Open Thread – Christmas Day 2024


Adoration of the Shepherds, Caravaggio, 1609

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JC
JC
December 29, 2024 6:28 pm

I suppose the carrier group that headed to the north end of the Red Sea will review their bumbling after their self-inflicted loss.

You obviously changed your mind. I few weeks ago you were giddily telling us your guys , hootie tootsies, were responsible for the downed F18.
Fog of war, or just brain fog, Dover?

Still, downing a heavy jet isn’t the same as an F18.

132andBush
132andBush
December 29, 2024 7:04 pm

1983, Korean Airlines Flight 007. Shot down by Russians.

2001, Siberia Airlines Flight 1812. Shot down by Ukranians/Russians.
2014 Malaysia Airlines Flight 17. Shot down by Russians and Russian backed separatists.
2020  Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752. Shot down by Iran with Russian supplied missiles.

But yeah, The USS Vincennes.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 29, 2024 7:59 pm
Reply to  dover0beach

HMAS Hobart, in 1968, was attacked by a U.S.N. F-4 Phantom, and two sailors killed, because the Yank pilot misidentified the ship as a North Vietnamese helicopter?

Rabz
December 29, 2024 7:56 pm

Guess what is at each end of the runway at WellKampf Airport?

Look it up on Google Earth

A statue of pluckachook with accurately rendered backside visible from space?

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Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 29, 2024 8:05 pm

Guess what is at each end of the runway at WellKampf Airport?

GaS PipEs? Holding pens for CattLE Cars?

Wake up SheEPLE!!1!!

LB2
LB2
December 29, 2024 8:09 pm

the eternal cycle

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LB2
LB2
December 29, 2024 8:12 pm

ai helping us

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Winston Smith
Winston Smith
December 29, 2024 8:24 pm
Reply to  LB2

Now that’s delightful.
…and a great help.

Roger
Roger
December 29, 2024 8:19 pm
Winston Smith
Winston Smith
December 29, 2024 8:25 pm
Reply to  Roger

I don’t get it. Sorry Roger. Is that Dangerous Dan?

Roger
Roger
December 29, 2024 8:35 pm
Reply to  Winston Smith

Should’a’ gone to Specsavers, Winston.

Allan & Albanese after admonishing country Victorians not to be dickheads.

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Winston Smith
Winston Smith
December 29, 2024 8:20 pm

Surprise Fact of the Day #75:
Elsie likes corn chips. With Sweet Chilli Sauce.
Hint of The Day #4:
Fill cat litter tray with new Kitty Litter – Extra Absorbent.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 29, 2024 8:27 pm

Cost to rebuild firebombed Adass Israel synagogue soars, police yet to make arrestsMohammad Alfares
14 minutes ago.
Updated 2 minutes ago

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The cost of rebuilding the Adass Israel synagogue has soared to tens of millions of dollars, with police yet to make any arrests four weeks after the terror attack.
Rebuilding the Melbourne ultra-Orthodox synagogue to its former glory will cost between $25m and $40m, with the building requiring state-of-the-art security systems, including cameras, bollards and guards, to prevent future attacks.
Details of the plans come as federal backbencher Julian Hill, who once accused Israel of being “hell-bent on formalising a policy of apartheid” and has called on Australia to fast-track formal recognition of a Palestinian state, was informally appointed by the federal government to liaise with leaders of the synagogue.?
It’s understood the Victorian-based Labor MP and Assistant Minister for Citizenship and Multicultural Affairs will act as a middle-man between Jewish synagogue leaders and Anthony Albanese. The Australian has approached his office for comment.

Roger
Roger
December 29, 2024 8:38 pm

Cost to rebuild firebombed Adass Israel synagogue soars

Bill the Labor Party.

bons
bons
December 29, 2024 8:39 pm

I have never watched Sky daytime, so I didn’t understand the fuss that you folks created over it’s coverage.

But now, with CHRISTMAS hols and witnessing the student journos fighting to establish their Lefty creds for their applications to ABC or SBS I am shocked.

It is not just that it is Lefty nonsense, but it is totally unprofessional. It is a scan of the legacy media sludge presented by a blond ditz who is no doubt incapable of understanding the bus routes that bring her to her desk. Any number greater than ten is a mystery.

“Tuvalu residents terrified by climate threats”.

I am genuienly shocked that an outfit like this exists.

Cummon Elon. Get them satellites airborne.

Lee
Lee
December 29, 2024 8:54 pm

The cost of rebuilding the Adass Israel synagogue has soared to tens of millions of dollars, with police yet to make any arrests four weeks after the terror attack.

As Gerard Henderson would say, quelle surprise!

I suspect that had it been a mosque, police would have already made arrests.

