Open Thread – Weekend 5 Oct 2024


Festival at the Hermitage, Camille Pissaro, 1876


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Rossini
Rossini
October 5, 2024 12:15 am

Looking for something to read before I doze off

KevinM
KevinM
October 5, 2024 12:30 am

Well here you are then.

It’s about David Niven and I am a bit reluctant to post it as it’s rather long, but interesting so here goes.

He was a proper gentleman and I doubt he had any enemies, or at least I am not aware of.

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Who was the most badass actor in Hollywood? Why?
David Niven.

Born in 1910 London, England into a military family. His father served in World War I and died at Gallipoli when David was 5 years old. His maternal grandfather was an officer killed by the Zulus in the Battle of Isandlwana in 1879.

Niven attended a strict private school as a child. Being an incorrigible prankster, he faced frequent corporal punishment and was eventually expelled. He eventually enrolled at the Royal Military College at Sandhurst.

After Sandhurst, he joined the British Army and was commissioned as a second lieutenant in the Highland Light Infantry.
He was made a lieutenant in 1933 but considered his career to be a dead end in the peacetime army. The last straw for him was mandatory attendance at a lecture on machine guns, which interfered with his plans for dinner with a young lady.

When the general holding the lecture asked if there were any questions, Niven asked “Could you tell me the time, sir? I have to catch a train.” The insubordination earned him an immediate arrest, which led to him and the officer guarding him downing a bottle of whisky. This, in turn, allowed him to escape with help from the same guard and Niven boarded a ship headed for America, resigning his commission by telegraph.

When World War II broke out, he returned home to serve. He was the only British actor in Hollywood to do so and ignored the Embassy’s advice to stay.

Back in Britain, Niven received commando training and became the commander of ‘A’ Squadron in the misleadingly named GHQ Liaison Regiment, better known as Phantom, where he reached the rank of lieutenant-colonel by the war’s end.

Phantom was a unit born as No 3 British Air Mission during the Battle of France. Its job was to stay in forward positions and send back information about the movements of “bomb lines,” areas devoid of Allied troops and thus safe to bomb.
The task was later expanded: patrols of up to 11 men stayed at the front (and sometimes behind enemy lines) monitoring troop movements and listening in on Allied tank radio communications. They then used small, specially-made radios to report back to Corps HQ, giving them clear and up-to-date information on the battle faster than the information could filter through any other line of command.

Over the course of the war, Phantom patrols served in Africa, Italy, Southeast Europe and, of course, France. In Normandy, some jumped with the other paratroopers the night before, while the rest landed on D+1 to move around and report back on the location of all British, Canadian and American troops after the chaos of the night jumps and the first day.

Phantom was also present in other significant battles. During Operation Market Garden, Phantom officers were the only line of communication between the trapped British airborne at Arnhem and the XXX Corps unsuccessfully trying to relieve them.

It was these same officers who brought Major General Urquhart’s famous, desperate message from the besieged forces: “… unless physical contact is made with us early 25 Sept…consider it unlikely we can hold out long enough …”

Phantom patrols were responsible for giving first news on many other events during the war. They were the first to report on the closing of the Falaise Gap, they provided some of the first information on concentration camps and they tracked the movement of German armor during the Battle of the Bulge.

In fact, when American and Soviet troops linked up for the first time at the Elbe River on April 25, 1945, a Phantom patrol attached to the U.S. 1st Army was sent to the planned location in advance, witnessing and reporting on the historic moment.

David Niven’s exploits in Phantom are little-known, as the actor remained tight-lipped about his wartime experience for the rest of his life. There an anegdote about him, saying that on one occasion, just before a fight that was likely to result in heavy casualties, he cheered up his men with a quip: “Look, you chaps only have to do this once. But I’ll have to do it all over again in Hollywood with Errol Flynn!”

He shunned the limelight given to celebrities who served and scorned journalists who covered the war with florid prose. He once said “Anyone who says a bullet sings past, hums past, flies, pings, or whines past, has never heard one – they go crack!”

He once explained the reason behind his silence and humility: “I will, however, tell you just one thing about the war, my first story and my last. I was asked by some American friends to search out the grave of their son near Bastogne. I found it where they told me I would, but it was among 27,000 others, and I told myself that here, Niven, were 27,000 reasons why you should keep your mouth shut after the war.”

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KevinM
KevinM
October 5, 2024 12:32 am

Not quite sure what they mean here?

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KevinM
KevinM
October 5, 2024 12:34 am

That’s udderly ridiculous !! Get over it !! it’s nature,mind your own business and let the mom feed her kid

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Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 5, 2024 12:34 am

Currently staying with London son in Shepherds Bush, W12.
It’s a mixed high density area of terraced houses; huge wealth through to public housing. Multiculti with Beirut and Khartoum characteristics. 

It’s also in the deeply hated ULEZ: where if you move your ICE vehicle on any given 24-hour period, a camera will snap you and send you a £10 bill. 

So tough shit if you are minimum wage and need your car to work, because it’s a non-deductible 12.5% scalping off your annual basic. 

The result is a growing rash of new and secondhand EV’s – and a corresponding rash of street-charging issues, because other than the multi-ten million detached houses, everyone parks on the street. 

There seem to be three kerbside charging options:

High-speed charging stations with a reserved parking space on the street. You book the space with an app, get an hour, and then move your car. If you get there for your hour and the spot is occupied (by tardy previous user or casual motorist), you click on the app and a truck arrives and takes the offending car away (recoverable after paying a hefty release fee).

