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The game’s up, but Aussie politicians won’t notice

Just read the latest weekly NSW Covid Surveillance Report. Among other data covering the seven weeks to 15 January, it provides figures (table 6) for those infected who suffered a severe outcome; i.e., “ICU and/or death.” Of the 614 people concerned 467 had been either double or triple vaxxed.

While it is true that 467 out of 614 (76%) somewhat under-represents the fully vaxxed among the adult population, it is surely a disconcerting outcome for those who see vaccination as the be and end all for tackling Covid.

Isn’t the game up? Maybe. Someone pointed to the irony of triple-jabbed but still infected Justin Trudeau continuing to spruik jabs; while, incidentally, maligning Canadian truckers fighting for their freedom.  What a twerp. Makes Morrison, even Perrottet and Dan, look good.

In any event, there’s a lag between politicians changing tack when facts on the ground change. They have to work out how to do it without losing face and ever admitting they were wrong. Omicron was a boon for Boris in dropping the vaccine mandate for health workers in the non-communist part of the UK (to wit, ex-Scotland). Our lot seem to have missed the chance. Need Upsilon to come along maybe. Perhaps Morrison will see freedom as path to victory in May. But can’t see the premiers going along.

Perrottet, heavied by green Matt Kean, has already thrown his lot in with Albanese. With Albanese in the Lodge expect long Covid.

Peter Smith

29 responses to “The game’s up, but Aussie politicians won’t notice”

  1. Figures Avatar
    Figures

    While it is true that 467 out of 614 (76%) somewhat underrepresents the fully vaxxed among the adult population

    It actually doesn’t though.

    People at death’s door in a hospice or chemo ward typically don’t get vaccinated (for anything) because they are too frail. Such people make up a huge proportion of people who die.

    The fact that the rate of deaths in the vaxed are similar to the rate of deaths in the unvaxed is actually terrifying. Even if the vaccine was completely useless (and it is) the rate of deaths in the vaxed would be vastly lower due to the healthy user bias amongst vaccine recipients.

    The fact that it is roughly similar indicates that these vaccines are horrifically dangerous.

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  2. Alistair Crooks Avatar
    Alistair Crooks

    We should all always remember that Justin Trudeau, like Scott Morrison, is a graduate of Klaus Schwabs’ “School for leaders” Thats should make every Australian worry!

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  3. duncanm Avatar
    duncanm

    More significantly than the vax/unvaxx argument, look at the numbers.

    Delta/Omicron (Dec’21 onwards):
    560k PCR cases (so what… maybe 700k+ actual cases? 30-40% of tests were positive during the peak, with 10% of SW Sydney and Byron shire officially infected per. Table 8a)

    600 in ICU (~ 0.1%)
    234 deaths (~ 0.03%)

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  4. Roger Avatar
    Roger

    Yesterday integrity issues in the QLD government headed up my news feed.

    Today it’s the leaked texts.

    The covid stats have been relegated to a click away from the front page.

    Normality is slowly returning as covid becomes endemic.

    Any politician who thinks they can continue to use covid fear for electoral advantage is dreaming.

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  5. Zyconoclast Avatar
    Zyconoclast

    We should all always remember that Justin Trudeau, like Scott Morrison, is a graduate of Klaus Schwabs’ “School for leaders” Thats should make every Australian worry!

    It used to be that Rhodes Scholars were over represented in the political class now it appears that this WEF mob are taking over.

    https://www.younggloballeaders.org/community?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=&status=&class_year=&sector=&region=a0Tb00000000DCNEA2#results

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  6. Damon Avatar
    Damon

    The actual facts show that Covid19(omicron) is not a particularly dangerous virus. The pantomines of masking, ‘social distancing’ , etc, that nobody observes, are ludicrous, and are only instituted in the interests of political control. We need a truckers revolution in the supermarket queues.

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  7. Kneel Avatar
    Kneel

    “We need a truckers revolution in the supermarket queues.”

