Open Thread – Tues 2 May 2023


The Good Shepherd, Bartolomé Esteban Murillo, 1660

1,797 responses to “Open Thread – Tues 2 May 2023”

  1. Dot Avatar

    It was known

    Sure it was.

    I have linked to that before.

  2. Farmer Gez Avatar
    Farmer Gez

    My my how AEMO has grown.
    June 20 – total current assets 427,134,000
    June 22 – 1,830,073,000

    Cash and cash equivalents
    June 20 – 62,738,000
    June 22 – 1,280,112,000

    All the other kids with the pumped up kicks.

  3. Dot Avatar

    What’s worse for the brewer is that the negative trend appears to be spilling into other AB InBev brands: Michelob Ultra dropped 8% for the week ending April 22, while Busch Light fell by 8% and Budweiser dropped by 13%, according to Beer Marketer’s Insights.

    Excellent. Now stop buying Rolling Rock, etc.

  4. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    There is nothing wrong with admitting there was injustice done.
    That these paternalistic arrangements with no opportunity for education and betterment could not have continued on indefinitely.

    I think it is more a matter of seeing how both sides of this culture contact may have viewed it, and also to recognise that what is seen as injustice now was not necessarily unfair in the minds of settlers, or even the aboriginal people, at the time. Everyone had to live under privations and harsh rules unless they were in a privileged elite.

    This is something keenly felt by white working class populations looking back on their pioneering ancestry and occupations (wandering shearing and droving) in many Australian country towns even today (certainly this was expressed to me when I was doing sociological investigations in the 1970’s in country regions, which I later wrote up in a book). Aboriginal people were undoubtedly abused at times, and racism was endemic, but there were also many attempts to improve their situation. The later treatment of the missions and missionaries, given the excellent work they had done, was abysmal, for they were blamed for schooling and child-rearing practices that were common to most people in their days.

  5. Pogria Avatar
    Pogria

    Kneelsays:
    May 3, 2023 at 1:04 pm
    “… I have to clamp the black on an unpainted bit of metal on the body of the car.”

    The idea here is that if there is a spark when you connect the last “end”, it will be well away from the battery and hence any out-gassed hydrogen, thus reducing the risk of fire and/or explosion.

    If you are connecting a charger, you can leave the thing turned off, connect it direct to the battery (no chance of any sparks), then turn the charger on – no sparks, no fires, no explosions, everyone safe and happy. Oh, and turn the charger off before disconnecting it, of course.

    Kneel, that’s what I have always done before. For over thirty years. I have been wondering if the new instructions were along the same lines as safety warnings on things such as fly spray etc. You know, do not eat or spray on face. 🙁 Because we are all so dumb.

  6. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    Conservative crossbench parties look set to benefit from Mark Latham and One Nation becoming increasingly marginalised in the New South Wales upper house due to his comments about homosexuality, political experts say.

    I laughed long and loud at that statement. What conservative parties? If they were they would be the government.

  7. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    Conservative crossbench parties look set to benefit from Mark Latham and One Nation becoming increasingly marginalised in the New South Wales upper house due to his comments about homosexuality, political experts say.

    Some more about this. Any conservative parties, cross bench or otherwise, that work with Labor and the greens will not get voted in again.

  8. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Lizzie, you may not be aware that c.57% of the Australian mainland is under native title (both exclusive and non-exclusive title) or held by indigenous people freehold. Coastal and land waters are next.

    Of course I know this, Roger. I keep a keen eye on Quadrant and am familiar with Windschuttle’s lead on these matters and on the falsification of aboriginal history and the damaging desire for ‘sovereignty’. I have always thought the (Melanesian) Mabo decision should never have been extended to the (aboriginal) Australian mainland.

    I think that we have definitely done more than enough to satisfy any aboriginal heritage claims.
    The voice will be a total disaster for Australia if it is ever passed by Referendum. It must not pass.

  9. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Voice, treaty, ‘truth-telling’ Australian Museum style, reparations, sovereignty and further territorial claims and separations over sea and land and airspace. No thank you.

  10. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    It would have been better by the 1960’s to have funded the missions and stations to assist aboriginal people to integrate in situ there, rather than develop a new outstation movement which saw families leave stations for township fringes or outstations, both becoming sinks of despair where the families’ own young men could no longer provide for them as they were seen to do on the stations. Missions too were taken over by inept self-governing, and welfare dependency become the accepted mode of survival in all aboriginal dwelling places.

    In the present day, I’ve said here and still say that provision of a form of supervised transitional housing near established towns is needed now to accommodate the growing drift to the urbanised life. That drift is a good thing, it is the future, if it is alcohol-free and accompanied by education and employment, which is the way to integrated assimilation. Trying to sustain unsustainable outstation communities riven by tribal vendettas is no way forward. It never was.

  11. Kneel Avatar
    Kneel

    “Kneel, that’s what I have always done before. For over thirty years. I have been wondering if the new instructions were along the same lines as safety warnings on things such as fly spray etc. You know, do not eat or spray on face. “

    I suspect so – much like the “Caution: opening door” (because, you know, a door that doesn’t open is really a wall, innit?)
    Or “how to wash your hands with soap and water” signs that now appear in many places.
    The one that gets me is “Deliberately concentrating and inhaling vapours can be harmful or fatal” – in other words, “Dis one gets you off, bro!”

