Open Thread – Thurs 13 July 2023


The Hay Wain, John Constable,1821

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Alamak!
July 13, 2023 12:01 am

1

Top Ender
Top Ender
July 13, 2023 12:03 am

2 – thanks to it being 3pm in Ireland and you lot are zzzzzzzzzz……

Dot
Dot
July 13, 2023 12:04 am

Chew.

Dot
Dot
July 13, 2023 12:06 am

I’m coping and seething right now.

Alamak!
July 13, 2023 12:07 am

“if you aint first, you’re last – shake and bake!”

Dot
Dot
July 13, 2023 12:09 am

Cwepes.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
July 13, 2023 12:15 am

In the top 10. Not bad

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
July 13, 2023 12:18 am

When I were lad, we had Weekend Thread that had to last you til Tuesday Thread, then you had to be content with that until next Weekend Thread. It were all we had…. but to us, it were marvellous.
This Thursday Thread, I’ll never get used to it. Stinks of Unitarianism, it does.

Gabor
Gabor
July 13, 2023 12:24 am

Wally Dalí
Jul 13, 2023 12:18 AM

When I were lad, we had Weekend Thread that had to last you til Tuesday Thread, then you had to be content with that until next Weekend Thread. It were all we had…. but to us, it were marvellous.
This Thursday Thread, I’ll never get used to it. Stinks of Unitarianism, it does.

Agree, makes me feel old with all these new threads.

Alamak!
July 13, 2023 1:00 am

It were all we had…. but to us, it were marvellous

moar threads but same content … we need some scandals, soon, otherwise the site may plummet into a hell of fact-driven analysis and rational discussion.

The horror.

MatrixTransform
July 13, 2023 1:13 am

fact-driven analysis and rational discussion

11pm in Fremantle and not much chance of that

calli
calli
July 13, 2023 1:17 am

Afternoon in Iceland. This from yesterday…

Just back from my “Golden Circle” tour.

First…I’ll get it out of the way. The volcanic eruption near Reykjavik is visible, even from the ship. Any Aussie would interpret it as a distant bushfire, given the billowing smoke swept horizontally by the breeze. Quite different from the puffs of smoke and gas from the typical, conical volcano in Guatemala that I witnessed from the bus in 2019.

I’m not fearful of being found, centuries hence, curled up with the Beloved Pompeii style!

The difference between north and south is the silhouette of the landscape against the bright blue sky – the north is a flat plateau, the result of many eruptions of undisturbed basalt, forming layers much like one of those crepe gateaux. Add to that a vast, crushing ice sheet and the action of glaciers and you have a compressed formation with beautiful “U” valleys. South and everything changes to uplift and jaggedness.

I stood at the edge of the North American/Atlantic plate and looked over the ever expanding no-man’s land to the Eurasian plate, rising in the distance. Eventually we drove over to it. The two are parting ways at the rate of 2cm a year.

A mini “Old Faithful” that proved anything but…I waited for an age for the thing to erupt and it did. A piddly little bubble and steam. The camera off, my back turned and the mongrel shot up a great jet of water. Missed it by “that” much. What did fascinate me was the ability of moss to grow waterside – near water that was boiling.

Another story is that of the Icelandic horse, but that must wait for another day.

MatrixTransform
July 13, 2023 1:17 am

Leon the professional on SBS

… there is a god

calli
calli
July 13, 2023 1:19 am

No it won’t.

Icelandic horses are unique in the equine world. Introduced to the island by the Vikings, then subjected to centuries of isolation, the bloodlines are pure and free of disease and genetically robust.

The horses are left outside in winter. They are tough and take turns to protect the herd against the arctic gales by swapping places against the wind. I believe Emperor penguins also do this as a survival technique. They also have a unique gait.

Any horse that leaves Iceland can never return. Equally, no horse from outside the island can ever enter. The horses are protected from disease by stringent quarantine laws.

They are small, but they are horses not ponies. They are kept as pets and do no work. They get extremely fat on summer pasture and have to be trimmed down over winter. If it wasn’t for the harsh winters, they live the life of Riley.

I have three “sea” days coming up, then off to France.

Alamak!
July 13, 2023 1:28 am

Matrix> I doubt this excellent movie (“Leon – the professional”) would be made these days.

John H.
John H.
July 13, 2023 1:29 am

JC
Jul 12, 2023 11:44 PM
The Amish thing would be a good topic for JohnH to comment on.

It’s interesting, I’d like to look at it more closely; but I’d be better off talking to my Aspie friend who is well informed on the subject.

Absolutist claims often markers of nonsense. The 0% for all conditions should send alarm bells ringing. Another consideration is that genetics comes up all the time in ASD. I believe it is a necessary though not always sufficient component. ASD is more prevalent in family lines that have higher rates of autoimmunity and high intelligence. The Amish community is relatively genetically and environmentally closed. Nonetheless COVID did reach them, and the Mennonites, and people died.

BTW the Amish do vaccinate but at much lower rates than the general population.

There are so many rabbit holes. The DSM changes allow for Asperger’s to be classified as ASD. That makes a huge difference to the numbers because so many people have Aspie traits and most psychologists don’t know about the frequency and recency illusions or think they are immune from those failings. The Amish probably have better nutritional status, a much healthier diet with low obesity rates. Obesity is a risk factor for COVID related morbidity. We know they have genetically acquired conditions and there are documented cases of ASD; albeit only a few. They have special needs children. It doesn’t surprise me they are much healthier than the general US population. The Amish can teach us a few lessons about being healthy.

To give you an idea of how ridiculous some claims are consider this statement that ASD is caused by glyphosate:

As one MIT researcher, Dr. Stephanie Seneff has already predicted,
if the current trendcontinues unabated and if nothing is done to shift
this momentum in a positive direction today, the incidence of Autism
would be 1 in 2 children in the U.S by 2025.

That was written in 2015. How’s that working out?

JC
JC
July 13, 2023 1:31 am

Thanks John.

Yeah, the zero thing is questionable.

MatrixTransform
July 13, 2023 1:33 am

some claims are consider this statement that ASD is caused by glyphosate

almost as stupid as roof inspections to be carried out by drones

apparently Bob the Pilot is plumbing expert

JC
JC
July 13, 2023 1:33 am
MatrixTransform
July 13, 2023 1:34 am

and Bob the stockbroker knows how everything really works

calli
calli
July 13, 2023 1:53 am

On reflection, both the horses and penguins have a unique gait!

Here’s another little travelogue from a couple of days ago.

On the seas to Isafjordur…the ship will re-enter the Arctic Circle tonight. Sunset at 0:29 sunrise at 2:41. The light however, never really leaves, only dims in intensity. No northern stars for me this time. The Seven Sisters and Pole Star must wait until later in the year when we return.

The captain has informed us that our speed will be reduced as icebergs have been sighted along the route. This must be an area of ocean unaffected by the Gulf Stream, cold and inhospitable, apart from home to whales and seals.

We will be passing the island’s westfjord zone, basically uninhabited and home to the arctic fox. Hard to describe the beauty I see all around me. It’s an aesthetic that still retains its hard edges, the antithesis of home where aeons have rounded and flattened and blurred the rocks. Here the crystal light casts everything into sharp relief. The closest I have seen would be the Beagle Channel at the other end of the earth.

We will soon lose our pilot as we leave the fjord and enter the open sea.

And so another “day” ends.

Postscript. Morning again. The ship’s horn has been sounding all night. We entered fog at around 11pm. Pulling back the heavy curtains, the sun streams through…we have rounded the top of Iceland and left the fog behind us. I glance to the stern and there it is – an impenetrable blanket sitting on a glassy ocean. Above – blue skies.

Gabor
Gabor
July 13, 2023 2:01 am

calli
Jul 13, 2023 1:17 AM

Missed it by “that” much.

Calli, you are too honest, we wouldn’t have clue if you took that pic or posted a stock one.
Enjoy your hols.

calli
calli
July 13, 2023 2:10 am

Thanks Gabor. I’m sitting here in the port office mooching around on the internet so I don’t dwell on some bad news from home about Mum – yet another fall. Hard decisions to be made when I return. Fortunately my very capable brother has things in hand.

Not as bad as the poor German man beside me just now. He was taking a call, his voice rose and a torrent of incomprehensible (to me) words ensued. Call over, he burst into tears. His brother had died.

Tom
Tom
July 13, 2023 4:00 am
Barking Toad
Barking Toad
July 13, 2023 4:01 am

Sad news indeed Calli. And no doubt made worse by the news received by your fellow traveller.

Tom
Tom
July 13, 2023 4:01 am
Tom
Tom
July 13, 2023 4:02 am
Tom
Tom
July 13, 2023 4:03 am
Tom
Tom
July 13, 2023 4:04 am
Tom
Tom
July 13, 2023 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
July 13, 2023 4:06 am
Tom
Tom
July 13, 2023 4:08 am
Tom
Tom
July 13, 2023 4:09 am
Tom
Tom
July 13, 2023 4:10 am
Tom
Tom
July 13, 2023 4:11 am
Tom
Tom
July 13, 2023 4:12 am
Tom
Tom
July 13, 2023 4:13 am
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 13, 2023 4:35 am

JC
Jul 12, 2023 11:44 PM
The Amish thing would be a good topic for JohnH to comment on.

Does the report say anything about transgenderism among the Amish?

miltonf
miltonf
July 13, 2023 4:49 am

Fascinating reading. Thanks Calli.

rosie
rosie
July 13, 2023 4:51 am

Not enough apparently.

rosie
rosie
July 13, 2023 4:52 am

If plumbers get get on roofs to do the work, why can’t inspectors get on the roof to inspect the work?

JC
JC
July 13, 2023 4:53 am

Does the report say anything about transgenderism among the Amish?

Only a building site godlette would be able to answer that, sanchez. But you know that.

JC
JC
July 13, 2023 4:55 am

That’s a question for Bob the builder, Rosie.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 13, 2023 5:09 am

rosie

Jul 13, 2023 4:52 AM

If plumbers get get on roofs to do the work, why can’t inspectors get on the roof to inspect the work?

That’s not how scams work.
Maybe the air-con gurus could be trained to do roof inspections when they come back to fix their mistakes.
Victoria.
Building rorts from the tip of your roof to the bottom of your (non-existent) water-proofing.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 13, 2023 5:10 am

Also, re the Amish study.
What is the level of mongs, retards and wankers in the Amish community?

rosie
rosie
July 13, 2023 5:12 am

I posted a couple of articles on the end of the old thread.
One pointed out that both Amish and Hutterites have higher than normal rates of juvenile leukaemia which squishes the Amish children never get cancer claim.

rosie
rosie
July 13, 2023 5:17 am
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 13, 2023 5:19 am

One pointed out that both Amish and Hutterites have higher than normal rates of juvenile leukaemia which squishes the Amish children never get cancer claim.

Yeah, zero pussent cancer rate sounds suss, unless the sample is quite small.

Johnny Rotten
July 13, 2023 5:57 am

Many thanks Tom.

Johnny Rotten
July 13, 2023 5:58 am

Space is big. You just won’t believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it’s a long way down the road to the drug store, but that’s just peanuts to space.

