Open Thread – New Year’s Day 2024


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Zatara
Zatara
January 2, 2024 3:23 pm

Right now, non-nuclear Iran is in the position to do terrible conventional damage to the Israeli population with its ballistic and cruise missiles.

No it isn’t.

Iraq fired 42 SCUD missiles at Israel in Jan-Fed of 1991 killing 2 Israeli civilians. Anti missile defenses in Israel have improved in number and quality since then to the point where Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis have fired thousands of missiles, rockets, artillery and mortar shells at Israel in the last 3 months causing no significant damage to Israel.

Sure, and Iran has sufficient conventional ballistic and cruise missiles to flatten Israel’s key infrastructure.

Really? How many tons of conventional munitions does it take to flatten a country’s key infrastructure? Assuming one can deliver any on target of course. 8th Air Force + Bomber Command’s numbers from WWII might be informative here. Or US tonnage delivered to North Vietnam. Put simply, Iran has neither the tonnage nor the means to deliver it on-target.

Zafiro
Zafiro
January 2, 2024 3:26 pm

It’s estimate Israel has around 200 nuclear weapons that can be delivered by missile, subs, and by air. They are also supposed to have suit case nukes.

I have one in my wallet.

JC
JC
January 2, 2024 3:32 pm

No, Israel struck first in the Six-Day War.

Struck as in fired the first salvo. It’s not as though the other side wasn’t prepared for a clash. They were, so it matters little who started it. It just matters who won…. in 6 days.

Johnny Rotten
January 2, 2024 3:34 pm

I had had a continuing smoldering fury about the treatment of Jews in Germany.

– J. Robert Oppenheimer

JC
JC
January 2, 2024 3:40 pm

Dover, you’ve used this curveball a few times from memory. Israel stuck first because those camel heads were massing troops on the border and in that case it was obviously a better choice for Israel to smash the bastards first. It made no difference who fired the first shot due to the abominable behavior of the towel heads.

If a neighbor comes to his neighbors fence with armed with a gun after they’ve had a heated argument and the non-intrusive neighbor has access to a gun, then it’s purely defensive on his part to shoot first if he believes the intrusive neighbor is approaching with bad intentions.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 2, 2024 3:41 pm

JC
Jan 2, 2024 2:52 PM

It’s Gaygate.

Ackman. He won’t stop until the gay woman is gone and the board is reconstituted.

New whistleblower complaint alleging 50 instances of plagiarism by @Harvard
President Gay.

The odds of an academic in their mid 50’s or 60’s having plagiarised once – and only once – is vanishingly small.
No doubt her sloppiest attempts will date back to the 90’s when sophisticated detection methods were in their infancy.

Black Ball
Black Ball
January 2, 2024 3:41 pm

I’m sure Mark Dreyfus will weigh in. Daily Telegraph:

Commonwealth prosecutors have failed in a bid to stop embattled ex-MP Craig Thomson from flying to India for work, despite warning the former Central Coast politician could flee from authorities while out of the country.

Thomson, a one-time Health Services Union secretary who held the federal seat of Dobell from 2007 to 2013, is due to face back-to-back trials in October this year over his alleged involvement in separate migration visa and Covid support payment frauds, which are alleged to have netted him millions of dollars.

The 59-year-old’s current bail conditions on both sets of charges require him to report to police multiple times a week and prohibit him from possessing a passport or approaching international airports.

So can’t have a passport yet can travel to India. Um, how can this happen?

Johnny Rotten
January 2, 2024 3:41 pm

The way to win an atomic war is to make certain it never starts.

– Omar N. Bradley

JC
JC
January 2, 2024 3:44 pm

JC, the payloads will already be in the air before the first nuke has struck.

Not so, if the first load were sent by subs or by FedEx (planes). Then those conventional missiles would have to get through the anti-missiles defenses.

And even if they hit one or more launch site quickly enough their are many others that will successfully launch while others are mobile and difficult to target. This is just the reality.

A nuclear EMP attack would destroy their capability.

Also, towel head lines of communication are very tardy , as in top down. I’m sure this hasn’t changed much.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
January 2, 2024 3:48 pm

So if China sends 50% of their navy and parks them off our coast, and puts significant numbers of war planes in surrounding countries along with a million soldiers and an Australian fires a shot at a landing craft WE STARTED IT. Get real.

JC
JC
January 2, 2024 3:49 pm

Wodney, would you mind asking Marty to find out from Socrates the exact date of the nuclear clash between Israel and Iran as I’d really like to short some consumer stocks while going long domestic oil stocks, 24 hours before that.

No Nancy pants crap like rough estimates. Exact date and time.

Chop chop!.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
January 2, 2024 3:51 pm

Comedy gold.

—-

Superwogs:

Police Officers

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 2, 2024 3:54 pm

Well I still remember the 6 day war, you know the one where the Arabs attacked Israel and everyone said Israel was finished!

I think you might mean the 1973 Yom Kippur war, where Egyptian forces crossed the Suez Canal and pushed the Israeli Army back. The Israeli Air Force also suffered severe losses in the first few days.

However, the IDF advanced, crossed the Canal, and surrounded the Egyptian force.

Syria also had a go on the Golan Heights, advanced a bit, but then suffered heavy losses.

Dot
Dot
January 2, 2024 3:56 pm

Big_Nambas
Jan 2, 2024 3:48 PM
So if China sends 50% of their navy and parks them off our coast, and puts significant numbers of war planes in surrounding countries along with a million soldiers and an Australian fires a shot at a landing craft WE STARTED IT. Get real.

Unless you’re Russia. Then the other country never really existed and you have every right to take their land and natural resources.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
January 2, 2024 3:57 pm

Who argued conventional weapons were more devastating than nuclear? No one.

You have all throughout this discussion, indirectly so. You don’t have to unambiguously state the obvious for the obvious to come to light.

As kids, we argued over whether Batman could beat Spiderman.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 2, 2024 4:00 pm

Dover

JC, the payloads will already be in the air before the first nuke has struck. And even if they hit one or more launch site quickly enough their are many others that will successfully launch while others are mobile and difficult to target. This is just the reality.

How many ballistic missiles does Iran have? What is their individual and collective throw weight? CEP?

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 2, 2024 4:02 pm

BB

So can’t have a passport yet can travel to India. Um, how can this happen?

Maaaaaaates. In positions of authority in the public service.

JC
JC
January 2, 2024 4:08 pm

Tickler, That’s freaking hilarious.

Best one: You’re tires are balder than your stupid head.

KevinM
KevinM
January 2, 2024 4:12 pm

OldOzzie
Jan 2, 2024 1:10 PM

Every Exercise you need to live to 100 – Week 1
Matt Roberts – The Telegraph

Maaate, if I could do any of that I wouldn’t need doing them.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 2, 2024 4:13 pm

dover0beach
Jan 2, 2024 3:48 PM
First, what are the estimated CEPs of Iranian ballistic and cruise missiles?

Second, what size HE warheads do they carry?

See here.

Thanks.

Of that extensive list, only the Sejjil and Shahab 3 MRBMs and the Soumar cruise missiles are both operational and have the necessary range to reach Israel. No data on warhead size or CEP have been provided. Nor any estimate of numbers deployed.

Others are listed as “Under development”. Maybe they will get there, and maybe they won’t.

This seems a risky way to plan a war that could bring a nuclear response. But then, as highlighted above, the Mullahs are MAD.

JC
JC
January 2, 2024 4:15 pm

But then, as highlighted above, the Mullahs are MAD.

Sure, but I don’t want the mullahs to suffer.

calli
calli
January 2, 2024 4:20 pm

But, look, I don’t want to be have multiple arguments occurring simultaneously .

It’s the Gordian Knot of the ME. Get used to it.

And make sure you apply lots of WD40 (or maybe axle grease) so you can slip out of it before it strangles you. You’ll never untie it.

Top Ender
Top Ender
January 2, 2024 4:22 pm

Iran sends warship to Red Sea after Houthi rebels attack ships

Interesting. Iran operates 15 seven-man midget submarines.

Shades of Sydney Harbour!

Carpe Jugulum
Carpe Jugulum
January 2, 2024 4:22 pm

David Schwimmer (From the TV Show Friends), had gone off on the lack of acknowledgement of the &/10 brutality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6732kPauyYE

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 2, 2024 4:23 pm

It wasn’t Fisk I was thinking about. It was Rabz. Who is, I’m happy to note, still with us and going well.

JC
JC
January 2, 2024 4:26 pm

Non sequitur.

No it isn’t.

1. Sub attack would have much short range,

2. Planes are likely to be stealth.

Your non-sequitur, became a non-sequitur.

The risk works both ways.

Not really, as a nuke missile doesn’t have to be dead accurate (approximate is good enough) and also likely to be hardened.

shatterzzz
January 2, 2024 4:30 pm

Who would buy his cap? You’d have to be a bona fide crikkit tragic.

