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Indolent
Indolent
September 27, 2024 8:00 am
Roger
Roger
September 27, 2024 8:03 am

Deeming tape exposes the Liberal divide, Pesutto should go west

Kevin Andrews, The Spectator (Oz ed), 28 September 2024

It is rare that ordinary Australians gain an insight into the inner workings of political parties. There is good reason for this: parties require a degree of confidentiality to have frank internal discussions free from media intrusion that would hinder rather than assist the resolution of many issues. Although there are leaks from party and caucus meetings, much of the discussion still remains confidential. Cabinet and shadow cabinet meetings and those of leadership groups generally remain confidential.

This past week, Australians have had a rare glimpse of an internal meeting between the leadership group of the Victorian parliamentary Liberal party and the novice MP, Moira Deeming. Ms Deeming had been summoned to meet opposition leader John Pesutto, deputy leader David Southwick and Upper House leaders Georgie Crozier and Matt Bach to discuss her participation in a pro-woman rally. Unknown – apparently to everyone else present – Mr Southwick surreptitiously recorded the conversation. Why he did this is not clear. It may become so when he is cross-examined by the formidable Sue Chrysanthou KC during the defamation proceedings Deeming has brought against Pesutto. The existence of the recording only became public in recent weeks, not having been disclosed earlier in the discovery process in the action. It is now available to all, having been released for publication by the court. Throughout, Mr Southwick sounds like the chief prosecutor.

Whatever his motives, Mr Southwick’s recording is an insight into how the current leadership of the Victorian parliamentary party operates. It is not pretty. My comments are not about the issues that the judge will determine in the defamation trial. Having studied defamation law and given advice about the subject when at the Bar, I am well aware of the intricacies of the subject, and the many twists and turns that are likely to come as various witnesses are cross-examined. Rather, it is the insights into the state of the party that are my focus.

Mr Pesutto’s opening comments are telling: ‘I’ve very much – and you would have heard this over interviews over recent weeks and the last few months – is to try to position the party so that whoever you are, whether you’re hetero, whether you’re same-sex attracted, whether you are trans, whoever you are the Liberal party can be a voice for you because the values of the party apply to anybody, no matter who you are because it’s about enterprise, it’s about the rule of law, strength of communities, personal effort, those sorts of things’.

Mr Pesutto is selective in his recitation of the values of the party. Compare his list with the values that are outlined in the model constitution recently released by the party. The first of these values is, ‘Freedom of conscience, freedom of religion, freedom of expression and freedom of association as the building blocks of a robust and fair society.’ These values are repeated in the objectives in the model constitution. The tenor of the 70-minute discussion is that Ms Deeming can hold her views about safe spaces for women, female-only facilities and female-only sporting competitions, but there is no place for her in the parliamentary Liberal party. It is suggested to her that she would be better being an independent. When she failed to embrace this proposal, she was informed that a motion to expel her will be moved unless she resigned in the meantime. The premise of the charge against her was that she associated with Nazis, despite her assertions that she did not know that a neo-Nazi group was planning to disrupt a rally supporting women, at which she spoke. It is understandable that Mr Southwick, who represents an electorate with a large Jewish population, is sensitive to any perceived or alleged connections to Nazism. But he seemed to entirely disregard the fact that the women’s rally itself was organised by, as it happens, a Jewish woman.

Towards the end of the discussion, one of the leadership group referred to the rally organisers as ‘your people’ implying that any association other speakers at the rally had with Nazis represented Deeming’s own position, despite her denials. It was unedifying.

My observation of Liberal party members is that their views about women’s issues are generally aligned to those of Ms Deeming. Indeed, they are the views of the majority of Australians.

If Mr Pesutto’s premise is accepted, the logical consequence is that Liberal MPs will not be able to speak about matters seen as unimportant or unacceptable to the leadership. That has never been the Liberal way.

The recording discloses a number of other worrying matters. The impression I gained was that the leading Liberals were totally cowered by then premier, Dan Andrews. The members of the leadership group repeatedly claimed that the premier would assert the Liberals were pro-Nazi. Instead of calling this the nonsense that it is, they were dancing to Mr Andrews’ claims. There was also undue deference to the left-wing Melbourne Age and to social media. Equally, there seemed to be a fear of the LGBTQIA+ community. While that community is entitled to put its views, it should not be dictating Liberal policy.

The claim that the opposition had the Labor government on the ropes at the time and that Ms Deeming’s participation in the rally was derailing their efforts, frankly seem delusional. There is an ongoing risk to members of parliament of becoming consumed by the media bubble in which they work. I recall phoning my wife from Canberra one afternoon, describing the great question time we (the opposition) had that day. ‘It must have been a different question time to what I was watching on TV,’ was her curt response!

The recording – and the case – reveal a clear division in priorities between the inner-suburban Liberals and the rest of the state. The leadership team represented inner and middle-suburban electorates.

Mr Pesutto is the member for the wealthy, leafy suburbs around Hawthorn. Mr Southwick holds the nearby electorate of Caulfield. Despite growing up at Traralgon in the Latrobe Valley – the son of hard-working Italian migrants – Mr Pesutto often appears to favour the Labor-lite concerns of the city elites.

In contrast, Ms Deeming is one of only two Liberal MPs from the western suburbs. The transport corridor stretching north of the Melbourne CBD along Royal Parade, Sydney Road and the Hume Highway is the dividing line between the east and west of the city.

The Liberal party holds none of the eleven suburban lower-house seats west of that line. For more than half a million electors, the Liberals have just two upper-house members. Despite being successful in a sea of red seats, it seems that it was anathema to the leadership group for Ms Deeming to present the views with which most Victorians associate.

With more members of the parliamentary Liberal party due to give evidence, these divisions are likely to be further exposed.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 27, 2024 10:57 am
Reply to  Roger

The Lieborals. Not what it says on the box.

mem
mem
September 27, 2024 11:42 am
Reply to  Roger

Equally, there seemed to be a fear of the LGBTQIA+ community. While that community is entitled to put its views, it should not be dictating Liberal policy.
Then again if your advisors and assistants are part of that community you are pretty well captured.

Roger
Roger
September 27, 2024 11:53 am
Reply to  mem

Good point.

However, we shouldn’t tar all members of that “community” (broadly speaking) with the same brush. Prof David Flint, for example, is a stalwart conservative on the political front.

Philby
Philby
September 28, 2024 8:21 am
Reply to  Roger

Just who was responsible for the well dressed Nazis appearing on the steps of parliament apparently supported by plod. It still smells of a setup by the Labor government to me
The Victorian liberals are dead a centre right party needs to gain traction in this communist state

AnotherRanga
AnotherRanga
September 27, 2024 8:08 am

Testing, testing, 123.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
September 27, 2024 8:09 am

How to get cover for some instant arbritary action against your enemies?
..get Their ABC to explode an explosive exposay.
New South Wales Premier Chris Minns has promised to “weed out” the “horrific behaviour” in the state’s police force following “harrowing” revelations from an ABC News investigation.
Note, they’re only “relevations”, not yet evidence or even testimony.
ABC News has spoken to more than a dozen current and former officers who have made allegations of bullying, nepotism, sexism and a dangerous lack of support for officers suffering from PTSD.
Nothing to do with three years of N*zi Camp Giard activities under the aegis of the planned pandemic?
They claim the toxic culture has led to a mass exodus from the police force, contributing to an almost 20 per cent shortfall in officers across the state.
Aha, a claim! Razors out, Minns, go git ’em!

Rosie
Rosie
September 27, 2024 8:12 am

1400 years since mo slaughtered the Jews at Medina and the muslims started their attempts at world conquest (estimated that over a billion people have been murdered in their endless wars for el sham) but it’s still, somehow, the fault of Jews when muslims try to slaughter them.
You have Shiite imans in Lebanon putting fatwas on Hezbollah for the deaths of civilians they put in harm’s way but the armchair experts somewhere else know more about what’s happening.
Of course.

Indolent
Indolent
September 27, 2024 8:27 am

I was listening to the Bret Weinstein chat when I posted it. His ability to explain complex things, which have a direct bearing on our lives, simply is quite extraordinary.

Last edited 3 months ago by Indolent
will
will
September 27, 2024 8:28 am

Still snivelling, after all these years.

Quite amazing that a bitter and twisted old socialist, who wants more government, gets more government in the form of conscription, doesn’t like it at all.

Noted that conscription is a form of slavery, and if you want an army you need to pay a market rate for people willing to risk their life.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 27, 2024 11:10 am
Reply to  will

Or have a significant cause, like national survival. See Curtin’s Labor government sending conscripts outside Australian territory.

Megan
Megan
September 27, 2024 2:59 pm
Reply to  will

If he didn’t snivel he’d have absolutely nothing to talk about.

Makka
Makka
September 27, 2024 8:30 am

You have Shiite imans in Lebanon putting fatwas on Hezbollah for the deaths of civilians they put in harm’s way

IMO it’s come to this. I don’t care how many Mohammedans Israel kills. The less there are, the better we are off. The time for sensitivity is passed, we in the west have to accept that moslems intend to put the west under their sword. Fk em, fk em all.

Muddy
Muddy
September 27, 2024 9:22 am
Reply to  Makka

It is the western ego that will be the death of us; the belief that we can influence the thoughts and actions of all others.