– Douglas Adams

Johnny Rotten
July 13, 2023 6:05 am

In modern war… you will die like a dog for no good reason.

– Ernest Hemingway

LBLoveday
LBLoveday
July 13, 2023 6:36 am

Great news.

The ABC has sensationally pulled its final defence in its defamation fight against a former special forces commando, just two weeks before the matter was set to go to trial.

Heston Russell is suing the ABC and two of its investigative journalists over stories published in 2020 and 2021 that he claims made it look like he was being investigated for shooting an unarmed prisoner.

At an emergency hearing in the Federal Court at 5.45pm Wednesday, barrister Lyndelle Barnett for the ABC told the court they had withdrawn the public interest defence” and accepted that Mr Russell was entitled to judgment.

Justice Lee commented that the scheduled hearing time on July 28 would now be used for an assessment of damages including Mr Russell’s claim for aggravated damages by reason of the ABC’s conduct in the proceedings.

The matter will return to court on Friday.

I hope he gets $millions on top of costs, even though taxpayers will pay it, not the ABC scum responsible for the disgraceful libel.

LBLoveday
LBLoveday
July 13, 2023 6:37 am

reat news.

The ABC has sensationally pulled its final defence in its defamation fight against a former special forces commando, just two weeks before the matter was set to go to trial.

Heston Russell is suing the ABC and two of its investigative journalists over stories published in 2020 and 2021 that he claims made it look like he was being investigated for shooting an unarmed prisoner.

At an emergency hearing in the Federal Court at 5.45pm Wednesday, barrister Lyndelle Barnett for the ABC told the court they had withdrawn the public interest defence” and accepted that Mr Russell was entitled to judgment.

Justice Lee commented that the scheduled hearing time on July 28 would now be used for an assessment of damages including Mr Russell’s claim for aggravated damages by reason of the ABC’s conduct in the proceedings.

The matter will return to court on Friday.

I hope he gets $millions on top of costs, even though taxpayers will pay it, not the ABC scum responsible for the disgraceful libel.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
July 13, 2023 7:02 am

Yeah, zero pussent cancer rate sounds suss, unless the sample is quite small

You have to take into account the level of iodine consumption.

Cassie of Sydney
July 13, 2023 7:05 am

“Thanks Gabor. I’m sitting here in the port office mooching around on the internet so I don’t dwell on some bad news from home about Mum – yet another fall. Hard decisions to be made when I return. Fortunately my very capable brother has things in hand.”

calli, I am glad you’re enjoying your holidays. Hope your Mum is okay. Dealing with frail elderly parents is fraught. I have stepfather in hospital, who is very, very unlikely to return home. Mum is bearing up okay.

As with Lizzie and Rosie’s travelogues, I’m really enjoying yours. Please keep them up. And your logs remind me of the writer Paul Theroux.

Dot
Dot
July 13, 2023 7:14 am

https://www.afr.com/markets/debt-markets/here-s-why-the-rba-hasn-t-gone-as-hard-on-rates-yet-20230706-p5dme1

No.

It is because they dug themselves a hole.

Mortgage rates are driven by foreign funding of Australian bonds and thus interest rate parity.

Beertruk
July 13, 2023 7:44 am

Wally Dalí
Jul 13, 2023 12:18 AM

When I were lad, we had Weekend Thread that had to last you til Tuesday Thread, then you had to be content with that until next Weekend Thread. It were all we had…. but to us, it were marvellous.
This Thursday Thread, I’ll never get used to it. Stinks of Unitarianism, it does.

Agree, makes me feel old with all these new threads.

To paraphrasse…Agree… 😉

shatterzzz
July 13, 2023 7:49 am

I blame Captain Cook for Dennis’ plight .. If “Jimmy” hadn’t dismantled the entire 251 PS during his decimation of the “dreamtime” Dennis would have been under the Natives Only centreLink system which was well known for approving anything a “genuine” 251 asked for .. Shame, Jimmy, shame! ..
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-07-12/elder-bid-indigenous-access-to-age-pension-federal-court/102592840

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
July 13, 2023 7:55 am

Evidence my nearly 3yo grandson is smarter than Ed. Yesterday he was telling the dogs not to drink the petrol for his lawnmower. “Not many people know that” called Ed. H/T Micheal Caine.

rosie
rosie
July 13, 2023 7:56 am

And good to point out that age pension is a fall back provision.
If it were a matter of getting back what you put in some people would be in dire straits.

“The social security system as a whole would not treat members of all races with equal dignity and respect if it provided members of a particular race with more limited access to the age pension than others,” the judges said.

Sounds like a system of democracy that gave more rights to one race would have the same impact.

rosie
rosie
July 13, 2023 7:58 am

No doubt the white taxpayer funded Dennis’s Federal Court challenge too.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
July 13, 2023 7:58 am

Other proof is Ed drinks lawnmower fuel whilst smoking. Woof! The question is, Ed a dog or a flamer?

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
July 13, 2023 8:01 am

It’s very clear from my unwanted deep dive into the power system that climate targets are now decoupled from the equation as the looming supply shortage breeds panic.
Targets and planing have been the catalyst for the swan dive off the supply cliff but the engineers and grid operators are truly worried that nothing can be built in time to stop blackouts.
They’re not against nuclear, other than we should have started ten years ago and now it’s too late to rely on that as a solution.
The renewable push into the bush and coast will turn ugly as political desperation mounts.
Gas fired plants are the quickest and must be built asap.
Rise up people.

lotocoti
lotocoti
July 13, 2023 8:03 am

It’s muck-raking when The Sun does it.
Brendan O’Neill on this week’s episode of the BBC’s long running Which Nonce.

shatterzzz
July 13, 2023 8:05 am

Golly, gosh! .. I’m starting to realise NSW won game 3 of the thugby .. big clue being the wall to wall stories across the NSW media .. for some reason this inundation of reporting wasn’t dun for games 1 & 2 .. LOL!

Pogria
Pogria
July 13, 2023 8:15 am

Recently there were news stories of Killer Whales attacking boats. Now we have Sea Otters stealing surfboards from surfers in California. Gnarly Dude!
https://www.breitbart.com/local/2023/07/12/california-sea-otter-hijacking-surfers-santa-cruz/

Watch the clip, it’s funny.

Zatara
Zatara
July 13, 2023 8:20 am

Sounds like a system of democracy that gave more rights to one race would have the same impact.

Just like apartheid.

johanna
johanna
July 13, 2023 8:29 am

A medical insurer has withdrawn coverage for private practitioners involved in ‘gender affirming’ treatments for minors. TheirABC is predictably outraged:

One of Australia’s leading medical insurers has dumped cover for private practising doctors who initiate hormone treatment in adolescents with gender dysphoria, a decision that may put even more pressure on public hospital waiting lists.

MDA National said it will also no longer insure private doctors, such as general practitioners, from legal claims arising from the assessment of patients under 18 as suitable for gender transition treatments, such as cross-sex hormones and gender affirmation surgeries.

The Australian Professional Association for Trans Health (AusPATH), representing hundreds of health professionals who provide care to transgender people, is aware of some GPs who have already stopped gender-affirming care — a model that supports the child’s choices and can lead to medical interventions such as puberty blockers and hormone treatment.

AusPATH is concerned the MDA National decision will particularly affect trans youth living outside major cities, who struggle to access public gender services.

“It’s going to stop a number of children ever being able to access gender affirming care before they turn 18,” AusPATH president Professor Ashleigh Lin said.

On and on it goes, despite the insurer providing a rational and fiscally prudent explanation for the decision. If I were a medico, I’d be signing up with them rather than risk huge payouts funded by policyholders down the track.

But, TheirABC’s report is full of handwringing and quotes from their big Rolodex of pro-tranny ‘experts.’

Disgusting.

shatterzzz
July 13, 2023 8:37 am

No doubt the white taxpayer funded Dennis’s Federal Court challenge too.

Bloody oath! ..we did! .. “Uncle Dennis’s legal bid was backed by the Victorian Aboriginal Legal Service (VALS) and the Human Rights Law Centre (HRLC).”
Which I’m guessin’ both is funded from the $36 billion a year that you aren’t supposed to mention cos VOICE …….!

Miltonf
Miltonf
July 13, 2023 8:39 am

Yes the ABC sinks lower and lower. A despicable parasitic abomination.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 13, 2023 8:44 am

They said the reduced life expectancy Indigenous men in his age group faced was “a tragic consequence of two centuries of dispossession, marginalisation and destruction of social structures”.

Nothing to do with alcohol, poor diet, smoking or ‘looking after yourself?”

Roger
Roger
July 13, 2023 8:46 am

The Guardian is greatly exercised that “conservative Christian lobbyists” have been engaged by the “No” campaign. Including Catholics and Americans – gasp!

Apparently these lobbyists are setting up social media sites that purport to be news but are actually propaganda and thus misinformation.

Apparently it’s unfair…an “an asymmetric battle”, according to a QUT professor, in which “the yes and no campaigns [are] not on a level playing field.”

Laughable, yes, but just the sort of thing ACMA will soon be empowered to deal with as the prog-left attempts to curb speech it doesn’t like.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
July 13, 2023 8:53 am

Red Army Rising: Kursk and Beyond
The History of Battle: Maneuver, Part 15

BIG SERGE
12 JUL 2023

Interesting Historical review

How do you fight a war that you cannot win?

It’s an interesting question. Perhaps the question presupposes that the inevitability of defeat is obvious and well understood, but let us just presume – you know that victory is beyond reach, so how do you keep fighting? In our more level headed moments, we would say that the best thing to do would be to negotiate. After all, once the point of no return has been reached, continuing to fight only means wasting lives and probably angering the enemy more, bringing down more wrath on your head in the end.

Yet one of the quirks of history is that surrender is generally the object of shame, and is almost never applauded for its prudence. In the best examples, where a defeated state saw the handwriting on the wall and surrendered without dragging out the misery, the aura is one of cowardice, betrayal, and humiliation – think, for example, of France in 1940 or Germany in 1918.

In the German case, it was plainly obvious that Germany could not win the war, and yet surrender plunged the country into decades of shame, resentment, and hysteria over the supposed “betrayal” of the army.

Perhaps the lesson is simply that defeat is defeat, and there is no good way out. Negotiation and surrender will risk allegations of cowardice and betrayal and will subject you to the whims of the enemy, but neither does fighting to the last man seem to be a good solution. Maybe this is simply what it means to lose.

But in any case, suppose that you have chosen to fight. How do you do it? When victory is gone, how do you even frame your operational objectives? Do you openly state that your goals are to die and take as many of the enemy with you as you can? Do you aim to achieve some sufficient battlefield success so that the enemy will give you better terms? Or do you blind yourself to the overall strategic situation and give yourself over to pure action – turning warmaking into a mechanical activity devoid of strategic meaning?

