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Indolent
Indolent
September 27, 2024 8:00 am
Roger
Roger
September 27, 2024 8:03 am

Deeming tape exposes the Liberal divide, Pesutto should go west

Kevin Andrews, The Spectator (Oz ed), 28 September 2024

It is rare that ordinary Australians gain an insight into the inner workings of political parties. There is good reason for this: parties require a degree of confidentiality to have frank internal discussions free from media intrusion that would hinder rather than assist the resolution of many issues. Although there are leaks from party and caucus meetings, much of the discussion still remains confidential. Cabinet and shadow cabinet meetings and those of leadership groups generally remain confidential.

This past week, Australians have had a rare glimpse of an internal meeting between the leadership group of the Victorian parliamentary Liberal party and the novice MP, Moira Deeming. Ms Deeming had been summoned to meet opposition leader John Pesutto, deputy leader David Southwick and Upper House leaders Georgie Crozier and Matt Bach to discuss her participation in a pro-woman rally. Unknown – apparently to everyone else present – Mr Southwick surreptitiously recorded the conversation. Why he did this is not clear. It may become so when he is cross-examined by the formidable Sue Chrysanthou KC during the defamation proceedings Deeming has brought against Pesutto. The existence of the recording only became public in recent weeks, not having been disclosed earlier in the discovery process in the action. It is now available to all, having been released for publication by the court. Throughout, Mr Southwick sounds like the chief prosecutor.

Whatever his motives, Mr Southwick’s recording is an insight into how the current leadership of the Victorian parliamentary party operates. It is not pretty. My comments are not about the issues that the judge will determine in the defamation trial. Having studied defamation law and given advice about the subject when at the Bar, I am well aware of the intricacies of the subject, and the many twists and turns that are likely to come as various witnesses are cross-examined. Rather, it is the insights into the state of the party that are my focus.

Mr Pesutto’s opening comments are telling: ‘I’ve very much – and you would have heard this over interviews over recent weeks and the last few months – is to try to position the party so that whoever you are, whether you’re hetero, whether you’re same-sex attracted, whether you are trans, whoever you are the Liberal party can be a voice for you because the values of the party apply to anybody, no matter who you are because it’s about enterprise, it’s about the rule of law, strength of communities, personal effort, those sorts of things’.

Mr Pesutto is selective in his recitation of the values of the party. Compare his list with the values that are outlined in the model constitution recently released by the party. The first of these values is, ‘Freedom of conscience, freedom of religion, freedom of expression and freedom of association as the building blocks of a robust and fair society.’ These values are repeated in the objectives in the model constitution. The tenor of the 70-minute discussion is that Ms Deeming can hold her views about safe spaces for women, female-only facilities and female-only sporting competitions, but there is no place for her in the parliamentary Liberal party. It is suggested to her that she would be better being an independent. When she failed to embrace this proposal, she was informed that a motion to expel her will be moved unless she resigned in the meantime. The premise of the charge against her was that she associated with Nazis, despite her assertions that she did not know that a neo-Nazi group was planning to disrupt a rally supporting women, at which she spoke. It is understandable that Mr Southwick, who represents an electorate with a large Jewish population, is sensitive to any perceived or alleged connections to Nazism. But he seemed to entirely disregard the fact that the women’s rally itself was organised by, as it happens, a Jewish woman.

Towards the end of the discussion, one of the leadership group referred to the rally organisers as ‘your people’ implying that any association other speakers at the rally had with Nazis represented Deeming’s own position, despite her denials. It was unedifying.

My observation of Liberal party members is that their views about women’s issues are generally aligned to those of Ms Deeming. Indeed, they are the views of the majority of Australians.

If Mr Pesutto’s premise is accepted, the logical consequence is that Liberal MPs will not be able to speak about matters seen as unimportant or unacceptable to the leadership. That has never been the Liberal way.

The recording discloses a number of other worrying matters. The impression I gained was that the leading Liberals were totally cowered by then premier, Dan Andrews. The members of the leadership group repeatedly claimed that the premier would assert the Liberals were pro-Nazi. Instead of calling this the nonsense that it is, they were dancing to Mr Andrews’ claims. There was also undue deference to the left-wing Melbourne Age and to social media. Equally, there seemed to be a fear of the LGBTQIA+ community. While that community is entitled to put its views, it should not be dictating Liberal policy.

The claim that the opposition had the Labor government on the ropes at the time and that Ms Deeming’s participation in the rally was derailing their efforts, frankly seem delusional. There is an ongoing risk to members of parliament of becoming consumed by the media bubble in which they work. I recall phoning my wife from Canberra one afternoon, describing the great question time we (the opposition) had that day. ‘It must have been a different question time to what I was watching on TV,’ was her curt response!

The recording – and the case – reveal a clear division in priorities between the inner-suburban Liberals and the rest of the state. The leadership team represented inner and middle-suburban electorates.

Mr Pesutto is the member for the wealthy, leafy suburbs around Hawthorn. Mr Southwick holds the nearby electorate of Caulfield. Despite growing up at Traralgon in the Latrobe Valley – the son of hard-working Italian migrants – Mr Pesutto often appears to favour the Labor-lite concerns of the city elites.

In contrast, Ms Deeming is one of only two Liberal MPs from the western suburbs. The transport corridor stretching north of the Melbourne CBD along Royal Parade, Sydney Road and the Hume Highway is the dividing line between the east and west of the city.

The Liberal party holds none of the eleven suburban lower-house seats west of that line. For more than half a million electors, the Liberals have just two upper-house members. Despite being successful in a sea of red seats, it seems that it was anathema to the leadership group for Ms Deeming to present the views with which most Victorians associate.

With more members of the parliamentary Liberal party due to give evidence, these divisions are likely to be further exposed.

AnotherRanga
AnotherRanga
September 27, 2024 8:08 am

Testing, testing, 123.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
September 27, 2024 8:09 am

How to get cover for some instant arbritary action against your enemies?
..get Their ABC to explode an explosive exposay.
New South Wales Premier Chris Minns has promised to “weed out” the “horrific behaviour” in the state’s police force following “harrowing” revelations from an ABC News investigation.
Note, they’re only “relevations”, not yet evidence or even testimony.
ABC News has spoken to more than a dozen current and former officers who have made allegations of bullying, nepotism, sexism and a dangerous lack of support for officers suffering from PTSD.
Nothing to do with three years of N*zi Camp Giard activities under the aegis of the planned pandemic?
They claim the toxic culture has led to a mass exodus from the police force, contributing to an almost 20 per cent shortfall in officers across the state.
Aha, a claim! Razors out, Minns, go git ’em!

Rosie
Rosie
September 27, 2024 8:12 am

1400 years since mo slaughtered the Jews at Medina and the muslims started their attempts at world conquest (estimated that over a billion people have been murdered in their endless wars for el sham) but it’s still, somehow, the fault of Jews when muslims try to slaughter them.
You have Shiite imans in Lebanon putting fatwas on Hezbollah for the deaths of civilians they put in harm’s way but the armchair experts somewhere else know more about what’s happening.
Of course.

Indolent
Indolent
September 27, 2024 8:27 am

I was listening to the Bret Weinstein chat when I posted it. His ability to explain complex things, which have a direct bearing on our lives, simply is quite extraordinary.

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will
will
September 27, 2024 8:28 am

Still snivelling, after all these years.

Quite amazing that a bitter and twisted old socialist, who wants more government, gets more government in the form of conscription, doesn’t like it at all.

Noted that conscription is a form of slavery, and if you want an army you need to pay a market rate for people willing to risk their life.

Makka
Makka
September 27, 2024 8:30 am

You have Shiite imans in Lebanon putting fatwas on Hezbollah for the deaths of civilians they put in harm’s way

IMO it’s come to this. I don’t care how many Mohammedans Israel kills. The less there are, the better we are off. The time for sensitivity is passed, we in the west have to accept that moslems intend to put the west under their sword. Fk em, fk em all.

Pogria
Pogria
September 27, 2024 8:31 am

Harking back to a post I made on the previous page, China is so great at building and engineering, it is a total surprise that the Sub sank. Lol!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13895821/poo-cano-erupts-shooting-human-excrement-33ft-air-cars.html

Beertruk
September 27, 2024 8:31 am

This link was sent to me by a mate who works at the War Memorial.

TheirTealsGreensALPBC linky:

Man arrested for allegedly spray-painting pro-Palestinian slogans on War Memorial and ABC buildings in Canberra
Magistrate Alexandra Burt warned Evans “If you wish to part take in civil conversation you should do that in a lawful manner”.

But she granted him bail saying she didn’t think he needed close supervision given he “seems motivated by a political conscience”.

Mr Evans will have to obey conditions to stay away from the War Memorial, the ABC and other landmarks, unless he is in transit.

Of course he got bail.
Retarded.

Zippster
Zippster
September 27, 2024 8:44 am
Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
September 27, 2024 8:50 am

Makka, you’ve lowered yourself to the enemy’s level. Of Hell.
Get a grip.

Indolent
Indolent
September 27, 2024 8:50 am

Patrick Byrne of the FBI.

@SpartaJustice

EVIDENCE OF CORRUPTION: Evidence of Obama, CIA Brennan, FBI Comey blackmailing Hillary Clinton with a bribe of $18 million dollars which she accepted. Garland and FBI Wray destroyed child porn evidence from Ukraine that was to be planted on Trump. Evidence Epstein was murdered.

alwaysright
alwaysright
September 27, 2024 8:50 am

Testing …

Vietnam Vietnam Vietnam Vietnam

End test

Crossie
Crossie
September 27, 2024 8:51 am

WONG SIGNS US UP TO CEASEFIRE PLEA 

CLARE ARMSTRONG – NATIONAL POLITICAL EDITOR 

Australia has land and air defence personnel ready to help evacuate its citizens from Lebanon if an operation is ordered, 

It would have been nice to have had this sort of dedication to bringing Australians home from overseas before the COVID lockdowns in 2020.

Eyrie
Eyrie
September 27, 2024 8:53 am

Noted that conscription is a form of slavery, and if you want an army you need to pay a market rate for people willing to risk their life.

Correct. Or at least have a cause/plan that convinces people to join. Those of us with more than half a brain figured out in 1964 that there wasn’t one as far as Vietnam was concerned and wanted no part of idiot plans to send Australian troops there. We were right.
Not also that 20 year olds were legally not adults at the time. Conscripting children. Charming.
Only one of my friends from school/university got conscripted and none joined the CMF or the military voluntarily. They either weren’t called up or got out on conscientious objection grounds. There was lawyer in Freo who specialised in this. Good for them.
The guy who did get conscripted failed several goes at electrical engineering (hint – don’t make your kid do something he doesn’t want to do. The guy was a keen chemist). He found computers and in some kind of military miracle the Army actually gave him computers to run.

Makka
Makka
September 27, 2024 8:56 am

Makka, you’ve lowered yourself to the enemy’s level. Of Hell.

Get a grip.

I’ve lived over a decade in Islamic countries. STFU until you understand what you are talking about.

