Pride cometh before the fall into dissolution

I read today (20 March) in the UK Telegraph that an 81-year-old Tory councillor of Witham town council in Essex England, Angela Kilmartin, has been stood down for a Facebook post. This what she wrote: “I don’t want Pride sex flags along my high street. I don’t even want heterosexual flags along my high street. Sex is for the bedroom and private life, not for displaying preferences in public.” Apparently ‘Pride month’ is coming up in June.

The town council Tory leader Michael Lager, clearly a ponce of the first order, reportedly told the BBC: “We dissociate ourselves totally from the reported remarks of this particular member…We do not tolerate discrimination between people of different faiths, beliefs and all the proactive characteristics set out in the Equality Act 2010, that we respect and promote.”

Incidentally, all of the Telegraph readers that I read were totally on the side of Ms Kilmartin.

Leave aside a couple of things like why any 81-year-old is on Facebook and why Mr Lager has trouble with the English language. This LBTQ+ is getting way out of hand.

When I first saw the gaily-coloured painted roads on and adjacent to George Street Sydney I wondered what was going on. Only later did I twig. Ratepayers, unasked, forked out $150,000, apparently, to paint roads to celebrate Sydney WorldPride, whatever the heck that is.

I assume it’s like the UK’s pride month, referred to above. I don’t know and don’t care. Like Ms Kilmartin I don’t appreciate having atypical sexual preferences thrust in front of me as I’m walking through town.

Like most of us, I have had well-regarded colleagues and have a loved relative who are same-sex attracted. I don’t judge. I’m in no position to judge. I think as a Christian that what same-sex couples do for intimate entertainment is sinful. Join the party of all of humanity. I think it is good thing that societies have become tolerant. Unless someone is harmed, leave judgment to our Lord Jesus Christ.

But tolerance is a long way from celebration. Am I really obliged to celebrate two men marrying and engaging in sodomy. Well I won’t unless they, whoever they are, put a gun to my head. Which the way things are going they might well do. I don’t want my taxes paid to celebrate atypical sexual preferences or, in fact, as Ms Kilmartin argues, any sexual preferences.

Gay Pride is a nonsensical proposition. I found it funny that Ms Kilmartin didn’t want heterosexual flags flying either. Are there any such ridiculous flags. I doubt it and, like the lady, wouldn’t want to see them fluttering in the breeze.

People take pride in all kinds of strange things these days. A proud Aboriginal man or woman we hear all the time; and often from people who have much more European in them than Aboriginality. People who have recovered from alcoholism or drug addiction are often told how proud they must be; what, for causing distress to loved ones for years beforehand? Let me make it clear, I would find it embarrassing to say that I’m proudly heterosexual or a proud Liverpudlian or a proud recoveree from some self-imposed addiction. Give us all a break. Feel self-indulgently proud, if you must, for some personal achievement of note, but even then keep it to yourself.

As C S Lewis put it, pride is the greatest of sins. And he said that in a much more self-effacing age than the one in which we now live. I don’t know what he would have made of gay pride.

21 responses to “Pride cometh before the fall into dissolution”

  1. C.L. Avatar

    Norm Macdonald on “gay pride”:

  2. Wally Dalí Avatar
    Wally Dalí

    I think “losing Womens Spaces” is a red herring here.
    What we should be fighting to remain in control of, is the right of the parent, or common man in the street for that matter, to say “put some clothes on and get out of my children’s school, sports team, main street…” ie to get flaaaming perversity out of public life.
    We might get reasonably secure changerooms and toilets, but Pride round, Pride month, Pride march, Pride workshops, Rainbow schoolrooms, not to mention surgically and pseudo-hormonally deranged she-males rampaging through women’s sports… they can, and will, still trample the wreckage of what was once a perfectly sensible civilization

  3. Wally Dalí Avatar
    Wally Dalí

    Well done Pete, agree wholly.
    (previous comment c&p from the OT… we’re among the cognoscenti here)

  4. Davey Boy Avatar
    Davey Boy

    As was said elsewhere by others, far better than by me,

    someone who uses their sexuality as the centre of how they present themselves to the world, is not someone whom I wish to “celebrate”

  5. Damon Avatar

    I have a family member who is gay. I am happy to celebrate his achievements (which are many) but see no need, nor does he, to celebrate his homosexuality.

  6. Damon Avatar

    What would make a lot more sense would be ‘family pride’. I would love to see hordes of little boys and girls celebrated by marching through Martin Place.

