Open Thread – Tues 23 May 2023


Harbour of Trieste, Egon Schiele, 1907

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Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 25, 2023 9:41 am

One thing I didn’t mention yesterday about being in the garden is that the two Camelia’s I planted nearly ten years ago are thriving. They have tripled in size, they have glossy leaves and a very promising set of buds ready to burst forth when their time is due. They are grand old bushes-to-be, with the rock face as a backdrop, next to the fifty-year-old Monsteria Deliciosa. They will last longer than I will now.

A humbling thought.

Cassie of Sydney
May 25, 2023 9:42 am

“Craig Kelly being right about Covid treatments

Pauline Hanson was on Sky last night (Kenny) and said how she was right all along about Covid lockdowns and treatments, and yet she was censored and pilloried, as was Craig Kelly. Pauline also said to Kenny that she knew he and Sky were scared of having her on because they were fearful of upsetting the powers that be.

Hanson was right from the beginning, as was Craig Kelly, a man who should still be in parliament. He was treated disgracefully by his own PM and party, who chose to side with the left against one of their own.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 25, 2023 9:42 am

Dot at 9:23.
Please essplain?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 25, 2023 9:43 am

Camelias, plural not possessive. Gotta get it right as a memorium.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 25, 2023 9:43 am

Odd, my first attempt disappeared into the ether, then reappeared after the second try.

Eyrie
Eyrie
May 25, 2023 9:43 am

De Santis, the Swamp Rethuglican candidate.

johanna
johanna
May 25, 2023 9:44 am

132andBush says:
May 25, 2023 at 8:52 am

Hope Chalmers hasn’t banked too heavily on the surplus.

Ag sector is going to have a big wind down as well.
El Niño and a general softening of prices.

Not to mention the banning of the live sheep trade.

Labor governments have never seen an independently profitable business they don’t want to destroy.

Roger
Roger
May 25, 2023 9:44 am

Anthropolgically, comparing herders with hunter gatherers is a bit like apples and oranges.

Dot
Dot
May 25, 2023 9:44 am

Shame Sancho, Shame!

Cassie of Sydney
May 25, 2023 9:45 am

Twiggy is a master of grift. I don’t believe he really, truly believes in the climate con. I suspect he knows it’s all bullshit but he goes along with it because he likes having money thrown at him. And who wouldn’t?

Roger
Roger
May 25, 2023 9:45 am

Lost an “o” somewhere.

Cassie of Sydney
May 25, 2023 9:46 am

“Sancho Panzersays:
May 25, 2023 at 9:17 am”

Yep.

Dot
Dot
May 25, 2023 9:47 am

I reckon Forrest though if he moved first, he might get a technology he could sell and the upfront costs now will be less than being forced to change later on.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 25, 2023 9:47 am

Boambee Johnsays:

May 25, 2023 at 9:37 am

Sancho Panzersays:
May 25, 2023 at 9:17 am
Someone here yesterday intimating that Rolf Harris had been hard done by.
Yeah, nah.
Get back to me after a middle-aged bloke has rooted your 14 year old daughter.

But enough about Richard Neville, now deceased “star” of Their ABC, and sponsor of pettyfiles.

Multi-skilling.
I can detest Rolf Harris and Richard Neville in equal measure.

Morsie
Morsie
May 25, 2023 9:53 am

My Melbourne transport app tells me there may be delays this weekend in the CBD due to “protest work”.
FMD it’s now a job?

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 25, 2023 9:53 am

Pauline Hanson was on Sky last night (Kenny) and said how she was right all along about Covid lockdowns and treatments, and yet she was censored and pilloried, as was Craig Kelly.

They should at least make the point that, unless the governments can guarantee that there will never be another pandemic, given the momentous social, economic, personal, and emotional upheaval from Coof that they should now look back and see what things worked and which things did not.

I know most of it was nonsense (restricting contact to the elderly and frail made sense, but not for robust young people), and the government will never admit to getting things wrong, but forcing them to admit they would do it all over again now that the paranoia has abated and we are picking up the pieces.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 25, 2023 9:56 am

Sancho

And I can also detest Their ABC in even greater measure. Their hypocrisy on that specific subject is galactic in scale.

Dot
Dot
May 25, 2023 9:56 am

My Melbourne transport app tells me there may be delays this weekend in the CBD due to “protest work”.
FMD it’s now a job?

VIKPOL glowies.

Do they get paid OT after 12 hours?

Morsie
Morsie
May 25, 2023 9:56 am

Regarding the Masai we had a talk at Rotary from a couple who do water projects in Kenya.They deal with one Masai guy who has 147 wives.He was his dads 70 th son.

johanna
johanna
May 25, 2023 9:56 am

Zulu villages in South Africa, where the locals live in mud huts, the men still herd their cattle, and the women do their washing in the nearest river, There is none of the squalor and hopelessness you see in local “remote communities” and the children are bright eyed, cheerful and proud of being who they are.

As I wrote here at the time, I’ve visited Masai villages about which the same could definitely be said. The children also all go to school, proudly turned out in neat full British school uniforms that are washed in a stream and hung on bushes to dry and unlike the parents and themselves when at home, wearing shoes.

It’s the culture. Only the culture.

Indeed. I remember when I first visited Mexico in the late 1970s, and it was a very poor country. Yet, the locals were cheerful, their children were clean and well fed, and substance abuse was not a major problem. Of course, things have changed somewhat with the drug cartels, but I suspect that for most ordinary Mexicans the value system remains.

Similarly, in Murray Laurence’s excellent book High Times in the Middle of Nowhere, which is about living in and travelling through India in the 1970s, he writes about how very poor white collar workers somehow managed to wear brilliant white shirts and spotless clothes every day, even though they lived in the equivalent of those Japanese sleeping pods.

Culture, culture, every time.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 25, 2023 9:56 am

May 2022 :- “You get a $275 reduction! And you get a $275 reduction! Everybody gets a $275 reduction in their power bill!”
May 2023 :- “30% increase? Meh! Without us it woulda been fitty pussent!”
Not a word about broken promises out of their ABC.

Roger
Roger
May 25, 2023 9:58 am

… but forcing them to admit they would do it all over again now that the paranoia has abated and we are picking up the pieces.

Would or wouldn’t?

In any case, the enabling legislation is still there federally and at state level and no Liberal/NP opposition in the land has foreshadowed any plans to amend or repeal it afaik.

Vicki
Vicki
May 25, 2023 9:58 am

Hanson was right from the beginning, as was Craig Kelly, a man who should still be in parliament. He was treated disgracefully by his own PM and party, who chose to side with the left against one of their own.

I have to say – & Cats like Indolent & others will agree – it hasn’t been easy taking a stand on Covid & the mRNA vaccines etc in the last few years. It has taken its toll. But it’s like a lot of issues discussed on this blog – you can only stand for what your head (and your heart) tells you.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 25, 2023 9:58 am

Vicki, I’d have to check our dates for our Kenya and Tanzania trip, 2017 I think, but it was relatively recent. The village was made entirely out of mud huts and even the chief’s hut, which we went inside had only a fire to cook over and very narrow one-plank benches to sit on. Sleeping was on the floor.
This group had cattle and money but deliberately lived traditionally while recognising their children needed modern education. The young men did one of their extraordinary high-jumping dances for us, with the highest jumpers attracting the most female attention as future husbands. The children were kept aware of their origins and culture, although many would go on have professional careers after university. Some would return to carry on the traditions. A very ordered society where the value of everything is known. I was assessed at being worth fifteen cows in a bridal exchange, a very good price, but Hairy thought I deserved more. 🙂

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 25, 2023 9:59 am

Boambee Johnsays:

May 25, 2023 at 9:56 am

Sancho

And I can also detest Their ABC in even greater measure. Their hypocrisy on that specific subject is galactic in scale.

True.
The focus on ABC hypocrisy is warranted.
My issue was someone giving Rolf the same free pass as the ABC gave to Neville.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 25, 2023 10:02 am

You would have to have been a Treasury climate modeller to have thought you would get a $275 reduction voting for Albo.

Megan
Megan
May 25, 2023 10:03 am

How much have domestic electricity prices increased in Australia since 2007 (and please note the final year and quarter you can measure or report upon, thanks!).

N=1 but I can tell you that this time last year our electricity bill showed we were spending $5.10 per day. Same bill period this week has us at $20.40 per day.

150% increase thanks to the morons in charge promising us all a $250 decrease in power charges. Yeah, right.

We’ve only used gas for cooking and hot water in the last two months – bill for 2 months? $1000. For two people.

They are utterly committed to destroy us and send us back to candles and wood stoves.

Megan
Megan
May 25, 2023 10:05 am

Bah! $375 reduction not $250. But what’s $25 between politicians promises and reality anyway?

Vicki
Vicki
May 25, 2023 10:06 am

Vicki, I’d have to check our dates for our Kenya and Tanzania trip, 2017 I think, but it was relatively recent. The village was made entirely out of mud huts and even the chief’s hut, which we went inside had only a fire to cook over and very narrow one-plank benches to sit on. Sleeping was on the floor.

Gosh, Lizzie – nothing has changed after all those years! I have the most beautiful photographs -which I refer to as “me and the Masai”! But it was the same – dirt floor huts, smelling of cow dung. They wanted us to try the mixture of milk & cow blood – but it was a “no thanks” from me. They were hospitable and very, very dignified.

Robert Sewell
May 25, 2023 10:08 am

Lizzie:

if better housing was available in centres of employment,

The housing they already have is better then a lot of Australians.
They just see housing as a gift they don’t have to earn or take care of.
More handouts is not the answer – it just reinforces the idea that they are owed stuff because of the colour of their skin.

