Open Thread – Mon 11 Sept 2023


Napoleon at Brienne, Jacques Marie Gaston Onfroy de Breville, 1908

1,553 responses to “Open Thread – Mon 11 Sept 2023”

  1. Dot Avatar

    A montage of 9/11 scenes is not footage of a space laser vapourising steel and turning concrete into dust.

    It may take years, but we can coach you up to an adult IQ level and autism can be functionally ameliorated.

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  2. calli Avatar
    calli

    Morsie, where’s the fun in that? You are watching Blair’s Law in action.

    Highly instructive and entertaining.

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  3. Robert Sewell Avatar

    DoverBeach:

    Firstly, Trump is effectively the presumptive nominee, with unbeatable leads bar lawfare from within or without. Secondly, he has a commanding lead in IA. Thirdly, West running as a third candidate makes the task for Trump easier and makes ‘fortification’ that much harder.

    This may be an odd question, but what happens if despite the Trump popularity, the Republicans refuse to have him as the nominee, and go for someone else?

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  4. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    You made it up. There is no “steel turning into dust”. Cars were not fried with space lasers.

    Told youse.

    You are an emotive thinker. All of your stupid claims have been annihilated and you haven’t proven a thing

    Some people just want to believe. Mostly because interacting with normal people is beyond them.

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  5. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    “why don’t you just try running the fckng airline properly, you greedy cnts”.
    Some even get a little abusive.

    Brand management does appear to be suffering.

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  6. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    A few questions for the members of Club Vialls re WTC7.
    1. Assuming 9/11 was some vast conspiracy, who ordered it, who planned it and who executed it?
    2. Why? What was their objective, and did they achieve it?
    3. Specifically related to WTC7, what was the objective there? Having dropped the twin towers and killed 3,000 people, what additional impact was achieved by imploding an evacuated building?

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  7. Alamak! Avatar

    You might also test a hypothesis you disbelieve to see if your disbelief was wrongly placed. You should be prepared to do this too, particularly if you are a Critical Rationalist and don’t see a world full of alternative facts.

    Enough of the cool, crisp rationalism. Please stop making sense.

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  8. calli Avatar
    calli

    I also think the swirling p*ss taking is a normal reaction to the unthinkable. We’ve all processed what happened in one way or another, but nothing can account for the horror that visited us from the other side of the world straight into our living rooms early morning on the 12th.

    Only the extremely callous can be detached, even 22 years later. So we muck around with our theories, not to diminish those who perished but because we can’t forget them.

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  9. Steve trickler Avatar
    Steve trickler

    Dot
    Sep 13, 2023 2:45 PM
    A montage of 9/11 scenes is not footage of a space laser vapourising steel and turning concrete into dust.

    Again, the only one mentioning a space laser is you. Why is that?

  10. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    Didn’t realise the Cat harboured a bunch of “truthers….”

    Next you’ll be telling me Barry Soetoro was POTUS, born overseas, enjoyed crack and g@y sex…

    😛

  11. Dot Avatar

    Again, the only one mentioning a space laser is you. Why is that?

    Because you refuse to say where it was fired from, what the beam was rated at in wavelength or MJ/GeV, who fired it, why, under whose command or design, how it was powered and how they had the technology to modulate the beam to symmetrically demolish a geometrically shaped object.

    That’s why, you friggin’ turkey.

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  12. Rabz Avatar
    Rabz

    Moreover their arguments are speciesist

    OK – I’m going give Perfesser Plankton the benefit of the doubt and assume the howler above is the work of the meeja service reporting her remarks. Or does she really think that the arguments of no voters (or those orrible stupid racist no campaign people) marginalise particular species?

    As for WTC 7, I wasn’t going to weigh in on that, but the funniest conspiracy hypothesis I ever read about its mysterious collapse involved the work of an FBI (or was it the CIA?) super secret agent squirrel team program being run out of that building. Haven’t been able to find it since – accessed the link at the time via Blair’s blog, which I started reading shortly after 9/11.

  13. Real Deal Avatar
    Real Deal

    Like alot of people, I watched all the networks in Australia broadcasting the horror of the attacks until about 2.30am the next morning on the east coast of NSW. For years afterwards I had lots of bad dreams and nightmares about that day, especially the destruction of the Twin Towers.

    They continued on and off for years and only stopped when I visited the memorial at ground zero in 2015. I’ve never had another dream about it again. Very moving place, but I couldn’t appreciate the young people standing in front of the two pools at the site having smiling selfies taken. A place of quiet reflection for me and most folks.

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  14. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    The Hun:

    Brayden Maynard’s week of anxiety is over, with the Collingwood defender free to take part in the remainder of the finals series after the AFL decided not to appeal Tuesday’s blockbuster tribunal verdict.