Up on Ebay with “bonus” sandpaper ……. LOL!

calli
calli
January 2, 2024 4:33 pm

Who would buy his cap?

Fumigate first. With a certificate to prove it.

bons
bons
January 2, 2024 4:40 pm

I had forgotten about Robert Fisk. What a creep. He and Pilger must have shared the same egg.

Endless amusement when the prick went into southern Afghanistan to cause trouble and was beaten to a pulp by the locals. A misunderstanding his apologists claimed.

shatterzzz
January 2, 2024 4:41 pm

So can’t have a passport yet can travel to India. Um, how can this happen?

Questios, questions .. ? ..
If he made $millions from Bat Flu scams why would he need to work .. anywhere ..?
and, more importantly, .. who the hell would employ a bloke with his CV ..?

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
January 2, 2024 4:43 pm

Steve trickler
Jan 2, 2024 3:51 PM

Comedy gold.

Thanks for that! Camel toes must be registered! Pissed myself (literally) laughing.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
January 2, 2024 4:49 pm

Two questions.
First, what are the estimated CEPs of Iranian ballistic and cruise missiles?
Second, what size HE warheads do they carry?

Bonus question, do they possess chemical or biological weapons?

Firstly, I’m very far from military anything – but I keep an interested eye on what might upset energy flows in and through the Middle East. I’m aware that Iran has thousands of conventional missiles at its command, many of which are capable of hitting (say) a target like Tel Aviv, if that was what they wanted to do.

So, potentially hundreds of tonnes of HE randomly falling on civilians – which for me would be pretty terrible damage.

My main observation is that while the Iranians talk a red-hot jihad against Israel – they don’t do much of anything directly. Presumably because, if not for the fig leaf of deniability, they have a reasonable fear of receiving even more terrible damage in return.

It seems that martyrdom is for little, far away people.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 2, 2024 4:51 pm

Echoing sentiments aired earlier today in this august journal of record – the little cheat’s ‘hide my cap and pretend it’s lost so I can get another and then sell both’ scam might be getting a little out of shape (the Hun):

The Australian government has been urged to get involved in the search for David Warner’s missing baggy greens after the retiring Test opener revealed they had gone missing less than a day out from the Sydney Test.

Warner took to Instagram on Tuesday with a passionate plea for the backpack containing his two baggy green caps to be returned as his farewell Test was thrown into chaos.

This government’s been useless at everything else – it may as well be useless at looking for a hat. And yes, as mentioned earlier – you are only ever issued one Baggy Green at a time.

The backpack was inside Warner’s larger luggage and despite Cricket Australia’s security team trawling through several sets of CCTV footage, no culprit has been found.

Sure. It’s a wonder Warner didn’t claim he’d been Schapelled* while he was at it.

Warner’s plea was supported by opposing captain Shan Masood who used his pre-match press conference on Tuesday to call for the bag’s return.

“I think there should be a countrywide search right now from the Australian government, to make sure we might need the best detectives to get that back,” Masood said.

Up until very recently, the bloke running Masood’s country was Imran Khan, who may have taken a greater interest in a ‘missing’ cricket cap than Elbow.

Warner’s sentiments were backed up by the Australian Cricketers’ Association with CEO Todd Greenberg joining the chorus of those calling for the backpack’s return.

“It would be nice for Dave to walk onto the SCG for his last Test match with his baggy green,” Greenberg said.

Then all Warner needs to do is ‘find’ his Baggy Green, wear it on field for the last time and keep his own personal embarrassment at trying this scam on at a minimum.

*Had his bag packed with gunja and then blamed someone else.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 2, 2024 4:53 pm

dover0beach
Jan 2, 2024 4:20 PM
Of that extensive list, only the Sejjil and Shahab 3 MRBMs and the Soumar cruise missiles are both operational and have the necessary range to reach Israel. No data on warhead size or CEP have been provided. Nor any estimate of numbers deployed.

Look harder.

I have looked harder. Perhaps my aging eyes are inadequate. Could you list the other Iranian missiles that are operational and have a range greater than 800 kms (which is required to reach Israel).

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 2, 2024 4:55 pm

shatterzzz
Jan 2, 2024 4:41 PM
So can’t have a passport yet can travel to India. Um, how can this happen?

Questios, questions .. ? ..

and, more importantly, .. who the hell would employ a bloke with his CV ..?

People who want to use his contacts to scam the immigration system.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 2, 2024 4:58 pm

Dover

No, really. If you don’t have a good idea of their accuracy, number, and payload, the risk works both ways.

All questions I have posed a number of times, using different terminology.

Accuracy = CEP.

Payload = warhead size.

Number = How many.

H B Bear
H B Bear
January 2, 2024 5:07 pm

Lost baggy green before your final Test? Yeah …Nah. Reeks of Candice.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 2, 2024 5:08 pm

Dr F

A different list to Dover’s, with more types having the range to reach Israel. What is not clear is the number of each type available. Presumably the MAD Mullahs know that number (or, at least, know the number their reasonably frightened staff give them).

I suspect that their capability is not going to match Hamburg, Dresden or the Tokyo fire raid, but would be sufficiently damaging to cause an overkill reaction. Israel could survive and re-build. Iran would not.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 2, 2024 5:09 pm

Dr F

And Iran could not produce a new Holocaust with only their missiles. Many thousand dead, not millions.

Johnny Rotten
January 2, 2024 5:10 pm

Ukraine Cannot Pay Govt in 2024 Without Billions from the West

“Most do not realize that the West has been funding Ukraine’s entire government. Biden and other world leaders have promised Zelensky that they would fund the salaries and pensions for all Ukrainian politicians and government workers. Yuliia Svyrydenko, First Deputy Prime Minister, issued a warning that Ukraine will be unable to pay MILLIONS of government employees if the West does not resume payments.

The figures are correct. The West has the salaries of 500,000 Ukrainian civil servants on its payroll, along with 1.4 million teachers. The highest priced item is the 10 MILLION pensioners living completely off of foreign aid. Svyrydenko demands at least $37 billion to fund Ukraine’s government into 2024.

Congress blocked Joe Biden’s most recent attempt to send Ukraine over $60 billion. In return, Biden threatened to send American troops to the frontlines to die. The European Union, and the unelected officials at the top, attempted to send Ukraine an additional €50 billion but Hungary vetoed that support package. The EU is now looking for a loophole to send €20 billion to Ukraine without Hungary’s approval since the EU is not a union.

How can you effectively sell this idea to Europeans and North Americans amid the current cost of living crisis? The majority now realize that Ukraine will never stop begging for money. No amount will fuel the insatiable appetite of the most corrupt government in Europe. The funding mentioned is only for Ukraine’s government employees and does not include spending on the military, infrastructure, humanitarian aid, etc. Don’t forget we are also funding a war in the Middle East now too. Europe and North America cannot fund their own pension programs, and we will soon see a major pension crisis when the Baby Boomer generation leaves the workforce.

When will the people draw the line? This is what happens when you have taxation without any representation.”

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/war/ukraine-cannot-pay-govt-in-2024-without-billions-from-the-west/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RS

And the Tennis Elbow Mob have been sending millions of Kangaroo pesos to the UKR along with military equipment. What with that and the money spent/wasted on “Da Voice”, that could have been spent here to help with the ‘Cost of Living Crisis’.

What abaat’ the Workers Albo? Are you listening or are you Deaf (Dumb and Blind)?

Out yer’ go in 2025 and Good Riddance.

JC
JC
January 2, 2024 5:14 pm

Not so, if the first load were sent by subs or by FedEx (planes). Then those conventional missiles would have to get through the anti-missiles defenses.

It’s to argue the problems and limitations the Iranians would have in order to break through

1. Subs and FesEx

2. Anti-missile defence.

Johnny Rotten
January 2, 2024 5:16 pm

As kids, we argued over whether Batman could beat Spiderman.

Bats eat spiders and other stuff.

JC
JC
January 2, 2024 5:16 pm

Oh Lord

More garbage.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 2, 2024 5:18 pm

dover0beach
Jan 2, 2024 5:02 PM
I have looked harder. Perhaps my aging eyes are inadequate. Could you list the other Iranian missiles that are operational and have a range greater than 800 kms (which is required to reach Israel).

Have you tried clicking the links for each individual missile type?

That doesn’t increase the number of types that can reach Israel.

The two MRBMs give warhead weights, but offer no CEPs. To get the necessary range, the Shahad 3 would need to restrict its warhead to less than the theoretical maximum. The cruise missile link does not give a warhead weight, nor a CEP.

See my comment to Dr F at 1708.

Vicki
Vicki
January 2, 2024 5:19 pm

It’s the Gordian Knot of the ME. Get used to it.
And make sure you apply lots of WD40 (or maybe axle grease) so you can slip out of it before it strangles you. You’ll never untie it.

