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Alamak!
September 4, 2023 12:09 am

starting a new lovely day

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
September 4, 2023 12:13 am

Up early this morning.

pete of perth
pete of perth
September 4, 2023 12:47 am

Good evening from Ella.

Annie
Annie
September 4, 2023 12:48 am

Up late tonight!

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
September 4, 2023 12:51 am

Old news, but how about Farnsy selling out to the Yes campaign, eh?
Traitors everywhere.

OTOH, is there any famous Aussie song that could be used for No?

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
September 4, 2023 1:38 am

Charlie Drake.

“My Boomerang Won’t Come Back”.

Top Ender
Top Ender
September 4, 2023 1:53 am

Hello from a small Greek village in the mountains near Sparta.

No-one here gives a rat’s arse about climate change, alphabet people, or trendy leftie stuff like white privilege and toxic masculinity.

What does concern them seems to be family and honour, and that’s about it.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 4, 2023 1:54 am

Their getting there. Watching Cleetus in Toast was pretty conservative … 3000rpm. Over here we go BANG! – 8500rpm.

Not a critique. Australia and the Summernats inspired all this.

Cleetus!

Neighbor 4.0’s First MASSIVE BURNOUT… Blew The Tires SO FAST!!! + We’ve Got Some News 🙂

Bruce in WA
September 4, 2023 2:01 am

Greetings from Camas, Washington State. Sunday morning, coolish, cloud eight oktas. Prices in WA state have gone up in line with everywhere else. Except for alcohol. Single malt, brand name 12 yo scotch for USD$42 a bottle; Drambuie USD$41 a bottle; slab of 28 (yep, 28) Corona USD$32. Petrol, OTH, USD$5.51 a gallon (3.8 litres). Last weekend of summer and Monday is Labor Day so all holiday areas are packed to the max with humanity. Brekkie calls.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 4, 2023 2:15 am

Many would have seen this before. Ford 302 Windsor – 8500 rpm.

SICKO WINS THE BURNOUT MASTERS AT SUMMERNATS 32

Rosie
Rosie
September 4, 2023 2:24 am

Travelogues as far as the eye can see.
Yesterday we, well some of us, went to mass at the Franciscan chapel, mostly resident Filippinos and Americans but said in English, the only such parish in Tokyo.
We then went to the Ote? museum in Midtown to look at woodcuts, mostly of women and then mostly it seemed of courtesans.
Apparently a very glamorous profession back in the Japanese day.
There were signs there telling us not to talk while we looking, on the train there are signs about making sure sound doesn’t leak from your head phones too. Tokyo might be very crowded but it’s crowded quietly.
Our hotel doesn’t run to oats steel cut by a 13th Century samurai but it does have supplied pyjamas and coin operated washing machines.
Hadn’t even unfolded the pyjamas but now know what they look like on, thanks to a tubby little man in the eighth floor laundry room who was wearing his while washing his clothes. Not pyjamas but a long nightgown.
We beat a hasty retreat down to the 4th floor laundry room, where we found not just washing machines but an ice machine with free ice, and free waxed paper cups to put it in.
Luxury.
Sheer.

Tom
Tom
September 4, 2023 4:01 am

Johannes Leak. Brilliant.

Tom
Tom
September 4, 2023 4:03 am

Johannes Leak on the Walkley awards (founded by the bloke behind Ampol).

Tom
Tom
September 4, 2023 4:04 am
Tom
Tom
September 4, 2023 4:05 am
Tom
Tom
September 4, 2023 4:08 am
Tom
Tom
September 4, 2023 4:08 am
Tom
Tom
September 4, 2023 4:09 am
Tom
Tom
September 4, 2023 4:11 am
Tom
Tom
September 4, 2023 4:12 am
Tom
Tom
September 4, 2023 4:13 am
Black Ball
Black Ball
September 4, 2023 4:25 am

Deary me. Some explaining to do Pwime Minister. James Morrow writes:

Claims that the Uluru Statement from the Heart is a simple one page “request”, and not a much longer document calling for treaty and reparations including potentially a percentage of GDP, appear to have been refuted in a new book by two of the Uluru Statement’s own co-authors.

In a new book released last Wednesday by Harper Collins entitled “Our Voices from the Heart”, Uluru Dialogue co-chairs Professor Megan Davis and Patricia Anderson write that the statement is “15 pages long and includes three elements.”

The book describes those elements as “the one page pitch to the Australian people; ‘Our Story’ of the First Nations history of Australia; and the explanation of the legal reform.”

This contradicts recent claims by Voice advocates including both Professor Davis and Ms Anderson as well as Prime Minister Anthony Albanese that the Uluru Statement, which is where the call for a Voice to Parliament originates, is just a single page long.

The revelation comes after a Newspoll published today by The Australian shows support for the Voice and executive government has fallen to 38 per cent and those intending to vote no has risen to 53 per cent.

Meanwhile support for the ­Coalition has lifted to its highest level since last year’s election, with the opposition now leading Labor 37 per cent to 35 per cent on primary votes.

Labor still leads on a two-party preferred basis 53-47 per cent, though Mr Albanese’s personal approval ratings have fallen into negative territory for the first time in his premiership.

The issue of the length of the Uluru Statement has dominated the Voice to Parliament debate ever since this newspaper revealed a longer form of the Uluru Statement which was uncovered in documents released by the National Indigenous Australians Agency.

That longer version of the document included calls for a treaty, reparations, recognition of “customary law”, as well as the possibility of “a financial settlement (such as seeking a percentage of GDP)”.

It also raised the issue of Aboriginal sovereignty, saying “the unfinished business of Australia’s nationhood includes recognising the ancient jurisdictions of First Nations law.”

In addition to describing the Uluru Statement as a longer document, the book also excerpts text from the statement’s longer form that is identical to that revealed by the NIAA.

Despite the revelations of the longer version, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has described claims about a longer version of the Uluru Statement as a conspiracy theory.

Last month, when confronted as to whether he read the longer form of the Uluru Statement, Mr Albanese said, “Why would I?”

Before the controversy erupted, Professor Davis had on at least one occasion referred to an “18 page” version of the document and urged people to “read that whole document.”

But more recently Professor Davis has called the notion of a longer form of the document “disinformation.”

Last week’s release of the book, which contradicts claims that the Uluru Statement is just one page, has raised further questions about the broader agenda of the Voice.

Shadow Indigenous Affairs Minister Jacinta Nampijinpa Price said that “this is confirmation of what we’ve argued all along, that the prime minister has been hiding the ball and that there is a divisive agenda that will tear the nation apart.”

“Mr Albanese must now come clean about how much the divisive Voice will cost us before we vote, not after.”

In a statement issued on behalf of Prof Davis and Ms Anderson, an Uluru Dialogue spokesperson said, “The Uluru Statement from the Heart is one page.”

“This one-page, 439-word statement – described as ‘the one-page pitch to the Australian people’ in the book you are referring to – and supporting documents that reflect and record the many regional dialogues and consultation leading up to it have been public for seven years. They are found on the Referendum Council website.

“We are not surprised that the No campaign want to focus on anything but the question that is before the Australian people, which is about recognition and a Voice.

“When you listen to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people on matters that affect them, you get better outcomes for their communities.”

Could have bolded the whole article.
“Why would I?” Is that the death knell for the referendum? Tin eared doesn’t even come close to describing those words.

Petros
Petros
September 4, 2023 4:49 am

So company directors can be gaoled for up to ten years for underpaying staff. Interesting. Does that apply to Queensland health bosses who underpaid their staff?

billie
billie
September 4, 2023 4:53 am

Why would I? Albo suspects a wedge if he reads it all perhaps?

He’s happy to put it through as is though, to beat the Tories.

It concerns many that he has no care at all for fellow Australians just beating Tories and staying in power

How typically Labor eh?

Diogenes
Diogenes
September 4, 2023 5:11 am

Does that apply to Queensland health bosses who underpaid their staff?

I had a few ex colleagues work on the abortion known as the Queensland Health system project, you the one where both the govt and IBM sued each other in the mid noughties. They described the existing system as a total mess with contradictory statements for payments and everything depended on the knowledge of the hospital pay clerks. Nobody knows what the payments should be. I hope the system has been simplified since then.

Top Ender
Top Ender
September 4, 2023 5:20 am

Around south-west Greece

We crossed the Corinth Canal, a mighty piece of engineering envisaged for millennia but only achieved in the 19th century. It connects the Ionian Sea with the Aegean Sea with a canal six kilometres long and 100 metres deep. It’s quite something to see the ships transiting through below you.

Then to Lygourio, near Epidaurus (theatre), a very small village in Greece of about 1000 people. Our AirBnb owner had obviously inherited the family house and rents the top floor while living downstairs. It was furnished in 1950s Greek style, complete with antimacassars, figurines, and framed tapestries. Photos from 3+ generations; house exploding with memorabilia. She gave us some lovely figs . She also issued us with sturdy sticks for our walk around the village “in case of dogs”. Only encountered one – a hefty brute – but he sadly wasn’t interested. We were however laughed at by two little old Greek ladies completely dressed in black.