Figures
Figures
May 25, 2023 10:11 am

I have to say – & Cats like Indolent & others will agree – it hasn’t been easy taking a stand on Covid & the mRNA vaccines etc in the last few years. It has taken its toll.

You should all say a prayer and word of thanks for the likes of Meryl Dorey and Greg Beattie in Australia and Andrew Wakefield and Del Bigtree overseas.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 25, 2023 10:12 am

Would or wouldn’t?

Would. Because they would refuse to rule anything out next time because it would mean admitting they did something wrong last time.

And both sides are equally culpable.

johanna
johanna
May 25, 2023 10:12 am

If true, this is gobsmackingly good:

The latest research combines the spinal implant with new technology called a brain-computer interface, which is implanted above the part of the brain that controls leg movement.

The interface uses algorithms based on artificial intelligence methods to decode brain recordings in real time, the researchers said.

This allows the interface, which was designed by researchers at France’s Atomic Energy Commission (CEA), to work out how the patient wants to move their legs at any moment.

The data is transmitted to the spinal cord implant via a portable device that fits in a walker or small backpack, allowing patients to get around without help from others.

The two implants build what the researchers call a “digital bridge” to cross the disconnect between the spinal cord and brain that was created during Gert-Jan’s accident.

“Now I can just do what I want — when I decide to make a step the stimulation will kick in as soon as I think about it,” Gert-Jan said.

One of the things I found interesting is that it builds on the brain’s capacity to learn and also to compensate for bits that are not working.

I really hope that this is a goer – would be life-changing for people who are paralysed.

Bear Necessities
Bear Necessities
May 25, 2023 10:14 am

De Santis, the Swamp Rethuglican candidate.

Trump is just as big a ‘Swamp Creature’ as De Santis. Who employed John Bolton and appointed John Wray as head of the FBI?

In the end they all get the mud of the swamp on their clothes.

By the way if Florida is so bad has Trump left yet?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 25, 2023 10:14 am

Absolutely amazing that men ‘fighting with shovels’ advancing in ‘human waves’ would have a better loss ratio.

Believe that and I have a dacha to sell you Dover. The Wagner guys have improved their tactics but inexperience cost them a lot when they got that sector. Even Prigozhin admits they lost 20,000.

Wagner boss shamefully admits he has lost 20,000 fighters in bloody battle for Bakhmut (24 May)

During the interview with pro-Kremlin blogger Konstantin Dolgov, Prigozhin said: “For the [special military operation] I pulled out 50,000 inmates from jails. Twenty percent of them died.”

This figure stood in stark contrast to the widely disputed claims from Moscow that just over 6,000 of its troops were killed in the war as of January.

If true, the 20,000 death toll, suffered in just 10 months, exceeds the official Soviet losses sustained during a decade of war in Afghanistan from 1979 to 1989.

I suspect it’s even higher than that. For a start it doesn’t count the regular battalions on the flanks, and who were trying unsuccessfully to close the supply route. Believing Russian bloggers is just as silly as believing Ukie ones.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 25, 2023 10:15 am

Anthropolgically, comparing herders with hunter gatherers is a bit like apples and oranges.

True enough, Roger, but my point and that re the Masai was that no matter what the culture is, if it is not well integrated in itself and into the wider society then chaos will result. I don’t admire Masai culture, it is autocratic, misogynistic, gerontocratic and polygamous to boot, as well as being unimodal in production – everything revolves around cattle. However, they are moving into the modern world their way and their kids are not neglected or abused and have a future in modernity if they want to take it.

Hunter-gatherer cultures are harder, especially if they come ready-wrought with tribal antagonisms from endless skirmishes and vendettas. The old mission system which made a deliberate break and the cattle station system, which allowed the families along for the ride, both provided a form of assimilation. Assimilation was the best policy, but we are down the track on integration now, which is harder due to h/g’s lack of settlement (shut up Bruce Pascoe). Small group wandering over definite but contested ranges was the pattern of land usage. Settlement in viable towns and hefty education away from hunter-gatherer ways is the only sensible way out of the current morass. Get some housing in the towns and create some employment there; close down the remote ‘communities’ of squalor and drink and drug fuelled vendettas. That has to be the answer. Assimilation can begin once more.

Vicki
Vicki
May 25, 2023 10:15 am

From Phil Altman’s substack:

Through a Freedom of Information request, South Australian Liberal Senator Alex Antic has exposed the government’s attempts to censor Covid-19 related content and stifle public debate.

The document’s shocking revelations prove that the Australian Department of Home Affairs made more than 4,000 requests to digital platforms to censor all Covid-19 content. The Government essentially controls the main stream media by its sheer weight of expenditure on advertising – the main stream news media follows the Government narratives (or else). This is why there is, to a large extent, an undeclared ban on reporting vaccine deaths and injuries.

When a government clearly censors free speech and free thought on an issue as important as COVID, how can you trust them to tell the truth on any other major issue? Think global warming and The Voice.

Top Ender
Top Ender
May 25, 2023 10:18 am

Meanwhile this morning in the world’s most liveable city:

Climate protestors have shut down a major intersection in Melbourne’s CBD in the first of three days of planned disruption.

Around 100 Extinction Rebellion supporters marched down La Trobe St on Thursday morning, marching on Parliament Gardens, calling for the “strongest possible emergency action to avert the potential collapse of society”.

Marchers were met with a strong police presence.

An occupy event is planned near Princes Bridge tomorrow morning, with an evening bike gathering planned at the State Library. Another slow march on Parliament Gardens will take place on Saturday.

Yesterday, climate protestors caused traffic chaos in the city after a group blocked a major freeway exit ramp from the West Gate Freeway at about 8.30am. One person appeared to be locked onto a van blocking the road with a bike chain.?

Commuters are being warned to expect delays.

Vicki
Vicki
May 25, 2023 10:20 am

Small group wandering over definite but contested ranges was the pattern of land usage. Settlement in viable towns and hefty education away from hunter-gatherer ways is the only sensible way out of the current morass. Get some housing in the towns and create some employment there; close down the remote ‘communities’ of squalor and drink and drug fuelled vendettas.

Totally with you on that, Lizzie! But it means overturning the accepted wisdom of “return to country”. Nuggett Coombes and the ill informed do-gooders of the past (& assisted by the same mob today!) have a lot to answer for. But try getting that opinion published in today’s media!

Roger
Roger
May 25, 2023 10:23 am

Would. Because they would refuse to rule anything out next time because it would mean admitting they did something wrong last time.

Thanks. See my response.

Hunter-gatherer cultures are harder, especially if they come ready-wrought with tribal antagonisms from endless skirmishes and vendettas.

And that was my point, among several other factors. The European encounter is just a much bigger cultural leap to make for a hunter gatherer culture than it is a more or less settled herder culture. Europeans can come to arrangements with the latter on land use, which in southern Africa did in fact happen with both thte Brits & the Boers. Whereas in Australia, once the Europeans started fencing off land, that was the end of hunting and gathering. After that point assimilation was the kindest policy.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 25, 2023 10:23 am

johannasays:
May 25, 2023 at 9:56 am
Zulu villages in South Africa,… There is none of the squalor and hopelessness you see in local “remote communities” and the children are bright eyed, cheerful and proud of being who they are.

… Masai villages about which the same could definitely be said. The children also all go to school, proudly turned out in neat full British school uniforms that are washed in a stream and hung on bushes to dry and unlike the parents and themselves when at home, wearing shoes.

It’s the culture. Only the culture.

… Mexico in the late 1970s, and it was a very poor country. Yet, the locals were cheerful, their children were clean and well fed, and substance abuse was not a major problem. … for most ordinary Mexicans the value system remains.

Similarly, in Murray Laurence’s excellent book High Times in the Middle of Nowhere, which is about living in and travelling through India in the 1970s, he writes about how very poor white collar workers somehow managed to wear brilliant white shirts and spotless clothes every day, even though they lived in the equivalent of those Japanese sleeping pods.

Culture, culture, every time.

But, but, but what about the “beautiful culture” that some fractional indigene was promising to share with us? Shirley we should look to him for wisdom, not some bunches of furriners in Africa, Central America or Injia?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 25, 2023 10:24 am

Free cars for everyone in the audience!

Gavin Newsom considering Oprah Winfrey to replace Dianne Feinstein in Senate: report (24 May)

Media mogul Oprah Winfrey is being floated as a potential replacement for ailing Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) should the 89-year-old lawmaker step down before the end of her term, according to a report.

Feinstein, who returned to the Senate earlier this month, has already said she will not run for re-election in 2024, but the Associated Press reports that several names including Winfrey’s are being discussed as potential replacements in case Feinstein retires.

I doubt the Dem machine would like that. For a start she has a working brain, unlike Mr Fetterman. And she’s been a successful businesswoman on her own right for a long time. On the other hand if Obama was first male black Prez then Oprah could be a not too bad first female black Prez.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 25, 2023 10:30 am

Marchers were met with a strong police presence.

Who did what? I expect stayed within the terms of their agreement prearranged with the head swampy. Too bad if you just want to get to work. Take the morning off. Grab a coffee somewhere, assuming they got to work.

calli
calli
May 25, 2023 10:32 am

Wear your 00s with PRIDE, Mother Lode!

Almost as good as the QandA @rseless chaps, but not quite the cachet of the bejewelled codpiece!

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
May 25, 2023 10:33 am

Full article from the Oz below. Comments have been cancelled after a few went up. Good luck with a fair hearing regarding any Aboriginal matters being heard in NSW Supreme.

