Open Thread – Weekend 17 Feb 2024


Pond in an Old Park, Ivan Shishkin, 1897

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NFA
NFA
February 17, 2024 1:02 am

I like the pond dover0beach

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 17, 2024 1:10 am

New OT up. All fixed.

Cheers, Dover, thank you.

caveman
caveman
February 17, 2024 1:52 am

🙂 Turd

rosie
rosie
February 17, 2024 2:11 am

Cultural homework done. An exhibition by the Melis family.
Now watching Society of the Snow.
Read ‘Alive’ years ago.

rosie
rosie
February 17, 2024 2:15 am

Russia’s Alexei Navalny just keeled over while walking, apparently.

John H.
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February 17, 2024 2:24 am
rosie
rosie
February 17, 2024 2:33 am
Barking Toad
Barking Toad
February 17, 2024 3:38 am

Here’s hoping someone will copy/paste the piece by Janet A in the Oz about Dumbgold.

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Beertruk
February 17, 2024 4:49 am

Barking Toad
Feb 17, 2024 3:38 AM
Here’s hoping someone will copy/paste the piece by Janet A in the Oz about Dumbgold.

Just finished reading it.

Here you go Matey and Janet doesnt hold back:

We stand for the principles that guarantee a fair trial

JANET ALBRECHTSEN
17 Feb 2024

The health of Australia’s democracy depends on the strength of three institutional pillars: a robust parliament, an independent and honest judiciary, and a free and intellectually curious media.

Not everyone on the receiving end of intellectual curiosity appreciates this bigger picture. So it was with Shane Drumgold this week when, through his lawyers, he took aim at our reporting and analysis of his conduct during the Higgins debacle. The former ACT chief prosecutor made a series of allegations designed to prove my role in reporting the Sofronoff inquiry was so malign, the whole inquiry should be invalidated.

In the ACT Supreme Court on Tuesday, Dan O’Gorman SC claimed our reporting of Drumgold was negative. The barrister used this word, negative, many times over many hours while trying to make their case. Drumgold claims that because I was in contact with Walter Sofronoff before and during the ACT board of inquiry, a reasonable bystander might regard articles I wrote alone or with my colleague Stephen Rice that cast Drumgold “in a negative way by impugning his character and credibility” as infecting Sofronoff’s ability to bring a fair and open mind to his final report.

Drumgold claims we were anti-Drumgold and pro-Bruce Lehrmann “advocates”. He wants to have findings in the inquiry report set aside. Justice Stephen Kaye will respond to those legal issues in due course.

We were not represented or heard in court. Drumgold, no doubt, imagined his allegations would go untested by me. Here is my response.

Drumgold mimicked many misconceptions at the heart of this sorry tale. The central question is not whether our reporting was negative but whether it was accurate. If it was negative but accurate, Drumgold can’t fairly complain. If our reporting was inaccurate, we would have expected to hear Drumgold complain forcefully at the time about our errors. We would have expected to hear ex­actly what facts we got wrong, possibly even to have received the odd threat of defamation.

What did we hear? Crickets. Drumgold made one complaint to the Press Council, and he later abandoned that. Not once this week did Drumgold’s lawyers suggest when making their case that our reporting was inaccurate.

It’s worth noting, by contrast, that Drumgold made false statements about the Australian Federal Police and political interference by senator Linda Reynolds – claims he withdrew during the Sofronoff board of inquiry when the lack of supporting evidence gave him little choice but to retract.

This imbroglio began as one of those legally and emotionally fraught he said/she said disputes about an alleged sexual assault. Brittany Higgins said she was raped. Lehrmann denied having sex with her. When the story took bewildering and neck-breaking turns, media outlets reported each chapter through the filter of celebrating and supporting Higgins.

It must have come as a shock to many when The Australian started reporting concerns held by AFP police officers about the lack of evidence. That shock must have been compounded when this newspaper looked closely at the conduct of Drumgold before, during and after the criminal trial in 2022. The ridiculous default position was to assume we were anti-Higgins and pro-Lehrmann.

We carry no brief for Lehrmann. Or for Higgins. We were not anti-Drumgold. We were not for or against any other party in this godforsaken mess. All along we have been pro-rule of law. All along our commitment has been to principles that guarantee a fair trial, driven by the unwavering belief that a fair trial should never be a lottery. For all of our sakes.

We particularly raised concerns about the impact on the criminal justice system and all that entails – due process, the presumption of innocence, the importance of cross-examination, empanelling a fair-minded jury – when Higgins chose to front cameras for The Project before finalising a formal police complaint.

We reported on institutions, including some of those fundamental pillars to our democracy, and their adherence to the rule of law. We raised concerns about the impact on the presumption of innocence when Labor politicians began celebrating Higgins in order to weaponise this rape allegation for their own base political motives in the lead-up to an election.

As Justice Michael Lee said during the recent defamation case brought by Lehrmann against Network Ten and Lisa Wilkinson, you don’t celebrate someone you think is lying; ergo celebrating Higgins’s bravery morphed into a presumption of guilt for a defendant.

We raised concerns about prime minister Scott Morrison undermining the presumption of innocence by standing in parliament to apologise to Higgins when he had no clue what the evidence was.

We reported on AFP officers who raised concerns that there was not sufficient evidence to charge Lehrmann.

During the criminal trial that was aborted, we reported the inconsistencies in great detail, understanding the critical role of cross-examination. It is, as lawyers told us, the truth engine of the law for good reason. No claim of wrongdoing is worth anything unless it is the subject of cross-examination.

When Drumgold announced there would be no second trial but applauded Higgins and said he thought he could have secured a conviction, we raised questions as to the appropriateness of that conduct by a prosecutor. What happened to the presumption of innocence, we asked. Not because we were siding with Lehrmann. He has lawyers to defend to him. Just as one should defend free speech for those one disagrees with, it’s critical to defend the rule of law for people, regardless of whether you think they are innocent or guilty. Principles trump personal preferences.

After these twists, we exposed how Higgins and David Sharaz politically manipulated this rape allegation in the lead-up to the federal election, including the involvement of senior Labor MPs, particularly Katy Gallagher. Once again our concern was how a citizen might expect a fair trial in this wicked and febrile environment.

When Drumgold called for a public inquiry, we reported on the board of inquiry that followed. We did so thoroughly. Unlike many other media outlets I put many questions to Sofronoff before and during the inquiry to fully understand the issues, so we could fully explain serious issues about our criminal justice system to readers. If I ask more questions than other journalists, as Sofronoff’s lawyers told the court this week, I make no apologies for that.

The upshot of those communications, and watching the inquiry, was that we reported on the misconduct of Drumgold in detail.

Our reports were negative. How could they not be? Plainly, it was not our reporting role to put a gloss on the former DPP’s admissions of misbehaviour.

We reported that the chief prosecutor who wielded tremendous state power against ordinary citizens admitted to misleading the Chief Justice during the trial. We reported that Drumgold directed a junior solicitor to draft and swear an affidavit that the then chief prosecutor knew deliberately advanced “a false claim of legal professional privilege and misled the court”. We reported that Drumgold sought to keep from the defence lawyers police material that they should have had to properly defend their client.

In all this there was not a skerrick of evidence that Sofronoff was influenced by our reporting or even that he read it. While I am flattered by the suggestion that Sofronoff fell under my Svengali-like influence and reached his conclusions because I exercised some power over him, it is completely laughable. Why a former president of the Queensland Court of Appeal would be more influenced by a journalist’s reporting than the evidence – including Drumgold’s own admissions – is an assertion one can only admire for its chutzpah.

If there was a woman who might have exercised significant influence over Sofronoff, it was Erin Longbottom KC, counsel assisting the board. The formidable Longbottom and her hardworking and skilful legal team painstakingly gathered the evidence on which Sofronoff reached his conclusions. It is an insult to her and her team, not to mention Sofronoff, to suggest he ignored their work – and the many written submissions by barristers for various parties raising serious questions about Drumgold’s behaviour – in favour of deference to me.

Perhaps the critics of our reporting are so blinded by activism and self-preservation that they can’t spot what fair journalism looks like. Early last year, at around the same time we were reporting on controversies surrounding Drumgold, we were also instigating proceedings to seek a publication order so we could reveal that Lehrmann was the subject of a second set of rape charges in a matter in a Toowoomba court.

We believe in transparency all around, shining a light into every corner and crevasse. This makes for confronting stories about the role of the media, the legal fraternity and political figures. On that score, we haven’t stopped digging into the darker recesses of a government that shelled out $2.4m to Higgins, no questions asked. We will report further on that if, as taxpayers deserve, it is investigated by the newly created corruption agency.

Listening to Drumgold’s lawyer attack our journalism this week was a reminder of an essential conundrum facing the former DPP. It was not our reporting that damned him. As the younger generation might say, his admissions are a “him problem”. His own admissions demonstrated that he fell short of how a prosecutor should behave in a criminal trial where a defendant was facing jail for a serious crime.

Once we started reporting all of these chapters in the Higgins-Lehrmann saga, other people agreed to tell us their stories. We reported Reynolds’s story. We reported Fiona Brown’s story. Both women had been shockingly maligned for many months, cast across media outlets as villains. In fact, they were the only two women who told Higgins the best thing to do was go to the police.

Then others contacted us, people with similar experiences, where they felt the brunt of the presumption of innocence being turned inside out and upside down. People whose reputations were trashed, their careers on the brink of ruin because of untested allegations.

Sexual assault is a serious crime. The criminal justice system must, consistently with the presumption of innocence, find ways to make it easier for complainants to come forward. The aim must always be for convictions and appropriate punishment for those found guilty. But a complainant is not a victim until a defendant pleads guilty or a court has found, beyond reasonable doubt, that a defendant is guilty. And this tawdry tale is a reminder there can be no short cuts to finding someone guilty without undermining the principles that protect each and every one of us.

If journalists were allowed to write only positive stories, that would be the end of journalism. And that would neuter one of the critical foundations to a free and vibrant democracy. Drumgold, and the many others who appear not to understand the role of the media, may wish to ponder these oft-quoted words about journalism: “Speaking the truth that somebody wants you not to publish is journalism. Everything else is marketing.”

