Open Thread – Weekend 10 June 2023


The Master Painter, Jan Verhas, 1876

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Ed Case
Ed Case
June 11, 2023 6:58 pm

There were several of the work colleagues present, wouldn’t you expect at least a couple of them to have noticed?

They’d already left.
Higgins had a Tinder date, that’s the big guy in the white shirt sitting next to her.
He bailed as well.
Eventually it was just Higgins and Lehrmann.
Higgins said she faceplanted at the bar, it was the drunkest she’d ever been.
In other words, she was helpless, and sex was the last thing on her mind.

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 11, 2023 7:00 pm

Ed, shoosh.

PeterM
PeterM
June 11, 2023 7:00 pm

Ed Casesays:
June 11, 2023 at 6:53 pm

Higgins made no claim that Lehrmann took her dress off.
The issue wasn’t canvassed at Trial, so nobody thought it was of any importance.

She was naked. Someone took of the dress. She claimed to be raped. As I suggested in my initial comment, the implication is that Lehrmann took off the dress.

If you or anybody else thinks that this ‘issue’ is unimportant then it doesn’t say much for your reasoning abilities.

JC
JC
June 11, 2023 7:02 pm
feelthebern
feelthebern
June 11, 2023 7:03 pm

Wow.
Trump today confirmed my view that the US will move on Venezuelan energy assets.
He really needs to stop saying the quiet part out aloud.

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 11, 2023 7:04 pm

And in complete nonsense, the 2 sides who have won the most pennants decide to parade their cups around the centre circle.
Last won in 2000 and 1995 respectively. Flogs of sides.

PeterM
PeterM
June 11, 2023 7:04 pm

Ed Casesays:
June 11, 2023 at 6:58 pm
There were several of the work colleagues present, wouldn’t you expect at least a couple of them to have noticed?

They’d already left.

But you said there were witnesses to the alleged pashing.

PeterM
PeterM
June 11, 2023 7:06 pm

Higgins said she faceplanted at the bar, it was the drunkest she’d ever been.

And yet there she was at PH security “skipping like a young calf”.

calli
calli
June 11, 2023 7:10 pm

Min, that had occurred to me also. Removal of clothes is a symptom, or result if you like.

Alamak!
Alamak!
June 11, 2023 7:12 pm

Higgins made no claim that Lehrmann took her dress off.
The issue wasn’t canvassed at Trial, so nobody thought it was of any importance.

It doesn’t pass any kind of test (pub, common sense, civil, criminal) for a trial on consensual sex not to present at least some detail on how the alleged event took place e.g. “we sat on the couch, had a drink and then …”

This whole mess has turned “#metoo” and “believe women” from useful reforms of the system into ironic jokes and political games. Thanks to Albo, Penny Wong, Katie Gallagher and the lefty media for destroying multiple cases in the future by weaponizing just one case before the election.

And all of them supported by fellow-travellers like Head Case. Congratulate yourself Sir on making the next 10 years of alleged sexual assaults harder to prosecute and more difficult to bring to trial.

Buccaneer
Buccaneer
June 11, 2023 7:13 pm

Higgins said she faceplanted at the bar, it was the drunkest she’d ever been.

And yet there is no video footage of that and she was aware enough at ph to realise that Bruce had moved on from security and that she needed to avoid putting her shoes on to keep up with him. Presumably because she knew there was video at security and if Bruce left her behind, her story was toast.

Min
Min
June 11, 2023 7:13 pm

Lehrman bill at the drinks place was $40 that does not buy many drinks.

JC
JC
June 11, 2023 7:14 pm

Trump today confirmed my view that the US will move on Venezuelan energy assets.
He really needs to stop saying the quiet part out aloud.

Explain that, Bern. Is this some about the frozen assets?

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 11, 2023 7:16 pm

Venezuela has more energy than Saudi Arabia.
Two thirds of the proven reserves are off shore.
The US are going liberate those assets.
Trump said as much today in a speech, that the plans were on the table while he was in office.

calli
calli
June 11, 2023 7:20 pm

Hmm. I scored a ‘0’ for the clothes removal comment. I must be directly over the target.