A prominent NSW Supreme Court judge has accused a ­Nationals MP of racism over his opposition to an indigenous voice to parliament, in an extraordinary intervention that has raised concerns about the separation of powers between the judiciary and the workings of parliament.

In a highly charged email sent to Nationals MP Pat Conaghan on Wednesday morning, Ian Harrison, a judge with the NSW Supreme Court, described the federal MP’s views as “disgusting”, paternalistic and racist.

The email was sent in response to a speech to parliament Mr Conaghan had made on Tuesday night in which the member for Cowper had accused those attacking a ‘no’ vote on the basis it denied historical atrocities of being “recklessly dismissive” and would only encourage Australians to vote on emotion rather than logic.

Mr Conaghan, a former solicitor and police officer, told The Australian last night he had contacted senior counsel in NSW after receiving the email. He said counsel had expressed concerns about the constitutional ramifications of the correspondence by a member of the judiciary.

“I was astounded when I received it,” Mr Conaghan said.

“Everyone is entitled to their point of view but I found it extraordinary and when I received it my mind immediately turned to the separation of powers under the same constitution.”

The email by Justice Harrison, sent in his capacity as a judge, was dated May 24 at 8.54am.

A spokesman for the Supreme Court said Justice Harrison had sent the email, however, the Chief Justice could not be contacted for comment on whether the correspondence was appropriate.

In his email to Mr Conaghan, Justice Harrison expressed ­“dismay” at the MP’s speech, ­describing it as the “the lowest ebb in my day”.

“I appreciate that you are a member of Mr (David) Littleproud’s party, one of the first publicly to support the NO vote,” Justice Harrison wrote. “I despaired when he announced that decision, replete as it was with the perpetuation of institutional abuse of Australia’s First Nations people. You (sic) speech last night only increased my despair.

“I am not one of your electors so my opinion on anything has no direct bearing upon you (sic) electoral status. However, I was moved while listening to you speak to write to you now to express my complete sadness, not that you have predictably taken the stand that you have, but that you obviously do not understand or appreciate the depths of paternalism and racism that oozed from your words.

“Your argument is predicated upon the position that the Voice will add nothing practical to the lives of indigenous Australians.

“We can argue about that forever, but I will not do so here. However, what is so subtly disgusting about your contention is that it promotes the counterfeit spectre of harm to the Australian community while ignoring the immense and patently harmless symbolic benefit that recognition of the Voice will give to a long-neglected section of our society.

“There are no sleeping constitutional issues here. It is a simple matter of human decency. Your position, and the position of your party, is niggardly and cruel and mean-spirited. It is patently based upon a political stance that is indecent in its ignorance. May you live long enough, and acquire sufficient wisdom and self-awareness, to be ashamed of yourself.”

The email was signed: “Regards, Ian Harrison”.

Justice Harrison accused Mr Conaghan of lacking ‘human decency’ over his views on the voice.
Justice Harrison accused Mr Conaghan of lacking ‘human decency’ over his views on the voice.
Mr Conaghan is a member of the joint select committee for the voice to parliament, which was tasked with examining the government’s proposed wording of the referendum for a voice to parliament and executive government. It concluded that the constitutional alternation bill be passed without amendment, locking in support for the Albanese government’s proposed referendum question.

There were two dissenting reports, one from the Nationals and one from the Liberal Party.

Mr Conaghan on Tuesday night was one of a number of Coalition MPs to speak against the referendum bill. In his speech, he praised Indigenous Affairs Minister Linda Burney for her ­“incredible initiatives” in indigenous-led health outcomes and other outcomes for indigenous Australians. His criticism of the bill was consistent with the Coalition position. “The beauty of our democracy is that we are able to respectfully differ in opinion when it comes to the methods in which our shared goals can be achieved” he said.

“Enhancements and changes to programs and initiatives can be swiftly made without a referendum on constitutional change that divides a nation along the lines of race. Enhancements and changes can be made without the delay that waiting for a referendum requires. Enhancements and changes can be made without the cost of a referendum.

“Positive steps can be taken without unintentionally encouraging Australians to have conversations that contain the words ‘us’ and ‘them’ in place of ‘one’ and ‘all’. “This bill conflates two entirely separate issues: firstly, recognising Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people in the Australian Constitution – a point upon which we all agree and that does not have unforeseen consequences; and secondly, support for a constitutionally enshrined Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander advisory body, a point that is a cause of concern for many.

“These two distinct and separate issues have not been made clear to the Australian public throughout this inquiry and appear to have been designed with that intent.”

calli
calli
May 25, 2023 10:35 am

My issue was someone giving Rolf the same free pass as the ABC gave to Neville.

There were others.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 25, 2023 10:39 am

Sad. And evil.

Roger Waters dresses up as SS officer, compares Anne Frank to Abu Akleh in Berlin (24 May)

Roger Waters dressed up as an SS officer and compared Anne Frank to Al-Jazeera journalist Shireen Abu Akleh during a concert at the Mercedes-Benz Arena in Berlin last week.

After an intermission, Waters walked on stage in a SS uniform as an inflatable pig with various words and symbols and glowing eyes floated over the crowd and banners in the style of the Third Reich but with crossed hammers instead of a swastika hanging from the ceiling. Waters proceeded to fire a fake machine gun toward the audience.

He won’t get the treatment that Dominic Perrottet got, for far less reason, because Waters is a lefty. I hate it when talented musicians go bad. Rolf Harris being the particular example today.

Gabor
Gabor
May 25, 2023 10:42 am

Lizzie

The group had cattle and money but deliberately lived traditionally while recognising their children needed modern education

Deliberately choosing a traditional lifestyle by consenting adults, nothing wrong with that.
People even tried communism that way, only proving that as a social system it doesn’t work.

But I ask you what is “traditional” in living in the aboriginal settlements?
It is not lack of land they couldn’t wander about, after all they own 60% of Aus. according to a poster here recently. Sure Sidney and Melbourne is out at the moment, but who knows how long?

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 25, 2023 10:42 am

Let’s see how you should deal with Extinction Rebellion protestors.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I_-wSckXbfc

Jorge
Jorge
May 25, 2023 10:44 am

Sancho Panzer says:
May 25, 2023 at 9:17 am
Someone here yesterday intimating that Rolf Harris had been hard done by.
Yeah, nah.
Get back to me after a middle-aged bloke has rooted your 14 year old daughter.

He didn’t stand a chance. ‘Indecent assault’ isn’t rape. Had he been a Pakistani Muslim gang member he would have walked. Harris’ real offence was being a white middle aged man and therefore guilty of whatever we say.

After undergoing a lengthy trial at Southwark Crown Court in 2014, Harris was convicted of 12 counts of indecent assault and sentenced to five years in prison.

Commenting on his sentence, Mr Justice Sweeney said to Harris: ‘You have shown no remorse for your crimes at all. Your reputation now lies in ruins, you have been stripped of your honours but you have no one to blame but yourself.’

Following his conviction, Harris served his sentence at HM Prison Stafford, which started in 2014.

Harris later released a statement in the book Rolf Harris: The Defence Team’s Special Investigator Reveals the Truth Behind the Trials by William Merritt.

‘I understand we live in the post truth era and know few will want to know what really happened during the three criminal trials I faced – it’s easier to condemn me and liken me to people like Savile and Glitter,’ Harris said.

‘I was convicted of offences I did not commit in my first trial. That is not just my view but the view of the Court of Appeal who overturned one of my convictions. I had already served the prison sentence by the time of the appeal.

‘I changed my legal team after the first trial, and I was told that if the truth was out there, William (Merritt) would find it and he did.

Gabor
Gabor
May 25, 2023 10:44 am

Sydney

FFS
Wonder what Sidney would think about being owned and walked over but?

C.L.
C.L.
May 25, 2023 10:46 am

The leftist noise machine is being uncharacteristically incurious about a shooting at Perth’s Atlantis Beach Baptist College.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 25, 2023 10:52 am

There are school shootings and then there are school shootings. You take what you want from them. Like any good smorgasbord.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
May 25, 2023 10:53 am

In past 24 hours have had 2 comments rejected by Courier Mail regarding Aboriginal articles.

One related to an article where the Brisbane Mayor mentioned the three Brisbane Aboriginal groups. I pointed out a cinema had a sign saying land of the Turrbal and I looked them up. Their web page claims own all Brisbane land but only 50 of them remaining. I asked if Premier could confirm would be entering into treaty with them and discussing reparations. Also mentioned the Jagger disputed ownership of parts of Brisbane.

Nothing controversial as based purely on facts. Yet rejected. It reminded me of all my Covid vaccine comments rejected. I think it is obvious we are now in similar territory as nothing must detract from the narrative.

This is how the so called free press mould and distort the debate.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
May 25, 2023 10:55 am

By the way if you are in Brisbane and see any signs about Aboriginal land ownership in offices and shops etc make a post about which tribe. Could be interesting.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 25, 2023 10:59 am

The housing they already have is better then a lot of Australians.

Burning down each other’s houses, in inter-clan feuds, does very little to help.

JMH
JMH
May 25, 2023 11:02 am

In a highly charged email sent to Nationals MP Pat Conaghan on Wednesday morning, Ian Harrison, a judge with the NSW Supreme Court, described the federal MP’s views as “disgusting”, paternalistic and racist.

When will we learn that this disgraceful member of the judiciary has been stood down?

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 25, 2023 11:04 am

It will be interesting to see where the NSW Supreme Court judge thing goes. That is really Pat O’Shane and Magistrates Court stuff.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 25, 2023 11:08 am

You should all say a prayer and word of thanks for the likes of Meryl Dorey and Greg Beattie in Australia and Andrew Wakefield and Del Bigtree overseas.