Lamppost charging points. A plug in the occasional lamppost, with a QR code to power up for an unreserved, untimed trickle charge. Six along both sides of the whole quarter mile street – people spend their evenings shifting cars, and peering out waiting for a nearby park to become available. 

Extension cords from houses. Some at garrotting height, some slung off trees and road signs, some just trailing along the footpath. Turd world stuff. 

The fear, loathing, and friction this causes is intolerable to ICE and EV users alike. Violence, vandalism and theft is common – seemingly continuous. 

It is shit city. 

It is also Shitweasel Bowen’s vision for Australia.

(reposted, sorry)

JC
JC
October 5, 2024 3:35 am

Firstly, neither Patarames nor I are saying all the missiles are deadly accurate. Some are just more accurate than others.

Huh huh. Perhaps you should’ve explained that, because you could’ve fooled me.

Secondly, if nukes are involved you don’t need deadly accuracy, you just need ball park accuracy – which they already have – because a nuke is an area weapon.

What’s the relevance of this comment?

Thirdly, all the Iranians are attempting to demonstrate is a capability in order to restrain/ moderate the Israelis: I can do this is pushed, check yourself.

Oh, so we’re just going to ignore the last 45 years of Iran’s weekly “Death to America” and Death to the Zionist entity” chants—right before they host their little public hangings and stonings in the town square? That’s your idea of “moderation”? Have you conveniently forgotten the nightly light shows over Israel this past year, courtesy of Iranian-backed proxies launching rockets and missiles? If this is your definition of moderation, you must have a fascinating take on what aggression looks like.

Fourthly, there is the converse view to the fear of the Israelis, and that is the fear of the Iranians; that the Israelis either on their own or with the US is hellbent on regime change/ countervalue strikes on Iran.

Israeli fear is well founded.

Since October 7, 2023, over 10,600 rockets and mortar shells have been fired at Israel. A significant portion of these attacks occurred in the first few hours of the conflict, with Hamas launching a massive initial barrage of over 5,000 rockets. Israel’s multi-layered air defense system, including Iron Dome, David’s Sling, and Arrow, has intercepted around 9,500 rockets, mitigating potential damage. Approximately 10% of the rockets fired have failed, landing within Gaza itself due to misfires?.

And of course, we have to bring the US into the discussion. US support for Israeli actions has been tepid at best under the current administration.

What does someone in Tehran surmise from op-eds in the WSJ and the like, that are calling for strikes against its oil / nuclear facilities for example?

Oh, sure. This administration (this one in particular) just sits around waiting for its daily WSJ orders, right? That’s how policy is shaped now, by taking notes from the opinion section. And as for people in Jerusalem? Yeah, I’m sure they’re absolutely thrilled to know that every Friday, there’s a chorus of “Death to the Zionist pigs” being broadcast loud and clear from Tehran. Real confidence-building stuff, isn’t it? But hey, keep calling it moderation—it must make you feel better about pretending none of this is happening.

Apart from, we either need to cut a deal with the US or we need to get nukes to restrain them. Problem is, given the treatment of negotiators/ ceasefire talks/ etc. over the last year or more they are going to be very wary of any deals.

It sounds like you’re saying that the U.S. and Israel bear responsibility for the situation.But when you’ve got 45 years of the Iranian regime calling for death to Israel and arming proxies to carry out those very threats, you think Israelis might start to take them at their word? It’s not a matter of paranoia; it’s survival instinct. The constant barrage of rockets from Gaza, Hezbollah’s military buildup in Lebanon, and Iran’s endless supply of funds and weapons to groups that openly want to wipe Israel off the map—all of this suggests that those chants aren’t just theater.
The Israelis live under a constant existential threat. The Iranian regime and its proxies have been very, very, very clear in both words and actions about their intentions. For them, it’s not just about theater; they openly seek to eliminate Israel. After decades of threats backed by actual attacks, Israel has little choice but to treat those words seriously, especially when those “lunatic proxies” are busy firing rockets into civilian areas.
Why is Israel so defensive, why it takes the military actions it does. Well, if you lived with the prospect of annihilation hanging over you every single day, you might also start to believe that the Mullahs actually mean what they’ve been saying for 45 years. They want to obliterate Israel.

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Tom
Tom
October 5, 2024 4:01 am
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Tom
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Tom
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Tom
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Tom
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Tom
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Tom
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Tom
Tom
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Beertruk
October 5, 2024 4:15 am

Now calling No. XVIII

Winston Smith
Winston Smith
October 5, 2024 5:02 am

Speedbox
 October 4, 2024 7:53 pm

My only point is that I don’t see that Israel currently has the justification to use a nuclear weapon (first strike) at present.

Correct me if I’m wrong but are you saying that Israel must wait until Iran gets its first weapon and uses it? And that Iran can have a nuke but until they launch it, Israel must wait to use theirs?
What we have here is an equivalent to two men – one who has a gun, loaded and ready to fire at an enemy who is telling him that he can’t use it until the enemy picks up their gun, loads it, and pulls the trigger.
It is hardly logical, and Israel is nuts if it doesn’t take the carry by six/judged by 12 option.

  1. Speedbox  October 4, 2024 7:53 pm My only point is that I don’t see that Israel currently has the justification…

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