How can it be legal to force someone to take a medication that might end up doing them far more harm than good?

I am prefacing the post I have already put up with the above question which was in my mind when I came across this: Apology from PM, compensation among demands in lockdown legal challenge.

Court documents released to The Age show the applicants claim various public health orders were unconstitutional, beyond the legal power granted to federal and state governments, and that the circumstances in which some Australians were vaccinated under mandate policies constituted assault.

The particulars also say the recording of a person’s vaccination status in Victoria is in breach of the Fair Work Act 2009 and call for the Prime Minister to issue an apology for alleged deceptive conduct.

I will let the law take its course, but for me the issue is the immorality and ethical abuse that is at the core of our governments’ virtually demanding that each and every one of us take these vaxxines even though the evidence that there are potential dangers involved is absolutely clear.

That there is no recourse for free citizens to resist these efforts by our governments is a disgrace. If these vaxxines become for all intents and purposes mandatory, then we are living in a totalitarian state. What can the government not then demand? What are the limits of what a government can do with a majority in the Parliament? How is this a punishable offence in a free society?

After refusing to adhere to the terms, Ms Smit spent 22 days in prison before Supreme Court Justice Elizabeth Hollingworth varied her bail terms, removing several original conditions sought by police.

She stands accused of inciting people via social media by encouraging them to attend anti-lockdown protests in Melbourne in August, including ones where police were injured.

It’s all very well for others to say they have a fear that the unvaxxinated might transmit the disease to themselves. But others have the fear that getting vaxxinated might end up in itself doing themselves a great deal of physical harm. If this is not a human rights issue, then what is?

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There must be other things going on besides the turning over of our world through the hysterical reaction to Covid, but I cannot think what that is. So keeping to the issue of the moment, let me begin with this: Hospitals in America, Australia And Sweden Are Swamped With People ‘Sicker Than Ever’ — And They Don’t Have Covid. It’s already becoming an old story, and once you have taken the vax there’s nothing left to do but wait. Still, why are our governments, media personalities, medical profession, never mind these pharmaceutical companies all pushing in this one direction with only a few of us out here keeping an eye on things like this:

“ERs are now swamped with seriously ill patients — but many don’t even have COVID,” Michigan Radio reported last week.

Inside the emergency department at Sparrow Hospital in Lansing, Mich., staff members are struggling to care for patients who are showing up much sicker than they’ve ever seen.

Tiffani Dusang, the emergency room’s nursing director, practically vibrates with pent-up anxiety, looking at all the patients lying on a long line of stretchers pushed up against the beige walls of the hospital’s hallways. “It’s hard to watch,” she says in her warm Texan twang.

But there’s nothing she can do. The ER’s 72 rooms are already filled.

[…] Even in parts of the country where COVID-19 isn’t overwhelming the health system, patients are showing up to the ER sicker than they were before the pandemic, their diseases more advanced and in need of more complicated care.

Months of treatment delays have exacerbated chronic conditions and worsened symptoms. Doctors and nurses say the severity of illness ranges widely and includes abdominal pain, respiratory problems, blood clots, heart conditions and suicide attempts, among others.

Australia is now reporting the same.

Plus: New VAERS analysis reveals hundreds of serious adverse events that the CDC and FDA never told us about.

The CDC and FDA have said the vaccines are “safe and effective.” They haven’t found any serious issues with the COVID vaccines. Zero. Zip. Nada. It was the DoD that found myocarditis.

The evidence in plain sight shows that they are either lying or incompetent. Or both. But of course, the medical community is never going to call them on this.

More at the link if you are game to look. Specially found this of interest: Covid ‘Vaccines’ Now Have Real-World Effectiveness of MINUS 73%.

The latest data from the U.K. Health Security Agency, which recently replaced Public Health England, shows that Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) “vaccines” have an average effectiveness rate of -73 percent in people over the age of 18.

This means that the jabs are actually making injected people lose their immunity to the Chinese Virus, not gain more of it. This fact runs contrary to false narrative being spread by the government and the mainstream media that Wuhan Flu injections are “safe and effective.”