    Maynard was cleared on Tuesday of rough conduct for a bump that knocked out Melbourne’s Angus Brayshaw in a qualifying final win.

    Fair enough too by the AFL.

    It was very clear, from watching a montage of footage from that incident that Brayshaw was felled by a Direct Energy Weapon fired from the BOM observation post at the CBD GPO. A bank shot off Light Tower No.3.

    Wake up sheeple!

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  15. dover0beach Avatar

    Simon Knott
    @last_of_england
    ‘Eden Rock’ by the Cornish poet Charles Causley is one of his most moving, I think.

    ‘They are waiting for me somewhere beyond Eden Rock:
    My father, twenty-five, in the same suit
    Of Genuine Irish Tweed, his terrier Jack
    Still two years old and trembling at his feet.

    My mother, twenty-three, in a sprigged dress
    Drawn at the waist, ribbon in her straw hat,
    Has spread the stiff white cloth over the grass.
    Her hair, the colour of wheat, takes on the light.

    She pours tea from a Thermos, the milk straight
    From an old H.P. sauce-bottle, a screw
    Of paper for a cork; slowly sets out
    The same three plates, the tin cups painted blue.

    The sky whitens as if lit by three suns.
    My mother shades her eyes and looks my way
    Over the drifted stream. My father spins
    A stone along the water. Leisurely,

    They beckon to me from the other bank.
    I hear them call, ‘See where the stream-path is!
    Crossing is not as hard as you might think.’

    I had not thought that it would be like this.’

    A great poem.

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  16. JC Avatar
    JC

    Specifically related to WTC7, what was the objective there? Having dropped the twin towers and killed 3,000 people, what additional impact was achieved by imploding an evacuated building?

    You’d never been inside there. The worse rabbit Warren imaginable. Perhaps it was a quick and easy demo by the owner to collect insurance and start again. 🙂
    No, just kidding.
    I recall the sub-owner of the WTC (there was some complex ownership involved that I can’t exactly recall) tried to collect insurance twice over because he argued there were two events. It went nowhere but not because of lack of effort.

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  17. kneel Avatar
    kneel

    “Moreover their arguments are speciesist.”

    Wait, what? Is this person claiming Aboriginals are a different species?
    Shirley not.

  18. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    As for WTC 7, I wasn’t going to weigh in on that, but the funniest conspiracy hypothesis I ever read about its mysterious collapse involved the work of an FBI (or was it the CIA?) super secret agent squirrel team program being run out of that building

    Yes.
    The entire building was destroyed to cover up the covert operations of the FBI/CIA.
    And the building implosion was conducted by – wait for it – the FBI/CIA.
    Err, helloooo fckwits.
    Why wouldn’t that very same FBI/CIA ship any embarassing or incriminating material in the building to a high temperature incinerator in Upper Bumfeck Illinois?
    Yes.
    Implode the building.
    And risk the documents around the Grassy Knoll shooter floating on the breeze and landing on someone’s balcony five blocks away.

    mongs and morons

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  19. Steve trickler Avatar
    Steve trickler

    Dot
    Sep 13, 2023 3:01 PM
    Again, the only one mentioning a space laser is you. Why is that?

    Because you refuse to say where it was fired from, what the beam was rated at in wavelength or MJ/GeV, who fired it, why, under whose command or design, how it was powered and how they had the technology to modulate the beam to symmetrically demolish a geometrically shaped object.

    That’s why, you friggin’ turkey.

    Watch the Thomas Bearden clip I posted above you drip. It doesn’t come from a single source.

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  20. Dot Avatar

    Hmmm yes those NO voting, One Nation (PHON) voting electors insisting on an equal, colour-blind Australia under one flag are SO racist, they’re actually calling blacks “apes”.

    _________

    The YES campaign are huffing their own farts now.

  21. Dr Faustus Avatar
    Dr Faustus

    complicated explanations that do involve secret controlled demolition are a lot harder to add up without demanding suspension of disbelief.

    So the coherent opinion now is… what?

    Can’t make secret squirrel demolition work – for a whole bunch of practical reasons.
    So, until something more persuasive comes along, I’m stuck with fire and expansion and structural collapse.

  22. Dot Avatar

    “Watch a video”

    No, answer some friggin’ questions and stop playing pea and thimble games.

  23. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    iPhone 15, now with USB C. Now that really does need a space laser.

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  24. JC Avatar
    JC

    A friend, who was one of the 11 contractors took me down to the area around early 02. I can’t recall the exact month. I’d say 90% of the debris had been removed by that time but this is just an untrained estimate. There were traces of smoke coming up from the remaining pile and I recall asking if what that was all about . He said there were still small fires coming through the debris that still hadn’t gone, and this was months after.