    You can’t make things idiot proof – people just become more idiotic.
    Therefore, don’t even try – think of it as evolution in action. Or maybe a form of aversion therapy.
    Both work – and for good reason.

  12. C.L. Avatar
    C.L.

    areff’s quote makes me admire Tucker more than I did before.

    Great bloke.

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  13. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    that what is seen as injustice now was not necessarily unfair in the minds of settlers, or even the aboriginal people, at the time

    I’m pretty sure the aboriginal families who were forced off the stations, with whatever clothes they had, or not, on their back, to walk many miles to stand around in the nearest town might have thought being kicked off their ancestral lands for wanting more than a bit of pocket money, a set of clothes every year or so (for the workers only) and meagre rations very unjust.
    Nor do I assume all station owners were de facto benevolent institutions for whom the welfare of their local aboriginal communities was paramount.
    We are talking about 1968 here, not something that happened in the 19th century.
    here

  14. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I have been thinking of ‘bumper sticker’ sorts of appeals re this Referendum.

    IT IS BEST TO VOTE NO

    LAST TIME YES, THIS TIME NO

    VOTE NO FOR REAL CHANGE

    VOTE NO FOR HELP WHERE ITS NEEDED

    VOTE NO FOR REAL HELP

    VOTE NO FOR NO MORE RACISM

    VOTE NO FOR DEMOCRACY

    and so on, for the message has to get out against very great funding odds.

  15. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    pogria at 1309

    As Anhueser-Busch faces the possibility of Bud Light (the country’s number one beer brand) and Michelob Ultra (number three) falling out of the top five, gay and trans blackmail organizations demand they double-down and put more of their money and futures at risk to Affirm and Validate the Aggressively Mentally Ill.

    this is where they are caught in a cleft stick of their own making

    on the one hand is the growing consumer boycott

    on the other hand is a noisy band of cocktail drinking activists

    should be a no-brainer hey

    but heres the rub
    for individual execs the simple commercial decision to look after the customers could be career-ending

  16. Vicki Avatar
    Vicki

    Trying to sustain unsustainable outstation communities riven by tribal vendettas is no way forward. It never was.

    Absolutely Lizzie. The do-gooders in the 1980s had little real understanding of Aboriginal life and cultural dictates.

    Many young blokes grew up on cattle stations, learned skills during station life and were able to eventually make a life in the towns where they eventually established families. There were many inequities on many stations, but the descent into the unbridled violence that you see today in remote communities was not tolerated.

  17. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity Avatar
    Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says: May 3, 2023 at 12:55 pm

    A outfit or two, flour, sugar, tea and a bit of meat may not have been the generous recompense some imagine,

    In Western Australia, at least, the station managers provided rations for the whole extended families. The station my mob were managing, employed twelve Aboriginal stockmen and provided such basics for eighty four of the extended families.

    + they got time off for walkabout, for corroboree & for secret tribal business.
    & so long as the required number of men turned up for work, it didn’t matter who came on any particular day.

    The NT issued a “Licence to employ Aboriginal Labour” – without which one could not supervise Aboriginals, i.e. every station manager, every headstockman, etc had to obtain & retain that licence.
    Lose that licence for an upheld allegation of “mistreatment of a native” & you became instantly unemployable in the NT.

  18. DrBeauGan Avatar
    DrBeauGan

    We are talking about 1968 here, not something that happened in the 19th century.
    here

    We are talking supply and demand here. If the station owners weren’t prepared to pay the government mandated rates, and the aborigines were willing (even unenthusiastically) to work for the old rates, then it’s pretty clear that it was government mandates that caused the trouble. The fact that the government was well intentioned doesn’t justify its meddling. Economic incompetence carries a cost, one borne by the aborigines in this case.

  19. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    that what is seen as injustice now was not necessarily unfair in the minds of settlers, or even the aboriginal people, at the time

    Be settler.
    Have basic tools, bit of stock and some rations to last a year.
    No welfare, no savings.. zip.

    Aboriginal tribe comes along and spears your livestock and conducts a “cultural burn”

    Your solution is obvious

    The complete ignorance of the life of “white” people around the same time is jarring.
    https://pyrmonthistory.net.au/slums#:~:text=Sydney's%20slum%20districts%2C%20commencing%20in,%2C%20Alexandria%2C%20Waterloo%20and%20Botany.

    But hey, lets focus on the wealthy large landowners and pretend that was the norm.

  20. Vicki Avatar
    Vicki

    Lizzie, you may not be aware that c.57% of the Australian mainland is under native title (both exclusive and non-exclusive title) or held by indigenous people freehold. Coastal and land waters are next.

    Roger, I think it may have been in one of Windshuttle’s Quadrant articles that it was surmised that sovereignty of native title may well be attempted over the whole of Arnhem Land. I don’t think that this is outside the realms of possibility.

    If that happened, I could imagine that China may well present the titleholders with a proposition that could not refuse in return for a port or landholding of strategic value.

  21. Vicki Avatar
    Vicki

    Zulu and Salvatore know their history when it comes to the actual circumstances of station life and the circumstances of Aboriginal stockmen and their extended families.

    It is a pity that so few do.

  22. Winston Smith Avatar

    Rosie:

    People are pretending that the Voice is the end of a line, no it’s just a way point on a continuum.