Alexander is said to have encountered this mythical contraption in the form of an attachment to an ox cart in Gordium. Typical of Alexander, instead of puzzling over untying it, he drew his sword and severed it.

That is also the style of Israel.

JC
JC
January 2, 2024 5:20 pm

Bats eat spiders and other stuff.

And you spam the site with dickhead crap. Why don’t you just piss off to the faulty site, you ignorant limey pos. Stop fcking spamming all day long.

Johnny Rotten
January 2, 2024 5:23 pm

Never make predictions, especially about the future.

– Casey Stengel

JC
JC
January 2, 2024 5:24 pm

The typical upbringing of a low rent limey with chipped up shoulders.

No sense of embarrassed either.

JC
JC
January 2, 2024 5:29 pm

Never make predictions, especially about the future.

How does that work with your spamming, you low IQ moron?

The fraud you actively promote here all day and everyday claims he predicted

1. The 87 crash

2. 911

To the exact day.

You thick incompetent , incomprehensible limey wog.

You’re to stupid even for the faulty blog.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 2, 2024 5:30 pm

The interim report into the Seaworld helicopter collision has been released.
It appears to be a massive fence-sitting exercise, but there are some hints as to what they might find:-

The 5-minute scenic flights were to follow the same counter-clockwise orbit, with the inbound helicopter, registration VH-XH9 (XH9) on approach to land at the heliport to the south and the outbound helicopter, registration VH-XKQ (XKQ) having departed the pad to the north from within the theme park.

The same orbit?
That raises some questions about how the flight paths intersected, and is complicated by the fact that the aircraft were using separate landing pads about 200 metres apart.
Assume the “orbit” is clockwise, and the landing pads are at 5 o’clock and 6 o’clock on this imaginary orbit. What was the procedure for departing and arriving at each pad to avoid conflict? Of course, with the pads only 200 metres apart, prevailing winds might mean this is a day to day or hour by hour flight planning exercise.

In XH9, the track southbound along the Broadwater provided a clear view of the helipads at Sea World. The pilot of XH9 stated that, while transiting the Broadwater, they saw passengers being loaded into XKQ and the doors of XKQ closing. The pilot of XH9 recalled that their assessment at the time was that they would be clear of XKQ and that it would pass behind them. Therefore, they did not make any further radio calls.

This is a bit of a worry. Inbound pilot (XH9) sees the doors close on the aircraft on the ground. Now this isn’t the doors closing on a 737 at Mascot, which means it might push back in 5-10 minutes. He knows that aircraft is going to launch within 10, 20, 30 seconds, because that is the nature of these brief tourist flights. It is poor airmanship to “make an assessment” without positive comms with another pilot who you know has probably now taken off. Even if company procedures say XKQ should have flown a different (non conflicting) departure path, or he hadn’t heard a taxi call from XKQ, prudence still demands that XH9 make some sort of clarifying call on the Southport CTAF (Common Traffic Advisory Frequency).
Nothing fancy. Just informative.

“This does not necessarily mean that a taxi call was not made, and the ATSB investigation will undertake a detailed analysis of the nature of the radio calls made,” Mr Mitchell noted.

They will never know, because ground calls are often not picked up and recorded as this is done at Southport airfield, about 4 NM away and it didn’t pick up low altitude or ground comms from Seaworld.

Mr Mitchell said the investigation will also look more broadly beyond the issues of radio calls and visibility.

More broadly?
What could that mean?

“The ATSB will also consider the operator’s procedures and practices for operating scenic flights in the Sea World area and the process for implementing the recently-acquired EC130 helicopters into operation, and will review the regulatory surveillance of the operator and similar operators.”

The aircraft have a form of “black box” (Spider Tracks Spider X) which has rudimentary data taken at fairly frequent intervals, including altitude (subject to slight variation), position, roll/yaw/pitch, and vertical speed. I wouldn’t mind betting someone is carefully plotting that data against what the company procedures say should happen (if they say anything at all).

The two Eurocopter EC130 helicopters were being operated by Sea World Helicopters (a separate corporate entity to the theme park) on 5-minute scenic flights.

There’s your problem right there. Quick turnaround five minute flights with four or five aircraft being operated by different companies in a relatively tight airspace.
You can expect the laissez faire regulation around high density CTAFs like Southport to change.
(Cue howls of “safety-ism! from the usuals).

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
January 2, 2024 5:34 pm

Dr F
And Iran could not produce a new Holocaust with only their missiles. Many thousand dead, not millions.

I could be wrong, but I suspect that the Ayatollery don’t really work on the basis that millions of dead Israeli’s (rather than ‘only’ thousands) is a fair exchange for millions of Iranian martyrs and a cratered country. Particularly if they themselves are likely amongst that lucky number.

As I say, they talk a big game.

Zatara
Zatara
January 2, 2024 5:36 pm

Typical of Alexander, instead of puzzling over untying it, he drew his sword and severed it.

That is also the style of Israel.

And Indiana Jones

Winston Smith
January 2, 2024 5:37 pm

Boambee John:

This seems a risky way to plan a war that could bring a nuclear response. But then, as highlighted above, the Mullahs are MAD.

We keep forgetting that Islam as a philosophy, believes in the need for an apocalyptic war to usher in the 12th Imam and the conquest of the entire world under Islam.
To us, they’re nuts.
To them, starting a nuclear war and blowing the shit out of the planet is necessary to win.

JohnJJJ
JohnJJJ
January 2, 2024 5:37 pm

Just to throw in my five shekels. The Iranian are not Arabs. They are far more considered and disciplined (despite the rhetoric). As demonstrated by the Iraq/Iran war, they are quite willing to throw their young people into battle as martyrs. I mentioned before that the streets and lanes are named after these martyrs.
In my experience, although the mullahs are hated by the westernised city folk and the Iranians in Australia, they have deep support around the country. Finally Persia and the Jews have a long history, see the Bible. The difficulties of the 1982 Lebanon battles were an indicator of the problem with the Shia and Iran.

calli
calli
January 2, 2024 5:42 pm

Typical of Alexander, instead of puzzling over untying it, he drew his sword and severed it.

Quite.

But I thought Dover’s arguments skewed towards not using swords.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 2, 2024 5:48 pm

To clarify.
The Seaworld helos have a long history of Spider Tracks data.
If the company had procedures for managing arrivals and departures, the ATSB will be able to see if there was a pattern of behaviour, either in observance or in breach of their own procedures.
One assertion made by the company which doesn’t pass the sniff test was that routes were structured with best emergency landing spots in mind.
Sure.
They are helicopters, FFS. They can land almost anywhere, and I think at least one was fitted with emergency floats.
The routes were set using one over-arching principle … get the punters along the beach for a look and back and tipped out as quickly as possible.
Of course, the ATSB report doesn’t address if the pilots were caught up in roadworks going to work that day, which would have immediately rendered them reckless, feckless and angry.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 2, 2024 5:51 pm

As someone said here the other day, the attention seeking cheating midget houso ranga’s “look at moi” stunts will suck the oxygen out of the McGrath Foundation’s big fundraiser during the SCG Test.

Top Ender
Top Ender
January 2, 2024 5:52 pm

Iran and nuclear weapons is somewhat moot.

IIRR they have never launched a missile, with a nuclear warhead on it, and successfully hit a target and detonated said nuke.

Same as North Korea.

JC
JC
January 2, 2024 5:58 pm

But it doesn’t.

Sure it does. A shorter range (by subs) would be devastating and the planes would be stealth attacks. Targeted at the right spots and it would be cataclysmic. Then, if what was left of the Iranian command and missile assets they lobbed conventional missiles toward Israel a large number would be caught by anti-missile defense. Hardly devastating and more of an irritant like what’s been going on since October 7th.

Look, let’s end it here. You’re arguing that conventional missiles would be a match to a devastating nuclear attack turning Iran into a huge pot hole. Israel would be pained while Iran would be finished.

If its subs it will be either SRBM or cruise missiles which will be detected but provide a shorter window (cruise missiles longer), and planes too will be detected. If there are 20-30 SRBMs/ planes in the air they will know it is potentially a nuclear strike and will launch the missiles they have ready to go.

You sound so breezy about surviving a massive nuclear attack. It wouldn’t work that way.

Vicki
Vicki
January 2, 2024 6:02 pm

As demonstrated by the Iraq/Iran war, they are quite willing to throw their young people into battle as martyrs. I mentioned before that the streets and lanes are named after these martyrs.

That war has never been forgotten, nor its heroes – like the late Qassem Suleimani. His assassination four years ago by a drone launched by USA sources caused massive demonstrations of grief throughout Iran. And deepened Iranian hostility to the USA and their allies.

Johnny Rotten
January 2, 2024 6:05 pm

JC
Jan 2, 2024 5:20 PM

And we start 2024 with the “I don’t do the Argy Bargy” Pompous Windbag who has such a thin skin that this poster or rather Imposter bleeds when anyone says anything that is not liked. LOL Well, stiff shite you Sictorian Mafioso Crook.