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  25. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    Somehow the annual product unveils aren’t the same since Jobs died. The Jobs biography by Waterson is worth a trip to the library. We probably won’t see another one in our lifetimes.

  26. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    “Watch a video”

    Ah. That was Annie’s catchcry.

    That takes me back.

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  27. Dr Faustus Avatar
    Dr Faustus

    A place of quiet reflection for me and most folks.

    Yes.
    And the underground part of the memorial is surprisingly dignified and moving too. One of the things that struck me was that amongst all the emotive artefacts, there was a simple small plaque with the names of the arsewipes who commandeered the planes – with no other commentary. No American exceptionalism, no jingoism, or ritual abuse – just a record.

  28. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    The volume of reinforcing steel in concrete needs to be seen to be believed. Only a 6 storey apartment going up over the road but a couple of weeks between concrete pours for the lift shafts.

  29. dover0beach Avatar

    Might be worth bookmarking this page. It’s Baris’s prediction back in 2020. Seems pretty good and better than the vast majority.

  30. Johnny Rotten Avatar

    What was Biden Doing in Alaska?

    “For the first time, the president did not visit a 9/11 memorial on the day of the worst terrorist attack on US soil. Instead, the president traveled to Alaska to commit his own attack against the American people. Peter Doocy said that he received a response similar to “Well, presidents stopped visiting Hawaii 22 years after Pearl Harbor,” or in other words, the president does not feel obligated to honor the victims of the attack since it’s in the past. He claimed he was at ground zero on the very day of the attack, but records show that he clearly was not in New York. So why did Biden travel to Alaska? Biden announced he was canceling all drilling on Federal land in Alaska and termination existing permits. In unison, he prohibited liquid gas from being transported via train. This will put a strain on the supply chain as trucking is the only viable transportation method now.

    Demand will outweigh supply. Joe Biden drained America’s oil reserves when prices where skyrocketing and he was coming under pressure. The stockpile is at the lowest level since the 1980s, and since we cannot drill our own gas, we are at the mercy of our suppliers who continue to raise the price. Energy had never been an issue prior to Biden taking office and eliminating America’s energy independence.

    Is it even legal for the Biden Administration to cancel previously issues leases? Alaskan Governor Mike Dunleavy believes that Biden is bypassing the law and intends to sue his administration. Dunleavy noted that while the Secretary of the Department may cancel oil and gas leases issued in violation, no such violation exists. “The leases AIDEA hold in ANWR were legally issued in a sale mandated by Congress. It’s clear that President Biden needs a refresher on the Constitution’s separation of powers doctrine. Federal agencies don’t get to rewrite laws, and that is exactly what the Department of the Interior is trying to do here,” said Governor Mike Dunleavy. “We will fight for Alaska’s right to develop its own resources and will be turning to the courts to correct the Biden Administration’s wrong.”

    Democrats are upset at the ruling as it takes away jobs from native Alaskans. U.S. Rep. Mary Peltola, a Democrat, said that she will continue fighting the lease cancelations. “This makes absolutely no sense from any perspective unless your goal is to drive up the cost of oil and gas so much that it makes certain renewables cheaper,” Dunleavy told Fox News.

    Biden has just ensured rising energy costs for all Americans. This is so important to Biden and his handlers that they insisted on spending a national day of mourning in Alaska to reframe climate change as the larger threat to this nation. What does one do when the people in charge are deliberately ruining the nation? They can only blame Russia and climate change for so long until the masses wake up.”

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/what-is-biden-doing-in-alaska/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS

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  31. Rabz Avatar
    Rabz

    secret squirrel demolition work

    Apparently it was a super secret program that had trained squirrels (the rodents) to carry out covert spying ops, mainly around New York. The squirrels were housed in WTC 7 and were ordered by their CIA/FBI handlers to destroy the building so their existence wouldn’t be discovered.

    Or something like that. I haven’t read it for over twenty years but do remember finding it very funny at the time.

  32. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Knuckle Dragger

    Sep 13, 2023 3:09 PM

    The Hun:

    Brayden Maynard’s week of anxiety is over

    A couple of things.
    Firstly, I don’t have a huge problem with this, except Michael Christian has been loading blokes up for a lot less for two years.
    Secondly, I was surprised at Brayshaw’s lack of awareness. One golden rule for sneaky forwards is that, when your opponents feet have both left the ground, his ability to change direction is somewhat compromised. A Charlie Cameron type would have feigned the kick, waited for the jump and cruised around the defender to slot an easy goal from 40 metres.
    Had that happened the coach would have been up Maynard for over-committing.

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  33. GreyRanga Avatar
    GreyRanga

    “Perfesser Plankton”, Rabz an uptick would not give that remark the credit it deserves since I could only give it one. How do the left get so many stupid people that are supposedly university qualified. Have these sorts of people really ever passed any examinations or do they just roll up and collect the bit of paper for belonging to the collective? I can’t get my head around it, they seem to think just because they say something its true coz they want it to be.