As you may recall, Pfizer openly lied about its Chinese Flu injections, falsely claiming that they provide 95 percent effectiveness against the Fauci Flu. The company did this by blatantly manipulating its clinical trial data to produce artificial results.

Etc etc. Again more at the link. Plus: Dr. Reiner Fuellmich: scientific evidence that covid is crime against humanity.

On this page you can download dozens of scientific studies and investigative reports that confirm Dr Reiner Fuellmich’s claim that the pandemic is a crime against humanity. Share this scientific evidence with your own family practitioner, school teachers, medical staff, law enforcement, local authorities, etc.  Stop World Control has also created several in-depth reports that prove how the pandemic has been planned for decades.

Hard to believe, I know. Crackpot stuff, even if it’s true. Of course, if it is true, by the time you know, it won’t make any difference at all. Last one: Vaccine Makers Now Studying Why Vaccine Is Causing Heart Problems. Might have investigated sooner, like before they began injecting actual people with the vax, but there you go.

41 thoughts on “How can it be legal to force someone to take a medication that might end up doing them far more harm than good?”

  1. What can the government not then demand?

    The next guy in power can literally make all his political enemies inject themselves with feces each day just to be allowed to work or go to the shops.

    As bad as politicians have been on this though, just think how stupid and evil judges are.

    From this point on, any judge that doesn’t rule in favour of the government on any issue can also be made to inject feces or any other combination of chemicals the government seems appropriate.

    We are witnessing the complete collapse of Western civilization.


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  2. The covid-19 “vaccine” is the only product in the history of the world where its failure is blamed on the people who didn’t buy it …

    https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/coronavirus/unvaccinated-queenslanders-who-breach-covid19-orders-will-face-big-fines-after-palaszczuks-announcement/news-story/ebc459e93bd56df3ebf126fc27b0440a

    “Families want to know they are safe when they are out in public settings,” she told her press conference on Tuesday morning.”

    I am considering making a six pointed yellow star and will pin it to my shirt when I go shopping as a protest against the Government.

    I will report how it goes.


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  3. The evidence in plain sight shows that they are either lying or incompetent. Or both. But of course, the medical community is never going to call them on this.

    Anecdotal reports suggest enormous pressure on frontline health personnel not to report vaccination injuries or serious side effects. There seems to be a lot of fear in the medical profession that they will lose their jobs if they report honestly. Already they are under threat of being struck off Medicare if they prescribe ivermectin or HCQ, despite these being very safe and effective medicines.

    It is really amazing how pernicious this climate of fear is.


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  4. Steve, the shocks just keep coming, and indeed became graver every day. Just as we think they can’t assault our liberties any further – they just do. Without shame, but even more frightening – seemingly without awareness.

    The imprisonment of Monica Smit in solitary confinement was the stuff of fiction – except it wasn’t.

    And even if we argue that the authorities know and revel in their increasing power, I can’t believe that the public completely understand what is occurring. But then again, maybe they do – surveys prior to Covid revealed that teens actually think that a communist state is a better form of government.

    I despair, & am beginning to prepare for even worse. My husband and I are seriously considering the future and any necessary rearrangement of our affairs. Our first concern is the explosion of inflation, the second is the preservation of our assets from the stealth of government.


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  5. surveys prior to Covid revealed that teens actually think that a communist state is a better form of government.

    I wonder if they still do. A bit of reality is a great teacher, but it shouldn’t come with the risk of death or permanent injury.


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  6. Why TGA head John Skerritt must go over vaccine claim

    Terry McCrann

    Why hasn’t adjunct professor John Skerritt resigned or been sacked as head of the Therapeutic Goods Administration, the body that approves – and supposedly monitors – the Covid vaccines?

    Back in August, when approving the Moderna vaccine, while standing next to the prime minister at Parliament House, Skerritt made a patently false – and what’s more, a ludicrously false – claim about its effectiveness.

    It was a claim that has not been withdrawn or ‘clarified’ by the TGA since. It throws into serious question the competence of the TGA and our ability to trust it to provide effective regulation of the vaccines and Covid medications more broadly.