Maybe the answer is all three, or at least some combination therein. In the case of Nazi Germany, all of these elements seemed to be at play. Some German commanders spoke of their fight as a “delaying action” – which sounds reasonable, but delaying what? Death? This sounds less nice, and implies that they sacrificed millions of men so that Hitler could avoid killing himself for a few extra months. Others detached themselves from the broader geostrategic disaster and became psychically embedded in their operations – blinding themselves to all but the enemy and their situation maps. Others were released from the psychological burden of fighting a lost war – tens of thousands of German officers would die as the Wehrmacht was chewed up at an ever increasing pace. A few channeled their energies inward and tried to kill Hitler, but most did not. For the most part, the German officer corps was determined to fight to the end. There would be no cracks, no surrender, no betrayal as there had been in 1918.

Germany tried the path of surrender in 1918 and found it distasteful. In 1943 and onward, they chose to fight a lost war with increasing savagery and in the face of an increasingly totalizing geostrategic catastrophe. They found that fighting a lost war is much harder and less romantic than it sounds, and instead of reliving the shame of Versailles they willingly dragged Germany into the most comprehensive military defeat in modern history.

Planning a Lost War

The Battle of Kursk has tremendous cachet and name-recognition among devotees of military history. The mere mention of the name Kursk is almost sure to invoke the classic, almost reverent response – the greatest tank battle in history! The idea of an enormous tank on tank clash is certainly exciting, made all the more cinematic by the presence, for the first time, of the iconic late-war German tank models like the Panzer V Panther and especially the Tiger, which remains one of the most famous and beloved articles of military hardware in history (yes, tanks are beloved – don’t ask).

If Kursk retains an undeniable element of excitement and climax today, in real time excitement was the farthest thing from the minds of the German officers who planned the operation.

Black Ball
Black Ball
July 13, 2023 8:53 am

She’s a real piece of work. Daily Telegraph:

The former girlfriend of Australian boxing star Harry Garside has been arrested and charged with domestic violence-related offences, just months after she accused the Olympian of assault in charges that were later dropped.

Ashley Ruscoe was arrested in Sydney’s east on Wednesday afternoon and taken to Waverley Police station where she was charged with common assault and stalking against Garside.

In a statement, NSW police confirmed the 35-year-old had been arrested in an investigation into an alleged domestic violence incident.

“Officers attached to Eastern Suburbs Police Area Command conducted an investigation into an alleged domestic violence incident at a Bellevue Hill home on Wednesday 1 March 2023,” the statement said.

“Following further inquiries, police attended the Bellevue Hill home about 4.45pm [on Wednesday] and arrested a 35-year-old woman.

“She was taken to Waverley Police Station and charged with common assault (DV) and stalk/intimidate intend cause fear physical etc harm (DV).”

Ms Ruscoe was granted conditional bail and set to appear at Downing Centre Local Court on July 19.

The charges laid on the boxing and martial arts instructor comes just months after she accused 25 year-old Garside of assault between 4pm and 7pm on March 1 at Bellevue Hill in Sydney’s eastern suburbs.

The Olympic medallist was arrested on arrival at Sydney Airport from Johannesburg on May 2 after placing second on reality show I’m A Celebrity … Get Me Out Of Here!

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
July 13, 2023 9:00 am

Andrew and Nicola Forrest to pursue separate lives

Peter Ker and Brad Thompson

Australia’s richest couple, Andrew and Nicola Forrest, have separated but insist the strategic direction of the mining giant they control, Fortescue Metals Group, will not be affected by their decision to pursue independent lives.

The Forrests confirmed the demise of their 31-year marriage after being approached by The Australian Financial Review about a transaction last month that moved more than $1.1 billion worth of Fortescue shares into a new company called Coaxial Ventures, which is wholly owned by Nicola Forrest.

That transfer followed February’s change to the ownership structure of the Forrests’ flagship private company, Tattarang Pty Ltd, where Andrew Forrest gave half of his Tattarang shareholding to Ms Forrest.

Tattarang holds more Fortescue shares than any other Forrest family entity and the combined effect of the Coaxial and Tattarang transactions has, based on the ownership structure of Forrest family companies, given Ms Forrest control of more Fortescue shares than Mr Forrest.

As recently as March 2020, when Ms Forrest was not a shareholder in Tattarang and Coaxial did not exist, more than 94 per cent of the family’s Fortescue shares were held by companies owned by Mr Forrest.

The Forrest camp played down the significance of Ms Forrest’s apparent ascension to become the biggest holder of Fortescue shares; the couple are considered “associates” under section 9 of the Corporations Act and the 50 million shares transferred to Coaxial are therefore considered part of Mr Forrest’s stake in Fortescue, even though he is not a shareholder or a director of Coaxial.

Asked about the flurry of transactions, Andrew and Nicola Forrest responded with a joint statement in which they confirmed their separation.

‘Our friendship remains strong’

But they stressed that they were aligned on the future direction of Fortescue, which is the eighth-biggest company on the ASX by market capitalisation, as well as their charity, Minderoo Foundation.

“After 31 years of marriage, we have made the decision to live apart. Our friendship and commitment to our family remains strong,” said the couple in a joint statement.

“There is no impact on the operations, control or direction of Fortescue, Minderoo or Tattarang.”

The couple have three adult children – Grace, Sophia and Sydney – and it is understood they have no plans to divorce.

The Financial Review Rich List ranked Andrew Forrest as the nation’s second-richest person, worth $33.29 billion in May, behind rival iron ore magnate Gina Rinehart.

Mr and Ms Forrest have spent long periods apart since 2020, when he started globe-trotting during the COVID-19 pandemic in pursuit of renewable energy projects for what has become Fortescue’s clean energy division, Fortescue Future Industries.

Mr Forrest was in London this week, meeting US president Joe Biden and King Charles; Ms Forrest is also understood to be overseas.

They will both continue to sit on the boards of Tattarang and Minderoo Foundation.

Ms Forrest is also heavily involved in the running of Tattarang-owned clothing company RM Williams, the Harvest Road agriculture business and its commercial property portfolio.

The transfer of 50 million Fortescue shares into Nicola Forrest’s wholly-owned company “Coaxial Ventures Pty Ltd” occurred in the same week last month that the Forrests announced plans to transfer 220 million Fortescue shares (worth more than $4.8 billion) from Tattarang to Minderoo Foundation.

The shake-up of the Forrest family’s wealth has extended to some private companies that do not hold Fortescue shares, such as little known “LLN Log Cabins Pty Ltd”, which became wholly owned by Nicola Forrest in February after previously being jointly owned by the couple.

‘Share the same vision’

“We will continue our shared mission to create and gift our wealth to tackle community and global challenges, as recently shown by last month’s donation of one-fifth of our Fortescue shareholding to Minderoo Foundation,” said Andrew and Nicola Forrest in Wednesday’s joint statement.

Their pledge to be unified on the future direction of Fortescue is understood to include the company’s strategic pivot into clean energy products such as hydrogen and batteries.

The assurance is designed to soothe investors who watched billionaire Hamish Douglass sell the majority of his shares in Magellan Financial Group barely 11 months after declaring he would not dump stock after his divorce from Alexandra Douglass.

Billionaire Judith Neilson has also sold hundreds of millions of dollars worth of Platinum Asset Management shares since divorcing Platinum founder Kerr Neilson in 2015.

It is understood Tattarang – which holds almost 65 per cent of the Forrest family’s Fortescue shares – will vote in accordance with decisions of the Fortescue board in future.

Andrew and Nicola Forrest have equal shareholdings in Tattarang and he remains executive chairman of Fortescue.

A spokeswoman for Fortescue sought to assure investors there would be no change of course at the company.

“There is no change to the ownership structure, control or direction of Fortescue,” she said.

“Andrew Forrest and Nicola Forrest share the same vision for Fortescue to become the world’s leading green energy and green metals company leading global heavy industry to tackle climate change.“

This year shapes as a pivotal one for Fortescue as it attempts to become a clean energy superpower; the company has completed the construction of a hydrogen electrolyser factory in Queensland and will take a final investment decision on “at least” five hydrogen or ammonia projects before Christmas.

Coaxial will hold the 50 million Fortescue shares on behalf of a trust called the “Coaxial Ventures Discretionary Trust”.

While most Forrest family companies have a registered address at Perth’s old Swan Brewery site that houses Minderoo and Tattarang, Coaxial’s registered address is a luxury home in Sydney’s exclusive Point Piper.

Born as Nicola Maurice, the philanthropist grew up on a farm between Mudgee and Dubbo in NSW where the family raised sheep, Hereford cattle and grew wheat.

She told the Financial Review in 2020 that she had “a great childhood”.

“My horse was my best friend and we all worked on the farm. I think that is one of the things about country life, everyone pitches in. It grounds you in reality. You see the hardships in the life cycle. It is confronting but somehow you accept it,” she had said.

She met Andrew Forrest at a housewarming party in 1988 and the pair made plans to be married in January 1991.

But the wedding was postponed when he got what she has since publicly described as “cold feet”.

Her response was to go travelling in Europe, and he subsequently followed her there and proposed marriage for a second time.

Fortescue shares closed on Wednesday at $22.19. The stock is up 16 per cent since May 25.

Dunny Brush
Dunny Brush
July 13, 2023 9:03 am

Noel Pearson and his hat are now claiming his abuse of reluctant yes voters as red necks etc was all an unfortunate misunderstanding – these things happen – and we’ll all be holding hands going forward. Things must be dire.

Johnny Rotten
July 13, 2023 9:07 am

If presidents can’t do it to their wives, they do it to their country.

– Mel Brooks

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 13, 2023 9:11 am

Things must be dire.

The “Yes ” vote is dropping faster then a whore’s drawers on paynight…

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 13, 2023 9:18 am

Pamela
56 minutes ago
The YesGroup are a divided group with Albo and Burney telling Australians that it is an Advisory and Modest voice while Thomas Mayo, Teela Reid, Langton, Davies, Calma, Pearson and others tell Australianss that it is first the voice, then treaty, reparations, sovereignty, truth telling, pay the rent, tear down institutions and get rid of Australia Day. NO to the voice

duncanm
duncanm
July 13, 2023 9:18 am

Of course the new ACMA bill has the following clause:

7 Misinformation and disinformation 4
(1) For the purposes of this Schedule, dissemination of content using a 5 digital service is misinformation on the digital service if: 6

(b) the content is not excluded content

what, prey tell, is ‘excluded content’. Well, quell surprise!

excluded content for misinformation purposes means any of the following:

(e) content that is authorised by:
(i) the Commonwealth; or
(ii) a State; or
(iii) a Territory; or
(iv) a local government.

Crossie
Crossie
July 13, 2023 9:19 am

She met Andrew Forrest at a housewarming party in 1988 and the pair made plans to be married in January 1991.

But the wedding was postponed when he got what she has since publicly described as “cold feet”.

Her response was to go travelling in Europe, and he subsequently followed her there and proposed marriage for a second time.

His cold feet should have been a warning to her.

Crossie
Crossie
July 13, 2023 9:20 am

Johnny Rotten
Jul 13, 2023 9:07 AM
If presidents can’t do it to their wives, they do it to their country.