    The Voice isn’t the end of negotiations – it’s the starting point of the next round of demands.

    T shirts ordered today.

  23. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    Gez at 8.16:

    Great post about a clearly great (yet unrecognised) bloke.

    It reminded me of the last paragraph of the obituary I wrote for my old man in 2021, for his funeral in his (and my) small country town, and which I was prevented from getting to:

    History will not record ***** as a ‘great’ man in the manner of a Caesar or Churchill, or a Charlemagne – but a great man he was, nonetheless. A complete list of his achievements is too long for inclusion in this tribute. Perhaps it is sufficient to note that this country and this town are vastly better places, and his family better people, for ***** having been here.

    ‘Salt of the Earth’ doesn’t even begin to describe these people.

    NB: Andrews, I have not forgotten nor forgiven.

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  24. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    Have a look at my link.
    There were at least two enquiries in the 1960s, and others in the early 20th century as well.
    Nevertheless whatever happened right or wrong, there should have been direct compensation for pensions misappropriated or wages not paid.
    The Voice shouldn’t be an additional redress for past wrongs.
    (It’s interesting that the government was also concerned that the land in the Kimberleys was being leased for peppercorns and lease holders were not taking much care of the properties.)
    I’m with Tony Abbott on the subject of the Voice.

  25. Black Ball Avatar
    Black Ball

    Gawd almighty have a look at this arsehole. Hun:

    Daniel Andrews has taken a major swipe at the Reserve Bank after it delivered its 11th interest rate rise in 12 months.

    The Premier said the RBA’s strategy to combat rising inflation was failing and instead was leading to greater pressures on Victorian families.

    “I don’t know that pulling this lever is necessarily delivering the outcome that the bank wants, and that’s to get inflation under control,” he said.

    “I’m not sure that these interest rate rises are smashing inflation. I am absolutely certain that these interest rate rises are smashing families.

    “I’m certain they’re creating lots of other problems. Many, many families are under enormous pressure at the moment.

    “They borrowed in good faith with the expectation, and from no less of an authority than the Reserve Bank, that interest rates wouldn’t be going up. They’ve now gone up 11 times in 12 months.

    “This is causing an enormous amount of pain. The problem with this policy level, the problem with these tools is you don’t know that you’ve gone too far until you’ve gone too far.”

    Treasurer Jim Chalmers conceded the RBA’s shock move was a “brutal reminder” of the inflation challenge.

    “I think that the rate rise is really a pretty stark, pretty brutal reminder of the difficult economic conditions,” he said.

    “And I think people are broadly aware that we‘ve got an inflation challenge in our economy, people feel it every day.”

    Mr Andrews said during a 2020 national cabinet meeting, state governments were told they would need to borrow money to avoid a 25 per cent unemployment rate.

    He indicated that his government would not have borrowed as much money as it did at the time.

    “The government of Victoria made decisions, but the advice that informed those decisions were very simple – you’ve got to borrow to get through,” he said.

    “So of course we went and borrowed.”

    Mr Andrews made the comments while attempting to deflect from Victoria’s upcoming horror budget which will be delivered on May 23.

    “This is a very, very challenging budget,” he said, making reference to the need to pay back pandemic borrowings worth tens of billions of dollars.

    It comes as leading finance expert Mark Bouris smashed the hike, arguing it was “completely unnecessary”.

    “Wow, another 25 basis points – are they serious? … Do they want to break the backbone of Australian mortgage holders?” he said on social media.

    “They’re saying inflation is still too high at 7 per cent … they’re saying that unemployment is still too low at 3.5 per cent … for me they should have just paused and waited to see what happens with the interest rate increases they’ve already jammed us with.

    “This is going to cause something to break, from my point of view, and I think they’ve just gone way too far.”

    Greens Senator Nick McKim said the government needed to step in to overrule the “terrible decision”.

    “The RBA’s decision to raise interest rates again beggars belief and will smash renters and mortgage holders even harder than they were being smashed already,” he said.

    “If Dr Chalmers refuses to act it will be a tacit endorsement of the RBA’s decision and will mean that he supports the rate rises.”

    FBAA managing director Peter White said Australians were “sleepwalking into disaster”.

    “Governments and lenders knew this was coming because the global indicators were there, but somewhere along the line there was a failure to prepare Australians who had become complacent after more than a decade without seeing any rate rises,” he said.

    “We are sadly now seeing the results … it will take a combined approach by the government, lenders and the community at large to help people through this.”

    Well, 3 arseholes. Andrews, Chalmers and McKim.
    When you shut down the entire state over little more than a cough, what would you expect would happen? FMD

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  26. Pogria Avatar
    Pogria

    but heres the rub
    for individual execs the simple commercial decision to look after the customers could be career-ending

    Sancho, if they kill the company, there is definitely no career.
    Here’s a bit more of what’s happening to AB; it’s known as the Halo Effect.

    During the controversy, sales have shot up for Bud Light’s biggest competitors, Miller Lite and Coors Light, Williams said. What is more, he is beginning to see what is known as a negative halo effect — other Anheuser-Busch brands are suffering because of the dispute.
    “I also think that what’s happening now is that anybody that is a Bud Light drinker and switches to Michelob Ultra because they don’t want to be seen holding a Bud Light, someone down the bar is going to say, ‘Hey, buddy, that’s an Anheuser-Busch product you’re holding,’” Williams said.