  34. Chris Avatar
    Chris

    Applying the Rabz doctrine to the WTC Building 7 is a step too far, even for Trickler’s CIA handlers.

  35. flyingduk Avatar
    flyingduk

    Those behind it are counting on the ignorance of the masses to just write it off as conspiracy.

    This was, of course, the reason why the concept of ‘conspiracy theory’ was invented..

    Spoiler alert – some conspiracies are real – if they weren’t, we would have no need for the term.

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  36. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    A Charlie Cameron type would have feigned the kick, waited for the jump and cruised around the defender to slot an easy goal from 40 metres

    Well yes, but you’re forgetting the space laser vaporising death ray.

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  37. flyingduk Avatar
    flyingduk

    This may be an odd question, but what happens if despite the Trump popularity, the Republicans refuse to have him as the nominee, and go for someone else?

    Get a grip, that would be like the Democrats nobbling the peoples choice (Bernie last time, RFKJ this time) and the people rolling over and letting it happen…. oh, wait …..

  38. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    Interesting.
    The AFL has the vapourising death ray, but can’t tell if a ball has missed the goalpost by a foot.

  39. dover0beach Avatar

    This may be an odd question, but what happens if despite the Trump popularity, the Republicans refuse to have him as the nominee, and go for someone else?

    Republicans lose by 10 pts.

  40. GreyRanga Avatar
    GreyRanga

    Knuckles that video to watch was Looney Tunes. There were lots of them, really funny. Some thought they were true, a bit like Reality TV. I know you’ll be surprised that its not real but there you go. Neither is the Easter Bunny. Sorry.

  41. Mak Siccar Avatar
    Mak Siccar

    H B Bear
    Sep 13, 2023 3:31 PM
    The volume of reinforcing steel in concrete needs to be seen to be believed. Only a 6 storey apartment going up over the road but a couple of weeks between concrete pours for the lift shafts.

    In reinforced concrete columns, the cross-sectional area of the steel varies between 1% and 4% of the gross cross-sectional area of the column. If at the latter quantity, there is serious congestion around reinforcement splices and the like. Walls normally have much less than columns. Nevertheless, the amount of steel does look very large indeed.

  42. GreyRanga Avatar
    GreyRanga

    That death ray was the Illudium Q36 Explosive Space Modulator, invented years ago. Dontcha know history.

  43. Makka Avatar
    Makka

    Bay of Pigs, Gulf of Tonkin, JFK, 9/11, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Arab Spring, Ukraine 2014, Trump/Russia/FISA, 2020 stolen election, Covid 19, the Vaxx and then imprisonment, Biden Family are totally innocent, what laptop, what Inflation?

    Fer FS , after all this anyone believing the propaganda from “official sources” wants their head read. We are being lied to ALL THE TIME.

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  44. Sancho Panzer Avatar
    Sancho Panzer

    In reinforced concrete columns, the cross-sectional area of the steel varies between 1% and 4% of the gross cross-sectional area of the column. 

    I was talking to a God Oracle on the Metro tunnel project a couple of weeks ago, and he said the thing has specs akin to long span bridges.
    Monster amounts of steel reo.
    So much that the size of the aggregate has to be 8mm to get it in and around the steel.

  45. Chris Avatar
    Chris

    Get a grip, that would be like the Democrats nobbling the peoples choice (Bernie last time, RFKJ this time) and the people rolling over and letting it happen…. oh, wait …..

    The part that bothers me is AFTER the orange god is elected.
    The man couldn’t get a tiddlywinks team of effective and trustworthy people together last time. How in heck is he going to reform the Leviathan and restore democracy?

  46. Black Ball Avatar
    Black Ball

    The bickering over September 11 overlooks the fact close to 3000 people perished on that dark day. Maybe give it a rest?

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  47. JC Avatar
    JC

    Dover

    At no stage before the 20 election did Baris warn about cheating on the Demon side. He gave no warning. In fact the only two people that I read who were cautioning about a Trump loss due to cheating were infidel and Cronkite. Yes, I’m 100% correct: the only two!
    Why is Baris so special when he was so wrong. He wasn’t just acting as a poll expert but he was peddling himself as an election expert. Why should he have more cred coming into the 24 election?

    Perhaps you should entice Artie back and we’d have two election gurus :-).

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  48. Chris Avatar
    Chris

    Maybe give it a rest?

    OK with me.

  49. Robert Sewell Avatar

    Chris:

    The part that bothers me is AFTER the orange god is elected.
    The man couldn’t get a tiddlywinks team of effective and trustworthy people together last time. How in heck is he going to reform the Leviathan and restore democracy?