– Mel Brooks

I hope he was talking about Kennedy and Clinton.

duncanm
duncanm
July 13, 2023 9:27 am

More content which will be excluded from being classed as min/dis-information

c) content produced by or for an educational institution accredited by any of the following:
(i) the Commonwealth;
(ii) a State;
(iii) a Territory;
(iv) a body recognised by the Commonwealth, a State or a Territory as an accreditor of educational institutions;
(d) content produced by or for an educational institution accredited:
(i) by a foreign government or a body recognised by a foreign government as an accreditor of educational institutions; and
(ii) to substantially equivalent standards as a comparable Australian educational institution;

So only information produced by non-government organisations and peons will be prosecuted.

Noice.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 13, 2023 9:30 am

Calli, I went for the last horse ride I ever intend to do after I went riding on an Icelandic horse. Their unusual gait is called a ‘toit’. It is very difficult to get used to, and mostly I suspect my horse riding days are over after that. I didn’t last the distance of the wilderness ride and had to turn around and go back. They are certainly cute little animals, with eyelashes to die for and a very inquisitive set of horsey facial expressions.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 13, 2023 9:31 am

duncanm

what, prey tell, is ‘excluded content’. Well, quell surprise!

excluded content for misinformation purposes means any of the following:

(e) content that is authorised by:
(i) the Commonwealth; or
(ii) a State; or
(iii) a Territory; or
(iv) a local government.

Joseph Goebbels smiles. His time in the sun has come.

Roger
Roger
July 13, 2023 9:32 am

Of course the new ACMA bill has the following clause:

The new ACMA Bill makes Jacinda Ardern look like a moderate.

johanna
johanna
July 13, 2023 9:33 am

Crossie, in fairness they were married for more than 30 years. I hardly think that events before they got married are a predictor of failure more than 30 years later.

Mind you, if they do divorce, he is going to plummet down the Rich List rankings. I’m trying to hold back the tears. 🙂

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
July 13, 2023 9:34 am

Apparently it’s unfair…an “an asymmetric battle”, according to a QUT professor, in which “the yes and no campaigns [are] not on a level playing field.”

Since the ‘No’ campaign was up against the government, the ABC, and all the corporates pushing their ‘Yes’ message, trying to make it look either like there is overwhelming support or that ‘No’ voters are various species of sub-humans, it has been definitely been asymmetrical.

The only thing the ‘No’ campaign has had has been the verbal support of the federal opposition, and the arguments they make person to person.

Oh, and the unintended assistance offered by the ‘Yes’ team’s spokespersons who have, each time they open their mouths to put the ‘Yes’ case, have revealed more of just how bad this will be and of how little they understand Australians, and thus bolstered the ‘No’ case.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
July 13, 2023 9:38 am

Targets and planing have been the catalyst for the swan dive off the supply cliff but the engineers and grid operators are truly worried that nothing can be built in time to stop blackouts.

In 12 or 18 months, when the blame game starts in earnest and arse-covering and the search for a political culprit becomes forensic, Australia is going to discover that ‘engineers and grid operators’ were explaining this outcome to government 15 years ago.

When it became apparent in Rudd 1.0 that the roll out of HELE power stations like Kogan Creek was going no further – and the alternative made no engineering or economic sense – engineers and grid operators made very clear that that the exact forkup Australia is now experiencing would happen. It wasn’t a very difficult matter to explain. But, in the Halls of the Good and Great, dull technical details, delivered by tedious technocrats in ill-fitting clothes, are easily run down by herds of visionary unicorns.

Australia passed the point of no return 4 or 5 years ago. Open cycle gas-fired generation will prop up the retail market for a few years longer (at eye-watering cost and inefficiency) – but large industrial loads will be shed on a regular basis from summer 2024/25.

The one thing that is certain is that the Arts/Law kiddies at AEMO AMEC AER etc will push career-limiting blame onto 10 years of Coalition Government.

Turnbull will grimace greenly and Morrison will be safely tucked away in his cell.

But, unfortunately, little viper Bowen will be empowered with a Get Out of Gaol card in Labor’s second term.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 13, 2023 9:38 am

If we had our time again, I’d go all-out to have the ability for her mum to be able to drop everything when it came to the crunch.

Wally Dali, yes, I agree you need to have the time to devote to these kids. I short-changed my academic job to be able to care properly for all of mine, including the autistic-tending one. Even then, it was really too much to hold down my job, complete my MPH thesis, and care for four kids, two of them toddlers and two in early adolescence, and also support a very ambitious and high-achiever husband running for Federal Labor in those Hawke years. We did share the extra-curricular stuff – he coached both of my boys sporting teams, and I did the music and ballet class runs and a lot of the clapping at school events. Looking back though, it was a pressure cooker. I guess we’d all do things differently about some things if we had our time over – but we don’t.

Glad to hear your daughter is holding it together at school. That really matters.

Johnny Rotten
July 13, 2023 9:40 am

From Jo Nova Blog –

Nobel Laureate: “Climate science has metastasized”
Thade Andy, RIPT:

“Dr. John F. Clauser, joint recipient of the 2022 Nobel Prize in Physics, has criticized the climate emergency narrative calling it “a dangerous corruption of science that threatens the world’s economy and the well-being of billions of people.”

Along with two others, Dr Clauser, an experimental and theoretical physicist, was the 2022 recipient of the Nobel Prize for work done in the 1970s that showed “quantum entanglement” allowed particles such as photons, effectively, to interact at great distances, seemingly to require communication exceeding the speed of light.

The CO2 Coalition issued a statement when Clauser joined their board of directors in May.

His studies of the science of climate provide strong evidence that there is no climate crisis and that increasing CO2 concentrations will benefit the world,” said Dr. William Happer, chair of the board of the CO2 Coalition.

According to Dr. Clauser, …” In turn, the pseudoscience has become a scapegoat for a wide variety of other unrelated ills. It has been promoted and extended by similarly misguided business marketing agents, politicians, journalists, government agencies, and environmentalists. In my opinion, there is no real climate crisis. There is, however, a very real problem with providing a decent standard of living to the world’s large population and an associated energy crisis. The latter is being unnecessarily exacerbated by what, in my opinion, is incorrect climate science.”

— CO2Coalition

Johnny Rotten
July 13, 2023 9:43 am

Russia is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.

– Winston Churchill

Zatara
Zatara
July 13, 2023 9:44 am

Apparently it’s unfair…an “an asymmetric battle”

Defined as ‘They are using our own tactics against us, and winning’.

sfw
sfw
July 13, 2023 9:46 am

Nothing “Is to die for”, except your family, friends, possibly strangers in trouble and your country.

Roger
Roger
July 13, 2023 9:47 am

Faustus, that deserves its own thread.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
July 13, 2023 9:50 am

Hmm. Just saw .Tucker with Andrew Tate. Worth the time and touched on a number of topics, none of which are human trafficking, surprisingly, given the Tate hype (about which I know little). Liked the end where they joked about “the way to stop a heatwave is to break the thermometer” as commentary on freedom of speech – recommend watching.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 13, 2023 9:52 am

Dr. Faustus, you are absolutely correct in your analysis above. The blame will never be Labor’s to suffer. One can only hope that enough people see through the curtain that will drop over these Labor years while the Coalition years are demonised.

Scottie (Peace on Our Time) Morrison rushing home breathlessly from the Glasgow aircraft and motorcade Festival of Hypocrisy waving his sycophantic Net Zero paper in his globally-warmed little hand will be the eternal scapegoat.

These Net Zero Years, like the Covid Years, will be very glossed in popular memory by those same people who barked most loudly in favour of them.

I am telling myself it will be just like the end of the world wars of the twentieth century. People will simply want to forget the waste, the carnage, the mistakes and get on with rebuilding new HILE coal-fired power stations to supplement the nuclear module power urgently purchased to get us out of the hole.

JC
JC
July 13, 2023 9:53 am

Crossie

Why are you assuming it’s Twiggy pulling up stumps? Could have been her as he appears to be an insufferable preening douche.

Black Ball
Black Ball
July 13, 2023 9:55 am

Andrew Bolt on something that was discussed yesterday on the old fred:

We must thank Net Zero Australia for being so honest in its report on what it will take to do what the Albanese government insists we must to stop global warming.

Read this and weep.

I’m not talking here about a report by people, like me, who think global warming is a massively exaggerated problem and that attempts to “stop” it are both useless and a grotesque waste of billions of dollars.

No, Net Zero Australia is a massive private project by true global-warming believers – headed by Professor Robin Batterham, backed by universities and helped by activists such as Tim Flannery’s Climate Council, the Australian Conservation Foundation and billionaire green entrepreneur Andrew Forrest.

The organisation actually backs net zero, but what’s great about its report is that it tells you what the government won’t. That is, the government’s own plan to cut our emissions to net zero by 2050 is bonkers. Ruinous.

Not that this report says that, of course. All it does is very honestly explain exactly what Australia must do to get to Labor’s target.

Are you really ready for this?

This report and its earlier modelling says we must find another $1.5 trillion in investments in just the next seven years to be on track to cut our net emissions to zero.

By 2060, we’ll need $9 trillion, or six times what the entire Australian economy produces in a year.

And we’ll have to pay for it despite losing two of our three biggest-earning exports – coal and gas. They must go, says the report.

We’ll also have to find, train and pay 800,000 experts to do this switch to green power – eight times more than we have now.

We’ll also have to carpet an area about three times the size of Tasmania or more with wind and solar farms, judging by the NZA’s maps. Farmers must cut their emissions to zero or even “negative zero”, making food more expensive.

You’re probably shouting “Enough already!” But it isn’t, says the report.

The government will also have to make people switch from gas appliances to electric and from petrol cars to electric – at a cost we can only imagine.

As well, we will have to build many massive batteries – with more storage than any we have today – for when the wind doesn’t blow and sun doesn’t shine. But one of the most stunning things about this report is the faith it puts in “let’s pretend”. As in, let’s pretend we can make this gigantic switch by using largely untested or underdeveloped technologies – and they’ll work brilliantly.

For instance, the report says we’ll need many more schemes to catch and bury carbon dioxide emissions, when the biggest we have – at the Gorgon gas field – has struggled for years to work as it should.

It says we’ll have to use and export lots of hydrogen, when the problems with using this highly volatile and expensive gas at scale have not been solved.

It says we’ll need more firming mechanisms to stabilise an electricity system running on unreliable wind and solar, when experts warn this is a massive technical challenge.

It says we’ll probably need lots of offshore wind farms, yet there is a worldwide shortage of the machines and experts needed to build them.

In fact, prices for almost everything green have soared, including for offshore farms, for the new web of transmission lines linking all the new solar and wind farms; and for batteries for electric cars.

And if you think I sound too pessimistic and carping about these bright new technologies, know that I have watched the last lot of green schemes crash or cost a lot more than promised.

Consider this: the geothermal plant backed by the Rudd government collapsed; wave generators sank; greener electricity costs more, not less; and Malcolm Turnbull’s Snowy 2.0, meant to be our biggest storage of green power, costs 10 times more than promised, with doubts now it will ever be finished.

Still, thanks to Net Zero Australia for at least pointing out what it will take to do what the Albanese government wants – spending money we’ll never afford, finding hundreds of thousands of experts we won’t have, destroying exports we live off, and relying on new technologies we don’t know will work.

The final, colossal joke? For all this pain, the gain to the climate will be zero. We’re just too small to make any difference that anyone can measure.