Winston Smith
Winston Smith
December 29, 2024 9:01 pm

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/elon-musk-says-hateful-unrepentant-racists-maga-should/
Just because we don’t agree with you, Mr Musk, doesn’t mean you can talk down at us like this.

Musk previously wrote, “The reason I’m in America along with so many critical people who built SpaceX, Tesla and hundreds of other companies that made America strong is because of H1B.”

Great Mister Musk, you’ve just pissed in the face of millions of people who voted for the party who have put you i such a good position. They have legitimate concerns, as well.
And from where I stand it looks like you’ve coat tailed on Trump.

“Take a big step back and F*CK YOURSELF in the face. I will go to war on this issue the likes of which you cannot possibly comprehend.”

And up yours too, you arrogant prick.
This is going to take a lot of humble pie to get back in the publics good books.

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John Brumble
John Brumble
December 29, 2024 9:18 pm
Reply to  Winston Smith

Yeah.. no.

Complete racist f’wits aren’t the core demographic here.

I’m sure you’ll get over it by blaming black people or something.

Bespoke
Bespoke
December 29, 2024 9:22 pm
Reply to  Winston Smith

I don’t disagree with your take but Laura Loomer is grifter probably upset she hasn’t been offered a spot in Trumps admin.

Perfidious Albino
Perfidious Albino
December 29, 2024 10:32 pm
Reply to  Winston Smith

Classic Tropic Thunder reference there from Elon, honestly, he’s living rent free in so many heads right now…

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 29, 2024 9:07 pm

Expect this to be buried (the Hun):

An Israeli government report set to be submitted to the UN this week says that hostages, including children, freed last year from Gaza endured physical and sexual abuse during their captivity.

The report from the Israeli health ministry, which it said was based on testimonies from released captives, details incidents of individuals being burned, beaten and deliberately starved by their Hamas captors.

The findings will be presented this week to Alice Jill Edwards, the United Nations Special Rapporteur on Torture, the ministry said in a statement.

The report said that some of the hostages, including children, had been “sexually assaulted or forced to undress, including at gunpoint”.

And:

Some former hostages have spoken publicly. Earlier this year, freed hostage Amit Soussana told the New York Times of how she was forced to perform “a sexual act” on one of her captors.

The latest report from the health ministry also said that male captives “endured severe physical abuse, including continuous starvation, beatings, burns with galvanised iron … and being denied access to the bathroom, which forced them to defecate on themselves”.

No no no. Heroic resistance. By the way:

rapporteur

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noun

a person who is appointed by an organization to report on the proceedings of its meetings.

Righto. Let’s see the ‘report’.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 29, 2024 9:08 pm

Wake up SheEPLE!!1!!

Downtick me harder!

Say my name! Call me Daddy! Again!

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
December 29, 2024 9:37 pm

Muan’s Fire Fighters reported the malfunction of the landing gear, likely caused by a bird strike, prompted a go around. 

Let me get this straight.
The gear was extended.
They had a bird-strike.
This caused the gear to retract and the landing gear doors to close – both mains and nose.
They then executed a go round and attempted a gear-up landing with no fire services prep of the surface (i.e. foam).
Yeah … nah.

Winston Smith
Winston Smith
December 29, 2024 9:50 pm
Reply to  Sancho Panzer

You’re right.
Sounds odd.
I think I’ll wait for the official “Pilot Error” Report.

Winston Smith
Winston Smith
December 29, 2024 9:48 pm

Another funny….

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Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 29, 2024 10:04 pm
Reply to  Winston Smith

That’s a new keyboard and a double Scotch you owe me.

JC
JC
December 29, 2024 10:07 pm

A few points about the visa issue in the tech field: In 18 months to 2 years, most mid-level programming jobs in tech will likely be taken over by AI, so the argument about visas might become irrelevant beyond that point. This, ironically, makes the debate somewhat amusing.
Outside of tech, there are two key considerations:

While wage rates could be depressed in certain sectors, the broader economy benefits. Lower labor costs often translate to lower prices for goods and services, benefiting consumers. Additionally, healthy corporate profitability improves shareholder returns, driving savings, investments, and the creation of new businesses.Conversely, if visa policies are tightened, the economy may become less dynamic. Higher wages for workers would come with higher costs for goods and services, ultimately reducing competitiveness and innovation.In the end, it’s a trade-off—there’s no such thing as a free lunch. Choose a side.

Incidentally , I read today that 51% of new startups in the US are created by H-1B visa holders.

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Winston Smith
Winston Smith
December 30, 2024 7:10 am
Reply to  dover0beach

Thank you, DB.
That’s my point.
The Subcontinent and the Middle Eastern societies are almost without fail, cultures of low trust.
We do not want those cultural traits taking hold here.