    They think they are still in control of the narrative – and for many, they are. But a growing proportion are seeing the truth through alternative sources, including social media.
    Just as with rabid wokeism and cancel cultue, once 51% realise they are actually the majority, it’ll turn into a tsunami.

    Why do you think they are desperate to suppress the Canadian convey story?
    Why do you think they are desperate to suppress dissenters talking on Joe Rogan’s podcasts?
    They know.
    They are scared.
    They have good reason to be scared.
    They are in a hole and are trying to dig their way out.
    They will only make the collapse of the walls all the worse.

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  8. Big_Nambas Avatar
    Big_Nambas

    We should all always remember that Justin Trudeau, like Scott Morrison, is a graduate of Klaus Schwabs’ “School for leaders” Thats should make every Australian worry!

    Don’t forget that he is Castro’s son and that the fruit falls close to the tree.

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  9. Bourne1879 Avatar
    Bourne1879

    The problem I see is that the Federal Government has spent billions on the vaccines and more recently the far more expensive pills. Not only that Greg Hunt has asked Pfizzer to be front of the queue for the upcoming Omicron Vax. Let’s not forget they bought 51 million Novovax which was created before Delta and can’t be used as a booster and if you were waiting for it still need to get one of the others for your third shot.

    Meanwhile people are losing their jobs for not taking the 3rd shot when as far as I know only WA has made it mandatory.

    The reduction from 6 months to 3 months between 2nd and 3rd was to me a massive sign first 2 did not work against Omicron. In fact Pfizzer CEO said first two did not work against Omicron but naturally advised getting booster. Let’s not even talk about the Israeli experience.

    It seems like Australia is also an island in relation to being cut off from overseas developments and we are still on the vaccine train and can’t stop.

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  10. Mother Lode Avatar
    Mother Lode

    While it is true that 467 out of 614 (76%) somewhat under-represents the fully vaxxed among the adult population

    Glad to see this point raised – if they are 87% (guesstimate) of the population but only 76% of them are stricken then the vaccine superficially would seem to have that benefit. This is something sure to be raised in arguments separately and demands to be confronted.

    My understanding (without referring to relevant data that may not even be made available) is that more people in hospital who have not had the vax have not done so precisely because they have existing conditions. What are the proportions for people ushered in off the street and who were not already sprawled on a bed and strung up to machines like a macabre marionette.

    Also, none of the unvaxxed have reactions to the vaccines, while the vaccinated may. Consolidating the information and then making a comparison needs to be done.

    These are hypotheses, or even the skeletons of hypotheses begging to be fleshed out.

    How long until they get around to honestly doing that?

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  11. Razey Avatar
    Razey

    It’s a pandemic of the vax’d.

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  12. John Brumble Avatar
    John Brumble

    Big_Nambas.
    I don’t buy into the Castro = Trudeau father thing. But Jesus the Snopes article attempting to debunk the idea is rubbish. Firstly they start saying that the supposed parents needed to be in the same place from date X to date Y, then they say that they have proof that they couldn’t have been. And then they proceed to post definitive proof that……. wait for it… they didn’t actually know where the two supposed parents were during significant periods of the conception window. Indeed, one of the pieces they posted that was meant to support their view, simply showed definite proof that Marie was NOT with Pierre on for some of that period.
    It’s the sort of piss-poor effort that invariably happens when someone believes their position is right by divine providence, rather than logic.
    Again – I don’t think that rumour is true at all. But the article does demonstrate the poor state of Snopes these days even when they have a slam-dunk.

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  13. Miss Anthropist Avatar
    Miss Anthropist

    Tin eared tinpot tyrants.
    We’re world leaders.

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  14. Chris M Avatar
    Chris M

    Just read the latest weekly NSW Covid Surveillance Report.

    Under the hospitalisation, ICU & deaths category note the vaxxed, the unvaxxed and then the row “under investiagtion” with a lot of cases. Haha this is the ‘don’t wish to say’ row, clearly they know exactly who in hospital is vaccinated. UK do the same, so fudging is not just a Sydney pastime.