Welcome to the world of FREE SPEECH. If you don’t like it then just Fark Off.

BTW, have you got the bottle to email Marty and have some “Argy Bargy” with him yet? NO, I didn’t think so. WIMP.

The Mouth from the South. LOL.

JC
JC
January 2, 2024 6:05 pm

…..caused massive demonstrations of grief throughout Iran. And deepened Iranian hostility to the USA and their allies.

And that’s a bad thing? It’s funny.

We’re talking about a country where the bottom 25% earn US 150 bucks a month.

Johnny Rotten
January 2, 2024 6:08 pm

An arrogant person considers himself perfect. This is the chief harm of arrogance. It interferes with a person’s main task in life – becoming a better person.

– Leo Tolstoy

Winston Smith
January 2, 2024 6:08 pm

How can you effectively sell this idea to Europeans and North Americans amid the current cost of living crisis? The majority now realize that Ukraine will never stop begging for money. No amount will fuel the insatiable appetite of the most corrupt government in Europe.

History shows us that the costs of Empire (Or Empire Adjacent) eventually bankrupt the Empire.

Johnny Rotten
January 2, 2024 6:12 pm

Arrogance – I have very little tolerance for that.

– Rita Moreno

Wise words for that Pompous Windbag, Junior (Mouth from the South) Cretin. And Mafioso Fat Arse Crook.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 2, 2024 6:13 pm

Of course, the ATSB report doesn’t address if the pilots were caught up in roadworks going to work that day, which would have immediately rendered them reckless, feckless and angry.

How dare you!

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 2, 2024 6:14 pm

A Queensland state pathologist conducted a coronial autopsy and toxicology examination of the pilot of XKQ. The autopsy report showed no evidence of significant natural disease. The toxicology report showed a positive result for cocaine metabolites and a common cutting agent levamisole.

Oh, right, coke.
But the experts say it was taken some time in teh previous four days but concentrations wouldn’t have impaired his capacity to fly.
No comment about withdrawal if he was a regular user though.
But get this.

The pilot of XH9 attended hospital for their injuries. They were admitted on 2 January 2023 and discharged on 4 January 2023. Although the pilot reported consenting to testing for alcohol and other drugs (AOD) and bloods were taken, no AOD testing was conducted.

Four dead and six seriously injured and they didn’t test one of the two pilots?
FMD!
I guess we can’t have too much safety-ism, eh?

MatrixTransform
January 2, 2024 6:14 pm

I have one in my wallet

* chuckles

JC
JC
January 2, 2024 6:16 pm

Welcome to the world of FREE SPEECH.

You clown. It has nothing to do with FREE SPEECH. It’s the speech the blog owner permits on his site. You even had that wrong a while ago, before you admitted you had screwed it up what free speech means. You’re so freaking stupid, you’re beyond redemption.

If you don’t like it then just Fark Off.

I don’t like it and I won’t “Fark off”, you ridiculous buffoon.

BTW, have you got the bottle to email Marty and have some “Argy Bargy” with him yet? NO, I didn’t think so. WIMP.

Why would I do that as he’s not the one posting this crap on the site? You are. Secondly, he threatened to pay to take out a hit out on someone who complained directly. That’s the scum you’re promoting here, you worthless limey crook. You filthy limey crook!

The Mouth from the South. LOL.

Yeah, the “mouth from the South” is someone protesting about this site being inundated with worthless spam by a lowrent limey crook originating from a convicted fraud. You’re just one pathetic example of the human species, Wodney. You should be deported. I can’t imagine the damage you’ve done to this country because of your crooked ways. I bet you were a terrible pick pocket too.

Born filth and will quietly go as filth.

Megan
Megan
January 2, 2024 6:18 pm

Just finished the mopping up in our garage after the bloody thunderstorm belted the eucalyptus so hard its discarded leaf debris blocked access to the drain across the driveway. No damage but a mess of leaves and a mixture of the neighbours various driveway gravel. Grrrr!
2024 not off to a great start.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 2, 2024 6:19 pm

At about the time of 9/11 I came to the conclusion that the most devastating fate for a female child is to be born into a Muslim society.

I felt this long ago in 1973 in Sri Lanka when I was unable to assist a Muslim girl aged 15 who had been brought in with ‘stomach pains’ and who produced a baby, by adopting her baby. Impossible for us leaving in the next two days for the UK. The child was consigned to an orphanage where it would most likely die. The nurse in charge of maternity told me that she had a hard job to persuade the family of this girl not to take her home immediately post-birth and beat the living daylights out of her. Her fault, of course, any rape that seems to have happened. Nothing’s changed there.

JC
JC
January 2, 2024 6:19 pm

Johnny Rotten
Jan 2, 2024 6:12 PM

Arrogance – I have very little tolerance for that.

– Rita Moreno

Wise words for that Pompous Windbag, Junior (Mouth from the South) Cretin. And Mafioso Fat Arse Crook.

You’re continaully spamming the site with crap from a convicted felon and I’m being arrogant? How thick are you? You can’t even argue your own defense logically, you low IQ dickhead. You crook.

Megan
Megan
January 2, 2024 6:21 pm

Add in a water leak from the kitchen rangehood while our plumber is on a WEB. Given the trouble we’ve endured with water damage in the last five years, I clearly need something to appease the water gods.

Would a Welcome to Country suffice or do I need to dry out the eucy leaves and set fire to them? All and any advice welcome.

Vicki
Vicki
January 2, 2024 6:22 pm

And that’s a bad thing? It’s funny.
We’re talking about a country where the bottom 25% earn US 150 bucks a month.

I personally haven’t particularly considered whether it is “a bad thing” in our terms, JC, but I imagine it was in relation to the Iranians. Millions lined the streets to mourn his passing. Yes – Iran has been reduced by the Mullahs. But they are arming to combat those who defile Islam. Such things are considered when the history is eventually written.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 2, 2024 6:25 pm

Historic tracking data of helicopters in the scenic flight operation was obtained by the ATSB and analysis is continuing.

Analysis of tracking data for flights conducted from 26 December 2022 to 2 Jan 2023 in XH9, XKQ and one of the operator’s AS350 helicopters showed that intersecting paths flown to and from the helipads had no vertical or horizontal separation at the point where the helicopters collided (Figure 29). The operator stated that the intersecting flight paths conducted at Sea World were controlled through communication and rules of the air as at any aerodrome with intersecting runways.

Oh, I see.
Intersecting paths.
No vertical separation.
Because we didn’t have to.

Tom
Tom
January 2, 2024 6:25 pm

I’ve heard a rumour that summer is going to break out in southeast Australia sometime before the end of February. I’d be obliged if knowledgeable Cats could check out the rumour as I would hate to be distracted by disinformation.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 2, 2024 6:30 pm

The Hun:

A Seaford hoon left his cousin with life-changing injuries after ploughing into his motorbike while driving “at speed” on the wrong side of the road.

Kane Hickey, 19, knocked his cousin with his Subaru sedan with such force that his helmet was sent flying off his head before he hit the ground.

Although he survived, the cousin can no longer shower himself and relies on his mum to cut up his food.

Absolutely inexcusable.

Judge Robyn Harper sentenced him to two years and nine months in a youth justice centre in the County Court in late December.

It would have been ten years, minimum, had Mr Hickey’s barrister not offered up in submissions his client’s frustration with being held up by roadworks earlier that afternoon.

‘Too much bureaucracy, Your Honour, caused my client to take risks.’

‘Yeah fair enough.’

Chris
Chris
January 2, 2024 6:32 pm

I’ve heard a rumour that summer is going to break out in southeast Australia sometime before the end of February.

Global boiling; it’s not just for the Pilbara.

Chris
Chris
January 2, 2024 6:33 pm

Global boiling; it’s not just for the Pilbara.

Of course if you are in Melbourne and don’t like the weather?
Wait five minutes.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
January 2, 2024 6:37 pm

Iran and nuclear weapons is somewhat moot.

IIRR they have never launched a missile, with a nuclear warhead on it, and successfully hit a target and detonated said nuke.

Same as North Korea.

Looking at the reports of Iran’s modest U-235 production rate, you’d have to conclude the Iranians would do the full Kim Jong Un. Crack off a crude device sufficient to register on seismographs as a nuclear explosion, hold a photo-op in front of a sparkly weapon-looking thing and white coats, and then use screechy threats of an implied deliverable weapon as platform shoes.

I guess Israel is enigmatic about its nuclear capability because they too haven’t fired a weaponized version either.

miltonf
miltonf
January 2, 2024 6:37 pm

Is that Adam Kinzinger twerp all there? Always seems to have a look of injured innocence about him. Probably playing the role assigned to him by the ‘rats.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
January 2, 2024 6:38 pm

Have to do a lot of scrolling this early.

JC on the turps early today.