But Labor is too crazed with global warming to see it’s leading us to an utterly pointless disaster. Perhaps voters now will.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
July 13, 2023 9:55 am

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Jul 13, 2023 8:44 AM

They said the reduced life expectancy Indigenous men in his age group faced was “a tragic consequence of two centuries of dispossession, marginalisation and destruction of social structures”.

Nothing to do with alcohol, poor diet, smoking or ‘looking after yourself?”

Click into Goolag and you will find millions of articles and papers by the medical profession detailing the health issues associated with alcohol abuse, drugs, poor diet, etc.

Has there been a single credible document showing the lethal effects of ‘dispossession’ and ‘colonialism’ etc?

If (as they surely must) they wish to make the claim that colonialism etc cause the health issues then that should be demonstrable as well. How does ancestral dispossession (from something that none of you yourself, your parents, or your grandparents never possessed) affect your psychology?

It is pretty certain that the ancestors of each one of us here, on several occasions, were dispossessed – and this was where possession meant something, such as house, farmland, the few coins to their name, and so on, yet somehow they survived.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
July 13, 2023 9:56 am

Nobel Laureate: “Climate science has metastasized”

Certainly has.
History-fitted models and computer games took over from actual science around 2001.

I’m old enough to remember the whining from the grant-seekers about the malign influence of Big Oil and Big Coal.
Happy days.

Roger
Roger
July 13, 2023 9:57 am

Dr. Faustus, you are absolutely correct in your analysis above. The blame will never be Labor’s to suffer.

I’m not sure about that…Mr 32% is not teflon coated.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 13, 2023 9:58 am

What amazes me even today, after all the internet fuss and explanations re CO2, is the number of people who still think of CO2 as particulate pollution and favor its removal because of concerns for air quality.

This is deception on a grand scale by the elites. Starting with Julia’s black balloons depictions sent to every household in Australia.

Cassie of Sydney
July 13, 2023 9:58 am

“Ashley Ruscoe was arrested in Sydney’s east on Wednesday afternoon and taken to Waverley Police station where she was charged with common assault and stalking against Garside.”

Yeah, what was that rubbish, “believe all woman”. Such codswallop! But the problem is that we now have police and DPPs ideologically compromised by this bullshit. This poisonous codswallop has invaded the very heart of our justice system. Harry Garside was falsely accused by this piece of garbage, the police acted on her false accusations rather than being more prudent and circumspect. Not having done any homework, police rushed to the airport to charge Garside upon his arrival after a long flight from South Africa, only for those charges to be dropped a day later when footage emerged that it wasn’t Garside who was the perpetrator of the assault, it was the female.

But in the meantime, let’s falsely accuse men, let’s damage them irreparably.

Having said all of this, I think men should be more careful about the type of women they choose to associate with.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 13, 2023 9:59 am

Deception Number 2 coming up surely with The Voice.

Let’s hope word of mouth can act as it did in the Soviet days.
Otherwise, we’re stuffed.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
July 13, 2023 10:00 am

Has there been a single credible document showing the lethal effects of ‘dispossession’ and ‘colonialism’ etc?

If (as they surely must) they wish to make the claim that colonialism etc cause the health issues then that should be demonstrable as well.

Young and naive.
The process to get there involves Truth Telling. After that, reparations and self-determination is a simple administrative function.

Uncle Luigi is as one with that.

amortiser
amortiser
July 13, 2023 10:01 am

As one MIT researcher, Dr. Stephanie Seneff has already predicted,
if the current trendcontinues unabated and if nothing is done to shift
this momentum in a positive direction today, the incidence of Autism
would be 1 in 2 children in the U.S by 2025.

That was written in 2015. How’s that working out?

About as well as predictions of anthropogenic climate change advocates.

Roger
Roger
July 13, 2023 10:05 am

As former VIC ALP campaign director and current lobbyist Kon Samaras recently warned when criticising the Voice overreach, federal Labor electorates are going to be volatile come the next election.

Albanese is the antitype of John Howard; his Australia is tense and uncomfortable.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 13, 2023 10:09 am

Not having done any homework, police rushed to the airport to charge Garside upon his arrival after a long flight from South Africa, only for those charges to be dropped a day later when footage emerged that it wasn’t Garside who was the perpetrator of the assault, it was the female.

Yes. As the only witness to a similar event involving my son and his schizophrenic partner at that time, how I wish a camera had been present to show the reality of what happened when in a sudden unexpected rage she attacked him with her fists (he offering no resistance as we were gobsmacked), grabbed their baby, raced to a nearby garage from the motel where the three of us were staying in Perth, hopped into a stranger’s car screaming and asked to be taken to a women’s refuge, where her story was set in concrete – until it was shown by numerous later admissions to locked psych wards, to be full of defensive untruths as she feared (justifiably) that she might lose custody of the child. My poor autistic son went through hell on wheels over all of that. He ended up with custody eventually. With my help, we brought up the child, kept good contact for the child with his mother (a sad case who rings me three times weekly now for support in her illness), and this grandson of mine is a wonderful and stable young adult.

Don’t ever believe all women.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 13, 2023 10:10 am

3m ago
Traditional owners in WA say Yes to voice
Paige Taylor
Paige Taylor

Traditional owners of the Pilbara, Murchison, midwest and Gascoyne regions of Western Australia have supported the voice at an annual bush meeting south of the iron ore hub of Port Hedland.

The meeting at Yule River draws Yamatji people from as far south as Geraldton and Aboriginal people from a range of cultural and language groups across the mid north of the state – the Gascoyne, midwest, Murchison and Pilbara. The event in a dry river bed is hosted by the Yamatji Marlpa Aboriginal Corporation, the Native Title body for those regions.

Traditional owners at the meeting showed their support for the voice with a show of hands on Wednesday. The group of about 250 men and women had earlier listened to Thomas Mayo, an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander man from Darwin and a Yes campaigner.

“Following his presentation and community discussion the meeting chair called for a show of hands in support of the Voice to Parliament,” according to a statement from Yamatji Marlpa.

“An overwhelming majority raised their hands, with others wanting further information.”

Indigenous Australians minister Linda Burney is due to arrive at Yule River today.

I wonder if Mayo’s presentation mentioned “truth”, treaty, and reparations?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 13, 2023 10:10 am

lotocoti

Jul 13, 2023 8:03 AM

It’s muck-raking when The Sun does it.
Brendan O’Neill on this week’s episode of the BBC’s long running Which Nonce.

A good read.
My investigative journalism is your muckraking.

johanna
johanna
July 13, 2023 10:14 am

Has there been a single credible document showing the lethal effects of ‘dispossession’ and ‘colonialism’ etc?

If (as they surely must) they wish to make the claim that colonialism etc cause the health issues then that should be demonstrable as well.

The miserable health statistics mirror those of other indigenous populations who now live beside (not in) the modern world, such as Native Americans, Inuit and Maori. It is the same everywhere – those who join the mainstream culture have roughly the same outcomes as their peers in the mainstream, and those who cling to the old culture but with overlays of free money and modern temptations do very badly indeed.

So, guess which option is favoured by activists from Group 1 in terms of Group 2?

If anyone is responsible for so-called ‘genocide’, it is the activists in Group 1.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 13, 2023 10:17 am

Dover, is it possible to have the ‘older’ and ‘newer’ comments tags place at the top as well as at the bottom of the page? When I come in here I often scroll back, and it would be more convenient to be able to scroll back further once at the top of the page rather than scroll to the bottom. No biggie if it is not possible.

Black Ball
Black Ball
July 13, 2023 10:19 am

Courier Mail:

An 11-year-old schoolboy has faced Queensland courts five times in the first six months of this year following multiple arrests for dozens of violent and dangerous crimes.

The student’s shocking crime spree ended on Tuesday when a judge found he posed too great a danger to community after his latest spate of offending which included an alleged armed robbery and a sexual assault.

The boy is facing 23 fresh charges all allegedly committed this year when he was just 10 years old and while subject to probation orders for offences including an armed robbery with violence, dangerous operation of a vehicle and a spate of car thefts.

The Cairns boy applied for bail before Judge Tony Moynihan KC in the Children’s Court of Queensland on Tuesday after spending 18 days in custody.

The Crown opposed his release on bail, detailing a disturbing rap sheet for which he had already faced court five times this year, resulting in the imposition of three probation orders and two good behaviour orders.

In January he was sentenced to three months’ probation in a Cairns court on charges including the unlawful use of motor vehicles and a dangerous driving charge committed in September and October.

Six weeks later on March 1, he was handed a four month probation order for offences committed only days after his first court sentence, including common assault, endangering the safe use of a motor vehicle, enter premises and unlawful use of a motor vehicle.

The next month on April 21, his March probation order was extended by two months and he was sentenced to a good behaviour bond for more offending including car thefts, stealing and break and enter.

Weeks later on May 11, he was sentenced to a good behaviour bond for an armed robbery in company involving the use of actual violence committed in October 2022.

Last month on June 15, he was sentenced to another probation order of four months for offences including unlawful use of a motor vehicle and a home break in committed two days earlier.

He was also dealt with for breaching his bail on three occasions and stealing.

Despite the five court appearances, the child has allegedly continued to offend, racking up another 23 charges.

The court heard one of the offences breaches the probation order imposed in January and all 23 charges breach the March order.

“In short the applicant has continued to breach his bail conditions, enter or attempt to enter dwellings or vehicles, unlawfully use motor vehicles as a driver and passenger, and steal property,” Judge Moynihan said of the offending subject to the bail application.

“Importantly, the alleged offending also involved very serious offence of violence on a random member of community going about their business in a public place.

“That was also aggravated by the fact it was committed in company and it involved a serious sexual assault.”

The court heard the child intended to plead guilty to 21 of the 23 fresh offences later this month but the two more serious charges of armed robbery and sexual assault needed to be dealt with in a higher court.

“The prosecution concede that given the applicant’s age and criminal history an order for detention is unlikely,” the judge said.

Legal Aid solicitor Danielle Hurda said the child had expressed a “willingness to comply” with bail conditions, and asked the court to take into account his “tender age” and that this was his first time in custody.

Ms Hurda accepted the boy had continued to engage in criminal activity while on bail and said his offending could “fairly be described as escalating”.

She said by the next mention of his case, he will have spent 41 days in custody and that it was likely he would receive a non-custodial sentence.

Judge Moynihan noted the boy was of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island descent and ordinarily resided with his grandparents and his siblings in north Queensland.

“The applicant is enrolled at school and he is not diagnosed with any mental health issues,” he said.

The judge acknowledged the undesirable circumstances of a child being held in detention “disconnected from his community, culture, family, and kin”.

In refusing bail, he took into account the boy’s circumstances, criminal history, and allegations he had perpetrated “violent acts in public places of on random members of the community whilst in company”.

He also considered that “the alleged offending involves such a young boy unlawfully using a motor vehicle in circumstances where he does not have the maturity or training to safely operate a vehicle or be in the vehicle with other juveniles”.

“ … that the applicant has persisted in committing offences after being placed on court orders and on bail drives me to conclude that if the applicant is released there is an unacceptable risk that the applicant will commit an offence that endangers the safety of the community or endangers the safety or welfare of a person,” Judge Moynihan said.