We then went to the Sparta – investigated a ruined castle at the top of a hill. Out of Mystras, we drove through a series of valleys and gorges which included tunnels through the rock and areas where the rock just overhung the road completely. Incredible. Stayed in a guesthouse in the mountains with a billion-dollar view, including the Mystras Castle – it was so quiet and beautiful. We dined down the road at Maria’s restaurant, run by husband and herself. They specialise in meat dishes, so we did too – four lamb chops for E12 with chips – delicious grilled with garlic and lemon).

The Greek church nearby started up on Sunday morning for what seemed to be a 1.5 hour service. It was Father’s Day, but the Greeks have that in June so nothing special was happening. This area must receive more than average rain, it is truly the fruit and vegetable basket, green and has lots of natural springs and lovely drinking water. This is a cycling area and busy both summer and winter.

ON to some cave formation tomorrow.

132andBush
132andBush
September 4, 2023 5:54 am

I’m taking a load of peas to the Bartter feed mill at Hanwood.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 4, 2023 6:10 am

8/10 in the Oz quiz.
Kind of ok that I didn’t know about Woody Allen’s name change.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 4, 2023 6:18 am

Johannes Leak. Brilliant.

support for the Voice and executive government has fallen to 38 per cent and those intending to vote no has risen to 53 per cent.

Wow. Newspoll no less? Going to be much wailing and wringing of hands in the corridors of powa this morning. The punters ain’t born yesterday, the more they see what is under the hood the less they’re liking it. Leak does a marvelous Joyce!

Thanks Tom and thanks BB!

Beertruk
Beertruk
September 4, 2023 6:19 am

Tim Blair in today’s Tele:

WOKE FOLKTURN AGAINST THEIR
OWN SHINY PRIZES

TIM BLAIR

And the award for the most overwrought, attention-seeking display by
play-acting crybabies goes to …
(dramatic pause, opens envelope)
… organisers of the great big 2023 Walkley Awards boycott.
Delightfully, this year’s Walkley Awards ceremony will be shunned by a
cell of lock-step media wokens who last week discovered the terrible truth
about their favourite backslapping glory evening.
These cartoonists and journalists – many of them already Walkley
recipients, and therefore renowned for their exceptional powers of
observation, finally learned after nearly 70 years that the Walkleys were
named after their founder.
That would be Sir William Gaston Walkley, who also happens to have been
the founder of the Ampol oil company. For the wokens, that was strike
one.
Further blows quickly followed. Ampol sponsored the Walkleys for years,
these expert sleuths uncovered, and is even a sponsor of this year’s
awards. Strike two.
Then came strike three: Sir William Walkley was a White Australia
advocate. Big time. Even more so than Labor hero John Curtin, and much
later than Curtin, too.
But it was Sir William’s oil exploits that primarily distressed his woken
critics.
“Did you know that the Walkley Awards were started by Ampol Petroleum
founder Sir William Gaston Walkley in 1956?” Hobart Mercury cartoonist
Jon Kudelka asked last week in a piece that set the boycott ball rolling.
“I must admit until this year I didn’t know this.”
Kudelka’s belated awareness (despite winning Walkleys in 2008 and 2018)
led him to denounce the awards and demand that everyone else denounce
them, too.
“I’m not entering the Walkleys,” Kudelka wrote, having learned of their
unacceptable background approximately five minutes earlier.
“We all need to at least start doing the very least we could do if we’re
going to turn the current rolling disaster around.”
As far as Walkley organisers were concerned the rolling disaster began
with Kudelka’s call to arms.
“Are there any other courageous enviro-heroes withdrawing from the
Walkleys today?” the Guardian’s Andrew Marlton, who goes by First Dog,
wrote on social media.
“Who has the gumption and grit to make a stand against greenwashing?”
Quite a few, as it happens, although “gumption and grit” aren’t qualities
you’d usually associate with declining to nominate yourself for a gift.
By Sunday, Kudelka and Marlton were joined in their action by fellow
cartoonists Fiona Katauskas, David Blumenstein, Glen Le Lievre, Matt
Golding, David Rowe and other carbon-concerned types.
Even better, the SMH’s Cathy Wilcox and her Canberra Times colleague
David Pope penned a perfectly Soviet-style statement expressing support
for the anti-Walkley collective and condemning capitalism’s oily core.
Here’s a taste: “The fossil fuel industry uses its sponsorships of our
sporting teams and cultural events to build a social license and distract
attention from its role in heating the planet and delaying the transition to
renewable energy.”
There’s more by comrades Wilcox and Pope, but let’s try to stay awake.
“Good on you, Jon Kudelka!” yelled ex-ABC journalist turned Greenpeace
representative Sophie McNeill.
“As a three-times Walkley winner I’m ashamed I also don’t know about its
fossil fuel origins!”
McNeill’s most recent book is titled We Can’t Say We Didn’t Know. Turns
out we can.
Critics’ general lack of knowledge, of basic curiosity, was picked up even
by some boycott allies on the left.
“It is a bit funny,” noted reliably lefty Marque Lawyers, “that an industry
whose job it is to investigate and expose things of public interest took 67
years to discover that its own awards night is named after and sponsored
by an oil company.”
Another ex-ABC identity, former Media Watch host Monica Attard, was
also perplexed.
“How did all you journalists out there withdrawing from the Walkleys not
know its origins?” she asked.
“Such a well-known story.”
Kudelka’s wounded reply: “What confuses me is how many journos know
that Ampol are using the Walkleys for greenwashing right now when the
world’s on fire and are apparently OK about it.”
(Note: the world is not, in fact, presently on fire. Please refer to a nearby
window for further information.)
Whatever. Congratulations to the boycott bunch for making the Walkleys
somewhat fun again, with their fussy antics and demands.
It is fun as well to imagine the trigger points for future boycotts. Oil
exploration and the White Australia policy were once mainstream.
Who knows? Certain mainstream woke identities might one day spark
Walkley-level boycotts of their own.
For example, the SMH’s very white Wilcox contributed cartoons to a proVoice book called The Voice to Parliament Handbook: All the Detail You
Need.
It is conceivable – right now, never mind the future – that this could be
seen as both “whitesplaining” and denying an Indigenous artist a role in
an Indigenous publication.
Wilcox shouldn’t be too concerned, however. At current rates tomorrow’s
journalists won’t even find out about her dinky little drawings until the
year 2090.

Dot
Dot
September 4, 2023 6:26 am

I remember when the Hobart Mercury was a target of derision for the petty and vindictive Media Watch.

Beertruk
Beertruk
September 4, 2023 6:39 am

Continuing on from Blackball’s post of James Morrow’s Tele article at 04:25, the Editorial in today’s Tele:

MORE THAN ONE PAGE YET AGAIN

Liberal leader Peter Dutton isn’t often called upon to analyse classic pop
lyrics, but Sunday was an exceptional case.
With the Yes camp receiving John Farnham’s blessing to use his 1980s hit
You’re the Voice in campaign ads, Dutton had no option but to comment.
And he did a decent job of it.
“In a sense it is the appropriate song for the Yes campaign because,
remember, the key line in the lyrics there is ‘You’re the voice, try to
understand it’,” Dutton told Sky News on Sunday.
“I don’t think most Australians understand it.”
Time will tell if Farnham’s celebrated song, previously used in a national
2012 Ford ad, is as much a winner for the Yes campaign as it was on
Australian charts.
Meanwhile, despite the Yes campaign’s best efforts, controversy
justifiably continues over the exact length of the Uluru Statement, which
forms vital elements of the Voice’s structure and outline.
To this point, Uluru Dialogue co-chairs Professor Megan Davis and Patricia
Anderson have both said the Uluru Statement is many pages longer than
one page – only to subsequently revise that view and claim the statement
is only a one-pager after all.
Now comes another Uluru Statement page count from the pair, this time
in a book launched last Wednesday by publisher Harper Collins.
In Our Voices from the Heart, Uluru Dialogue co-chairs Davis and
Anderson report that the statement is “15 pages long and includes three
elements”.
According to the book, those elements amount to a “one page pitch to the
Australian people; ‘Our Story’ of the First Nations history of Australia; and
the explanation of the legal reform”.
A pitch to the public of a single page – something that would be condensed
and simplified for the sake of brevity – is obviously very different from a
complete and unabridged document.
The Yes campaign has been all over the shop when it comes to this simple
issue. Either the Uluru Statement is one page or more.
The campaign needs to make up its mind and properly explain earlier
contradictions.

I want to see the whole thing dead and buried.

Min
Min
September 4, 2023 7:00 am

Apparently most of the lyrics of The Voice are not a great support for the Yes vote 2GB late night host went through line by line and ‘commented. Could someone post the lyrics ?