    Skerritt said that the vaccine was 100 per cent effective against death. Not 99 per cent or even 99.9 per cent, or even a more generalised ‘almost 100 per cent’. But an absolutely unqualified 100 per cent.

    These are his exact words, taken from the transcript of the press conference at the PM’s website.
    “Moderna is even after six months, it’s proving to be 93 per cent efficacious against any infection, 98 per cent against severe disease and 100 per cent against death”.

    For the more visually inclined, you can Google “Morrison, Skerritt and Moderna” for the YouTube video and watch as those words emerge from his mouth.

    As stated, Skerritt’s claim can have only one meaning. If you get the Moderna vaccine – whatever your age, whatever your medical condition – you will not die of Covid. I’ve been waiting to see if any so-called ‘experts’ would call him out on it.

    I’ve been waiting to see whether he would personally ‘walk the claim back’; or whether the TGA would ‘clarify’ it; or try to get around the ‘problem’ by ‘updating’ the data on the Moderna vaccine effectiveness.

    There hasn’t been a peep. It stands today as the ‘official’ TGA assessment of the Moderna vaccine.

    As such, it should also raise the huge question of why we are therefore still using the AstraZeneca or Pfizer vaccines.

    No-one would sensibly claim they are 100 per cent effective against Covid death. So why aren’t we using exclusively the only one that the TGA asserts IS 100 per cent effective against death? Especially, as it must mean – as stated by TGA head Skerritt – 100 per cent effective against death, even for the very old or the immunocompromised or with serious co-morbidities?

    It was a nonsense claim when Skerritt made it in August. That not a single person among those in the US who had already received the Moderna vaccine had subsequently died of Covid. A study by the CDC – the core US government organisation, the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention – found that 9 per cent of the deaths in a sample of 6748 Covid-associated deaths between April 4 and June 19 in the US (616) were of fully-vaccinated people.

    These were people who would have received mostly either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines or, a smaller number, the AstraZeneca-like Janssen vaccine.

    A more recent study, published last week in Science, of the vaccination status of 780,000 US veterans, showed the Moderna vaccine was 85.1 per cent effective against death among those aged under 65 and 75.5 per cent effective in those aged over 65. Earth to Skerritt: that’s not even 90 per cent, far less the 100 per cent you so ludicrously claimed.

    That was precisely an example of the sort of exaggerated and obviously false claims from supposed experts that provide such fertile fodder for conspiracy theories and anti-vaxxers.

    It would be bad enough coming from a politician or a generalised ‘expert’; but coming from the head of the TGA it is totally unacceptable. Skerritt must resign or be sacked.

    Otherwise, how can we trust the TGA about anything?


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  7. Once again, the words of Ian Watson:

    “If you have to be persuaded, lied to, incentivized, coerced, bullied, socially shamed, guilt-tripped, threatened, punished and criminalized.

    If all of this is considered necessary to gain your compliance.

    You can be absolutely certain that what is being promoted is not in your best interest. ”

    See also George Carlin:

    “Bipartisan usually means that a larger-than-usual deception is being carried out”.


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  8. including ones where police were injured

    I couldn’t give a flying f*ck if pigs were injured at the protests, where they were enforcing the inexcusable idiotic fascist policies (and acting as the paramilitary wing) of governments that have zero legitimacy.

    The fact that many protesters were assaulted by the pigs is the outrage here.

    As these fascist abominations of so called governments have zero legitimacy, they must be overthrown and those politicians, bureaucrats, police and braindead meeja mongrels responsible for the introduction, enforcement and constant trumpeting of this fascist insanity held accountable – and no prizes for guessing what I consider their punishments should be.

    What a disgusting unrelenting nightmare – and it won’t end until the populace stands up en masse and forcefully brings it to an end. If this doesn’t happen, we are well beyond the point of return and will be condemned to spending the rest of our lives existing under a global techno-fascist feudal tyranny of a scale never before seen in human history.

    I can’t even articulate how furious and disgusted (not to mention hell bent on revenge) I am with the loathsome deadshits responsible. I will never forgive or forget and nor should anyone else who’s been subjected to this monstrous fascist idiocy.

