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This is from The New York Times: Coastal Sea Levels in U.S. to Rise a Foot by 2050, Study Confirms.

And this is from The Oz:

I’m sure it will all work out in fifty years’ time. And oddly for me, I have been hearing the same things said over and over literally for the past fifty years.


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Duc de Normandy
Duc de Normandy
February 18, 2022 12:11 pm

How can a study confirm something that hasn’t happened. It’s just another model.

I thought it was going to rise eight metres.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
February 18, 2022 12:30 pm

This is from The New York Times: Coastal Sea Levels in U.S. to Rise a Foot by 2050, Study Confirms.

Aaaargh, panic!

On the other hand that is six times faster than what the real world data says, and could be prevented by a guy with a bobcat working for a few weeks.

bemused
bemused
February 18, 2022 12:31 pm

I thought it was going to rise eight metres.

Robyn Williams (Their ABC’s science guru) said it could rise by 100m.

duncanm
duncanm
February 18, 2022 12:45 pm

1989

.. entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000.

As the warming melts polar icecaps, ocean levels will rise by up to three feet, enough to cover the Maldives and other flat island nations, Brown told The Associated Press in an interview on Wednesday.

Coastal regions will be inundated; one-sixth of Bangladesh could be flooded, displacing a fourth of its 90 million people. A fifth of Egypt’s arable land in the Nile Delta would be flooded, cutting off its food supply, according to a joint UNEP and U.S. Environmental Protection Agency study.

bemused
bemused
February 18, 2022 12:54 pm

Now that the virus catastrophe is over, let’s resume the climate catastrophe (two years with barely a whimper).

vlad redux
vlad redux
February 18, 2022 1:05 pm

I’ve been hearing since the seventies that we only have ten years to save the environment.

Also that petrol is about to run out – we haven’t heard so much of that one lately – but also that fusion is just around the corner.

Roger
Roger
February 18, 2022 1:11 pm

Midnight oil…that’s what we’ll be reduced to burning when the ‘trickery ain’t on at night.

bemused
bemused
February 18, 2022 1:43 pm

Midnight oil…that’s what we’ll be reduced to burning when the ‘trickery ain’t on at night.

Had much the same thought and for a group that sings about environmentalism, what’s with the oil bit in their name?

Tom
Tom
February 18, 2022 2:07 pm

The use of massive government subsidies to artificially increase the cost of coal-fired electricity and massively reduce the book cost of unreliable electricity is the oldest accounting trick in the book.

And, of course, The Australian has a climate hysteric on its staff, Perry Williams, to write daily propaganda for renewables and make the climate scammers like Origin Energy rich on the back of taxpayer.

You don’t have to be smart to be a climate scammer in Australia, just utterly corrupt.

As has been pointed out here many times, Australia is one of the world capitals of financial corruption – all encouraged by government.

bemused
bemused
February 18, 2022 2:35 pm

As has been pointed out here many times, Australia is one of the world capitals of financial corruption – all encouraged by government.

It’s really quite funny when you consider how our government decries so-called corruption in other countries, where paying officials to get contracts etc approved is common practice, and even polices this when it comes to private companies operating overseas, yet they do exactly the same but simply in a different way.

132andBush
132andBush
February 18, 2022 2:48 pm

I wonder how much money from turbine manufacturers has found it’s way to the pockets of decision makers?

How much Chinese funding to environmentalist groups?

Anchor What
Anchor What
February 18, 2022 3:06 pm

Midnight Oils can’t hold a candle (burnt at either or both ends) to a proper group from yesteryear like The Doors.

Bruce
Bruce
February 18, 2022 3:18 pm

@ Vlad Redux:

“Also that petrol is about to run out – we haven’t heard so much of that one lately – but also that fusion is just around the corner.”

See also:

“I’m from the Government and I ‘m here to help”?

“The cheque is in the mail”.

“Of course I’ll still respect you in the morning”.

And sundry others…..

Gilas
Gilas
February 18, 2022 3:41 pm

Truth? Only one measure required:

Trendline in waterfront real estate prices.

When these move in the direction expected, we’ll know the problem is real.

Until that happens, these retarded fuckwits can eat shit and die.

Lurx
February 18, 2022 3:43 pm

bemused says:
February 18, 2022 at 2:35 pm

As has been pointed out here many times, Australia is one of the world capitals of financial corruption – all encouraged by government.

It’s really quite funny when you consider how our government decries so-called corruption in other countries, where paying officials to get contracts etc approved is common practice, and even polices this when it comes to private companies operating overseas, yet they do exactly the same but simply in a different way.

Scumbags on all political fronts, as well as those in big business, have always colluded and operated asymmetrically. Not always at the same time right enough, but with carefully contrived slight of hand they have the shit systems sewer under control.

We need a complete wipe out of the scum that get to operate in our Federal as well State governments, the non elected department commissars, as well as the big company’s that also miraculously appear to have no ethics or morals among the companies articles of association.

A complete rewrite is required of not only the constitution, but the system we operate under as a society

lotocoti
lotocoti
February 18, 2022 4:01 pm
duncanm
duncanm
February 18, 2022 4:33 pm

lotocotisays:
February 18, 2022 at 4:01 pm
In breaking news: Colonialism Causes Bushfires.

they’re half right.