Beertruk
Beertruk
September 4, 2023 7:03 am

Here you go, Min:


We have the chance to turn the pages over
We can write what we want to write
We gotta make ends meet, before we get much older
We’re all someone’s daughter
We’re all someone’s son
How long can we look at each other
Down the barrel of a gun?
You’re the voice, try and understand it
Make a noise and make it clear
Oh, whoa
We’re not gonna sit in silence
We’re not gonna live with fear
Oh, whoa
This time, we know we all can stand together
With the power to be powerful
Believing we can make it better
Ooh, we’re all someone’s daughter
We’re all someone’s son
How long can we look at each other
Down the barrel of a gun?
You’re the voice, try and understand it
Make a noise and make it clear
Oh, whoa
We’re not gonna sit in silence
We’re not gonna live with fear
Oh, whoa
Ooh, we’re all someone’s daughter
We’re all someone’s son
How long can we look at each other
Down the barrel of a gun?
You’re the voice, try and understand it
Make the noise and make it clear
Oh, whoa
We’re not gonna sit in silence
We’re not gonna live with fear
Oh, whoa
You’re the voice, try and understand it
Make a noise and make it clear
Oh, whoa
We’re not gonna sit in silence
We’re not gonna live with fear
Oh, whoa
You’re the voice, try and understand it
Make a noise and make it clear
Oh, whoa
We’re not gonna sit in silence (we’re not gonna sit in silence)
We’re not gonna live with fear (we’re not gonna live with fear)
Oh, whoa
You’re the voice, try and understand it
Make a noise and make it clear
Oh, whoa
We’re not gonna sit in silence
We’re not gonna live with fear
Oh, whoa

Razey
Razey
September 4, 2023 7:03 am

Nation of sheep, ruled by wolves, owned by pigs.

Miltonf
Miltonf
September 4, 2023 7:06 am

Piss off glowie

Miltonf
Miltonf
September 4, 2023 7:08 am

Johnny Fartam certainly hasn’t helped his credibility by allowing this and, correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t he or his agents object to that song being used for antivax rallies.

Cassie of Sydney
September 4, 2023 7:13 am

I want to see the whole thing dead and buried.”

Yes and I would also add….cremated.

As for the Newspoll, a poll which is good news, I suspect people’s minds are already made up, just like before they were before last year’s federal election. However, all of this won’t stop the tsunami of “YES” spruiking, from the media, from spruikers in the streets, and from companies and corporations (I work for one).

I also think that the mutual arse licking between Qantas and Albanese hasn’t done either side any favours whatsoever. I reckon this has been a gross misjudgment by the leprechaun. As with the SSM plebiscite, he saw it as an opportunity to push his private beliefs on the public. As for Sleazy the Word Slusher, the man from soshul housing, who fights Tories (he does), it’s nice to see the wheels fall off. I really truly think he thought this “Voice” would be a push over, that all he’d have to do is engage in some dog whistling (racism, racism, racism) and gaslighting, and it’ll all fall into his lap. They were elected in May last year on lies, dog whistling and gaslighting, and Sleazy is dumb enough to think that he can continue this formula, but given the cost of living crisis, given the soaring power bills, it’s all now falling on deaf ears. Watching his unravelling is sweet, very sweet.

I reckon the plan was to win the referendum, then call an early election, then push for the republic.

I should add that if the referendum is defeated, it won’t be thanks to the Liberals, who’ve been and remain all over the shop on this. No, it’ll be thanks to the Nationals, One Nation, Advance, and ordinary Australian men and women who pushed back on this. It’ll be their victory, not the stupid effing Liberals.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 4, 2023 7:20 am

….. to fight Tories, first find a Torie. Luigi the Unbelievable aka Anthony Albanese still hasn’t, after 26 years, found one to fight. Maybe just as well, the poor sod would most likely drown in a spittle inflected diatribe. “Why would I”, this from a talentless moron who, no doubt, doesn’t read most things put in front him. I guess comprehension wasn’t taught at St Mary’s. Why would they.

lotocoti
lotocoti
September 4, 2023 7:27 am

Apparently a very glamorous profession back in the Japanese day.

As there was no dental equivalent of rice powder,
black lacquered teeth became the pinnacle of fashion.

calli
calli
September 4, 2023 7:33 am

The problem the MSM has is its lockstep support of the Voice, which appears to have been rejected by its key viewing demographic (I exclude the ABC here because, while its hoovering of money is gargantuan, its negligible geriatric audience sits firmly in the Yes camp). And the name of the game in commercial MSM is generating advertising dollars.

The only area where they might gain some traction is in the digital sphere, where they have a captive audience of brainwashed 18-34 year olds. The rest is lost.

I understand now why there is a seeming evenhandedness from, say, morning program hosts like Barr. The possibility of their audience switching off never to return is real. I have done it, though the Beloved still indulges in his secret vice of watching on the big screen – I catch him every morning and he hastily turns the rubbish off! 😀

As the polls go further south, the trend to hold pollies’ feet to the fire will increase. Just a gentle flame, nothing too scalding.

Another feature of the on air discussions that I have gathered…they’re talking about legislation in lieu of the No vote winning. Big mistake. All it means is that the will of the people simply doesn’t matter. It’s what the politicians want that counts and they are above such tawdry inconveniences.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 4, 2023 7:35 am

John Farnham recorded The Voice but it was written by a four high profile English songwriter/musicians.
Farnham is a bit guilty of presenting a one pager himself.

Min
Min
September 4, 2023 7:35 am

Thanks beertruk Not too many lines there for Yes vote. Feel like you down the barrel of a gun or most telling We gotta make ends meet a few struggling I reckon .
Albo maybe Half Italian but he ain’t no Georgie Meloni , More Mussolini . And you know what the partigiani , grassroots? did to Mussolini .

calli
calli
September 4, 2023 7:36 am

As for John Farnham, they may have wheeled out his song, but they definitively won’t wheel him out to sing it.

Crossie
Crossie
September 4, 2023 7:39 am

GreyRanga
Sep 4, 2023 7:20 AM
….. to fight Tories, first find a Torie. Luigi the Unbelievable aka Anthony Albanese still hasn’t, after 26 years, found one to fight. Maybe just as well, the poor sod would most likely drown in a spittle inflected diatribe. “Why would I”, this from a talentless moron who, no doubt, doesn’t read most things put in front him. I guess comprehension wasn’t taught at St Mary’s. Why would they.

My brother was educated at St Mary’s though just under a decade later and he certainly hasn’t turned out as a Tory fighter or abortion proponent. I suppose you can’t teach character.

Bear Necessities
Bear Necessities
September 4, 2023 7:39 am

I should add that if the referendum is defeated, it won’t be thanks to the Liberals, who’ve been and remain all over the shop on this. No, it’ll be thanks to the Nationals, One Nation, Advance, and ordinary Australian men and women who pushed back on this. It’ll be their victory, not the stupid effing Liberals.

Some credit needs to go to Dutton on this issue. The issue he has shown the most spine.

He asked many questions knowing Albanese would choke on his own vomit of answers.

The best part is watching Turnbull and Bishop showing off their political ineptitude on TV again.

calli
calli
September 4, 2023 7:41 am

If it comes to looking down gun barrels, Pearson, Langton and Luigi and their fellow travellers have made it perfectly clear that they’re at the business end.

Do what we say or else!

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 4, 2023 7:41 am
Cassie of Sydney
September 4, 2023 7:46 am

“Some credit needs to go to Dutton on this issue. The issue he has shown the most spine.”

Until yesterday and a “second referendum”. He should have kept shtum.

Cassie of Sydney
September 4, 2023 7:50 am

The fightback against the sinister and draconian “heritage legislation” in WA didn’t come from the almost extinct Liberals, NO, it came from farmers. The two Liberals in the WA lower house voted FOR the legislation, only changing their minds since. They’ve also changed their mind on the Voice, I guess because they’re reading the room, but seriously? Why would anyone vote for such garbage?

The Liberals in every state have proved themselves to be cowards and quislings.

Dot
Dot
September 4, 2023 7:50 am

Not sure if a Republic will ever get up.

The elites don’t want an elected President, we might elect an idiot they don’t approve of. “Well, President Chris Bowen might be a woke, anti scientific, anti progress nut, but he’s OUR idiot and WE appointed him!”

Perish the thought that millions might say something similar (but different) defending President Ricky Ponting, President Tina Arena or President Craig Lowndes [dear God I want that last one to happen on an ethereal level of trolling unknown to medical science].

The masses want direct election. The Irish have a nominal President and a Parliamentary government.

It’s an absolute lie it cannot work. They’ve suffered more instability than most western countries and their government is stable.

MatrixTransform
September 4, 2023 7:56 am

Nation of sheep

business partner is an Elec Eng so he’s quite clever in a technical sense

we are sharing a beer on Saturday arvo and he goes, “dunno what to do about the Voice, I haven’t really heard much either way”

I said “anybody that reckons we should write race into the constitution based on a flimsy gibberish premise has got rocks in their head”

end of

he didn’t ask why

… assumed he just doesn’t want to think about it too much

Crossie
Crossie
September 4, 2023 7:58 am

Another feature of the on air discussions that I have gathered…they’re talking about legislation in lieu of the No vote winning. Big mistake. All it means is that the will of the people simply doesn’t matter. It’s what the politicians want that counts and they are above such tawdry inconveniences.

Legislating it would be an admission of failure, they could have done that last year just after the election. Any legislation can be repealed by a future government as happened to ATSIC though I agree with you that our politicians have nothing but contempt for us voters. I see the root of this problem in the advisors and staffers that surround them.

The whole of Canberra is one big middle finger to the rest of Australia well exemplified by the shape of the Parliament House. The people populating the city, staffers and advisers, are far from the general population in attitudes and interests that they cannot know how the rest of us live and what we think.

I don’t know what the solution to this is as even the staffers and advisors brought from the regions soon get absorbed by the Canberra blob. One thing that could help is to hire older staffers who at least have some life experiences apart from social media savvy. I have ranted about this previously that ditzy twenty-somethings are not suited to purpose but seem the only ones who are hired.