JANET ALBRECHTSEN COLUMNIST
Janet Albrechtsen is an opinion columnist with The Australian. She has worked as a solicitor in commercial law, and attained a Doctorate of Juridical Studies from the University of Sydney. She has written for numerous other publications including the Australian Financial Review, The Age, The Sydney Morning Herald, The Sunday Age, and The Wall Street Journal.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
February 17, 2024 5:01 am

Thanks heaps beertruk

Figures
Figures
February 17, 2024 5:09 am

I thought JA did hold back.

Drumgold should have all of his cases reviewed. In the meantime he should be in prison along with all the people he put there.

Figures
Figures
February 17, 2024 5:09 am

And thanks Tom

KevinM
KevinM
February 17, 2024 5:12 am

Beertruk
Feb 17, 2024 4:49 AM

Thanks.
Good read and true, funny how the elite think they are immune to opprobrium.
Sadly, they are, mostly anyway.

+1

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
February 17, 2024 5:17 am

Bloody hell. Janet A boots ‘n all.

Dumbgold should go and hide.

Thanks again beertruk.

Beertruk
February 17, 2024 5:34 am

Gerard Henderson in the Paywallion on SickPol and the justice system:

Victoria’s shame: police and justice system ‘broken’

GERARD HENDERSON
17 Feb 2024

On Wednesday, well-regarded Melbourne barrister Gavin Silbert KC posted this message on X: “The Victorian criminal justice system is corrupt in the words of the Catholic Archbishop of Sydney (Anthony Fisher OP). This is further evidence of how badly it is broken. Lex Lasry is an honest and hardworking judge of the highest integrity.”

The latter reference is to the decision of Lex Lasry KC to quit his position of reserve judge on the Supreme Court of Victoria last Wednesday, as reported by Damon Johnston in this newspaper. Lasry was appointed to the court by a Labor government in 2007 and remained on the bench until retiring in 2018. However, he continued as a reserve judge and sat on a number of major criminal law cases.

Lasry told the court on Wednesday he had decided to retire after learning from the Judicial Commission of Victoria that a complaint had been made against him by Kerri Judd KC, the Victorian Director of Public Prosecutions.

Lasry made the point that he had continued to undertake the criminal work of the court, all of which involved the DPP as a party, while being unaware Judd had complained about him.

On any analysis, Judd’s complaint put Lasry in an untenable position. Sure, in an earlier case Lasry had criticised a decision about a prosecution made by Judd. But he, in turn, had been overruled by the Victorian Court of Appeal. In the legal system, these things happen – as Lasry understands. But Judd went to the Judicial Commission of Victoria without informing Lasry.

In a subsequent post, Silbert wrote that both Lasry “and Geoff Nettle have been treated appallingly and the ultimate victim is the public”. The reference was to Judd’s refusal to lay charges against individuals, including members of Victoria Police, in what is called the Lawyer X case.

This involved the decision of Victoria Police to engage defence lawyer Nicola Gobbo as an informant with a view to her providing information that could lead to convictions. The actions of Victoria Police were condemned by a unanimous High Court decision.

In time, the Victorian Labor government, then led by Socialist Left premier Daniel Andrews, set up a royal commission to examine the matter. It recommended the establishment of an Office of the Special Investigator to look into the issue. It was headed by retired High Court judge Geoffrey Nettle KC.

After a two-year investigation, Nettle reported that there was sufficient evidence to lay charges against several individuals, including one who was prepared to plead guilty. However, Judd declined to do so and, in a somewhat condescending tone, told Nettle that what he was proposing amounted to “an abuse of process”.

Andrews, who retired from politics on September 26 last year, soon joined in the chorus. Although not possessing any legal qualifications, he told the former High Court judge “if you have investigated a matter you are altogether too close to it to be making decisions about whether a conviction is likely”. This in spite of the fact that several Victorian institutions possess such powers.

And so it came to pass that the OSI was disbanded and no one at Victoria Police has been held accountable for its grossly unprofessional actions, which have discredited the Victorian system of criminal law.

And then there is the case of the late Cardinal George Pell, who was charged by Victoria Police with 26 instances of historical child sexual assault. In his post on February 14, Silbert indicated his agreement with Fisher that the Victorian legal system is corrupt, with special reference to Victoria Police.

Fisher’s comment was reported on The Australian’s front page of January 12 this year by Dennis Shanahan. Shanahan also quoted retired High Court judge Michael Kirby as saying Pell’s conviction was a miscarriage of justice and should lead to “efforts to establish a criminal cases review commission – as in the United Kingdom, New Zealand and Canada”.

In a speech at the Sydney Institute on January 24, priest and lawyer Frank Brennan described the Pell case as “nothing more than an appalling sting operation”. Of the 26 charges laid by Victoria Police, only five made it to court, where they were thrown out by the High Court in a 7-0 single judgment.

Earlier in August 2019, following a jury verdict of guilty in a retrial, Pell’s conviction had been upheld by Victoria’s chief justice and president of its Court of Appeal. But there was a devastating dissent by Justice Mark Weinberg, then the most experienced criminal jurist in Australia. As even Pell antagonist David Marr conceded, the barrister for the DPP could not explain the prosecution’s case.

It was much the same in the High Court. On this occasion, Judd herself led in her role as Victoria’s DPP. It was a poor performance since she struggled on occasions to explain the prosecution’s case to the bench, including the two most senior judges at the time – chief justice Susan Kiefel and Justice Virginia Bell.

Silbert, a former Victorian senior Crown prosecutor, is on record as stating his belief in Pell’s innocence. On February 15, he also posted: “The Hon Geoffrey Nettle, the Hon Justice Lex Lasry. Is there a pattern developing and who is going to stop it?”

The handling by Victorian legal authorities of the Lawyer X and Pell cases, plus the ongoing criticism of the Office of Public Prosecutions, demonstrates the need for an inquiry into the Victorian legal system, focusing, initially, on how Victoria Police behaved so poorly and unprofessionally with respect to both matters.

But such self-examination seems unlikely. In Victoria, Labor has been in office for about 21 out of the past 25 years. And the Liberal Party-led opposition presents as weak and lazy.

It’s all rather sad. When I completed a law course at Melbourne University half a century ago, the Victorian Supreme Court was highly regarded and Victoria Police, after some periods of corruption, was performing well.

And now a prominent Victorian lawyer regards the same legal system as badly broken, even corrupt.

GERARD HENDERSON COLUMNIST

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
February 17, 2024 5:46 am

And now a prominent Victorian lawyer regards the same legal system as badly broken, even corrupt.

Shocked! Im shocked!

Or as Dective John Mclane put it, ‘Welcome to the party Pal!’

miltonf
miltonf
February 17, 2024 6:30 am

Thanks for posting Beertruk.

Thanks Tom for the Leak ‘toon- what a spiteful mediocrity Giles is. But most of them are as well as being seriously nasty spoilt people from backgrounds of extreme privilege.

miltonf
miltonf
February 17, 2024 6:41 am

Just like Harry filth and most of the Saxe-coburg Gothas.

feelthebern
feelthebern
February 17, 2024 6:48 am

Maybe after shopping for groceries Tucker should have done a tour of a Russian prison to show how peachy things are.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 17, 2024 7:14 am

Blair’s Law is getting a real workout lately.

Biden Admin Unleashes Woke Trifecta: Trans Official Calls Climate-Change Racist (17 Feb)

In case you wondered where, oh where, all the trillions of dollars go, transgender Assistant HHS Secretary Admiral Rachel Levine is here to help.

In what some have called the ‘woke trifecta’, the white trans official took to social media today to explain that, apparently, climate-change is racist.

“Climate change is having a disproportionate effect on the physical and mental health of black communities.”

So, to be clear, climate-change is an existential threat to all of mankind, right?

But it’s an existential-er threat to communities of color?

‘Trust the science’.

It’s amusing that a man who isn’t a woman should think something which isn’t happening is worse on people whose skin colour evolved because of hot weather.

Fair Shake
Fair Shake
February 17, 2024 7:17 am

During the storm that hit Melbourne suburbs on Tuesday a large tree fell onto a Waverley house. Two storied house. Work colleague who live nearby showed me a photo. Tree is at 45 degrees, certainly damage to the roof wall at the top. Neighbours collect the owners mail cos he lives in China. No contact phone number. Council cannot do anything cos they need owner permission. I guess the chap is in for a shock when he returns to find water damage inside and local possums have taken a liking to his digs. LOL.

Bespoke
Bespoke
February 17, 2024 7:52 am
Steve trickler
Steve trickler
February 17, 2024 7:59 am

$157 return. You can stick the wine tasting and pastries up your bum. Once you get there it’s one of the most over priced places on the planet. I’ll never go back.

YOU HAVE to SEE THIS! I went to ROTTNEST ISLAND in WESTERN AUSTRALIA and was SHOCKED BY WHAT I SAW!!

132andBush
132andBush
February 17, 2024 8:00 am

Re Bespoke link.
Of course no one will take responsibility.

However, it will take three years to redesign middle-school math pathways and offer eighth-grade algebra classes in all schools.

Just look up a syllabus from the 1950’s, I think it would take a normal person one day working a solid 3hrs to “re design” the “pathways”.

Dot
Dot
February 17, 2024 8:00 am

Russia’s Alexei Navalny, a fierce anticorruption campaigner who galvanized the country’s political opposition, has died in prison, Russian news agencies reported Friday.

The cause of his death was still being established, said prison authorities, cited by Russian news agency TASS.

Navalny had been serving sentences in a penal colony amounting to more than 30 years on various charges. He was 47 years old.

Cope.

Putin is spreading fair and free elections to Ukraine, then soon, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and Poland, which also shouldn’t exist as punishment for corrupting Russian into Ukrainian.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 17, 2024 8:07 am

Reading is racist.

Seattle English Students Told It’s “White Supremacy” To Love Reading, Writing (17 Feb)

Students in a Seattle English class were told that their love of reading and writing is a characteristic of “white supremacy,” in the latest Seattle Public Schools high school controversy. The lesson plan has one local father speaking out, calling it “educational malpractice.”