And don’t forget the cup of coffee.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 25, 2023 11:11 am

Their web page claims own all Brisbane land but only 50 of them remaining.

Color me cynical, but why do I think that number will increase, several times over, when the subject of reparations is raised?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 25, 2023 11:12 am

I’m putting this one here just because.

Ike and Tina Turner – Nutbush City Limits (1973)

Vale, Aunty Entity.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
May 25, 2023 11:15 am

callisays:

May 25, 2023 at 10:35 am

My issue was someone giving Rolf the same free pass as the ABC gave to Neville.

There were others.

And …

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 25, 2023 11:18 am

RFK Jr tweeting about making US elections bullet proof is not something I thought I’d see.

rickw
rickw
May 25, 2023 11:20 am

Tasered 95 woman, brown bread.

“We’re going to solve the nursing home crisis one way or another…..”

rickw
rickw
May 25, 2023 11:24 am

Commuters are being warned to expect delays.

Unless they sort this shit out themselves….

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 25, 2023 11:27 am

Re Queenslanders being shipped to sea-world.
Louis CK has a bit about fat people being sent to the zoo for an X-ray or MRI.

https://youtu.be/_bJ8Dak6UvI?t=151

rickw
rickw
May 25, 2023 11:31 am

The document’s shocking revelations prove that the Australian Department of Home Affairs made more than 4,000 requests to digital platforms to censor all Covid-19 content. The Government essentially controls the main stream media by its sheer weight of expenditure on advertising – the main stream news media follows the Government narratives (or else). This is why there is, to a large extent, an undeclared ban on reporting vaccine deaths and injuries.

1984 – Mong Edition

Vicki
Vicki
May 25, 2023 11:37 am

On the other hand if Obama was first male black Prez then Oprah could be a not too bad first female black Prez.

Michelle has her eyes on that prize.

rickw
rickw
May 25, 2023 11:39 am

Went to this last night, excellent:

https://astanaballet.com/en

132andBush
132andBush
May 25, 2023 11:49 am

Regarding the Masai we had a talk at Rotary from a couple who do water projects in Kenya.They deal with one Masai guy who has 147 wives.He was his dads 70 th son.

Now that’s what I call “having a crack”!

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 25, 2023 11:50 am

Realistically, how would swapping the Wookie for Biden actually change anything happening in the US today?

Vicki
Vicki
May 25, 2023 11:53 am

Re the Rolf Harris issue: I didn’t follow the cases closely, but was surprised at the relative lightness of the sentence – given the media hype. It seems that the convictions were for assault, but not actual rape.
While not diminishing the betrayal of trust, it would seems that the media engaged on a pretty significant “pile on”.

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 25, 2023 11:57 am

Rolf Harris was a predator.
He preyed upon under age children.
It was non-consensual.
He should have been pursued decades earlier.
He should have been sent to prison decades earlier.
The people who enabled him &/or said nothing should have been sharing a prison cell with him.

Razey
Razey
May 25, 2023 11:58 am

Michelle

Its a man baby, yeah!

Razey
Razey
May 25, 2023 12:03 pm

Why are butch Lesbos so fugly.

Robert Sewell
May 25, 2023 12:05 pm

Jorge:

She’s 54, hard used and haggard around the eyes. Likes the camera at a distance now. Fag haggery, championing the gays (no lezzos though) once so enlightened and daring, now worse than criminal. Songs all sound the same.

Ridden hard and put away wet, as we horsie owners like to say.

johanna
johanna
May 25, 2023 12:07 pm

what is so subtly disgusting about your contention is that it promotes the counterfeit spectre of harm to the Australian community while ignoring the immense and patently harmless symbolic benefit that recognition of the Voice will give to a long-neglected section of our society.

Here we go again.

The proponents on one hand claim that it is ‘purely symbolic’, but on the other hand claim that it will deliver real benefits to Aboriginal people.

Which is it?

My opinion, FWIIW, is that the referendum will deservdly fail.

Of course, that will be used as evidence that Australians are terminal racists.

Robert Sewell
May 25, 2023 12:07 pm

Barking Turd:

What if she just had a ball of wool in her hands from some knitting time? Would they phone plod because they thought she might strangle them?

Steel knitting needles can be bloody lethal in the hands of a 95 year old…

johanna
johanna
May 25, 2023 12:12 pm

dover – someome is messing with your upticks. I tried to uptick rickw’s comment at 11.31am and it went from 4 to 3.

Sad.

Roger
Roger
May 25, 2023 12:18 pm

I see the BBC has weighed in on the Stan Grant affair.

The Australian media – including the ABC – is racist, apparently.

They’ve even found a couple of ex-employees that claim this.

One woman, of Lebanese ethnicity, reports that whenever a story about something bad happening in the ME came up, her colleagues would joke, “What have your cousins been up to now?”

The horror.

Of course, the BBC is impeccable.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 25, 2023 12:21 pm

One foot in the grave.

Inquiry into missing woman Melissa Caddick finds Sydney fraudster is dead but how she died still remains a mysteryI (Sky News, 25 May)

A coroner has determined conwoman Melissa Caddick has died after she vanished more than two years ago when it was discovered she had tricked investors and friends into giving her millions of dollars.

Melissa Caddick, 49, vanished in November 2020 following raids by ASIC and the Australian Federal Police on her luxurious Dover Heights home in the city’s east. … A couple of months later, Caddick’s decomposing foot inside a running shoe washed up more than 450 kilometres from her home onto a New South Wales South Coast beach.

She had left behind her keys, wallet, and never returned home. The mysterious disappearance of the conwoman has left the nation puzzled.

That coroner is quick! Presumably no female fraudsters have been seen in the last year or two hopping around on one foot. I don’t know if anyone is doing a fillum project but the whole story is very interesting. Might be a bit dangerous though seeing how weird her final exit was.

Robert Sewell
May 25, 2023 12:21 pm

Rosie:

smart but not smart enough

About 10 years ago I bought a small safe from the US. It arrived in a box with a shipping label attached to it.
The box was in a second box also with a shipping label in it.
Both boxes had been opened at some stage in the shipping process.
The inner cardboard box had details such as weight etc. The safe weighed 10.? kilos.
The outer cardboard box had similar information – weight etc. But the weight was printed as 20.? kilos
I hadn’t noticed the disparity until about a year later, but decided to let customs know.
And that was the last I ever heard of it – nothing, nada, nil. Just not interested.

Eyrie
Eyrie
May 25, 2023 12:22 pm

“We’re going to solve the nursing home crisis one way or another…..”

They did pretty good with covid and the “vaccines”.

Eyrie
Eyrie
May 25, 2023 12:24 pm

a long-neglected section of our society.

Yeah, $30+ billion a year of “neglect”.

cohenite
May 25, 2023 12:25 pm

Just re-reading that Twiggy interview. Australia is fu.ked.

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 25, 2023 12:27 pm

Who would have thought Treasury selling wine with Snoop on the label wouldn’t have been a long term winner?
@sarc

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 25, 2023 12:30 pm

But I ask you what is “traditional” in living in the aboriginal settlements?
It is not lack of land they couldn’t wander about, after all they own 60% of Aus. according to a poster here recently. Sure Sidney and Melbourne is out at the moment, but who knows how long?

I don’t disagree with you, Gabor. The settlements are a nightmare, the worst of traditional life and a lot of modern drug abuse. I would, as I’ve said, bulldoze them and move the people into town housing. Best we can hope for is that the populations there slowly move themselves into town, as they are starting to do now.

As for land rights, I disagree with the Mabo judgement and would repeal it if I could.

I certainly don’t want any treaties or reparations to be paid, just a reasonable level of assistance towards assimilation.

I DO recognise that aboriginal people have had a difficult time under failed policies over the years in remote communities where they were herded and left to stew in cultural absurdities. Also that they joined into Australian life in many places as the lowest paid workers, often receiving considerable racial abuse. That said, many white workers were lower paid and received abuse for their ethnicity or religion, whenever it conflicted with that of the ruling powers. That’s the nature of the past, it didn’t have today’s approach to kindness and equality. It’s the past though and we can’t make amends to all for it. Doing so selectively for a few in our Constitution is wrong, because that is worded as a grab for power and huge financial and ownership changes at the expense of the mainstream workers of all backgrounds who have made this society and also of the powerless amongst aborigines. Vote NO, in spite of what well-meaning Judges say. They are the sort of witterers who have caused this problem.

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 25, 2023 12:32 pm

Australia should follow the success of the US & have indigenous casinos.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 25, 2023 12:37 pm

As for the ‘settler wars’, these are debatable in extent and in effects, were skirmishes not wars, were common to all settlements of new lands in the nineteenth century and were certainly not a result of any government policy. Similarly, the Stolen Generation was not what has been claimed and seems to have been an attempt to ensure the safety, welfare and education of children. The term itself with the unfair implication it carries has had the deleterious effect of making welfare workers leave aboriginal children in the present day in situations of grave danger and neglect.

Perhaps Judges sitting on high may wish to reconsider their opinions, just as they are asking current Parliamentarians and the Australian population to reconsider theirs if they disagree with him.

Roger
Roger
May 25, 2023 12:38 pm

…after all they own 60% of Aus. according to a poster here recently.

Erm…always pay attention to the details, Gabor.

They have legal rights over and interests in upwards of 57% (and growing, as native title claims succeed) of the continent under various forms of title. Those rights and interests aren’t always exclusive; sometimes they co-exist alongside other interests, such as pastoral leases.