Roger
Roger
September 27, 2024 8:57 am

Australia has land and air defence personnel ready to help evacuate its citizens from Lebanon if an operation is ordered…

They were advised to leave in July.

Commercial flights were still operating this week.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 27, 2024 8:57 am

I wonder how long it will last before someone pulls it down, chops it up and sells it to a scrap merchant?

Dan statue confirmed: Ex-premier to be immortalised in bronze (Tele, paywalled)

A new statue is in the works to honour former premier Daniel Andrews but the Allan government won’t say where it will be placed or how much it will cost taxpayers.

After all, those statues of Lenin all over eastern Europe went the same way.

johanna
johanna
September 27, 2024 9:06 am

But she granted him bail saying she didn’t think he needed close supervision given he “seems motivated by a political conscience”.
———————————————————-
This is regarding the guy who vandalised the War Memorial with pro Palestinian slogans.

WTF? Does this idiot magistrate understand anything at all about politics and history?

Her revered ‘political conscience’ has been the motivation for many of the worst atrocities in history.

What a dope.

Roger
Roger
September 27, 2024 9:09 am

A new statue is in the works to honour former premier Daniel Andrews…

Pigeons of Melbourne, you know what to do.

1735099
1735099
September 27, 2024 9:18 am

Lizzie (Elizabeth) Beare @ 7:07pm

Why does he feel the need to come here?
Why not look for some of his old mates and help out any who are in trouble? A good listening ear might be welcome there, if he could learn to do that.

Two reasons – learning and teaching.

If you read every post on this site, you’ll (very occasionally) find something that is closer to analysis than opinion.

It is always possible to learn something from those rare gems.

And I’m a teacher; have been since 1968. There are teaching moments, even here. I don’t waste them.

As for Why not look for some of his old mates and help out any who are in trouble?

Been doing that for fifty-four years. Of ten in my rifle section, five are now beyond help – Multiple myeloma; two suicides; pancreatic cancer; and one shot by police.

johanna
johanna
September 27, 2024 9:23 am

I can’t play the latest Pauline Hanson video.

It comes up ‘This video is unavailable.’

Censored by Youtube?

Roger
Roger
September 27, 2024 9:24 am

The Misinformation Bill’s Sly Tyranny

Ruben Kirkham, Quadrant Online, 27 September, 2024

The Misinformation Bill is upon us. This is about making the powerful the arbiter of truth: after all, misinformation is largely in the eye of the beholder. The Labor Government knows its bad. That’s why they are trying to sneak it through parliament at the last minute without anyone noticing — an effort which is so far failing. They hope no-one will understand its contents, or even how it works. They are attempting to deflect criticism by providing Potemkin safeguards, such as generalised references to freedom of speech.

The Bill creates a range of powers that are gifted to the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA). The first is to make ‘codes’ that regulate a range of online platforms, including social media platforms. At the same time, ACMA will also gain a suite of powers to obtain information from tech companies, as and when they see fit.

If online platforms don’t comply with ACMA’s diktats met, it has the power to issue enormous fines to the tech companies. Worse still, there is a power to fine individuals who advise others how to get around the codes. For example, if this bill passes, then individuals could be fined simply for suggesting the use of a Virtual Private Network (VPN) that makes the user appear to be accessing the internet from outside of Australia.

This Orwellian attack on companies and individuals come straight from the playbook of the Brazilian ‘jurist’ Alexandre de Moraes, who recently imposed fines on Elon Musk’s X Corp (aka Twitter). In response, Musk dubbed de Moraes the “the Darth Vader of Brazil”.

Much of the criticism of the legislation has focussed on its definition of misinformation but that’s a sideshow. The real threat comes because ACMA’s new powers work coercively, rather than directly. ACMA can design codes to favour providers that do its bidding. They can also selectively prosecute breaches of their codes, wherein their true power lies. For example, they can reward social media companies who censor more than is required in line with the dominant ideological emphasis, an issue that has already arisen with respect to the European Union. They can do what the eSafety Commissioner has already done and issue abusive requests for information, followed up with fines when the requests are rejected. The true model is one of collateral censorship, via a quid pro quo model, since any attempt to regulate ‘misinformation’, no matter how narrowly defined, will result in a wide form of censorship.

If you don’t believe this, look at how the eSafety Commissioner — Julie Inman Grant — already operates. Under Statute, the eSafety Commissioner actually has very limited formal powers to take down content. She is required to comply with the ‘implied freedom of political community’. Her powers are officially used rarely, maybe a few dozen each year, according to her own annual reports. Most of the time she instead issues ‘informal notices’ which, according to her, cannot be appealed, even if one is fortunate to find out about them. This approach subverts the rule of law, but also illustrates the risk of creating any body on this topic.

After all, why wouldn’t ACMA do what Ms Inman Grant already does.

As it happens, we have a test case about this in the Administrative Appeals Tribunal, namely that of Baumgarten v eSafety Commissioner, where this issue will be determined after a November hearing.

The reality is that companies (other than X), comply with her ‘informal’ requests all the time. This even includes GoDaddy, a web hosting platform that sells domains and takes down websites at her request. So the existing practice already circumvents all the extensive statutory safeguards. The Mis/Dis/Info Bill has the potential to make this even worse. Remember that the eSafety Commissioner is a part of ACMA and all her staff are on its payroll.

But wait, there are some other nasties.

Labor has also launched two other bills that have attracted less attention. The first concerns ‘Doxxing’, but goes well beyond this legitimate concern. If the Bill passes, saying that ‘Roxanne Tickle is a biological man who was originally called Jason’ could potentially land you in prison for up to seven years. The same would go for telling people where Dan Andrews plays golf. Such lengthy custodial sentences would be grossly disproportionate and the effect would be to bring any form of trans rights into disrepute, injuring those the legislation was apparently designed to protect. It is the opposite of progressive.

Then there is the Hate Speech Bill, which will make it even easier to imprison someone for incitement. This works by making modifications to existing offences, lowering the threshold for conviction, and expanding the coverage to a wider range of groups. This is another hidden nasty that it risks being used to imprison people for social media posts, in a similarly draconian manner to what is happening in the UK. Of course, these bills are given no prominence by the government because they don’t want you to know what they are up to.

We’ve got a fight on our hands! The Free Speech Union will be hard at work challenging these Bills. We’ve made a tool that helps you very quickly write a submission to the Senate in a matter of minutes. But please do hurry, you’ve only got until the September 30 to lodge a submission!

To make it easier, here’s the link:freespeechunion.au/misinfo

It is time to write! While we still can.

Dr Reuben Kirkham is a founder of the Free Speech Union of Australia.

Kneel
Kneel
September 27, 2024 9:27 am
Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
September 27, 2024 9:29 am

Laura Jayes and Fluffy Annaliese almost choke at having to report about Melania having an interview with Fox News, and speaking at an event for Gay & Lesbian Republicans.

They manage to infer that Melania blaming the media and the democrats for the two (so far) attempted assassinations of her husband is a bit of a stretch!

What’s more, her being paid to do that public engagement is almost distasteful to the Daytime Sky crew, something never inferred if it’s Michelle or Hillary.

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Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 27, 2024 9:32 am
Dunny Brush
Dunny Brush
September 27, 2024 9:34 am

Just noticed the Burgatory in Surrey Hills has closed down. Good.

Bungonia Bee
Bungonia Bee
September 27, 2024 9:39 am

Only four days to comment on Albo’s Ministry of Truth legislation.
More power to the UN? No thanks.
Global Government? The UN doing the Devil’s work.

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
September 27, 2024 9:39 am

Roger

Wouldn’t surprise me in the least and been a bit of military traffic in and out of RAAF Garbutt lately and normally I’d think nothing other than a tad more than usual but for the escalation in southern Lebanon. Lets hope it doesn’t reach into the northern areas around Tripoli.

It would be a thankless task for our troops dealing with these low-lives and how many would be Hezbollah/terror organisation combatant fleeing back to the safety of Oz.

Cassie of Sydney
September 27, 2024 9:51 am

As you know, I come from a dog loving family. Any canine lucky enough to find a home in my family is one fortunate canine. They become part of the family. We adore them.

I wish dogs lived for ever, it’s unfair we outlive them. I believe dogs are angels sent by Hashem, to provide us humans with eternal comfort, loyalty and love. I know the more rational here might think I’m ‘barking’ mad (pardon the pun) but it’s something I believe.

The Hebrew word for dog is ‘Caleb’ or ‘Calev’. Caleb means ‘wholehearted and dog-like’. The boy’s name, Caleb’, means ‘loyalty and devotion’, traits which our canine friends possess in abundance. The word and the name ‘celebrates the faithful human companion’s most beloved qualities‘.

The Midrash tells us that when we left Egypt, whilst we packed and prepared to flee, the dogs of Egypt didn’t bark so as to protect the Hebrews fleeing. And last year, the dogs across the kibbutzim, moshavs and towns of Southern Israel alerted Jews by barking ferociously. Many lives were saved because of our canine friends. Many dogs paid a heavy price for their loyalty and love, many were slaughtered by Hamas Nazi scum.

It’s no accident that Jews love dogs whilst Muslims don’t.

I write this because yesterday my sister had to put down her Australian terrier. It was not an easy decision for her, over the last two years this little canine treasure had succumbed to diabetes (some breeds are more prone to this than others). Despite morning and evening insulin injections, she went blind, and over the last few weeks she was knocking into walls and weeing everywhere. She had become reed thin, what kept her alive was love.

I cried last night when I heard the news.

I know her soul has returned to Hashem. There is no dog heaven, there’s just one heaven, a place called ‘Shamayim’ where our souls return to Hashem. I can think of no greater privilege than sharing Shamayim with our canine friends.

Rosie
Rosie
September 27, 2024 9:51 am

Only censored for you Jo

Beertruk
September 27, 2024 9:56 am

Cassie of Sydney
 September 27, 2024 9:51 am

I wish dogs lived for ever, it’s unfair we outlive them. I believe dogs are angels sent by Hashem, to provide us humans with eternal comfort, loyalty and love. I know the more rational here might think I’m ‘barking’ mad (pardon the pun) but it’s something I believe.

“If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went.”- Will Rogers

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Delta A
Delta A
September 27, 2024 10:13 am

Wordle in two again!

How do ya like them Sapote, Panzer?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 27, 2024 10:15 am

Having trouble posting overnight.
Am I in some sort of moderation?

Where in this society am I as a human being?

My mouth is gagged.

Who made me that way? The Government!

I have nothing to lose.

Why are you doing this to me Dover?

Why?
I’m the victim here!

Cassie of Sydney
September 27, 2024 10:16 am

I do Wordle every day, along with my sister and two nephews. We have a competition and we text each other our scores.

Today I was 3/6.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 27, 2024 10:17 am

Oh.
Looks like I am not banned or in moderation.
As you were.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 27, 2024 10:20 am

Cassie of Sydney
 September 27, 2024 10:16 am

I do Wordle every day, along with my sister and two nephews. We have a competition and we text each other our scores.

Today I was 3/6.