Razey
Razey
September 4, 2023 7:58 am

Miltonf
Sep 4, 2023 7:06 AM
Piss off glowie

Eat shit.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 4, 2023 7:59 am

The fight back against ruinabled is coming from farmers too. The state Libs are still enjoying the feel of a fence paling butt plug.
Thursday is the start of our Supreme Court action against the Chairman Dan trying to steal our land for the benefit of foreign multinationals.

Dot
Dot
September 4, 2023 7:59 am

There’s basically no NO campaign.

I could make TWO simple ads if I had the wherewithal.

1.

How much would it cost to get one constitutional law prof to explain the proposed s 129 is a blank cheque and then Anthony Mundine says yep, as an Aboriginal, this is why I’m not voting for it, it is a con job?

2.

Then you could have a more negative ad exposing the WHOLE statement from Uluru and concluding that even extreme activists like Lidia Thorpe won’t support it, voiced by Jacinta Price.

It looks like the Voice will go away on its on but can’t we hold it down when it is trying to drown itself? We’re just trying to end the suffering.

Apologies if I am wrong, I am on the bleeding edge of the trend to not watch TV and watch online content creators. No offence but TV really is for boomers and otherwise watching some football games.

Plus my actual TV died the other day.

Roger
Roger
September 4, 2023 8:00 am

Hello…

Labor trails LNP in Newspoll

Business leaders call for change in nuclear energy policy

Razey
Razey
September 4, 2023 8:01 am

Miltonf
Sep 4, 2023 7:06 AM
Piss off glowie

Get phukt.

Razey
Razey
September 4, 2023 8:01 am

Miltonfukwit.

Dot
Dot
September 4, 2023 8:03 am

Hello…

Labor trails LNP in Newspoll

Business leaders call for change in nuclear energy policy

Seems good until the Dutton 2nd referendum TIA and fat headed imbeciles like Chris Bowen will stonewall nuclear power.

Crossie
Crossie
September 4, 2023 8:03 am

Some credit needs to go to Dutton on this issue. The issue he has shown the most spine.

Credit should go to Littleproud who kicked it off months ago with Jacinta Price and Warren Mundine. It took a lot of courage to stick his neck out before the polls were heading his way. Dutton is a Johnny Come Lately with his finger in the wind.

areff
areff
September 4, 2023 8:06 am

Calli, 3AW reporting Farnham “gave permission months ago when Yes was miles ahead”.

Sorta got the impression regret has kicked in

Tom
Tom
September 4, 2023 8:06 am

Many thanks to Beertruk for posting the Tim Blair column and his exquisite skewering of the mindless, climate-obsessed zombie sheep who dare call themselves “journalists”:

(Note: the world is not, in fact, presently on fire. Please refer to a nearby
window for further information.)

Roger
Roger
September 4, 2023 8:08 am

Seems good until the Dutton 2nd referendum TIA and fat headed imbeciles like Chris Bowen will stonewall nuclear power.

Bowen is soon to be the most reviled politician in Australia.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 4, 2023 8:09 am

Crossie

The whole of Canberra is one big middle finger to the rest of Australia well exemplified by the shape of the Parliament House.

When the (now) Telstra Tower was completed on Black Mountain, over the hysterical shrieks of the local Slime, cynics pointed out that it looked like a giant hypodermic syringe, loaded with taxpayer money to inject into the clogged veins of government.

PS, I lived in Kanbra for almost 40 years, and am fully aware of the problems that a “government” city generates.

calli
calli
September 4, 2023 8:10 am

Crossie, I was looking at the “legislation” angle as a face saver for he of the Immaculate Dentata.

It will provide some excellent cash siphoning opportunities, and a rod to whip any conservative government with the conviction to repeal it.

You may start laughing now.

Dot
Dot
September 4, 2023 8:14 am

Hyperdermics on Burley’s shores
Chinese agents enforcing laws
Rocking rolling voting scores
I can’t take it anymore

Roger
Roger
September 4, 2023 8:14 am

John Farnham recorded The Voice but it was written by a four high profile English songwriter/musicians.

One of whom write the lyrics for A Whiter Shade of Pale.

Not many people know that.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 4, 2023 8:15 am

Meghan Davis releases the Trump Squirrel to put things right:

Key yes campaigner and architect of the Uluru statement from the heart, Prof Megan Davis, has accused the no campaign of relying on Trumpian disinformation, conceding it has made the job of persuading Australians more difficult.

Electoral experts and others had said to us they expected this avalanche of Trumpian misinformation to come with the 2022 election. It didn’t come then. It’s come for our referendum,” Davis said.

“We are now in that era. The Trumpian era has arrived on Australian shores.

“There’s a lot of misinformation and disinformation circulating, particularly on Facebook, but also through mainstream media as a consequence of that. And it makes our job harder.”

So, “I commit my government to implementing the Uluru Statement in full” – but, mind you, no details about the scope of “in full” or what makarrata might mean, because it’s so simple and polite.
And we’ll decide anyway.
And shut up, racist.

But it’s not all bad news:

Davis said yes campaigners found many Australians were changing their minds about the referendum once they realised the information they were relying on was inaccurate.

“When they hear from First Nations people about why they want a voice, and the process that led to the voice, then a lot of that misinformation falls away,” Davis said.

So, that “why” would be Document 14? The Voice as the key to self determination, self government, customary law, and compensation?

Or is it token recognition and yet another advisory body to government?

Or a chance for the indigenous communities to take ownership and responsibility for their situation?

Or just munni for the elites?

An oceangoing gang bang…

Cassie of Sydney
September 4, 2023 8:17 am

In 1943, 1944, and 1945, when the Germans were operating the gas chambers in Auschwitz, their aim to murder all of Europe’s Jewry and Roma, the cries of those Jewish and Roma men, women and children fell on deaf ears. Despite pleadings to bomb the death camps, the Allies refused.

Twenty years ago today, on 4 September 2003 the Israeli Air Force flew three fighter jets over Auschwitz. The planes were piloted by the grandchildren of survivors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1FHvsuMzAc

NEVER AGAIN.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 4, 2023 8:17 am

Today, Blot has written an entire column about his old pet dog.
The Finding Nemo syndrome is back.

Rufus T Firefly
Rufus T Firefly
September 4, 2023 8:19 am

I think the bible is a one page document, isn’t it?

Let’s ask an expert, “Excuse me Prime Minister, …….”

On Peter “Man of Steel” Dutton doing the right thing, opposing this travesty, it took him months to raise his head over the parapet, to initially say nothing, then meekly oppose it.
Clearly, the focus groups took a few weeks to collect data, to coerce the “Man of Steel” into the biddable, odious buffon, now before us.

Pogria
Pogria
September 4, 2023 8:20 am

areff
Sep 4, 2023 8:06 AM
Calli, 3AW reporting Farnham “gave permission months ago when Yes was miles ahead”.

Sorta got the impression regret has kicked in

Several months ago, Farnham was still recovering from having half his face sawed off. I am not sticking up for him, but he really would not have been coherent enough to really understand what he was signing, perhaps.

As for not performing the song, he could borrow from Joseph Merrick and wear a hessian covering over the mangled bits of face when out in public. 😀

PeterM
PeterM
September 4, 2023 8:20 am

Check this item about Megan Davis in the Grauniad.

Follow the link to the comments and see how negative they are:)

I think if you have lost Guardian readers, you’re pretty much toast.

Rufus T Firefly
Rufus T Firefly
September 4, 2023 8:20 am

“Buffoon”
How embarrassing.

bons
bons
September 4, 2023 8:21 am

We went to a rather good multi-band jazz concert by the river yesterday. The usual fun was enhanced by a ‘washboard band’. Five lunatics making impossible music on wasboards and clowning around. I was jealous. They would make an excellent backing band fo the No case.
Afterwards we dropped into the club for a drink. Another surprise, a brilliant country duo.
When they sang ‘Try That In A Small Town’ the place erupted. Encouraging.
I have always believed that the restoration of freedom will commence in the bush.

Roger
Roger
September 4, 2023 8:23 am

On Peter “Man of Steel” Dutton doing the right thing, opposing this travesty, it took him months to raise his head over the parapet, to initially say nothing, then meekly oppose it.

And offer Albanese a legislative path instead.

He loves working “constructively” with Albanese, whose intent is to deconstruct Australia.

Mak Siccar
Mak Siccar
September 4, 2023 8:27 am

More on Da Screech.

https://quadrant.org.au/

Insights from Quadrant

An annotated
You’re the Voice

The news this morning (Sept 3) that John Farnham has loaned his anthematic You’re the Voice to the Yes23 campaign prompted an immediate response from reader Tati Sofaris, who read and added his italicised thoughts to the lyrics:

We have the chance to turn the pages over
How many pages? One page or 22?
We can write what we want to write
‘No’ for preference
We gotta make ends meet, before we get much older
What $39 billion per year isn’t enough?
We’re all someone’s daughter
We’re all someone’s son
Let’s not talk about Bruce Pascoe’s DNA
How long can we look at each other
Down the barrel of a gun?
Typo! Should be ‘over a barrel of dumb’
You’re the voice, try and understand it
More information would help

Make a noise and make it clear
Oh, whoa
Oh woe, indeed
We’re not gonna sit in silence
Except if we work for Qantas
We’re not gonna live with fear
Except late at night in Alice Springs
This time, we know we all can stand together
But do we all want to?
With the power to be powerful
Not to mention ‘feared and revered‘
Believing we can make it better
How? Please explain

You’re the voice, try and understand it
Especially you ‘racists’ and ‘right-wing swine‘.