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 2, 2024 6:39 pm

Iran and nuclear weapons is somewhat moot.

IIRR they have never launched a missile, with a nuclear warhead on it, and successfully hit a target and detonated said nuke.

Same as North Korea.

Neither has Israel.

JC
JC
January 2, 2024 6:41 pm

Happy new year Toad. I’m hopeful 24
Is the year you say something useful.

Chris
Chris
January 2, 2024 6:43 pm

IIRR they have never launched a missile, with a nuclear warhead on it, and successfully hit a target and detonated said nuke.

Have the USA, USSR or China done that?

John Brumble
John Brumble
January 2, 2024 6:43 pm

Thoughts on Warner.

a) Seems like he’s the sort to consider all of his hats for playing cricket in to be “Baggy Greens”. Obviously they aren’t, but such a short hand seems consistent.

b). Surely he wouldn’t pretend to have lost something. He doesn’t have a history of sharp practice.

c) Wouldn’t it be unfortunate if he’d promised it as an auction piece for the Pink Test fund raising?

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
January 2, 2024 6:44 pm

Happy New Year JC 🙂

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 2, 2024 6:46 pm

On the grandson front, all is well. We had a very familial lunch out, with some excellent chats about old times and various family members, especially Hairy’s son, his uncle. You mean he crept out of his bedroom window at age fifteen and went to raves in far-flung suburbs? he asked incredulously. That serious uncle, the quick quipping lawyer? Yep, said my oldest son, you’re old enough to know that now about my youngest ‘bro. You should have seen Hairy read the riot act to him, says my son to his. Grandson seemed thus rather pleased that Grandpa Hairy had backed out of this lunch.

Grandson then unreservedly apologised for what he nominated as his unacceptable behaviour ignoring us at Christmas, and was very contrite. Said he was entirely in the wrong and was ashamed of himself. He’s also, at sweet twenty, so very young too. Cue the plucking of heartstrings. I told him I was a socialist in my youth too, and that he’d grow out of it; we laughed and agreed to politically disagree. He needs his woke peer group more than he needs me. He’s saving so hard and working so hard for his upcoming trip, so I told him the envelope with his presents from the family contained two hundred dollars from me. Relief, for him, to still be in our good books. Our lunch was Japanese, as he’s heading there first. I’d ordered a round of Miso soup for us first, and grandson left his. I don’t much like Miso soup, he said, and we laughed that he’d better get used to not eating breakfast in Japan in that case.

I noticed that although he presented in a clean shirt and pants, his sneakers were on their last legs, dirty and with one bit torn. That’s just happened, he apologised. I’m going to buy myself some new ones before I go. On our way out we passed by a shoe shop. Come on, I said, I’ll treat you to a new pair of Converse for your trip. We’d already kissed and hugged hello, but as he walked proudly out in his new shoes he shyly put his arm around me. He was very chuffed. So was I. He looks great. We are both over it.

MatrixTransform
January 2, 2024 6:46 pm

just trying to help JC with his beauty contest

you know … and for world peace

D20 – (20-sided)

– The signature dice of the dungeons and dragons game is the twenty sided dice. Is used most often in the game, and is the dice which is going to determine all of the strategies and attacks which will be used during game play by players.

Chris
Chris
January 2, 2024 6:48 pm

New Year Resolution
If the ABC does something good, honest and helpful to straight, employed, healthy Australians I will completely miss it because I consume nothing they write, broadcast or interpret via ribbon dance.

Cassie of Sydney
January 2, 2024 6:48 pm

Well, this should make you laugh. I’ve just returned from an afternoon with my mother. I’ve read her the riot act about even thinking about getting a ladder. She nodded and smiled sweetly, but I know she’s up to something, there are two stores she loves, one is Sportscraft and the other is Bunnings.

Later, sitting sipping tea with Mum, we were talking about various things and then Mum said how she had received a phone call from a friend. This friend is 79 years old whilst Mum is 83 years old. This friend knows that my mother’s husband, my stepfather, is in care. And then Mum told me what her friend said to her, her friend told Mum that she should get a lover!

I nearly threw up my tea, and I said…………………….whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat!

Mum said she also nearly fell over when talking to her friend, and she then told me that her friend is in a relationship with a man over thirty-five years younger than her, he visits her and she described it to Mum as “feeling right”….to which I said, when you’re being paid, everything is right…..100% she’s paying him, and Mum said…”no, no, she’s too mean to do that”, to which I said, “rubbish, she must be paying him”. Mum said, thankfully, that she was appalled and repulsed by the idea, as Mum said, ‘imagine an 83 year old undressing in front of a 48 year old man’!

I then said the following to Mum…

1. Don’t even think about it, if you were to ever do this, my sister and I will exercise our power of attorney over you.

2. I think it his high time you found some new ‘normal’ friends. Mum said I might have a point there!

And then we both laughed!

zimlurog
zimlurog
January 2, 2024 6:49 pm

Sancho Panzer
Jan 2, 2024 5:30 PM
…prudence still demands that XH9 make some sort of clarifying call on the Southport CTAF (Common Traffic Advisory Frequency).

This seems like a significant lapse to me. Rule number 1 flying anywhere is broadcast your intentions. Pre-COVID, I was taking flying lessons outbound from Heck Field 30km to the north of SeaWorld. We regularly headed south along the Coast and invariably would make a radio call announcing our presence as we neared the SeaWorld area because we could see the helicopters operating. It’s asking for trouble if other aircraft don’t know you’re there.

I guess if you’re doing multiple joyflights a day, there could be a tendency to get a bit slack with radio calls. Not a good habit to get into though. It’s quite a busy strip at times along that coast with fixed-wing joyflights out of Coolangatta coming past as well.

Top Ender
Top Ender
January 2, 2024 6:49 pm

From Knuckles’ story above:

Hickey suffered from depression and anxiety and had an IQ of just 74, according to a psychological report.

Makes you wonder what the minimum is to drive.

Zatara
Zatara
January 2, 2024 6:50 pm

Millions lined the streets to mourn his passing.

Actually, thousands were forced to line the streets in a massive, and obviously successful, propaganda effort. Not all of them, but many of them.

The state has encouraged people to take to the streets to honor Soleimani by declaring three days of mourning and they closed government offices and schools.

But those Iranians who are not supportive of Soleimani and Iran’s regional policies are not free to express themselves due to the repressive nature of the Iranian regime.

What we don’t see on TV are those who are not mourning his death.

Key Takeaways From Qasem Soleimani’s Massive Funeral Procession

Dozens of people (50+) have been killed in a crush during a funeral ceremony for the Iranian military commander Qassem Suleimani attended by hundreds of thousands of mourners in his home city of Kerman.

Yes, that can happen when thousands of people panic while being forced into a confined place with the way out being blocked by armed enforcers (I’m not saying that definitely happened, just that it is certainly as likely as them all being killed by their ardent desire to attend a propaganda funeral march).

Chris
Chris
January 2, 2024 6:52 pm

Lizzie, that is heartwarming.
Family are the greatest.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 2, 2024 6:55 pm

Chris
Jan 2, 2024 6:43 PM
IIRR they have never launched a missile, with a nuclear warhead on it, and successfully hit a target and detonated said nuke.

Have the USA, USSR or China done that?

China certainly has, not sure about the others.

Eyrie
Eyrie
January 2, 2024 6:57 pm

Cool toy:
beast.aero

Chris
Chris
January 2, 2024 6:58 pm

Actually, thousands were forced to line the streets in a massive, and obviously successful, propaganda effort. Not all of them, but many of them.

Remember all those tight-packed crowds demonstrating against the Great Satan? I saw it myself in Mashhad after an awful night of rioting that saw Government offices, cinemas ad more than 100 branches of the Government bank destroyed.

The jam-packed indignant youth protesters formed a square about 5m along each side.
First the boys.
Then a second square of girls in black burquas.
Tight-focused news cameras then frame their images to give you what the regime requires.

Tom
Tom
January 2, 2024 6:59 pm

Joe Hildebrand — Elbow’s designated media apologist on Sky News — says Elbow’s could be one of Australia’s best governments if he doesn’t make the same mistakes he made in 2023.

Hildebrand has decided he will suck Elbow’s todger in public no matter what the public humiliation. Sad.

JC
JC
January 2, 2024 7:00 pm

Dover

JC, nothing you’ve said would work that way.

You’re trying to make the case that Israel with nuclear weapons would be intimidated by Iran having conventional weapons. I’m actually surprised you’ve taken it this far.

Top Ender
Top Ender
January 2, 2024 7:05 pm

As far as I know from researching this, the following countries have nuclear weapons and have test fired a nuclear-tipped missile with a successful detonation: United States, Russia, France, China, United Kingdom, Pakistan, India.

Israel is thought to have a nuclear bomb capable of aircraft delivery. I would not be surprised if they could put a small nuclear warhead on a missile though. They have Tomahawk which can be nuclear-tipped. Then again Japan has them too.