    The slowdown in sales of Michelob Ultra is of particular concern to Anheuser-Busch because it had been one of the fastest-growing brands on the market, said David Steinman, vice president and executive editor at Beer Marketer’s Insights.

    According to Williams, the plunge in sales is hitting beer distributors especially hard, costing them millions of dollars every day. To stop the slide, Anheuser-Busch needs to cooperate with them and come up with a way to entice their former consumers back into the fold, he said.

  27. Black Ball Avatar
    Black Ball

    That was part A. Part B:

    Daniel Andrews has declared “ordinary hardworking punters” don’t care about the speed that the government acts on implementing findings from a damning corruption investigation.

    The Premier this week revealed his cabinet was yet to take any action on implementing any of the recommendations from IBAC’s Operation Daintree investigation, confirming the matter wasn’t raised during Monday’s cabinet meeting.

    The investigation probed how improper influence compromised a $1.2 million contract awarded to the Health Education Federation, a division of the Health Workers Union, by Andrews government advisers.

    Asked on Wednesday why the government hadn’t prioritised acting on the 17 recommendations, Mr Andrews said: “If you think that ordinary hardworking punters out there think that’s the number one priority, I don’t think it is.”

    “There are many other things we need to get on with,” he added.

    “I’m not here today to confirm that all 17 of them will be implemented.

    “Cabinet will look at those matters … We’ll find a slot for that piece of work and we will do it and we will report progress when we are ready to do that.”

    Asked if that meant integrity was not a priority for his government, Mr Andrews fired back: “I didn’t say that. You’d be wrong to interpret what I just said that way.”

    The state opposition on Tuesday introduced a Bill to the parliament’s upper house which would request that the government immediately acts on the recommendations from the Operation Daintree report.

    Opposition leader John Pesutto said there was “no justification” for the government to delay the recommendations.

    Mr Andrews said he would not be taking integrity advice from the Liberal Party.

    “Not now, not ever,” he said.

    A fair dollop of khuntery involved here. And yet he is Premier. Victoriastan indeed.

  28. Bourne1879 Avatar
    Bourne1879

    Tom,
    Tuckers $20m from Fox is probably his take home. Fox would also be paying for his team and production costs which would add a few millions.

    The Daily Wire contract offer to Crowder was $12. 5m year but Crowder had to pay his team and production costs.

    I don’t think Tucker can get $500m per year but could get significantly more than $20m. I think he could get enough that he could do it without worrying about whatever Fox owes on paying out his contract which I understand is about $30m.

    How much would he get for a couple of books, particularly a tell all type.

    PBD used the term “held hostage” by Fox.

    PBD has a 1 hour segment on his offer to Tucker and it includes some of the more contentious clips such as Epstein was murdered, JFK assassination and Building 7 collapse.

    The more Fox leak stuff about Tucker the more I support him and think less of the FOX/ News minions who are joining the pile on.

  29. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    My brother in law’s family who had property interests in the north say the same thing about stockmen and their families being better off under the old ways.
    Clearly the outcome of the changes have let to even poorer outcomes for many aboriginals, but it didn’t have to be that way, did it? The change could have been managed far better.
    You can also read the 1905 Western Australia Royal Commission ‘The Condition of the Natives’ to get some insight into what was happening.

  30. Wally Dalí Avatar
    Wally Dalí

    Pogs-
    is it a battery charger or jump starter?
    If jump-starting, the object is to arc the charge through the starter motor, hence most new vehicles will have a lug on the far side of the engine block to make the route.

  31. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Lizzie

    On ne passe pas, They shall not pass.

  32. Pogria Avatar
    Pogria

    Hi Wally,
    battery charger. I also tried to charge my trusty old valiant but no-go. I even connected it in the usual way. I thought if something goes wrong, it won’t harm the old girl too much, unlike the Subaru with all the electrical gadgetry. It looks as though the brand-new-in a-box charger I bought a couple of weeks ago isn’t working.
    I called a local and he dropped a couple of chargers for me to use. Fingers crossed. As soon as one of my cars is running, I will take the useless charger back to Bunnings.

  33. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    A-B is, as one industry magazine puts it, in “serious trouble.”

    You betcha. Now qwerties are arranging a boycott of Bud Lite for not being sufficiently woke:

    Bud Light is now getting Cancelled and Boycotted by members of the LGBT and Trans community.

    A prominent LGBT magazine, Advocate, is accusing the beer brand of “validating trans hate.”

    In an article in the magazine, LGBT PR Exec John Casey accused the brand of being “inauthentic” for failing to defend Dylan Mulvaney in the midst of the backlash.

    Simultaneously boycotted for being woke and boycotted for not being woke enough. All of this could’ve been avoided if they hadn’t had a marketing lady with tofu for brains.

    Best worked example ever for beer companies to stay right away from politics and just make beer.

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  34. Wally Dalí Avatar
    Wally Dalí

    You’d think if the Lizard People really wanted us to get excited about dumping cars for electric, they’d do something about the plunge in quality which has undermined the battery industry. Anything over 90 amp hours is getting a year and a half’s service at the most for me, at the moment, and that’s with every ute and tractor religiously under cover every night too.
    And the price hike- had to buy for wifey’s Hyundai the other day- $250.