Min, I suspect a cocktail of a bit of drink and a little helper.

Alamak!
Alamak!
June 11, 2023 7:22 pm

Trump said as much today in a speech, that the plans were on the table while he was in office.

Trump and his mouth again. He will say anything to keep his profile high leading up to elections. Others can judge if that makes him a good politician or not.

calli
calli
June 11, 2023 7:25 pm

And, yes. On a $40 bar tab, the little helper was self administered rather than a mickey finn. Just to make things lively. Silly bugger.

calli
calli
June 11, 2023 7:26 pm

Ahaha! Another ‘0’.

Over the target again.

Miltonf
Miltonf
June 11, 2023 7:29 pm

Is it just me or is it onevery 2nd or 3rd week it’s another billion or two to Zelinsky. Where does this money come from? Are they printing it?

rosie
rosie
June 11, 2023 7:34 pm

A little helper sounds pretty cliched to me.
What was she supposed to have taken that late in theevening?
A little blue pill?
Besides which, if you want to jazz your evening up, you take something before you go out, not at 2am when things are winding up.

rosie
rosie
June 11, 2023 7:36 pm

On the other hand it’s 2 am, you’ve been up since 7 am, had s couple of drinks, maybe you’re just dog tired.
An outlandish theory, right?

calli
calli
June 11, 2023 7:37 pm

Rosie, you may be au fait with the things kids take more than me. In that cesspool, who knows? I just know one of the results of one of the many horrible things kids take for kicks. Much to my horror.

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 11, 2023 7:38 pm

FMD Essendon v Carlton is very, very poor.

Tom
Tom
June 11, 2023 7:39 pm

Over the target again.

Calli, you’re not “over the target”. There’s a glitch in the software.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 11, 2023 7:41 pm

Grandpa Cletus

Higgins said she faceplanted at the bar, it was the drunkest she’d ever been.
In other words, she was helpless, and sex was the last thing on her mind.

Yet the evidence of the Security video at Parliament House clearly shows someone able to walk without staggering, and to take her high heels off without falling over.

Dare to consider the possibility that Mizzz Knickerless might have been embellishing her story in retrospect.

Mark from Melbourne
Mark from Melbourne
June 11, 2023 7:42 pm

Rosie, these days the standard “little helper” takes about 20 minutes. And blue pills have nothing to do with it, unless by accident of colour.

calli
calli
June 11, 2023 7:43 pm

Tom, I get the caching issue. Bespoke and I discussed it.

Please don’t burst my balloon of being a seer of epic proportions. My ego will wither on the vine and die. 😀

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 11, 2023 7:43 pm

She was naked. Someone took of the dress. She claimed to be raped. As I suggested in my initial comment, the implication is that Lehrmann took off the dress.

No.
Your initial comment was that Higgins claimed Lehrmann removed her dress.
I pointed out that Higgins made no such claim, and since then you’ve doubled down on stupid.
Several times.

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 11, 2023 7:47 pm

Your initial comment was that Higgins claimed Lehrmann removed her dress.
I pointed out that Higgins made no such claim, and since then you’ve doubled down on stupid.
Several times.

Another inference.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 11, 2023 7:49 pm

Lehrman bill at the drinks place was $40 that does not buy many drinks.

Correct.
Higgins had invited her colleagues for drinks.
In other words, it was her Drinks tab until she said
everyone was on their own.
Lehrmann paid for his own drinks.
As Security at PH said, he was mostly sober.

flyingduk
flyingduk
June 11, 2023 7:49 pm

Did he factor into his analysis that during recessions and for years afterwards excess mortality exists?

Yes, he did, he is a ‘quant’ , a numbers guy who made his money noticing arithmetic trends and investing appropriately.