Mak Siccar
Mak Siccar
September 4, 2023 8:28 am

Sorry the italics didn’t copy.

areff
areff
September 4, 2023 8:28 am

Voice lyrics annotated by Quadrant reader Tati Sofaris:

https://quadrant.org.au/an-annotatedyoure-the-voice/

Mak Siccar
Mak Siccar
September 4, 2023 8:29 am

Snap areff!

Min
Min
September 4, 2023 8:30 am

Deakin University now wanting to change the name because Deakin, they only now found out, had some horrible beliefs. Never mind the good works he did.. Probably just like most Australians did in those days when they voted for him . So what does it say about all the progeny who came from that evil white supremacist stock , you must be eliminated too.

Dot
Dot
September 4, 2023 8:31 am

We went to a rather good multi-band jazz concert by the river yesterday. The usual fun was enhanced by a ‘washboard band’. Five lunatics making impossible music on wasboards and clowning around. I was jealous.

I also enjoy Beck, even if he’s a bit out there.

Pogria
Pogria
September 4, 2023 8:32 am

Dear God,
I had started to read an article at Spiked, by Joel Kotkin about Agitprop Media.
Started well, media all lockstep these days, large cause because not enough normal people working their way up on the job. Mostly wealthy young learning churnalism at Uni. So far, so good.
Then the article disintegrates in massive Trump Derangement Syndrome and an attack on conservative media. aaargh, I couldn’t bleach my eyes so I had to gargle with listerine.
I’m adding Kotkin to my “do not read” list.

Dot
Dot
September 4, 2023 8:32 am

I can’t wait until the day the wokies try to say the Greatest Generation were Nazis.

Crossie
Crossie
September 4, 2023 8:34 am

Roger
Sep 4, 2023 8:00 AM
Hello…

Labor trails LNP in Newspoll

Business leaders call for change in nuclear energy policy

Business leaders is a misnomer, they do not lead but follow. There has been a change in the weather regarding the renewables so now they feel it’s safe to advocate for nuclear though they are still not brave enough to do so for coal and gas power which is more economical. For people who should be concerned about the economies of the systems they ignore them when not trendy.

Pogria
Pogria
September 4, 2023 8:34 am

Mak and Areff,
that is so brilliant! Thanks for posting it and for the link. Really made my day.
Will print out copies for friends.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
September 4, 2023 8:35 am

OTOH, is there any famous Aussie song that could be used for No?
Blackfella, Whitefella by the Warumpi Band.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
September 4, 2023 8:36 am

Prisoner of Society, the Living End.

lotocoti
lotocoti
September 4, 2023 8:36 am

Summer in Melitopol! Autumn in Tokmak!
Maybe they’ll get there before General Mud makes an appearance.
If the next lot of game changers haven’t changed the game
by the time the next Presidential election rolls around,
it won’t matter if Orange Man Bad gets in.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 4, 2023 8:43 am

Apparently he didn’t want a repeat of Mother’s Day when she unceremoniously threw us out of the house. She did send him a brief celebratory text message. Meaningless, really.

Been busy, just read the auld thread. Sorry to hear this Vicki, but take heart, things may improve, given the message. My daughter ordered me to leave her house near midnight one night nine years go now when we were staying overnight, and said one Christmas Eve three years ago staying at our place she was taking her kids to a motel for Christmas because I’d invited her half-brother, who’d been living on the streets, to attend as I always did, but that this time, repairing his life, he’d accepted. Hairy talked her down from high dudgeon both times, as she listens to him, but I’ve never really got over it all, those really unpleasant times.

She and I have a sort of normal relationship now for the sake of the grandchildren. She sends me the obligatory text on my birthday and mothers day and attends Christmas when in Sydney. We speak of generalities and she mostly ghosts my comments when we stay at their place in Brisbane. Two days and I’ve had enough.

I wonder if we’ll ever have an honest talk together before I die. Maybe not. Something one has to live with. I still love her and admire her care for her children and that makes it hard.

So glad you are close to your grandson, Vicki. The love of the next generation certainly helps. Hairy had some wonderful grandfather’s day calls yesterday.

Roger
Roger
September 4, 2023 8:44 am

Business leaders is a misnomer, they do not lead but follow. There has been a change in the weather regarding the renewables so now they feel it’s safe to advocate for nuclear

That’s what I was hinting at…the change in public sentiment.

I have no faith in either the LNP or corporate leaders.

I’m adding Kotkin to my “do not read” list.

That would be a shame. Yes, he’s a liberal (albeit a somewhat old fashioned, Jewish liberal), but he has written some good stuff on urbanisation, demography and the American elite’s attack on the middle class.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
September 4, 2023 8:47 am

Back In Black, AC/DC.
…some of these might not bear close scrutiny, but it’s important to be seen to be having a ragin’ hot knees-up to get that winning feeling.

Vagabond
Vagabond
September 4, 2023 8:48 am

Labor trails LNP in Newspoll

This doesn’t mean much. To get the total leftist vote you need to add the green slime vote to the liars because that’s where their preferences go. You can think of the slime as a wholly owned subsidiary of the ALP, at least until they get enough traction to overtake them altogether. The 2 party preferred vote is still overwhelmingly in favour of the wreckers.

Roger
Roger
September 4, 2023 8:49 am

OTOH, is there any famous Aussie song that could be used for No?

We are one.

But we are many.

And from all the lands on earth we come.

We’ll share a dream, and sing with one voice.

I am, you are, we are Australian.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 4, 2023 8:49 am

How great it is to have so many entertaining travelogues and other reflections from travelling Cats and Kittehs. I think they add a lot to this blog. Reminders of life and politics going on elsewhere are always refreshing. From Japan to a Greek village to Washington State, thank you for sharing TE, Rosie and Bruce WA. As well as those who drop in from working ex-Australia. Good to hear news there too.

Indolent
Indolent
September 4, 2023 8:51 am

Exactly as all the honest doctors were saying from the start.

People Rarely Transmit COVID-19 Before Experiencing Symptoms: Lancet Study

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 4, 2023 8:51 am

That’s the song for us all, Roger.

We are all Australians.

Sing it loud and clear.

Indolent
Indolent
September 4, 2023 8:52 am
GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 4, 2023 8:58 am

“NEVER AGAIN”. These are words you can trust coming from Israel. Coming from Australia when an RC is called means until next time.

P
P
September 4, 2023 8:59 am

bons
Sep 4, 2023 8:21 AM

We went to a rather good multi-band jazz concert by the river yesterday. The usual fun was enhanced by a ‘washboard band’. Five lunatics making impossible music on wasboards and clowning around. I was jealous. They would make an excellent backing band fo the No case.
Afterwards we dropped into the club for a drink. Another surprise, a brilliant country duo.
When they sang ‘Try That In A Small Town’ the place erupted. Encouraging.
I have always believed that the restoration of freedom will commence in the bush.

Jason Aldean – Try That In A Small Town Raleigh, NC 8/11/23

Indolent
Indolent
September 4, 2023 8:59 am

By Robert Malone. Even the picture is delightful.

The Delights of the Pfizer/Moderna Catfight

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 4, 2023 9:03 am

The cheap shots at steel cut oats need to stop. They are just better, despite Boob Carr. Deal with it.

mem
mem
September 4, 2023 9:05 am

OK no one has said it, but I find it ironic, that the singer of the Voice song has lost his voice.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 4, 2023 9:06 am
Beertruk
Beertruk
September 4, 2023 9:08 am

Ta areff.

I think that may have been what min was after.
I didn’t even think to go to the Quadrant site.

Roger
Roger
September 4, 2023 9:10 am

The latest economic figures from the UK Office for National Statistics reveal a strong post-lockdown economic recovery and give the lie to the UK media’s narrative (particularly the BBC & The Guardian) that the post-Brexit economy is irretrievably damaged.

Did someone say disinformation?

Dot
Dot
September 4, 2023 9:12 am

The cheap shots at steel cut oats need to stop. They are just better, despite Boob Carr. Deal with it.

Rolled oats are far better. Steel-cut oats are mush that only terminal patients must suffer as their bodies shut down.

The company you keep…

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 4, 2023 9:14 am

calli at 7:33 – Yep, Breakfast TV smelling the wind of Breakfast TV viewers. It’s what tends to happen when your revenue comes from viewers not an RBA cheque from the Department of Finance agreed 3 years in advance.

Dot
Dot
September 4, 2023 9:16 am

Hmmmm….now consider this stuff is applied for through DFAT!?

https://www.australiachinafoundation.org.au/news/2023-24-grants-round

The Foundation provides grant opportunities each year to develop, promote and strengthen understanding and engagement between Australia and China, including business and community stakeholders, in support of Australia’s national interests.