  7. Kneel Avatar

    I DO tolerate the “others”.
    What I find frustrating is that they cannot seem to accept that they are a minority.
    I mean, if even 10% of people (and I don’t think it is that high, but let’s take that at face value) are “non-traditional” (ie, LGB+, Trans etc etc) then if I assume someone is NOT that way inclined, nine times out of ten I am going to correct (on average). If one out of nine “straight” people are offended by my asking if they are not straight, then I am offending as many people by asking as I am by assuming any person is straight!
    Can’t you accept that you are not “usual” in that regard? (NOTE: avoiding “normal” and using “usual”!)
    Can’t you accept that people will assume you are NOT the way you are, and just shrug it off without taking offense and demanding an apology for an honest and understandable mistake?
    If you are the wait-staff at my favourite cafe, I don’t care if you are gay, trans, have purple hair, tats, body piercings etc etc etc – I only care that you provide me with good service, end of story. All the rest is “fluff” in terms of what I want from you – IOW, not relevant. What do I care where it doesn’t directly impact me? Are you really THAT insecure in yourself?

  8. Pyrmonter Avatar

    George Street has been badly, garishly painted to show it is closed. The particular colour combinations are hardly worse than the hoardings used to protect the traffic from the building of Brookfield Place, which looked like my Junior Primary school exercise books.

    This Torygraph reader thinks the term ‘ponce’ a little dated and the sentiments associated with it usually affected.

  9. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Pride and Lust are two of the Seven Sins. Just sayin’.

  10. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John

    Seven Deadly Sins.

  11. jupes Avatar

    In Sydney I noticed a primary school flew two homo/tranny flags at its entrance during “Pride Month”. No doubt it wasn’t the only one. 5 to 12 year olds.

    Nothing whatsoever to be proud of there. Just deeply shameful.

  12. Christine Avatar

    They don’t want tolerance; that’s their grievance – being tolerated.
    To be a powerful minority – that’s what they want.
    I’m entirely sick of them.

  13. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare Avatar
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare

    I am in my eighty-first year (birthday in July), Peter, and we older ladies do get around a bit. Some of us don’t even look the part as we are lively in mind and body. Note too that many older people are on Facebook to keep up with family and friends, and discover politics also lurks there. Some of us even have a long history of political life behind us. 🙂

    With time to search the internet and with a lifetime of experience to remember how it doesn’t have to be like this, we have a lot to give still in public commentary. Good on this active Tory Councillor for calling out the Pride over-reach. We are all fed up with it. It’s up to us older ones to guide the young ones away from civilizational mistakes and back to a more dignified private life lived privately.

  14. Alamak! Avatar

    Demanding ‘respect’ or ‘pride’ or even ‘tolerance’ seems odd. And the more these things are pushed through media, campaigns, overt sloganeering at events held for other reasons such as sport just makes it more clear that we, the majority, are not being asked we are being told what to think and believe.

  15. Boambee John Avatar
    Boambee John


    There are two “absolutely our final demands” to go. First, we must all “celebrate” their lifestyle. Finally, we will all be required to participate.

  16. WesternDecliner Avatar

    Seems reasonable to just follow along. I guess thousands of years learning how societies work, or don’t, should be ignored. In favour of some confused people who cannot reproduce with their selected partners.

  17. LBLoveday Avatar

    Started way back when the time-honoured English word “gay” (The Gay Bachelor, Gay Paree, “The company was gay” from the iconic Herman Hermit’s hit “No Milk Today”…) was usurped to soften the image of homosexuals.

    The re-engineering went so far that the students at my daughter’s school were banned from using “gay” in any context other than referring to a homosexual person or act. During the school holidays before the edict we, with one of her school mates, passed through Wilcannia with its shop windows protected with steel mesh, smashed house windows, wrecked cars, front yards overgrown with weeds … and the girls looked at each other and said “what a gay place”. Can’t have such usage according to the Principal.

    10 years back I went into a small bar for the first time and the Scottish proprietor introduced himself “I’m William, I’m gay”. Why would he think I had any interest in the sexual predilection of a 65yo mine host? Can you imagine a normal pub owner introducing himself “I’m John, I’m straight”?

    I replied “You don’t look very happy”.

  18. Tom Avatar

    The objective of the militant male homosexual movement was always to use state power to force you to proclaim your approval of homosexuality.

    Now that the male homosexual lobby has control of the social media monopolies, it has its wish: in public, everyone is afraid of expressing anything but fawning approval of homosexuality for fear that doing so will cost you our livelihood.

    The only way of ridding us of this full-blown fascism in the public square is for the browbeaten silent majority to rise up and tell our fascist oppressors they don’t represent us and can’t control us.

    It may take years to re-establish democratic freedom in the public square but, with anything less, we are not free people, just servants of fascism as so accurately portrayed by Bill Leak.

  19. Big_Nambas Avatar

    I still hate poofters!

  20. LBLoveday Avatar

    The Australian’s web-site on 22/3 ran an article by Tricia Rivera headed “Two arrested over clash near anti-trans meeting”.

    It has now been changed to “Two arrested over clash near Latham meeting”, but The Australian’s Left bias is becoming stronger and more pronounced by the day.

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