So if you can read, write and do arithmetic you are triply racist. No wonder there are so many students who are illiterate.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
February 17, 2024 8:14 am

Steve, I think $157 is quite reasonable. In the 80’s and 90’s it cost me a 41 ft yacht, insurance, about $5k berth fees and maintenance. Stop your complaining. I know what you mean though. Australia has one of the most expensive ferry fees I’ve come across.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
February 17, 2024 8:24 am

GreyRanga
Feb 17, 2024 8:14 AM
Steve, I think $157 is quite reasonable. In the 80’s and 90’s it cost me a 41 ft yacht, insurance, about $5k berth fees and maintenance. Stop your complaining. I know what you mean though. Australia has one of the most expensive ferry fees I’ve come across.

It’s a rip off like everything on the island.

pete of perth
pete of perth
February 17, 2024 8:29 am

I got scabies staying on Rotto in the mid nineties.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
February 17, 2024 8:37 am

My wife’s father kept his school books from the 1930’s.
The maths and other subject matter would leave modern students in tears. No wonder the government could draw on competent and multi-skilled men to form an army to fight a few years later.
These blokes with low level education could write legible punctuated letters home to their families while sitting in deserts or jungles. They understood topography, angles and trajectory. They were rapidly trained to fly complex aircraft and became pilots in their early twenties.
They knew about pumps and pressure, they knew how to estimate volumes and capacities with a back of a cigarette pack calculation.
They could also recite Australian poems from memory to entertain themselves or pick up a musical instrument and produce a half decent piece.
They’re gone now but they were well served by the then educators and they in turn served us well.

Bespoke
Bespoke
February 17, 2024 8:40 am

The U.S. government said in January 2017 that Russia favored Trump as president. But now, sources reveal for the first time that the CIA “cooked the intelligence” to hide that Vladamir Putin wanted Hillary Clinton, not Donald Trump, as president.

Dot
Dot
February 17, 2024 8:43 am

Um

You could still get a kid from year 12 who did extension maths 1 or 2, music, modern history and perhaps chem and physics along with advanced English. Maybe that’s too many subjects, nip it down to advanced maths (old 2 unit mathematics; they still do calc and probability).

Yes but other than calculus and chem, that was standard by Year 9.

“But standards haven’t fallen”; well why do so many think that anecdotally then when IQ is also objectively falling in the West?

Alamak!
February 17, 2024 8:46 am

bloody hell that posted article by JA is powerful stuff. thanks for sharing.

feelthebern
feelthebern
February 17, 2024 8:46 am

Putin is spreading fair and free elections to Ukraine, then soon, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and Poland, which also shouldn’t exist as punishment for corrupting Russian into Ukrainian.

This is why it needs to be made clear to Putin when the US & Russia are carving up Ukraine (& they will, it’s just a matter of time) that if he tries this shit again it’s nuke time.

Dot
Dot
February 17, 2024 8:49 am

Bespoke

I refer to the hot mike commentary between Medvedev & Obama, as well as the phone conversation between Trump and Zelensky. I’m factually correct and I have the receipts.

Clinton & Biden are of the war party.
Putin is in his own war party.
Both groups see Ukraine as ripe for plunder.

Zelensky and Trump aren’t perfect.

They’re not warmongers though and they don’t rig elections.

The billions of dollars of graft regarding the war stay in the US. US Congresscrittters have special interests. The vast majority of special interests are US based.

Dot
Dot
February 17, 2024 8:54 am

There’s some very gay (as a drawer full of hot pink dildoes) AI art of Russia as the last hope of Christendom & the Huwhite man.

It has maned male lions & roided up angels carrying a Russian flag around, atop of a mountain of skulls.

Truth be told, it’s degeneracy LARPing as trad Orthobro.

Rafiki
Rafiki
February 17, 2024 8:55 am

Janet Albrechsten has written a fine defence of her role. But in the current Drumgold case it’s not her behaviour that is in question. It’s Sofronoff’s, and the question is not whether he was biased, but whether a reasonable person, being aware of his contacts with Albrechsten, and presumably knowledge of what she was writing , would have apprehended that he might not bring an unbiased mind to his inquiry.
Many ordinary and reasonable folk might so apprehend. Will Kaye J? Not an easy question to answer.
Of course, Kaye J has much room for choice,

Alamak!
February 17, 2024 8:57 am

Re education standards.

Kids do not need to memorise times table to pass math now. Likewise passing spelling tests not required. And primary schools do not believe in doing homework. Whle boys are expected to fail and pushed into counselling and ADHD treatments.

Not surprised at the outcomes.

Rafiki
Rafiki
February 17, 2024 8:58 am

Note too that Albrechsten says that an assertion of wrongdoing is worth nothing if not subject to cross-examination.
May the same be said of an assertion of innocence?

Alamak!
February 17, 2024 9:03 am

May the same be said of an assertion of innocence?

Innocence is the assumed state, unless someone pleads guilty.

No cross-examination needed to verify. Brittney case shows what happens when its assumed someone is guilty and case prosecuted on that basis in court and media

/IANAL

Diogenes
Diogenes
February 17, 2024 9:04 am

They could also recite Australian poems from memory to entertain themselves or pick up a musical instrument and produce a half decent piece.

Also a byproduct of few distractions of an evening, more primitive mechanical aids, and lack of ready money.

At home of an evening, you read, listened to the wireless or repaired something that was repairable because you didn’t have money to replace it.

MatrixTransform
February 17, 2024 9:04 am

John Cadogan … $38bn Tax on New Utes!

Dot
Dot
February 17, 2024 9:10 am

Janet Albrechsten has written a fine defence of her role. But in the current Drumgold case it’s not her behaviour that is in question. It’s Sofronoff’s, and the question is not whether he was biased, but whether a reasonable person, being aware of his contacts with Albrechsten, and presumably knowledge of what she was writing , would have apprehended that he might not bring an unbiased mind to his inquiry.

That’s nice.

Who lied under oath?

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
February 17, 2024 9:11 am

I guess the chap is in for a shock when he returns to find water damage inside and local possums have taken a liking to his digs. LOL.

Possums, roos, and possibly Tasmanian Tigers.

All lunch for the Chinee.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
February 17, 2024 9:18 am

Note too that Albrechsten says that an assertion of wrongdoing is worth nothing if not subject to cross-examination.
May the same be said of an assertion of innocence?

It may.

And that principle is certainly not confined to matters of justice. Looking around at the social and economic debris of the past few years, one sees the damage done at a once unimaginable scale by acting on untested assertions of all sorts.

Barking Toad
Barking Toad
February 17, 2024 9:18 am

I’d back Sofronoff against Dumbgold any day of the week.

Janet would play him on a brake any day too.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
February 17, 2024 9:18 am

People smugglers are back and Therapeutic Albanese cannot handle it.

Summed up by

JILL
@1Swinging_Voter
Albanese is all over this Prime Minister stuff.

Prime Minister Albanese has got his finger on the pulse of the Nation.
#PERTHNEWS
(Except for when he’s in the Car)

CrazyOldRanga
CrazyOldRanga
February 17, 2024 9:38 am

Farmer Gez @ 0837,

A Googolplex of thumbs up.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
February 17, 2024 9:38 am

…CIA “cooked the intelligence” to hide that Vladamir Putin wanted Hillary Clinton, not Donald Trump, as president.

It always struck me as odd – why would Putin have wanted Trump who was brash, loud, and unabashedly pro – America as well as known as a tough negotiator.

Compared to Hillary who was shallow, corrupt, driven by a sense of entitlement, and who had already engaged in shonky deals with Russia. Her greed and fear of being caught would have given Putin the whip hand while advancing his own agenda.

I remember the Pute saying publicly that he looked forward to working with Trump – which I took as him, being aware of the sentiment toward Russia that prevailed at the time, slyly hinting that Trump would side with America’s enemy.

Rufus T Firefly
Rufus T Firefly
February 17, 2024 9:45 am

“Russia’s Alexei Navalny, a fierce anticorruption campaigner who galvanized the country’s political opposition, has died in prison, Russian news agencies reported Friday.

The cause of his death was still being established, said prison authorities, cited by Russian news agency TASS.”

Possibly another case of Epsteinitis?
Did he upset the Clintons as well?

Perhaps we are in the beginnings of another epidemic, recall Gonzalo Lira in Ukraine.

I think we should get Fauci, Bill Gates and Pfizer involved immediately.
They will rectify the situation, ….., right?

lotocoti
lotocoti
February 17, 2024 9:47 am

I got scabies staying on Rotto in the mid nineties.

Visiting Junior Recruits played a game called Quokka soccer.

Roger
Roger
February 17, 2024 9:47 am

“Russia’s Alexei Navalny, a fierce anticorruption campaigner who galvanized the country’s political opposition, has died in prison…”

Good heavens, that’s a surprise.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 17, 2024 9:52 am

chris kenny chris kenny
Sickening hatred as Australian Jews live in fear
Will feminist Clementine Ford reflect on the rights of Israeli girls and women who were raped and slaughtered?
Picture: NCA NewsWire/Valeriu Campan

12:00AM February 17, 2024
26 Comments

Not long after I moved to Sydney in 2009, I was riding a train to the eastern suburbs watching two couples happily engrossed in their own conversations side-by-side on a bench seat. The young man in one couple wore a kippah and the woman in the other pairing wore a hijab.

It was a light-bulb moment for me, as someone familiar with Sydney but getting to know it better as my new home. I had been to Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and the West Bank, I had been to smouldering terrorist sites in Bali and Jakarta, and while I remembered the ugly, ethnically charged riots at Cronulla, here in my new home it seemed I was living in a multicultural city blissfully untroubled by ethno-religious tensions.

No longer.

This week I spoke to a Jewish-Australian friend who said she had never felt afraid in this country until now. She is so frightened and conscious of being a target that she sometimes uses a “less Jewish-sounding” name when ordering a coffee and, most heartbreakingly, she questions her judgment decades ago in giving her children Jewish names.