Lucky.
Mrs P and I do it over coffee every day.
It oscillates between a game of skill and a game of chance, depending on who wins.
Kids now play it in Primary School which I think is a fun way to build literacy skills.
I also do Quordle, Octordle and Strands.

Jock
Jock
September 27, 2024 10:25 am

Roger. I have asked this question in comments in the Oz but never a response. Who were the “nazis” who turned up at the deeming rally? The msm have been unusually uninterested in who they were. It’s almost like they know but don’t want to say. Normally they try to dox such people. But in this circumstance we get crickets.
Who was their leader? What parts of fascist ideology attracts them? Do they belief in the final solution? You know stuff like that. But the press were uninterested.

cohenite
September 27, 2024 10:31 am

And I’m a teacher; have been since 1968.

“Those who can, do; those who can’t, teach,”

GBS, Man and Superman.

Tom
Tom
September 27, 2024 10:34 am

In the words of John “Sammy” Newman, I couldn’t be less interested in tomorrow’s AFL grand final.

Peter Broelman perfectly captured the mood in Melbourne this week. (Both teams are transplanted Melbourne teams).

PS: I’m tipping South Melbourne — now a.k.a. the Bondi Millionaires.

JC
JC
September 27, 2024 10:37 am

Yep

I’m calling it. 

Game over in terms of who wins the vote.

Democrats are only left with illegal paths to success.

So the outcome is unpredictable.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 27, 2024 10:42 am

Wordle 4/6.
Totally a game of chance.
Although I did a stupid thing.
Had a letter in the right spot but then chose a word with it in another spot.

Rosie
Rosie
September 27, 2024 10:46 am

I like NYT spelling bee.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 27, 2024 10:54 am

She obviously really liked cheese.

Scientists discover world’s oldest cheese buried with ancient Chinese mummy (26 Sep)

When the 3,600-year-old coffin of a young woman was excavated in northwestern China two decades ago, archeologists discovered a mysterious substance laid out along her neck like a piece of jewelry.

It was made of cheese, and scientists now say it’s the oldest cheese ever found. … This mummy was excavated in 2003 and the researchers always thought this was a bit of jewelry. Only recently did they discover it was cheese.

When forgotten in the fridge I know that cheese can turn into an indefatigable rock-hard substance. But surviving intact for 3,600 years is something else.

Roger
Roger
September 27, 2024 10:54 am

In the words of John “Sammy” Newman, I couldn’t be less interested in tomorrow’s AFL grand final.

Who’s playing?

bons
bons
September 27, 2024 10:55 am

I see that Fonda is a jew hater now.

She should be grateful to the Jews. She had run out of causes to misrepresent and bestow her hypocrisy upon. Israel popped up just in time.

Why iis it that r’soles live so long?

Tom
Tom
September 27, 2024 11:01 am

Game over in terms of who wins the vote.

Democrats are only left with illegal paths to success.

So the outcome is unpredictable.

The Harris candidacy – a panicked last-minute reaction by the DNC to the American public finding out in the presidential debate that Biden is in fact senile and no longer fit for purpose – is now entirely a creation of the American news media, who protected Biden for four years when they knew he wasn’t up to it.

The only way Trump can win is in a landslide which makes it impossible to hide Harris’s unpopularity.

But the Dems are addicted to power and they’ll do anything to hold onto it so the outcome is indeed unpredictable.

Boambee John
Boambee John
September 27, 2024 11:02 am

Re the bleat by Numbers about the DVA research ethics committee, I’ve had direct experience with that committee. They are reasonable if you are.

They are very firm on preventing any disruption to the lives of veterans. That is why they wanted to hear what Numbers was up to. He had better hope that there are no complaints after he told them to “go to buggery”. He could have a rude awakening.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 27, 2024 11:03 am

I see that Fonda is a jew hater now.

She has all of the most fashionable beliefs.

Jane Fonda: Trump Will ‘Burn Up Planet’ (27 Sep)

cohenite
September 27, 2024 11:08 am

Leftoids never give up:

If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again. 

That’s what Attorney General Merrick Garland’s Department of Justice (DOJ) is doing in their over-zealous prosecution of January 6 defendants. In June, the Supreme Court in United States v. Fischer effectively nuked hundreds of “obstruction” of Congress charges against January 6 defendants, ruling that a post-Enron statute, 18 U.S.C. §1512, designed to punish document destruction, did not apply to a Capitol Hill protest “gone wild.” 

Nonetheless, obsessed with targeting Trump supporters, the DOJ is now charging multiple defendants with a Civil War-era statute—18 U.S.C. § 372—which punishes (up to 6 years in prison) those who intimidate “officers of the United States” from their posts. The DOJ charges that J6ers conspired to chase Members of Congress from Capitol Hill in violation of Section 372. Once again, the DOJ is unfairly prosecuting J6ers under a statute that does not apply to their conduct.

Title 18 U.S.C. § 372 punishes conspiracies “to prevent, by force, intimidation, or threat, any person from accepting or holding any office, trust, or place of confidence under the United States, or from discharging any duties thereof, or to induce by like means any officer of the United States to leave the place, where his duties as an officer are required to be performed[.]” 

The DOJ’s position is that Members of Congress hold the “offices” and are the “officers of the United States” that are covered by Section 372 and, accordingly, that J6ers can be prosecuted for allegedly causing their evacuation from Capitol Hill. The DOJ is obviously wrong from both a historical and statutory construction standpoint. 

Guest Column: DOJ Dusts Off Civil War-Era Statute to Replace 1512(c)(2) (declassified.live)

All this is happening while the DOJ refuses to release the IG’s report on Jan 6 which supposedly has miles of exculpatory video of the nanas and pops strolling around the Capital at the invitation of the cops.

Wally Dali
Wally Dali
September 27, 2024 11:17 am

Makka, you stated that you don’t care how many innocents have to die in exterminating Islamists. “F*ck em. F*uck em all.”
“Get a grip” might have been provocative, but you’ve gone too far. That’s the sentiment of inhumanity, and you’re feeding the beast.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 27, 2024 11:20 am

Rosie
 September 27, 2024 10:46 am

I like NYT spelling bee.

Eye dont lyke noo yawk thymes speling be at awl.

Arky
September 27, 2024 11:21 am

Aaron

 September 27, 2024 10:08 am

 Reply to  Cassie of Sydney

I’ve had three great dogs in my life.

How the hell do men… cope with ranking them

That’s easy:

  • The kelpie. He was just a beautiful, wonderful bloke. Lived to 18. Not a mean bone in his body. Unbelievable intelligence.
  • The border collie/ kelpie cross. Another intelligent, beautiful boy. Only ranks below the kelpie because he did have a bit of mean in him early on, but as an older gentlemen just as gentle and wonderful as the kelp. Gone too soon.
  • The Boxer cross. Dumb as a box of rocks. I mean, really stupid. So she can’t rank with the other two. But what a brave girl she was. Brave and tough and willing. Another wonderful dog who I was lucky to have in my life for 16 years.
The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
September 27, 2024 11:21 am

1400 years since mo slaughtered the Jews at Medina and the muslims started their attempts at world conquest (estimated that over a billion people have been murdered in their endless wars for el sham) but it’s still, somehow, the fault of Jews when muslims try to slaughter them.

I mean, it’s quite simple, really. If you want war, you’re in no position to complain about losing loved ones.

If you want your family to live, you don’t want war. No sooky sooky when you lose when you wanted the risk in the first place.

cohenite
September 27, 2024 11:27 am

Makka, you stated that you don’t care how many innocents have to die in exterminating Islamists. “F*ck em. F*uck em all.”

That begs the questions: are there any innocents in islam. Can you be an muzzie and not support the spread of sharia to replace Western democracy. You may nominally disagree with some of the methods used by the active muzzie terrorist scum but not their goals. That would make you just as guilty as the terrorists.

Makka
Makka
September 27, 2024 11:28 am

Wally,
Don’t lecture me on inhumanity. You’re deluded and also clueless about what Islam is perpetrating in and and on the west. I want the beast dead and gone or at a minimum securely it a cage.Because that is the only real protection that works for us. Israel is doing God’s work as far as I’m concerned. And more power to their arm.

Salvatore - Iron Publican
September 27, 2024 12:14 pm

Dogs. Of the between 100 – 200 dogs I’ve had in my life, Four have lived long enough to die of old age.
Dogs can be great, trouble with ’em is; They don’t live long enough.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
September 27, 2024 12:15 pm

Makka is correct. Anyone that thinks different needs to explain face to face with muzzies where they are wrong. You may be right but you’ll be dead. The Christian belief in turning the other cheek doesn’t work, neither does believing anything muzzies say except they are going to kill you as soon as they can. You are part of the problem.

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Bill From the Bush
Bill From the Bush
September 27, 2024 12:20 pm

Jacinta Price visited our little town in the Northern Goldfields a couple of days ago.
The worst Australian article is below. Also attached is a pic of some of the people she spoke with. All of these people are local and are feeling the effects of Elbow’s insanity as well as the Native title rorts that are enriching lawyers (spit) and out of town activists who make up the boards of most Aboriginal corporations. L to R Publican,senior elder, JP, another elder, Community health boss.
We haven’t seen any of Elbow’s mob out here as they probably would get laughed, or perhaps run, out of town.

 Northern Goldfields community leaders and members have told Liberal Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price about their challenges since the cashless debit card was abolished, as well as problems with native title.

Speaking to media on Wednesday after trips to Leonora and Laverton, Senator Price said she would be back to the region again soon after a “raft” of issues were raised with her from locals.

“The leaders from the communities that we visited today said there was absolute destruction when the cashless debit card was removed,” she said.
“They saw the trail of evidence of access to alcohol in that there were empty bottles of rum littering their communities, literally the day that people were able to come off the cashless debit card.
“We know that when the cashless debit card was introduced, those that were being incarcerated, the rates of domestic and family violence appeared to be halved.
“They could see the difference on the ground as to how positive the cashless debit card was, and why (the Albanese) Government has decided to remove that from our most vulnerable community members is beyond me.”

Senator Price was joined on her trip by senator Matt O’Sullivan, member for O’Connor Rick Wilson. member for Mining and Pastoral Region Neil Thomson and Liberal candidate for the seat of Kalgoorlie Rowena Olsen.
Senator Price said the concerns raised with her further supported her calls for an inquiry into land councils, statutory authorities and Aboriginal organisations funded to close the gap in areas such as the Goldfields, as well as an inquiry into native title legislation.
“(The inquiry is to) help us understand where the billions of dollars have been spent and why they have been failing locals here,” she said.
“There are so many issues with native title where there are traditional owners who are being completely overlooked, shut out, from the opportunity of negotiations, from the opportunity to be able to better their communities, whether it’s through royalties, whether it’s through employment opportunities . . . and something desperately needs to be done to look into how native title can better the lives of our most marginalised.

“The cost of living is a huge issue for people throughout the Goldfields, whether it is the Indigenous community or the non-Indigenous community . . . there’s a raft of issues, and quite frankly, it’s appalling that Anthony Albanese and his Government continue to ignore what the needs are on the ground here.
“But I’m very glad to have had the opportunity to get around to these communities and I will absolutely be back again . . . because there’s a lot more conversations to be had.”

meeting
Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 27, 2024 12:31 pm

I must read this book.