About 15% is freehold.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 25, 2023 12:38 pm

…disagree with them. It is more than one Judge who opines from on high about the voice referendum.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
May 25, 2023 12:39 pm

There are also judges, and other legal luminaries, who are strongly against the YES position, and for very good legal reasons.

johanna
johanna
May 25, 2023 12:42 pm

Just happened again – a +1 turned into a zero,

Utterly puerile.

OTOH, here is a link to Tina Turner (then aged about 52) wowing the crowd and the musicians.

Sensational.

Simply the Best.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
May 25, 2023 12:47 pm

The uncharitable, like me, might say they already do.

Can beer convince Americans to drink recycled wastewater? (Phys.org, 24 May)

Revival Lager, stands apart from anything it’s made before—and from nearly every other beer on tap in the U.S. Fox City’s menu calls it a “light, crisp, eco-friendly lager made from highly repurposed and recycled water.” This is a delicate way of saying that it’s made from treated sewage.

Bud Lite or Revival Lager? Decisions, decisions. Drink up!

Vicki
Vicki
May 25, 2023 12:54 pm

Thanks Johanna for the link to the Tina clip. I got quite emotional viewing it. She simply was “the Best”!

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Wow, that sure escalated fast:

Tasering Gran: 2020 – 2022 = Gran is told she’s a threat to society, is endangering our “freedom” & the cop gets a Commissioner’s Commendation.
Tasering Gran: 2023 = Criminal charges laid, against the cop.

Boambee John
Boambee John
May 25, 2023 12:58 pm

Robert Sewellsays:
May 25, 2023 at 12:07 pm
Barking Turd:

What if she just had a ball of wool in her hands from some knitting time? Would they phone plod because they thought she might strangle them?

Steel knitting needles can be bloody lethal in the hands of a 95 year old…

As could plastic ones!

Delta A
Delta A
May 25, 2023 1:05 pm

here is a link to Tina Turner

Wow!

Thanks, Joh.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
May 25, 2023 1:08 pm

They have legal rights over and interests in upwards of 57% (and growing, as native title claims succeed) of the continent under various forms of title.

And what about their responsibilities?

johanna
johanna
May 25, 2023 1:11 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:
May 25, 2023 at 12:39 pm

There are also judges, and other legal luminaries, who are strongly against the YES position, and for very good legal reasons.

And you know this because of your recent dinner parties? Attended by ‘legal luminaries’?

As usual, Lizzie is boasting and evidence is sparse, to say the least. Put up or shut up.

duncanm
duncanm
May 25, 2023 1:13 pm

Rogersays:
May 25, 2023 at 12:18 pm
I see the BBC has weighed in on the Stan Grant affair.

The Australian media – including the ABC – is racist, apparently.

can’t be long before we here from that perennially persecuted (but strangely successful) ex-oil-rig worker, Yassmin whats-her-face. Is she still in the UK?

duncanm
duncanm
May 25, 2023 1:13 pm

The cop made one mistake.

He should have used pepper spray and a baton, with the excuse that she wasn’t masked.

P
P
May 25, 2023 1:18 pm
Gabor
Gabor
May 25, 2023 1:20 pm

Roger says:
May 25, 2023 at 12:38 pm

…after all they own 60% of Aus. according to a poster here recently.

Erm…always pay attention to the details, Gabor.

They have legal rights over and interests in upwards of 57% (and growing, as native title claims succeed) of the continent under various forms of title. Those rights and interests aren’t always exclusive; sometimes they co-exist alongside other interests, such as pastoral leases.

OK, I’m baker not a lawyer, what does “legal rights over and interests in upwards of 57% ” mean in reality?
Can they dictate/permit certain use of said land, or restrict access?
Or what?

Christine
Christine
May 25, 2023 1:21 pm

I’ll still enjoy Rolf Harris songs.
Once a girl knew, instinctively, how to deal with what used to be called “a dirty old man”; and didn’t need to have this type sent to prison. Probably most women could recall such a man, or two, who would be charged and gaoled today.
No man should kid himself that it was traumatic for all – there were many girls who giggled and tittered about such men, and what they regularly got up to, especially if they were in the entertainment industry.
As adult women, some might be cutting out their stories from today’s “newspapers”.
Jorge 10.44am
I agree

Kneel
Kneel
May 25, 2023 1:21 pm

“If the right want to change the zeitgeist, if they [want] to claw back power and if they want to try and change things, then they need to… “

… stop being “moderate” and go on the attack!
Don’t just slow the left down, undo stuff.
Don’t just undo stuff, put the opposite in place.
And don’t stop to allow them to complain about stuff – get it all lined up and do it one after the other, until the left are reeling about the third thing and have forgotten the first thing! Bang, bang, BANG! Then keep going. Don’t stop.
In fact, go too far – the left will eventually get back in and undo it anyway, so who cares? And while they are busy undoing the excesses, they won’t have time to undo the good, moderate changes for the better.
If you can’t or won’t do it, then get the hell out of the way and let others who can and will do it take the spot.

MatrixTransform
May 25, 2023 1:24 pm

One foot in the grave

reminds me of The Shark Arm Case

Lysander
Lysander
May 25, 2023 1:28 pm

I saw evidence today where SnapChat’s AI interface was asked by a 13 year old girl about dating a man 18 years older. AI’s response was “it’s great that you’ve met someone.”

Next entry is “we’re going out of State and he’s taking me to a romantic dinner, we are talking about having sex”

AI’s response “that’s great, you should always choose your first time carefully but if you want to help the mood you should light some candles and have nice music on”

Vicki
Vicki
May 25, 2023 1:32 pm

Once a girl knew, instinctively, how to deal with what used to be called “a dirty old man”; and didn’t need to have this type sent to prison. Probably most women could recall such a man, or two, who would be charged and gaoled today.

One New Years Eve my then boyfriend (& now husband) and I went with friends to celebrate at Kings Cross in Sydney. I was dressed in the (then) obligatory mini skirt – a leopard skin number, as I recall. As the NY chimes rang over the big crowd, I felt a hand creep up under my skirt. Instinctively, I turned and kicked the dickens out of a dirty old man who was having a grope. I was so mad I also kicked one of my friends by mistake – something he reminds me of to this day!

The old man disappeared into the crowd. But as well as having my dignity restored, I learned that you do NOT wear a mini skirt in a crowded venue. I tried telling my 17 year old granddaughter this lesson recently, only to me howled down that a woman has a right to wear what she likes.

Maybe. But common sense trumps principle on such occasions. But modern women won’t have a bar of that argument.

Rabz
May 25, 2023 1:36 pm

Vale, Tina. Two of her best:

Nutbush City Limits
River Deep Mountain High

Just ignore the unperson involved.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 25, 2023 1:43 pm

rittany Higgins ‘naked and asleep’ on sofa not enough to charge Bruce Lehrmann with rape, Sofronoff inquiry told
By STEPHEN RICE
NSW Editor
@riceyontheroad
and KRISTIN SHORTEN
Investigative Journalist
Updated 1:16PM May 25, 2023, First published at 9:28AM May 25, 2023

A police officer investigating Brittany Higgins’ rape allegations has told the Sofronoff inquiry that investigators had not established all three legal requirements necessary to charge Bruce Lehrmann with sexual assault.

In evidence to the Board of Inquiry into the ACT’s criminal justice system on Thursday, Senior Constable Emma Frizzell rejected a suggestion by Mark Tedeschi KC, who is representing the Director of Public Prosecutions Shane Drumgold, that the first requirement was satisfied, namely, that there was “corroboration” that sexual intercourse took place.

Snr Const Frizzell agreed, however, that Ms Higgins was found naked and asleep in Senator Linda Reynolds’ office in Parliament House and that this was “some evidentiary support” of the fact that sexual intercourse took place.
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Mark Tedeschi KC, who is representing the Director of Public Prosecutions Shane Drumgold, asked Sen Constable Frizzell: “Ms Higgins was seen in the complete nude in the minister’s office, asleep and then a Parliament House officer comes into the office at about 2.30 in the morning and sees her in the complete nude asleep.

“Ms Higgins wakes up very briefly and then basically rolls over and goes back to sleep. Do you agree that that is some evidentiary support of the fact that sexual intercourse took place?

Sen Constable Frizzell: “Yes.”

Sen Constable Frizzell also agreed that evidence that Ms Higgins was heavily intoxicated when she arrived at Parliament House supported a second element needed to charge Mr Lehrmann, being a lack of capacity to consent.

However, Constable Frizzell said she did not believe that Mr Lehrmann’s different explanations of why he had gone to Parliament House gave rise to the third element necessary, namely a reasonable suspicion that he knew she had not consented to sexual intercourse.

Mr Tedeschi said Mr Lehrmann had provided four different reasons for why he had gone to Parliament House with Ms Higgins on the morning of March 23, 2019.

“Do you agree that that’s some supportive evidence of either a knowledge of lack of consent or knowledge of recklessness?” he asked the witness.

Cassie of Sydney
May 25, 2023 1:47 pm

“There are also judges, and other legal luminaries, who are strongly against the YES position, and for very good legal reasons.”

Lizzie is correct. There are a few legal luminaries who’ve bravely stood up and spoken against the Voice, both here in NSW and in Victoria, and they are particularly aggrieved at how the various state law societies have decided to support the Yes vote irrespective of whether their members agree or disagree.

Two well known NSW barristers, Clive Steirn and Louise Clegg (who’s married to Angus Taylor and is a prominent barrister), have spoken against the NSW Bar Association’s vocal support for the Voice. Lana Collaris, a Victorian lawyer, is on the record as saying that the Victorian Bar Council would “exceed its powers” if it made a public statement on the Indigenous voice to parliament. Ms Collaris appeared on Sky last week to speak about it. Former HC judge, Ian Callinan, is quite vocal in his opposition to a Voice.