    That’s why I asked the question.
    What happens next?

  50. dover0beach Avatar

    At no stage before the 20 election did Baris warn about cheating on the Demon side. He gave no warning. In fact the only two people that I read who were cautioning about a Trump loss due to cheating were infidel and Cronkite. Yes, I’m 100% correct: the only two!

    Are you sure he or Barnes didn’t warn about the mail-in voting?

    Why is Baris so special when he was so wrong. He wasn’t just acting as a poll expert but he was peddling himself as an election expert. Why should he have more cred coming into the 24 election?

    Because his numbers for each were better than most or all other pundits.

  51. JC Avatar
    JC

    This may be an odd question, but what happens if despite the Trump popularity, the Republicans refuse to have him as the nominee, and go for someone else?

    Actually it’s not an odd question as has high odds, which I reckon would be close to 40% as a guess.

    The insurrection schtick is quite serious with people been put away for a very long time. I’m reading this as a strategy to potentially put Trump away in the clink. If some of these people are being jailed for insurrection when the most that could be said it was minor act of trespass what are the chances these convictions aren’t used to mail Trump? In a DC court too!

  52. Lysander Avatar
    Lysander

    Gone are the days of taking your sleeping bag to wait three days* for the latest iPhone… a “better” camera, USB-C (or whatevs), more memory are hardly more flash than the 14, or X for that matter…

    *i never did.

  53. JC Avatar
    JC

    Dover

    No, I don’t think he did and I spent time reading his comments. If he did, it wasn’t the major part of his thesis which was Trumpster would win.

  54. Steve trickler Avatar
    Steve trickler

    Dot
    Sep 13, 2023 3:18 PM
    “Watch a video”

    No, answer some friggin’ questions and stop playing pea and thimble games.

    Get of your arse and watch the clips. You’re instant dismissal is telling. Scalar technology exists. Fire two or more convergent beams into a single point ie from high powered radar stations focused on a single point and the sh*t hits the fan.

    Truth be told, the Bearden lecture is hard to follow because I am not a scientist, but, has been confirmed by others who are.. The tech exists. It is real and was used on 911; used in the Oklahoma City “Bombing”, Maui, Paradise California wild fires in witch all the structures were fried and not the vegetation ( Maui ) and will be used again.

    People now have the signs to look for. Car melted along side that tree that has only be singed from the heat.

    Come summertime, and it will be used in Australia again. Mark my words.

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  55. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Sancho Panzer
    Sep 13, 2023 2:35 PM
    Today’s rabbit burrow expedition has been brought to you by Feelthebern Inc.

    Part of me wants to apologise for sabotaging the Cat today with WTC7.
    But then scrolling through today’s work, it’s like an annual ritual where people get it out of their system.
    Like a going on a massive bender and then behaving yourself for the rest of the year.
    It’s good to blow the cobwebs out.

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  56. JC Avatar
    JC

    Nail, not mail

  57. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Are you sure he or Barnes didn’t warn about the mail-in voting?

    They said it was open to abuse.
    They had no idea about the size of the operation.

  58. Steve trickler Avatar
    Steve trickler

    Was about to post a short clip about DEW’s and 911 from last night and Y -Tube have deleted it already.

    Telling.

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  59. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Baris is good in statewide elections.
    In 2021, he got Virginia the most right of all the pundits.
    He re-wrote history after the midterms in 2022.
    He blew up in Arizona big time.

  60. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    Firstly, I don’t have a huge problem with this, except Michael Christian has been loading blokes up for a lot less for two years.

    Visits to the tribunal even more of a lottery during the finals. Been a few mystery results over the past few years, especially for “name”players. I don’t really have a problem with this one. AFL couldn’t really just let it go through to the keeper in the current environment.

  61. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    JC, can you repost the Trump video?

  62. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha Avatar
    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha

    Alan Clark’s book “Barbarossa” states that, at the outbreak of war on the Eastern Front, the Soviet inventory of tanks and aircraft exceeded the total of the rest of the world put together – two thousand of those aircraft were destroyed in the firs two days of that war.

    Clark also tells the story of one new German governor of the occupied territories, who forcibly impressed several of the local girls to form his harem.

    One of the girls planted an anti personnel mine, in his bed, which blew him to pieces.

    Strikes me that that young lady would have made a damnfine Kitteh.

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  63. H B Bear Avatar
    H B Bear

    Like a going on a massive bender and then behaving yourself for the rest of the year.

    Let the nanowrigglers out for a walk.

  64. Black Ball Avatar
    Black Ball

    Been a few mystery results over the past few years, especially for “name”players.

    Aye. One need only look at Patrick Cripps last year. The Brownlow shouldn’t be in his possession.

  65. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    These DEW pushers really need to understand how much energy is needed to do what they are saying over the distances they saying shit happened.
    We are talking Transformers or Star Wars.

