, for waging “Unrestricted submarine warfare” at Nuremberg, certain United States Naval officers pointed out that fact, and at least one offered to give evidence for the defence…

  41. Wally Dalí Avatar
    Wally Dalí

    We’ll never have another Humphries. Like Clive James, his acuity and output was very much a product of an education which valued excellence and pushed hard. And a market which valued live performance. The post-Whitlam class of comedians, even the ostensibly brainy ones like Micaleff and Dave Hughes, are lightweights and cyphers for nothing much else but class envy.

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  42. 132andBush Avatar
    132andBush

    Tintarella di Luna says:
    April 22, 2023 at 8:28 pm
    Saint Jacinda’s government never did.
    I find it quite amazing how much alike are Jacinda Ardern and Alissa Heinerscheid of Bud Light fame.

    One can clearly imagine Sir Les Patterson leaning over and saying in a conspiratorial tone, “well they are from the same stable”.

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  43. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    robots and kit construction will reduce the numbers needed

    you deffo should invest more in robots JC … and you’ll be rich beyond your wildest imaginations

  44. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Would that have been the division that ended up on Guadalcanal? A division can be in only one place at a time.

    BJ – If the Japanese had a citadel in Darwin it would change the dynamics of the whole Solomons campaign. We would not’ve reinforced PNG because we’d be obsessed with the Japanese on Australian soil. So Port Moresby would fall pretty easily – no CMF guys on the Owen Stanleys to stop the overland attack, even if the Battle of the Coral Sea took place.

    But if the Japanese were in Darwin, with supply line from Timor and Ambon the political pressure on the USN to attempt a penetration into the Arafura Sea would be quite big. Who knows what would happen then? It’s pretty decent to fight a carrier battle in the Coral Sea and south of the Solomons, but another thing entirely to try it in the restricted sea room of the Torres Strait and points west.

    I have no idea what would happen. But Guadalcanal was supposed to be a perimeter defensive bastion. If they had had Darwin as such a bastion would they’ve even needed Guadalcanal?

    The alternate history SFs I’ve read are always fun. The US would still have won the war, but maybe in 1946 not 1945. Which isn’t really that much difference in the fullness of things.

  45. Barking Toad Avatar
    Barking Toad

    With the sad passing of Barry Humphries I fondly remember attending one of his live performances at the Canberra Theatre years ago. Brilliantly funny.

    Tomorrow I will spend some hours re-reading that classic written by Sir Leslie Colin Patterson – The Travellers Tool.

  46. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    If you can keep your margins when all about you
    Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
    If you can trust yourself when other trades doubt you,
    But make allowance for their conniving too;
    If you can sand-bag and not be tired by waiting,
    Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
    Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
    And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

    If you can understand a Gantt chart and not make schemes your master;
    If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;
    If you can meet with the builders and corporate investors
    And treat those two impostors just the same;
    If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
    Twisted by consulting engineers to make a trap for fools,
    Or watch the things you gave your labour to, broken,
    And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:

    If you can make one motza of all your winnings
    And risk it on another turn of Dutch Auctions,
    And lose, and start again at your beginnings
    And never breathe a word about your loss;
    If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
    To serve your turn long after your patience is gone,
    And so hold on when there is no money left in the job
    Except the Will which says to them: ‘F’youse!’

    If you can talk with plasterers and keep your virtue,
    Or walk with Plumbers—nor lose the common touch,
    If neither recession nor loving booms can hurt you,
    If all trades count with you, but none too much;
    If you can fill the unforgiving minute
    With sixty seconds’ worth of smoko, run
    Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
    And—which is more—you’ll own a Jet-Ski, my son!

    –with apologies to Kipling

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  47. JC Avatar

    Sad to hear about Barry.

    I saw him a few times. One time was in the. 90s in NY and he became a celebrity there for a short while over there.

    He was doing his Dame Edna skit and I swear, I knew it wasn’t going to work. He’d always got stuck into people from the northern Melbourne burbs when he was local and it was done through interaction with audience members. I thought, Americans would not get all his humor. He picked on a woman from New Jersey and she began to cry. I didn’t see her cry but wifey did. Barry looked mortified but he was really enough of a professional to get through it and continue on.

  48. JC Avatar

    you deffo should invest more in robots JC … and you’ll be rich beyond your wildest imaginations

    I wouldn’t invest in, you dickhead. You God Oracle who causes people to shit themselves when they walk into a room. You f… idiot, Trans.

    It’s hard making a go of of it without targets? 🙂

  49. JC Avatar

    –with apologies to Kipling

    Oh God.