    They must pay.


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  9. Otherwise, how can we trust the TGA about anything?

    Is this the same TGA that is today reportedly approving for Moderna for kids as young as 6?? .. the day after the French ban it for under 30s?

    #not safe not effective


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  10. Fat Tonysays:
    November 10, 2021 at 11:18 pm
    If there’s enough of us left alive when/if this finishes, then those responsible must face real justice – but not in their “legal system”.

    As not all doses were simultaneous, there will still be plenty alive when the effects become clear.


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  11. We Can’t Vaccinate This Pandemic Away
    31st October 2021

    Robert Clancy

    The author is Emeritus Professor of Pathology at the University of Newcastle Medical School. He is a member of the Australian Academy of Science’s COVID-19 Expert Database

    Thirty frontline doctors in Australia recently treated over 600 patients with COVID-19. The treatment strategy was ivermectin (IVM) with doxycycline and zinc. Five patients required admission to hospital for progressive symptoms. There were no deaths. In a similar number of contemporary Australian patients not treated with IVM, 70 were hospitalised and six died.

    This is consistent with world data bases:  31 randomised controlled trials show 62 per cent benefit with IVM, and seven meta-analyses recorded a reduction in death of between 57 and 83 per cent. Experienced clinicians have moved on to combine IVM with additional drugs, usually a broad-spectrum antibiotic such as doxycycline, and zinc, which has viricidal activity.

    A logical conclusion would be that these results demand attention. With “freedom day” in NSW expected to be followed by increases in COVID-19 infections and hospital admissions, an IVM roll-out would be a logical outcome. That this has not happened may well prompt the question ‘Why is that so?’ The mainline press, which  continues in its refusal to report and interrogate the evidence, also fails the public by presenting IVM as the antichrist of the medicine cabinet. A complex set of events has come together. These events and how they affect COVID-19 management and patient outcomes form the basis of this article.

     FIRST, as patients were being treated with IVM in Sydney and Melbourne with the impressive results mentioned above, the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) made an extraordinary move to shut down the prescribing of IVM by frontline doctors for the treatment and prevention of COVID-19. The TGA has form, as it made a similar ruling on hydroxychloroquine (HCQ), the other re-purposed off-patent drug shown to be effective in treating COVID-19. Importantly, the reasons given by the TGA to justify its decision were not correct.

    The main TGA concern stated was that IVM would confuse the public and lead to hesitation to be vaccinated. That, too, is incorrect. Doctors overwhelmingly support vaccination against COVID-19. The combination of safe and effective IVM with a vaccination programme will enhance viral clearance, reduce disease severity, reduce hospital admissions and reduce deaths. However, groupthink quickly led to professional bodies such as the AMA uncritically accepting the TGA policy. Even the Australian Academy of Science weighed in with political support for the TGA’s decision, doing so without any evaluation of the science.

    Then came the coup: the regulatory body responsible for registration of doctors, the Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency, warned that prescribing, dispensing, or even publicly discussing IVM, “compromised expected standards of practise”, leaving open disciplinary measures which have since resulted in  doctors having their licences revoked. A crescendo of intimidation has ensued, all based on a failure to interrogate the data and understand the clinical circumstance, with perhaps a touch of group hysteria thrown in.

    The conclusion to be taken from these collective authoritarian decisions is that medical choice is no longer the prerogative of the doctor-patient relationship in Australia. Bureaucrats for any reason can decide and enforce medical issues without discussion with relevant medical experts.


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  12. Is there a possibility that the health department monsters be charged with attempted manslaughter/murder for insisting that there be no exemptions to a second COVID vaccine for those who have suffered serious adverse reactions which could be called ‘life-threatening’? Surely there would be something in writing to that effect signed by someone? If not them who? or does that decision make itself-


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  13. insisting that there be no exemptions to a second COVID vaccine for those who have suffered serious adverse reactions which could be called ‘life-threatening’

    Make the appointment, cancel the day before, because “something urgent came up”.