    You can lump this row into vaxxed to get a clearer picture of the colossal failure that has been the covid vaccine program.

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  15. Bruce Avatar
    Bruce

    Crunching the Kovid “numbers?

    Find the numbers, if you can!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDxkloJ-4kE

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  16. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    I don’t buy into the Castro = Trudeau father thing.

    I don’t either.
    Castro was known to be a poofter, so was Pierre Elliot Trudeau.
    By the way, I think her name was [is?] Margaret, there was a 30 year age difference and I seem to also recall her going on Tour with the Rolling Stones for a while.
    So the sire coulda been anyone.

  17. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity Avatar
    Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

    Beertruksays:
    February 2, 2022 at 8:49 pm

    I am sure there are a couple of pubs here in Toowoomba who turn a blind eye or are not as strict on the unjabbed turning up for a beer. Went to one the other week and was not checked.

    Beery, pubs are way too big an asset to play fast & loose with the law.
    The penalty for non-compliance is such that nobody with even two functioning brain cells is going to risk a liquor breach.

    However, the law is such that all persons entering a pub do not have to be individually scrutinised for (a) QR check-in & (b) confirmation of fully vaccinated status.
    Pubs have to make a reasonable effort to ensure all patrons have complied.
    (This is not the same as an obligation to prevent the entry of unvaccinated)

    That said, while I & everybody I know is able to demonstrate we’re making a reasonable effort, nobody will tolerate an actual unvaccinated (if detected) in the venue.

    QR scanning on the other hand, is pretty much dead & buried. Nobody checks or cares.

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  18. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity Avatar
    Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

    Oops, rong thread.
    So embarrassing 😛

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  19. Perfidious Albino Avatar
    Perfidious Albino

    Didn’t work against Omicron?! Didn’t work with Delta or anything prior, including the original strain. Not vaccines. Merely sub-optimal therapeutics that literally moved the absolute risk rating for serious illness or death from the original strain a whole ~o.80% from 98% unlikely to 99% unlikely – and even that ‘success’ was based on big pharma’s self managed clinical trial population – just barely enough to be able to claim ‘benefit’ from injecting them.

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  20. Ed Case Avatar
    Ed Case

    Heh, Sal, just realised your avatar isn’t a chipmunk’s head.

  21. Rex Anger Avatar
    Rex Anger

    Castro was known to be a poofter, so was Pierre Elliot Trudeau.

    Somehow, I just know that Grigory can’t and won’t back his assertions with proof here.

    Stupid troll…

  22. John Bayley Avatar
    John Bayley

    This particular game may be up, but nobody has ANY clue what will happen to the ‘fully vaccinated’ long-term.
    Only time will tell on that score, but current, still rather early, indications are not exactly encouraging.
    And yet the governments continue to harass and coerce people into submitting. Now the push is on to ‘vaccinate’ infants, too.
    Do we still have enough manufacturing capacity in Australia to make all the gallows that will be needed to settle the score with the perpetrators of this massive crime, or will we have to order some from China?

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  23. Phil Avatar
    Phil

    John,

    It is fairly self evident where the “Vaxxed” are going to end up. One needs only to look at the respective data that the UK Govt in particular likes to churn out on a weekly basis. The UKHSA (formerly PHE) weekly Vaccine Surveillance Report is a classic example. Vaxxed versus unVaxxed efficacy started going south around mid last year if I remember correctly. It’s currently running at around a two to one ratio in all age groups (bar the younger ones) in favour of the Vaxxed contracting the virus in lieu of the unVaxxed. It is simply a comedy show on wheels. The Monty Python boys could not surpass the clown show that we are living in here in Australia.