This week on The Dr. Ardis Show, Dr. Bryan Ardis is joined by a very special guest—his daughter, Sierra. Together, they explore the powerful themes from the book Outwitting the Devil by Napoleon Hill. This book, written in the early 1900s, takes the form of an interview between Napoleon Hill and Satan, revealing the ways in which the devil influences our lives, minds, and even our health.
In this episode, Dr. Ardis and Sierra dive deep into how the devil uses food to control our health, decisions, and overall well-being. Sierra, having recently read the book, shares her insights on how its themes are eerily relevant today, particularly in how the devil manipulates our beliefs about food and nutrition to gain control over us. Dr. Ardis highlights how food plays a critical role in our physical, mental, and spiritual health, and how Satan’s tactics to exploit this can affect every aspect of our lives.
As Sierra and Dr. Ardis discuss, Outwitting the Devil touches on broader issues like identity, self-control, and personal health, all of which are being challenged in modern society. Through this candid father-daughter conversation, you’ll gain fresh insights into how food, and the beliefs we hold about it, are used as tools of manipulation and control—and how we can break free from these destructive patterns.

The Dr. Ardis Show | How the Devil Uses Food to Control Us | Episode 09.25.2024

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 27, 2024 12:38 pm

About to consume two Avocados. After that it will be ham on toast.

Barry
Barry
September 27, 2024 12:44 pm

If you plan on battle you have to be prepared to destroy your adversary completely. Kill them all, destroy their line and salt the earth. Anything less and you end up fighting the same battle in a generations time. We’re still fighting the Crusades for this very reason.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 27, 2024 12:48 pm

Laughing my box off.

His acting saved his life

calli
calli
September 27, 2024 1:05 pm

On saying goodbye to dergs, here’s some wisdom. Hopefully the link works.

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AnotherRanga
AnotherRanga
September 27, 2024 1:07 pm

Hello everyone.

Please allow myself to introduce…..myself ?

Long time lurker, former occasional poster on Sinc’s under a different nom de plume, I have finally figured out the new and improved blog.

Full disclosure, I once up ticked JC and took Cassie of Sydney’s advice and became a subscriber to The Australian.

I spent 19 years living in England and have also spent time in Hong Kong, USA, New Zealand. I don’t follow a particular political philosophy, but would be branded far right or a red neck by the msn.

Military service wise I am a former Royal Marine (PO41973D) and also spent time in the Australian Army (329979). These experiences colour my opinions somewhat but I definitely do not live in the past.

My position on Gaza/Lebanon is quite simple. Follow the Sidious doctrine. Wipe them out, all of them. (Hopefully I don’t have to clarify which side on that.)

Russia/Ukraine? Stop the killing. I don’t much care who is right or wrong, but the families on both sides are losing loved ones every day. Let Putin and The Comedian fight it out in a ring.

Dogs? Love em.

Pineapple on Pizza? JUST DON’T!

Thanks for reading.

calli
calli
September 27, 2024 1:07 pm

I still snarl at people and want to bite them, so I’ll probably live to be 100.

Pogria
Pogria
September 27, 2024 1:22 pm

Michael Smith is sharing the Joy.
Out-bloody-standing!!!

https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2024/09/cheerio.html#comments

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 27, 2024 1:27 pm

‘War has rules. Even when confronting terrorists’, Wong tells U.N

theaustralian.com.au09:28

Foreign Affairs Minister Penny Wong has continued to sharpen her language on Israel, saying “war has rules … even when confronting terrorists”.
In an address to the UN Security Council, Senator Wong also called for “greater permanent and non-permanent representation for Africa, Latin America, the Caribbean, and the Asia-Pacific” and spruiked Australia’s bid for a non-permanent seat in 2029-30.
“The world agreed to international humanitarian law to limit suffering in conflict,” she said.
“War has rules. Even when confronting terrorists. Even when defending borders.
“Civilians need to be protected. But in conflicts around the world, this is not happening.
“Nearly a year ago, Hamas killed 1,200 Israelis – the worst loss of Jewish life in a single day since the Holocaust – and Hamas terrorists continue to hold hostages.
“In Israel’s response, over 40,000 Palestinians have been killed.
“More than 11,000 children.
“And more than 300 aid workers since this war began. Gaza is the deadliest place on earth to be an aid worker.”

I’m sure the Israeli Defence Force will be so grateful for the words of wisdom.

Vicki
Vicki
September 27, 2024 1:28 pm

Through this candid father-daughter conversation, you’ll gain fresh insights into how food, and the beliefs we hold about it, are used as tools of manipulation and control—and how we can break free from these destructive pattern

I am still out to lunch (pardon the pun!) on the implication of government and other sinister forces (aka Big Pharma) on the planning of our actual destruction.

BUT – and it is a big “but” – the Covid years convinced us to completely change our diet. Unvaccinated or not, it seemed like a good opportunity to “get healthy”. So – I revamped our diet – cut out biscuits and the folksy (but unwise) farm cakes, restricted the carbs, and ensured we had fish (kept in freezer) at least twice a week. Every morning we have a blender concoction of water/blueberries/green apples/carrots & celery. Then out come the vitamens so derided by the medical profession – VitC, VitD3, Magnesium, Coq10, Zinc, and a bifidobacterium longus probiotic (Meta Align). And for good measure, we add a low dose aspirin (Cartia).

Our cholesterol has dropped dramatically – not that I take the cholesterol stuff that seriously – but it is instructive to note the influence of diet.

As for the other half of the equation – exercise – well folks, husband and I get PLENTY of that on the farm. Even so, I have persuaded a reluctant husband to accompany me on at least half of my roughly 3km walk around the farm on most mornings. I still believe that the humble rambling walk is one of the best cardio assistance measures you can adopt.

I don’t reject all that the medical brotherhood propagate. Indeed, I regularly scan the latest research on topics of interest – with the full knowledge that much is funded by Big Pharma and some of it is manufactured.Nonetheless, I am impressed with the latest belief in the interaction of the gut/brain/nervous system axis, for example, particularly for post viral symptoms. Hence the probiotic. And the one I use is specifically chosen.

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Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 27, 2024 1:39 pm

Vicki
September 27, 2024 1:28 pm

I walk 5 km a day and pig out on veggies and fruit. I’ve cut back on meat consumption … with that said, I’ve got a giant T-bone for tonight. It’s currently being infused with 6 garlic cloves.

True story.

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Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 27, 2024 1:39 pm

calli
 September 27, 2024 1:05 pm

On saying goodbye to dergs, here’s some wisdom. 

We just gave one of ours the big blue a couple of weeks ago.
Poor little bugger had a seizure and the vets said he wasn’t going to last long, so make it quick please.
He was nearly 16 and we got him as a rescue aged 5.
And he knew he had hit the jackpot.
As did we.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 27, 2024 1:44 pm
shatterzzz
September 27, 2024 1:48 pm

“War has rules. Even when confronting terrorists. 

Who, except plenty wrong, knew that? .. The only “rule” involving terrorists is kill ’em, kill ’em all ……….!

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Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 27, 2024 1:53 pm
JC
JC
September 27, 2024 2:04 pm

Who armed and funded jihadis in Afghanistan, Bosnia, the Caucasus, Syria, Libya, etc.? Their postal address is Langely, Virginia.

Let’s take Afghanistan where the Reagan administration armed mujihadeen forces countering the Soviet puppet regime. Pity, at the time, the Americans didn’t have a time machine to figure what would occur 20 years plus later. And in any event, not all mujihadeen were fierce islamists.

The Soviets first destabilized Afghanistan by running a coup and installing a communist puppet regime. Perhaps the address is the Kremlin.

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Rosie
Rosie
September 27, 2024 2:07 pm

Ran from the south, thought they’d have a parade.
Oops.
https://x.com/hahussain/status/1839456331985829941?t=-iRoEBRvf2-TWgDNKkIR1A&s=19

Crossie
Crossie
September 27, 2024 2:09 pm

‘War has rules. Even when confronting terrorists’, Wong tells U.N

Terrorists obviously don’t follow any rules yet Senator Wong is still taking their side and making excuses for them. She has obviously never heard of the proverb that when you are kind to the cruel you are cruel to the kind.

Rosie
Rosie
September 27, 2024 2:10 pm

Anyone that speaks out against hamas in Gaza gets slaughtered.
At least Lebanon isnt quite there yet.
https://x.com/Osint613/status/1839391409016607216?t=ISGa5MPOBr-VV_HDUaEz1A&s=19

Rosie
Rosie
September 27, 2024 2:16 pm
Indolent
Indolent
September 27, 2024 2:25 pm

Quite extraordinary how often he’s proven right.

@Breaking911

TRUMP ON NYC MAYOR ERIC ADAMS: “I watched about a year ago when he talked about how the illegal migrants are hurting our city…and I said, ‘you know what, he’ll be indicted within a year.’ And I was exactly right.”

“That’s what they do. These are dirty players.”

Kneel
Kneel
September 27, 2024 2:27 pm

‘War has rules. Even when confronting terrorists’, Wong tells U.N

An enemy that deliberately and with intent disobeys those very rules in order to cause maximum impact upon the other side deserves no mercy.
Gazans are lucky the place isn’t glass with a green glow.

Indolent
Indolent
September 27, 2024 2:31 pm

Now we know why they choose now to go after Eric Adams. Not that he probably isn’t guilty of what he’s been accused of, just that guilt was never a problem for the left, so long as they remained completely loyal.
Andrew Cuomo Wants to Be Mayor of New York City

Indolent
Indolent
September 27, 2024 2:32 pm
Indolent
Indolent
September 27, 2024 2:41 pm

@TrumpDailyPosts

First Lady Melania Trump on the election: “How I see it is, the records speak for themselves. The country is suffering. People are not able to buy usual necessities for their families. We have wars going on around the world. Soldiers are dying… The border is open and dangerous — a lot of fentanyl is coming over, killing our youth… If we compare the four years under this administration, compared to the four years under my husband as Commander-In-Chief, he was leading this country through peace through strength.”

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 27, 2024 2:41 pm

At Helsinki Airport with a couple of hours to kill, I spot a ‘FIZZA’ pizza vending machine.

Why not?

Swipe card, €14 for a ‘Mexicana’, 3 minutes later the (fairly small) pizza emerges in its box.

Amazingly, although the base is a bit soft, it’s hot and not disgusting.

Titus Groates
Titus Groates
September 27, 2024 2:42 pm

War has rules, says Senator Wong. Even with terrorists.

I know about rules of law and Just War Theory. But how do you fight villians who don’t subscribe to either?

There is another way. The Chicago way:-

https://youtu.be/xPZ6eaL3S2E?si=sN4-rMvfamh1D1zU

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 27, 2024 2:45 pm

Some of the best memories of my life occured around that pool. I understand why Wilson Tuckey drained the pool,. We hit that joint with gusto. All ten of us.

If anyone was to crack their head or drown, it would have been a legal nightmare.

Some of my last memories of Carnarvon is the Port Hotel.