  50. Pattmclit Avatar
    Pattmclit

    OT.
    Why does it seem that all “democracy “ has done all over the world is grow huge debts?

  51. JC Avatar

    OT.
    Why does it seem that all “democracy “ has done all over the world is grow huge debts?

    You don’t think authoritarian regimes have huge debt? China is estimated to be running at around 250% of GDP. The Soviet Union basically collapsed because of it’s unwieldy debt position.

  52. mem Avatar
    mem

    132andBushsays:

    April 22, 2023 at 9:50 pm
    Tintarella di Luna says:
    April 22, 2023 at 8:28 pm
    Saint Jacinda’s government never did.
    I find it quite amazing how much alike are Jacinda Ardern and Alissa Heinerscheid of Bud Light fame.

    One can clearly imagine Sir Les Patterson leaning over and saying in a conspiratorial tone, “well they are from the same stable”.

    Sheesh! Bingo. 100+

  53. Colonel Crispin Berka Avatar
    Colonel Crispin Berka

    Cassie suffering from misplaced White Island Guilt.
    You weren’t there.
    You didn’t order them to their deaths.
    You don’t have to feel guilty.
    Also the authorities didn’t order the tourists to their deaths either.
    Natural disaster.
    That nobody was at fault for that outcome will not necessarily stop the social phenomenon of somebody being blamed anyway.

  54. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    Kid had tv on ABC kids.
    Play school had a inigie with the abo flag t shirt doing propaganda and Gaia worship including honouring elders etc.

    Bastards.

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  55. cohenite Avatar
    cohenite

    Apparently the guy who did these memes has died. Pity.

  56. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    Yep, you won’t see another Barry Humphries in your lifetime. I was late to select a book prize one year at school and ended up with A Treasury of Australian Kitch. It will still be in a box around here somewhere.

  57. Pogria Avatar
    Pogria

    Cohenite, I am so sorry to hear that. I will miss the memes. A highlight of the week.

  58. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    It’s hard making a go of of it without targets

    oh JC, you’re an easy target
    you walking talking single degree-of-freedom system

    what’s a single degree-of-freedom system? I hear you ask
    well … something like a mass suspended by a spring is an example
    only position and velocity, are needed to describe the the system

    it can go back and forth and a certain rate
    sometimes more, but sometime less
    but it’s constrained to only wank back and forth

    a bit like your hand on your favorite vector JC

    …if you know what I mean

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  59. JC Avatar

    oh JC, you’re an easy target
    you walking talking single degree-of-freedom system

    What does that even mean you incoherent drunk?

    what’s a single degree-of-freedom system? I hear you ask
    well … something like a mass suspended by a spring is an example
    only position and velocity, are needed to describe the the system

    What a try hard. This is the self described quickest lip on a building site.

    it can go back and forth and a certain rate
    sometimes more, but sometime less
    but it’s constrained to only wank back and forth

    Trans, you really make an unpleasant alcoholic.

    a bit like your hand on your favorite vector JC

    …if you know what I mean

    He’s vectoring again. Doofus, the only person who takes you seriously here is you. No one else does.

  60. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    JC: nonsense …all the information is in the price
    JC: wait, wait a sec … the price is sending me a message … some sort of signal about price
    JC: ermg … it’s a price-signal
    MT: yep, you finely tuned economic antenna … you pay more because yr too stupid and useless to do it yourself
    JC: tradies will be extinct… erm, robots
    MT: so your bin is overflowing with tissues. Again?
    JC: send me a robot, stat!
    MT: the last robot (AI equipped) told you to wank less
    JC: I want a robot now dammit!!
    MT: yeah … that’s completely blocked [sucks through teeth] that’ll cost you mate … we’re not made of robots you know

  61. JC Avatar

    Trans. just make sure you’re vectoring around on a building site and plug the A/C unit correctly.

    Apologies to Kipling.

    You drunken slob.

  62. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    keep going JC

    would you like me to forward book in another robot service call?

    is Monday too soon?

    …keep in mind that Tuesday is a Public Holiday

  63. Barry Avatar
    Barry

    Uuuunnnngghhh

  64. JC Avatar

    It’s not the same blog experience for you without Liz as the target, is it? She didn’t fight back, while others don’t just fight back; they respond, making you look like a complete asshat. You are a ridiculous drunk. Your only form of argumentation is low IQ condescension as a cover because you add zero to any discussion.

    If you believe building sites aren’t going to be massively more automated, you need to brain scan to see if anything’s in there. Now piss off and stop wasting everyone’s time, Mr. Vector.