  35. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    The Voice shouldn’t be an additional redress for past wrongs.

    But thats 100%, rolled gold exactly what it is designed to facilitate.

    Its seen as a precondition for a bunch of treaties.
    Its seen as a precondition to a pile of GDP based % of munni.
    Its seen as a step towards independent governance.
    Its seen as a step towards claiming all land, mineral, sea or even airwaves (spectrum) above and beyond what private landholders can.

    The left have gone from “Communism in one country’ to “Aristocracy by race” in the blink of an eye.

  36. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    Sneakers trying hard to out-mong Andrews for waste.
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-03/covid-rat-purchases-by-wa-government-slammed-by-auditor-general/102296896

    She said what started as a $3 million spend on tests for health workers and returning travellers quickly spiralled beyond $440 million, “around twice the cost of the Bunbury Hospital redevelopment”.
    Public entities spent the equivalent of 10 per cent of the state’s 2022 operating surplus on diagnostic plastics without demonstrable evidence of clear, considered and coordinated planning or ongoing advice as to the necessity of the expenditure,” Ms Spencer said.

  37. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    Now qwerties are arranging a boycott of Bud Lite for not being sufficiently woke:

    That’ll throw a spanner in ya shandy.

  38. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    My local library giving away free RATs. Except you can’t even give them away.

  39. DrBeauGan Avatar
    DrBeauGan

    Bud Light is now getting Cancelled and Boycotted by members of the LGBT and Trans community.

    A prominent LGBT magazine, Advocate, is accusing the beer brand of “validating trans hate.”

    Oh joy, oh bliss!

    I’ve seen no trans hate, but a certain amount of objection to letting trannies propagandise children, and infringe on women’s rights.

    The trannies prolly don’t drink beer anyway.

  40. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    Rosie, I well remember the debates around aboriginal full wage payments, as I was at university and deeply studying the aboriginal situation in Australia at that time. Vincent Lingari’s Gurinji’s strike for wage equality was strongly supported by me and others, although I think we had little awareness of how complex the familial situation was. I gradually became aware of it as I researched further and realised that our contemporary ideals were not necessarily helpful. Yes, we fought for and approved changes, and the 1967 Referendum was all about ensuring that the old pastoral system and other racial ‘protections’ were changed. Sadly, they were all changed in the wrong ways, with not enough oversight of pension payments, which allowed station managers to ‘rort’ them, although in their view they were most unfairly blamed for a condition costly to the stations that aboriginal people had self-selected to live in on the stations. tribal aboriginal people continued to self-select this mode when given European housing in outstations; they destroyed it. Cultural change must be led; this wasn’t.

    My heart sank when I clicked your link and it came up with The National Museum of Australia for I knew what to expect, a social justice view on a very complex issue. Yep. That was it.

  41. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    She said what started as a $3 million spend on tests for health workers and returning travellers quickly spiralled beyond $440 million, “around twice the cost of the Bunbury Hospital redevelopment”.

    And I think he’s been trying to get away with it as I’ve noticed over the last month or two, every morning and every evening there are peeps at every train station in metro Perth handing them out for free (hardly anyone takes them lol!!!)

  42. Top Ender Avatar
    Top Ender

    The Voice will fix it!

    No, apparently large amounts more dosh needed:

    Marcia Langton warns of ‘intifada’ in western desert

    Indigenous leader Marcia Langton, has warned that there could be an “intifada” in the western desert area of Australia if conditions for Aboriginal people in the region did not improve.

    Speaking at a conference in Sydney by the Australian Council of Superannuation Investors (ACSI), she said problems in Aboriginal areas such as the western deserts and in Alice Springs were as a result of poverty.

    Professor Langton, who is one of the architects of the proposed Voice referendum, said the problems in Aboriginal communities in Alice Springs because children were at risk “because of poverty and exclusion from the economy.”

    Comments are not supportive

  43. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    I can feel another Australia Council grant application coming on. A Big Sneakers composed entirely of RATs. That’s my afternoon sorted.

  44. Dot Avatar

    Indigenous leader Marcia Langton, has warned that there could be an “intifada” in the western desert area of Australia if conditions for Aboriginal people in the region did not improve.

    Maybe when they walk into town to shake things up, they’ll realise modernity is easier.

    I don’t know. Why would urban dwelling be tough with subsidised rent and ample welfare?

  45. Big_Nambas Avatar
    Big_Nambas

    Mal Turdbull, Banker (or with a W), financier, economist, business man and according to him , a smart guy. Said project Snowy 2.0 would cost less than 2 billion and be ready in 2023. Reality is 8 billion and still not finalized, and possibly ready in 2029, now I see why he was no good as PM.
    Another question for me is how much free energy do you get for 8 billion?

  46. rosie Avatar
    rosie

    Incidentally my Irish Great Great Uncle worked in Queensland iirc in the 1880/1890s before moving on to work in South Africa, returning to live with his niece, my grandmother in his old age.
    He said ‘the blacks (in QLD) were treated very badly’ to quote my mother if stories my dad/granddad etc are going to be taken as objective truths.

  47. Winston Smith Avatar

    Pogria:

    “And people have by now figured out that Anheuser-Busch also owns the third-best-selling beer in the country, Michelob Ultra:

    The consumers in the US are fed up with being powerless against the corporations and others who have been telling them ‘take it or leave it’ for years now.