North Korea has neither ability but says it can utilise a missile warhead. I would reckon they could not. They merely blow up low-yield nuclear blasts – a far cry from using a missile; firing it, and having it detonate over the target at low altitude. Nor have they shown any ability to drop a nuclear bomb. In other words they are at about the stage of the Manhattan Project when it test-fired Trinity, without the attendant B-29 delivery mechanism.

Top Ender
Top Ender
January 2, 2024 7:07 pm

Should have been: “…a far cry from arming a missile”

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
January 2, 2024 7:09 pm

This friend is 79 years old whilst Mum is 83 years old. This friend knows that my mother’s husband, my stepfather, is in care. And then Mum told me what her friend said to her, her friend told Mum that she should get a lover!

*Attenborough voice*

‘And here, temporarily at rest, she sits. Master of her surroundings, and sated for the time being, she waits – knowing that there is an easy selection of prey to be taken at will from the bingo hall on the corner. She is also aware, in fact, that some of the prey will come to her.

‘Magisterial, she surveys her domain. This is oft-spoken-of, but rarely seen, SuperCougar.’

Johnny Rotten
January 2, 2024 7:10 pm

dover0beach
Jan 2, 2024 6:59 PM
Another very large package of missiles sent to UKR. I guess Putes the Poot hasn’t run out of them contra predictions just yet.

It is the UKR that will run out of everything including Other People’s Money. The UKR is stuffed and is not a functioning country without support from the West, End of a sad story. Well done the West and the USA Neo Cons. Cons indeed.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
January 2, 2024 7:12 pm

a common cutting agent levamisole.
Cutting agent, really?
Also will act as a handy anti-parasitic, for your, shall we say, well-travelled pilot types.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
January 2, 2024 7:16 pm

Iraq fired 42 SCUD missiles at Israel in Jan-Fed of 1991 killing 2 Israeli civilians

Anybody else remember the news footage of the Palis on the West Bank, dancing on the roofs of their houses, as those missiles passed overhead?

JohnJJJ
JohnJJJ
January 2, 2024 7:17 pm

It is an interesting issue: Iran. $150? – but how much did your Afghan or Vietnamese peasant earn.
Israel understands that Persia is its biggest potential enemy. They have a high regard for learning ( note how many professors over here in Oz are Iranian). As an aside the so-called Golden Age of Islam was a result of the Arabs being replaced by Persians for a period.
The new Shia crescent: Iran, Iraq (we did that), Syria and part of Lebanon, plus significant parts of Yemen, Bahrain, Azerbaijan, Turkey, Kuwait and even the oil fields of Saudi Arabia. That is a lot of support for the Iranian mullahs.

miltonf
miltonf
January 2, 2024 7:20 pm

Fuk that Millie deadshit is a spiteful meathead.

Cassie of Sydney
January 2, 2024 7:22 pm

There’s a very good book on the Iranian revolution called ‘The Fall of Heaven’. I read it last year and I highly recommend it. Whilst sympathetic to the Shah and the Pahlavi family, it isn’t uncritical about the mistakes the Shah made, in hindsight he rushed through reforms far too quickly, alienating the clerics and the landowners, both of whom were the traditional power base in Iran. Even as late as 1978 the Shah had most of the countryside on his side, and he retained the loyalty of many rural clerics. What brought him down was a whirlwind created by an unholy and unseemly coalition of Shia religious clerics, all of whom were Khomeini acolytes, and Marxist and Socialist radicals and extremists, most of whom had been educated in American universities, thanks to the largesse of the Shah and Pahlavi family! And in the book it is clear from the testimony provided by exiled Iranian leftist radicals who’d participated in the revolution, and who’d survived the bloody purges of the early 1980s that the left really truly thought that once the Shah was gone they’d be able to put the lid back on the Shia clerics! Well, we know how that worked out, instead the clerics under Khomeini had the last laugh.

We’re seeing a similar alliance on our streets today. We should be concerned. There is nothing harmless about this alliance. As Gad Saad says, and he knows a thing or two about the middle east having been born in Beirut (from a Lebanese Jewish family), if Gays for Gaza, if Queers for Palestine, if Socialist Unity and all the rest of the radicals think that once they’ve overthrown western governments then they’ll take power and they will be able to dispose of the Islamists then they’ve another thing coming. In the struggle between Islamists and the left, the left will lose.

As an aside, the most popular man in Iran today is Crown Prince Reza Pahlavi, the heir, who hasn’t seen his homeland since 1978.

Johnny Rotten
January 2, 2024 7:46 pm

Here are some “Laybore” promises at the Feral Erection time –

1. It was a momentary mistake that stuck with Bob Hawke and became, when all was said and done, one of his most memorable lines.

“By 1990, no Australian child will be living in poverty,” the then-prime minister told Labor’s election campaign launch on June 23, 1987.

WRONG and WRONG

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/no-child-will-live-in-poverty-30-years-on-bob-hawkes-promise-remains-an-elusive-goal-20170621-gwvdya.html

2. Prime Minister Julia Gillard has said there will not be a tax on carbon while she leads the federal government.

Deputy Prime Minister Wayne Swan last week said if Labor won the August 21 poll, there would not be a carbon tax during its next three years in power.

WRONG and WRONG

https://youtu.be/Uz3TirM7W60

3. Airbus/Tennis Elbow and Blackout Bowen and the Electricity Promise to reduce the cost of electricity –

When asked by a journalist at the press conference whether it was possible to deliver such a significant reduction in such a short time, Mr Albanese backed the commitment.

“I don’t think, I know. I know because we have done the modelling,” he said. “That is the average reduction in power prices from today as a result of the suite of policies which we have announced.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-19/promise-check-cut-power-bills-by-275-dollars/101791146

WRONG and WRONG

You just cannot believe LayBore. They are FRAUDS and Charlatans.

Vote them out in 2025 before they wreck the joint and let in more rag heads who are a drain on the Welfare System and add nothing to this Great Nation.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
January 2, 2024 7:52 pm

“Modelling”, eh?

JC
JC
January 2, 2024 7:52 pm

Of course, the Israelis are serious people. When you are targeted by ordnance you take it seriously. The only people who don’t are those not targeted.

That’s not what you were arguing.

Rabz
January 2, 2024 7:55 pm

As the survey of 40 economists in The Australian Financial Review* today shows, many market economists are betting that the Reserve Bank will start cutting rates this year; September is the median view.

What’s my golden rule ratio about economists, again? Oh, that’s right – there are two distinct types of economists – those that are wrong about everything 91.3% of the time and those that are wrong about everything, all the time.

If the ratio is correct (which of course, it is) depending on the proportion polled, interest rates will not be coming down any time soon. The question is, by how much will they increase? You can’t have a braindead bunch of marxist morons in government whose every staggeringly stupid policy increases the cost of living without those impacting on both inflation and interest rates on an accumulating basis.

In the meantime, we can all wait for the mythical “$275 reduction” in electrickery bills.

Which, funnily enough, won’t happen either.

*Our beloved bleeding anti-business daily.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
January 2, 2024 7:56 pm

Just drove back from SA to Melbourne via Western Hwy. Its been 12 months since Ive driven that road. I noticed one pothole fixed and several more created leaving an estimated 177,567 pot holes remaining. That road is a shit show. Shame Vic Labor Shame!

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
January 2, 2024 7:57 pm

Last hour of trip driven through torrential rain. Man that globally boiling is going to drown us at this rate!

JC
JC
January 2, 2024 7:59 pm

“By 1990, no Australian child will be living in poverty,” the then-prime minister told Labor’s election campaign launch on June 23, 1987.

WRONG and WRONG

There’s no child in Australia living in absolute poverty, you clown. Relative poverty yes, but not absolute poverty, unless the parents are spending welfare on booze in which case not even Bill Gates money would help.

No kidding, you’re better off spamming the site with Marty than posting your own “thoughts”.
To Faulty’s now!

Tom
Tom
January 2, 2024 8:03 pm

That road is a shit show. Shame Vic Labor Shame!

The only roads that the Victorian Labor government repairs are in Green electorates.

Interstate highways are used by LNP voters so they never get repaired.

bons
bons
January 2, 2024 8:03 pm

265 milliflans here.

Nothing at the farm.

There are times.

There are times.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 2, 2024 8:04 pm

Lizzie, that is heartwarming.
Family are the greatest.

Thanks, Chris. Some miserybags downtickers here don’t think so though. It was a good resolution to a situation that was very distressing for me, and no doubt one full of guilt for him. Twenty year-olds are often thoughtless, and silly grandmas can get their knickers in a knot about nothing sometimes.

My Queensland grandies have a game they play, popular in Qld apparently, called Grandma’s Undies. It’s some sort of word game, where the loser has to say the abominable words about unthinkable things.

Rabz
January 2, 2024 8:04 pm

Lost baggy green before your final Test? Yeah …Nah. Reeks of Candice*.