  65. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    there is no possible way that building sites will be ‘massively’ automated.
    not now and never in 100 years

    for somebody that pretends to know so much
    you strike me as exceedingly naive

    the biggest advance in 50 years has been Microsoft Teams

    and you should sit in on a meeting so you can work out how utterly ridiculous you sound

  66. Real Deal Avatar
    Real Deal

    I said to my wife just after I heard the news of Barry Humphries’ passing; “Just watch all the luvvies who disowned him come out a claim him as one of their own.” It didn’t take Phillip Adams long did it?

    In the speech Sir Les Patterson gave at Bill Leak’s book launch in 2017, Les disparagingly and ironically referred to “Self-effacing Phillip Adams.” Barry certainly had the pompous old git pegged.

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  67. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    Uuuunnnngghhh

    yeah Barry,

    we’ll sit here in stunned silence while an arse-hat like JC corrupts a fairly normal forum with simplistic gibber

    you go right ahead and keep making mong noises

    like it makes everything better

  68. JC Avatar

    there is no possible way that building sites will be ‘massively’ automated.
    not now and never in 100 years

    Of course they will, dickhead and it will begin in earnest in a decade. Already, an Australian firm is moving towards automated bricklaying.

    for somebody that pretends to know so much
    you strike me as exceedingly naive

    That’s okay. I can live with with that. On the other hand I don’t go around calling myself a god oracle and saying people shit themselves when I walk in a room. That’s what you do, you laughable buffoon.

    the biggest advance in 50 years has been Microsoft Teams

    No, the biggest advance in 50 years is you finding this blog.

    and you should sit in on a meeting so you can work out how utterly ridiculous you sound

    Why does the view that building sites become massively automated sound ridiculous? You haven’t explained why except made low IQ assertions laced with stupid sounding condescension. It’s now time for you to explain, or go sleep it off, Trans, you Vectorizor.

  69. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    and it will begin in earnest in a decade

    more apocrypha from the B Comm?

    any day now, right?

  70. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    Why does the view that building sites become massively automated sound ridiculous?

    do you even know any engineers?

    don’t just wank ‘massively’ here

    go on … ask them how robot plumbers will actually work

  71. Gabor Avatar
    Gabor

    Of course they will, dickhead and it will begin in earnest in a decade. Already, an Australian firm is moving towards automated bricklaying.

    That has been going on over 15 years now, still no takers and no future as long as people want individual style housing on blocks of different level. Son didn’t want to be a baker, so picked bricklaying, smart lad makes heaps more than me.

    Anyway he pointed out to me years ago, WA firm, wasting money.

    Panels for highrise can be factory produced with plumbing and electrics preinstalled, they were doing it since the 70s.

  72. Steve trickler Avatar
    Steve trickler

    Will watch in full tomorrow.

    ——-

    Peter Santenello:

    Native Tribe on the Edge of Megacity ??

  73. Zatara Avatar
    Zatara

    The USN was fixated on Rabaul, so we had to defend it as a price to get the US involved, at least to some extent

    One very strongly suspects the USN was not consulted prior to the deployment of troops to Rabaul in early March 1941, well before the Pacific War had even started. Nor that opinion (assuming they even had one) would have held any weight.

    The Chiefs of Staff of the Australian Armed Forces decided the RAAF should establish a reconnaissance base as far north as possible to monitor any southward movements of Japanese forces in Micronesia. Rabaul was the chosen site for this, but the RAAF chiefs insisted their planes and personnel must have a military garrison to protect them.

    It was decided to send a battalion group (an infantry battalion with supporting specialist units) to protect the RAAF base. A small advance party arrived in Rabaul in early March 1941 to prepare the camp for the main force, which arrived in March and April. This comprised the 2/22nd Battalion of the 2nd AIF, with units of the Army Service Corps and the Army Medical Corps Members of Signals, Engineers and Artillery units came later. The whole group was commanded by Lieutenant Colonel HH Carr and was code-named ‘Lark Force’.

    ‘An inadequate force: The Rabaul strategy’

  74. Hugh Avatar
    Hugh

    Barry Humphries was a legend. Me and the mates used to drink iced cold tubes of foaming Fosters just to be like Barry McKenzie.

  75. Barking Toad Avatar
    Barking Toad

    Thanks Tom for WIP.

    Bud Light getting a deserved thrashing – some crackers there.

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  76. Farmer Gez Avatar
    Farmer Gez

    Barry Humphries depicted Sir Les as a man of Labor.
    Dame Edna is the more likely candidate these days.
    Still works.