Indolent
Indolent
September 27, 2024 2:46 pm

@julie_kelly2

DOJ now applying a rarely used Civil War era statute against J6ers after SCOTUS reversed obstruction felony.

This charge—like 1512(c)(2)—violates the intent and language and history of the law.

But Garland/Monaco/Graves DGAF

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 27, 2024 2:47 pm

Mona’s ‘Ladies Lounge’ wins court battle to exclude men from art-filled spaceBy Gabriella CoslovichSeptember 27, 2024 — 10.10am

Listen to this article
3 min
The controversial Ladies Lounge at Tasmania’s Museum of Old and New Art will be permitted to reopen and continue to refuse entry to men following a decision by the state’s Supreme Court that found it was not in breach of anti-discrimination law.
On Friday morning, Acting Justice Shane Marshall overturned an April decision by the Tasmanian Civil and Administrative Tribunal, which had found the Ladies Lounge in breach of Tasmania’s Anti-Discrimination Act 1998.

Indolent
Indolent
September 27, 2024 2:49 pm
1735099
1735099
September 27, 2024 2:56 pm

Boambee John @ 11.02am

I’ve had direct experience with that committee. They are reasonable if you are.
They are very firm on preventing any disruption to the lives of veterans. 

Is it reasonable to demand that prior to interview the researcher must ask the participant if he has a diagnosis of PTSD, and if the answer is in the affirmative, then the veteran’s counsellor must sit in on the interview?

That was where we parted company.

In my view (and that of my supervisor) it wasn’t, and I wasn’t prepared to budge on that. Asking a veteran if he has a diagnosis is a breach of privacy, and unacceptable.

The university designed a process which preserved both he dignity and the privacy of the participants.

DVA apparently has not heard of post-traumatic growth.

This phenomena was a feature of the lives of most interviewed.

Hence the title – A Sweet Use of Adversity. (William Shakespeare, As you Like It).

Full extract –
Sweet are the uses of adversity,Which, like the toad, ugly and venomous,Wears yet a precious jewel in his head;And this our life, exempt from public haunt,Find tongues in trees, books in the running brooks,Sermons in stones, and good in everything.
I am particularly fond of the last line, especially as it applies to this site.

Indolent
Indolent
September 27, 2024 2:57 pm

Labor’s misinformation bill is ‘bonkers’

and finally the Coalition is taking a firm stand – This Bill belongs in the Bin”

‘Rotten to the core’: Labor’s ‘terrible’ misinformation bill slammed

JC
JC
September 27, 2024 3:00 pm

They couldn’t be so stupid as to not think of the consequences of their current policy. What did they believe would happen if they were successful?

Why? First off, the real fight at the time was the Soviet Union. Secondly, there wasn’t a threat from militant Islam then and wasn’t even talked about. Lastly, the Americans were arming the same groups they armed at the start of the Afghan war.

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Mak Siccar
Mak Siccar
September 27, 2024 3:08 pm

For Sydney Cats and Kittens. Apology if already posted/alerted.

Nation First by George Christensen is a reader-supported publication defending our sovereignty and democratic, free way of life.

Rally to Save Free Speech
Nation First calls on Australians to stand up, fight back, and defend their right to free speech.
SEP 27

Tomorrow, I will be speaking at a major rally in Sydney, being held in protest against the Albanese Labor Government’s so-called Combatting Misinformation & Disinformation Bill.

If you’re in Sydney or you can get to Sydney tomorrow, then I hope you will attend.

But if you can’t, fear not!

As subscribers to Nation First, I’m giving you a sneak peek of the backbone of the speech I will deliver at the rally tomorrow:

  • The government wants to control what you say, think, and believe through the so-called Combatting Misinformation and Disinformation Bill.
  • They rushed the bill into Parliament without debate, hoping you wouldn’t notice, just like they did with the Digital ID Bill.
  • This bill will let the government decide what’s true, but you and I know that’s authoritarianism, and we cannot allow it to pass.
  • You have three days to go to http://www.savefreespeech.com.au and flood the Senate with submissions to stop this dangerous bill.
  • If we act together, we can protect free speech and stop this power grab. We will not be silenced.
calli
calli
September 27, 2024 3:20 pm

“War has rules. Even when confronting terrorists.

Try picturing a kidnapped Wong thumbing through the Rule Book while she awaits rescue.

No, I can’t either.

Gabor
Gabor
September 27, 2024 3:28 pm

Pogria
September 27, 2024 8:31 am

Harking back to a post I made on the previous page, China is so great at building and engineering, it is a total surprise that the Sub sank. Lol!

I think we will never learn the real reason for the mishap, but it reminds me of the sinking of a German sub due to toilet malfunction. (know it all officer not following complex procedures)

The Germans were a slight better engineers than the Chinese, BTW.

In short, someone screwed up.

Wally Dali
Wally Dali
September 27, 2024 3:51 pm

Makkah
*We* don’t preach for the massacre of the innocents.
That’s what makes us better than them.

JC
JC
September 27, 2024 3:57 pm

Firstly, that just proves my point that militant Islam is a recent manifestation distinguishable from political Islam as it existed prior to the post-WW2 period.

I’m not arguing that. Islam has had its ups and downs over the centuries. But let’s be real—before oil turned Saudi Arabia into a cash cow, nobody cared about the Middle East. It was like the universe’s least interesting side quest, barely worth colonizing!

Secondly, the US deferring the possibility of an ascendent militant Islam emerging doesn’t absolve them of a role in its emergence whether or not they factored the Soviets as the more immediate threat.

Alright, let’s not go off on a tangent here. The U.S. backed people like Massoud’s dad—a pro-American warlord. His son, Massoud, was taken out by a suicide bomber right at the start of the Afghan war. It was these groups that the Reagan Administration supported.

But who really kicked off the chaos in Afghanistan? The Soviets, of course, by staging a coup and trying to set up a puppet regime. They left with their tails between their legs.
And for the ‘Jihadists doing Jihadist things’ file: The U.S. Navy was basically born because of jihadi pirates along the North African coast. Americans got tired of their ships being hijacked, so they pooled some cash to build a navy just to go wipe those guys out. Turns out, it worked! It was even called a jihad against infidels—guess the tables turned on that one too.

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JC
JC
September 27, 2024 4:04 pm

And the Sovs were always screwing around in the MidEast and causing chaos. So Dover, don’t go blaming just the Americans for an unstable MidEast. The disgusting Sovs were in it up to their necks.

Kneel
Kneel
September 27, 2024 4:10 pm

“It was even called a jihad against infidels…”

Well, there’s your problem!
Should have called it a Crusade against heathens.

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Boambee John
Boambee John
September 27, 2024 4:12 pm

Re Numbers at 1456.

Did you challenge that decision to the senior staff processes of DVA, then go to the AAT, and the Federal Court, as others are required to do if they don’t accept administrative decisions? Or are you so arrogant as to reject the constraints of administrative law?

Still, the good news is that the university (Which one?) will be beside you should you be challenged. You might even be able to leech off their lawyers.

Normal citizens are required to go through this process, why should you be exempt?

PS, I suspect that DVA could have found a work around, had you asked.

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JC
JC
September 27, 2024 4:20 pm

Amazing that people believe the Chinese nuclear sub sinking in Wuhan story based on nothing more than anon sources and ambiguous satellite photos.

Should we apply the same standard to your stories?

It’s hundreds of kms from the coast, in a river that presents serious problems for a nuclear attack sub, away from the necessary naval facilities, etc.

There’s a ship building operation there, so why wouldn’t they build the sub in that dock? You’re just making it up as you go along now.

The sub was built by China State Shipbuilding Corp., a state-owned company, and was observed alongside a pier on the Yangtze River in late May when it was undergoing its final equipping before going to sea.

Makka
Makka
September 27, 2024 4:22 pm

*We* don’t preach for the massacre of the innocents.

That’s what makes us better than them.

As long as these barbarians use human shields and commit atrocities like Oct 7, there will be civilians killed. EVERYONE knows this especially the barbarians and the
“civilians” who support them. You advocate for lofty ideals because you are ignorant ,projecting your values onto moslems. A very big mistake. They see you as a fool Wally, weak. easily exploited. Too stupid and naive to understand the conflict underway. There will be no consolation in being better when you’re living under sharia. Or when leftards cave to moslem votes and outlaw freedom of speech.

Vicki
Vicki
September 27, 2024 4:27 pm

I think time has almost run out to forward a submission in respect to the appalling amended legislation proposed to limit and adjudicate free speech on social media, such as this website.

A couple of Cats asked for suggestions regarding submissions. For what it is worth (probably not much), here is my previous submission which I have resubmitted because it still covers my objections:

SUBMISSION to AUSTRALIAN COMMUNICATIONS & MEDIA AUTHORITY

It took centuries for the citizens of ancient Athens to struggle to obtain the freedom and right to debate policies and decisions in the public square. Those debates were held to the torch of credibility and evidence which all could wield. In the millenia which followed somehow that spirit of inquiry and reason prevailed, despite attacks from autocrats and those who wielded inherited or acquired wealth.

The spread of universal literacy and the printing press increased the power of the written word and deepened the strength of the freedom that education brought to the wider community. The extent of access to information today, via the internet, is unparalleled in human history. But so, too, is the capacity of the citizen to critique that information. In much of the world – but particularly in western societies – extended education and literacy is available to all.

It is therefore inexplicable that a modern, progressive government could propose legislation that presupposes that its citizens are incapable of distinguishing false from plausible information. It is axiomatic that the platform of our entire system of education is the ability to distinguish fact from fiction.

But the further intervention of a government agency in the determination of correct data violates the very principle of the millennia of struggle for individual freedom of thought and decision making. To go down that road is to risk shattering the belief that the individual, and his or her understanding matters.

No government should ever contemplate that road. It is a road that may take us all into a place we would never choose to go.

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bons
bons
September 27, 2024 4:32 pm

If only the bitich’s family had simply continued exploiting the people of Sabah rather than ‘settling’ here.

Oh how I pine for the days of the Slapper!

JC
JC
September 27, 2024 4:33 pm

And these groups were jihadis.

Jeez louise, Massoud’s dad and then the son were anti-Soviet and subsequently the son was anti-Taliban. So much for your jihadi nonsense. Hated the Soviets and hated the Taliban.

“Just pirates” were supported by the leadership in the countries supporting the jihad at sea. They would take the ships and then sell the crew into slavery.

They weren’t just “pirates” but actively sponsored by their kings. The Moroccan pos was informed that if he didn’t stop it, he would be hanged in the square.

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Arky
September 27, 2024 4:36 pm

Both the Soviets and US were doing this. The Cold War is just them both manipulating various nations in their sphere of influence.

The US was just like the Soviets. Both just “manipulating various nations”.

On 14 June 1941, the Soviet Union forcibly deported over 10,000 people from Estonia to Siberia – over 7,000 were women, children, and elderly people; the date is now observed as a day of mourning.*

In the summer of 1940, the Soviet Union occupied Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania as a result of the infamous Molotov-Ribbentrop Pactsigned between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union on 23 August 1939. As a result of the Second World War, Estonia lost about 17.5% of its population.