Makka
Makka
September 27, 2024 9:35 am
Reply to  Muddy

You can’t understand Islam using western Christian values and metrics. Once in a position of power and commanding influence, moslems are ruthless. That’s how we must be if we are to retain our western way of life.

Philby
Philby
September 28, 2024 8:32 am
Reply to  Makka

I support Israel and their quest for peace.
Pong is a traitor to Australia .

Pogria
Pogria
September 27, 2024 8:31 am

Harking back to a post I made on the previous page, China is so great at building and engineering, it is a total surprise that the Sub sank. Lol!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13895821/poo-cano-erupts-shooting-human-excrement-33ft-air-cars.html

caveman
caveman
September 27, 2024 8:40 am
Reply to  Pogria

Has it been said yet?
Shit happens.

Pogria
Pogria
September 27, 2024 11:02 am
Reply to  caveman

HAW! 😀

Beertruk
September 27, 2024 8:31 am

This link was sent to me by a mate who works at the War Memorial.

TheirTealsGreensALPBC linky:

Man arrested for allegedly spray-painting pro-Palestinian slogans on War Memorial and ABC buildings in Canberra
Magistrate Alexandra Burt warned Evans “If you wish to part take in civil conversation you should do that in a lawful manner”.

But she granted him bail saying she didn’t think he needed close supervision given he “seems motivated by a political conscience”.

Mr Evans will have to obey conditions to stay away from the War Memorial, the ABC and other landmarks, unless he is in transit.

Of course he got bail.
Retarded.

Zippster
Zippster
September 27, 2024 8:44 am
Pogria
Pogria
September 27, 2024 11:05 am
Reply to  Zippster

Oh Wow!, I feel so different.
Bazinga!!!

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
September 27, 2024 8:50 am

Makka, you’ve lowered yourself to the enemy’s level. Of Hell.
Get a grip.

Winston Smith
Winston Smith
September 27, 2024 4:51 pm
Reply to  Wally Dalí

Makka has it right.
Read some history and see him proven.

Indolent
Indolent
September 27, 2024 8:50 am

Patrick Byrne of the FBI.

@SpartaJustice

EVIDENCE OF CORRUPTION: Evidence of Obama, CIA Brennan, FBI Comey blackmailing Hillary Clinton with a bribe of $18 million dollars which she accepted. Garland and FBI Wray destroyed child porn evidence from Ukraine that was to be planted on Trump. Evidence Epstein was murdered.

alwaysright
alwaysright
September 27, 2024 8:50 am

Testing …

Vietnam Vietnam Vietnam Vietnam

End test

1735099
1735099
September 27, 2024 8:52 am
Reply to  alwaysright

Testing…

Gaza Gaza Gaza

End test

Beertruk
September 27, 2024 9:13 am
Reply to  1735099

Testing…

GazaBOOM!!! GazaBOOM!!! GazaBOOM!!!

End test

Crossie
Crossie
September 27, 2024 8:51 am

WONG SIGNS US UP TO CEASEFIRE PLEA 

CLARE ARMSTRONG – NATIONAL POLITICAL EDITOR 

Australia has land and air defence personnel ready to help evacuate its citizens from Lebanon if an operation is ordered, 

It would have been nice to have had this sort of dedication to bringing Australians home from overseas before the COVID lockdowns in 2020.

Muddy
Muddy
September 27, 2024 9:13 am
Reply to  Crossie

Absolutely. I cannot imagine the desperation of some who were merely visiting a country, without local contacts to rely on. Another of the decisions for which ‘extraordinary’ doesn’t quite cut it.

LB2
LB2
September 27, 2024 10:37 am
Reply to  Crossie

All passengers please sign pre-completed vote card before exiting the aircraft. Thank you for your assistance.

Eyrie
Eyrie
September 27, 2024 8:53 am

Noted that conscription is a form of slavery, and if you want an army you need to pay a market rate for people willing to risk their life.

Correct. Or at least have a cause/plan that convinces people to join. Those of us with more than half a brain figured out in 1964 that there wasn’t one as far as Vietnam was concerned and wanted no part of idiot plans to send Australian troops there. We were right.
Not also that 20 year olds were legally not adults at the time. Conscripting children. Charming.
Only one of my friends from school/university got conscripted and none joined the CMF or the military voluntarily. They either weren’t called up or got out on conscientious objection grounds. There was lawyer in Freo who specialised in this. Good for them.
The guy who did get conscripted failed several goes at electrical engineering (hint – don’t make your kid do something he doesn’t want to do. The guy was a keen chemist). He found computers and in some kind of military miracle the Army actually gave him computers to run.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 27, 2024 9:53 am
Reply to  Eyrie

Country Women’s Association of Western Australia are alleged to have had a list of doctors, who would fail any reluctant conscripts doing their initial medical.

Makka
Makka
September 27, 2024 8:56 am

Makka, you’ve lowered yourself to the enemy’s level. Of Hell.

Get a grip.

I’ve lived over a decade in Islamic countries. STFU until you understand what you are talking about.

flyingduk
flyingduk
September 27, 2024 12:36 pm
Reply to  Makka

aka ‘if you weren’t there, you don’t get an opinion 😉

Winston Smith
Winston Smith
September 27, 2024 4:54 pm
Reply to  flyingduk

people who haven’t experienced Islam and have an opinion are like virgins discussing sex, and demanding a say in the matter.

Roger
Roger
September 27, 2024 8:57 am

Australia has land and air defence personnel ready to help evacuate its citizens from Lebanon if an operation is ordered…

They were advised to leave in July.

Commercial flights were still operating this week.

Roger
Roger
September 27, 2024 9:27 am
Reply to  Roger

I just checked: Beirut international airport is still open and fully operational.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 27, 2024 8:57 am

I wonder how long it will last before someone pulls it down, chops it up and sells it to a scrap merchant?

Dan statue confirmed: Ex-premier to be immortalised in bronze (Tele, paywalled)

A new statue is in the works to honour former premier Daniel Andrews but the Allan government won’t say where it will be placed or how much it will cost taxpayers.

After all, those statues of Lenin all over eastern Europe went the same way.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
September 27, 2024 9:41 am

Cool, where’s the cordless angle grinder…

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 27, 2024 11:16 am

Inside a secure foyer in ALP HQs, like the statue of Flash Al Grassby in Canberra.

Can’t have it vandalised by disgruntled peasants, can they?

Kneel
Kneel
September 27, 2024 11:51 am

Hmmm…
Q: is this a 3m brass penis, or a 3m brass anus?
In either case, where to put it?

Perplexed of Brisbane
Perplexed of Brisbane
September 27, 2024 4:17 pm
Reply to  Kneel

Either way, it seems there will be plenty of Viccos who would like to kiss it.

flyingduk
flyingduk
September 27, 2024 12:38 pm

it’s Gunnar need a 24/7 guard

Perfidious Albino
Perfidious Albino
September 28, 2024 8:27 am

Would love to see an unmanipulated survey of support on this. Already some great memes in circulation.

johanna
johanna
September 27, 2024 9:06 am

But she granted him bail saying she didn’t think he needed close supervision given he “seems motivated by a political conscience”.
———————————————————-
This is regarding the guy who vandalised the War Memorial with pro Palestinian slogans.

WTF? Does this idiot magistrate understand anything at all about politics and history?

Her revered ‘political conscience’ has been the motivation for many of the worst atrocities in history.

What a dope.

Foxbody
Foxbody
September 27, 2024 10:13 am
Reply to  johanna

… but he has the correct flavour of political conscience.
Compare the pair with our intrepid correspondent who was arrested in Canberra on fictitious charges because the ACT Town Council did not agree with his political conscience.

Miltonf
Miltonf
September 27, 2024 11:57 am
Reply to  johanna

Born and bred in canbra with degrees from the ANU so of course.

Perfidious Albino
Perfidious Albino
September 28, 2024 8:29 am
Reply to  johanna

Feels like she forgot about the deterrence aspect…

Roger
Roger
September 27, 2024 9:09 am

A new statue is in the works to honour former premier Daniel Andrews…

Pigeons of Melbourne, you know what to do.

mem
mem
September 27, 2024 12:46 pm
Reply to  Roger

Place it in the middle of Werribee Sewerage Works. Others may have a better location?

Titus Groates
Titus Groates
September 27, 2024 1:02 pm
Reply to  Roger

Have him standing atop a Ford Territory with a head shaped dint in the windscreen. Rather like the statue of Peter Brock at Bathurst on a commodore.

1735099
1735099
September 27, 2024 9:18 am

Lizzie (Elizabeth) Beare @ 7:07pm

Why does he feel the need to come here?
Why not look for some of his old mates and help out any who are in trouble? A good listening ear might be welcome there, if he could learn to do that.

Two reasons – learning and teaching.

If you read every post on this site, you’ll (very occasionally) find something that is closer to analysis than opinion.

It is always possible to learn something from those rare gems.

And I’m a teacher; have been since 1968. There are teaching moments, even here. I don’t waste them.

As for Why not look for some of his old mates and help out any who are in trouble?

Been doing that for fifty-four years. Of ten in my rifle section, five are now beyond help – Multiple myeloma; two suicides; pancreatic cancer; and one shot by police.

Makka
Makka
September 27, 2024 9:28 am
Reply to  1735099

How fortunate we all are.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 27, 2024 11:20 am
Reply to  1735099

You are wasting your time.