    There is a big difference having some sound weapon that causes discomfort for punters at a protest than there is having something lighting fires or bringing down buildings from orbit.

  66. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    The twin towers were built as a steel tubular structural system that differed radically from other structures of that time. The exterior walls were built of closely spaced steel columns to perform as load bearing walls and the interior columns were located only in the core area containing the elevators

    https://web.mit.edu/civenv/wtc/PDFfiles/Chapter%20VI%20Materials%20&%20Structures.pdf

  67. Steve trickler Avatar
    Steve trickler

    feelthebern
    Sep 13, 2023 4:38 PM
    These DEW pushers really need to understand how much energy is needed to do what they are saying over the distances they saying shit happened.
    We are talking Transformers or Star Wars.

    There is a big difference having some sound weapon that causes discomfort for punters at a protest than there is having something lighting fires or bringing down buildings from orbit.

    Who says they are doing it from orbit?

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  68. JC Avatar
    JC

    Bern,

    I’ll try to find it.

    Here’s another. Of course the Trumpster witnessed it from his window.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcKlPhFIE7w

    He’s like Where’s Waldo.

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  69. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    Thanks JC, will have look.

  70. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    That death ray was the Illudium Q36 Explosive Space Modulator, invented years ago. Dontcha know history.

    Golden! Warner Bros could do stuff back then. Sadly they’ve declined now into woke like Disney.

    Haredevil Hare (1948)

  71. Steve trickler Avatar
    Steve trickler

    People are just shooting their mouths off on the subject like they’ve known about it all along.

    Good God.

  72. Cassie of Sydney Avatar
    Cassie of Sydney

    “Diogenes
    Sep 13, 2023 9:28 AM”

    I think you said it best.

  73. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    Robert Sewell
    Sep 13, 2023 2:49 PM

    This may be an odd question, but what happens if despite the Trump popularity, the Republicans refuse to have him as the nominee, and go for someone else?

    Then they would ensure their own loss and Democrats’ win, more than half of Republican voters would stay home.

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  74. calli Avatar
    calli

    Here’s another. Of course the Trumpster witnessed it from his window.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcKlPhFIE7w

    That’s a really interesting video/interview.

    Firstly, the respect shown from the interviewers…amazing how all that changed.

    Also, in answer to where did all the material go – 600mm of debris in Wall St and to the Brooklyn Bridge. Hard to imagine.

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  75. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    feelthebern
    Sep 13, 2023 4:33 PM
    Baris is good in statewide elections.
    In 2021, he got Virginia the most right of all the pundits.
    He re-wrote history after the midterms in 2022.
    He blew up in Arizona big time.

    He blew up big time in Arizona because they cheated big time. How can you possibly have a candidate for governor at the election overseeing the election as was the case with the current governor?

  76. DrBeauGan Avatar
    DrBeauGan

    It’s instructive to observe how people who have never troubled to learn anything about material physics or structures will, given a catastrophe involving the same, feel entirely free to pontificate. These people have not the faintest notion of the extent of their ignorance.

    The same can be said of other matters; anthropogenic global warming being an obvious example.

    It’s an educational failure. The teachers haven’t let their students discover their inadequacies. It’s gone on for generations now, and too late to fix it. We’re finished. All civilisations fall apart eventually; all we can do is enjoy the decadence.

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  77. Dot Avatar

    Truth be told, the Bearden lecture is hard to follow because I am not a scientist, but, has been confirmed by others who are.. The tech exists. It is real and was used on 911; used in the Oklahoma City “Bombing”, Maui, Paradise California wild fires in witch all the structures were fried and not the vegetation ( Maui ) and will be used again.

    You are not only of low intelligence and poorly educated but you are a disgrace.

    9/11, Oklahoma City bombing were really done with space lasers, FMD this is dumb and sick.

    Your proof is people are unwilling to watch absolutely nonsensical videos that rely on emotive persuasion instead of actual evidence.

    Just log off.

    Go to Scarborough beach and keep swimming until you hit Madagascar.

  78. Dot Avatar

    “Scalar weapons”

    Which apparently operate on the sum of two vectors.

    World class asshattery.

  79. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    He blew up big time in Arizona because they cheated big time.

    Yes.
    And aspects of the cheating were telegraphed back in January 2022.
    By McCain Republicans.

  80. JC Avatar
    JC

    Doc
    I believe you are simply being your negative self. This is a contemporary take on small-talk. People used to chatter endlessly at the kitchen table or in the tavern back in the day. Do you honestly believe that people didn’t opine about difficult issues back then but had no idea WTF they were talking about?