And:

In the first year of Soviet occupation, from June 1940 to June 1941, the number confirmed executed, conscripted, or deported is estimated at a minimum of 124,467: 59,732 in Estonia, 34,250 in Latvia, and 30,485 in Lithuania.

JC
JC
September 27, 2024 4:41 pm

Projection there, you don’t build nuclear subs in just any naval facility. And all the major naval bases are on the coast.

Oh, what limitations are there in a deep water river and where naval ship building occurs?

Also, look, at photo, a sub, let alone a nuclear sub is not unequivocally visible.

It sunk, which means it’s under fcking water!

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Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 27, 2024 4:49 pm

“Andrei… you’ve lost another submarine?”

Ok, maybe that wouldn’t work quite as well if the ambassador was Won Hung Lo.

Eyrie
Eyrie
September 27, 2024 4:54 pm

Sinking a nuclear sub at the dock is embarrassing (if it happened) but no more so than losing a docked helo/assault ship due to fire while undergoing maintenance.
Keep dissing Chinese engineering. IIRC they have 3 rovers on the Moon right now, still operating and have successfully landed stuff on Mars.

Wally Dali
Wally Dali
September 27, 2024 5:09 pm

Mekka, you’re laying it on a bit thick.
I am careful to pull up short of wishing that collatoral damage be visited upon innocents.
Your routine is what gets the mullahs erect.

Indolent
Indolent
September 27, 2024 5:23 pm

@PeymanAskari451

“Hunter Biden is like Forest Gump of the CIA world. A low IQ guy who happens to be running through every important event in CIA history”

@MikeBenzCyber goes through @JoeBiden’s full involvement with the CIA, going back 30 years

Top Ender
Top Ender
September 27, 2024 5:29 pm

Might interest a few musical Cats:

No sex, no drugs and definitely no Sid Vicious

NIGEL FARNDALE

‘I believe they are a popular beat combo, m’lud.” That, supposedly, was the answer given by a barrister towards the end of the Swinging ’60s when a British judge asked in court: “Who are the Beatles?”

The exchange seems improbable now, but that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen then. And if it did, I can guess the reason. Around that time there was a famous advertising campaign with the slogan “Top people take The Times. Do you?”. Those top people will have included members of the judiciary.

And who might those top people have expected to read about when they opened their paper of choice? In the obituaries section it would have been the great and the good: archbishops, captains of industry and ambassadors, several thousand words on each. And war heroes, of course.

Figures from high culture would be covered too, but when it came to music this would mean opera sopranos, classical composers and conductors. The low culture of rock and pop? Not so much. When Buddy Holly died in a plane crash in 1959, he didn’t merit an obit in The Times. Buddy. Holly.

By the late 1960s pop stars were starting to get Times obituaries, but almost begrudgingly, in a perfunctory and formal way. Mr Brian Jones, as he was styled, got a modest and dry 500 words in 1969, even though the news that the Rolling Stones founder and guitarist had been found dead in a swimming pool was making front pages round the world.

By contrast, when Charlie Watts, the Stones’ drummer, died in much less dramatic fashion in 2021, I, as the obits editor of The Times, allotted him 3000 words. I also thought we could probably, on balance, get away with dropping the “Mr”.

What was behind this cultural change of heart? Well, The Times has always taken seriously its role as “the newspaper of public record”, and back then it took the role very seriously indeed – so seriously it didn’t introduce bylines for writers until the mid-1960s, and certainly didn’t include anything as frivolous as a colour supplement full of lifestyle features, diet tips and celebrity interviews.

It was the broadsheet of the establishment, and the establishment wore suits and listened to classical music. They didn’t wear kaftans and listen to pop. You can get a sense of these “two cultures” when you watch footage of the Beatles’ rooftop concert in 1969. That beat combo are up there with their long hair, flares and Afghan coats while down in the streets below, looking up in bemusement, are the top people, the City types with their bowler hats and furled umbrellas.

Not everyone, it seems, got the memo about the youth-driven cultural revolution that was the Swinging ’60s. Another illustration: Sgt Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band may have been the biggest-selling album of 1967, but it wasn’t the biggest of the decade. That would be – yes, you haven’t guessed it – The Sound of Music.

The tone of the obits was quite stuffy and obfusc back then, too, and this continued into the next decade. Consider the way the 1977 obit for Mr Elvis Presley earnestly notes the “negro” roots of his style of rock’n’roll, or the way the obit for Mr Keith Moon in 1978 requires quote marks around “The Who”, then as now one of the most famous bands in the world.

Also then as now, Times obituaries were unsigned, but if you had to guess who wrote Mr John ­Lennon’s from 1980, you might say it was the paper’s classical music critic, such is its lofty, slightly patronising tone. It makes no mention of bed-ins, LSD or Imagine, but it does include the sizzling line, “the Cavern Club in Liverpool, one of the foci of the new Merseyside sound”.

Private lives tend not to be mentioned either, just careers. The obit for Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys, who died in 1983, is fascinating for what it doesn’t say. He was one of the most colourful figures in pop history, yet there is no mention of the mysteries surrounding his death, nor his heroin addiction and epic sexual promiscuity. The $US100,000 he donated to the Charles Manson “family”? Not a whisper. His obit doesn’t even acknowledge that he was the only member of the Beach Boys who surfed.

These drier, shorter early obits, then, are portals to a bygone age, a reminder that the past is another country. I’ve included a handful of them in a new collection to demonstrate what I mean: Mr Jim Morrison and Miss Janis Joplin feature, for example, as well as another member of the infamous “27 Club”, Mr Jimi Hendrix. No mention is made of his assiduous drug taking or his performance at Woodstock, but rather sweetly the obit does note that his music was “awesomely loud”.

By the time Kurt Cobain and Amy Winehouse joined that club of pop stars who died at the tender age of 27, not only had the titles been dropped, but the obits were getting a bit longer and more in depth, covering the sex and drugs as well as the rock’n’roll.

Yet even theirs aren’t the most dramatic stories of rock-star excess you will find in this new collection. Take Glen Campbell’s. He may have been a God-fearing country-and-western star, but his lifestyle was pure destructive, pagan rock god. His addictions to cocaine, bourbon and wild women, indeed, rivalled the feral appetites of the most hedonistic rock’n’roller.

In a strong field, though, it is Ginger Baker, the drummer of Cream, who was the maddest, baddest and most dangerous rock star to know. He had feuds with everyone and would use violence as a first resort, thinking nothing of breaking a nose or pulling a knife on a bandmate. Eric Clapton professed to be properly scared of him.

Against all the odds, and despite his epic, lifelong consumption of class A drugs, Baker lived to the ripe old age of 80. Even he seemed surprised by this.

Nowadays, obituaries of rock and pop stars are more like long-form features: writerly, full of lively anecdotes, wry. And we hear the subject’s voice through quotation. I was tempted to expand some of the older pop obits not styled in this way, such as that for Freddie Mercury, but I’ve kept them as written at the time on the grounds that they intrigue more as undisturbed time capsules, as first drafts of history.

Inevitably, perhaps, we on the obits desk have come to think of those rock stars who did manage to survive the excesses of the ’60s. and ’70s. as “the new few”. This, after all, is a profession where, as “The Who” memorably put it, people hoped to die before they got old. Alongside the drug overdoses, causes of death listed in the collection include suicides, murders and car crashes.

But all too often it is something more commonplace. David Bowie choreographed his departure beautifully, releasing his final single and video, Lazarus, as a moving self-epitaph on his 69th birthday in 2016. It was extraordinarily artful, and in complete contrast to the cause of his death two days later, which could scarcely have been more ordinary: cancer.

Traditionally, obituaries for stars of his stature would always be run in print the next day, but now there is an additional need for speed: digital. The Times obit for Charlie Watts appeared online within minutes of his death being announced one afternoon.

We know such obits are popular with our readers because, owing to the latest technology, we can see how long they are spending with each story. Obituaries that appear online quickly have a long “dwell” time because sometimes the thing you most want to read when someone famous dies is a short biography with a satisfying beginning, middle and end.

Print still matters. News of Olivia Newton-John’s demise in 2022 was less kind in terms of timing because it broke at 8pm and our print deadline meant her two pages would have to be designed and “revise subbed’‘ by 9pm – but we managed thanks to one of the worst-kept secrets in journalism, namely that we on the obits desk spend a lot of our working day prepping the “household names” in advance. They are called stocks, as in stockpile, and we usually have about 3500 of them in a fairly up-to-date state.

Who we prepare in advance often has more to do with fame than age or ill-health. Big names such as Elton John, Rod Stewart and Keith Richards are all teed up, for example. And Mick Jagger, of course. Incidentally, he once asked to see his. (Hello? Control freak.) We declined to show him and he accepted our reasoning with good grace. Paul McCartney’s was first prepared for The Times in 1967 by none other than Hunter Davies when he was spending a year with the Beatles writing their authorised biography. His obit for McCartney then was the standard 500 words. The latest iteration, written by our chief music obits writer, Nigel Williamson, is 3000 words long.

Williamson, an author, music critic and interviewer of pop stars, has been doing this job for quite a few years now and recalls that Ian Brunskill, one of my predecessors as obits editor, was “the ultimate ambulance chaser. A celeb only had to sneeze and Ian commissioned a stock. His best line was ‘I saw Lou Reed on The Old Grey Whistle Test at the weekend. He looked a bit peaky. You’d better do him’. To which I replied: ‘Lou Reed has been looking peaky since 1966 when he was only 24. It’s called heroin’?”.

Inevitably, there wasn’t room for all the fallen rock and pop stars from the past six decades, but I’ve tried to include a good mix of male and female, British and American, black and white. I’ve also gone for a cross-section of genres, from rock’n’roll, psychedelic, prog, glam and heavy metal, to disco, punk, C&W, new romantic, ska and grunge.

One omission you may notice is Sid Vicious, the Sex Pistols bassist and singer, who died of a heroin overdose at 21 in 1977 after allegedly murdering his girlfriend, Nancy Spungen.

That’s because this legend of popular culture was not deemed suitable for an obit back then. But times change, and The Times changes with them. Nowadays he would be a double-page spread.

The Times

Lives Behind the Music: Era-Defining Obituaries of Rock and Pop Icons, edited by Nigel Farndale. (HarperCollins ebook, $16.99. Printed edition, January 2025).

Indolent
Indolent
September 27, 2024 5:47 pm
cohenite
September 27, 2024 5:51 pm

Great comment directed at the anti-semites currently criticising Israel;

One of the virtues of Israel’s exquisitely targeted attack against Hezbollah terrorists is that it’s finally revealed the truth for all to see: 
The people who have spent the last months crying about Israel killing civilians cared nothing about the civilians.
 
What made them angry was that Israel was defeating Hamas, an Iranian proxy, so an enemy of both Israel and America.
 
We know this because the same people, rather than congratulating Israel for a targeted attack the likes of which no one has ever seen, are now angry at Israel for killing enemy soldiers, even as they’re completely silent about Hezbollah’s most recent massive rocket barrage against Israeli civilians.