Another friend showed me how their home bedroom and ensuite area was encased with steel grilles and a heavy bedroom door – a safe room set-up akin to Israeli kibbutzes. With death threats sparking across cyberspace, this was the only way to create peace of mind for a decent night’s sleep.

In the supermarket a Jewish stranger introduces himself to me and explains how his wife implores him to stop wearing his ring inscribed with a Hebrew quote. He understands her concern but refuses to cower; other Jewish Australians tell me they have stopped wearing Stars of David on necklaces or have switched out kippahs for baseball caps.

Students at Jewish schools eschew their uniforms, and wearing any item identifying people as Jewish has become an act of courageous defiance. I am told Orthodox Jews with their hats, curls and tzitzit hanging from their hips are resigned to abuse and threats on the street.

In Melbourne, pro-Palestinian protesters rallied in Caulfield, deliberately intimidating Jewish communities. In Sydney, within days of the October 7 atrocities pro-Palestinian protesters were chanting “F..k the Jews” and either “Where’s the Jews” or “Gas the Jews” at the Opera House – as if either is not an abomination.

The hatred is sickening. As I was discussing this traumatic new reality with a senior member of the Jewish community, his wife chipped in with a deflating sense of inevitability, “And it will only get worse.”

In Sydney in 2024, mothers are gut-wrenched about leaving their children at Jewish schools and daycare centres knowing that what is a haven of friendship and learning for their little ones could be a target for haters. Homes and offices have been desecrated and vandalised by graffiti.

The bloodcurdling atrocities of October 7 have been celebrated not only in the West Bank and Arab nations (which is unsettling enough) but also in Western countries, including our own.

A motorist in western Sydney took out personalised plates late last year that read OCT7TH – the NSW government has recalled them.

Death threats have been made. Lists of Jewish Australians have been circulated online in deliberate doxxing episodes designed to denigrate and intimidate.

One of the doxxers, a favourite of the ABC and other leftist media, Clementine Ford, is co-curator of a Sydney feminist festival. Will she reflect on the rights of Israeli hostages raped, Israeli mothers taken hostage and Israeli babies and girls slaughtered?

Where are the feminists on these unthinkable acts? Believe all women, support all victims – unless they are Jewish.

Holocaust survivors, who have always seen this country as their lifesaving, post-war haven, are suddenly transported back to the brutal bigotry of the Nazis.

Hungarian refugee Suzi Smeed, 79, told me on Sky News, “It makes my blood run cold.” She recognises the resurgent anti-Semitism, the “same old lies told over and over again”, and says it is terrifying.

I drive, ride or walk past a Jewish school most days, and when I first moved into this neighbourhood a decade ago I wondered if the security was not a little over the top. Even with my background in terrorism, conflict and classified briefings about extremist threats at home and abroad I would wander past, see the armed guards and security fences, and think quietly to myself, “Really?”

Tragically, the security judgment of Jewish schools and organisations can no longer be questioned. Where Jewish Australians gather in this country they need protection, now more than ever. What have we become?

None of those Sydney Opera House protesters has been arrested, let alone charged. Anti-Jewish posters, graffiti and online bile have become commonplace. Our political leaders do not hit back strongly enough. Their constant and often illogical criticism of Israel only encourages the haters.

At least 130 people who were kidnapped by Hamas on that horrific day, when 1200 others were slaughtered, are still held hostage in Gaza. Yet politicians, activists and media constantly demand that Israel ceases fire – they give license to the Hamas extremists by putting the onus on Israel to stop defending itself, instead of putting heat on Hamas to hand over its hostages and cease its terrorism.

Whatever you think of the geopolitics, we cannot ignore the message being sent by the UN and most Western nations. When countries such as the US, Canada, New Zealand and Australia are demanding that Israel does not confront Hamas in Rafah, it gives free rein to the Israel haters and anti-Semites at home, shifting blame on to Israeli and Jewish victims.

We all want peace, we all want civilians protected and we all want a permanent, secure resolution. But this is a topsy-turvy view of a life-and-death struggle.

Hamas should be condemned for hiding its operatives in and underneath Rafah. Hamas should be denounced for using the civilians of Rafah as human shields and holding hostages there.

The international community should be applying maximum pressure on Hamas to surrender the hostages, exit Rafah and lay down its arms. Every bit of public pressure it puts on Israel dimin­ishes the pressure on Hamas to do this and increases the hatred directed at Jews around the world.

This is so palpable now that we saw television commercials against anti-Semitism aired during the Super Bowl this week. One highlighted how silence is complicity in the face of this hatred, and my favourite showed how a good neighbour could help shield a Jewish American child from these slurs.

We all need to stand up.

Our leaders and authorities have stood up before for our Muslim communities, fearful of a backlash triggered by Islamist terrorist acts (thankfully such reprisals never came – not after 9/11, not after Bali and not after the Lindt Cafe siege). Why, then, are authorities so impotent against the very real threats, targeting and viciousness directed at our Jewish communities now?

Liberal senator for NSW Dave Sharma has a rare insight into all aspects of this issue because he is a former ambassador to Israel and former member for the federal seat of Wentworth, home to large Jewish-Australian communities. He is disturbed.

“No community in Australia should be forced to endure the level of fear and insecurity that the Jewish community is experiencing,” Sharma told me. “This is a failing of the most basic duty of government.”

He says Labor has been too conflicted on these issues. And too slow to condemn anti-Semitism.

Unfortunately, hatred is in our human DNA. If we believe in love, we must know about hate; if we believe in God, we must acknowledge evil; and if we respect generosity, selflessness, and courage, we must also bristle at their opposites. We cannot pretend these realities away.

You do not have to be a fundamentalist to understand that life is a constant struggle between these opposing sides of the ledger. You just need to be world-wise, a student of history or a realist.

People often, wisely, refer to the Edmund Burke dictum: “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men (or women) to do nothing.” (Yes, I know, Burke might not have uttered these words, precisely, but he wrote something similar and John Stuart Mill said pretty much the same a century later.)

It is about vigilance. It is about eschewing complacency and embracing an ongoing struggle.

John Howard used to talk about economic reform being a never-ending race. We need to have the same attitude towards improving our society, building cohesion and tolerance. We are a long way from the finish line.

Rabz
Rabz
February 17, 2024 9:54 am

Good morning Cats – just trying to see if I’m still going into moderation.

Rabz
February 17, 2024 9:54 am

Arrggghhh … wrong email address.

Indolent
Indolent
February 17, 2024 9:55 am
H B Bear
H B Bear
February 17, 2024 9:56 am

Hendo prints what we’ve been saying for years. Well done all involved.

Baba
Baba
February 17, 2024 9:58 am

Who benefits from Navalny’s timely death? Not Putin.

Tom
Tom
February 17, 2024 10:01 am

New Poll: 86% of voters say only American citizens should be allowed to vote

The USA doesn’t have a functioning Greens party, but it has the same 10-15% of fruitcakes as Australia.

Dot
Dot
February 17, 2024 10:02 am

Baba
Feb 17, 2024 9:58 AM
Who benefits from Navalny’s timely death? Not Putin.

You’re insane, bucko.

Roger
Roger
February 17, 2024 10:04 am

If Albanese were serious about there being no place for antisemitism in Australia, he’d start with the ALP, certain branches in western Sydney in particular.

Boambee John
Boambee John
February 17, 2024 10:05 am

Indolent
Feb 17, 2024 9:55 AM
Only 86%?

New Poll: 86% of voters say only American citizens should be allowed to vote

The other 14% are non-citizens who want to, or have already, voted and their leftard enablers.

Roger
Roger
February 17, 2024 10:08 am

Incidentally, Keir Starmer, having seen off Albo’s mate Jeremy Corbyn, is facing the same issue in the British Labour Party.

Tom
Tom
February 17, 2024 10:12 am

Good point, BJ at 10.05am.

It’s quite likely that 10%+ of America’s current population are illegal immigrants. That is, north of 40 million.

Roger
Roger
February 17, 2024 10:14 am

Why, then, are authorities so impotent against the very real threats, targeting and viciousness directed at our Jewish communities now?

They’re not impotent, Chris Kenny.

They’re choosing not to use their powers.

Eyrie
Eyrie
February 17, 2024 10:18 am

Visiting Junior Recruits played a game called Quokka soccer.

Worthy of 25 strokes of the Rattan cane. Arseholes.

Roger
Roger
February 17, 2024 10:20 am

Regional QLD newspaper headline:

‘Suspected stolen car flees after smashing into 83-year-old volunteer’

On foot, I presume.

Do we file this under stupidity or mendacity?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 17, 2024 10:21 am

Chemistry is dying.

The Coming Clash Between Woke Ideology and Big Science (16 Feb)

Unlike psychology, biology, or medicine, the field of chemistry in which I work once seemed relatively unscathed by the “woke” revolution. Aside from perennial calls for more diversity and one-sided views on climate change, the professional organizations that I belong to have merely dabbled in the politically correct.

Until now, that is.

In October, the American Chemical Society released its “Inclusivity Style Guide” for scientific publications. This extremely long document instructs chemists to examine their results for “what factors contribute to inequities,” “how to describe antifat oppression,” and that “someone’s gender does not dictate what their body looks like.” This so-called style guide is easily the single greatest repository of woke nonsense I have ever encountered — a digital one-stop shop of the most extreme, politically-correct, leftist thinking available today. Very little of it is applicable to chemistry, and even less could be classified as science.

The woke takeover of Big Science — that behemoth of research dollars, Ph.D.s, and lab coats — has finally reached the hard sciences. The world of Big Science ended not with a Big Bang but a whimper.

I’ve commented before how climate bedwetting took over my old chemistry department. Now it seems chemistry is going to have the full set of woke ideology rammed down its throat. I’m very glad I was born last century and not this one.

lotocoti
lotocoti
February 17, 2024 10:22 am

They’re choosing not to use their powers.

Going along to get along, just like the Pommy Plod.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
February 17, 2024 10:23 am

What a clusterf*ck!

LOL.

Steve Inman:

His first and last day on the job

Zafiro
Zafiro
February 17, 2024 10:26 am

Worthy of 25 strokes of the Rattan cane. Arseholes.