    Repeat as often as required to get them off your case.


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  14. Two New Studies Test Quercetin And COVID Outcomes

    Can Quercetin Reduce Hospitalizations and Deaths?

    The second study3 — a prospective, randomized, controlled and open-label trial — gave 152 COVID-19 outpatients a daily dose of 1,000 mg of quercetin for 30 days to evaluate its adjuvant effects in the treatment of early symptoms and the prevention of severe infection. According to the authors:

    “The results revealed a reduction in frequency and length of hospitalization, in need of non-invasive oxygen therapy, in progression to intensive care units and in number of deaths. The results also confirmed the very high safety profile of quercetin and suggested possible anti-fatigue and pro-appetite properties.

    QP (Quercetin Phytosome®) is a safe agent and in combination with standard care, when used in early stage of viral infection, could aid in improving the early symptoms and help in preventing the severity of COVID-19 disease. It is suggested that a double-blind, placebo-controlled study should be urgently carried out to confirm the results of our study.”

    Mechanisms of Action

    As noted in the first study4 above, quercetin was chosen based on the fact that it has antiviral, anti-blood clotting, anti-inflammatory and antioxidant properties, all of which are important in the treatment of SARS-CoV-2 infection. In the second study, more detailed mechanisms of action are reviewed. According to the authors:5

    Quercetin Works Against Many Common Viruses

    Before the COVID-19 pandemic struck, several studies had highlighted quercetin’s ability to prevent and treat the common cold and seasonal influenza.10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18 By attenuating oxidative damage, it also lowers your risk of secondary bacterial infections,19 which is actually the primary cause of influenza-related deaths.

    Importantly, quercetin increases mitochondrial biogenesis in skeletal muscle, which suggests part of its antiviral effects are due to enhanced mitochondrial antiviral signaling.20 Quercetin also works against other viruses, as demonstrated in the following studies:


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  15. Tintarella di Luna says:
    November 11, 2021 at 9:30 am
    Is there a possibility that the health department monsters be charged with attempted manslaughter/murder for insisting that there be no exemptions to a second COVID vaccine for those who have suffered serious adverse reactions which could be called ‘life-threatening’? Surely there would be something in writing to that effect signed by someone? If not them who? or does that decision make itself-

    This is something that has alarm bells ringing very loudly for me too, Tinta. Good medicine would surely argue that something that has caused serious harm once should not be forced on a person again.

    The question as you point out is just who is mandating this? Is it a public servant somewhere, a CHO/CMO, a politician, the AMA, TGA, a WHO protocol? Who?

    If anyone with a medical qualification is mandating it, they need to be struck off and prosecuted for murder or manslaughter. Frankly, so should those mandating the first jabs! As for the bureaucrats and politicians pushing it, yes, I believe they should be prosecuted also.

    There’s more than enough evidence to at the very least cancel any and all mandates, but best to halt the supply of these jabs altogether and get genuinely effective treatments out there instead. Those treatments do exist and the bastards know they exist. Not one of these people should be in a position of responsibility ever again, not in parliament, not in any official or public service position. Maybe picking up dog poo, but no higher than that.


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  16. Vaccine mandate for more workers as Queensland ditches masks

    More frontline staff will be required to get vaccinated by next month under a new mandate announced by the Health Minister, but public servants are still not required to follow suit.

    As Health Minister Yvette D’Ath revealed public servants weren’t part of the jab mandate, she announced all private healthcare staff including GP and pharmacy employees would be required to get inoculated by December 15.

    This will extend to health contractors, third party providers, health professionals and employees or volunteers engaged by external agencies.

    “It’s critical that all health workers, including students and volunteers, are protected,” Ms D’Ath said.

    “They face a high infection risk, especially clinicians on the frontline.”


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  17. The implications of what we are going through now will be far reaching.

    Personally, I have lost any faith that I may have had in the so called “experts”. That was not high to begin with as I always questioned their motives. I think that started with the “global warming” rubbish.

    I have now lost faith in the majority of the medical profession. The only conversation I had with my GP of many years about the vax was fully of ducking and weaving so as not to answer my concerns. I felt sold out and belittled for not giving in already. Only my faith remains with some other specialists in non covid issues but that is also subject to change.