DavidH
DavidH
December 29, 2024 11:02 pm

First detailed report on the Sth Korea aircraft crash I’ve seen. Not MSM (of course) but a YouTuber (Pilot Blog):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1r8dl4RqMw

He covers several questions I raised earlier (why gear retracted, why no spoilers), points out that the #2 (right) reverser was deployed, though another video shows this very engine with problems, apparently post bird strike in the go-around. Most tellingly, what the aircraft hit, that caused the devastation, was the ILS array, which was a raised, solid concrete construction directly in line with the runway (obviously). So the plane didn’t veer off; it was kept along the centreline but slammed into what (by ICAO rules) should be a frangible construction.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
December 29, 2024 11:05 pm

Back in the day, A1. This song still resonates.

AKE A LOOK AT ME NOW – AGAINST ALL ODDS – PHIL COLLINS

MatrixTransform
December 29, 2024 11:33 pm

most mid-level programming jobs in tech will likely be taken over by AI

JC, you’ve been saying some excruciatingly retarded things lately but, this one is retarded-squared

are you off yr meds?

JC
JC
December 29, 2024 11:50 pm

Trans, fck off.

MatrixTransform
December 30, 2024 12:01 am

JC, I’m starting to think you are an AI

you seem have have a propensity to take limited and dubious information and then build hopelessly half-arsed relationships and conclusions

how do you know you are even sentient?

JC
JC
December 30, 2024 12:17 am

Then we should be transparent about which sectors of the economy we are deliberately suppressing wages in so that corporates remain profitable and consumers enjoy lower prices.

There is a certain amount of transparency. Agriculture in California would be devastated, particularly if there were no tariff barriers to prevent imports. California farmers — a large MAGA constituency — have already raised these concerns. Hospitality would be another area affected.
Generally, it would be difficult to conduct such an analysis in the short term because the effects are not easy to quantify. If there is significant capital allocation in a sector and the capital-to-labor ratio is maintained, there may not be any fluctuation in wages.
In any event, the US has always experienced immigration, and the economy is where it is — the largest and most productive in the world.

But aside from that, people involved in the debate over the last few days aren’t simply worried about lower wages, they’re worried about the cultural and social transformation of their societies by mass immigration from India, etc.

Well, yeah, they were saying this about the Borderers, then the Germans, the Irish, the Italians, the Japanese, and the Chinese, and of course the Jews. This argument is an old one that never seems to get old.
Indian Americans, as a group, are the highest income earners in the US, so they must be doing something right.

Just a point on agricultural workers. Seasonal agri workers are granted a sub-category under H-1B from what I understood.

Incidentally, we renovated an apartment while we were living there, and the tradies were Irish seasonal workers for the summer reno season. During our recent renovation it was like the freaking UN. For instance the plumbers were Asian and didn’t speak a word of English. They called their boss, who spoke to me and translated the problem..

JC
JC
December 30, 2024 12:19 am

Trans:

I’ve always thought you’re a fcking imbecile, way over your head. This view won’t ever change. Just stick to downticking and you’ll do fine. Dickhead.

MatrixTransform
December 30, 2024 12:21 am

can youse see what I mean?

… it kinda reads well but ultimately makes no real sense at all

JC
JC
December 30, 2024 12:23 am

The key to trying to understand the big picture is if the capital to labor ratio is either increasing or maintained across the economy or in particular sectors. If the flow is healthy, wage rates will be too.

JC
JC
December 30, 2024 12:33 am

The capital-to-labor ratio in the United States has been on an upward trajectory, indicating increased capital investment relative to labor. While specific recent figures are limited, projections suggest this trend will continue.

The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) projects that the labor force will grow at an annual rate of 0.4% from 2023 to 2033. This is slower than the projected annual population growth rate of 0.6% over the same period. Such a slowdown in labor force growth, coupled with ongoing capital investments, implies a rising capital-to-labor ratio.

Bureau of Labor Statistics

Additionally, the labor share of net income has remained within its historical range, with a labor share of 69.0% and a capital share of 31.0% in 2022. This stability suggests that increases in capital investment are proportionate to economic growth, maintaining a consistent distribution between labor and capital incomes.

Tax Foundation

In summary, while exact recent figures for the capital-to-labor ratio are not readily available, the combination of slower labor force growth and sustained capital investment indicates that the ratio is likely to continue its gradual increase in the foreseeable future.

In other words, other than the blip around the financial crisis, the ratio has expanded at a healthy rate.

This argument is very reminiscent of what we see from the unions, but just coming from the wobbly side of the Right this time.

Roger
Roger
December 30, 2024 7:33 am

Elon Musk’s op ed in yesterday’s Welt am Sonntag (World on Sunday; think Germany’s Weekend Australian), presently causing conniptions among Germany’s political class:

Germany is at a critical juncture. Its future teeters on the brink of economic and cultural collapse. As someone who has made significant investments in German industry and technology, I believe I have the right to speak candidly about its political direction. The Alternative for Germany (AfD) is the last spark of hope for this country.