Too right. I went to Rottnest Island when I was a very young kid and petted some Quokkas. Nice creatures and friendly for Marsupials. I have a photo of it.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
February 17, 2024 10:30 am

If you own a business in New York, flee.

If you live in California. Flee.

Zafiro
Zafiro
February 17, 2024 10:33 am

If you live in California. Flee.

Then bring your wokeness to where ever you fled.

shatterzzz
February 17, 2024 10:34 am

I guess the chap is in for a shock when he returns to find water damage inside and local possums have taken a liking to his digs. LOL.

That story reminds me of my next door neighbours and NSW Housing several years ago .. during a big storm a 60 feet gum crashed onto the roof, straight thru the tiles and snapped a coupla roof beams .. These folks didn’t speak enuf English to phone anyone so I rang the “houso” hotline told ’em what the problem was .. answer ..
“it’s Saturday night .. no one available ’til Monday .. ring back then” .. and hung up ..
Next call to Fairfield SES .. they were out in 30 minutes, chomped the tree and tarpaul-ed the roof damage ….
“Houso” didn’t turn up ’til the following Wednesday …..!

lotocoti
lotocoti
February 17, 2024 10:36 am

Worthy of 25 strokes of the Rattan cane. Arseholes.

Leeuwin was a bit of a gladiator school for fourteen-year-olds,
back then.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
February 17, 2024 10:37 am

Excellent summary of the situation by Chris Kenny.

He mentioned the 7OCT number plate. You have to wonder how that was even approved. If the owners driving licence showed it was his birthday then may be I could accept it.

Surely the plate office have a guideline to assess such applications and even if the civil servant was a moron a simple date search would have picked it up. Would be interesting to know how much the plate cost.

blind freddy
blind freddy
February 17, 2024 10:42 am

. I’m very glad I was born last century and not this one.

ditto

H B Bear
H B Bear
February 17, 2024 10:43 am

I guess the chap is in for a shock when he returns to find water damage inside and local possums have taken a liking to his digs. LOL.

Couple of houses here on one of the cross streets clearly unoccupied, possibly since the date of construction. No maintenance either which is one of the key differences between property and shares. Plenty of rust becoming apparent. You would hope it’s just surface but there’s no guarantee.

Roger
Roger
February 17, 2024 10:46 am

Excellent summary of the situation by Chris Kenny.

I’m sure it makes him feel better but it he doesn’t hold anyone’s feet to the fire.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
February 17, 2024 10:48 am

Grey Ranga agree on Aussie ferry prices and some of ours are Government subsidised.

20sen for the ferry from Butterworth to Penang the last time I did it.

About 100baht to cross the Mekhong R to Laos the last time I did that.

Mind you the last two may not have had AS/NZ standards hence the price.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 17, 2024 10:49 am

AI image generation still has a bit of a way to go yet.

Scientists aghast at bizarre AI rat with huge genitals in peer-reviewed article (16 Feb, via Instapundit)

The article in question is titled “Cellular functions of spermatogonial stem cells in relation to JAK/STAT signaling pathway,” which was authored by three researchers in China

I fondly remember Chinglish in user manuals. We now have an AI version of it for pictures and science diagrams.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 17, 2024 10:49 am

“Russia’s Alexei Navalny, a fierce anticorruption campaigner who galvanized the country’s political opposition, has died in prison…”

Yes, but the main subway station is very nice and Tucker was able to get organic kippers at the supermarket near his hotel.

Indolent
Indolent
February 17, 2024 10:54 am
Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
February 17, 2024 10:55 am

Zafiro
Feb 17, 2024 10:33 AM
If you live in California. Flee.

Then bring your wokeness to where ever you fled.

Actually, the evidence suggests that the ones fleeing are the smart ones. The ones left behind are the wokes. Maybe I should have stated it better.

Zafiro
Zafiro
February 17, 2024 10:55 am

Tucker was able to get organic kippers

More likely Rollmops. I don’t think Yanks are Kipper aware. Or Russkis.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
February 17, 2024 10:56 am

Yes, but the main subway station is very nice and Tucker was able to get organic kippers at the supermarket near his hotel.

Tucker was after the caviar.

H B Bear
H B Bear
February 17, 2024 10:56 am

Teh Weekend Paywallian

has a story of the retirement of the Victoriastan ombudsman (a woman for what it’s worth). It is not pretty reading.

H B Bear
H B Bear
February 17, 2024 10:58 am

Interesting formatting. Might need some work.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
February 17, 2024 11:00 am

lotocoti
Feb 17, 2024 10:22 AM
They’re choosing not to use their powers.

Going along to get along, just like the Pommy Plod.

NSW Plod and VIC Plod as well.

H B Bear
H B Bear
February 17, 2024 11:03 am

The Rotto ferry is pure monopoly behaviour. Every few years there is a price war till someone goes under. Then everyone goes back on the gouge. If you’re going to Rotto on the ferry you’re doing it wrong. Ditto setting foot on the island.

132andBush
132andBush
February 17, 2024 11:06 am

Well said, Gez.

A visit to the “school room” display at the Woods Farming and Heritage Museum (Rupanyup) will give you an idea what standards were like.
You can flick through an exercise book from Grade 8 in the early 1920’s and see what they were taught in all the major subjects.
To say we are now three years behind what they were back then is probably being kind.

alwaysright
alwaysright
February 17, 2024 11:10 am

If you own a business in New York, flee.

If you live in Viktoristan and can escape. Do it.

Roger
Roger
February 17, 2024 11:11 am

The UK is officially in recession.

Further, GDP per capita is now below Q4 2017 levels and the standard of living and quality of life has been going backwards for at least two years.

Perhaps their population ponzi will stimulate some much needed growth – 745 000 in 2021/22 & 672 000 in 2022/23.

Zafiro
Zafiro
February 17, 2024 11:12 am

The Queenscliff-Sorrento ferry seemed pretty expensive if you want to load your car on. Otherwise I think it is reasonable if just a foot passenger. Went to a wedding over there a few years back. I can’t recall what we paid but it seemed a tad steep.

SandyK
SandyK
February 17, 2024 11:12 am

John H says “How to win an election Putin style

Western officials and Kremlin critics blame Putin and his government for Navalny’s death in prison”

Should read “Western officials and Kremlin critics blame Putin and his government for Epstein’s death in prison”

Crossie
Crossie
February 17, 2024 11:14 am

Charlie Kirk
@charliekirk11
BREAKING: President Trump is ordered to pay $364 Million in the NY civil fraud trial by Judge Engoron. Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump ordered to pay $4 Million.
This is a case with zero victims, all loans were repaid, and the banks even testified in defense of Trump Hotels.
If you own a business in New York, flee.

It’s not just anybody who is not welcome to do business in New York, it’s only Republicans, so far. Those New Yorkers who are applauding this decision may find out that one day it may be them at the receiving end and then they will wonder how that could happen.

Eyrie
Eyrie
February 17, 2024 11:16 am

AI image generation still has a bit of a way to go yet

See hushkit.net
Guy put some British aircraft names into a couple of AI’s. Bizarre.

Dot
Dot
February 17, 2024 11:17 am

“Putin can’t be bad because we know how bad our own government(s) is(are).”

The same thinking would have lionised Brezhnev.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
February 17, 2024 11:18 am

One of Joe Rogans recent podcasts was with Bret Weinstein.

Weinstein has been pretty good on most aspects of the virus and vaccines since the start. He was one of the early ones saying it was the lab not animals origin.

He made an interesting comment about why the uptake of the jab was so important. It was not the hundreds of billions made by Pfizer etc. It was the importance of getting people to accept the MNRA delivery system itself. That will lead to far more significant riches for the industry.

He said people had been working on the system for years. However once injected there was no way to control where the lipid nanoparticles went. As such it would have had difficulties getting approved via normal trials. The Covid emergency use authorisation meant they circumvented the normal trials. He thinks the system is flawed and should not be used.

For those who have been paying attention one of the most important aspects of the vaccine saga has been what happened after it entered the arm. Both the TGA and CDC initially said it stayed in the arm. I saw Senator Rennick questioning TGA on that point and they basically lied. Not only that the media coverage made out that Rennick was an anti vaxxer and making stuff up. Literally a few days later I saw a comparison of before and after of CDC web page where they had deleted the reference to staying in the arm.

The fact the particles can travel anywhere in the body explains the variety of adverse events. Weinstein, like many others, believes quality control has been a major issue.

If you look at the main players like Bill Gates, vaccine CEO’s, WHO and various so called health organisations they are all going on about producing vaccines within 100 days and without human trials.

Meanwhile the Government’s of Australia, Canada and UK have entered into long term production agreements with Mod RNA. Their Melbourne 100m jab per year plant is already being built.

Dot
Dot
February 17, 2024 11:18 am

This is a case with zero victims, all loans were repaid, and the banks even testified in defense of Trump Hotels.

!!!

Eyrie
Eyrie
February 17, 2024 11:18 am

Western officials and Kremlin critics blame Putin and his government for Navalny’s death in prison”

The West has no moral high ground.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 17, 2024 11:19 am

It’s not just anybody who is not welcome to do business in New York, it’s only Republicans, so far.

Class-enemies you mean. Corporations are fleeing Delaware after the locals monstered Elon for wrongthink. He’s not a Republican although that red-pill he ate is working. He’s moved his businesses to Texas.

Manhattan is going to be an empty shell before long, infested only by rats and lefties.

Crossie
Crossie
February 17, 2024 11:20 am

lotocoti
Feb 17, 2024 10:22 AM
They’re choosing not to use their powers.

Going along to get along, just like the Pommy Plod.

Sadly the UK police are not just going along to get along, they are deliberately persecuting Christians for reasons that they wouldn’t dream of doing to any other religion. I remember seeing the recent report of the Christian singer being forbidden to sing Christian songs on the street and in the same report it was shown how an imam was allowed to do the same on the Tower Bridge.

JC
JC
February 17, 2024 11:26 am

Dot
Feb 17, 2024 11:18 AM

This is a case with zero victims, all loans were repaid, and the banks even testified in defense of Trump Hotels.