    Most surprising to me personally is my loss of faith in the “justice system”. Given the previous emphasis on individual rights (especially cases concerning particular immigrants and surrounding rights of activists to protest), I had firmly believed that the court system would reject government attempts to enslave citizens. Boy was I wrong. Case after case, decisions are now being handed down that ignore civil liberties, the rule of law and most of all, the Constitution. With each decision, I realise that the courts provide no protection at all from government tyranny. In reality, they are cheering it on.

    This country really is rooted. Who would have thought that, in this country, your government could ban singing and dancing and tell you how many people you can have around to your house. Once we submitted to that, we are now being forced to take experimental drugs or risk losing your job and being locked out of society.

    I am losing any belief that this country will actually be redeemable. I have one eye on the exit but question where to go that hasn’t suffered the same insanity.


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  18. From Michael Smith News

    Nonna2 said…

    What has happened to Australia? This sort of thing should not be happening in a free Country.
    Authorised officers have raided a surgery in Melbourne, taking confidential patient documents pursuant of Covid health orders according to a rattled Melbourne doctor shocked by the experience.

    Seven authorised officers were recorded on a Facebook livestream arriving outside the surgery in the Western suburbs at 1.15pm today after Dr Mark Hobart allegedly refused to surrender private patient information to Victorian health officers.

    “I have just been invaded by seven authorised officers from the Department of Health and they have seized my confidential patient files and my appointment book and various other documents. They say they are going to give me an itemised list of what they’ve taken. And there was quite an intimidating experience. I think they’ve gone now…” said Dr Mark Hobart. “They just came here to seize files […] they all just came in and started walking around.”

    Dr Hobart said that he was not served with any kind of warrant.

    https://www.rebelnews.com/officers_raid_doctor_surgery_in_melbourne?utm_campaign=rb_11_10_2021&utm_medium=email&utm_source=therebel


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  19. QLD – More frontline staff will be required to get vaccinated by next month under a new mandate announced by the Health Minister, but public servants are still not required to follow suit.

    From the Comments

    3 classes of people in good old QLD, Vaxxed, UnVaxxed and Public servants. Will the public servants be dressed differently to the rest of us so we can avoid them in Bunnings? However did her spin doctors come up with this one. Certainly doesn’t pass any pub test. If only we had an effective opposition.


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  20. I thought my ability to be gobsmacked by the evil/stupidity of this had been reached.

    but a new plateau awaits.

    The chap on site that had the ridgy didge full on life threatening reaction to the pfizer vaccine has had his exemption request knocked back.

    Instead he has been informed he must take one of the other 2 varieties of vaccine in a “controlled environment” (hospital or similar).

    I just cant grasp that medical professionals are willing to induce anaphylaxis for the sake of vaccinating someone.
    Deliberately.


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  21. From Old Ozzie at 1021

    Will the public servants be dressed differently to the rest of us so we can avoid them in Bunnings?

    Yellow stars on their tax deductible corporate unifirms?


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  22. “As not all doses were simultaneous, there will still be plenty alive when the effects become clear.”

    And if any such effects are dire enough, you can be sure that many “French haircuts” will be administered without any recourse to “due process”. As with all such scenarios, along with the many who are deserving of it will be many who are not. If such eventuates, it will indeed be a most dark period in our history and will shape society for many years.

    Personally, I believe it is not so dire – I think it more likely to be like ‘flu vaccines. They simply do not last, as the anti-bodies are too close to several needed proteins in various parts of the body, and so is made to be easily “forgotten” by the immune system – unlike, say, mumps or measles. This is readily apparent from the high number of adverse reactions, including auto-immune issues.
    It also appears apparent that the spike protein that the vaxes make your body create are in truth cytotoxic themselves, and the “genetic” vaxes (mRNA and viral-vector) are significantly more dangerous simply because even with an exact dosage given, each patients body will react differently and produce a wide range of actual spike protein volume – what is “safe” for many is life-threatening for others. In these cases, the viral-vector ones (eg, AZ) are the worst – at least he mRNA ones are limited to the life of the mRNA itself, the viral-vector ones are potentially unlimited in terms of spike protein production and much more likely to be unpredictable in terms of “dose” of the actual reagents required to produce an immune reaction.