He calculates ‘sigma’ , or multiples of standard deviation away from the mean that an observation is. In the case of mortality/morbidity claims for the healthiest segment of the insurance market (those in paid work), even small increases in claim rates – say 5% are unusual, even in calamitous times, eg war.

Dowd found ‘6-9 sigma’ increases in claims for the above group, events that would occur by chance only once in billions of years. Furthermore, given the age and health status of insured workers, who were on average 40 or so years younger than the typical 85yo covid patient at death, he concludes it was NOT Covid that did it (as very few insured workers died or became disabled by it). He also clearly links the rise in worker disablity and death claims to the period *after* the vax rollout, which was quite a bit later than the arrival of COVID.

His stuff is compelling , if you get a chance to read it, as was Dr Peter McCulloughs testimony to the Pen Senate a few days back – its an hour long, but is probably the most succinct and evidence backed synopsis of the whole COVID vax adverse event debacle.

https://petermcculloughmd.substack.com/p/dr-mccullough-testifies-in-the-pennsylvania

PeterM
PeterM
June 11, 2023 7:50 pm

PeterMsays:
June 11, 2023 at 5:57 pm
Higgin’s implicit claim that Lehrmann undressed her …

Ed Casesays:
June 11, 2023 at 7:43 pm
Your initial comment was that Higgins claimed Lehrmann removed her dress.

Embrace the power of ‘implicit’.

flyingduk
flyingduk
June 11, 2023 7:54 pm

Trump and his mouth again. He will say anything to keep his profile high leading up to elections.

Quite, he is still rabbiting on with tosh about making his country great again FFS – almost as bad as Pauline Hanson saying ‘well I just love my country’ during her first election campaign!

PeterM
PeterM
June 11, 2023 7:54 pm

Ed Casesays:
June 11, 2023 at 7:49 pm
Lehrman bill at the drinks place was $40 that does not buy many drinks.

Correct.
Higgins had invited her colleagues for drinks.

I’ve learnt from Ed tonight that Higgins was on a Tinder date, and that she was shouting the work group. Why haven’t I heard either of these revelations before now?

cohenite
June 11, 2023 7:54 pm

Dr Joanna Howe is a Professor of Law at the University of Adelaide and a consultant with Harmers Workplace Lawyers.

She’s also a strong opponent of late term and live birth abortions and the laws which prevent any assistance to the poor little buggars who survive the abortion and are then left to die. The bastards responsible for this in victoristan, nsw and qld should have hot pipes stuck up their arses. The good Dr was on Stoker tonight and became visibly disturbed as she articulated this disgusting state of filth.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 11, 2023 7:56 pm

Higgins had worked in Defence Industry for Ciobo, she was familiar with the office.
Ciobo decided to retire at the Election, so he let most of his staff go and moved to the backbench, but he kept Higgins.
Anyway, Ciobo was a Defence witness at the Trial but wasn’t called.
You’d hafta wonder what he was going to say?

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 11, 2023 7:56 pm

A fine edit:

The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou directed by Wes Anderson
Music: David Bowie – Life on Mars? (“The Life Aquatic” Official Soundtrack)

David Bowie – Life On Mars?

flyingduk
flyingduk
June 11, 2023 7:59 pm

Is it just me or is it onevery 2nd or 3rd week it’s another billion or two to Zelinsky. Where does this money come from? Are they printing it?

If they dont have the funds in a savings account*, they are either borrowing or printing it – its amounts to the same thing really, as borrowings have to be paid back from future taxation, and printing it causes inflation which is paid for by stealing money from the citizens savings and wages, making it the same as taxation also.

* Clue: the current US budget deficit is ~ 1.4 Trillion and their national debt is ~ 31 Trillion.

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 11, 2023 8:01 pm

I’ve learnt from Ed tonight that Higgins was on a Tinder date, and that she was shouting the work group. Why haven’t I heard either of these revelations before now?

Because Ed is talking out of his arse.

Alamak!
Alamak!
June 11, 2023 8:03 pm

Because Ed is talking out of his arse.