Aside from being a stunning military victory, what was also useful about Israel’s attack was that it stripped away the mask of those across the West, in the UN, in national governments, and in the Labour politicians party, who’ve been insisting that Israel must surrender to Gaza immediately because the war has caused civilian deaths in Gaza.

The fact that the ratio of civilian to military deaths was extraordinarily low for urban warfare was irrelevant to them, as was the fact that Israel dropped leaflets warning people to leave areas (losing the element of surprise) and physically evacuated and fed enemy civilians.
 
For the Muslims and Leftists—all of whom hate the Jews—it was never enough.

But for the Israel haters, it wasn’t enough. It quickly became clear after Operation Gelding that the problem wasn’t dead civilians; it was a victorious Israel:

‘Moral cowardice’: Labor joins call for 21-day ceasefire on Israel-Lebanon border (msn.com)

bons
bons
September 27, 2024 5:54 pm

Oh, how I pine for the halcyon days of the Slapper!

H B Bear
H B Bear
September 27, 2024 5:57 pm

Nikki Savva gets mauled by Teh Media Watchdog this week. Always reminds me when Waffleworth exhumed Mr Savva and that quote about anybody have Jana Wendt’s fax number?

calli
calli
September 27, 2024 6:11 pm

Penny Wong does not represent me.

That quizling beast represents the Greens, far left Labor and imagines she represents the duplicitous Moslem agitators in Sydney’s west and southwest. The ones who are plotting her party’s overthrow.

The fool.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 27, 2024 6:22 pm

Inevitably (the Hun):

A woman who exploited the courts by faking she was Aboriginal to get bail is again in trouble with the law.

Hayley Terei is on the run from police, who have gone public with their hunt for the accused criminal.

And:

The mother-of-four submitted an affidavit to the Supreme Court of Victoria stating she was an Aboriginal woman of the Yorta Yorta nation and that her cultural heritage had been “whitewashed” by her father following her Aboriginal mother’s death when she was three.

Prosecutors opposed bail, arguing Terei was an unacceptable risk to the community amid concerns she knew the location of stolen firearms and could access them.

Uh huh. Also:

However Justice Rita Incerti freed the woman, citing new bail laws which require members of the judiciary to ensure “incarceration rates of Aboriginal peoples are not further compounded unless there is good reason”.

In a remarkable twist, a police officer unconvinced of Terei’s supposed indigenous heritage started looking into her background and calls she made while in prison.

They revealed Terei’s mother was not Aboriginal and is alive, living in New Zealand.

And then:

Her “blatant” deceptions were exposed in court, where it was foreshadowed that Terei may face a charge of perverting the course of justice, which carries a 25-year maximum jail term.

It is at this stage unknown who signed off her affidavit of Aboriginality.

“Warrants have been issued for the arrest of the 33-year-old in relation to a burglary where firearms were stolen,” a police statement read.

Mmm.

Haley Terei was initially granted bail in May and June on eight charges related to a high-end burglary in which seven firearms, ammunition, $470,000 cash, gold nuggets and other valuables were stolen from a Hastings home in December.

Over $500K stolen, and not recovered. A flight risk on any proper analysis – but no, because blek.

The actual owner of that property – nah. Doesn’t matter, as feelz must be delivered publicly. Any prospect of getting the stuff back, let alone any satisfactory judicial outcome, is a distant second cousin to rampant handpattery.

calli
calli
September 27, 2024 6:30 pm

Just watching Greg Barton from Deakin Uni being sought for an opinion on Israel.

Another cookie cutter academic, some old take on the terrible situation in Israel. Oh no, not Israel, all Israel’s lovely neighbours.

Bibi must give clarity to the UN on where this war is going and when it will end!

D*ckhead.

cohenite
September 27, 2024 6:34 pm

The future of the human race would be assured if this happened:

space-woman-ironing
Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
September 27, 2024 6:41 pm
calli
calli
September 27, 2024 6:43 pm

Since cohenite is posting domestic images…

IMG_2155
Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
September 27, 2024 6:54 pm

It is at this stage unknown who signed off her affidavit of Aboriginality.
Ugh. Once, we were a sensible country.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
September 27, 2024 6:55 pm

In a future like that you sure ain’t going to have human women doing ironing.

She/it isn’t actually ironing anything except the ironing board. Something wrong with the programming perhaps.

Arky
September 27, 2024 7:07 pm

She/it isn’t actually ironing anything except the ironing board.

Typical woman.
She probably burnt dinner too.

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Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 27, 2024 7:11 pm

Another song that takes me back to Carnarvon. Roller skating in the rink.

Good times.

Split Enz – Six Months In A Leaky Boat (Official Video)

calli
calli
September 27, 2024 7:14 pm

The iron isn’t plugged in either. The cord has melded with one of the board legs.

Perhaps don’t get AI to design stuff just yet. It seems to lack common sense.

johanna
johanna
September 27, 2024 7:20 pm

I see that Gerard’s Media Watch Dog hits Issue number 700 this week.

Well done, that man!

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
September 27, 2024 7:44 pm

Went to the local butcher earlier on the way home.

Perused various variants of snag. Went for Italian pork and roast seasoned chook.

Also – oh, my lord. I espied something called a Big Kahuna Burger. Larger than most.

Did not ask questions. ‘Six of those, please.’

Just curated two, via the barbie. A generous helping of cheese had been inserted somehow – and I don’t care how – smack in the middle.

In a food coma arrangement at present. As Julius Winfield would say in relation to the Big Kahuna:

‘Mmmm hmmm. That is a tasty burger.’

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
September 27, 2024 7:47 pm

Roller skating in the rink. Good times.

Ice skating at Canterbury rink…

Mi-Sex – Computer Games (1979)

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 27, 2024 7:54 pm

Faark they were good. Timeless music

Kiwi’s be proud.

Split Enz – I Hope I Never – Countdown – 1980 – Remastered Video

Muddy
Muddy
September 27, 2024 7:56 pm

I was reading an article in The Jewish Insider about H.R. McMaster’s comments on Israel when the page demanded my email address and wouldn’t let me read further.

What piqued my interest was McMaster’s statement about the need for Israel to impose costs on its enemies before expecting success in any negotiations. That’s a firm point: Compromise is rarely considered unless one wishes to limit increasing losses.

Roger
Roger
September 27, 2024 7:57 pm

Just watching Greg Barton from Deakin Uni being sought for an opinion on Israel.

Did whoever was questioning him push him to reveal his assumptions?

Does Israel have a right to exist?

Does it not then have a right to defend itself?

Who started the current conflagration?

Is Israel going about this war with the intention of protecting civilian lives as much as is possible, unlike its antagonists, who target civilians?

And so on…

Miltonf
Miltonf
September 27, 2024 8:00 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybYgP48X2DY

I think Rosie has sent me off on a bit of an Irish kick.

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
September 27, 2024 8:10 pm

The GayBC has a gloat at the expense of Cranbrook school:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-27/cranbrook-school-sydney-review-report-child-safety-apology/104406768

But it conveniently forgets about its mate Peter Roebuck, whom it eulogised as a devoted mentor who came to a sad end. Former Cranbrook students have talked about Roebuck’s creepy behaviour in the cricket nets, but I suppose they are just homophobic bigots.

Zippster
Zippster
September 27, 2024 8:11 pm

The Coming Global Depopulation | Nicholas Eberstadt | John Bonython Lecture

### Summary: In the lecture titled “The Coming Global Depopulation,” Nicholas Eberstadt discusses the imminent global trend of depopulation due to sharply declining birth rates, which could transform societal, economic, and geopolitical landscapes. He elaborates on how many regions around the world have already entered this phase, particularly in East Asia, Europe, and parts of Latin America and Africa. Eberstadt asserts that the paradigm shift from population growth to decline will have significant implications on workforce availability, aging populations, and international relations, challenging existing societal norms and governance structures. He concludes by emphasizing the need for adaptation strategies to manage these demographic changes while maintaining economic prosperity. ### Key Points by Section: #### **1. Introduction to Population Trends:** – Global fertility rates are decreasing, indicating that sub-replacement fertility levels are becoming more common. – Historical context is given through references to past population alarmism, which did not come to fruition. – The current focus is shifting towards imminent depopulation rather than population explosion. #### **2. Eberstadt’s Background:** – Nicholas Eberstadt is introduced as an expert demographer, affiliated with the American Enterprise Institute, with a history of contributions to prominent journals. – His lecture discusses the new era of depopulation that is silently emerging. #### **3. The Reality of Depopulation:** – Depopulation will be characterized by declining birth rates leading to aging societies. – There is no recent collective memory of global population decline, making it difficult to predict societal responses. – The last notable global depopulation occurred nearly 700 years ago, following the Black Death. #### **4. Statistical Evidence of Declining Birth Rates:** – Eberstadt presents data highlighting that in many regions, notably East and Southeast Asia, fertility rates fall well below replacement levels. – Countries like Japan, China, South Korea, and parts of Latin America are already experiencing significant declines. #### **5. Global Phenomenon of Sub-replacement Fertility:** – Sub-replacement fertility is spreading even to traditionally high-fertility regions like the Middle East. – Long-term projections suggest an increasing number of countries will face net mortality. #### **6. Causes of Falling Fertility Rates:** – Economic development is not the sole factor driving fertility decline; cultural changes and shifts in personal priorities play significant roles. – The desire for family structures and marriage is changing, with a trend towards individualism and convenience. #### **7. Consequences of Prolonged Depopulation:** – By 2050, a significant portion of the global population will live in areas with net mortality. – Aging populations will outnumber younger generations, leading to shifts in societal structures such as workforce demographics and pension systems. #### **8. Policy and Sociological Implications:** – Governments must adapt policies to manage economic and social challenges arising from shrinking and aging populations. – Necessity for investment in human capital and skills to drive economic growth despite declining demographics. #### **9. Geopolitical Considerations:** – The balance of global power will shift as regions experience different population growth rates. – Predicted geopolitical ramifications include shifts in military and economic power, particularly for nations facing demographic decline. #### **10. Optimism Amidst Challenges:** – Eberstadt expresses optimism that advancements in technology and human ingenuity can mitigate some challenges of depopulation. – Emphasizes the importance of maintaining a focus on economic growth and adapting to new demographic realities. #### **11. Audience Engagement:** – A Q&A section follows where critiques of the depopulation thesis are discussed, including views on immigration, economic impacts of different demographic trends, and the challenges in adjusting public expectations and policies accordingly. This summary and breakdown of key points provide a comprehensive view of the topics addressed by Nicholas Eberstadt in his lecture on global depopulation, showcasing his insights into current and future demographic trends and their far-reaching implications.

Arky
September 27, 2024 8:12 pm

Watching some stupid programs on the Teev for once.
Advertisements.
Watched about half a dozen.
No white people in any of them.
Apparently the advertising industry went from sickeningly assuming we were all racist pricks who didn’t like seeing any coloured folk at all and playing up to that, to assuming we are all racist pricks and it’s their sole mission to fix that via casting.
Basically they have always been arseholes, continue to be arseholes, and show no sign of ever moderating their arseholishness.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 27, 2024 8:14 pm

Bruce of Newcastle
September 27, 2024 7:47 pm

I remember skating to that, too. Mum and dad just dropped us of at the rollerrama and we were good for 5 to 6 hours. The staff at the joint treated us as their kids.