If in 54 years you did not learn how to make your message interesting and attractive, you are not going to succeed now in any attempt to ram it down our throats.

Go away and tend your garden, it might be useful in teaching you some humility, you pompous prat.

Arky
September 27, 2024 11:31 am
Reply to  1735099

If you read every post on this site, you’ll (very occasionally) find something that is closer to analysis than opinion.

Could it also be that the left of centre sites are stiflingly conformist? While although you receive opprobrium here, you also are free to express yourself knowing that if you put a foot wrong, you won’t be cancelled?
No one here is going after you in real life, unlike the left.

Last edited 3 months ago by Arky
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 27, 2024 4:25 pm
Reply to  Arky

That last sentence is the real value of this place.

You can speak your mind and still live.

MatrixTransform
September 27, 2024 12:40 pm
Reply to  1735099

There are teaching moments, even here. I don’t waste them.

more wanking

and with extra sanctimony as well.

johanna
johanna
September 27, 2024 9:23 am

I can’t play the latest Pauline Hanson video.

It comes up ‘This video is unavailable.’

Censored by Youtube?

Tom
Tom
September 27, 2024 10:02 am
Reply to  johanna

Johanna, it’s fine in my browser, so it must be something unique to your computer setup.

local oaf
September 27, 2024 10:29 am
Reply to  johanna

OK for me – Windows 10, Firefox browser.

Pogria
Pogria
September 27, 2024 11:10 am
Reply to  johanna

I watched it on Chrome.
Another zinger.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 27, 2024 4:23 pm
Reply to  Pogria

Yep. Worked for me on Chrome. Albo’s whinge good as ever.

Roger
Roger
September 27, 2024 9:24 am

The Misinformation Bill’s Sly Tyranny

Ruben Kirkham, Quadrant Online, 27 September, 2024

The Misinformation Bill is upon us. This is about making the powerful the arbiter of truth: after all, misinformation is largely in the eye of the beholder. The Labor Government knows its bad. That’s why they are trying to sneak it through parliament at the last minute without anyone noticing — an effort which is so far failing. They hope no-one will understand its contents, or even how it works. They are attempting to deflect criticism by providing Potemkin safeguards, such as generalised references to freedom of speech.

The Bill creates a range of powers that are gifted to the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA). The first is to make ‘codes’ that regulate a range of online platforms, including social media platforms. At the same time, ACMA will also gain a suite of powers to obtain information from tech companies, as and when they see fit.

If online platforms don’t comply with ACMA’s diktats met, it has the power to issue enormous fines to the tech companies. Worse still, there is a power to fine individuals who advise others how to get around the codes. For example, if this bill passes, then individuals could be fined simply for suggesting the use of a Virtual Private Network (VPN) that makes the user appear to be accessing the internet from outside of Australia.

This Orwellian attack on companies and individuals come straight from the playbook of the Brazilian ‘jurist’ Alexandre de Moraes, who recently imposed fines on Elon Musk’s X Corp (aka Twitter). In response, Musk dubbed de Moraes the “the Darth Vader of Brazil”.

Much of the criticism of the legislation has focussed on its definition of misinformation but that’s a sideshow. The real threat comes because ACMA’s new powers work coercively, rather than directly. ACMA can design codes to favour providers that do its bidding. They can also selectively prosecute breaches of their codes, wherein their true power lies. For example, they can reward social media companies who censor more than is required in line with the dominant ideological emphasis, an issue that has already arisen with respect to the European Union. They can do what the eSafety Commissioner has already done and issue abusive requests for information, followed up with fines when the requests are rejected. The true model is one of collateral censorship, via a quid pro quo model, since any attempt to regulate ‘misinformation’, no matter how narrowly defined, will result in a wide form of censorship.

If you don’t believe this, look at how the eSafety Commissioner — Julie Inman Grant — already operates. Under Statute, the eSafety Commissioner actually has very limited formal powers to take down content. She is required to comply with the ‘implied freedom of political community’. Her powers are officially used rarely, maybe a few dozen each year, according to her own annual reports. Most of the time she instead issues ‘informal notices’ which, according to her, cannot be appealed, even if one is fortunate to find out about them. This approach subverts the rule of law, but also illustrates the risk of creating any body on this topic.

After all, why wouldn’t ACMA do what Ms Inman Grant already does.

As it happens, we have a test case about this in the Administrative Appeals Tribunal, namely that of Baumgarten v eSafety Commissioner, where this issue will be determined after a November hearing.

The reality is that companies (other than X), comply with her ‘informal’ requests all the time. This even includes GoDaddy, a web hosting platform that sells domains and takes down websites at her request. So the existing practice already circumvents all the extensive statutory safeguards. The Mis/Dis/Info Bill has the potential to make this even worse. Remember that the eSafety Commissioner is a part of ACMA and all her staff are on its payroll.

But wait, there are some other nasties.

Labor has also launched two other bills that have attracted less attention. The first concerns ‘Doxxing’, but goes well beyond this legitimate concern. If the Bill passes, saying that ‘Roxanne Tickle is a biological man who was originally called Jason’ could potentially land you in prison for up to seven years. The same would go for telling people where Dan Andrews plays golf. Such lengthy custodial sentences would be grossly disproportionate and the effect would be to bring any form of trans rights into disrepute, injuring those the legislation was apparently designed to protect. It is the opposite of progressive.

Then there is the Hate Speech Bill, which will make it even easier to imprison someone for incitement. This works by making modifications to existing offences, lowering the threshold for conviction, and expanding the coverage to a wider range of groups. This is another hidden nasty that it risks being used to imprison people for social media posts, in a similarly draconian manner to what is happening in the UK. Of course, these bills are given no prominence by the government because they don’t want you to know what they are up to.

We’ve got a fight on our hands! The Free Speech Union will be hard at work challenging these Bills. We’ve made a tool that helps you very quickly write a submission to the Senate in a matter of minutes. But please do hurry, you’ve only got until the September 30 to lodge a submission!

To make it easier, here’s the link:freespeechunion.au/misinfo

It is time to write! While we still can.

Dr Reuben Kirkham is a founder of the Free Speech Union of Australia.

Makka
Makka
September 27, 2024 9:28 am
Reply to  Roger

I may have missed it, but I don’t recall the SFL’s shouting out their criticism of this tyrannical proposal.

Roger
Roger
September 27, 2024 9:37 am
Reply to  Makka

Dutton’s been inconsistent.

His latest position is that the bill needs “the right balance” to gain Liberal support.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 27, 2024 11:03 am
Reply to  Roger

Spud doing a Voice.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 27, 2024 11:24 am
Reply to  Roger

If online platforms don’t comply with ACMA’s diktats met, it has the power to issue enormous fines to the tech companies.

Not unless ACMA is made a judicial body. The High Court decided (Brandy’s Case, IIRC) that only judicial bodies can lawfully issue fines.

This is why HREOC complaints must go to the Federal Court to issue fines.

Roger
Roger
September 27, 2024 11:37 am
Reply to  Boambee John

They’re trying to get around that.

If they can’t, the process will be the punishment.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 27, 2024 12:16 pm
Reply to  Roger

They can only get around it by either persuading the High Court to give up some power (LOL) or making ACMA a judicial body.

But, yes, the process is the punishment.

Kneel
Kneel
September 27, 2024 9:27 am
Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
September 27, 2024 9:29 am

Laura Jayes and Fluffy Annaliese almost choke at having to report about Melania having an interview with Fox News, and speaking at an event for Gay & Lesbian Republicans.

They manage to infer that Melania blaming the media and the democrats for the two (so far) attempted assassinations of her husband is a bit of a stretch!

What’s more, her being paid to do that public engagement is almost distasteful to the Daytime Sky crew, something never inferred if it’s Michelle or Hillary.

Last edited 3 months ago by Bungonia Bee
Pogria
Pogria
September 27, 2024 11:14 am
Reply to  Bungonia Bee

Jealousy writ large with those two twats.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 27, 2024 9:32 am
Dunny Brush
Dunny Brush
September 27, 2024 9:34 am

Just noticed the Burgatory in Surrey Hills has closed down. Good.

Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
September 27, 2024 9:39 am

Only four days to comment on Albo’s Ministry of Truth legislation.
More power to the UN? No thanks.
Global Government? The UN doing the Devil’s work.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
September 27, 2024 9:39 am

Roger

Wouldn’t surprise me in the least and been a bit of military traffic in and out of RAAF Garbutt lately and normally I’d think nothing other than a tad more than usual but for the escalation in southern Lebanon. Lets hope it doesn’t reach into the northern areas around Tripoli.

It would be a thankless task for our troops dealing with these low-lives and how many would be Hezbollah/terror organisation combatant fleeing back to the safety of Oz.

Cassie of Sydney
September 27, 2024 9:51 am

As you know, I come from a dog loving family. Any canine lucky enough to find a home in my family is one fortunate canine. They become part of the family. We adore them.

I wish dogs lived for ever, it’s unfair we outlive them. I believe dogs are angels sent by Hashem, to provide us humans with eternal comfort, loyalty and love. I know the more rational here might think I’m ‘barking’ mad (pardon the pun) but it’s something I believe.

The Hebrew word for dog is ‘Caleb’ or ‘Calev’. Caleb means ‘wholehearted and dog-like’. The boy’s name, Caleb’, means ‘loyalty and devotion’, traits which our canine friends possess in abundance. The word and the name ‘celebrates the faithful human companion’s most beloved qualities‘.