!!!

And the judge had already decided the case without a jury (not that it mattered being in NYC), and it was only a matter of how much.

Judge smiling to the camera. Trump should have jumped over and choked him to death.

Makka
Makka
February 17, 2024 11:27 am

T

he West has no moral high ground.

Quite right, none. As far as getting rid of opposition or “loos ends” the US is doing quite ok (Epstein and Arkancide?). And hypocrisy in remaining silent over Lira’s torture and execution by Ukraine isn’t covering the west in glory either. As for rigged elections and corrupt judiciary, don’t make me laugh.

At least Putin isn’t flooding his country with shitholers that gang rape kids on his streets. Or promoting deviant tranny library books in his schools.

In fact, the west should just stfu.

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
February 17, 2024 11:28 am

Here is yet another shamelessly one-sided piece of advocacy masquerading as news from the GayBC:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-17/conversion-therapy-still-legal-in-wa-lgbtqia-community-concerned/103472100

Tom
Tom
February 17, 2024 11:29 am

Zafiro, a golfing mate brought his car over and back on the Queenscliff-Sorrento ferry a couple of weeks ago. He paid the special discount advance-purchase rate of $150 return for the 40-minute, 20kms trip.

Australia has been the world capital of such monopoly scams since white settlement.

Crossie
Crossie
February 17, 2024 11:30 am

Bourne1879
Feb 17, 2024 10:37 AM
Excellent summary of the situation by Chris Kenny.

He mentioned the 7OCT number plate. You have to wonder how that was even approved. If the owners driving licence showed it was his birthday then may be I could accept it.

Surely the plate office have a guideline to assess such applications and even if the civil servant was a moron a simple date search would have picked it up. Would be interesting to know how much the plate cost.

You are giving the bureaucrats too much credit, they don’t think of any such things until something like this blows up in their faces. This is not just the frontline staff but the well remunerated bosses and their advisors.

Roger
Roger
February 17, 2024 11:31 am

To paraphrase Solzhenitsyn (The Gulag Archipelago), the dividing line between good and evil does not run through states but through the human heart. He then goes on to muse that even an evil person retains a bridgehead of the good in their heart. Otherwise, I would add, they would appear to us as quite obviously less than human. And that is also how they fool the gullible and exploit the trustful.

Oh come on
Oh come on
February 17, 2024 11:34 am

I love all of the Western media’s bleating over Navalny’s “suspicious” death. Haven’t heard a peep out of them whilst mid-40 to mid-50 year olds have been dropping like flies over the last couple of years.

Citizen, you must remember who your enemy is!

Crossie
Crossie
February 17, 2024 11:35 am

Manhattan is going to be an empty shell before long, infested only by rats and lefties.

Good, then law and order might return there once again.

I have been to New York City three times, the first time in 2003 it still had the old magic. The second time was in 2014 and it already started looking like it was fraying at the edges. The third time was in 2018 and the place was definitely decaying.

Baba
Baba
February 17, 2024 11:35 am

There’s your ordinary garden variety coincidence, then there’s your piano in the bush coincidence.

lotocoti
lotocoti
February 17, 2024 11:36 am

Beginning to suspect someone is a bit dottie
after being caught in a Russian Bride scam.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 17, 2024 11:37 am

Nats are pisspots.

Nationals deputy leader Perin Davey admits to drinking alcohol prior to appearing before parliamentary committee but declares: ‘I don’t think I was drunk’ (Sky, 17 Feb)

Barnaby Joyce ‘deeply embarrassed’ over footpath incident (Sky, 17 Feb)

I can’t say I blame either of them. Politics in this country is so depressingly abysmal and stupid it’d drive anyone to strong likker.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
February 17, 2024 11:37 am

Will Chamberlain
@willchamberlain

Between the United States and Russia, one country just arbitrarily seized the assets of an oligarch opposed to the regime, and is trying to jail him

The other country is Russia

Crossie
Crossie
February 17, 2024 11:39 am

At least Putin isn’t flooding his country with shitholers that gang rape kids on his streets. Or promoting deviant tranny library books in his schools.

For that alone Putin might have an easier time than Biden when he faces the Creator.

Tom
Tom
February 17, 2024 11:39 am

Nats are pisspots.

In fact, they’re as full as a Catholic school (h/t Sir Les Patterson).

miltonf
miltonf
February 17, 2024 11:41 am

At least Putin isn’t flooding his country with shitholers that gang rape kids on his streets. Or promoting deviant tranny library books in his schools.

In fact, the west should just stfu.

correct and the only reason they (the western establishment and their presstitutes) make out that it’s a problem is they want a war with Russia. Just listen to those Nato and pommy army pricks.

Roger
Roger
February 17, 2024 11:41 am

For that alone Putin might have an easier time than Biden when he faces the Creator.

God doesn’t grade on a curve.

Makka
Makka
February 17, 2024 11:42 am

The EU, UK and US and their media lackeys would love nothing more than to have Russia governed by woke leftist deviant scum, in their own image.

Crossie
Crossie
February 17, 2024 11:42 am

OldOzzie
Feb 17, 2024 11:37 AM
Will Chamberlain
@willchamberlain

Between the United States and Russia, one country just arbitrarily seized the assets of an oligarch opposed to the regime, and is trying to jail him

The other country is Russia

The funny thing is that Biden’s handlers think that nobody can see it.

Oh come on
Oh come on
February 17, 2024 11:44 am

Should read “Western officials and Kremlin critics blame Putin and his government for Epstein’s death in prison”

The comparison isn’t totally unreasonable in some respects – at the time of their deaths, Navalny and Epstein were similarly popular in, and had about the same likelihood of becoming president of, their respective countries.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 17, 2024 11:45 am

then there’s your piano in the bush coincidence

One month to the Russian Presidential Election. Another amazing coincidence!

I was wondering if Navalny’s heart attack was due to lead poisoning, since Novichok didn’t work the last time. Very rapid lead poisoning.

Can’t say I like any government much, seeing what has been happening to Assange in the UK, Duggan here, Gonzalo Lira in Ukraine and Navalny in Russia. Bit of a plague of fascism going on right now.

H B Bear
H B Bear
February 17, 2024 11:48 am

In fact, the west should just stfu.

Not doing so well on the whole Rule of Law thing overall.

Boambee John
Boambee John
February 17, 2024 11:48 am

Bruce of N

Manhattan is going to be an empty shell before long, infested only by rats and lefties.

Is there a significant difference?

Oh come on
Oh come on
February 17, 2024 11:49 am

The difference between Putin and pretty much every other Western leader I can think of is that Putin appears to actually like his country and care about its people.

Well, Viktor Orban does as well.

Must be a coincidence that Western elites despise them so.

Dot
Dot
February 17, 2024 11:52 am

Lira’s torture and execution by Ukraine

???

He was an overweight heavy smoker with a terminal illness (and a death wish).

He was repeatedly warned to shut up or leave – he wasn’t a citizen. He was ordered to leave and didn’t.

He died in a hospital, under-resourced, due to a war he supported.

Dot
Dot
February 17, 2024 11:53 am

Beginning to suspect someone is a bit dottie
after being caught in a Russian Bride scam.

Whom? Gonzalo Lira?

Oh come on
Oh come on
February 17, 2024 11:53 am

If the 2020 election wasn’t fortified, you’d be able to count Trump in that small group of leaders who also appears to like his country and care about its people. And is also despised by Western elites.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
February 17, 2024 11:55 am

Looks like those sanctions against Russia are working out just fine. Tucker C shopping in Moscow.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1758097544708538621

Real Deal
Real Deal
February 17, 2024 11:56 am

The difference between Putin and pretty much every other Western leader I can think of is that Putin appears to actually like his country and care about its people.

Yes, but he seems to have a peculiar distaste for some of his fellow countrymen and political rivals who also love their country.

I wouldn’t really like to be invited to afternoon tea with him.

Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
February 17, 2024 11:56 am

Holocaust survivors, who have always seen this country as their lifesaving, post-war haven, are suddenly transported back to the brutal bigotry of the Nazis.

Thanks to multiculturalism going a step too far.

Oh come on
Oh come on
February 17, 2024 11:57 am

One month to the Russian Presidential Election. Another amazing coincidence!

Not really. How does his death help Putin in the election? Navalny was a nothingburger in Russia and had been for many years.

Still waiting on those links, by the way.

miltonf
miltonf
February 17, 2024 11:57 am

Not doing so well on the whole Rule of Law thing overall.

No. If I turn up at LA international airport from Melbourne they might let me in for 3 or 6 months. Someone walks across from Ciudad Juárez and you stay as long as you like plus somewhere to stay free of charge. Same with Pommyland. I wouldn’t bother going anymore until the rule of rule is enforced without fear or favour. Pisses me right off that my Dad and Grandfather nearly got killed fighting for Britain.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
February 17, 2024 11:58 am

Immigration Drives Male Population ‘Boom’ in Canada

The latest demographic data from Canada showed the male population increasing by 3.4 percent, while females grew by only 2.9 percent, the widest disparity between the sexes in almost half a century.

Analysts pointed to heavy immigration from military-age males as a driving force in the demographic shift.

Bloomberg BNN noted on Thursday that almost all of Canada’s net population growth is due to immigration, “especially among foreign students and temporary workers.”

“From the late 1970s to around the early 2010s, Canada’s population increasingly skewed female, but the trend has been reversing over the past decade as the male cohort grew faster. In 2022, the gap between men and women was at its narrowest in more than 30 years,” BNN said.

The male-female imbalance in Canada is even more pronounced among young people, where the male population grew 4.8 percent but females grew only 3.9 percent. Demographic analysts pointed out that older, homogenous populations in advanced economies usually skew female because women live longer, but heavy immigration tends to bring in large numbers of young men.

Canada’s two largest sources of immigrants are India and the Philippines.

From the Comments presumably based on the Photo with the Article

– Rapefugees.

– Canada is in total self destruct mode.

– Better stock-up on bear spray, Ladies.

– Invaders doing what invaders do.

– All those dusky skinned random males roaming around, gee, what could go wrong?