Another memory spark from speed skating.

Split Enz – I See Red (Official Video)

132andBush
132andBush
September 27, 2024 8:15 pm

“Nearly a year ago, Hamas killed 1,200 Israelis – the worst loss of Jewish life in a single day since the Holocaust – and Hamas terrorists continue to hold hostages.

The only relevant sentence in Mr Wong’s address.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 27, 2024 8:31 pm

Old Lefty at 8:10.

But it conveniently forgets about its mate Peter Roebuck, whom it eulogised as a devoted mentor who came to a sad end. Former Cranbrook students have talked about Roebuck’s creepy behaviour in the cricket nets, but I suppose they are just homophobic bigots.

I remember hearing the eulogies to Roebuck on ABC radio the day he entered the 60 ft guilty plea out of the hotel window in South Africa.
I knew nothing about his proclivities, but the very strange tortured language being used to describe him told me there was more to this.
They knew.

Muddy
Muddy
September 27, 2024 8:34 pm

Response to Bush (re the feral Wong) at 8:15 p.m. above:

Nope.
H@m@s didn’t ‘kill’ Israelis – they murdered them. They murdered, and in some cases raped, 800-odd unarmed civilians. Without provocation. They also filmed some of those murders, and distributed the films publicly, thus providing evidence of their actions. They continue to murder unarmed civilian hostages. This was an intricately planned mass murder.

The appropriate word is not ‘killed’ (as in ‘killed in a freak accident’), but murdered.

The insincerity of those using the almost-neutral ‘killed’ is intentional, sickening, and evidence of their moral cowardice and urge to validate primeval violence.

May the orc legions grind their bones to dust as soon as they turn their backs.

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Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
September 27, 2024 8:51 pm

The calls for a cease-fire might have a tiny scintilla of credibility if they had come weeks ago when Hez-ball-less were lobbing rockets into kids sporting grounds.

Muddy
Muddy
September 27, 2024 8:54 pm

I would go so far as to speculate that some of these enablers derive a voyeuristic rush from validating the mass murderers; male enablers experience envy, and female enablers experience sexual desire.

A bit extreme as far as speculation goes? Maybe. However human behaviour is motivated by both reward and fear. Think about that.

Muddy
Muddy
September 27, 2024 8:58 pm

Apology.
My 8:34 p.m. post could have been worded more carefully. It was not intended to imply that 132andBush was such an enabler. My apologies to Bush if that is the perception. (Yes, I did misread ‘relevant’ as ‘accurate’).

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Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 27, 2024 9:19 pm

Bruce of Newcastle
September 27, 2024 8:22 pm

I’ve ice skated once. Took me 10 minutes to figure it out. I thought I was cool until this young fandango whizzed passed me at about 60 kph. He put me in my place.

My thoughts at the time was let’s go roller skating smart arse. I was insanely quick,. My last session was at Cannington 1984. A hop skip and and a jump from Carousel shopping centre.

This song just jumped into my head. I remember lacing up my skates before taking to the rink.

Diana Ross – Chain Reaction (Official Video)

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
September 27, 2024 9:21 pm

I thought we had a plebiscite not too long ago junking this very brain-fart?
Work has begun on a New South Wales Indigenous treaty with the appointment of three commissioners.
The new commissioners will travel around the state on a yearlong listening tour.
Community consultations will begin in 2025 to see whether the Indigenous community wants a treaty and what it could look like.
Gee, I wonder.
I wonder what a listening tour of the tweenagers in my house would come up with if I asked them whether they wanted a credit card and what their spending limit could look like.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 27, 2024 9:28 pm

Things we learn. Barry Gibb wrote Chain Reaction.

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Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 27, 2024 9:38 pm
Zippster
Zippster
September 27, 2024 9:44 pm
Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 27, 2024 9:58 pm
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
September 27, 2024 10:10 pm

Foreign Minister Penny Wong has declared a timeline should be set for the international declaration of a Palestinian state and is pushing the UN Security Council to play a more significant role in advancing a two-state solution to break the “endless cycle of violence” gripping the Middle East.

Does Penny Wong ever wonder why nobody ever takes her seriously?

There’s been a Palestinian State since 1947 – it’s called “Jordan.”

The Palestinians have rejected five attempts at a “Two State” solution since the late 1930’s, while continuing to demand the total destruction of the State of Israel – what makes anyone think they are interested in such a solution today?

Cassie of Sydney
September 27, 2024 10:23 pm

The calls for a cease-fire might have a tiny scintilla of credibility if they had come weeks ago when Hez-ball-less were lobbing rockets into kids sporting grounds.

Quite so. I don’t know if anyone saw Sharri this week. She interviewed the grief stricken mother of a little girl killed by one of those rockets that was fired by Hezbollah into the Druze town in the Golan.

Further to the Druze, a people I’ve long been fascinated by, they practice a syncretic religion based on Judaism, Christianity and Islam. The Druze regard Jethro (Moses’ father-in-law) as a prophet.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 27, 2024 10:29 pm

Roseanne is care free. She doesn’t give a f*ck. I lover her to bits!

Alex Stein:

Roseanne Barr’s Plan To SAVE America | Ep 241

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
September 27, 2024 10:37 pm

James Macpherson:
Albanese and Wong are “weak-kneed” in the face of Islamic terrorism.
Nailed it. F*cking nailed it.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
September 27, 2024 10:44 pm

Reading through the UK media, it’s clear that the honeymoon is over for Gear Starmer.

Particularly amazingly, the Grauniad has taken a series of dumps on Starmer and his close colleagues. Sleaze, tax on beer and cigs, ‘we had no idea things were so bad’ policy on the hoof bollocks, stripping energy rebates from freezing pensioners.

Shaping up as an ocean going, Albanese Class far cup.

And now a dinner with Trump, where:

They were joined by Foreign Secretary David Lammy, who has previously called Trump a “racist” and a “neo-Nazi sympathising sociopath”.

…leading to an ‘endorsement’ of Starmer by the Donald:

“I actually think he’s very nice. He ran a great race, he did very well, it’s very early, he’s very popular.”

Notoriously, Trump has an elephant memory for previous slights and insults. It’s just possible he remembers Starmer in 2019, when Trump praised Boris Johnson:

Then, Sir Keir tweeted: “An endorsement from Donald Trump tells you everything you need to know about what is wrong with Boris Johnson’s politics and why he isn’t fit to be Prime Minister.”

It’s going to be a long 4.75 years for the Brits.

Indolent
Indolent
September 27, 2024 10:48 pm
Indolent
Indolent
September 27, 2024 10:52 pm
Indolent
Indolent
September 27, 2024 10:57 pm
Steve trickler
Steve trickler
September 28, 2024 12:43 am

Mark Dice put Alex Stein on the map.

Zippster
Zippster
September 28, 2024 6:17 am

“This Is Destroying America” – Corrupt Elites, Vaccine Lies, Putin & Fake News | Candace Owens

**Summary:** In the episode titled “This Is Destroying America,” Candace Owens discusses various societal issues, the role of government and elites, and fears over authoritarianism. She critiques the American government for promoting weakness and creating a culture of dependence, particularly regarding public health policy and the education system. Through her conversation with Tom Bilyeu, Owens emphasizes the importance of self-sufficiency, questioning established narratives, and finding truth amidst misinformation, especially concerning vaccines and healthcare. **Key Points:** 1. **Government Control:** – American government promotes weakness and dependence. – Comparison between American government actions and authoritarian regimes like Putin’s. – Suggests that powerful elites aim to consolidate control and stifle competition. 2. **The Role of Beliefs:** – Beliefs can help achieve honorable goals. – Encourages listeners to trust their instincts and question authority. – Argues that truth and effective beliefs provide utility and can help navigate a complex world. 3. **Societal Concerns:** – Criticism of societal norms eroding personal freedoms. – Discussion on the implications of current changes in society regarding gender and educational values. – Owens advocates for a return to traditional values amidst modern chaos. 4. **Advocating for Homeschooling:** – Discusses benefits of homeschooling in promoting freedom and academic excellence. – Critiques the public education system for failing to improve children’s learning outcomes. 5. **Preparedness:** – Emphasis on traditional survival skills and self-sufficiency. – Encourages people to learn basic skills like cooking and farming. – Expresses concern over society’s reliance on government systems for sustenance. 6. **Trusting Experts:** – Questions the reliability of experts and governmental assurances. – Challenges the established narrative regarding vaccines and public health measures. – Highlights perceived financial incentives for healthcare professionals that may compromise patient care. 7. **Polio Mythology:** – Argues that the decline in polio cases was due to changes in DDT use rather than the introduction of vaccines. – Emphasizes the importance of understanding historical context in discussing health metrics. 8. **Critique of Modern Educational Failures:** – Criticism of the Department of Education and how it has led to dumbing down of students. – Encourages parents to take charge of their children’s education to ensure better outcomes. 9. **Cultural Decay and Dependence:** – Concern that the current societal approach creates “welfare recipients” rather than independent individuals. – Advocates for a cultural shift back to personal responsibility and respect. 10. **Confronting Authoritarianism:** – Expresses deep-seated fears about authoritarian government overreach and loss of personal freedoms. – Calls for a reconceptualization of freedom that balances individual rights with societal respect. **Conclusion:** Candace Owens presents a comprehensive critique of modern America, focusing on government overreach, societal weakness, and the importance of personal responsibility. She advocates for a return to self-sufficiency and critical thinking as crucial for a healthy society.

Rosie
Rosie
September 28, 2024 7:56 am
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
September 28, 2024 12:05 pm

Everyone should do it. The Free Speech Union make it dead easy to send a protest about the Shut You Up Bill coming before the Senate next week.

Go to FSU, where they helpfully compose a letter which is tailored according to your expressed beliefs as you’ve prioritised them with clicks to the FSU’s list of reasons. They will then send that for you if you wish. They advise though for you to send it yourself to garner more attention. To do this, click for them to send you the letter via email. When the email arrives you there’s one just click for your letter to be set up for you on your own email (presto!) with the right address already inserted, and then you click on submit for it to fire a blast at the obscenity of this bill.

One email from every Cat and Kitteh – NOW.

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
September 29, 2024 11:15 pm

I think Senator Faruqi and her Green mates going to be traumatised by the latest Leak cartoon.

Bill P
Bill P
October 1, 2024 10:45 am

To Col.Bogey:

Hamas, had only one brass ball
Houthi, had two but very small
Nasrellah, was just plain yella,
And poor old Hezballs had no balls at all.
©

Bill P
Bill P
October 1, 2024 10:51 am

If we got the band back together so to speak, and joined a protest singing this I guess we would be arrested.

  1. I think the punters are stirring, getting ansty. Normally letting politics of either persuasion slide by as we just get…

  2. Great stuff from the past. Visuals and audio are great. —— F r. David – Words Don’t Come Easy

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