The Midrash tells us that when we left Egypt, whilst we packed and prepared to flee, the dogs of Egypt didn’t bark so as to protect the Hebrews fleeing. And last year, the dogs across the kibbutzim, moshavs and towns of Southern Israel alerted Jews by barking ferociously. Many lives were saved because of our canine friends. Many dogs paid a heavy price for their loyalty and love, many were slaughtered by Hamas Nazi scum.

It’s no accident that Jews love dogs whilst Muslims don’t.

I write this because yesterday my sister had to put down her Australian terrier. It was not an easy decision for her, over the last two years this little canine treasure had succumbed to diabetes (some breeds are more prone to this than others). Despite morning and evening insulin injections, she went blind, and over the last few weeks she was knocking into walls and weeing everywhere. She had become reed thin, what kept her alive was love.

I cried last night when I heard the news.

I know her soul has returned to Hashem. There is no dog heaven, there’s just one heaven, a place called ‘Shamayim’ where our souls return to Hashem. I can think of no greater privilege than sharing Shamayim with our canine friends.

Aaron
Aaron
September 27, 2024 10:08 am

I’ve had three great dogs in my life.

How the hell do men who have had three wives cope with ranking them.

Sharing Shamayim with them will do me.

Dogs that is. Not wives.

Pogria
Pogria
September 27, 2024 11:19 am

I’ve waved good bye to several four-legged mates as they crossed the Rainbow Bridge.
Sob.

Perplexed of Brisbane
Perplexed of Brisbane
September 27, 2024 4:24 pm

But because my servant Caleb is led by a different spirit and follows me wholeheartedly, he will enter into the land he went to and his descendants will inherit it.

Numbers 14:24

Rosie
Rosie
September 27, 2024 9:51 am

Only censored for you Jo

Beertruk
September 27, 2024 9:56 am

Cassie of Sydney
 September 27, 2024 9:51 am

I wish dogs lived for ever, it’s unfair we outlive them. I believe dogs are angels sent by Hashem, to provide us humans with eternal comfort, loyalty and love. I know the more rational here might think I’m ‘barking’ mad (pardon the pun) but it’s something I believe.

“If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went.”- Will Rogers

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Aaron
Aaron
September 27, 2024 10:11 am
Reply to  Beertruk

Me too.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 27, 2024 10:29 am
Reply to  Beertruk

Some nice doggie vids at Ace just now.

Thank God It’s Friday Eve Cafe (27 Sep)

Delta A
Delta A
September 27, 2024 10:13 am

Wordle in two again!

How do ya like them Sapote, Panzer?

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 27, 2024 10:41 am
Reply to  Delta A

Pure luck Delta. You could have chosen different letters or there could have been no other choice. I gave up on wordle ages ago as it wasn’t hard enough. I like the 9 letter word using the centre letter as the start of the 9 letter word. I’ve got the 9 letter word more times than the high number to be excellent.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 27, 2024 10:15 am

Having trouble posting overnight.
Am I in some sort of moderation?

Where in this society am I as a human being?

My mouth is gagged.

Who made me that way? The Government!

I have nothing to lose.

Why are you doing this to me Dover?

Why?
I’m the victim here!

Cassie of Sydney
September 27, 2024 10:16 am

I do Wordle every day, along with my sister and two nephews. We have a competition and we text each other our scores.

Today I was 3/6.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 27, 2024 10:17 am

Oh.
Looks like I am not banned or in moderation.
As you were.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 27, 2024 10:20 am

Cassie of Sydney
 September 27, 2024 10:16 am

I do Wordle every day, along with my sister and two nephews. We have a competition and we text each other our scores.

Today I was 3/6.

Lucky.
Mrs P and I do it over coffee every day.
It oscillates between a game of skill and a game of chance, depending on who wins.
Kids now play it in Primary School which I think is a fun way to build literacy skills.
I also do Quordle, Octordle and Strands.

Jock
Jock
September 27, 2024 10:25 am

Roger. I have asked this question in comments in the Oz but never a response. Who were the “nazis” who turned up at the deeming rally? The msm have been unusually uninterested in who they were. It’s almost like they know but don’t want to say. Normally they try to dox such people. But in this circumstance we get crickets.
Who was their leader? What parts of fascist ideology attracts them? Do they belief in the final solution? You know stuff like that. But the press were uninterested.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 27, 2024 10:44 am
Reply to  Jock

Zachary

Roger
Roger
September 27, 2024 10:46 am
Reply to  Jock

It’s a mystery, Jock.

And the powers that be would like it to remain that way.

The press complies.

Pogria
Pogria
September 27, 2024 11:24 am
Reply to  Jock

Jock, they were out of work actors. Also, one of them was the son of a high ranking Vic Copper. It was a definite set up planned in advance.
Vicpol walked the group over to where the Ladies were having their meet, then when all the media had done there job, the same coppers walked them to their bus.

A lot of this came out immediately after, but was quickly scrubbed from the airwaves.

Jock
Jock
September 27, 2024 1:34 pm
Reply to  Pogria

ta. So pessutto was set up by Vicpol. Those who send 4 police to arrest a pregnant woman over a facebook like. Heroes all.

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
September 27, 2024 6:41 pm
Reply to  Jock

False-flag operation by the left facilitated and chaperoned by VicPlod?

cohenite
September 27, 2024 10:31 am

And I’m a teacher; have been since 1968.

“Those who can, do; those who can’t, teach,”

GBS, Man and Superman.

Pogria
Pogria
September 27, 2024 11:26 am
Reply to  cohenite

And those who can’t teach, teach sport!
That’s been around forever.
I have a friend who is a sports teacher and I tease him with that every now and then.

Megan
Megan
September 27, 2024 3:14 pm
Reply to  cohenite

The particularly boring as batshit teacher in question couldn’t teach his way out of a paper bag. A lifetime, pathetic loser.

Last edited 3 months ago by Megan
Tom
Tom
September 27, 2024 10:34 am

In the words of John “Sammy” Newman, I couldn’t be less interested in tomorrow’s AFL grand final.

Peter Broelman perfectly captured the mood in Melbourne this week. (Both teams are transplanted Melbourne teams).

PS: I’m tipping South Melbourne — now a.k.a. the Bondi Millionaires.

Perplexed of Brisbane
Perplexed of Brisbane
September 27, 2024 4:26 pm
Reply to  Tom

Not that it matters but it looks like the Melbourne teams weren’t interested in the GF either.

JC
JC
September 27, 2024 10:37 am

Yep

I’m calling it. 

Game over in terms of who wins the vote.

Democrats are only left with illegal paths to success.

So the outcome is unpredictable.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 27, 2024 10:42 am

Wordle 4/6.
Totally a game of chance.
Although I did a stupid thing.
Had a letter in the right spot but then chose a word with it in another spot.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 27, 2024 10:46 am
Reply to  Sancho Panzer

Buy yourself a miata then bitch about how you were done over forever.

Rosie
Rosie
September 27, 2024 10:46 am

I like NYT spelling bee.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 27, 2024 10:54 am

She obviously really liked cheese.

Scientists discover world’s oldest cheese buried with ancient Chinese mummy (26 Sep)

When the 3,600-year-old coffin of a young woman was excavated in northwestern China two decades ago, archeologists discovered a mysterious substance laid out along her neck like a piece of jewelry.

It was made of cheese, and scientists now say it’s the oldest cheese ever found. … This mummy was excavated in 2003 and the researchers always thought this was a bit of jewelry. Only recently did they discover it was cheese.

When forgotten in the fridge I know that cheese can turn into an indefatigable rock-hard substance. But surviving intact for 3,600 years is something else.

Roger
Roger
September 27, 2024 10:54 am

In the words of John “Sammy” Newman, I couldn’t be less interested in tomorrow’s AFL grand final.

Who’s playing?

Arky
September 27, 2024 11:06 am
Reply to  Roger

Who’s playing?

Overpaid, fit young men who are good at ball sports and willing mouth post match platitudes and cliches; and produce enough safe, soap opera drama to feed the media machine.

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Roger
Roger
September 27, 2024 11:10 am
Reply to  Arky

Yeah…nah.

Think I’ll give it a miss.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
September 27, 2024 11:12 am
Reply to  Roger

SYD v BNE.

Or on old terms Sth Melbourne v Fitzroy

bons
bons
September 27, 2024 10:55 am

I see that Fonda is a jew hater now.

She should be grateful to the Jews. She had run out of causes to misrepresent and bestow her hypocrisy upon. Israel popped up just in time.

Why iis it that r’soles live so long?

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 27, 2024 11:07 am
Reply to  bons

Billy Joel said it best.

Tom
Tom
September 27, 2024 11:01 am

Game over in terms of who wins the vote.

Democrats are only left with illegal paths to success.

So the outcome is unpredictable.

The Harris candidacy – a panicked last-minute reaction by the DNC to the American public finding out in the presidential debate that Biden is in fact senile and no longer fit for purpose – is now entirely a creation of the American news media, who protected Biden for four years when they knew he wasn’t up to it.

The only way Trump can win is in a landslide which makes it impossible to hide Harris’s unpopularity.