    Be a little more expansive. Even the so-called experts are guessing, even though there is some idiotic shit being talked here since testing a theory is the only way to be 95% confident. Only by constructing an exact replica of the 911 structure and ramming powerful jets into it and having all sorts of sensors could the effects of the attack truly be tested. Hence the conjecture.

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  81. Mak Siccar Avatar
    Mak Siccar

    Sancho Panzer
    Sep 13, 2023 4:10 PM
    In reinforced concrete columns, the cross-sectional area of the steel varies between 1% and 4% of the gross cross-sectional area of the column.

    I was talking to a God Oracle on the Metro tunnel project a couple of weeks ago, and he said the thing has specs akin to long span bridges.
    Monster amounts of steel reo.
    So much that the size of the aggregate has to be 8mm to get it in and around the steel.

    Quite so. Particularly if the concrete is sprayed or pumped.

  82. Steve trickler Avatar
    Steve trickler

    Throwing another curve ball. All those incredible structures built in the 1800’s? F*ck off!

    Try about a thousand years prior.

    Lies have been told.

    Ancient Budapest?

  83. JC Avatar
    JC

    Bern

    I’m heading out for dins, I’ll look again for the vid when I get back. I checked my history and it’s wall to wall Trump so it’s hard to find or where I originally found it.

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  84. Steve trickler Avatar
    Steve trickler

    Dot
    Sep 13, 2023 5:21 PM
    “Scalar weapons”

    Which apparently operate on the sum of two vectors.

    World class asshattery.

    Poor Dot.

  85. Knuckle Dragger Avatar
    Knuckle Dragger

    9/11, Oklahoma City bombing were really done with space lasers, FMD this is dumb and sick

    Oooooh, they were so done with space lasers. So were:

    The 2004 Indonesian tsunami
    Collingwood’s 2018 GF loss to West Coast
    Black Saturday (1939 and 2009)
    The land bridge between Australia and PNG
    Molly Meldrum’s ladder ‘accident’
    The 1970 West Gate Bridge collapse
    Hiroshima and Nagasaki, 1945
    Derryn Hinch’s repeated liver failures
    Moses parting the Red Sea
    Bodyline, 1931-32

    God, you people. Educate yourselves.

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  86. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    here’s a theory.

    the WTC buildings were targeted precisely because their ability stand up relied on both the integrity of the building’s outer skin and the interlocking floor system

    penetrating the outer and destroying multiple floors
    and with the likelihood of ongoing fire
    probably sealed the deal.

    I reckon they knew there was a strong chance they could take them down

  87. Chris Avatar
    Chris

    KD, I am in awe.

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  88. calli Avatar
    calli

    Matrix, even had the buildings not collapsed, it would “send a message”…we can get you where you work and live.

    The Pentagon, another target, was a hopeless one if destruction was the aim. Again another message…we can get your military hq too.

    The last one, the unsuccessful one, was destined (supposedly) for Washington. The message from that is a no-brainer.

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  89. Robert Sewell Avatar

    MSNBC Columnist Says Trump “Must Die In Prison” to Send a Message to the Public That “You Can’t Do This”

    “I think Donald Trump must die in prison because I don’t care if he was 45 years old. You should get life in prison if you attempt a coup, and there should be no chance of parole. I don’t care who it is,” the radio host said in a recent interview with a Mediaite reporter, according to Fox News.

    Dean Obeidallah insisted the former president die in prison for daring to challenge the 2020 election to send a message to the public that “you can’t do this.”

  90. Rosie Avatar
    Rosie

    Not as if the same mob hadn’t tried before.

  91. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    When you YouTube “trump, 9/11, towers” you get about a million videos.
    Don’t sweat it if you can’t find it.

  92. Steve trickler Avatar
    Steve trickler

    Knuckle Dragger
    Sep 13, 2023 5:37 PM

    The top of the building had two circular entry points from above after which they covered in tarps.

    A newspaper building down road almost a km ( ? ) away were rooted. H/t Harry Mason – Bright Skies. Cracked to shit.

    Did you know that?

  93. Dot Avatar

    I reckon they knew there was a strong chance they could take them down

    Well..,bin Laden had trained as an engineer, a good educated guess probably.

  94. Peter Greagg Avatar
    Peter Greagg

    From the Oz, Terry McCrann getting stuck into the government.

    Qantas-Qatar debacle exposes government’s dysfunction
    TERRY MCCRANN

    The Catherine King Qantas-Qatar debacle is a searing pointer to the much broader and deeper dysfunction of the Albanese Labor Government, and that is so increasingly reminiscent of its Whitlam predecessor.

    There are three core elements of this already extremely damaging dysfunction – damaging obviously to the government politically, but already doing serious damage to Australia and to you.

    The first is the absentee leader.
    No prime minister has spent more time out of the country in his or her first 15 months than Mr Albanese. Indeed, it isn’t even close.