However, those speaking up are still a minority, because too many are cowered by da Voice zeitgeist.

Rabz
May 25, 2023 1:49 pm

I’ll still enjoy Rolf Harris songs*.

There was a supremely superficial examination of celebrity sleazebags on Chris Kenny’s show last night, just before I turned it off. Various characters such as Bill Cosbee** and Jimmy Savile were mentioned, as was the “hiding in plain sight” phenomenon.

It is simply inexplicable how Savile got away with it for as long as he did, even though some of his alleged victims were cadavers. I’ll never forget the footage (this is one for Vicki above) of Savile among a group of large group of school aged girls where is clearly groping the bottoms of most of the girls he’s surrounded by (the horrified looks on their faces was the giveaway, as was Savile’s monstrous leering).

The bloody BBC.

Johnny Rotten was one of the few to publicly denounce Savile, before it was ensured that the former didn’t do so again.

* The first LP I ever had was by Rolf Harris, gifted to me when I was about six
**Incorrectly referred to as Bill Crosbie

Vicki
Vicki
May 25, 2023 1:52 pm

However, those speaking up are still a minority, because too many are cowered by da Voice zeitgeist.

Not dissimilar to the refusal of medicos to speak up against the novel and insufficiently tested mRNA vaccines.

While I can understand the reluctance to swim against the tide and especially to risk loss of jobs and income, but it nevertheless has diminished, indeed extinguished, my former belief in the bravery and independence of Aussies.

calli
calli
May 25, 2023 1:53 pm

How times change.

Although the shopping bags did look menacing.

Black Ball
Black Ball
May 25, 2023 2:02 pm

Apologise if posted but threat neutralised. Daily Telegraph:

A man shot dead by police was heard running through a lower north shore neighbourhood yelling “I’ll kill her, I’ll kill her,” while armed with two knives.

Neighbours on the usually-quiet and leafy streets of North Willoughby told of their shock at the confrontation between NSW Police and the man in his 40s, who was gunned down on Alexander Ave before 12pm.

Witnesses claimed the man was shirtless and making threats to locals while brandishing multiple knives.

He had knocked on multiple doors in the area and was heard making death threats to residents.

The two responding officers were then confronted by the knifeman before a constable discharged their firearm.

“It was like 11am and there was this crying sound (of) ‘I’ll kill her, I’ll kill her’,” local man Mujahid Torwali said.

“Soon, after five or 10 minutes, they were like firing (of gunshots), maybe three or four. And then after 10 to 15 minutes there was police everywhere.”

Mr Torwali said the first two gunshots came in quick succession, before a moments pause and then another round.

“They were very sharp (shots), they sounded at first like maybe firecrackers… they sounded like a gun, you know that different sound,” local Jakelin Troy said.

“This is the quietest part of Sydney, it used to be Gladys (Berijiklian’s) electorate, it’s just a really quiet part of Sydney and nothing happens around here.

“It’s very sad, it’s dreadful.”

Make him the commish.

Vicki
Vicki
May 25, 2023 2:12 pm

Neighbours on the usually-quiet and leafy streets of North Willoughby told of their shock at the confrontation between NSW Police and the man in his 40s, who was gunned down on Alexander Ave before 12pm.

It is a real shock around here. I was eating an early lunch at home (Cremorne) & intermittently causing this blog while waiting to pick up husband from hospital, when I heard of the drama. Friend who drove through Willoughby around that time wondered why it was necessary to gun the chap down. Who knows?

Vicki
Vicki
May 25, 2023 2:13 pm

“cruising “ this blog……..

bons
bons
May 25, 2023 2:44 pm

The conditions claimed by Constable Frizzel as providing some evidentiary support to a rape allegation are outrageous. No wonder so many men appear to have been railroaded.
The conditions that she outlined proved that an outrageously inebriated woman fell asleep in a ministerial office.
Everything else that the esteemed Constable claimed was pure unsupported conjecture. It is as applicable to this very serious issue as it is to the case for the existence of Santa Claus.

rosie
rosie
May 25, 2023 2:48 pm

It’s not the clothes that caused the problem Vicki, he was there for the purpose.
I got ‘groped’ standing on a crowded red rattler on the way to school when I was eleven.
I’m not blaming my school uniform (which was purchased to last me through secondary school, tunic below the knees, jumper, blazer swam on me).
I was like a deer in the headlights, though when the train stopped and a passenger got out of their seat I leapt for it to get away from him.

Razey
Razey
May 25, 2023 2:51 pm

Dover, we now know how the Nazis convinced normal Germans to slaughter Jews by the millions. The fact is 95% of people are gullible and stupid. A dangerous combination.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 25, 2023 2:53 pm

The conditions claimed by Constable Frizzel as providing some evidentiary support to a rape allegation are outrageous

When the security guard asked Brittany if she wanted medical attention or an ambulance, she declined…..

rosie
rosie
May 25, 2023 2:58 pm

Retired judge Nicholas Hasluck KC is another voice against the voice.

Razey
Razey
May 25, 2023 3:05 pm

Just arrived back in Hellbourne. Was at Hobart airport and a boomer ask me if I was heading for Vic. I said yes, unfortunately. She replied, its not that bad. I retorted, it was a lot better. No further exchanges were had.

Vicki
Vicki
May 25, 2023 3:05 pm

This male exploitation of young females “thing” is interesting & invokes a lot of disagreement.

Personally, and many may disagree, but I have always believed that much is simple biology. Men do tend to lust after young women. Wow – does anyone disagree with that? This is generally controlled by social convention and laws in general.

But this is something that all women, surely, recognise. I have never stood for unwanted or sleazy male contact. There is something, I guess, in my demeanour that speaks quite loudly of that general rule. As a result, I can honestly say, that in my personal and professional life, I have just not encountered sexism personally. I have always been respected, in particular, by professional male colleagues, and by male friends in general. So – with the exception of the sleazy old fellow – I have had nil unwanted overtures of that nature. It is a curious thing – in view of all the loud complaints of modern women – but there it is.

For what it is worth, I love men. I enjoy their company (dare I say – more than women??) & I particularly like the way their minds work . Maybe this is the source of that respectful relationship. Who knows? Mind you, some men do occasionally mistake this interest for something else – but that is quickly rectified.

Frank
Frank
May 25, 2023 3:26 pm

Yassmin whats-her-face

Magilla Magied I believe.

Razey
Razey
May 25, 2023 3:33 pm

Hunchback about to announce rent caps. Things gonna get hot this winter.

caveman
caveman
May 25, 2023 3:37 pm

Just re-reading that Twiggy interview. Australia is fu.ked.

Not taking away anything from Twiggy and what he’s accomplished….but Twiggy is fu.ked , he’s full retardo on climate. He’s full on militant with his climate change beliefs. But guys like this could band together and force the issue to go nuclear and make Australia better but the Government money must be so sweeeeeeet.

rickw
rickw
May 25, 2023 3:40 pm

A bit of history from here, only found out about her because an airport bears her name:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliya_Moldagulova

duncanm
duncanm
May 25, 2023 3:41 pm

Franksays:
May 25, 2023 at 3:26 pm
Yassmin whats-her-face

Magilla Magied I believe.

Magilla Magoo more like it.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 25, 2023 3:44 pm

Magilla Magoo more like it.

Axle Magpie?

rosie
rosie
May 25, 2023 3:50 pm

I don’t subscribe to the all men are potential predators narrative but is there a teeny tiny cohort out that prey on the vulnerable?
Oh yes, they exist.
Which is why I discouraged the young women in my family from putting themselves in vulnerable positions, alone, at night, in unfamiliar places.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
May 25, 2023 4:01 pm

In When a Plan Comes Together news:

NSW energy transition needs $10bn as delays strike

…in an announcement that will fuel concern about the state’s progress, Energy Minister Penny Sharpe will reveal that the roadmap require nearly $10bn in urgent spending, while two REZs are now on course to be developed later than previously announced.

Much of the $10bn in investment will initially be paid by private investors, but these funds will eventually be recouped via customer bills over the coming years. Government sources said the cost of not implementing the transition would be even more expensive for households as coal power stations reached the end of their lifespan.

The first REZ to be constructed will be Central-West Orana, but that is now not likely to generate energy until 2027, Ms Sharpe will reveal, which will be after the closure of the Eraring power station.

For those who may have forgotten:

The Electricity Infrastructure Roadmap (the Roadmap) is the NSW Government’s plan to transform our electricity sector into one that is cheap, clean, and reliable. It sets out a coordinated way forward to achieving a capacity target of at least 12 gigawatts of renewable energy generation, and two gigawatts of long-duration storage by 2030.

The Roadmap is enabled by the Electricity Infrastructure Investment Act 2020 (the Act), which passed into law with cross-party support in December 2020.

Under the Roadmap, heavy industry electricity prices in NSW are indicatively expected to be in the lowest 10 per cent of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) by 2030.

Technical note: the correlation between the NSW Government summonsing “nearly $10bn in urgent spending” by the private sector and “electricity prices in NSW are indicatively expected to be in the lowest 10 per cent of the OECD” is very, very low.

It turns out that the problem is that nobody realised that farmers couldn’t be bought off for $200,000/km for transmission powerlines across their land – as per the Excel spreadsheet.

An AEMO Arts/Law graduate was unavailable for comment.