But the Dems are addicted to power and they’ll do anything to hold onto it so the outcome is indeed unpredictable.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 27, 2024 11:02 am

Re the bleat by Numbers about the DVA research ethics committee, I’ve had direct experience with that committee. They are reasonable if you are.

They are very firm on preventing any disruption to the lives of veterans. That is why they wanted to hear what Numbers was up to. He had better hope that there are no complaints after he told them to “go to buggery”. He could have a rude awakening.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 27, 2024 11:03 am

I see that Fonda is a jew hater now.

She has all of the most fashionable beliefs.

Jane Fonda: Trump Will ‘Burn Up Planet’ (27 Sep)

cohenite
September 27, 2024 11:08 am

Leftoids never give up:

If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again. 

That’s what Attorney General Merrick Garland’s Department of Justice (DOJ) is doing in their over-zealous prosecution of January 6 defendants. In June, the Supreme Court in United States v. Fischer effectively nuked hundreds of “obstruction” of Congress charges against January 6 defendants, ruling that a post-Enron statute, 18 U.S.C. §1512, designed to punish document destruction, did not apply to a Capitol Hill protest “gone wild.” 

Nonetheless, obsessed with targeting Trump supporters, the DOJ is now charging multiple defendants with a Civil War-era statute—18 U.S.C. § 372—which punishes (up to 6 years in prison) those who intimidate “officers of the United States” from their posts. The DOJ charges that J6ers conspired to chase Members of Congress from Capitol Hill in violation of Section 372. Once again, the DOJ is unfairly prosecuting J6ers under a statute that does not apply to their conduct.

Title 18 U.S.C. § 372 punishes conspiracies “to prevent, by force, intimidation, or threat, any person from accepting or holding any office, trust, or place of confidence under the United States, or from discharging any duties thereof, or to induce by like means any officer of the United States to leave the place, where his duties as an officer are required to be performed[.]” 

The DOJ’s position is that Members of Congress hold the “offices” and are the “officers of the United States” that are covered by Section 372 and, accordingly, that J6ers can be prosecuted for allegedly causing their evacuation from Capitol Hill. The DOJ is obviously wrong from both a historical and statutory construction standpoint. 

Guest Column: DOJ Dusts Off Civil War-Era Statute to Replace 1512(c)(2) (declassified.live)

All this is happening while the DOJ refuses to release the IG’s report on Jan 6 which supposedly has miles of exculpatory video of the nanas and pops strolling around the Capital at the invitation of the cops.

Wally Dali
Wally Dali
September 27, 2024 11:17 am

Makka, you stated that you don’t care how many innocents have to die in exterminating Islamists. “F*ck em. F*uck em all.”
“Get a grip” might have been provocative, but you’ve gone too far. That’s the sentiment of inhumanity, and you’re feeding the beast.

Winston Smith
Winston Smith
September 27, 2024 5:07 pm
Reply to  Wally Dali

Far too many of you are literally whistling past the graveyard.
Islam has shown – repeatedly and bloodily – what it does to people who refuse to bend the knee.
I’m sure there’s a nice comfy spot for you all in the next mass grave Islam makes.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 27, 2024 11:20 am

Rosie
 September 27, 2024 10:46 am

I like NYT spelling bee.

Eye dont lyke noo yawk thymes speling be at awl.

Arky
September 27, 2024 11:21 am

Aaron

 September 27, 2024 10:08 am

 Reply to  Cassie of Sydney

I’ve had three great dogs in my life.

How the hell do men… cope with ranking them

That’s easy:

  • The kelpie. He was just a beautiful, wonderful bloke. Lived to 18. Not a mean bone in his body. Unbelievable intelligence.
  • The border collie/ kelpie cross. Another intelligent, beautiful boy. Only ranks below the kelpie because he did have a bit of mean in him early on, but as an older gentlemen just as gentle and wonderful as the kelp. Gone too soon.
  • The Boxer cross. Dumb as a box of rocks. I mean, really stupid. So she can’t rank with the other two. But what a brave girl she was. Brave and tough and willing. Another wonderful dog who I was lucky to have in my life for 16 years.
Vicki
Vicki
September 27, 2024 11:55 am
Reply to  Arky

I am such a sook Arky – your descriptions of your pals made me teary.

My standout dog was a cross Foxhound who adopted me and my horse when I was a teenager. He just had to be around horses & changed owners when the girl who owned him sold hers. He got old & stayed with my folks when I retired my horse and went to university. Years later he somehow knew when my husband came to take him to the vet for the last time – & hid somewhere in mum’s garden. When husband left he came to the back door to come in, despite being an outside dog. She let him in and he lay down and died by dad’s chair.

Arky
September 27, 2024 12:22 pm
Reply to  Vicki

Think I have something in my eye.
They get to you alright.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 27, 2024 4:04 pm
Reply to  Arky

Me too. Just like I still often have when we draw up outside our front gate in our street and I always recall Attapuss’ little face, home in a bed on my knee in the car after days in a vet emergency hospital while we returned from overseas to pick him up, for a last visit home before doom had to be delivered, for his stroke meant he had no working back legs.

His little eyes widened and his sad ears pricked up immediately as he recognised the gate. He was going home!! Home where we would fix him up, get his back legs working, for he trusted us to work miracles in all things; where he could pounce around the corners and bother the birdies, home where he could rest on my chest purring, which he did, while the three of us, me, Hairy and him, all watched TV together that last night as usual. He started to eat again from my hand and was glad to lick water from a pipette. We had a special time with him being normal, giving him hope while we had none. We went back to the hospital with him the next morning and he was calm, because as we waited once the death line was in place I told him close to his face that he was all finished here and he was now going ‘home’, and he trusted me in that while he instantly died.

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
September 27, 2024 11:21 am

1400 years since mo slaughtered the Jews at Medina and the muslims started their attempts at world conquest (estimated that over a billion people have been murdered in their endless wars for el sham) but it’s still, somehow, the fault of Jews when muslims try to slaughter them.

I mean, it’s quite simple, really. If you want war, you’re in no position to complain about losing loved ones.

If you want your family to live, you don’t want war. No sooky sooky when you lose when you wanted the risk in the first place.

cohenite
September 27, 2024 11:27 am

Makka, you stated that you don’t care how many innocents have to die in exterminating Islamists. “F*ck em. F*uck em all.”

That begs the questions: are there any innocents in islam. Can you be an muzzie and not support the spread of sharia to replace Western democracy. You may nominally disagree with some of the methods used by the active muzzie terrorist scum but not their goals. That would make you just as guilty as the terrorists.

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
September 27, 2024 11:30 am
Reply to  cohenite

The problem is, if all Muslims are the same, then all Christians are the same, all whites are the same, all women are the same, etc.

It’s collectivist nonsense and we shouldn’t play the socialists’ game.

Roger
Roger
September 27, 2024 12:04 pm

Broadly in agreement, BW. I take people as I find them.
Muslims as individuals can be quite reasonable.
[Caveat: mass immigration of Muslims to the West was a grave mistake.]

It’s the group dynamic that concerns me. They don’t think as individuals when their fervour is aroused but an ethno-religious tribalism takes hold.

And, as Brigitte Gabriel warned, the moderate majority are not the problem.

cohenite
September 27, 2024 12:15 pm
Reply to  Roger

There is no moderate majority. Read my link to professor Clive Kessler’s analysis above.

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 27, 2024 1:27 pm
Reply to  cohenite

The problem with muzzies is fundamentally scalability. Individually they can be fine but at some point collectively they are ALWAYS a problem. This is true throughout history. The Spanish solution seems to be the only one that works.

Arky
September 27, 2024 11:40 am
Reply to  cohenite

Can you be an muzzie and not support the spread of sharia to replace Western democracy. 

They are indoctrinated.
The problem isn’t the person, it’s the indoctrination.
Same with the loopy lefties.
Until the West gets to grip with that and deals with the root cause, then we will sadly continue to have the killing and dying.

Makka
Makka
September 27, 2024 11:28 am

Wally,
Don’t lecture me on inhumanity. You’re deluded and also clueless about what Islam is perpetrating in and and on the west. I want the beast dead and gone or at a minimum securely it a cage.Because that is the only real protection that works for us. Israel is doing God’s work as far as I’m concerned. And more power to their arm.

Winston Smith
Winston Smith
September 27, 2024 5:12 pm
Reply to  Makka

Wot Makka said.
You put a mad dog down, you don’t let it play with the kids.
Islam is a collective of mad dogs. Get enough of them together, and they kill. You can learn from history, or you can pay the price of stupidity and wishful thinking.

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Vicki
Vicki
September 27, 2024 11:44 am
Reply to  dover0beach

Good grief Dover! Don’t jinx our luck so far!

cohenite
September 27, 2024 11:50 am
Reply to  dover0beach

He left out one crucial factor: iran getting the bomb.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 27, 2024 11:59 am
Reply to  dover0beach

Depends on whether they want the 12th Imam to manifest himself, or whether they want to feather their own nests. It’s an interesting equation of personal priorities.

Makka
Makka
September 27, 2024 12:07 pm
Reply to  dover0beach

Israel has no choice but to demonstrate resolve and a will to confront. To not do so is the path to their ruin and demise. No matter who is in charge in Tehran, Israel has to make the costs a deterrent. That alone should garner support from the west.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
September 27, 2024 12:26 pm
Reply to  dover0beach

Interesting analysis. Adds more questions in my mind though.