  77. 132andBush Avatar
    132andBush

    Barry Humphries depicted Sir Les as a man of Labor.

    These days it’s more likely to be a man IN labour.

  78. GreyRanga Avatar
    GreyRanga

    Looked like Krudd in the Bud Light ad.

  79. JC Avatar
    JC

    do you even know any engineers?

    I know a fraud who has come on here at the cat several times pretending he’s an engineer but he’s just an A/c repairman.
    Trans, do you do reverse cycle?

    don’t just wank ‘massively’ here

    Says the queen of wanking.

    go on … ask them how robot plumbers will actually work

    It was an engineer who suggested most homes will be prefabricated in the future requiring far less human input. He was obviously “wanking”. You dickhead.

    Here’s a chance for you to finally explain it all to us , you building site genius. Tell us why you believe construction can’t be more automated than it is now.

    Go!

  80. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    Cassie suffering from misplaced White Island Guilt.
    You weren’t there.
    You didn’t order them to their deaths.
    You don’t have to feel guilty.
    Also the authorities didn’t order the tourists to their deaths either.
    Natural disaster.
    That nobody was at fault for that outcome will not necessarily stop the social phenomenon of somebody being blamed anyway.”

    Firstly, I’m not suffering from any “misplaced White Island Guilt”, I watched a documentary, quite a good one, about what precisely ensued that awful day, in which the survivors spoke about what happened. But what would those survivors know about what happened? Oh that’s right, “they were there” on the island, when the volcano erupted.

    Secondly, I never wrote that it wasn’t a natural disaster, however I do think tourists should never have been allowed on the island. As I wrote last night, the documentary alludes to the tour operator’s casual attitudes about the ongoing dangers of the volcano on the island.

    Thirdly, what “guilt”? I don’t feel guilt about White Island, but one can feel “sad”, because disasters, natural or man made are “sad”. I remember watching a documentary on the Indian Ocean tsunami of 2004 and I felt “sad”.

    I note your initials are “CCB”, but since you clearly like to ascribe to me above how I think or should think, perhaps your initials should be “CCP”.

  81. shatterzzz Avatar
    shatterzzz

    Thanx Tom ..
    Rosa Parkes getz my laff for the day .. LOL!

  82. Black Ball Avatar
    Black Ball

    Piers Akerman:

    The AUKUS deal means we must plunge into the deep end of nuclear technology immediately and there is nothing to indicate any appreciation in Canberra of the massive but essential cultural change necessary.

    We are totally unprepared for this challenge.

    Further, the government’s proven inability to deal with technological change, let alone the Defence department’s continual failure to grasp the basic concepts of procurement contracts, does not bode well for the $268 billion to $368 billion project.

    The Smith-Houston defence review is expected to be released within days but is unlikely to deal with the scope of transformation needed.

    Under the AUKUS arrangement initiated by the conservative Scott Morrison government, but signed off by the Labor’s Anthony Albanese, Australia is to receive three Virginia-class nuclear-powered submarines within the next 10 years and then build up to eight of our own vessels.

    To help me understand the task, I consulted two senior US figures with deep (no pun intended) experience in nuclear submarines.

    Following meetings with US and Australian naval attaches in Canberra and Washington in recent weeks, former nuclear submarine commander Noel Gonzalez, a serious expert in key military rapid development technologies used in the US submarine fleet, and Mack Hellmann, an expert in undersea acoustics, marine engineering and undersea systems and an adviser to the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Northrop Grumman Undersea Systems, among other organisations, laid out their thoughts plainly and constructively.

    Both are now with the leadership team at Argus, a joint venture between an Australian company and a US holding company, that proposes to leverage its US nuclear submarine experience with technology-transfer experience to assist in the development of the much-needed industrial base that will enable Australia’s nuclear submarine program.

    Both men spoke frankly about the problems the US and the UK (our AUKUS partners) experienced with their nuclear submarine programs and warned that we risk making the same mistakes made in the 1950s unless we adopt a wholly new model.

    Although Australia has had a small operating nuclear reactor at Lucas Heights for 65 years, the operation, let alone building, of a nuclear fleet, needs a total rethink of our nuclear culture and we need to begin preparing now.

    The first step in the process would seem obvious, actively encouraging students to take STEM (science, technology, engineering and mathematics) courses and then making nuclear engineering in the navy an attractive career.

    The US doesn’t have any spare crew capacity to man Australian vessels. Set a culture of training Australians now, bearing in mind that nuclear subs carry 130-140 personnel, with up to 170 aboard if trainees are also deployed.