Traditional burning was replaced by clearing, farmland, and active bush management (hazard reduction through burning and other means) by whitey.

The real blame for recent fires is the greens (read NPWS) reduction of hazard management.

duncanm
duncanm
February 18, 2022 4:34 pm

oh.. and there’s plenty of evidence in various peat swamps around Sydney that there were some pretty catastrophic fires pre. settlement.

bemused
bemused
February 18, 2022 5:07 pm
mem
mem
February 18, 2022 5:51 pm

One day the green zealots will realize that their support of the climate change mantra is putting billions of dollars in the hands of big business whilst ripping off workers and middle class families. Such a clever marketing ploy promulgated as a “save the world opportunity” when the world didn’t need saving at all.

sam1250
sam1250
February 18, 2022 7:09 pm

Thanks Roger
Midnight oil…that’s what we’ll be reduced to burning when the ‘trickery ain’t on at night.

I wonder how many in this place or in Aus have lived in or visited Warakuna I suspect not .Midghtnight oil if you read the words of their song.
Warakuna in my days had only bore water courtsey of a government grant and was almost undrinkable. The largest vehicle dump in Australia until Sims metal came through and crushed thousands of vehicles. Warakuna was just another disfunctional desert community created by Whitlam. Does anybody really want to know the truth any more or do they prefer listening to bands like Midnight Oil.

Damon
Damon
February 18, 2022 8:45 pm

I thought Tuvalu was expected to be well under water by this time.

Louis Litt
Louis Litt
February 19, 2022 1:16 am

Damon – Tavalou – the head of an engineering faculty at adel uni – amazing – said the reason for Tavalou apparent drowning – they built cement roads around the island, they built cement buildings , this is where the sand went – further – the coral is spreading – when high tide comes in it rolls over the coral and dumps its load (man talk), the back swash cannot get past the coral. The result the land level is rising – the water is shallower.

cuckoo
cuckoo
February 19, 2022 8:12 am

And the fact that Victoria has recorded two summers in a row with no bushfires gets no mention at all. Presumably the lockdowns kept the arsonists at home.

Ed Case
Ed Case
February 19, 2022 8:25 am

One day the green zealots will realize that their support of the climate change mantra is putting billions of dollars in the hands of big business

They already know that.
Where do you think their funding originates from?
The man in the street?

sfw
sfw
February 19, 2022 8:35 am

Cuckoo, you’re completely wrong, after a bushfire summer we nearly always revert to cooler wetter summers, eventually the cycle moves and we get warmer drier summers, then fires. The really bad fire years are almost cyclical, you normally have a few hot summers, low rainfall or drought and then northerly winds for a few days, everything is tinder dry, combine the wind, the tinder and off you go. In Buckley’s memoir he talks about the Otway Aborigines using fire against tribes they didn’t like, devastating back then and the same now.

Big_Nambas
Big_Nambas
February 19, 2022 12:09 pm

But I am sure the BOM, even using their manipulated data, said 2021 was coldest year in Australia for 10 years???? Also water level has risen 150MM in Sydney harbor over the more than 100 years of records, as the last 75 years of these records reflect a major upswing in CO2 how come it’s not 15 meters???

As for fires, WA had a very wet year in 2021 and almost no hazard reduction, so of course everyone in media blames climate change for the fires.

Old bloke
Old bloke
February 19, 2022 12:58 pm

Roger says:
February 18, 2022 at 1:11 pm

Midnight oil…that’s what we’ll be reduced to burning when the ‘trickery ain’t on at night.

I thought that we’d be burning beds.

Louis Litt
Louis Litt
February 20, 2022 9:44 am

Ed Case – a colleague – micro biologist by training- sceptical about wind mills and solar panels. He got a contract consulting – to a wind turbine installer- now he is telling me they spin at 200 rpm and what torque that produces.
Yes govt money – I am amazed at all of this .

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
February 21, 2022 9:33 am

Also that petrol is about to run out – we haven’t heard so much of that one lately

I recall in the early 80’s in a Geology lecture listening to the lecturer rattling off the litany of all the resources that would be exhausted in the coming decades. Oil featured pretty early on – well, this was shortly after the 70’s and the oil crises. But also coal, metals, etc.

I remember thinking “You can afford to be smug – you’ll be dead by then and won’t have to live with it.”

Meh, I was young. I believed lecturers and tutors. And why not – I had come from school where my teachers had been professional and apolitical. And while I was aware that Humanities lecturers would be given to saying things for shock value, I thought sciences would have minimal likelihood to match them – tethered to facts and realities and all that.

I was quite naive.

Cool-Snoopy
Cool-Snoopy
February 21, 2022 10:28 am

NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) has a map that illustrates global / regional trends in sea level rise, with arrows representing the direction and magnitude of change.
Select the “Global” button just above the map to see Australia levels.
https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/

Gerry
Gerry
February 21, 2022 10:38 am

Google search results
‘Climate change worse than previously thought’: 3.4 billion
‘Climate change not as bad as previously thought’*: 4.5 million

*’Not as bad’ Information be slightly overstated as the 4th search result is headed: Climate change: It’s even worse than we thought | New Scientist
The consensus is still overwhelming but its still only ‘the science’™ not science

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