    As Anhueser-Busch faces the possibility of Bud Light (the country’s number one beer brand) and Michelob Ultra (number three) falling out of the top five, gay and trans blackmail organizations demand they double-down and put more of their money and futures at risk to Affirm and Validate the Aggressively Mentally Ill.

    I think the whole Anhueser-Busch is now getting the head kicking that people want to give the LGBTQ+ movement, which has been giving them without allowing them any capacity for retaliation.
    The bleed over to the Michelob brand was something I didn’t think would happen.
    “The Consumer is King” motto didn’t arise by chance, and now the consumer mob is stirring. The disgruntled peasantry should never be disregarded.
    Good luck to them.

  48. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    Langton is a vile old racist shit.

    Consumed by bitterness and envy despite being in the top %% of privileged people globally (by income)
    Gorging itself on the hated white mans money, while flying business class in the white mans aeroplane, as she scoots to the white man university to lecture and pontificate on how much she hates white people.

    A vile old mediocrity.

    Marcia is one of the richest Anthropologist & listed on most popular Anthropologist. According to our analysis, Wikipedia, Forbes & Business Insider, Marcia Langton’s net worth $5 Million.

  49. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    Marcia Langton warns of ‘intifada’ in western desert

    Hahahah, unlike those people who call themselves “palestinian,” the Indigens can have all the western desert they like. They can have a big Western Desert Cake and march it up Parliament House drive and it won’t make a lick of difference. Ok.

  50. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Pogriasays:

    May 3, 2023 at 2:17 pm

    “but heres the rub
    for individual execs the simple commercial decision to look after the customers could be career-ending”

    Sancho, if they kill the company, there is definitely no career.

    i dispute that

    running the qwerty line is stunning and brave even if it blows up a company

    the blame lays with the redneck boycott

    they stroll from the wreckage with an enhanced woke reputation and off to a bigger and better gig

    otoh if they publicly drop the qwerty cause their career is in the toilet

    shoulden be so but it is

  51. Dot Avatar

    Budweiser
    Bud Light
    Michelob
    Stella Artois
    Busch
    Kona Brewing
    Stella Jalisco
    Landshark
    Presidente
    Hoegaarden
    Shock Top
    Babe
    Cutwater
    Hiball
    Ritas
    Nutrl

  52. Black Ball Avatar
    Black Ball

    (she ain’t no perfesser) Langton, who is one of the architects of the proposed Voice referendum, said the problems in Aboriginal communities in Alice Springs because children were at risk “because of poverty and exclusion from the economy.”

    How on God’s green earth would she know from inside her cosseted university bubble? How many more billions Langton you dried up harridan must be spent?

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  53. 132andBush Avatar
    132andBush

    It isn’t. They are people on the margins that trust neither conventional R or D candidates.

    And when faced with a binary choice would prefer to see the country sink?

  54. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    “running the qwerty line is stunning and brave even if it blows up a company

    the blame lays with the redneck boycott

    they stroll from the wreckage with an enhanced woke reputation and off to a bigger and better gig

    otoh if they publicly drop the qwerty cause their career is in the toilet

    shoulden be so but it is”

    Sancho is right, accountability doesn’t matter to the woke left, there are almost zero consequences for their stuff ups and disasters.

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  55. Dot Avatar

    Choosing Michelle Obama or Joe Biden over Meatball de Santis because you can’t get Trump is nuts.

  56. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    Bupa is a local ad here in Oz that has lots of disabled people bouncing through the screen with various injuries. It only occurred to me last night, when paying more attention, the final person bouncing through is a drag queen. Why do you need one of those in a medical insurance ad?

    Oh, right.

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  57. Kneel Avatar
    Kneel

    ” …it won’t make a lick of difference. Ok.”

    Sounds familiar…
    Oh, I know…

    “You know what I’m gonna do? I gonna buy me a 1962 Cadillac convertable – hot pink! With whale skin hubcaps and big brown baby seal eyes for headlights! Yeah! ” – Dennis Leary, “I’m an Asshole”.
    Not that it matters much to me, but you really should cite things when you use them.
    🙂

  58. Winston Smith Avatar

    Dot:
    (On the WokeBrewers Crash)
    Excellent. Now stop buying Rolling Rock, etc.

    “Softly, softly, catchee monkey.”

    Give them a chance to sack the entire marketing board and grovel at the consumers feet.
    If they don’t, then we extend our boycott.

  59. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    War is never a solution; it is an aggravation.

    – Benjamin Disraeli

  60. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    Snowy 2.0 is displaying a characteristic lack of Potential Greatness. It’s no Ozemail.

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  61. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    Not that it matters much to me, but you really should cite things when you use them.

    Kneel, Quod scripsi, scripsi

  62. Winston Smith Avatar

    Kneel/Pogria:

    I suspect so – much like the “Caution: opening door” (because, you know, a door that doesn’t open is really a wall, innit?)
    Or “how to wash your hands with soap and water” signs that now appear in many places.
    The one that gets me is “Deliberately concentrating and inhaling vapours can be harmful or fatal” – in other words, “Dis one gets you off, bro!”