    For that matter, the US doesn’t have any spare submarine building capacity either, so we will be in line with the US navy for boats as they come off the line and out of refit, and the two US yards building submarines aren’t meeting their targets now.

    The latest estimate of the progress on the newest submarine, the Columbia-class, is that it has lost 2.2 million unrecoverable work hours.

    One yard, General Dynamics’ Electric Boat company at Groton, Connecticut, is short 7000 workers.

    To prevent being captive to the US or the UK (or, God forbid, the French), and to assist in meeting the needed capacity, Australia must begin building a SOTA (state of the art) nuclear certified manufacturing supply base now and avoid being tied to any global conglomerate.

    It should go without saying that any involvement by Thales, the French-government defence organisation already deeply engaged in Australia, must be banned as the French simply cannot be trusted whatever former Liberal PM Malcolm Turnbull may dream.

    The priority is to build a digital prototype nuclear submarine to begin bringing personnel up to speed. Then we must ensure we can supply uninterrupted power (which means forget variable wind, solar and short-lived batteries) to future nuclear sub ports, and we must be able to provide pure, uncontaminated water for the reactors.

    We must have the equipment to monitor radiation levels, and above all, the quality of parts manufactured here must be “submarine safe”, a level equivalent to that required for elements in the space shuttles.

    Remember, we face an uncertain world in which two totalitarian leaders, China’s Xi and Russia’s Putin, have shown they don’t care about the West’s rules of war

    We must meet our obligations to universal freedom and assist in providing some deterrent to these dictators.

    In the world of nuclear submarines, one name stands out globally – Admiral Hyman G. Rickover, the father of the US nuclear navy.

    Safety was this visionary’s byword and he ensured that, within the limits of the existing technology, his boats were safe and manageable for their crews.

    Who will be Australia’s Rickover and usher in our much-needed nuclear age?

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  83. Barking Toad Avatar
    Barking Toad

    Kevin Rudd = Mr Garrison

  84. calli Avatar
    calli

    Thanks Tom. My picks…

    – Tranbo

    – Garbage Truck

    – If you know…you know

    Happy days. 😀

  85. Miltonf Avatar
    Miltonf

    I saw Janet Rice up close once and it wasn’t pretty.

  86. Miltonf Avatar
    Miltonf

    OK so just like that nuclear subs are ++good. Not complaining, just odd. So the next step is to get nuclear electricity- how about resurrecting John Gorton’s Jervis Bay power station or maybe look into the new Rolls Royce technology.

  87. calli Avatar
    calli

    Black Ball says:
    April 23, 2023 at 7:46 am
    Via Tim Blair

    A member since 2007, Helen Lewers suddenly discovers the Greens weren’t about the environment after all.

    Slow learner.

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  88. Miltonf Avatar
    Miltonf

    Re Krudd- any there any decent people in the dept foreign affairies?

  89. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    Some good news you won’t see reported by the MSM.

    Despite Relentless Propaganda, Climate Change Skepticism Is Growing; New Polls Show (23 Apr)

    A survey conducted by a group within the University of Chicago asked Americans whether humans were causing all or most of climate change.

    Whereas 60 per cent held this belief five years ago, that figure has now slumped to 49 per cent.

    A recent IPSOS poll which covered two-thirds of the world’s population also found that nearly four people in every 10 believe climate change is mainly due to natural causes.

    “Perhaps the most surprising statistic from the Energy Policy Institute at the University of Chicago (EPIC) survey is that 70% of Americans are unwilling to spend more than $2.50 a week to combat climate change,” writes Chris Morrison.

    “Nearly four in 10 Americans said they were unwilling to pay a couple of dimes. Despite decades of relentless green doomsday agitprop designed to corral populations into living under a collectivist Net Zero-ordered society, it appears that the vast majority of Americans are unwilling to pay even the chump change in their back pockets to stop the climate changing.”

    Such skepticism is quite frankly astonishing given that the ‘official narrative’ on man-made climate change has been vehemently amplified by every single major government entity, corporation, media outlet and cultural institution in existence.

    The hip pocket issue is the dangerous one for governments. That most people refuse to pay even a hundred bucks a year to “fight” “climate change” shows that as soon as they notice they’re already spending thousands will make them very angry indeed.

    Add this to the EV poll I put up the other day which said 71% of Republican voters would never ever buy one. The climate stuff is being squeezed down to a rump of far-left nutters and the ordinary people have been wising up to the scam.

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