Here are the reasons:

Economic renewal: The German economy, once the engine of Europe, is now mired in bureaucracy and stifling regulations. The AfD understands that economic freedom is not only desirable but also necessary. Their approach to restricting government overreach, lowering taxes and deregulating the marketplace reflects the principles that have made Tesla and SpaceX successful. If Germany wants to regain its industrial strength, it needs a party that not only talks about growth but also takes political action to create an environment in which companies can flourish without heavy government intervention.

Immigration and national identity: Germany has opened its borders to a very large number of migrants. While this was done with humanitarian intent, it has created significant cultural and social tensions. The AfD advocates a controlled immigration policy that prioritises integration and the preservation of German culture and security. This is not about xenophobia, but about ensuring that Germany does not lose its identity in the pursuit of globalisation. A nation must preserve its core values and cultural heritage to remain strong and united.

Energy and independence: The energy policy pursued by the current coalition is not only economically costly, but also geopolitically naive. Germany’s decision to phase out nuclear energy and instead rely heavily on coal and imported gas, as well as volatile wind and solar power, without the battery storage necessary to maintain a stable power supply, has left the country vulnerable, especially to power outages. The AfD has a pragmatic approach to energy and is advocating a balanced approach. I hope they will consider the expansion of safe nuclear energy combined with battery storage to cushion major fluctuations in electricity consumption, because that is the obvious solution.

Political realism: The traditional parties have failed in Germany. Their policies have led to economic stagnation, social unrest and the erosion of national identity. The AfD, even if it is labelled as far-right, represents a political realism that resonates with many Germans who feel their concerns are ignored by the establishment. It addresses current issues without the political correctness that often obscures the truth. The description of the AfD as far-right is clearly wrong when you consider that Alice Weidel, the leader of the party, has a same-sex partner from Sri Lanka! Does that sound like Hitler to you? Please!

Innovation and the future: I have built businesses on the principle that innovation requires liberation from unnecessary constraints. The AfD’s vision is consistent with that ethos. It advocates educational reforms that promote critical thinking instead of indoctrination and supports the technology industries that represent the future of global economic leadership.

To those who condemn the AfD as extremist, I say: Don’t be fooled by the label. Look at its policies, economic plans and efforts to preserve culture. Germany needs a party that is not afraid to challenge the status quo and that is not mired in the politics of the past.

The AfD can save Germany from becoming a shadow of its former self. It can lead the country into a future where economic prosperity, cultural integrity and technological innovation are not just pipe dreams, but reality. Germany has become too comfortable in mediocrity – it is time for bold change, and the AfD is the only party that opens up this path.

Germans go to the polls on 23rd February following the recent collapse of the coalition government.

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Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
December 30, 2024 8:24 am

Jimmy Carter gorne.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 30, 2024 9:36 am
Reply to  Dr Faustus

At least he lived long enough to become only the 2nd worst President in living memory. That should provide some comfort for all concerned.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
December 30, 2024 9:51 am
Reply to  H B Bear

A typically charitable perspective.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 30, 2024 10:36 am
Reply to  Dr Faustus

That is quite hurtful.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
December 30, 2024 8:49 am

It would be hard to overstate the fear and loathing for Trump and Elon Musk amongst the Good and Great of UK and Europe.

Musk in particular is hated as the enfant terrible who single-handedly created the Trump 2.0 Presidency. And his influence on British and European politics could change everything, simply everything, the featherbedded hold dear.

The Musk/Silicon Valley/Fringe MAGA visa imbroglio – beaten to a stiff peak by the left/soft-left media – has the Trump-hating community tumescent. The abject failure of the now irretrievably fractured Trump Presidency and the imagining of Musk falling into a pit of scalding hubris is both a life raft and comforter to the very butt-hurt.

Prepare for some rather panicky and undemocratic government responses.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 30, 2024 10:39 am
Reply to  Dr Faustus

Prepare for some rather panicky and undemocratic government responses.

Macron for example?

JC
JC
December 30, 2024 10:46 am
Reply to  H B Bear

Prepare for some rather panicky and undemocratic government responses.

It usually starts off with.. we must do something about….

I’m pretty sure the EU has commenced an investigation into X. It’s not going to work out though, seeing who’s walking into the White House on the 20th.

Bruce in WA
December 30, 2024 12:32 pm

Elon Musk quits Tesla” screams the headline in my news feed.

Read further and find out it’s a prediction for 2025 from some unknown looney-tune named David Swan.

WTAF? Ethics? What are they?

Miltonf
Miltonf
December 31, 2024 9:19 am

No wonder people don’t go to church any more. I stopped in the 80s.

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  1. Roger at 10:41If I’m not mistaken even the WH has conceded Biden’s statement has no legal force. If I’m not…

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