The Foundation’s strategic objectives are:

• Promoting connections and practical cooperation
• Building understanding and exchange
• Showcasing Australian excellence
• Engaging Australia’s diverse communities

The Foundation welcomes applications in line with the Foundation’s strategic objectives, including but not limited to the following areas:

• Collaboration on climate change
• Informed business engagement with China
• Support for cohesive communities through recognising the contribution of Chinese-Australian communities
• Activities that showcase the regional diversity of Australia
• Support for Chinese international students and scholars to connect with the broader Australian community
• Activities that showcase the knowledge and cultures of Australia’s First Nations people in China
• Communications, including projecting a positive image of Australia in China, media diversity and capability
• People-to-people connections, including in art, culture and sports
• Practical outcomes in health, science and technology that showcase the benefits of international collaboration and/or the contribution of Chinese Australians in these fields
• Exchanges and dialogues that increase mutual understanding
• Programs that enhance the China literacy and capability of Australian organisations

Creative and innovative ideas not covered in this list are also welcome.

Estimated Grant Value (AUD): From $100,000.00 to $500,000.00

The maximum grant period is two years.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
September 4, 2023 9:17 am

Yes, steel cut oats make all the difference.
Take an oat groat, cold cut it with steel choppers into little bits, as opposed to steaming the groat and then putting it through a steel roller so they cook quicker.
Then again, leave the oat whole and you could get a favourable barrier draw.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 4, 2023 9:20 am

No need for breakfast.
If you must, must sure it’s meat & eggs & avocado.
I felt sluggish after my fancy pants granola.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 4, 2023 9:21 am

Anyone being served rolled oats should dismiss their man.

areff
areff
September 4, 2023 9:21 am

One legacy of colonialism, a shortage of trousers

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 4, 2023 9:27 am

I felt sluggish after my fancy pants granola.

It’ll be the single paddock milk. Always gets young players.

Roger
Roger
September 4, 2023 9:29 am

Programs that enhance the China literacy and capability of Australian organisations

“the China literacy”?

What about programs that enhance English literacy?

Dot
Dot
September 4, 2023 9:29 am

I really don’t get the single-paddock milk thing.

It automatically disavows cell grazing and holistic management.

I thought hippies creamed and frothed over this sort of stuff.

What if my almond milk is single paddock? Will it taste just as bad?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 4, 2023 9:32 am

What if my almond milk is single paddock? Will it taste just as bad?

If you’re drinking almond milk you’ve already passed any hope of human help.

Roger
Roger
September 4, 2023 9:33 am

Brits have been bonkers about Ukraine. I wonder what the background is there.

Around 200 000 refugees, for starters.

Johnny Rotten
September 4, 2023 9:34 am

Min
Sep 4, 2023 8:30 AM
Deakin University now wanting to change the name because Deakin, they only now found out, had some horrible beliefs. Never mind the good works he did.. Probably just like most Australians did in those days when they voted for him . So what does it say about all the progeny who came from that evil white supremacist stock , you must be eliminated too.

There is a CanBrrrrrrrrrrr suburb named Deakin. Maybe change that as well. FFS.

Zatara
Zatara
September 4, 2023 9:35 am

feelthebern

FSU vs. LSU is about to kick off. Best match of the weekend. Streaming on ESPN.

Roger
Roger
September 4, 2023 9:38 am

calli at 7:33 – Yep, Breakfast TV smelling the wind of Breakfast TV viewers. It’s what tends to happen when your revenue comes from viewers not an RBA cheque from the Department of Finance agreed 3 years in advance.

As previously reported, the local Coleswoths have removed the front of store posters that went up when the referendum was announced. I wondered if it was a local initiative in response to customer complaints, but the promotions over the in-house radio also seemed to have been taken off, which suggests a review of company policy.

Roger
Roger
September 4, 2023 9:41 am

There is a CanBrrrrrrrrrrr suburb named Deakin. Maybe change that as well.

The newly minted suburb of Whitlam might warrant a review given the great man’s prejudices in regard to Balts & the Vietnamese.

Min
Min
September 4, 2023 9:48 am

Professor of History at Latrobe says she asked him to use his song for Yes vote. Mitchell let her go on once they realise that Latrobe was one of the middle aged white supremacists and she continues teaching history as required these days she’ll soon be out of a job.

Pogria
Pogria
September 4, 2023 9:53 am

GreyRanga
Sep 4, 2023 8:58 AM
“NEVER AGAIN”. These are words you can trust coming from Israel. Coming from Australia when an RC is called means until next time

This, plus a 1,000.

cohenite
September 4, 2023 9:54 am

I referred to a spazz by Twiggy recently where he went full alarmist about humidity and how we were all going to die in our sweat. There’s definitely something happening with the guy with his missus pissing off along with several key executives from his iron ore business. It wouldn’t surprise me if he turns up at a vegan protest with that vegan fruitcake, Tash Peterson who drops her duds outside butchers shops.

But Nick Cater has written a good article on Twiggy’s brain farts. It should get interesting,

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 4, 2023 9:56 am

Wesfarmers increasingly in the crosshairs over this stuff. Would never have happened pre Chaney. Truly Red Fred’s family.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 4, 2023 9:57 am

Watching it Zatara.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 4, 2023 10:00 am

On Yes Airways:

Consumer watchdog aiming for record $600m penalty against Qantas

The ACCC tells us that QANTAS cancelled 25% of its flights in Q2 2022 – but continued selling seats on them and holding onto the money paid by mug travellers for months.

QANTAS 2022 Annual Report tells us that it flew 21.5 million pax at an average seat price of $270. Which suggests that at any given time the Leprechaun was holding about $270+ million of should-have-been-refunded-months-ago money in interest-earning accounts.

How do you maximise the returns from a scam like this? Well, you sell seats on flights you know are cancelled and you introduce ‘process’ designed to make refunds as slow and painful as possible.

In a normal world this sort of organised deception behaviour would attract the attention of the Constabulary, not an administrative body.

But here we are.

Technical Note: This is exactly why you don’t accept lavish gifts from grifters. When the merde hits the fan, you can’t avoid being richly splattered.

Obviously Albanese himself is a card carrying Maate; but you’d hope he’d be concerned when his son came under the influence of older, more experienced men.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 4, 2023 10:00 am

I really don’t get the single-paddock milk thing.

Probably just a start up gimmick that will go bust shortly.
Way back I used to buy an organic pancake mix.
It went bust & was bought by some Japanese who export the lot to Japan.

Sancho, when next eating fluffy Japanese pancakes ask if it’s from organic Australia wheat.

Pogria
Pogria
September 4, 2023 10:01 am

Cohenite,
we can add Twiggy’s ramblings to Bob Brown’s Earthians Speech.

https://australianpolitics.com/2012/03/23/bob-brown-green-oration.html

If I remember, it was not long after the Earthian ramble that Brown left politics.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 4, 2023 10:03 am

Zatara, seems like they are making out of conference games the thing for opening weekend.
At semi neutral venues.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 4, 2023 10:04 am

It pays to slip the odd Earthian reference into a speech. Makes you look edgy and keeps the audience on their toes.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 4, 2023 10:05 am

Has Twiggy done a Boris and got some hippy poon?

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 4, 2023 10:06 am

Way back I used to buy an organic pancake mix.

Organic pancake mix.
Is there no end to the horror?

Rosie
Rosie
September 4, 2023 10:06 am
H B Bear
H B Bear
September 4, 2023 10:08 am

Obviously Albanese himself is a card carrying Maate; but you’d hope he’d be concerned when his son came under the influence of older, more experienced men.

That’s why you should never let you son go to Sydney during school holidays.

calli
calli
September 4, 2023 10:08 am

End of Days stuff.

Speaking of which, Neil Mitchell asked Benito’s valet what he’d do if he was dictator.

Eliminate the states and social media.

Roger
Roger
September 4, 2023 10:09 am

ACCC chair recently told Steve Austin on Brisbane ABC radio that QANTAS was the most complained about company in 2023.

Optus & Telstra were thankful for the breathing space.

Speedbox
September 4, 2023 10:15 am

Cassie of Sydney
Sep 4, 2023 8:17 AM
Twenty years ago today, on 4 September 2003 the Israeli Air Force flew three fighter jets over Auschwitz. The planes were piloted by the grandchildren of survivors.

I didn’t know that.

NEVER AGAIN

100%. Israel’s determination. utter conviction, to never allow Jewish people to be the ‘whipping boy’ of assorted despots and other maniacs is absolute. “Never again will we allow anybody to f*ck with us”, is something I admire.

Roger
Roger
September 4, 2023 10:15 am

Eliminate the states and social media.

Yeah, but he was only joking…right?

The elimination of the states was a desideratum of Whitlam & Hawke as well.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 4, 2023 10:16 am

From the Hun

Yoorrook Justice Commission releases first report from Victoria’s truth telling commission

Victoria’s powerful truth-telling inquiry has released its first report, calling for Aboriginal Victorians to have separate justice and child protection systems run by Indigenous people.
Mitch Clarke
2 min read
September 4, 2023 – 9:33AM
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Aboriginal Victorians should have their own separate First Peoples’ controlled criminal justice and child protection systems, the state’s powerful truth-telling inquiry has recommended.

The Yoorrook Justice Commission released its first report on Monday, making 46 recommendations including for the Andrews government to ban the detention of all kids under 16 and urgently establish an independent police watchdog that is led by a person who has not served as a cop.

The report into Victoria’s child protection and criminal justice systems follows 27 days of hearings with evidence from 84 witnesses including Premier Daniel Andrews, several ministers and Victoria Police Chief Commissioner Shane Patton.