Oh come on
Oh come on
February 17, 2024 11:58 am

political rivals who also love their country.

Who wanted to return Russia to the good old days of the 1990s? Oh yeah, he really loved his country. It was doing so well back then. No wonder he was so popular.

cohenite
February 17, 2024 11:59 am

This engoron judge (!) is a freak; there’s got be something strange in his past. But what amazes me is the number of sheeple who still believe the charges against Trump have any validity and don’t threaten the justice system. These brain dead chumps are the real problem because with any reasonable sort of media coverage any reasonably brained person would see the transparent, obvious shit being perpetrated against Trump and the rest of society.

As for the fani willis debacle it astounds me that this skank is not already in the clink for her outrageous behaviour in the court. For me the real outrage with her is that any human would root her.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
February 17, 2024 11:59 am

Cyclone Lincoln, lots of talk online among weather watchers about it being named. My thoughts na and when they named it it only had 2 quadrants with strong winds. Usually 3-4 but once upon a time it had to be all 4. It did bomb after sundown when the diurnal cycle kicked in but was already half over land, too late.

MSLP below 996mb bottoming out at 993mb so meets Cat 1 standard. Wind speeds at Centre Is closest to the system at 63km/h briefly early on then for half an hour between 1730h & 1800h, second part Cat 1 though barely. Ok gusts, the bottom standard for gusts has been removed but under an older standard in would not have qualified for a Cat 1 as maximum gust came in at 85km/h below the 90-124 km/h for a Cat 1 standard.

In other words windy “rain bomb” that towelled up a relatively uninhabited part of the NT.

I’d be more worried about the convection this drags from a monsoonal flow into an already sodden part of the NT.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 17, 2024 12:00 pm

Build absolutely nothing anywhere near anyone, unless it is a banana plastic plant.

How bananas can be used to fight the plastic waste crisis (Phys.org, 16 Feb)

“Many of us consume at least one banana a day,” Janaswamy said. “After enjoying the delicious fruit, we discard the peel. What if we could find a use for the peel that helps eliminate plastic waste?”

Is a plastic banana made out of banana plastic a banana? That’s a fun philosophical question. Meanwhile we here in Australia are getting a new banana.

Australia is getting a totally new banana (News.com.au, 16 Feb)

Queensland researchers have just received news over 20 years in the making – their genetically modified banana species called QCAV-4 has been approved by Food Standards Australia and New Zealand (FSANZ).

Hopefully it doesn’t taste like plastic.

Zafiro
Zafiro
February 17, 2024 12:00 pm

Australia has been the world capital of such monopoly scams since white settlement.

Cheers Tom. It was something like that when we went over a few years back. Saves a buggerising drive around the whole bay. Nice trip etc but pricey enough.

Eyrie
Eyrie
February 17, 2024 12:00 pm

Bit of a plague of fascism going on right now

A pandemic of government. A mind virus afflicts those in government that convinces them they can and should do anything and everything.

Roger
Roger
February 17, 2024 12:02 pm

Thanks to multiculturalism going a step too far.

Accepting the premise of multiculturalism was the first step that brought us here.

Tom
Tom
February 17, 2024 12:04 pm

The difference between Putin and pretty much every other Western leader I can think of is that Putin appears to actually like his country and care about its people.

Even though he’s corrupt, Putin is a nationalist.

Trump is a nationalist.

Using a corrupt, senile old Democrat as its puppet president, the American left/news media has used Putin as a propaganda bogeyman since Trump was elected in 2016.

The American media despises the majority of Americans because they love their country — i.e., they’re nationalists.

No need to join the dots. the left has already done it for you.

H B Bear
H B Bear
February 17, 2024 12:04 pm

miltonf at 11:57- I meant Russia but your point is well made. Law enforcement is much easier against certain elements of society.

miltonf
miltonf
February 17, 2024 12:05 pm

Agree Tom.

miltonf
miltonf
February 17, 2024 12:06 pm

Thanks Bear.

Rabz
February 17, 2024 12:07 pm

Speaking of Arkancide, is Ghislaine Maxwell still alive?

Makka
Makka
February 17, 2024 12:07 pm

Someone walks across from Ciudad Juárez and you stay as long as you like plus somewhere to stay free of charge.

And if the enabling traitors in Govt have their way, the shitholers will be given Green cards, access to free education and many Govt benefits And the right to vote , if they vote the right way of course. Meanwhile, the same traitors are going all out to put their overwhelming popular opponent in jail. Where he can be Epsteined?

But, but, but look at Russia! Navalniy..!!

FMD.

miltonf
miltonf
February 17, 2024 12:08 pm

I was thinking about Roger’s rhetorical was to want Dreyfus and Giles learnt at Scotch. I’d say (1) hatred of the working class which they imagine to be white (2) bogans shouldn’t have nice things

miltonf
miltonf
February 17, 2024 12:10 pm

was to want = as to what

H B Bear
H B Bear
February 17, 2024 12:13 pm

As an Old Scotch Collegian I can’t add anything. Sneakers replacement in the West must have taken away the same lessons.

miltonf
miltonf
February 17, 2024 12:13 pm

But, but, but look at Russia! Navalniy..!!

FMD.

Agree- are those guys in still in jail in DC? Just fuking disgraceful.

Roger
Roger
February 17, 2024 12:14 pm

Pisses me right off that my Dad and Grandfather nearly got killed fighting for Britain.

Two great uncles were gassed in France in WW1, returned as mere shadows of the confident young country lads they were when they enlisted, never married and died in their forties. You could repeat that story tens of thousands of times over, I suppose. Keating has a point – the cost was too high and we didn’t need WWI to legitimise us. Few thought that at the time, though.

Zafiro
Zafiro
February 17, 2024 12:15 pm

Wedding we went to at Sorrento beach at some joint was classic. Missus cousin. He was on The Voice ten years ago etc. Job is Paul Stanley in A KISS cover band that get around all the big bogan pubs. Sphinx in Geelong. Pubs out Dandenong way and so forth.

Reception was at the same venue. The rockers got on stage and started rocking. It was awesome. They later asked for requests. I said can you do Celebrity Skin by Hole. “Yeah no drama” etc. They got a sheila up off a table to sing it. Sick as. Way better than Courtney Love.

Roger
Roger
February 17, 2024 12:16 pm

As an Old Scotch Collegian I can’t add anything. Sneakers replacement in the West must have taken away the same lessons.

Chap I had an argument about Israel with a few weeks ago was a Scotch alumnus.

miltonf
miltonf
February 17, 2024 12:17 pm

To Beazley’s dregs of the middle class we should add dregs of the upper class.

Rabz
February 17, 2024 12:18 pm

Looks like those sanctions against Russia are working out just fine.

Western imbeciles like the sniffer, turdeaux, BloJo, the EU etc: “Let’s impose sanctions on Wussia! They’ll lay down their weapons within a month and forcibly eject the Pute from the Kremlin.”

The exact opposite then happens. How could anyone be surprised by this?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 17, 2024 12:20 pm

Still waiting on those links, by the way.

What links OCO? I have a dim recollection you wanted something but you haven’t been specific so I didn’t bother to try guessing what you were after. I wasn’t even clear whether you were talking to me or one of the other Bruces.

If it’s about the Z War progress on the ground there’re plenty places you can look at for OSINT. I mentioned the other day that Russia had massed three armour brigades south of Avdiivka and might be able to finally take the place. News overnight suggests that’s more and more likely. Apparently there’s a Presidential Election next month, and Presidents do like a nice convenient military victory. Crazy idea I know.

Navalny was inconveniently suggesting that voters might like to vote for someone other than Vlad, which was making it harder for the Kremlin to goalseek the right majority. Having him die so conveniently clears the decks, as it were, and also sends a useful message to the proles.

The US of course is doing the exact same thing with the J6 detainees and Trump666. Shut up, all explain.

(The really creepy proposed Canadian legislation is another example.)

Bill P
Bill P
February 17, 2024 12:21 pm

Tom, re Nat pisspots, I always liked “full as the family commode”
Dunno who to h/t.

H B Bear
H B Bear
February 17, 2024 12:22 pm

Think The Bomber might be Old Scotch as well. Which doesn’t help.

Makka
Makka
February 17, 2024 12:22 pm

Keating has a point – the cost was too high and we didn’t need WWI to legitimise us.

I remember my first visit to King’s Park in Perth, seeing the WW1 memorial and knowing at the time how small WA was then in terms of it’s population. The losses were absolutely staggering. I left on that visit genuinely sad, But I love the place. It’s positioned perfectly above the city and river. Where such reflection belongs.

miltonf
miltonf
February 17, 2024 12:22 pm

the cost was too high and we didn’t need WWI to legitimise us

yes just the loss of quality human stock alone has been a disaster- my local Avenue of Honour reminds me of this everyday.

Rabz
February 17, 2024 12:23 pm

the cost was too high and we didn’t need WWI to legitimise us

WW1 was the greatest disaster in human history since the fall of the Roman Empire.

The West has never recovered from it and never will.

Bruce in WA
February 17, 2024 12:24 pm

Best thing for Rotto?

Two D9s with a chain stretched between.

Level the joint and start again.

(BTW all you racists, it’s Wadjemup, not Rottnest.)

Bruce
Bruce
February 17, 2024 12:25 pm

@ Alamak!-

“Innocence is the assumed state, unless someone pleads guilty. ”

try and lis every cazetted law and rugulation from the past three decadesm, and probably much longet), in which the “pesuption of innocence” is paramount.

For a VERY long tome, this country has inexorably followed the line of the “Napoleonic Code”.

“We would not have harassed, arrested / charged / convicted / punished you if you were innocent as you claim. Good luck with your appeal after the execution.”

Note that the Russian legal system is essentially based on the “Napoleonic Code”, which also embraces the “philosophy” of the unassailable majesty of the “law”.

As for Oz: Once a penal colony; always a penal colony?

The UK is in a worse position, having once been the global beacon for ACTUAL ‘liberalism.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
February 17, 2024 12:25 pm

The Latest Feminist Phallacy

17th February 2024

Bettina Arndt

How quickly can men respond to a female red flag?