Morsie
Morsie
May 25, 2023 4:02 pm

It is clear Rolf Haris was a groper but the list of charges against him were basically nothing burgers like grabbing someone’s bum in a crowd.
He lost a lot of points for screwing his daughters adult friend I.e over the age of 18.
Anyone else facing similar charges would have expected a bond.

Top Ender
Top Ender
May 25, 2023 4:06 pm

Thorpie’s real aim – to be in the news once a fortnight….

The Territory’s police union has taken aim at a Victorian Senator Lidia Thorpe’s “disrespectful publicity stunt” over Alice Springs funding.

Senator Thorpe stormed out of a Senate estimates hearing on Wednesday after a scathing exchange with NT Senator Malarndirri McCarthy.

The pair’s shouting match came after it was confirmed $14.2m of federal funding for high-visibility police operations in Central Australia was from the National Indigenous Australians Agency.

Ms Thorpe said the funding was “disgusting” and described police as “the ones killing our people”.

NT Police Association acting president Lisa Bayliss said the Indigenous senator should publicly apologise for the “disgraceful vilification” of police.

“Senator Thorpe’s comments demonstrate a severe lack of understanding and awareness of the dire situation faced by NT police and the pressing need for increased resources and staffing,” Ms Bayliss said.

“The reality is the NT Police Force is critically under resourced and understaffed, making it exceedingly difficult for them to effectively combat the escalating crime wave which is plaguing the Territory.

“Our members strive, every single day, to keep our communities safe – while facing dangerous and volatile situations with limited resources.”

Ms Bayliss said the $14.2m – which will put an extra 30 police officers, 21 police auxiliary liquor inspectors and 10 security guards in Alice Springs – was “crucial” for police to effectively protect the community.

“Senator Thorpe’s comments not only highlight her ignorance of the harsh realities faced by the NT police force, but they also expose her disregard for the safety and wellbeing of the communities they serve,” she said.

“This is nothing more than a disrespectful publicity stunt, using the NT police force as a pawn for political point scoring to create further division in the community.”

Police Federation of Australia chief executive Scott Weber said Ms Thorpe’s comments showed “a complete lack of understanding and empathy” for the challenges officers face.

“Instead of attempting to score cheap political points, the Senator should take the time to educate herself with the realities on the ground, particularly in Central Australia, and the immense pressure under which the NT police forces operates before making baseless and misguided comments,” he said.

“NT police play a crucial role in protecting our community and fostering a sense of unity.

“They do an absolutely sensational job at keeping communities, right across the Territory, safe.”

Ms McCarthy, who is also Indigenous, shot back during the estimates hearing on Wednesday, defending the work of Territory police and need for the funding.

“You’re the one who brings disgrace to the Senate, to your people … how dare you,” she said to Ms Thorpe.

Both senators withdrew their remarks before Ms Thorpe walked out of the session, saying it was “an absolute disgrace”.

NT News

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 25, 2023 4:09 pm

Thorpie’s real aim – to be in the news once a fortnight….

The Voice of the Voice?

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
May 25, 2023 4:12 pm

The ABC’s internal ombudsman finds that it’s coronation coverage did not breach it’s standards of impartiality:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-25/abc-ombudsman-findings-king-coronation-coverage/102392616

Quelle surprise, as Hendo would say.

Rafiki
Rafiki
May 25, 2023 4:14 pm

What Frizell said was that Higgins’ nakedness was “some evidentiary support” for a finding of ultimate fact that intercourse took place. And so it is, but would have such low probative value standing alone that it might have been excluded on the trial. To have value it would need to be joined with other evidence to prove this fact. Higgins claim of having been penetrative could be added, and its force would turn on the jury’s assessment of her credibility. If the jury did believe her, there was really no need for other evidence. Note that the law did not require Higgins evidence to be corroborated.
The outrage of some bloggers here is beside the point. The critical issue was Higgins credibility.

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
May 25, 2023 4:16 pm

On Rolf Harris, by the way, I recall reading at the time of his conviction a reminiscence by a woman from WA. She was about twelve and the great man was due to visit. But a presenter at the local radio station in Geraldton warned her to be careful because Harris was a notorious dirty old man.

I.e. people knew!

mem
mem
May 25, 2023 4:16 pm

‘Am watching the livestream of the Board of Inquiry from Canberra. I realize that such inquiries need to be meticulous but today’s proceedings are moving very slowly indeed, with much repetition of questions . I guess there is no pressure to move forward briskly when you are a counsel being paid by the hour by the taxpayer or a counsel representing an agency such as the VOC, and see benefit in using up time praising the “good works” of your taxpayer-funded employer. The Police who have been in the witness stand for many hours at a time keep their answers short to a simple “yes” or “no” or “can you repeat that question”. But I guess this is how these things proceed. It is obvious that the DPP and the VOC are trying to expose the Police as being incompetent, insensitive, biased or in other words to shift blame but on the contrary the Police are holding up well despite some paperwork errors. The extraordinary amount of paperwork and consultation required to deal with such a case has been an eye-opener for me.

Top Ender
Top Ender
May 25, 2023 4:16 pm

Target tries out for go woke, go broke…

Megyn Kelly slammed Target for launching ‘tuck-friendly’ bathing suits because women ‘don’t have penises,’ as the chain-store pulls Pride displays after backlash.

Kelly, 52, has joined in with the wave of others who have taken offense to Target’s new pride collection, especially the ‘tuck-friendly’ swimwear that can be found in the women’s section.

‘[Target] decided to willingly partner with this clothing manufacturer to make pride month gear that includes bathing suits that are quote ‘tuck-friendly’ that have extra material around the crotch, which no woman needs because we don’t have penises down south in Rio,’ she said on her show on Wednesday.

‘We don’t need extra material and we don’t need tuck-friendly, but the Target CEO is out there defending this saying: “Look, the extra crotch wear and the tuck-friendly bathing suits are important, that this whole line in the pride department is a good business decision. it’s the right thing for a society.”‘

Despite facing sharp criticism for the release, which also includes items for babies and children, CEO Brian Cornell told Fortune’s Leadership Next podcast he approved of the campaign.

Daily Mail

shatterzzz
May 25, 2023 4:19 pm

Dover, we now know how the Nazis convinced normal Germans to slaughter Jews by the millions. The fact is 95% of people are gullible and stupid. A dangerous combination.

I don’t think it was gullibity or stupidity that attracted folk to camp “work” .. it was, more likely, POWER, unbridled power! .. the power of life and death without any consequences to the wielder ..
We saw it , to a lesser extent, during the “lockdowns” when plod “thugs” were given carte blanche to coerce people .. most relished the “do-as-we-say-not as we do” authority and the added pepper spray/baton encouragement it entailed whilst the upper echelons adopted the “Nelson” eye approach ……
We also see it, regularly, with troughers .. whether they be enriching themselves or maaates or just downright incompetent ( ROBODEBT) .. they couldn’t care less attitude cos OPM and we-still-walks- away-wiv-an-exhorbitant reward ……..!

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 25, 2023 4:23 pm

The Voice of the Voice?

Thorpe wants to be the spittle that flies out when a voice is shouting at its angriest.

Dot
Dot
May 25, 2023 4:24 pm

Sancho

My problem is how the court systems run now in the west.

1. The presumption of innocence is under attack in ways not seen until this decade and the last one.
2. “Child” complainants (who may be decades older now) and others for specific crimes, have rules about questioning them, vagueness is taken as a sign of veracity of claims of mistreatment, because of presumed proven mistreatment – reminds me of a phrase, more relevant elsewhere, the source rising above the stream…
3. How do you defend yourself against multiple claims of low level assaults decades later when neither party can verify there whereabouts but if you can and require the other party to do so, questioning the prosecution narrative is frowned upon and a lot of leeway is given for altering complaints (mid trial!) given 2.?
4. Then we have dangerous idiocy regarding probity as a function of judicial officer’s personal preferences, majority jury verdicts, police and prosecution coaching of complainants as well as playing silly buggers with charge sheets and indictments.

A fair trial may not even possible anymore (if it ever was).

bespoke
bespoke
May 25, 2023 4:31 pm

I have always been respected, in particular, by professional male colleagues, and by male friends in general. So – with the exception of the sleazy old fellow

My wife used to get propersals all the time at work, Vicki. Mostly by harmless old dudes but sometimes I I’d have go in to tell the groping ones to rack off.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 25, 2023 4:34 pm

mem – I have been watching a bit of the inquiry (till I lose interest). The oral examination takes place against the probably tens of thousands of pages of written evidence exchanged by way of affidavit and exhibits. Unless you are intimately familiar with it all (probably only a handful of people in the room) the importance of much of it will not be apparent. Barristers rarely (or at least should rarely) start a line of inquiry without a pretty good idea where it will end up.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 25, 2023 4:38 pm

But a presenter at the local radio station in Geraldton warned her to be careful because Harris was a notorious dirty old man.

Long standing friends of the family were at school with Rolf Harris. Girls learned early never to be alone with him.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
May 25, 2023 4:45 pm

What Frizell said was that Higgins’ nakedness was “some evidentiary support” for a finding of ultimate fact that intercourse took place. And so it is,

My sense was that you almost had to assume intercourse took place to conclude that her nakedness supported her claim that it took place.

It could as easily ‘support’ the claim that she was dressed when Lehrmann left her and for some reason afterward she stripped down and fell asleep. Which, of course, is Lehrmann’s contention. And all either of these mean is that they don’t contradict what they claim.

Not being an expert in cases such as rape I would expect it was less common for a rapist to completely undress their victim. But I would speculate that, depending on motivations and delusions, some do.

Razey
Razey
May 25, 2023 4:46 pm

Wot about Booomers?????