All provided formal apologies for “historic and ongoing harm”.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 4, 2023 10:19 am

“Never again will we allow anybody to f*ck with us”, is something I admire.

Story goes that “NEVER AGAIN” was welded into the casing of the first Israeli atomic weapon, produced at Dimona.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 4, 2023 10:21 am

… with evidence from 84 witnesses including Premier Daniel Andrews, several ministers and Victoria Police Chief Commissioner Shane Patton.

Maaaaaaate.

84 witnesses or the same evidence from 84 people?

Black Ball
Black Ball
September 4, 2023 10:22 am

FMD Zulu. What a depressing article just now about yoof crime. Truth telling? Would that include higher incarceration rates per thousand of Aboriginal people to non, er, Aboriginal? Or nah?

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 4, 2023 10:23 am

NEVER AGAIN

1000%.
Always look upon those to diminish the horror of the holocaust with suspicion.
They do this by falsely drawing parallels between the holocaust and other events in modern history.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
September 4, 2023 10:24 am

Some people are dreamers
They live for the future
As if it would work out
Just as they dreamed it would work out
Somehow

Sometimes it’s easy
To make up excuses
On the flimsiest pretext
And then call them reasons but where
Where are they now?

Lyrics from Reasons, performed by John Farnham

Rosie
Rosie
September 4, 2023 10:24 am

The truth is anyone in Victoria with a drop of aboriginal blood makes sure they get koorie court for an easy run.
But sure let’s have an official two tier legal system.
Murder someone when you are fifteen?
No worries.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 4, 2023 10:26 am

Locking up non-violent offenders under the age of 16 is pure insanity.
Community protection orders should be used for all non-violent crims apart from white collar crims.
Jail is the only thing that scares a white collar crim.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 4, 2023 10:26 am

Eliminate the states and social media.

You suspect nuking Canberra (especially during a sitting week) would be a popular choice. Although that probably hasn’t occurred to him over the past 20 odd years.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 4, 2023 10:27 am

There is a CanBrrrrrrrrrrr suburb named Deakin. Maybe change that as well

There’s a great phone exchange in Deakin.

Apparently.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 4, 2023 10:29 am

For those who admire Israeli determination, don’t forget to check out FAUDA on Netflix (or is it Foxtel?). Start at Series 1 to get the full impact. It about an Israeli undercover team sorting out Pali plots against Israel, but it is full of humanity about both sides of this conflict. You get to see a crack Israeli team in action with Never Again backed by high tech surveillance. t is very popular in Gaza, which tells you something.

Roger
Roger
September 4, 2023 10:31 am

Locking up non-violent offenders under the age of 16 is pure insanity.

What do you do with a youth under 16 with a pages long record of unlawful entry, breaking and entering and car theft?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 4, 2023 10:32 am

And if you’re interested in the history of Israel under British occupation, you could also enjoy The Beauty Queen of Jerusalem. Several series, start at number 1, which intro’s with the Turkish occupation prior to the British. A grand family saga awaits you and a fascinating glimpse into another ‘Mediterranean’ culture of honour and shame. Shown to be increasingly under the pressures of modernity.

Morsie
Morsie
September 4, 2023 10:33 am

Joyce is a bustard bug he can sure run an airline

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 4, 2023 10:35 am

What do you do with a youth under 16 with a pages long record of unlawful entry, breaking and entering and car theft?

Put them in the army, said the wife of a Master Builder at our lunch the other day.

She looked at me as though I might disagree, ‘cos I stood up for Mushroom lady.
Best thing to do with them, I said. Special regiment for yoof. Lots of drill.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 4, 2023 10:36 am

What do you do with a youth under 16 with a pages long record of unlawful entry, breaking and entering and car theft?

Community protection order.
The goal should be to loop in the parents financially.
Then watch the crime drop.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 4, 2023 10:39 am

Commentator in the LSU, FSU game.
“He’s only 6,1 & 290 pounds…he’s not the biggest lineman but he can move”.

Roger
Roger
September 4, 2023 10:39 am

Put them in the army, said the wife of a Master Builder at our lunch the other day.

The army doesn’t want them and quite rightly so as reforming delinquent youth is not their purpose.

lotocoti
lotocoti
September 4, 2023 10:39 am

It’s looking grim.
Apparently men over thirty, currently studying at university,
will lose their military exemption too.
IIRC it was the French ace Georges Guynemer who,
when asked what he planned to do after the war said:
There won’t be any “after the war”.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 4, 2023 10:40 am

i.e. living in a hostel situation, made to go to school, and made to join something like the Cadets. Not just placement in a special juvenile ‘prison’ for this just sets up an oppositional culture. The aim should be to normalise regular activity of the sort that plenty of other kids do.

Roger
Roger
September 4, 2023 10:41 am

Community protection order.
The goal should be to loop in the parents financially.

Parents on the scene?

With financial means?

You’re underestimating the level of dysfunction in play in many of these cases.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 4, 2023 10:41 am

And not something like ‘returning them to country’ because that just reinforces the boredom and inapplicability of the old culture to today’s world.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 4, 2023 10:41 am

Put them in the army

The one that seems to be run by the trans community ?

The army doesn’t want them and quite rightly so as reforming delinquent youth is not their purpose.

Damn straight.
Unless of course they want to transition or virtue signal.

Makka
Makka
September 4, 2023 10:42 am

All provided formal apologies for “historic and ongoing harm”

Harm, done by whom? From official indigenous reports, the most serious harm and vast majority of it is perpetrated within aboriginal communities by aboriginals themselves. And has been for decades.

We pour tens of billions annually into this industry , then are made to look like the perpetrators?

These Commission parasites make me sick.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 4, 2023 10:43 am

You’re underestimating the level of dysfunction in play in many of these cases.

Yes. Removal to a more rigorous environment that challenges them is the clue. It can be done with firmness and kindness, bringing in competent men as father figures.

It is what upper middle class parents pay for when they send their wayward kids to boarding school.

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 4, 2023 10:43 am

Roger, the goal should be to have a financial penalty (reduction in tax payer benefits) hitting the parents if the kids in their household continue to break the law.

Speedbox
September 4, 2023 10:46 am

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Sep 4, 2023 10:19 AM
Story goes that “NEVER AGAIN” was welded into the casing of the first Israeli atomic weapon, produced at Dimona.

Hadn’t heard that.

(Mind you, the welding doesn’t really surprise me – whether true or not – kinda makes sense.)

bons
bons
September 4, 2023 10:46 am

Joyce is a bustard bug he can sure run an airline
He was operating in probably the most permissive environment in the industry.
A monopoly outside the main routes that he exploited criminally.
A government and union sponsored protection racket.
Billy Blackouts could make a profit in those conditions.

Rufus T Firefly
Rufus T Firefly
September 4, 2023 10:48 am

Tokmak is approximately where the FIRST line of Russian defence begins. The FIRST line. It has been three months since the much awaited “offensive” began. The Ukraine army no longer leads its attacks with armour, it leads with small numbers of troops. Wait a minute, isn’t that what “Ivan” was accused of eight months ago, “Human Wave” attacks? Luckily, Ukraine is winning, ….., right?

Two items of interest from the Ukraine press:
1. Medical standards to be “relaxed” for Ukraine recruits. (??????)
2. The US will now supply its Abrahms tanks AND depleted Uranium shells, just like the Poms did for its Challengers. (This is on top of the cluster bombs that the US has sent)

Now, what would be the response in our “fair and unbiased media” if Russia announced it was sending depleted Uranium shells and cluster bombs?
0-M-G!!! How could the filthy Muscovites do such a thing!!!

The Russians have responded to the change in Ukraine tactics, (small groups of men leading the charge), by dosing the dead ground with fire accelerants, waiting for the troops to enter, then igniting the area with bombs from a drone.
As the flaming victims depart, the arty arks up. Charming.

How many more “Ukrainians”, (even those with Polish accents), have to die, before someone with some sanity drags the vile ‘elensky to the negotiating table?
Remember, ‘elensky said “We are ready”, before this latest debacle began.
Was he, (and Zaluznyhi), unaware of the Russian defences, or, did he just not care?

What inferences can be drawn about the Ukraine Govt, given the whole war, not just this latest massacre? General Nuland must be very pleased.

In the wings, Taiwan is being prepped. “You’re next Tsai Ing-Wen, ….ready?”

Roger
Roger
September 4, 2023 10:49 am

Roger, the goal should be to have a financial penalty (reduction in tax payer benefits) hitting the parents if the kids in their household continue to break the law.

Not going to happen, bern.

The parents are very often not around and an auntie or a grandma who is ill equipped for the task is trying to raise the child, probably along with several other children from the same family.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 4, 2023 10:56 am

Not going to happen, bern.

Nothing surer. Most of them go to Childrens Court more often than school.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 4, 2023 10:56 am

Put them in the army

I think that’s a sort of metaphor for doing something to straighten them out.

As I’ve said, Cadets is where the army can come into it. I’ve mentioned before that I watched a show where kids from a Brit private school swapped for a term with kids from a mainly migrant school. The two migrant kids, from strong family cultures, found it interesting but were glad to return to their old school and homes. But the third transferred, a young boy aged 15, a white working-class lad who resented and hated the private school at first, slowly responded to the genuine interest the headmaster showed in him, and got to love the Cadets, which he hated at first. At the end of the term he spoke of what he had learned and wondered if his single mum might be able to afford another term at the school for him, so he could continue to do well in his studies (which he’d failed at the old school). The show ended on this note and tears welled up in me for this kid. Apparently it did so for others. A note added at the end said a benefactor had paid for this lad to stay at the school till he completed his education.