    The last Clinic I ran had a sign on the wall with cartoons showing people how to – I kid you not – shit.
    One of the first things that I did was tear it down.
    This is the kind of paternalistic rubbish that QHealth runs with because it thinks everyone is stupid.

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  63. Vicki Avatar
    Vicki

    Sadly, they were all changed in the wrong ways, with not enough oversight of pension payments, which allowed station managers to ‘rort’ them, although in their view they were most unfairly blamed for a condition costly to the stations that aboriginal people had self-selected to live in on the stations. tribal aboriginal people continued to self-select this mode when given European housing in outstations; they destroyed it.

    Absolutely Lizzie. As someone else noted in an earlier post – most city folk don’t realise that the stations supported not just the Aboriginal stockmen, but the extended families as well. This continued well into the 1980s before the “return to country” (aka inappropriate buildings in remote communities) movement pushed by Nuggett Coombes & co.

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  64. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    So my Woodies are OK right?

  65. bespoke Avatar
    bespoke

    So my Woodies are OK right?

    Phrasing!

  66. Winston Smith Avatar

    Lizzie:
    I have been thinking of ‘bumper sticker’ sorts of appeals re this Referendum.
    Get behind this woman – Joanne Hackett (?sp)

  67. dover0beach Avatar

    And when faced with a binary choice would prefer to see the country sink?

    They are obviously making the judgement that the country is already sinking either way.

  68. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    We are going to have peace even if we have to fight for it.

    – Dwight D. Eisenhower

  69. dover0beach Avatar

    Choosing Michelle Obama or Joe Biden over Meatball de Santis because you can’t get Trump is nuts.

    They are not choosing either. They are saying the only candidate that will motivate me to vote is Trump.
    Set that aside, if you are part of the RNC, if you ignore that voter you are nuts because it’s a reality that has to be accounted for when turnout is key.

  70. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    So my Woodies are OK right?

    Got wood?

  71. Dot Avatar

    That’s true and I have nothing against punishing parties, but Biden is senile and has the launch codes, on top of being very damaging.

  72. lotocoti Avatar
    lotocoti

    A high risk, high reward maneuver.
    Maybe.
    Keeping Frontal Aviation at arms length and getting the heavy brigade
    over the marshes and on to firm ground would be the trick.
    Then it really could be tank terror time.
    Not coincidentally, the Popovs have been squirting off a lot of decoy ALCMs recently.

  73. Kneel Avatar
    Kneel

    “…Biden is senile and has the launch codes…”

    Would he remember which line he has to read from the card?

  74. Dot Avatar

    Would you vote for Meatball, Dover?

    I would, but I’d prefer Trump or Paul.

  75. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Black Ballsays:
    May 3, 2023 at 3:39 pm
    (she ain’t no perfesser) Langton, who is one of the architects of the proposed Voice referendum, said the problems in Aboriginal communities in Alice Springs because children were at risk “because of poverty and exclusion from the economy.”

    How on God’s green earth would she know from inside her cosseted university bubble? How many more billions Langton you dried up harridan must be spent?

    Enough to sate all of the urban indigenous “activists” for several lifetimes, then a few hundred thousand (in total, not each) for those on the fringes, as a token gesture from their urban “leaders”?

  76. Black Ball Avatar
    Black Ball

    Oh dear, the great man (in his own mind) weighs in. Telegraph:

    Kevin Rudd has warned the US and its allies have just five years to develop a military and economic deterrent that is powerful enough to convince China not to go to war over Taiwan.

    In his first expansive comments on China since becoming Australia’s US ambassador, Dr Rudd said he believed President Xi Jinping was “not interested in a war right now” and that China was “actually not ready” to reclaim Taiwan by force.

    The former prime minister instead pointed to 2027 as a crucial turning point, a timeline laid out by US intelligence chiefs and the Taiwanese government based on Mr Xi ordering China’s military to be ready to act by then.

    Dr Rudd shared his analysis at a high-powered conference in Los Angeles, after Foreign Affairs Penny Wong last month decried speculation about Taiwan’s fate as “the most dangerous of parlour games”.

    “There is much frenzied discussion in political and media circles over timelines and scenarios when it comes to Taiwan. Anyone in positions like mine who feels an urge to add to that discussion should resist the temptation,” she told the National Press Club.

    Unlike the Australian government, US leaders have been far more willing to discuss when China could invade Taiwan, with former Obama administration official Michèle Flournoy saying on Wednesday that China had been “telegraphing their intentions” about 2027.

    Dr Rudd, appearing alongside Ms Flournoy at a Milken Institute event, said he agreed with her assessment.

    “We have this five years where there still is a risk of crisis, conflict and war by accident, so let’s work to build up as many guardrails as possible to reduce that possibility, while at the same time recognising that the challenge of deterrence lies again – as Michelle pointed out before – in the post-27 period,” he said.

    “There are five good years to be used and deployed now to get that integrated deterrence equation right. But unless we are equally clear in our analysis about what actually finally causes Xi Jinping and the Central Military Commission and the People’s Bank of China to say, the risk of doing this is too great, then we will have failed the exercise.”

    Dr Rudd shared similar views before he was tapped as the ambassador in December, including in a November speech in which he said the next five years would “determine the success or otherwise of US efforts to deter China from taking medium-to-long-term military action against Taiwan”.