He doesn’t know the difference between oracle and orifice.

rosie
rosie
June 11, 2023 8:06 pm

I’m confused at your comment Mark, 20 minutes for what?
I’m wondering why people are speculating that she took ‘something’ at 2 am.
I don’t think it’s particularly helpful to add in something that has never been in the mix.
Most of the time young women make claims about having been slipped something because that is preferable to admitting they have gotten themselves so incredibly drunk.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 11, 2023 8:07 pm

Is it just me or is it onevery 2nd or 3rd week it’s another billion or two to Zelinsky. Where does this money come from? Are they printing it?
He’s getting paid in weapons.
Which he blows up.
Or sells in Asia.
It’s a Loan, and once there’s so few Uke males 16-50 left that it doesn’t matter anymore, The US Army will be going to Ukraine to get their money, in the form of farmland, forestry, women & children and Minerals.
It’s pretty close now.

PeterM
PeterM
June 11, 2023 8:09 pm

Ed Casesays:
June 11, 2023 at 7:49 pm

Lehrmann paid for his own drinks.

But didn’t Higgin’s give evidence that Lehrmann was buying the drinks for her and the group which remained?

rosie
rosie
June 11, 2023 8:09 pm

It wasn’t tinder, it was some girl power dating app.

rosie
rosie
June 11, 2023 8:10 pm

Ms Higgins could be seen on her phone, and the court was told she had organised a Bumble date for the evening.

She moved away from the main group at 8.20pm to meet her date outside the bar before bringing him inside to introduce him to everyone at the table.

He sat with the group of mainly parliamentary staff, but seemed to disappear before 8.52pm, when Ms Higgins joined another table with Mr Lehrmann and two others.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 11, 2023 8:10 pm

Most of the time young women make claims about having been slipped something because that is preferable to admitting they have gotten themselves so incredibly drunk.

Perth coppers had to run a campaign a few years ago, urging young women to learn their capacity for alcohol – they had investigated many claims of “drink spiking” that were unfounded.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 11, 2023 8:11 pm

The Beauty Of:

The cinematography of David Lean’s work

All DoP : Ernest Day, Freddie Young, Jack Hildyard, Guy Green, Robert Krasker & Ronald Neame

Song : Royal Pendant – Power Hauss

The Beauty Of David Lean

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

I’ve learnt … tonight that Higgins was on a Tinder date, and that she was shouting the work group. Why haven’t I heard either of these revelations before now?

Neither had I, until last Sunday night when it was on TV, in Our Britnee herself’s own words, she said those exactly that to the Amphibian during the hours & hours & hours of interviews.

“I was on a tinder date” and the date himself turns up & is on the CCTV at the pub.

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

Perth coppers had to run a campaign a few years ago, urging young women to learn their capacity for alcohol – they had investigated many claims of “drink spiking” that were unfounded.

Average drink spike & doseage: Vodka Cruiser x 12

Miltonf
Miltonf
June 11, 2023 8:13 pm

The bastards responsible for this in victoristan, nsw and qld should have hot pipes stuck up their arses.

Yes shameful. The meja love to make these abortion ‘doctor’ anti heros.
Like Wilfred Burchett .

Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Govt Covid Stupidity

It wasn’t tinder, it was some girl power dating app.

Lol, she even actually told two different version of that?
Channel 7 played her saying “I was on a Tinder Date... [blah blah blah]..”

PeterM
PeterM
June 11, 2023 8:15 pm

Ed Casesays:
June 11, 2023 at 7:56 pm

Anyway, Ciobo was a Defence witness at the Trial but wasn’t called.
You’d hafta wonder what he was going to say?

He was a Defence witness so one would assume that his evidence would be favourable to the Defence.

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 11, 2023 8:16 pm

But didn’t Higgin’s give evidence that Lehrmann was buying the drinks for her and the group which remained?

Okay.
Was he paying cash, d’you think?