How do you think the US would get involved? I can’t see them having too many boots if any on the ground, especially Iranian territory or even Lebanon. Like stirring up an Asian Hornets nest.

Staging areas? Apart from the present Emirates bases which would be useless when the straights of Hormuz close and would be in missile range of the Houthi’s. Israel or the Med is too far. Supply would be perilous also.

Given the diminished state of the US Armed Forces, the worry that China would use the distraction in the Mediterranean to settle the Taiwan score and would Turkey make moves in Syria? The perilous state of European forces as well, would we see an air superiority campaign and the Arabs doing the heavy lifting?

Lastly what about the rats in our own ranks from the unfetted immigration program over decades, all western countries are susceptible to sleeper cells or even garden variety civil disobedience agitated from the Mosques.

All I have to say if it goes off it is going to be an absolute mess let alone the deluge of foreign fighters it would attract from East Asia, subcontinent and Africa on a jihad to protect the Holy Land.

Perfidious Albino
Perfidious Albino
September 28, 2024 8:47 am
Reply to  dover0beach

This piece seeks to provide cover for Iran’s failure to respond following its initial bluster.

The scenario not entertained is that Iran’s leaders recognise that they would lose a direct confrontation with Israel, risk being overthrown by a domestic uprising and have come to realise how vulnerable they are personally.

Salvatore - Iron Publican
September 27, 2024 12:14 pm

Dogs. Of the between 100 – 200 dogs I’ve had in my life, Four have lived long enough to die of old age.
Dogs can be great, trouble with ’em is; They don’t live long enough.

Aaron
Aaron
September 27, 2024 1:29 pm

Why so many?

Are you an breeder or maybe a Greyhound racer?

Salvatore - Iron Publican
September 27, 2024 2:40 pm
Reply to  Aaron

Working dogs.
Breeder in as much as occasionally coordinating with someone in the district to share a batch of pups from joining one of theirs with one of mine.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 27, 2024 12:15 pm

Makka is correct. Anyone that thinks different needs to explain face to face with muzzies where they are wrong. You may be right but you’ll be dead. The Christian belief in turning the other cheek doesn’t work, neither does believing anything muzzies say except they are going to kill you as soon as they can. You are part of the problem.

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Bill From the Bush
Bill From the Bush
September 27, 2024 12:20 pm

Jacinta Price visited our little town in the Northern Goldfields a couple of days ago.
The worst Australian article is below. Also attached is a pic of some of the people she spoke with. All of these people are local and are feeling the effects of Elbow’s insanity as well as the Native title rorts that are enriching lawyers (spit) and out of town activists who make up the boards of most Aboriginal corporations. L to R Publican,senior elder, JP, another elder, Community health boss.
We haven’t seen any of Elbow’s mob out here as they probably would get laughed, or perhaps run, out of town.

 Northern Goldfields community leaders and members have told Liberal Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price about their challenges since the cashless debit card was abolished, as well as problems with native title.

Speaking to media on Wednesday after trips to Leonora and Laverton, Senator Price said she would be back to the region again soon after a “raft” of issues were raised with her from locals.

“The leaders from the communities that we visited today said there was absolute destruction when the cashless debit card was removed,” she said.
“They saw the trail of evidence of access to alcohol in that there were empty bottles of rum littering their communities, literally the day that people were able to come off the cashless debit card.
“We know that when the cashless debit card was introduced, those that were being incarcerated, the rates of domestic and family violence appeared to be halved.
“They could see the difference on the ground as to how positive the cashless debit card was, and why (the Albanese) Government has decided to remove that from our most vulnerable community members is beyond me.”

Senator Price was joined on her trip by senator Matt O’Sullivan, member for O’Connor Rick Wilson. member for Mining and Pastoral Region Neil Thomson and Liberal candidate for the seat of Kalgoorlie Rowena Olsen.
Senator Price said the concerns raised with her further supported her calls for an inquiry into land councils, statutory authorities and Aboriginal organisations funded to close the gap in areas such as the Goldfields, as well as an inquiry into native title legislation.
“(The inquiry is to) help us understand where the billions of dollars have been spent and why they have been failing locals here,” she said.
“There are so many issues with native title where there are traditional owners who are being completely overlooked, shut out, from the opportunity of negotiations, from the opportunity to be able to better their communities, whether it’s through royalties, whether it’s through employment opportunities . . . and something desperately needs to be done to look into how native title can better the lives of our most marginalised.

“The cost of living is a huge issue for people throughout the Goldfields, whether it is the Indigenous community or the non-Indigenous community . . . there’s a raft of issues, and quite frankly, it’s appalling that Anthony Albanese and his Government continue to ignore what the needs are on the ground here.
“But I’m very glad to have had the opportunity to get around to these communities and I will absolutely be back again . . . because there’s a lot more conversations to be had.”

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Miltonf
Miltonf
September 27, 2024 12:37 pm

Thanks. Interesting article.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 27, 2024 12:31 pm

I must read this book.

This week on The Dr. Ardis Show, Dr. Bryan Ardis is joined by a very special guest—his daughter, Sierra. Together, they explore the powerful themes from the book Outwitting the Devil by Napoleon Hill. This book, written in the early 1900s, takes the form of an interview between Napoleon Hill and Satan, revealing the ways in which the devil influences our lives, minds, and even our health.
In this episode, Dr. Ardis and Sierra dive deep into how the devil uses food to control our health, decisions, and overall well-being. Sierra, having recently read the book, shares her insights on how its themes are eerily relevant today, particularly in how the devil manipulates our beliefs about food and nutrition to gain control over us. Dr. Ardis highlights how food plays a critical role in our physical, mental, and spiritual health, and how Satan’s tactics to exploit this can affect every aspect of our lives.
As Sierra and Dr. Ardis discuss, Outwitting the Devil touches on broader issues like identity, self-control, and personal health, all of which are being challenged in modern society. Through this candid father-daughter conversation, you’ll gain fresh insights into how food, and the beliefs we hold about it, are used as tools of manipulation and control—and how we can break free from these destructive patterns.

The Dr. Ardis Show | How the Devil Uses Food to Control Us | Episode 09.25.2024

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 27, 2024 12:38 pm

About to consume two Avocados. After that it will be ham on toast.

Barry
Barry
September 27, 2024 12:44 pm

If you plan on battle you have to be prepared to destroy your adversary completely. Kill them all, destroy their line and salt the earth. Anything less and you end up fighting the same battle in a generations time. We’re still fighting the Crusades for this very reason.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 27, 2024 12:48 pm

Laughing my box off.

His acting saved his life

calli
calli
September 27, 2024 1:05 pm

On saying goodbye to dergs, here’s some wisdom. Hopefully the link works.

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Pogria
Pogria
September 27, 2024 1:11 pm
Reply to  calli

sob…

Vicki
Vicki
September 27, 2024 1:31 pm
Reply to  calli

My heaven, that is LOVELY, Calli! What a sweetheart she is!

AnotherRanga
AnotherRanga
September 27, 2024 1:07 pm

Hello everyone.

Please allow myself to introduce…..myself ?

Long time lurker, former occasional poster on Sinc’s under a different nom de plume, I have finally figured out the new and improved blog.

Full disclosure, I once up ticked JC and took Cassie of Sydney’s advice and became a subscriber to The Australian.

I spent 19 years living in England and have also spent time in Hong Kong, USA, New Zealand. I don’t follow a particular political philosophy, but would be branded far right or a red neck by the msn.

Military service wise I am a former Royal Marine (PO41973D) and also spent time in the Australian Army (329979). These experiences colour my opinions somewhat but I definitely do not live in the past.

My position on Gaza/Lebanon is quite simple. Follow the Sidious doctrine. Wipe them out, all of them. (Hopefully I don’t have to clarify which side on that.)

Russia/Ukraine? Stop the killing. I don’t much care who is right or wrong, but the families on both sides are losing loved ones every day. Let Putin and The Comedian fight it out in a ring.

Dogs? Love em.

Pineapple on Pizza? JUST DON’T!

Thanks for reading.

calli
calli
September 27, 2024 1:07 pm

I still snarl at people and want to bite them, so I’ll probably live to be 100.

Salvatore - Iron Publican
September 27, 2024 1:33 pm
Reply to  calli

Relatable, boy oh boy, can I relate.

Pogria
Pogria
September 27, 2024 1:22 pm

Michael Smith is sharing the Joy.
Out-bloody-standing!!!

https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2024/09/cheerio.html#comments

Rococo Liberal
Rococo Liberal
September 27, 2024 1:54 pm
Reply to  Pogria

Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind

calli
calli
September 27, 2024 3:16 pm
Reply to  Pogria

The box contained ACME products, for sure.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 27, 2024 1:27 pm

‘War has rules. Even when confronting terrorists’, Wong tells U.N

theaustralian.com.au09:28

Foreign Affairs Minister Penny Wong has continued to sharpen her language on Israel, saying “war has rules … even when confronting terrorists”.
In an address to the UN Security Council, Senator Wong also called for “greater permanent and non-permanent representation for Africa, Latin America, the Caribbean, and the Asia-Pacific” and spruiked Australia’s bid for a non-permanent seat in 2029-30.
“The world agreed to international humanitarian law to limit suffering in conflict,” she said.
“War has rules. Even when confronting terrorists. Even when defending borders.
“Civilians need to be protected. But in conflicts around the world, this is not happening.
“Nearly a year ago, Hamas killed 1,200 Israelis – the worst loss of Jewish life in a single day since the Holocaust – and Hamas terrorists continue to hold hostages.
“In Israel’s response, over 40,000 Palestinians have been killed.
“More than 11,000 children.
“And more than 300 aid workers since this war began. Gaza is the deadliest place on earth to be an aid worker.”