Quite incredible.

Roger
Roger
July 13, 2023 10:20 am

If anyone is responsible for so-called ‘genocide’, it is the activists in Group 1.

To borrow from the Russian poet Yevtushenko, they’re dining out on a graveyard.

johanna
johanna
July 13, 2023 10:20 am

Shy Ted just put this up at Adam’s.

🙂 🙂 🙂

Black Ball
Black Ball
July 13, 2023 10:21 am

Has there been a single credible document showing the lethal effects of ‘dispossession’ and ‘colonialism’ etc?

Short answer, no.

Black Ball
Black Ball
July 13, 2023 10:26 am

The reaction to the Courier Mail article:

The state government has called out parents of juvenile offenders to take more responsibility after claiming it’s doing “all it can” to prevent youth crime.

It comes after an 11-year-old boy was released into the community five times since January this year after clocking up a wrap sheet of 23 offences, before allegedly sexually assaulting a stranger while on probation.

The child, who lives with his grandmother, was recently remanded in custody but is likely to be released back into the community when he is sentenced.

Opposition spokesman for Police Dale Last said the case illustrated “everything that is wrong” with the youth justice system.

“It demonstrates the danger that members of the community face at the hands of these young offenders, and it demonstrates a young person whose life should not have taken the path it has,” Mr Last said.

“Obviously, early intervention and rehabilitation programs have failed and, despite calls from the community and the LNP, this Labor government still won’t admit that these systems have failed under their watch.

“This young offender has left a trail of victims in his wake, some that will bear the scars of his actions for the rest of their lives.”

The number of juveniles classified as the most serious repeat offenders in Queensland has almost doubled since 2020, with 458 juveniles on the list as of April 30 this year.

Police sources said more onus needed to be put on government agencies responsible for supporting children and their families.

“Police can’t parent these kids. We aren’t in a position to bring them up,” the source said.

“Violence in all age groups is becoming more obvious, which is what is concerning.”

A Queensland Government spokeswoman said it would be “inappropriate” to comment on the boy’s specific court matter, but said parents needed to pull their weight.

“We have given the courts the tools to deal with young people who offend, including serious repeat offenders, and we make no apology for this,” the spokeswoman said.

“While government is doing all it can, parents must also take responsibility.

“Our thoughts are always with the victims of crime.”

The spokeswoman said the government was also making investments in police and early intervention.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
July 13, 2023 10:28 am

The process to get there involves Truth Telling.

And as I have already noted – these are the people who do not believe in objective truth, saying that among all competing narratives none can be privileged above another.

That is what they say. And they do say it when dismissing a point they disagree with, but when it comes to a point that serves their agenda they insist it be treated in the way we traditionally treat facts.

bons
bons
July 13, 2023 10:28 am

I have been unable to find any informative description of what led to the collapse of the Tasmanian SFL north west branch.
Do any Cats gave a useful reference?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 13, 2023 10:28 am

what, prey tell, is ‘excluded content’. Well, quell surprise!

excluded content for misinformation purposes means any of the following:

(e) content that is authorised by:
(i) the Commonwealth; or
(ii) a State; or
(iii) a Territory; or
(iv) a local government.

So, if the No campaign can find a local council in WA to approve their message, it will be ‘excluded content’?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 13, 2023 10:32 am

I think autism spectrum has always existed, but it was very masked in earlier times, treated as simply individual difference, perhaps a ‘moral’ issue, or ‘bad family blood’ etc, and certainly women as the primary carers were easy targets for blame: too soft, too unloving, too busy elsewhere, too involved, or whatever. Regardless of that, earlier times did provide far more opportunities for integration of mildly autistic people into social and economic life, especially in employment. Communities too were more integrated and nuclear families less alone, spinster aunts at the ready to help and kin networks also in play. In my opinion the major change in recognition of autism comes from family fracturing, including more women working, and job credentialism, requiring the jumping of hoops. And also there is the problem of the medicalisation that has gone on around the whole syndrome now, you can’t get help without a diagnosis and medical intervention, whereas in the past only the severely autistic came under medical surveillance.

I think the solution lies in community groups who can offer support, and specifically tailored programs of job and income support, not the expensive NDIS. Families can help, they do already, many (like us) have poured money into keeping their autistic kids afloat.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 13, 2023 10:37 am

“disconnected from his community, culture, family, and kin”.

Pity that that community, culture, family and kin never taught him how to behave himself in the first place.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 13, 2023 10:39 am

“This young offender has left a trail of victims in his wake, some that will bear the scars of his actions for the rest of their lives.”

So he lives with his grandmother. No males around to take him by the scruff of the neck and tell him to shape up? I’ll bet she’s fed up to the back teeth with him, loves him but doesn’t know how to control his behaviour. Doesn’t want to see him on the streets.

I’ll bet what she’s hoping for is someone to take him, keep him in at night, make him go to school, and feed and clothe him and keep him away from money. I’ll bet she says he needs discipline. Kids like this need to be put into a group home or hostel with severe restrictions on their activities until they can agree to behave if returned to grandma’s.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 13, 2023 10:40 am

Pour encourager les autres.

Johnny Rotten
July 13, 2023 10:43 am

What a Greedy Green Hypocrite.

Greens MP Mehreen Faruqi to bulldoze native trees in $1.5 million subdivision of Port Macquarie property

https://www.news.com.au/finance/real-estate/renting/greens-mp-mehreen-faruqi-to-bulldoze-native-trees-in-15-million-subdivision-of-port-macquarie-property/news-story/73865314816eeaccb7f270816c6e7c7d

Protecting the Environment? Yeah, right.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 13, 2023 10:44 am

Cassie earlier.

Having said all of this, I think men should be more careful about the type of women they choose to associate with.

It would be great if Harry Garside released a statement saying “it was a mistake to associate with a much, much older woman”.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 13, 2023 10:44 am

Self-help support groups are ideal for marginally autistic people. But you have to encourage them into these when they are young. (my son, older, might resist)

Like AA. These support systems do work. Just encourage good ones to thrive.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
July 13, 2023 10:45 am

As former VIC ALP campaign director and current lobbyist Kon Samaras recently warned when criticising the Voice overreach, federal Labor electorates are going to be volatile come the next election.

I expect this to be the case. But probably not solely because of the Voice, which almost nobody appears to understand.

Inflation.
To everyone in the Canbra bubble – insulated by salary, expenses and a serviced vehicle – aggregate CPI inflation of 6.6% is manageable and an improvement from 8.4% in December 2022 that shows their economic mastery.

That’s the trouble with economic aggregates.

Increases in the price of food makes up 17% of the estimated aggregate CPI increase (only 10% after you take out restaurant meals, fast food, and snacks/confectionery). However, in real households, groceries make up far more than 10% of expenditure – and prices of essentials such as bread, meat, vegetables and dairy have increased by over 20%.

Similarly; rent makes up more than 5% of household budgets amongst renters, power makes up more than 3% of budgets amongst renters and owners – and these costs have increased by well over 20%.

Out there in stinky, ungrateful, voterland people are bleeding out significantly more than 6.6%.

Arguably they will not be impressed by government obsessions with OPM-funded ephemera.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 13, 2023 10:46 am

Dr F before, bemoaning that electricity grid engineers have been ignored by the policy makers.
These grid engineers aren’t … you know … they’re not … middle aged white guys by any chance?

JC
JC
July 13, 2023 10:47 am

I hopeful we end up with “libertarians are idiots” and we “make Nafink” today, laced with a little Debbie Downer. Always fun.

H B Bear
H B Bear
July 13, 2023 10:47 am

lotocoti at 8:03

It’s muck-raking when The Sun does it.

Along with tits, tabloids are great when it comes to puncturing hypocrisy.

Roger
Roger
July 13, 2023 10:56 am

I expect this to be the case. But probably not solely because of the Voice, which almost nobody appears to understand.

That was actually Samaras’s point.

The Voice, which people might otherwise vaguely support on the feels, presents an opportunity for those who are hurting financially to lodge a protest with the government over cost of living. The protest will follow through to the general election in 2025, by which time things will be much worse.

Albanese appears to be oblivious to this

johanna
johanna
July 13, 2023 11:02 am

Increases in the price of food makes up 17% of the estimated aggregate CPI increase (only 10% after you take out restaurant meals, fast food, and snacks/confectionery). However, in real households, groceries make up far more than 10% of expenditure – and prices of essentials such as bread, meat, vegetables and dairy have increased by over 20%.

The focus on food when talking about grocery prices is misleading. A substantial chunk of grocery expenditure is on non-food items – cleaning products, paper products, personal hygiene products and so on. ‘Churnalists’ use the word ‘food’ as a trigger because it hints at starvation, which in reality nobody in this country ever has to face. Free food is the easiest kind of help to get.

Cassie of Sydney
July 13, 2023 11:03 am

“It would be great if Harry Garside released a statement saying “it was a mistake to associate with a much, much older woman”.”

Maybe. But it isn’t the age per se, I know a couple where the wife is a decade older than her husband. But with the Garside travesty, I suspect this female has a history of irrational and unhinged behaviour, and until now she’s gotten away with hit.

I don’t know what the answer is. I think males like Harry Garside are completely naked and vulnerable to false accusations from despicable females, and nobody seems to care because the zeitgeist is “believe all women”, until that is, it’s discovered that there’s actual footage where it is the woman assaulting Garside, not the other way around. This is the joke, except it isn’t funny. You have to wonder what would have happened to Garside if there had not been any footage of the physical assault. Young Harry Garside was next in line to have his world destroyed, all because an unhinged female had falsely accused this young man and the DPP and police are expected to “believe the woman”. It’s actually disgraceful. Young Harry Garside is lucky that there was footage, many men don’t have that back up, with the result that their lives are ruined.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 13, 2023 11:04 am

Albanese appears to be oblivious to this

Politicians spend 93.1% of their waking hours trying to wedge their opponents.
Elbow has achieved that rate political feat … the auto-wedge.
And seems blissfully unaware what he has done to himself.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
July 13, 2023 11:07 am

Thank you Johanna @10:20 (and ShyTed).

That’s been copied/pasted and given a good run – ha!

johanna
johanna
July 13, 2023 11:07 am

Oh, and I’m enjoying politicians highlighting their own failures while spruiking The Voice.

Every time I read one of those stories from politicians about how terrible things are, the first question in my mind is – well, why don’t you do something about it? What’s stopping you?

I’m sure plenty of others have the same reaction.

Talk about own goals!

Zatara
Zatara
July 13, 2023 11:09 am

Definition of ‘Probation’ – A criminal sentence consisting of a term of imprisonment that is suspended provided certain terms and conditions are met.

It’s supposed to be an either/or. Fail the probation = imprisonment.

Cases where the miscreant fails multiple probations yet is still on the street to commit more crimes is beyond logic (and the law one would think).

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 13, 2023 11:11 am

Rate = rare.

Roger
Roger
July 13, 2023 11:12 am

Elbow has achieved that rate political feat … the auto-wedge.

I hope he comes back from Europe spruiking the Climate Club.

rosie
rosie
July 13, 2023 11:20 am

It still amazes me to hear women lamenting the impact on their careers because of children.
Children are first, else there is no point in having them.