A veritable “backpack” full o’ them, Bear**. He really is a stupid attention seeking li’l deadsh#t.

Hopefully he’ll bever get them back and if their remains are ever found, they’ll consist of charred pieces of ash.

*Of the immediate SBW public toilet intimacy.

**According to the ALPBC

Dot
Dot
January 2, 2024 8:06 pm

I told you to be nice Lizzie.

He may well end up with this chick.

She might have a grandmother like you, who would take it as a personal insult if her granddaughter didn’t turn up!

Dot
Dot
January 2, 2024 8:06 pm

It’s certainly implied.

No funny stuff if we go fishing on your boat.

billie
January 2, 2024 8:07 pm

Islam is not going to be constrained in Australia or anywhere, is it?

Our police forces and federal agencies are not full of fools, they know full well that using the available laws to silence loud calls for the death of Jews and other non muslims, will mean.

Thank about it, are they really going to arrest a mullah preaching death to their enemies, in a mosque?

Rush in and arrest people at a protest calling for the death of other people?

What do you reckon will be the result?

Riots at a minimum. Attacks on everyone, violence and mayhem.

This seems like a runaway train gaining speed, that one day we have to either face up to or give in completely, there will be no compromise.

I don’t have a solution, but I can see what’s going on and I don’t think it’s going to end well.

Rabz
January 2, 2024 8:08 pm

Hey, Ticklers – this is the true American Dream

Dot
Dot
January 2, 2024 8:09 pm

Hang on.

I think Dover’s going a bit hard on the Bibi scepticism lately but why does Israel need to nuke anyone?

Their conventional forces are quite capable.

Dot
Dot
January 2, 2024 8:11 pm

Thank about it, are they really going to arrest a mullah preaching death to their enemies, in a mosque?

Rush in and arrest people at a protest calling for the death of other people?

What do you reckon will be the result?

Riots at a minimum. Attacks on everyone, violence and mayhem

Protests are fine. Rioters should be dealt with by force.

…and yes, that’s what should happen. Arrest those inciting violence and put anyone in their place who reacts violently.

JC
JC
January 2, 2024 8:13 pm

Vicki

I wasn’t trying to be offhand in my comment about Iran, although it may have come across that way. I was suggesting I was pleased that dirtbag is now with his 72 virgins from hell and those demos in Iran were demonstrations of impotence.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
January 2, 2024 8:13 pm

Imagine the damage that could be done to Iran if the destructive power of Dictator Dan and a progressive socialist Labor regime was unleashed on the unsuspecting Persians.
Too cruel perhaps and it would probably breach the Geneva Convention.

Boambee John
Boambee John
January 2, 2024 8:14 pm

Dover

complies with the laws of war should combat resume

So far at least, Israel has shown far greater compliance with the laws of war than Hamarse has.

JC
JC
January 2, 2024 8:16 pm

Dot
Jan 2, 2024 8:09 PM

Hang on.

I think Dover’s going a bit hard on the Bibi scepticism lately but why does Israel need to nuke anyone?

Their conventional forces are quite capable.

It was all hypothetical. Dover reckons Israel would be terrified of those newly developed Iranian missiles they can fire from camels towards Israel. 🙂

Dot
Dot
January 2, 2024 8:17 pm

Gez

It’s how we can ruin China. Through Commerce undergrad degrees. Deep cover anti-economics Manchurian candidates. May a thousand stink flowers bloom. Real secret squirrel stuff.

The names Keynes. John Maynard Keynes. Animal spirits never prosper, etc.

calli
calli
January 2, 2024 8:18 pm

Cass, I’ve been feeling a bit down lately…that story made me laugh!

And then I imagined Mum, on her walking frame, entertaining the thought. The horror!

😀

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 2, 2024 8:18 pm

Cassie’s mum is only two years older than me. She may well wish to have a man still in her life. My mum had a ‘beau’ who was forty years younger than she was when she died aged ninety. His helped me to care for her at the end and his words at her funeral were “Eileen, you were so easy to love”. No money involved at all, they believed they had a ‘spiritual’ love, but at times it looked rather more earthy as he massaged her neck in front of us all. We did wonder. She had a good body for her age and was always sprightly of mind. I remember my sister and I were appalled when she took up with a boyfriend at what I’d now say is the young age of fifty-five. We were the silly ones knowing nothing about getting older then.

I hope I take after her. Hairy says I wouldn’t last long without a man around the house for all sorts of needs, and he’s right. He wouldn’t stay single for too long I’m sure, without me.

We’d prefer though to make it to the end together. I was getting changed from my going out gear in the bedroom today, and he surprised me by making a pass. It happens, kiddies. Both of my husbands have been younger men; I’d recommend it.

calli
calli
January 2, 2024 8:20 pm

Oh…and telling me about it! We have quite a different relationship.

Sometimes the Jewish and the Presbyterian can be galaxies apart. Dour darn Scots.

calli
calli
January 2, 2024 8:21 pm

Wow! That was quick.

Have you programmed in an alert?

JC
JC
January 2, 2024 8:21 pm

My mum had a ‘beau’ who was forty years younger than she was when she died aged ninety.

50! Liz, was he blind.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
January 2, 2024 8:22 pm

Travelling through beautiful country Victoria. Rural vistas with Solar panels and wind farms galore. Serenity with a severe case of the pox.

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
January 2, 2024 8:27 pm

I’ll pay Kissinger on the Iran-Iraq war: ‘Pity they can’t both lose.’

JC
JC
January 2, 2024 8:27 pm

Rassie doing the work of the Lord.

Rasmussen Reports
@Rasmussen_Poll
If the late-counted 2020 mail ballots were Biden’s path to victory why were audits blocked everywhere except in AZ – where voter-volunteers proceeded to document over 200,000 non-conforming (counterfeit) ballots?

Now witness Georgia, where corrupt officials & judges are still hiding up to 150K of 2020 ballots, many of which were identified in sworn affidavits as likely counterfeit by long term poll workers.

Election fraud renders scientific polling worthless, so we will continue to cover all official & court investigations into it.

cohenite
January 2, 2024 8:28 pm

REVERSING AMERICA’S RUINOUS SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL’S ASSAULT ON GAZA:

What a shit article; every statistic (sic) is straight out of the arse of hamas.

Let me put it plainly: Israel has remove every palli from Gaza; then start of the West bank. Provoke iran into firing missiles, then nuke them. Anything else Israel is merely shuffling the deck-chairs on the fuking Titanic.

cohenite
January 2, 2024 8:30 pm

So far at least, Israel has shown far greater compliance with the laws of war than Hamarse has.

That would not be hard since hamas has shown none.

Dot
Dot
January 2, 2024 8:34 pm

50! Liz, was he blind.

OnlyFans, by telegram.

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
January 2, 2024 8:36 pm

On Iranians’ outpouring of grief, I remember seeing in the Financial Times the official program for the twentieth anniversary in 1989 of Gaddafi’s ‘revolution’ (i. e. coup) in Libya. It said, with a straight face, that ‘at 6pm, the revolutionary masses will spontaneously assemble….’

If we had real investigative journalism in this country, they might look into who organises and pays for rentacrowd. The demos outside the Pell trial would be a perfect case study.

Cassie of Sydney
January 2, 2024 8:36 pm

And then I imagined Mum, on her walking frame, entertaining the thought. The horror!

I’m glad it made you laugh. Mum is struggling to walk straight, I can’t imagine any romantic situation between Mum and a younger man. She’d either fall over before he had a chance or she’d take him down!

It’s good to laugh!

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 2, 2024 8:37 pm

Cass, I’ve been feeling a bit down lately…that story made me laugh!

Yes. Me too, Cassie. I laughed at the mother and daughter contretemps. Big Sis and I have been there, but laughing on the other side of our faces now. Big Sis found her last love, a true love, when she was 72, she’s now 83.

Must be the stresses and strains of Christmas, but the Kittehs seem a little moody around here. I know I have been so. My NY resolution was to come here less frequently because I can’t see the point in it sometimes, I haven’t always received a fair go here, and I know that Cass has been full-on depressed when alone at home about the Cat recently. Rightly so given the current levels of Anti-Semitism in Sydney. Some of the joy and pleasure of sharing things here on the Cat has greatly lessened for her lately. For shame, you downtickers.

Drive enough good people away and what are you left with?

Siltstone
Siltstone
January 2, 2024 8:37 pm

Billie @ 8.07
Rush in and arrest people at a protest calling for the death of other people?
What do you reckon will be the result?
Riots at a minimum. Attacks on everyone, violence and mayhem.
This seems like a runaway train gaining speed, that one day we have to either face up to or give in completely, there will be no compromise.