I’m sure the Israeli Defence Force will be so grateful for the words of wisdom.

Winston Smith
Winston Smith
September 27, 2024 5:38 pm

Foreign Affairs Minister Penny Wong has continued to sharpen her language on Israel, saying “war has rules … even when confronting terrorists”.

That sounds horribly like the advice given by the boss in the Man Monis Seige – and just as deadly to the innocent.

Vicki
Vicki
September 27, 2024 1:28 pm

Through this candid father-daughter conversation, you’ll gain fresh insights into how food, and the beliefs we hold about it, are used as tools of manipulation and control—and how we can break free from these destructive pattern

I am still out to lunch (pardon the pun!) on the implication of government and other sinister forces (aka Big Pharma) on the planning of our actual destruction.

BUT – and it is a big “but” – the Covid years convinced us to completely change our diet. Unvaccinated or not, it seemed like a good opportunity to “get healthy”. So – I revamped our diet – cut out biscuits and the folksy (but unwise) farm cakes, restricted the carbs, and ensured we had fish (kept in freezer) at least twice a week. Every morning we have a blender concoction of water/blueberries/green apples/carrots & celery. Then out come the vitamens so derided by the medical profession – VitC, VitD3, Magnesium, Coq10, Zinc, and a bifidobacterium longus probiotic (Meta Align). And for good measure, we add a low dose aspirin (Cartia).

Our cholesterol has dropped dramatically – not that I take the cholesterol stuff that seriously – but it is instructive to note the influence of diet.

As for the other half of the equation – exercise – well folks, husband and I get PLENTY of that on the farm. Even so, I have persuaded a reluctant husband to accompany me on at least half of my roughly 3km walk around the farm on most mornings. I still believe that the humble rambling walk is one of the best cardio assistance measures you can adopt.

I don’t reject all that the medical brotherhood propagate. Indeed, I regularly scan the latest research on topics of interest – with the full knowledge that much is funded by Big Pharma and some of it is manufactured.Nonetheless, I am impressed with the latest belief in the interaction of the gut/brain/nervous system axis, for example, particularly for post viral symptoms. Hence the probiotic. And the one I use is specifically chosen.

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H B Bear
H B Bear
September 27, 2024 1:39 pm
Reply to  Vicki

I am reading “Outlive” by Dr Peter Attia. Recommended. Metabolism and the endocrine system seem to be a huge part of understanding human health. Wish I had read it 20 or 30 years ago. Nevermind.

Vicki
Vicki
September 27, 2024 3:23 pm
Reply to  H B Bear

His book is excellent, Bear. His emphasis on the critical nature of exercise to longevity is very instructive. Also like his respect for the Mediterranean diet.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 27, 2024 1:39 pm

Vicki
September 27, 2024 1:28 pm

I walk 5 km a day and pig out on veggies and fruit. I’ve cut back on meat consumption … with that said, I’ve got a giant T-bone for tonight. It’s currently being infused with 6 garlic cloves.

True story.

Last edited 3 months ago by Steve Trickler
Vicki
Vicki
September 27, 2024 3:07 pm
Reply to  Steve trickler

Good for you, Steve. I think the veto mob have a point – but I still like my veggies and fruit.

Winston Smith
Winston Smith
September 27, 2024 5:39 pm
Reply to  Steve trickler

I’m having beer.
XXXX Bitter to be precise.
…because I can.
I may just add some corn chips if I get the munchies…

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 27, 2024 1:39 pm

calli
 September 27, 2024 1:05 pm

On saying goodbye to dergs, here’s some wisdom. 

We just gave one of ours the big blue a couple of weeks ago.
Poor little bugger had a seizure and the vets said he wasn’t going to last long, so make it quick please.
He was nearly 16 and we got him as a rescue aged 5.
And he knew he had hit the jackpot.
As did we.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 27, 2024 1:44 pm
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 27, 2024 3:34 pm

How is this legal?

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 27, 2024 4:26 pm

Has anyone got a few spare handgrenades? I think I might need some.

Winston Smith
Winston Smith
September 27, 2024 5:41 pm
Reply to  GreyRanga

GR – remember that our two snitches are watching and saving the comments.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
September 27, 2024 7:33 pm

I’m sending the link to my local MP, who will be oblivious, but he represents me in NSW so should be informed.

shatterzzz
September 27, 2024 1:48 pm

“War has rules. Even when confronting terrorists. 

Who, except plenty wrong, knew that? .. The only “rule” involving terrorists is kill ’em, kill ’em all ……….!

Last edited 3 months ago by shatterzzz
Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 27, 2024 1:53 pm
JC
JC
September 27, 2024 2:04 pm

Who armed and funded jihadis in Afghanistan, Bosnia, the Caucasus, Syria, Libya, etc.? Their postal address is Langely, Virginia.

Let’s take Afghanistan where the Reagan administration armed mujihadeen forces countering the Soviet puppet regime. Pity, at the time, the Americans didn’t have a time machine to figure what would occur 20 years plus later. And in any event, not all mujihadeen were fierce islamists.

The Soviets first destabilized Afghanistan by running a coup and installing a communist puppet regime. Perhaps the address is the Kremlin.

Last edited 3 months ago by JC
Rosie
Rosie
September 27, 2024 2:07 pm

Ran from the south, thought they’d have a parade.
Oops.
https://x.com/hahussain/status/1839456331985829941?t=-iRoEBRvf2-TWgDNKkIR1A&s=19

Crossie
Crossie
September 27, 2024 2:09 pm

‘War has rules. Even when confronting terrorists’, Wong tells U.N

Terrorists obviously don’t follow any rules yet Senator Wong is still taking their side and making excuses for them. She has obviously never heard of the proverb that when you are kind to the cruel you are cruel to the kind.

Rosie
Rosie
September 27, 2024 2:10 pm

Anyone that speaks out against hamas in Gaza gets slaughtered.
At least Lebanon isnt quite there yet.
https://x.com/Osint613/status/1839391409016607216?t=ISGa5MPOBr-VV_HDUaEz1A&s=19

Rosie
Rosie
September 27, 2024 2:16 pm
AnotherRanga
AnotherRanga
September 27, 2024 2:54 pm
Reply to  dover0beach

Unrelated. Two comments submitted today from AM to PM still awaiting approval. Are you trying to tell me something?

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
September 27, 2024 6:48 pm
Reply to  dover0beach

And their invasion of Iraq only empowered Iran – which the Israelis foresaw. Contrary to anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, the Israeli government was not keen on Bush Jr’s Iraq escapade for that very reason. Saddam’s regime was nasty but nothing like the threat Tehran poses.

Indolent
Indolent
September 27, 2024 2:25 pm

Quite extraordinary how often he’s proven right.

@Breaking911

TRUMP ON NYC MAYOR ERIC ADAMS: “I watched about a year ago when he talked about how the illegal migrants are hurting our city…and I said, ‘you know what, he’ll be indicted within a year.’ And I was exactly right.”

“That’s what they do. These are dirty players.”

Kneel
Kneel
September 27, 2024 2:27 pm

‘War has rules. Even when confronting terrorists’, Wong tells U.N

An enemy that deliberately and with intent disobeys those very rules in order to cause maximum impact upon the other side deserves no mercy.
Gazans are lucky the place isn’t glass with a green glow.

Indolent
Indolent
September 27, 2024 2:31 pm

Now we know why they choose now to go after Eric Adams. Not that he probably isn’t guilty of what he’s been accused of, just that guilt was never a problem for the left, so long as they remained completely loyal.
Andrew Cuomo Wants to Be Mayor of New York City

Indolent
Indolent
September 27, 2024 2:32 pm
Boambee John
Boambee John
September 27, 2024 3:59 pm
Reply to  Indolent

And is Africa too “black” and “African”?

The Middle East too “Brown” and “Muslim”?

OK, forget about the second question.

Indolent
Indolent
September 27, 2024 2:41 pm

@TrumpDailyPosts

First Lady Melania Trump on the election: “How I see it is, the records speak for themselves. The country is suffering. People are not able to buy usual necessities for their families. We have wars going on around the world. Soldiers are dying… The border is open and dangerous — a lot of fentanyl is coming over, killing our youth… If we compare the four years under this administration, compared to the four years under my husband as Commander-In-Chief, he was leading this country through peace through strength.”

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 27, 2024 2:41 pm

At Helsinki Airport with a couple of hours to kill, I spot a ‘FIZZA’ pizza vending machine.

Why not?

Swipe card, €14 for a ‘Mexicana’, 3 minutes later the (fairly small) pizza emerges in its box.

Amazingly, although the base is a bit soft, it’s hot and not disgusting.

Top Ender
Top Ender
September 27, 2024 3:35 pm
Reply to  Dr Faustus

€14!!!

Titus Groates
Titus Groates
September 27, 2024 2:42 pm

War has rules, says Senator Wong. Even with terrorists.