Probably paying for some of these criminalised kids to attend regular boarding schools (if they could be accepted), and attend Cadets, would work out cheaper in the end than special youth detention systems.

One problem is that wokeness invading our schools means that many now don’t offer Cadets. In my public school in Sydney’s west in the 50’s there was an active Cadets corp. It changed lives.

Indolent
Indolent
September 4, 2023 10:57 am
Lysander
Lysander
September 4, 2023 11:01 am

Did Newspoll have a State-by-State breakdown?

feelthebern
feelthebern
September 4, 2023 11:01 am

You’re probably right.
But locking people up is the least productive thing society can do in the long term.
Apart from if they’re violent.
Or a white collar crim.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 4, 2023 11:05 am

These kids are bored.

There’s no family life. It’s not a lot of fun living with a stressed-out grandma.

Gabor
Gabor
September 4, 2023 11:05 am

Cassie of Sydney
Sep 4, 2023 7:50 AM

The Liberals in every state have proved themselves to be cowards and quislings.

That’s why we need upticks instead of wasting pixels agreeing.

Christine
Christine
September 4, 2023 11:09 am

Those praising Alan Joyce may have forgotten that years ago he went begging to the government of the day – and was rightly knocked back.

Roger
Roger
September 4, 2023 11:09 am

I think that’s a sort of metaphor for doing something to straighten them out.

Of course rehabilitation should be the goal with children. My point is that in most cases that can only happen after some form of detention has stopped the cycle of offending which inevitably escalates in seriousness when it is not dealt with in a proper manner in its early stages.

Alas, in Queensland the Palaszczuk government can’t build youth detention centres quick enough to keep up with the placements, resulting in children being detained in police watch houses as an interim measure.

Roger
Roger
September 4, 2023 11:16 am

These kids are bored.

I’m afraid it’s often much worse than that, Lizzie.

Mental development issues due to the mother’s alcohol abuse of alcohol during pregnancy is very common. That results in social services placing the new born with other family members at the outset. While they may have good intentions, they’re not equipped for the challenges that result as the child grows older.

Roger
Roger
September 4, 2023 11:19 am

I suppose most people who live in the large cities can remain happily ignorant of this social disaster. In regional areas it’s a lot harder to sweep under the carpet.

mem
mem
September 4, 2023 11:20 am

What do you do with a youth under 16 with a pages long record of unlawful entry, breaking and entering and car theft?

Refer him to the local crime boss.

Lysander
Lysander
September 4, 2023 11:20 am

Surely the 9% “undecided” for the InVoice are going to break more in favour of “no” than “yes?” If you’re still “undecided” at this late stage in the game, you’re surely having doubts or reservations about it? Agree some will be “undecided” as they just don’t know about it or havent read up on it yet but am guessing at least two-thirds of this cohort will end up being “no?”

Tom
Tom
September 4, 2023 11:27 am

Sophie Elsworth, Paywallian:

Walkley Award winner Mark Knight is among a group of cartoonists that has accused colleagues in the industry of “virtue signalling” by boycotting this year’s prestigious media honours because of the event’s links to petroleum company Ampol.
The Herald Sun’s Knight, who was 2022 cartoonist of the year, said the stance by a “left-wing” cohort of cartoonists was disappointing to see and it could have been handled much better.
“The Walkley Foundation now fears that they are being cancelled by the very left-wing cartoonists that they supported for so long, which I think is a great irony,” he told The Australian.
Over the weekend, the Walkley Foundation issued an apology for “racist views” held by the event’s founder, New Zealand-born oil baron, Sir William Gaston Walkley, that were published in a column he wrote in The Sydney Morning Herald 62 years ago.
The foundation’s board also said it was reviewing its sponsorship policies after the backlash erupted.
Knight, who has been a cartoonist for 39 years and has won four Walkley Awards, said the honours should not be destroyed by media activism following many cartoonists voicing their disgust with the event’s sponsorship ties with a fossil fuel company. “The Walkleys are one of the premier media awards in this country and we don’t want to destroy them … it’s a shame to see it damaged in this way,” Knight said.
“It’s another act of virtue signalling by the people, let’s splash it all over social media rather than actually make a change to achieve what we think is right.
“I’ve entered the Walkleys this year and I’ll be sitting at the Ampol table and my diesel ute will be valet parked underneath.
“There’s better ways to do it, they could have gone to the MEAA and said they are not happy about this.”
Ampol is a platinum sponsor of the Walkley Awards, which will be held on November 23.
Knight entered this year’s awards before he even knew of the stance taken by other cartoonists to boycott the event, including The Australian Financial Review’s David Rowe, The Age’s Matt Golding, The Guardian’s First Dog on the Moon, The Mercury’s Chris Downes and Fiona Katauskas, Glen Le Lievre, David Blumenstein, and Andrew Weldon. Weldon wrote on Instagram: “In this era of climate crisis it’s pretty dodgy for major awards for journalism to be sponsored by big oil.
“I’ve withdrawn my Walkley submission along with many other great cartoonists.”
Many of the cartoonists boycotting the Walkleys are also members of the Australian Cartoonists Association, which is led by The Sydney Morning Herald and Age cartoonist Cathy Wilcox. She and Canberra Times cartoonist David Pope wrote a letter to the Walkley Foundation last week, raising their concerns about the Ampol sponsorship.
“The fossil fuel industry uses its sponsorship of our sporting teams and cultural events to build a social license (sic) and distract attention from its role in heating the planet and delaying the transition to renewable energy,” the letter said.
“With what we know about fossil fuel’s direct impact on the climate and the power of greenwashing through sponsorship of popular cultural events, we believe it is vital for the Walkleys of today to break this bond.”
The Australian’s cartoonist, Johannes Leak (see today’s toon), who has never before entered the Walkley Awards, decided to submit a last-minute entry when he heard many cartoonists were disgusted with Ampol’s involvement.
“This just shows that they are climate change activists as much as anything else … we’re just supposed to draw funny pictures,” he said. “These prizes to me are political, they don’t call it the Wokeleys for nothing and I always thought it would be a waste of time to be a part of it.”
Sydney’s The Daily Telegraph cartoonist Warren Brown, a car enthusiast and motoring historian, has also entered this year’s awards and he said the boycott was a “churlish, stupid thing to do”.
“I suddenly was getting all these calls from the Walkleys asking me to be a judge and asking if I was going to enter,” he said.
“Wait ’til they find who started the Nobel Peace Prize – Nobel invented dynamite – and I can’t see anyone complaining about that.
“I champion fossil fuels, I can’t have enough of it, I would have my own oil rig in my backyard if I could.”
Arthur Gorrie, a former Queensland representative of the then-Australian Journalists’ Association, now media union MEAA, said he was disappointed to read of the boycott of “the Walkley Awards, started in 1956 by Ampol founder Sir William Walkley, because Ampol sells fossil fuels”.
“I recall president Barry Porter telling of an award nominee whose entry included criticism of Ampol,” he said.
“When union officials explained this potentially awkward situation to Sir William, he said there was no problem. There were no strings attached.”

Zatara
Zatara
September 4, 2023 11:27 am

What do you do with a youth under 16 with a pages long record of unlawful entry, breaking and entering and car theft?

Put them in a gym to bulk up until they reach their majority because the world always has ditches to be dug and chain gang cost is much less than union wage.

Lysander
Lysander
September 4, 2023 11:27 am

And, when considering the majority of people (not the majority of States) the breakdown of enrolment is as follows:

NSW 31.66%
VIC 25.26%
QLD 20.54%
WA 10.33%
SA 7.25%
TAS 2.30%
ACT 1.80%
NT 0.87%

Diogenes
Diogenes
September 4, 2023 11:28 am

The goal should be to loop in the parents financially.
Then watch the crime drop.

Bern,

Many are in state care.
Consider the case of the 13yo girl who stabbed a security guard. The girl is in state care… Her mother was a druggie , her father lost custody to mum in a nasty family court battle, and for some reason state got custody. The guys that stabbed that woman to death near where I work were in state care.

One of the kids in one of my classes is currently doing 3months. His poor grandad was doing everything he could, and was engaging with every support service he could, but nothing was working for the kid.

Lysander
Lysander
September 4, 2023 11:30 am

Over the weekend, the Walkley Foundation issued an apology for “racist views” held by the event’s founder, New Zealand-born oil baron, Sir William Gaston Walkley

Lol! The Left will eat itself.

I wonder how Louise Nil-Again feels about holding an Imperial award?

Diogenes
Diogenes
September 4, 2023 11:32 am

for some reason state got custody

for some reason state got custody when she died …

Makes more sense now

Roger
Roger
September 4, 2023 11:32 am

Where do the Walkley boycotters fill up?

Or do they charge their EVs with electricity produced by burning coal?

amortiser
amortiser
September 4, 2023 11:34 am

All provided formal apologies for “historic and ongoing harm”

So they are presiding over institutions perpetrating ongoing harm. They should be tendering their resignations forthwith.

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