    Plus, of course, there are even more unknowns involved than most are aware of. Yes, there is a chance of ADE etc, however given we have never before had widespread use of an mRNA vaccine, we do not have any data on what issues may arise from their use – and these may be and likely are separate from the issues of the specific vaccine itself (ie, COVID vax vs generic mRNA vax).

    And this is just the medical issues – the political ones, including loss of freedom of movement, loss of sovereignty of one’s own body, massive public debt, destruction of businesses and jobs and so on, are likely to be the main driving force of the (I think inevitable) backlash when things don’t go as planned (and they never do – thanks Murphy).


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  23. Not one of these people should be in a position of responsibility ever again, not in parliament, not in any official or public service position. Maybe picking up dog poo, but no higher than that.

    I was thinking more along the lines of crimes against humanity. We’ll march them past the gallows on their way into the courtroom. If they can prove some mitigating circumstances they get the quick drop instead of the hoisting.


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  24. The only good thing about compulsory jabs for frontline workers is it may well cull a shit load of fascists.
    I am a pureblood. I am not against vaccination. Unless you play Humpty Dumpty with language in no way are these venoms vaccines.
    And, in closing, the Government can kiss my arse.


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  25. and the “genetic” vaxes (mRNA and viral-vector) are significantly more dangerous simply because even with an exact dosage given, each patients body will react differently and produce a wide range of actual spike protein volume – what is “safe” for many is life-threatening for others.

    Thanks for that Kneel – food for thought. Like many others, I have wondered why some vaccinees suffer from no ill effects at all (at least in the short term), & others are crippled. Robert Malone & others have offered “bad batches” of vaccine as an explanation. But this has never felt convincing.


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  26. Boambee John says:
    November 11, 2021 at 9:15 am

    As not all doses were simultaneous, there will still be plenty alive when the effects become clear.

    Kneel says:
    November 11, 2021 at 11:52 am

    …at least he mRNA ones are limited to the life of the mRNA itself

    Which is? The type of delivery systems referred to in formulation of the Pfizer and Moderna gene therapies are for all intensive purposes, “programmable”:

    https://patents.google.com/patent/US20100216804A1/en?oq=2010%2f0216804

    [0055] “Once the nanoparticles, e.g. as provided herein are administered… the half-life of the polymer…may be on the order of days, weeks, months, or years, depending on the polymer.”

    https://patents.google.com/patent/US20120201859A1/en?oq=2012%2f0201859

    [0026] Once implanted, the aptamer containing microspheres may deliver the aptamer of interest over a prolonged period of time into the tissue or body fluid surrounding the microspheres…over a period of weeks… and more preferably months…or longer.”


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  27. Everytime you see the word ‘unvaccinated’ substitute Catholic or Muslim or HIV positive or lots of other things and then ask whoever is using the word would feel the same about using those other words.


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  28. @sfw

    Pseudoscience, superstition and mysticism are about the most accurate description of the processes, methods and “thought” used to bodge-up health policy these days.

    Astrology, scrying, entrail reading and entheogen mediated prescience seem solidly respectable practices in comparative context as well as are more likely to facilitate better public health outcomes.


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  29. I have wondered why some vaccinees suffer from no ill effects at all (at least in the short term), & others are crippled.

    Vicki there has been speculation that some doses are injected into or adjacent to a blood vessel instead of 100% intramuscular. It’s been known by doctors for many years that an adenovirus based vaccine (like AZ) circulating in the blood stream will create blood clots etc. When you are injecting en mass at Bunnings, in the back corner of a chemist and out in parking lots they sure aren’t checking what the needle is hitting.

    That said if this was the only issue you would expect an even distribution of side effects but instead they are more concentrated in specific age groups. So yes, seems the injected material itself is toxic more so than an imprecise delivery process.


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