    It even feels he has effectively relocated from The Lodge, and of course the Harbourside mansion, to our Downunder Airforce One; making only occasional visits back to our shores.

    It’s not simply the case that: when the cat’s away, the mice – and boy, there sure are plenty of them in the Albanese cabinet – don’t simply play but run wild.

    When he is occasionally back, he’s anyway investing all his time and political energy on a vanity – and now, clearly, about to fail – project like The Voice.
    To borrow from an earlier political era: how many chickens will The Voice put in any ovens?

    No, it’s made worse, so much worse, by the second element – the way, by design or default, each cabinet minister has been given their head to run off on any frolic they care to.

    We have a government – and a reality for 26m Australians, heading very rapidly to 30m – that is defined by an energy minister actively embarked on destroying our electricity system, and an IR minister punitively re-regulating industrial relations.

    Does the globe-trotting PM care about the consequences of any of this? Does he even know about them?

    Sure, they might individually be broadly in line with agreed government policy. Like net zero.

    But where’s any sense of co-ordination? Of Overall cabinet and especially prime ministerial control?

    That brings us to a third element – the MIA, missing-in-action, Treasurer.

    Arguably the most crucial element in the political and policy successes of the Hawke and Howard governments were the two treasurers, Keating and Costello.

    First, by keeping an iron grip on the purse-strings; but also in sticking their noses into every other cabinet minister’s business.

    Do you really thunk, that Keating would have been content to have “not been consulted” on the Qatar decision? As he would have seen the range of broader issues it raised?

    What have we really seen from this treasurer so far?

    A budget surplus? Yes, by merely riding the massive surge in commodity exports and prices.

    And of course his appointment of the RBA deputy to succeed the current governor; like every other treasurer bar two have done?

    It was quite clear before the election that the success – both political and in policy terms – was going to revolve around incoming treasurer Chalmers.

    That’s of course, success or failure. He had to deliver the hard edge and the control or nobody would.

    And that was before we knew the PM was only going to be in Australia on weekends, so to speak.

    It’s a disastrous cocktail. It’s only going to get worse.

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  95. feelthebern Avatar
    feelthebern

    If governments were serious about disinformation they would have had a network special on how two planes full of fuel slamming into buildings just might cause the things to collapse.

  96. DrBeauGan Avatar
    DrBeauGan

    Doc
    I believe you are simply being your negative self. This is a contemporary take on small-talk. People used to chatter endlessly at the kitchen table or in the tavern back in the day. Do you honestly believe that people didn’t opine about difficult issues back then but had no idea WTF they were talking about?

    There have always been ignorant nitwits in the pubs pontificating on things they knew nothing about. Informed people ignored it. The problems arise when the ‘elites’ are also ignorant nitwits. Such is now the case.

  97. MatrixTransform Avatar
    MatrixTransform

    even had the buildings not collapsed, it would “send a message”

    yep

    and the message was ‘you bring your war to us, and we’ll bring it back to you’

    Apparently, Sevastopol port is burning as we type

    things are not good

  98. Peter Greagg Avatar
    Peter Greagg

    KD, I’m not a hater, but as I recall the Bodyline Series was 1932-33.

    A slip of the keyboard?

    Knuckle Dragger
    Sep 13, 2023 5:37 PM
    9/11, Oklahoma City bombing were really done with space lasers, FMD this is dumb and sick

    Oooooh, they were so done with space lasers. So were:

    The 2004 Indonesian tsunami
    Collingwood’s 2018 GF loss to West Coast
    Black Saturday (1939 and 2009)
    The land bridge between Australia and PNG
    Molly Meldrum’s ladder ‘accident’
    The 1970 West Gate Bridge collapse
    Hiroshima and Nagasaki, 1945
    Derryn Hinch’s repeated liver failures
    Moses parting the Red Sea
    Bodyline, 1931-32

    God, you people. Educate yourselves.

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  99. Bruce of Newcastle Avatar
    Bruce of Newcastle

    It’s an educational failure.

    Bit of a worry that STEM uni entrants can’t now add 1/2 + 1/3.

    We’re finished. All civilisations fall apart eventually; all we can do is enjoy the decadence.

    Mine is a Grant Burge Cabernet Merlot 2021. Cheap and yummy. I await the end of the world in fire, or something.

    (Just gave a lump of mince to southern mapgie male, it’s right on dusk here at the Cafe. His kids might be starving! Not. Life goes on.)

  100. Crossie Avatar
    Crossie

    Dean Obeidallah insisted the former president die in prison for daring to challenge the 2020 election to send a message to the public that “you can’t do this.”

    I’m sure American voters are getting the message, they better vote for Democrats and if anyone questions the results they will die in jail. Have they built their Lubyanka yet or will they have political prisons like Saddam Hussein?

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