    As one of the world’s top China scholars, Dr Rudd has said the key reason Senator Wong and Prime Minister Anthony Albanese sent him to Washington DC was to deal with the challenge of managing China’s increasingly aggressive rise.

  77. Winston Smith Avatar

    Vicki:

    If that happened, I could imagine that China may well present the titleholders with a proposition that could not refuse in return for a port or landholding of strategic value.

    That’s an aspect I’ve spoken of before, to no avail.
    China only recognises treaties and political facts that benefit it, hence you see her claiming territory on spurious legal grounds, to which she replies “What are you going to do about it?” Her claims to islands long considered other nations properties are examples of this.

  78. Black Ball Avatar
    Black Ball

    So it’s Dr Rudd and Mr Xi, not President Xi.

  79. shatterzzz Avatar
    shatterzzz

    Wierd! .. 4 x times I’ve tried to get a perfectly normal comment thru but each time it’s just goooone to wherever lost comments gooooooooo ..!

  80. Winston Smith Avatar

    Black Ball:

    Well, 3 arseholes. Andrews, Chalmers and McKim.
    When you shut down the entire state over little more than a cough, what would you expect would happen? FMD

    Typical Socialist excuses – “Someone else’s fault”. “Look what you made me do”.
    They never change.

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  81. Alamak! Avatar
    Alamak!

    Marcia Langton warns of ‘intifada’ in western desert

    would anyone notice if it took place or not?

  82. Top Ender Avatar
    Top Ender

    Either:

    a) Krudd is saying this because he’s been told to, or
    b) he’s off the reservation already.

    Probably the latter.

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  83. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    shatterzzzsays:

    May 3, 2023 at 4:21 pm

    Wierd! .. 4 x times I’ve tried to get a perfectly normal comment thru but each time it’s just goooone to wherever lost comments gooooooooo ..!

    ……………………………………………………………………………………………………………. lol!

  84. flyingduk Avatar
    flyingduk

    War is never a solution; it is an aggravation.

    – Benjamin Disraeli

    Because negotiations worked so well with Hitler and Mussolini!

  85. Winston Smith Avatar

    Pogria:

    According to Williams, the plunge in sales is hitting beer distributors especially hard, costing them millions of dollars every day. To stop the slide, Anheuser-Busch needs to cooperate with them and come up with a way to entice their former consumers back into the fold, he said.

    Easy. Sack the entire marketing team and the board that passed the decision.
    But they won’t do that, so every day the company gets sicker.
    It won’t be long before the AB Board decides to amputate to save itself.

  86. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Top Endersays:

    May 3, 2023 at 4:24 pm

    Either:

    a) Krudd is saying this because he’s been told to, or
    b) he’s off the reservation already.

    just looked at the odds on sportsbet

    a) $250.00
    b) $1.01

    mong

  87. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    Apparently there’s some fighter jet flying at 200 feet above ground making sonic booms around southern Perth burbs… I got nothing on flight radar… but multiple reports…

  88. thefrollickingmole Avatar
    thefrollickingmole

    This is an interesting little take on the French being revolting (more than normal) I hadnt considered.

    The public sees these reforms as a form of class warfare. This is because raising the retirement age from 62 to 64 only really affects those who started working earlier in life – that is, the working class. Under the old pensions system, most graduates – in order to clock up enough years contributing into the system after university – already had to wait until 65 to retire on a full pension. The burden of Macron’s reforms falls mainly on the least well-off.

    In a purely class war way this makes perfect sense.
    I started working at 15, many graduates wont start till they are nudging 25.
    Yet I will be “allowed” to retire sometime after the sun turns into a small chunk of charcoal the size of a ford fiesta.

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  89. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    Ozemail was the most Sydney deal apart from getting a call from Richo before Offset Alpine went up.

  90. Top Ender Avatar
    Top Ender

    As one of the world’s top China scholars, Dr Rudd has said the key reason Senator Wong and Prime Minister Anthony Albanese sent him to Washington DC was to deal with the challenge of managing China’s increasingly aggressive rise.

    Sounds like Krudd wrote the press release.

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  91. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    around southern Perth burbs…

    Who cares?

  92. lotocoti Avatar
    lotocoti

    If kevni thinks so, then it’s bad news for Taiwan.
    The RoC will probably sink next Tuesday.

  93. Fair Shake Avatar
    Fair Shake

    Marcia Langton warns of
    ‘intifada’ in western desert

    I have asked the Oz how this is not extremist violent hate speech?
    ….and…rejected.

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  94. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    As one of the world’s top China scholars, Dr Rudd

    Seen here hard at work:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9DYvwhUIlGA

  95. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    Ah well, the low flyover was for the funeral of the last WA flight squadron officer in WWII.

  96. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    Went for a walk at lunchtime, it’s a beautiful day here in Sydney, albeit windy. Walking back to my office, I spied a film crew interviewing a peewee of a man. I looked as I was walking and it was the grubby little cockroach, Adam Bumdt. He really is a little little man. I said loudly, “vomit”, and a man walking next to me said, “agreed”. I said to the man that I find it staggering that people, mainly in affluent areas, vote for the filthy little cockroach. He again said “agreed”.

    Always nice to know that we’re not alone in our thinking.

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  97. bespoke Avatar
    bespoke

    Interesting choice “intifada”.

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