That’s a critical issue highlighted by our new “affirmative consent” laws, where not only is consent required throughout sexual activity, but women can pull the plug whenever they feel like it.

And men are expected to snap to attention and withdraw.

Easier said than done, you might say.

Well, that’s the issue.

Most judges seem to assume that there’s no problem in expecting an immediate retreat from the male in response to the female revoking consent.

Never any consideration of whether he even noticed the red flag, or realised what it was, or whether she was waving it clearly, or maybe that he might have been frozen, rendered immobile due to surprise and shock.

There’s a fascinating article on the legal issues at play here – Consent Interruptus: Rape Law and Cases of Initial Consent, by University of Western Australia law lecturer Theodore Bennett. He spells out the legal arguments resisting any notion of allowing a reasonable time to withdraw after revoked consent, with feminists objecting that this “primal urge’ argument perpetuates the myth of the unstoppable male who can’t be responsible for his rampant sexuality. Kansas State University feminist scholar Lois Pineau says the claim that men don’t have immediate control is “factually unfounded.”

Not so fast, says an expert in human factors and ergonomics (HFE), the science of how humans behave and interact with each other in various environmental contexts.

I’ll call this Australian expert “Anton Crabtree” – he’s decided he needs to disguise his identity due to the tricky ideological climate in today’s academic world.

Dr Crabtree also has expertise in aviation medicine , which is precisely the area usually associated with HFE, given its vital role in investigations of human error in situations like plane crashes.

Crabtree makes a compelling case that this type of examination of neurocognitive and physiological limitations also has bearing on whether men crash and burn in the bedroom.

“The absence of the rigorous assessment and well-established scientific considerations of Human Factors analysis is a glaring omission to any claim of a fair system of justice for persons accused of sexual assault after revoked consent. Ignoring the science inevitably risks further miscarriage of justice which can be catastrophic to individuals and families and damaging to society,” writes Dr Crabtree in an academic paper he is preparing for publication which examines case law revealing this ongoing deficiency in our justice system.

I’m including a draft of this groundbreaking research article here, hoping it will receive proper attention – particularly in legal circles where there is such a dire need for education to address the ongoing injustice occurring in these cases.

This research should also have a place in the sexual consent courses being taught in our schools and universities.

miltonf
miltonf
February 17, 2024 12:26 pm

The exact opposite then happens. How could anyone be surprised by this?

seeing these despicable imbeciles are doing everything they can to weaken their countries socially and economically what does one expect?

Blowjob, Shorten, the dauphine, ‘Sir’ Kier Starmer, Anal, ‘Dr’ Emerson etc etc. Steaming trash.

Roger
Roger
February 17, 2024 12:27 pm

The memorials in small country towns I find the most poignant. I dare say in most districts there wouldn’t have been a family untouched by the Great War – as my grandmother and her generation called it – in some way.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
February 17, 2024 12:27 pm

Jacinta Price’s Mercifully Neglected Education

17th February 2024

It is obvious that Jacinta Nampijinpa Price was not taught to hate when she was young and, obviously, she has not been taught since.

Senator Price’s grandfather. who first saw a white man as a teenager in the late 1920’s, did not imprint hate on his grand-daughter despite his own experiences. Her mother, Bess Price, would have been a six- or a seven-year-old when the 1967 Referendum was held, she was born into the tribal lifestyle which was both brutal and repressive of female members. Bess escaped when about 19 and found education and love with her white Celtic-Australian husband David Price. Together they have achieved much and demonstrated that neither colour nor culture should prevent any Australian becoming self-reliant and finding a fulfilling life. They obviously passed this on to their daughter.

Unfortunately the lessons of the October 14 referendum have not been learned and activists protesting about “Stolen Generations”, colonisation and chanting “Always was and always will be” are at it again. Many of these activists did not even grow-up Aboriginal — and some/many others are not Aboriginal at all. In recent weeks some of these activists have conflated the Australian Land Rights issue with the much denied savagery of October 7, 2023 in southern Israel.

Dot
Dot
February 17, 2024 12:28 pm

Oh come on
Feb 17, 2024 11:49 AM

The difference between Putin and pretty much every other Western leader I can think of is that Putin appears to actually like his country and care about its people.

I used to love this country pre COVID and I insist that patriots I malign such as John Howard could actually concede an election.

I will never abide by the idea that we must choose in a binary fashion between a group aligned with identities like Putin or the other group which includes entities like the nefarious Pritzkers, Daytons or Pelosis.

I don’t even have to choose between Putin and Zelensky. Nor do I have to choose between Putin and “the globalists”, whatever that means. I certainly don’t have to choose between the absolute worst of the West or the CCP.

I have principles. No, I don’t think it makes me better than everyone else. I know what I think is generally consistent. No, I’m not totally an isolationist. I have a preference towards it. Interventionism can be correct. It requires a high threshold to be justified.

Many of the same people bleating on about “globalists” now called people who opposed Bush’s wars “traitors” and un-American. This is incredibly grating. Like how anti-Bush protestors may have been all gung ho about the Arab Spring. That was justified, but who thought the consequences through? Not me, I admit. ISIS and the refugee crisis ensued.

Don’t get drawn in by this nonsense. A war isn’t a fashion statement. There’s no such thing as “Democrat wars” and “Republican wars”. Both parties have taken both isolationist and internationalist positions, both proactively and reactively. The reactive position-taking has nearly always been partisanism with no principles other than vote grabbing.

The NATO intervention in Yugoslavia was justified. The ensuing nation-building failed. Just like Iraq in 2003. Being justified, and being actually beneficial for your country may not be the same thing. A higher level of commitment in Afghanistan early on may have shortened the war. There was never a guarantee that an Islamist state would not re-emerge, but they would be disincentivised from hosting an international terrorist directing strikes against Western nations ever again. The nation-building was a complete waste and some of the cooperation and inveiglement were ridiculous, expanding to drug wars we know are a complete failure here in the West too. I don’t condemn Bill Clinton for a conveniently timed conflict in Sudan against al-Qaida. He should be blamed for not destroying al-Qaida – the WTC was bombed in 1993. Now that would have required a level of foreign adventurism; as much as I don’t take Osama bin Laden seriously what other people think of America certainly should have informed their thinking more. They got blowback from the Iraq war; they were also advised to double troop numbers for occupation, this was ignored and they tried to be cheap.

Competency and conscientiousness would have gone a long way. I think Trump exercised his duties well: he stopped ISIS in their tracks and withdrew from conflicts generally. Clinton let AQ fester, Bush II went into Iraq underprepared and Obama did not deal with ISIS effectively but destabilised the MENA further (somewhat before ISIS emerged). All living US Presidents bar Trump should rightfully be ostracised, heavily fined and banished. Harsh? It’s the most solemn political office in the world.

As for Australia, we have no choice in the matter until we can defend ourselves without relying on America, which would raise GDP spending on defence significantly at least in the short run.

I don’t have to choose between Putin/Xi or Biden/Levine. The choice was never binary and only someone benefitting from the choice between those two would assert such a choice. Western democracy, let alone Christendom was never going to be saved by an ex-KGB Lt. Col. nor a General Secretary of the Chinese Communist Party.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 17, 2024 12:28 pm

Tom, re Nat pisspots, I always liked “full as the family commode”

As full as Dolly Parton’s bra…

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 17, 2024 12:29 pm

Even though he’s corrupt, Putin is a nationalist.

Trump is a nationalist.

Tom – Putin is an imperialist. It’s a slight but significant difference from “nationalist”. Trump is indeed a nationalist but with quite strong isolationist tendencies. But the Abraham Accords show he is keen to engender international peace if he can.

Unfortunately the Dems and the deep state are still not being held to account for their blatantly criminal actions to steal 2024, so that will certainly occur. Trump will sadly not become president again. Whether the US remains intact through all of this depends on how the process goes. If the grassroots say “let’s roll” Flight 93-style it could get extremely messy.

miltonf
miltonf
February 17, 2024 12:32 pm

WW1 was the greatest disaster in human history since the fall of the Roman Empire.

The West has never recovered from it and never will.

It’s interesting taking the long view now that it’s over 100 years since it ended and it sure seems that way. Post WWII the west seemed very strong and healthy but that was illusory.

Dot
Dot
February 17, 2024 12:34 pm

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cohenite
Feb 17, 2024 11:59 AM

This engoron judge (!) is a freak;

He looks like a Ghostbusters occultist baddie trying to contact Zuul, Gozer or Vigo.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
February 17, 2024 12:35 pm

The memorials in small country towns I find the most poignant.

The memorials in small, almost moribund, country towns….

Tom
Tom
February 17, 2024 12:35 pm

Fighting for England in WWI and WWII as an Australian was a natural extension of Australian nationalism. There never any doubt it was the right thing to do.

Now, some young Australians are barracking for the side that lost both world wars because they no longer understand the difference between right and wrong.

Rabz
February 17, 2024 12:35 pm

new “affirmative consent” laws, where not only is consent required throughout sexual activity, but women can pull the plug whenever they feel like it.

Ah, the blatant hypocrisy of collectivists in full view, again.

Remember when those ridiculous dickheads were endlessly bleating about keeping “the state” out of our bedrooms?

And here are – “Consentus interruptus”.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
February 17, 2024 12:37 pm

132andBush

Feb 17, 2024 11:06 AM

Well said, Gez.

A visit to the “school room” display at the Woods Farming and Heritage Museum (Rupanyup) will give you an idea what standards were like.
You can flick through an exercise book from Grade 8 in the early 1920’s and see what they were taught in all the major subjects.
To say we are now three years behind what they were back then is probably being kind.

In some ways it isn’t just lag. Some stuff has simply been ditched from the curriculum.
But lag and overlap is a thing.
I did a post-grad in the early 2000’s. Except it wasn’t strictly post-grad, because some participants didn’t have a first degree. This resulted in some content being at what I would say was early tertiary or secondary level by 1980’s standards.
That aside, the overlap factor is massive.
First year Uni is a re-run of what should be pre-requisite secondary subjects, and post-grad has a yuuuge under-grad catch-up element.

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