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 11, 2023 8:21 pm

So, what was the steamcleaning of the couch and the Office immediately afterward all about if it wasn’t to destroy DNA evidence?
Who ordered the Steamclean?

Buccaneer
Buccaneer
June 11, 2023 8:22 pm

Ed’s job here is to introduce misinformation to the blog so it gets repeated and discredits everyone here.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 11, 2023 8:22 pm

No wonder you weren’t called at trial Groogs. Your invoice still outstanding?

C.L.
C.L.
June 11, 2023 8:23 pm

My late Dad once asked me if it was possible to get a street address on “that television” (my laptop).

Now it’s me wondering it it’s possible to get love on a “bumble.”

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 11, 2023 8:24 pm

Still a great video Rabz. The ball from Henderson to Salah is sublime

Crossie
Crossie
June 11, 2023 8:25 pm

cohenite says:
June 11, 2023 at 7:54 pm
Dr Joanna Howe is a Professor of Law at the University of Adelaide and a consultant with Harmers Workplace Lawyers.
She’s also a strong opponent of late term and live birth abortions and the laws which prevent any assistance to the poor little buggars who survive the abortion and are then left to die. The bastards responsible for this in victoristan, nsw and qld should have hot pipes stuck up their arses. The good Dr was on Stoker tonight and became visibly disturbed as she articulated this disgusting state of filth.

It was that “deeply privately Christian” premier Gladys who birthed the late term abortion law for NSW.

John H.
John H.
June 11, 2023 8:26 pm

flyingduksays:
June 11, 2023 at 7:49 pm
Did he factor into his analysis that during recessions and for years afterwards excess mortality exists?

Yes, he did, he is a ‘quant’ , a numbers guy who made his money noticing arithmetic trends and investing appropriately.

Which prior recessions did he use for comparison purposes?

Ed Case
Ed Case
June 11, 2023 8:27 pm

The reason Higgins took a date is that she didn’t want Lehrmann bothering her, but it looks like the date sussed what was happening and bailed.
By that time Higgins was pretty drunk and she faceplanted about 10 minutes later.

132andBush
132andBush
June 11, 2023 8:28 pm

calli says:
June 11, 2023 at 3:01 pm

If you come out as an INFJ, you’ll probably not be gaming it. All the questions/answers that lead to it are the least appealing and most anti-social. No wonder there are only 0.03% of us.

Yep.
Very exhausting sometimes.

cohenite
June 11, 2023 8:30 pm

What cup size are you crotchless/briteree, now that you have hit the carbs and put on about 20 kilos.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 11, 2023 8:30 pm

Posting again for those that missed it. Powerful clip.

A snapshot hard to ignore.

BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN – STREETS OF PHILADELPHIA – Subtítulos en Español – volandoconalas

flyingduk
flyingduk
June 11, 2023 8:31 pm

It’s a Loan, and once there’s so few Uke males 16-50 left that it doesn’t matter anymore, The US Army will be going to Ukraine to get their money, in the form of farmland, forestry, women & children and Minerals.
It’s pretty close now.

Loans are assets to the lender, and the US might find that ‘asset’ has a new owner when they get there….

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 11, 2023 8:31 pm

Average drink spike & doseage: Vodka Cruiser x 12

Certain parents were the worst offenders – THEIR little girl must have had her drink spiked…..she would never have got that drunk….

flyingduk
flyingduk
June 11, 2023 8:33 pm

So, what was the steamcleaning of the couch and the Office immediately afterward all about if it wasn’t to destroy DNA evidence?
Who ordered the Steamclean?

The most compelling site for DNA evidence was in the hands* of Ms Britney – yet she chose to wait until that was lost as well…..

*yes, I know, ‘phrasing’.

cohenite
June 11, 2023 8:33 pm

It was that “deeply privately Christian” premier Gladys who birthed the late term abortion law for NSW.

Yep, our glad, ugly on the outside, uglier inside. She was acting to gain the support of the poofta now tangling with Latham. In fact greenwich gave the live birth abortion bill to glad and it is this as much as anything else which started the feud between the poofta and Latham since Latham is old school anti abortion.