Roger
Roger
July 13, 2023 11:21 am

Cases where the miscreant fails multiple probations yet is still on the street to commit more crimes is beyond logic (and the law one would think).

The rationale, if one can call it that, offered up by the criminologists who advised the then newly minted Palaszczuk government to liberalise the youth justice system, particularly for indigenous children, was that by diverting young offenders from detention we’d prevent them from being criminalised.

While there’s certainly a sound case for treating non-violent first offenders in such a manner, giving them a second chance, so to speak, continuing to do so in the face of repeated offences that have escalated in seriousness is the triumph of ideology over pragmatism. In the meantime, the community feels itself to be under attack.

John H.
John H.
July 13, 2023 11:21 am

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Jul 13, 2023 10:32 AM
I think autism spectrum has always existed, but it was very masked in earlier times, treated as simply individual difference, perhaps a ‘moral’ issue, or ‘bad family blood’ etc, and certainly women as the primary carers were easy targets for blame:

There was, and perhaps still is, the diagnosis, childhood schizophrenia. I suspect that in the past many with ASD were so diagnosed and it stuck into adulthood. There is a genetic linkage with schizophrenia and ASD, which is interesting because there is also a genetic linkage with schizophrenia and mathematical giftedness. The diagnosis of schizophrenia has declined or remained stable since the 60’s, which may reflect diagnostic substitution or better obstetrics because difficult pregnancies are a causal factor in both schizophrenia and ASD although a genetic component must be present. There clearly was a trend of diagnostic substitution going on with ASD displacing PDD-NOS(Pervasive Developmental Disorder – Not Otherwise Specified).

Regardless of that, earlier times did provide far more opportunities for integration of mildly autistic people into social and economic life

Good point. Studies have found that natural environments have a beneficial effect for those with psychiatric conditions. The Amish culture is a good example of what you are driving at. It takes a tribe to raise a child and the Amish probably can provide an environment that allows children with ASD to be more comfortable in society. Even the lack of so much sensory stimulation that occurs in the modern world probably helps. Amish children have their own schools so will not be subject to such close scrutiny as in our schools where it seems teachers and psychologists are itching to find another pathology.

rosie
rosie
July 13, 2023 11:22 am

Waiting for my flight I am foolishly in view of FTA TV.
Something called the morning show, I’m now going to change seats so I can neither hear or see it.
The ads along are bad enough.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 13, 2023 11:27 am

Maybe. But it isn’t the age per se, I know a couple where the wife is a decade older than her husband.

I know.
But that would sting this manipulative bint.
She trades on one thing alone – carefully cultured looks increasingly assisted by silicone, botox and make-up.
But at 35 and competing for attention as an influencer, she will be acutely aware of her use-by date.

rosie
rosie
July 13, 2023 11:27 am

I don’t want new gas, I want existing coal to continue and newer better coal to be built, if its good enough to export, it’s good enough to use domestically.
It’s beyond insane.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 13, 2023 11:29 am

I know a couple where the wife is a decade older than her husband.

lol, Cassie. You surely do.

Hairy says Hi, and see you soon we hope.

John H.
John H.
July 13, 2023 11:29 am

Brain networks encoding memory come together via electric fields, study finds

25 years ago someone sent me a paper arguing for a like phenomenon. I should have paid more attention. This isn’t the first study to highlight how fields are important in cognition.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 13, 2023 11:31 am

Zulu

I wonder if Mayo’s presentation mentioned “truth”, treaty, and reparations?

Given the audience, it almost certainly did – with the implied promise of moar munni and power.

Cassie of Sydney
July 13, 2023 11:31 am

“She trades on one thing alone – carefully cultured looks increasingly assisted by silicone, botox and make-up.

But at 35 and competing for attention as an influencer, she will be acutely aware of her use-by date.”

Agree. And your description “carefully cultured looks increasingly assisted by silicone, botox and make-up” is spot on, and I suspect part of the problem. It’s a porno look, a look males should avoid like the plague. There are many naturally pretty young women out there who don’t go down this pornographic, silicone, botoxed thick lips, excessive make up route. It’s quite hideous.

Garside can do better, but whether he learns from this….we shall see.

rosie
rosie
July 13, 2023 11:32 am

I’m seeing quite a few ABC articles about how lower paid public servants and age pensioners in Canberra feeling the pinch from higher mortgage rates, rents, energy and food prices.
Not surprisinging when you consider how expensive Canberra housing is.
Melbourne outer west is significant ly cheaper than anywhere in Canberra.
Not enough suffering to make a political difference in the bubble though.

johanna
johanna
July 13, 2023 11:33 am

It takes a tribe to raise a child and the Amish probably can provide an environment that allows children with ASD to be more comfortable in society.

Seriously, you are paraphrasing Hillary Clinton?

This child was raised without benefit of ‘tribe’, as were my siblings, and we all turned out OK. Same went for many (at least) of my contemporaries.

Like most families who migrated here from Europe in the 1950s, my parents did not have anything approaching ‘tribal’ or extended family support. What they did have was a solid marriage and determination to make a good life for all of us. Which they did.

I am not commenting on autism or ADHD or anything else here, but please do not encourage the vacuous dribble of Hillary and her fan club.

caveman
caveman
July 13, 2023 11:33 am

30 Bushmasters later ,smoking Eu cock and kowtowing to a midget comedian, Elbow walks away without a free trade EU deal. ….but we’re good. Vote No.

rickw
rickw
July 13, 2023 11:33 am

It still amazes me to hear women lamenting the impact on their careers because of children.

The effectiveness of the propaganda on women is incredible.

Multiple times in the past I have had women say to me “I wish I had a career like yours!”

Huh? I don’t have a career! I have a f’cking job! If I didn’t need to money I would be in my workshop mucking around with cars and boats with my kids!

rosie
rosie
July 13, 2023 11:33 am

Pre contact how many Aboriginals reached pension age?

rickw
rickw
July 13, 2023 11:36 am

30 Bushmasters later ,smoking Eu cock and kowtowing to a midget comedian

Elbow made the mistake of thinking the Eu cock smoking required was figurative.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 13, 2023 11:37 am

there is also a genetic linkage with schizophrenia and mathematical giftedness.

Yes. Bertrand Russell had a child diagnosed with schizophrenia.

Autism too has its mathematical advantages.
My first husband had an extraordinary facility with logic and sequential notations, as in music; he seems in retrospect now to have had Aspberger’s.

It is all just part of the human condition, of our extraordinary capacities of mind under certain environmental, genetic and social circumstances. I give you Mozart, case closed.

Thanks for your very informative comments, John H.

rosie
rosie
July 13, 2023 11:37 am

Was thinking about Amish who are somewhat famous for certain genetic conditions due to their very small gene pool.
Could being more prone to certain genetic conditions due to inbreeding make it less likely that Amish are less likely to carry other genetic conditions that aren’t presentin their gene pool (autism apparently has a genetic component)?

John H.
John H.
July 13, 2023 11:38 am

johanna
Jul 13, 2023 11:33 AM
It takes a tribe to raise a child

Hiliary was plagiarizing. It’s an African proverb.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 13, 2023 11:40 am

Multiple times in the past I have had women say to me “I wish I had a career like yours!”

A woman at coffee yesterday said that to me.

Be careful what you wish for, I advised her.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
July 13, 2023 11:40 am

These grid engineers aren’t … you know … they’re not … middle aged white guys by any chance?

Some of them.
Actually most of them.
Many of whom were rather cynical about climate change, and quite possibly not sufficiently respectful of the views of political advisors, modellers, and gender-diverse lawyers who truly understand that mathematics and the laws of physics are optional.

Talentless hacks to a male-identifying person.
Dreadful – but, fortunately, easy to sideline because they are ‘not with the program’.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
July 13, 2023 11:40 am

Embarrassed Man Could’ve Sworn Invitation Said ‘Costume Party’

LITHUANIA — A Ukrainian attendee at this year’s NATO Summit found himself feeling embarrassed upon realizing the get-together was not, in fact, a costume party as he had thought.

“Zoinks! This is humiliating!” said the man, who was wearing a brand-new army-man costume complete with realistic army shoes. “I’m sticking out like a sore thumb here! Why am I the only one not wearing a fancy suit? Didn’t the invite say to wear the coolest costumes we can come up with?”

“UGH! So awkward!”

The man then milled about uncomfortably as most of the attendees smiled politely and tried to ignore him.

Anonymous sources have suggested the mix-up was actually an elaborate prank pulled off by French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz. “We have no idea what you’re talking about,” said Macron when confronted by reporters regarding the allegations before snickering uncontrollably.

At publishing time, the humiliated Ukrainian had become the guest of honor once again after agreeing to launder a few hundred billion dollars for the suit-wearing people.

rosie
rosie
July 13, 2023 11:43 am

Exactly Rick.
I think someone famous, possibly Chesterton, said men work so they can support their families.
The notion of career satisfaction is a modern one.
I doubt 19th century fishermen, miners, agricultural, factory workers etc turned their minds to how their careers were going.
Not that there’s anything wrong with enjoying your job and being ambitious.
My father always said he worked for the week to enjoy the weekend (with his wife and children).

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
July 13, 2023 11:43 am

A FRAUGHT MEETING IN VILNIUS

Despite Biden’s best efforts to put a happy face on it, Vilnius will be remembered as the NATO Summit where tensions boiled over.

Zelensky denounced the Alliance’s admission policy as “absurd” and disrespectful.

UK Secretary of Defense Ben Wallace chastised Zelensky for ingratitude.

Lindsey Graham attacked the Biden administration for weakness.

Ben Hodges criticized Jake Sullivan for lack of “strategic bravery.”

Even NAFO mascot Adam Kinzinger no longer appears to be a “fella.”

The optics were even harsher than the words, with the NATO elites turning their backs on a frustrated Zelensky.

Biden’s assurance that Zelensky is “stuck” with the U.S. may come as cold comfort to both nations now that the Ukrainian counteroffensive has failed to meet expectations, huge amounts of expensive Western armor lay in ruins smoldering on the battlefield, Ukrainian casualties are horrific, and the U.S. has run out of 155mm artillery shells to give, forcing America to debase itself by sending cluster bombs.

The war effort is increasingly a shambles and the War Party is starting to turn on each other.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 13, 2023 11:44 am

Re the soon to be Third World Power Grid.
With all due respect to grid engineers – who can talk off the cuff with great authority about the impending crash – you don’t actually need to be an expert in the field.
Using their own published numbers on retired coal and gas generation, battery capacity and the intermittent nature of renewball generation, you need nothing more than an A3 sheet of paper, pencil and calculator to know we are in strife.

Ed Case
Ed Case
July 13, 2023 11:45 am

rosie
Jul 13, 2023 5:12 AM
I posted a couple of articles on the end of the old thread.
One pointed out that both Amish and Hutterites have higher than normal rates of juvenile leukaemia which squishes the Amish children never get cancer claim.