The NSW police have indeed already “given in completely”. Not given up on tasering grandmothers and issuing speeding fines. But they have effectively given licence to anyone to yell “gas the Jews”. Not a new thing. They gave up a decade or more ago (Lindt cafe ring a bell?).

rosie
rosie
January 2, 2024 8:37 pm
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
January 2, 2024 8:39 pm

She’d either fall over before he had a chance or she’d take him down!

lol, Cassie. So evocatively phrased. The mental picture of it lingers. 🙂

calli
calli
January 2, 2024 8:42 pm

It’s good to laugh!

It definitely is. Mt son in law just asked me…what did I think when she brought me home for the first time?

In a heartbeat, I told him, “Come in Spinner!”

😀

And…it’s true.

Cassie of Sydney
January 2, 2024 8:42 pm

Lizzie, I’m gonna ignore the down tickers. I’m taking your advice as well as other Cats who’ve emailed me. But I am also going to continue with my little endeavour which you’ve been copied on.

Cassie of Sydney
January 2, 2024 8:44 pm

Mum’s got lots of male friends, they’re gay. Gay men have always adored Mum, they love her straightforward and direct opinions. I wonder where I get it from?

LOL.

Roger
Roger
January 2, 2024 8:45 pm

They gave up a decade or more ago (Lindt cafe ring a bell?).

The female copper in charge of that fiasco has since moved on and up to ASIS.

That’s our equivalent of the CIA or MI6.

Cassie of Sydney
January 2, 2024 8:46 pm

The NSW police have indeed already “given in completely”. Not given up on tasering grandmothers and issuing speeding fines. But they have effectively given licence to anyone to yell “gas the Jews”. Not a new thing. They gave up a decade or more ago (Lindt cafe ring a bell?).

Yep, which is why I now loathe them.

Delta A
Delta A
January 2, 2024 8:47 pm

Today would have been my mother’s 100th birthday and so we, family, all made the 30 km trip to her hometown cemetary where she is buried with Father and next to my younger sister.

After a stop at the florist to buy several bunches of flowers (there’s a lot of family buried there) we headed to Mother’s favourite bakery for pies, pasties, kranskis, salad rolls etc, for our birthday lunch with her.

Later, we delivered the flowers to all the ancestors: four great grandparents, two grandparents and countless great uncles and aunts and cousins. So many hundreds of stories, I said to my grandies, as they wandered among the graves. So much happiness and grief, laughter, anger, crying, despair and victory. Just like you and me.

And, I mused privately as I sat in the cool shade of a pine tree, one day I, too, shall be here. It’s not a sad or morbid thought. On the contrary, I find comfort in knowing that I, and Best Man, shall spend our final days surrounded by so many family.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 2, 2024 8:47 pm

Zimlurog at 6:49.

This seems like a significant lapse to me. Rule number 1 flying anywhere is broadcast your intentions.

It’s asking for trouble if other aircraft don’t know you’re there.

Quite so.
And if you hear a radio call from someone in that narrow corridor and you can’t see them (or, in this case you see a departing aircraft then lose sight of it) you absolutely have to get a positive fix on where he is.

I guess if you’re doing multiple joyflights a day, there could be a tendency to get a bit slack with radio calls.

I got thinking about that this arvo.
You can get genuine tiredness and “boredom fatigue” on very long trips.
This is more of a “repetition fatigue” and I reckon it is a thing.
I hope they look hard at human factors.
If the report just looks at “aircraft A hit aircraft B and we don’t know why” it contributes nothing.

JC
JC
January 2, 2024 8:51 pm

Today would have been my mother’s 100th birthday and so we, family, all made the 30 km trip to her hometown cemetary where she is buried with Father and next to my younger sister.

My mother died at 96. I take flowers to the grave once every two weeks for both. They’re buried together. I bet the squabbling down there must be hell between the two of them.

Jorge
Jorge
January 2, 2024 8:52 pm

There’s a certain type of cricket fan that likes to trot out our convict heritage when serving it up from the outer or in the bar afterwards.

Warner has given them a bit to be going on with. Cheat. Stolen property scam. Liar ( baggy greens plural).

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
January 2, 2024 8:55 pm

Who is the miserable prick giving a thumbs down to Delta’s musing?

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
January 2, 2024 8:57 pm

But they have effectively given licence to anyone to yell “gas the Jews”.

If we do the same and run car convoys through Lakemba and Bankstown, plod will suddenly discover legislation to stop all of it. But the mainline Jewish organisation are whimps, too timid to confront Muslims.

JC
JC
January 2, 2024 8:57 pm

Probably you or the Woddenhead, Toad. That’s my guess.

calli
calli
January 2, 2024 8:58 pm

On the contrary, I find comfort in knowing that I, and Best Man, shall spend our final days surrounded by so many family.

My family is spread over the south pacific and the south coast of NSW. Funny how death concentrates the mind.

We bought a plot for Dad, then Mum, then for myself and the Beloved. Then my brother, who wanted his ashes scattered at sea relented. What the hell, he bought one in the same plot.

Might as well all be together for convenience and the possible floral tribute. We’ll all be long gone to glory.

Rabz
January 2, 2024 9:00 pm

They gave up a decade or more ago (Lindt cafe ring a bell?)

Ahem – the destructive rampages (escorted by the NSW pig filth) by the Sydneystan chapter of hezbollocks through Cronulla and Maroubra in 2005 after the alleged “riots”, which I won’t go into here, as anyone with a functioning brain knows why they happened. The background to the “riots” and why they were inevitable is slightly more interesting – involving as it does, various “well known scions of Sydneystan’s Eastern Suburbs”* …

*No, not Lizzee.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
January 2, 2024 9:00 pm

Who is the miserable prick giving a thumbs down to Delta’s musing?

It’s the mad downticker. I reckon a rather retarded and spiteful twelve year old girl has found the site.

Indolent
Indolent
January 2, 2024 9:02 pm
Indolent
Indolent
January 2, 2024 9:02 pm
calli
calli
January 2, 2024 9:03 pm

I bet the squabbling down there must be hell between the two of them.

Here’s a bit of prog rock to go with the squabbling.

JC
JC
January 2, 2024 9:03 pm

On the contrary, I find comfort in knowing that I, and Best Man, shall spend our final days surrounded by so many family.

I dunno, I take the Larry David view. You’re married during the time on this earth, and perhaps it would be a good idea to not take it to the afterlife. Have a fresh start. 🙂

Larry said that to his wife on the show and she was very upset. I tried it with wifey and kinda had the same effect.

Curb Your Enthusiasm is starting back in Feb too.

JC
JC
January 2, 2024 9:06 pm

Kinzhal strike

Is that a baseball term? Larry Kinzhal went strike 3 and out.

Link the freaking thing.

Katzenjammer
Katzenjammer
January 2, 2024 9:06 pm

REVERSING AMERICA’S RUINOUS SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL’S ASSAULT ON GAZA:

It’s fairly standard “Jews are their own worst enemy” stuff, along with “What they really should do is …. blah, blah, blah”. They say “Israel has a right to defend itself, but … more blah, blah blah”. What they really mean is “Evereyone has a divine right to tell Jews how to behave,”

Indolent
Indolent
January 2, 2024 9:06 pm
Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 2, 2024 9:10 pm

Warner has given them a bit to be going on with. Cheat. Stolen property scam. Liar ( baggy greens plural).

Yeah.
Unless they have changed protocol and now dish out fresh caps for each series, he shouldn’t have “Baggy Greens” plural.
He should only have got extras as replacements for lost or irreparably damaged caps.
My money is definitely on him trying to snag another one to sell, then the “lost” ones being anonymously mailed to him with a Marty Armstrong style note telling Davey how fabulous he is, and how the thief was “overwelmed with gilt for steeling from a ledgend”.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
January 2, 2024 9:13 pm

Larry said that to his wife on the show and she was very upset. I tried it with wifey and kinda had the same effect.

Larry is the master of saying shit which is a big chance to get him crucified and has zero upside.

Cassie of Sydney
January 2, 2024 9:14 pm

Curb Your Enthusiasm is starting back in Feb too.

My favourite.

rosie
rosie
January 2, 2024 9:14 pm
Muddy
Muddy
January 2, 2024 9:15 pm

REVERSING AMERICA’S RUINOUS SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL’S ASSAULT ON GAZA:

Erm, NO. That needs to be:

REVERSING AMERICA’S SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL’S RESPONSE TO GAZA’S UNPROVOKED SLAUGHTER OF CIVILIANS.

Words matter.

JC
JC
January 2, 2024 9:17 pm

Cassie of Sydney
Jan 2, 2024 9:14 PM

Curb Your Enthusiasm is starting back in Feb too.

My favourite.

Remember they took in the black family who were refs from Katrina? The black dude never left. He just stayed on living off Larry.

Delta A
Delta A
January 2, 2024 9:18 pm

You’re married during the time on this earth, and perhaps it would be a good idea to not take it to the afterlife.

LOL!

Best man can try that if he likes. After all, he’ll be dead already. Nothing left to fear.

BTW, JC, Toad is a good guy.

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