Boss says one age group of workers needs praise an extraordinary 156 times a year in order to feel valued

AFP Commissioner says Gen Z need the most reassurance
He said a study found they need praise three times a week
Millennials need praise three times a year and Gen X once a year

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12122339/How-praise-Gen-Z-Gen-X-need-year-according-AFP-Commissioner-Reece-Kershaw.html

mem
mem
May 25, 2023 4:47 pm

What Frizell said was that Higgins’ nakedness was “some evidentiary support” for a finding of ultimate fact that intercourse took place

From what I heard today, the police were using a matrix diagram to try and tease out the possible pros and cons of evidence in the case. “She was naked”, was just one factor listed on the pro side. During today’s hearing the counsel for the DPP honed in on this and used the old tactic of, so you are saying this is conditional evidence of sexual intercourse. He was then corrected by Head Honcho, who said I don’t think you can say conditional, perhaps “support” and Counsel quickly changed it to “some evidentiary support” and quickly got Frizell to acknowledge this, which I think she was foxed into saying. And this will now be taken out context.

Dot
Dot
May 25, 2023 4:50 pm

AFP Commissioner

LOL

Razey
Razey
May 25, 2023 4:52 pm

AFP Commissioner

LOL

C’mon man, you know, the thing!

Robert Sewell
May 25, 2023 4:56 pm

Johanna:

My opinion, FWIIW, is that the referendum will deservdly fail.
Of course, that will be used as evidence that Australians are terminal racists.

If Australians were racists, the Asian and African population would be shrinking as they left.
They are not, ergo, Australians are not racists.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 25, 2023 4:56 pm

mem – I got the impression there was a fair bit of fishing and muddying of the waters going on today. Don’t think that will fly with Sofronoff.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 25, 2023 4:56 pm

Snr Const Frizzell agreed, however, that Ms Higgins was found naked and asleep in Senator Linda Reynolds’ office in Parliament House and that this was “some evidentiary support” of the fact that sexual intercourse took place.

The fact that intercourse took place? No. Not by any means.

It is an extremely limited measure of support for an assertion that intercourse took place, and nothing else.

Razey
Razey
May 25, 2023 4:57 pm
feelthebern
feelthebern
May 25, 2023 5:01 pm

I’ll still enjoy Rolf Harris songs.

Smooth Criminal is an awesome song.
But Michael Jackson should have still been put down.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 25, 2023 5:01 pm

Friend who drove through Willoughby around that time wondered why it was necessary to gun the chap down.

There’s always a handful. The giant Spiderman net. Shoot the knives out of his hand. Shoot that moving target, but only in the ankle and away from a vein. Buy him a coffee.

Who knows?

Let’s see:

Witnesses claimed the man was shirtless and making threats to locals while brandishing multiple knives. He had knocked on multiple doors in the area and was heard making death threats to residents.

That’s why. Nobody should confuse this with Tasering a 95 year old who couldn’t walk unassisted. The people ‘wondering why’ should first wonder what this dude, mental or not, would have done to one of their loved ones standing next to him.

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 25, 2023 5:07 pm

What Frizell said was that Higgins’ nakedness was “some evidentiary support” for a finding of ultimate fact that intercourse took place.

A chap I know used to have a habit of getting blind drunk then taking his kit off.
He grew out of it by his late 20’s but it was not uncommon for someone to cover him with a blanket after he had passed out naked.
Pretty sure that wasn’t evidentiary support of anything.

bespoke
bespoke
May 25, 2023 5:07 pm

Zulu Kings and the larg extended family live in luxurious accommodation payed for by the state while the rest live in shanties .
What was that phrase numberwang used to say ‘joyful poverty’ or something?.

Don’t be foolish tourists, you are only seeing what they want you to see.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 25, 2023 5:09 pm

What was that phrase numberwang used to say ‘joyful poverty’ or something?.

‘Cheerful squalor.’

It reminded me of that too. Idyllic poverty.

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 25, 2023 5:10 pm

Another chap I know had a horrible habit of getting home blind drunk and wetting the bed…while his missus was in it.
That was evidence of him sleeping in the spare room for the next week.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 25, 2023 5:10 pm

Jeebus. Now Prof van Wrongselen has waded into the sTan Grant saga in Teh Paywallian. This is bigger than Ben Hur.

H B Bear
H B Bear
May 25, 2023 5:12 pm

Who hasn’t taken a leak in a wardrobe?

rosie
rosie
May 25, 2023 5:12 pm

Cheerful squalor.

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 25, 2023 5:15 pm

Romani stocktake down Surry Hills way.
Near Central.

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 25, 2023 5:16 pm

Pikey’s?
I ‘ate f*ckin’ Pikeys.

bespoke
bespoke
May 25, 2023 5:17 pm

Cheers KD and rosie.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 25, 2023 5:18 pm

I ‘ate f*ckin’ Pikeys.

Ye like dags?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 25, 2023 5:20 pm

Who hasn’t taken a leak in a wardrobe?

I know a cavalryman who went to bed rather the worse for wear. He woke up in the middle of the night, thinking he was asleep in the back of his APC, in the bush. . He walked out of the bedroom, and p!zzed in the potplants…

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 25, 2023 5:21 pm

Bullet Tooth Tony : Oh I love this song.

Dot
Dot
May 25, 2023 5:22 pm

I know a guy, who rooted a girl, who rooted a guy, who rooted a girl, who rooted a guy, who rooted a girl, who rooted Ben Barba.

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 25, 2023 5:23 pm

Dot, that sounds like a Blur song.

Roger
Roger
May 25, 2023 5:23 pm

Looks like QLD’s economy is slowing to a putter and may even go into reverse.

MatrixTransform
May 25, 2023 5:23 pm

If the jury did believe her, there was really no need for other evidence.

welcome back to the Dark Ages

Dot
Dot
May 25, 2023 5:24 pm

James Joyce was your choice! What are ya, a wanker?

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 25, 2023 5:24 pm

This could be the great fire of Sydney.
One way to reduce the amount of vacant office space.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
May 25, 2023 5:24 pm

I know a guy, who rooted a girl, who rooted a guy, who rooted a girl, who rooted a guy, who rooted a girl, who rooted Ben Barba

Well I know a girl that rooted that guy.

Dot
Dot
May 25, 2023 5:25 pm

(Bern – it’s TISM, I hope you’re indulging in peak sarcasm…you got me good.)

feelthebern
feelthebern
May 25, 2023 5:26 pm

Ben Barba ended up rooting himself.

Frank
Frank
May 25, 2023 5:26 pm

Who hasn’t taken a leak in a wardrobe?

Knocking over the line of piss jugs is just the worst.

Dot
Dot
May 25, 2023 5:26 pm

Truth be told.

My story is exactly the same as KD’s.

mem
mem
May 25, 2023 5:27 pm

H B Bearsays:
May 25, 2023 at 4:56 pm
mem – I got the impression there was a fair bit of fishing and muddying of the waters going on today. Don’t think that will fly with Sofronoff.

Agreed. Think he’s got a handle on their shenanigans. Counsel for DPP thinks he has scored a win though and the silly media will play this up. But alas, this is not the trial, it is an inquiry looking at whether due process was followed and if current due process is conducive to the practice of good law in our court system. I hope my confidence in Sofronoff is not misplaced.

Roger
Roger
May 25, 2023 5:29 pm

Thorpie’s real aim – to be in the news once a fortnight….

What are the odds she implodes before her term is up and retires to attend to her mental health/family/her people’s real needs/insert here?

calli
calli
May 25, 2023 5:30 pm

It’s worse when it’s done into the fresh ironing basket.

As rumour has it.

Tom
Tom
May 25, 2023 5:31 pm

Sharri Markson’s 5pm hour on Sky News, which had been promoted as a news-breaking show (unlike the Sky evening shows, which are repackaged opinions), has become a dead loss.

Sharri’s lead story tonight is a run-of-the-mill police rounds story about a commercial building fire in central Sydney — that is, a story that would be lucky to make the top 10 stories on the 6pm network news.

I’ve switched over to SBS Food because it’s less uninteresting.

Dot
Dot
May 25, 2023 5:31 pm

NRL:

Five teams are 1st on 16 points, three teams are 2nd on 14 points.

I wonder if this is a boring product for midwit Karens and soccer mums?

The only real differentiation in the comp is from 13th up until 8th.

You could rissole Dragons and Tigers, 1st to 7th is Premier League with three full rounds and finals for 1st to 4th with a tradtional format; and 8th to 15th plays a mid week comp with 20 minute quarters in regional towns. Fans will love it, bring back the 1990s!

Let’s hope my Dolphins gambit pays off.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
May 25, 2023 5:40 pm

What are the odds she implodes before her term is up and retires to attend to her mental health/family/her people’s real needs/insert here?

Michael Smith has christened her “Hideous Lidia.” Pay that one.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
May 25, 2023 5:41 pm

Jeebus. Now Prof van Wrongselen has waded into the sTan Grant saga in Teh Paywallian. This is bigger than Ben Hur.

Sydney man charged after allegedly threatening ABC journalist Stan Grant online

The 41-year-old accused was arrested in Fairfield Heights, in the city’s west, on Wednesday evening, and taken to the local police station.

“He was charged with use carriage to threaten serious harm and carriage service to menace/harass/offend,” a NSW Police spokesperson said.

The man was granted bail and will front Fairfield Local Court on May 31.

Not a StanFan, but never impressed with anonymous dickheads talking a tough game. This wanker will end up giving oxygen to the The No Argument is 100% Owned by Supreme Gay Grampians tendency.

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