“Juvenile” Leukemia turns up 0 search results as Juvenile Leukemia.
I’d say you’re bullshitting again, which is par for the course.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 13, 2023 11:46 am

rosie
Jul 13, 2023 11:32 AM
I’m seeing quite a few ABC articles about how lower paid public servants and age pensioners in Canberra feeling the pinch from higher mortgage rates, rents, energy and food prices.

Sorry, ABC, that cannot be. The ACT local council has assured residents that the ACT is fully supplied by “too cheap to meter” ruinables. Discuss this error with your friendly RMIT/family factchecker.

rickw
rickw
July 13, 2023 11:46 am

Last week I wanted to cut across some shit, so I sent an email that short circuited a few things.

CCP political officer fell out of his tree. Got hauled in for an official warning. Me across the table from a number of CCP with stern faces!

To assert their authoritar after going rogue, I’ve had to work from CCP head office since!

I believe my punishment ends today! 🙂

rosie
rosie
July 13, 2023 11:48 am
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 13, 2023 11:50 am

rosie

Jul 13, 2023 11:22 AM

Waiting for my flight I am foolishly in view of FTA TV.
Something called the morning show, I’m now going to change seats so I can neither hear or see it.
The ads along are bad enough.

There’s just enough programming to hold the advertorials together, and it isn’t always easy to determine which is which.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 13, 2023 11:51 am

Turd Case

I’d say you’re bullshitting again, which is par for the course.

Are you talking to yourself again? Did you look in the mirror this morning?

rickw
rickw
July 13, 2023 11:53 am

and the U.S. has run out of 155mm artillery shells

ADI used to have munitions production lines standing idle, just operating each one sequentially to check that each one could be switched on at a moments notice.

That was a long time ago, so I guess this isn’t true for Thales Australia anymore, and clearly isn’t true for the USA.

The CCP will find this failure after such a mild test pretty interesting.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 13, 2023 11:57 am

I don’t want new gas, I want existing coal to continue and newer better coal to be built, if its good enough to export, it’s good enough to use domestically.

HiLe (High intensity, low emissions) coal-fired power is good enough for Japan and it should be good enough for us. Neither Japan nor Australia have border neighbours, we are islands in seas. We can’t rely on others for an energy piggy-back and we have terrific coal and gas. I can’t see the point of putting gas-fired power into a coal field, as is happening (perhaps) in the Newcastle fields. HiLe is the way to go. The energy efficient usage is commendable for its own sake, not for anything CO2 in particular.

We should use all of our energy sources wherever they will work well. This doesn’t mean wind and solar as our main sources, because they have problems of transmission and environmental degradation and also of security, all of which are of concern. Nuclear modules seem to work well, and could be considered. But to make them the be all and end all of our energy supply is simply to give in to the CO2 doomsayers, and we should not do that. Open up the field to competitive bidding and let the market sort out what is best and where.

Dot
Dot
July 13, 2023 11:59 am

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John H.
Jul 13, 2023 11:29 AM
Brain networks encoding memory come together via electric fields, study finds

25 years ago someone sent me a paper arguing for a like phenomenon. I should have paid more attention. This isn’t the first study to highlight how fields are important in cognition.

Electric circuits permit current flow for voltage potentials.

“Electricity” doesn’t flow in wires. It follows the Poynting vectors, which move the electrons or other ions.

johanna
johanna
July 13, 2023 12:04 pm

Sancho Panzer
Jul 13, 2023 11:44 AM

Re the soon to be Third World Power Grid.
With all due respect to grid engineers – who can talk off the cuff with great authority about the impending crash – you don’t actually need to be an expert in the field.
Using their own published numbers on retired coal and gas generation, battery capacity and the intermittent nature of renewball generation, you need nothing more than an A3 sheet of paper, pencil and calculator to know we are in strife.

I can remember reading stuff on climate sites like Bishop Hill, Wattsup and Steve McIntyre’s (to name a few) more than a decade ago pointing out the mathematical impossibility of what our featherbrained politicians have signed up to.

Honestly, we might be better off if they were all replaced by weathergirls and nail salon technicians.

At least they deliver on what they are paid for.

shatterzzz
July 13, 2023 12:11 pm

If we had our time again, I’d go all-out to have the ability for her mum to be able to drop everything when it came to the crunch.

I dropped everything ( not that there was a great deal to drop ..LOL!) to be a stay at home Dad with my 4 .. living in a drug addled SE Sydney “houso” estate you either have the kids in the gutter after school or your there for them 24/7 .. fast forward 20 years or so and all have fled the nest .. 3 married ( 8 grandees all up) 2 daughters own businesses employing folk, son is a computer geek, well up the corporate ladder and the youngest daughter tho single single doing alright ….
Kids they went to school/grew up with .. several still sitting around the gutters inbetween CentreLink visits ……….

Kneel
Kneel
July 13, 2023 12:19 pm

“…to substantially equivalent standards as a comparable Australian educational institution;”

There’s your “get out of jail free” card, right there.

Johnny Rotten
July 13, 2023 12:19 pm

But Labor is too crazed with global warming to see it’s leading us to an utterly pointless disaster. Perhaps voters now will.

There is no way that this ‘Mob’ will get re-elected in 2025. FFS.

shatterzzz
July 13, 2023 12:24 pm

Every time I read one of those stories from politicians about how terrible things are, the first question in my mind is – well, why don’t you do something about it? What’s stopping you?

This applies to the gucci gnome, especially, 90% of the “problems” she manages to find for her VOICE waffles is stuff her dept. is, supposedly, there to deal with ..
Makes me wonder what she does during her working day when not spruiking da VOICE ..!

Ed Case
Ed Case
July 13, 2023 12:25 pm

… don’t suppose an apology will be forthcoming.

Why?
You’ve used a Term, “juvenile’, which isn’t searchable.
It’s more of the Same Old from you.

#1. I’ve been told that some types of Leukemia can be caught from Livestock, the Amish fall under that category.
#2. As far as I know, Leukemia isn’t one of those disease connected to Vaccination or Glyphosate, so it’s quite suspicious that you’ve picked that disease out.

will
will
July 13, 2023 12:26 pm

johanna
Jul 13, 2023 11:33 AM
It takes a tribe to raise a child

absolute hooey

no-one else cares about your kid, or you for that matter

Ed Case
Ed Case
July 13, 2023 12:32 pm

Like most families who migrated here from Europe in the 1950s, my parents did not have anything approaching ‘tribal’ or extended family support.

The Dutch are the least tribal of the Europeans.
Though they were the most numerous of the immediate Post War migrants, they assimilated completely.
One reason might be high IQ, another might be the vast superiority of the Education System in Holland compared to Australia.

Dunny Brush
Dunny Brush
July 13, 2023 12:34 pm

The scenario: You’re a ALP lifer who accidentally becomes prime minister of a country exhausted byCovid, wary of politicians and authority after years of half-truths, police brutality and states that wilfully turned the citizens against each other. The country is broke and inflation and a recession is on the horizon.
Do you
A: Work to heal the country, travelling to every corner with policies designed to heal communities and spark economic renewal through relaxed regulation?
B: Spend every opportunity overseas grinning like an imbecilic orange boy accidentally voted school captain, fritter away community treasure on a war nobody understands, drive up inflation further with deliberately inflationary energy policies, and further divide the country with a race vote. And tell everybody how lucky they are to have you.
Discuss.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 13, 2023 12:36 pm

I think I just got up-sold.
I had to fix one of the attachment points of our heavy iron gates and I needed a deep socket (which I don’t have).
While I was buying some heavier washers to replace the flimsy ones the original installer used I was looking at a socket and ratchet arm for the job.
Anyway, buying two pieces separately was going to cost nearly $60, and the bloke offered a 44 piece set for $180.
Case had been dropped and had a ding in it. Big deal.
Made in Taiwan, so only a bit Chinese.

Zatara
Zatara
July 13, 2023 12:37 pm

Rednecks Rule

Once upon a time ‘Popular Mechanics‘ would have the plans to make that.

P
P
July 13, 2023 12:38 pm

The effectiveness of the propaganda on women is incredible.

Multiple times in the past I have had women say to me “I wish I had a career like yours!”

Is life dull for an Australian housewife? Women answer (1961)

johanna
johanna
July 13, 2023 12:41 pm

Not sure most families that migrated didn’t have extended family support. Would vary significantly on the country/ region you were from. Those I’m familiar, southern European, almost always had extensive family networks here but they vary from another sibling and/ or parent to a clan. On the second point, I’d be interested in seeing if it had a significant effect on well-being over and above a solid marriage or whether anything above that was just cream.

We are Dutch, and none of our Dutch friends had extended family here. Our German friends, the Norwegian family we knew, and the Eastern Europeans were in the same boat.

It may be that the Italians and Griks were in a different situation. It seems unlikely, the chain migration didn’t start till later. But northern Europeans who came in the 1950s didn’t fit the Hillary Clinton, or African, model, and they did pretty well.

No doubt it would have been easier if there were external supports around, but the fact is there weren’t. The notion that they are the sine qua non for success is just an excuse for failure.

Ed Case
Ed Case
July 13, 2023 12:41 pm

Dunny Brush
Jul 13, 2023 12:34 PM
The scenario: You’re a ALP lifer who accidentally becomes prime minister of a country exhausted byCovid, wary of politicians and authority after years of half-truths, police brutality and states that wilfully turned the citizens against each other.

It was no accident.
Police brutality was mostly confined to Victoria, where Labor won with an increased majority.
Albanese won on the back of the Womens Vote by weaponising the Higgins Scandal.
No other reason.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 13, 2023 12:47 pm

Zatara

Jul 13, 2023 12:37 PM

Rednecks Rule

Once upon a time ‘Popular Mechanics‘ would have the plans to make that.

That is simultaneously so wrong, but so very, very right.
It is a step up from the mobile picnic table.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 13, 2023 12:51 pm

We are Dutch, and none of our Dutch friends had extended family here.

Mme Zulu’s parents emigrated from the Netherlands – there was a sizeable Dutch community where they settled.

They made a commitment that, as they had chosen to come to an English-speaking country, only English would be spoken, even within the four walls of the family home…

Aaron
Aaron
July 13, 2023 12:54 pm

Albanese is a grub

From uni straight to Labor parasite.

Like all Trots despises the better off.

Until they get into the good stuff, then they are gluttons.

Takes a special kind of prick to take the Government plane to a Billy Bragg concert.

Perhaps he could flick his property portfolio to the original inhabitants.

As his bald mate said “It belongs to them, let’s give it back”.

Which didn’t include uncle Fester’s 4mil rated heritage listed digs.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 13, 2023 12:56 pm

Turd Case

As far as I know ….

There’s your limitation, if only you had the intellect to recognise it.

areff
areff
July 13, 2023 12:59 pm

ABC’s Virginia Trioli defends breast-feeding trans ‘mums’

https://twitter.com/i/status/1678919245332357120

Wait to the end, when the lightbulb goes on and she realises her ABC audience will be miffed to hear a view with which they disagree, hence the justification that it’s OK to air such opinions “within boundaries”.

Worth noting is that Trioli’s latest ratings are continuing drop. No need to wonder why.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 13, 2023 1:01 pm

As his bald mate said “It belongs to them, let’s give it back”.

It’s always someone else that’s supposed to return property, their own is sacrosanct!

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