    On a more serious note, I consider that the Original Antigenic Sin hypothesis regarding the Vaxxed is no longer a hypothesis. The amount of Vaxxed infections worldwide is now prolific, which suggests, indeed mandates, that the Vaxxed’ immune response has been trained against a particular, and outdated protein within the original strain of the virus. Why the virologists targeted the initial pathogenic S1 spike protein to provide the Vax immune response is beyond my comprehension. I think that this is a rather large problem going forward.

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  24. John Bayley Avatar
    John Bayley

    Why the virologists targeted the initial pathogenic S1 spike protein to provide the Vax immune response is beyond my comprehension.

    From my understanding, this was done because past attempts at coronavirus vaccines, using both the ‘traditional’ whole virus approach and the early mRNA ones, invariably resulted in antibody-dependent enhancement on re-exposure to a wild virus from that same group of RNA pathogens.

    The theory behind this ‘limited’ pathogenic response was that it would avoid such problems.

    While ADE and OAS produce somewhat similar outcomes, occasionally summarised as VEI (vaccine-enhanced infection), their mechanisms are quite different.

    So it would perhaps be fair to say that instead of the frying pan, the ‘vaccine experts’ may have successfully relocated the ‘fully vaxxed’ into the fire proper.

    Which they are now trying to ‘fix’ by mandating a third shot of the same concoction. Because, as every ‘expert’ knows, if something does not work, it needs to be repeated until it does.

    To make matters even worse, there has been SARS (the original 2003 version) -related research going as far back as 2007, which concluded the S-protein itself was cytotoxic and could lead to blood clots.

    As I said earlier, the criminal trials over this need to be at least equal in scope to the ones that took place after WW2 and the perpetrators locked up for life.

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  25. Bruce Avatar
    Bruce

    Gallows?

    Plenty of nice balconies on “heritage” government buildings.

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  26. Figures Avatar
    Figures

    Which they are now trying to ‘fix’ by mandating a third shot of the same concoction. Because, as every ‘expert’ knows, if something does not work, it needs to be repeated until it does.

    The thing is, they can always find the “proof” that it does.

    For the n+1 shot the early death rates will be lower than those getting their nth shot at the same time (again, healthy user bias – you’re not going to run out and get your next booster if the previous one nearly killed you).

    So that’s why Israel managed to find data that supported their 4th shot. Of course it’s only statistical illusion and with each dose the population as a whole gets sicker and sicker.

    I’ve been begging people here to ignore medical statistics – they’re all lies.

    Medical statistics are the same epistemologically as econometrics – a self-fulfilling prophecy. That’s why you can’t use them.

    You need to go to first principles and ensure your assumptions are watertight.

    Here is a watertight assumption: visiting a doctor isn’t instantly fatal.

    Here’s another: the sub-conscious mind can cause physiological conditions that are unpleasant but necessary for survival.

    Another: germs are ubiquitous.

    Another: people can share trauma, poisons and illness.

    Another: exposure to a virus for years is a better learning experience than a few days.

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  27. Eyrie Avatar
    Eyrie

    Castro/Trudeau
    https://www.barnhardt.biz/2022/01/31/yes-justin-trudeau-is-seriously-fidel-castros-son-this-isnt-a-joke-canada-is-literally-conquered-and-under-a-dictatorship-of-fidel-castros-son-who-is-a-murderous-communi/

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  28. Kneel Avatar
    Kneel

    “Gallows?

    Plenty of nice balconies on “heritage” government buildings.”

    Same issue – not enough rope.
    Crucifixion, on the other hand – well, trees are plentiful for the requisite wood, and nails are still aplenty. As a bonus, death is more drawn out, and so there is plenty of time to throw rotten fruit, spit on them, call them names etc etc.
    All in all, a significantly better outcome for all except the guilty – but I guess they can play at being Jesus if it makes them feel better.

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  29. Louis Avatar
    Louis

    It’s not the public who need to be convinced, it’s those in authority and they are thoroughly insulated. They are surrounded by ‘experts’ giving them advice and making claims of success. And politicians are smart enough to say “hang on a second, this advice contradicts your previous advice but both claim to based on the same information”.

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