I know about rules of law and Just War Theory. But how do you fight villians who don’t subscribe to either?

There is another way. The Chicago way:-

https://youtu.be/xPZ6eaL3S2E?si=sN4-rMvfamh1D1zU

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 27, 2024 4:03 pm
Reply to  Titus Groates

Hand every Hamarse and Lessbollocks member captured in violation of the four conditions in the Geneva Conventions for the conduct of irregular warfare and protection of civilians and critical infrastructure over to the ICC for trial, with photographic evidence.

Last edited 3 months ago by Boambee John
Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 27, 2024 2:45 pm

Some of the best memories of my life occured around that pool. I understand why Wilson Tuckey drained the pool,. We hit that joint with gusto. All ten of us.

If anyone was to crack their head or drown, it would have been a legal nightmare.

Some of my last memories of Carnarvon is the Port Hotel.

Indolent
Indolent
September 27, 2024 2:46 pm

@julie_kelly2

DOJ now applying a rarely used Civil War era statute against J6ers after SCOTUS reversed obstruction felony.

This charge—like 1512(c)(2)—violates the intent and language and history of the law.

But Garland/Monaco/Graves DGAF

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 27, 2024 2:47 pm

Mona’s ‘Ladies Lounge’ wins court battle to exclude men from art-filled spaceBy Gabriella CoslovichSeptember 27, 2024 — 10.10am

Listen to this article
3 min
The controversial Ladies Lounge at Tasmania’s Museum of Old and New Art will be permitted to reopen and continue to refuse entry to men following a decision by the state’s Supreme Court that found it was not in breach of anti-discrimination law.
On Friday morning, Acting Justice Shane Marshall overturned an April decision by the Tasmanian Civil and Administrative Tribunal, which had found the Ladies Lounge in breach of Tasmania’s Anti-Discrimination Act 1998.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
September 27, 2024 8:28 pm

Ooh Roxanne Tickle will be booking a ticket toot sweet

Indolent
Indolent
September 27, 2024 2:49 pm
1735099
1735099
September 27, 2024 2:56 pm

Boambee John @ 11.02am

I’ve had direct experience with that committee. They are reasonable if you are.
They are very firm on preventing any disruption to the lives of veterans. 

Is it reasonable to demand that prior to interview the researcher must ask the participant if he has a diagnosis of PTSD, and if the answer is in the affirmative, then the veteran’s counsellor must sit in on the interview?

That was where we parted company.

In my view (and that of my supervisor) it wasn’t, and I wasn’t prepared to budge on that. Asking a veteran if he has a diagnosis is a breach of privacy, and unacceptable.

The university designed a process which preserved both he dignity and the privacy of the participants.

DVA apparently has not heard of post-traumatic growth.

This phenomena was a feature of the lives of most interviewed.

Hence the title – A Sweet Use of Adversity. (William Shakespeare, As you Like It).

Full extract –
Sweet are the uses of adversity,Which, like the toad, ugly and venomous,Wears yet a precious jewel in his head;And this our life, exempt from public haunt,Find tongues in trees, books in the running brooks,Sermons in stones, and good in everything.
I am particularly fond of the last line, especially as it applies to this site.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 27, 2024 5:53 pm
Reply to  1735099

You’re the one who keeps coming back for more…

Titus Groates
Titus Groates
September 27, 2024 6:07 pm
Reply to  1735099

Particularly when you spout your dribble. You projecting, self-referential mediocrity.

MatrixTransform
September 27, 2024 6:33 pm
Reply to  1735099

pfft … Shakespeare didn’t even have internet

Indolent
Indolent
September 27, 2024 2:57 pm

Labor’s misinformation bill is ‘bonkers’

and finally the Coalition is taking a firm stand – This Bill belongs in the Bin”

‘Rotten to the core’: Labor’s ‘terrible’ misinformation bill slammed

JC
JC
September 27, 2024 3:00 pm

They couldn’t be so stupid as to not think of the consequences of their current policy. What did they believe would happen if they were successful?

Why? First off, the real fight at the time was the Soviet Union. Secondly, there wasn’t a threat from militant Islam then and wasn’t even talked about. Lastly, the Americans were arming the same groups they armed at the start of the Afghan war.

Last edited 3 months ago by JC
Mak Siccar
Mak Siccar
September 27, 2024 3:08 pm

For Sydney Cats and Kittens. Apology if already posted/alerted.

Nation First by George Christensen is a reader-supported publication defending our sovereignty and democratic, free way of life.

Rally to Save Free Speech
Nation First calls on Australians to stand up, fight back, and defend their right to free speech.
SEP 27

Tomorrow, I will be speaking at a major rally in Sydney, being held in protest against the Albanese Labor Government’s so-called Combatting Misinformation & Disinformation Bill.

If you’re in Sydney or you can get to Sydney tomorrow, then I hope you will attend.

But if you can’t, fear not!

As subscribers to Nation First, I’m giving you a sneak peek of the backbone of the speech I will deliver at the rally tomorrow:

  • The government wants to control what you say, think, and believe through the so-called Combatting Misinformation and Disinformation Bill.
  • They rushed the bill into Parliament without debate, hoping you wouldn’t notice, just like they did with the Digital ID Bill.
  • This bill will let the government decide what’s true, but you and I know that’s authoritarianism, and we cannot allow it to pass.
  • You have three days to go to http://www.savefreespeech.com.au and flood the Senate with submissions to stop this dangerous bill.
  • If we act together, we can protect free speech and stop this power grab. We will not be silenced.
Mak Siccar
Mak Siccar
September 27, 2024 3:09 pm
Reply to  Mak Siccar

Kittehs ! Damn autocorrect!

calli
calli
September 27, 2024 3:20 pm

“War has rules. Even when confronting terrorists.

Try picturing a kidnapped Wong thumbing through the Rule Book while she awaits rescue.

No, I can’t either.

Gabor
Gabor
September 27, 2024 3:28 pm

Pogria
September 27, 2024 8:31 am

Harking back to a post I made on the previous page, China is so great at building and engineering, it is a total surprise that the Sub sank. Lol!

I think we will never learn the real reason for the mishap, but it reminds me of the sinking of a German sub due to toilet malfunction. (know it all officer not following complex procedures)

The Germans were a slight better engineers than the Chinese, BTW.

In short, someone screwed up.

Pogria
Pogria
September 27, 2024 3:58 pm
Reply to  Gabor

That’s funny!. I hadn’t heard of it, but hardly surprising an officer would believe that he knew instinctively what to do. Procedures are for the rank and file. 😀

Wally Dali
Wally Dali
September 27, 2024 3:51 pm

Makkah
*We* don’t preach for the massacre of the innocents.
That’s what makes us better than them.

JC
JC
September 27, 2024 3:57 pm

Firstly, that just proves my point that militant Islam is a recent manifestation distinguishable from political Islam as it existed prior to the post-WW2 period.

I’m not arguing that. Islam has had its ups and downs over the centuries. But let’s be real—before oil turned Saudi Arabia into a cash cow, nobody cared about the Middle East. It was like the universe’s least interesting side quest, barely worth colonizing!

Secondly, the US deferring the possibility of an ascendent militant Islam emerging doesn’t absolve them of a role in its emergence whether or not they factored the Soviets as the more immediate threat.

Alright, let’s not go off on a tangent here. The U.S. backed people like Massoud’s dad—a pro-American warlord. His son, Massoud, was taken out by a suicide bomber right at the start of the Afghan war. It was these groups that the Reagan Administration supported.

But who really kicked off the chaos in Afghanistan? The Soviets, of course, by staging a coup and trying to set up a puppet regime. They left with their tails between their legs.
And for the ‘Jihadists doing Jihadist things’ file: The U.S. Navy was basically born because of jihadi pirates along the North African coast. Americans got tired of their ships being hijacked, so they pooled some cash to build a navy just to go wipe those guys out. Turns out, it worked! It was even called a jihad against infidels—guess the tables turned on that one too.

Last edited 3 months ago by JC
JC
JC
September 27, 2024 4:04 pm

And the Sovs were always screwing around in the MidEast and causing chaos. So Dover, don’t go blaming just the Americans for an unstable MidEast. The disgusting Sovs were in it up to their necks.

Kneel
Kneel
September 27, 2024 4:10 pm

“It was even called a jihad against infidels…”

Well, there’s your problem!
Should have called it a Crusade against heathens.

Last edited 3 months ago by kneel
Boambee John
Boambee John
September 27, 2024 4:12 pm

Re Numbers at 1456.

Did you challenge that decision to the senior staff processes of DVA, then go to the AAT, and the Federal Court, as others are required to do if they don’t accept administrative decisions? Or are you so arrogant as to reject the constraints of administrative law?

Still, the good news is that the university (Which one?) will be beside you should you be challenged. You might even be able to leech off their lawyers.

Normal citizens are required to go through this process, why should you be exempt?

PS, I suspect that DVA could have found a work around, had you asked.

Last edited 3 months ago by Boambee John
1735099
1735099
September 27, 2024 4:36 pm
Reply to  Boambee John

The stated purpose of DVA is to support the wellbeing of veterans.
The conditions they demanded would have had precisely the opposite result.
In addition, they are struggling to manage the claims being submitted by veterans despite the current government attempts to restore their staffing base.
Every dollar spent on the maintenance of the DVAHREC is a dollar not spent on addressing veterans’ claims.