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
June 11, 2023 8:36 pm

There is no question of the cleaning of Reynolds’ office being a conspiracy to interfere with a crime scene, Ed Case, because Ms Higgins made no complaint alleging criminal conduct until much later.

Conveniently for her, of course, that would have destroyed any forensic evidence that might have proved or – more to the point – disproved her allegations.

Buccaneer
Buccaneer
June 11, 2023 8:37 pm

There was no steam clean of the office, that was the evidence the cleaner gave in the trial, that was embellishment to support the media narrative

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 11, 2023 8:39 pm

Who’s worse. The freaks on stage or those taking kids to watch them?

THIS WEEK IN CULTURE 152

JC
JC
June 11, 2023 8:39 pm

Cronkers

Are still using Grindr for those “cute owl” dates ?

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
June 11, 2023 8:40 pm

Whatever you say Ed.
The Vagina Monologues.

C.L.
C.L.
June 11, 2023 8:41 pm

The good Dr was on Stoker tonight and became visibly disturbed as she articulated this disgusting state of filth.

Excellent segment by Stoker. More than 700 babies were left to die in this country between 2012 and 2020 (they’re only the ones that we know about; reporting of this isn’t mandatory in all states and territories).

In one case discussed tonight, a healthy baby was left in a sink. She took 80 minutes to die. Told what happened, the aborting ‘doctor’ replied to the reporting nurse, “so?”

He should be de-registered, prosecuted and jailed for life.

cohenite
June 11, 2023 8:42 pm

Are still using Grindr for those “cute owl” dates ?

I know you have reactive syndrome HP and really love my cute owls while pretending to despise them. But you’re wasting time. I reckon crotchless is really briternnneee, so use your great interrogation techniques to get him/her to admit it.

chrisl
chrisl
June 11, 2023 8:44 pm

Richmond player Pickett in custody in Perth on burgulary charges

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 11, 2023 8:45 pm

He should be de-registered, prosecuted and jailed for life.

I’d serve on the firing party that shot the murderous prick at dawn, and go on to eat a hearty breakfast, with every evidence of enjoyment.

JC
JC
June 11, 2023 8:52 pm

The official RBA definition is about the same for Australia. In the US, the official definition of a recession is not two negative GDP quarters as people generally believe. It’s this:

The *NBER defines a recession as a period between a peak and a trough in the business cycle where there is a significant decline in economic activity spread across the economy that can last from a few months to more than a year.

We’re in one now as the decline has been pretty significant.

*National Bureau of Economic Research | NBER

132andBush
132andBush
June 11, 2023 8:55 pm

In one case discussed tonight, a healthy baby was left in a sink. She took 80 minutes to die. Told what happened, the aborting ‘doctor’ replied to the reporting nurse, “so?”

Barbarity.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 11, 2023 8:57 pm

Grandpa Cletus

Anyway, Ciobo was a Defence witness at the Trial but wasn’t called.
You’d hafta wonder what he was going to say?

Recall your reference to the issue of who removed the dress earlier:

The issue wasn’t canvassed at Trial, so nobody thought it was of any importance.

Give up on the red herrings.

PeterM
PeterM
June 11, 2023 8:57 pm

Ed Casesays:
June 11, 2023 at 8:16 pm
But didn’t Higgin’s give evidence that Lehrmann was buying the drinks for her and the group which remained?

Okay.
Was he paying cash, d’you think?

I dunno Ed, I only found out he was paying for his own drinks at 7:49pm

Ed Casesays:
June 11, 2023 at 7:49 pm

Lehrmann paid for his own drinks.

bons
bons
June 11, 2023 8:59 pm

Media would have us believe that ‘girls shooting a few shots’ to get he buzz before launching into the night is a statement of female liberation.
The inevitable adverse consequences, we are told, are exclusively due to predatory male culture.
Those advocating this idiocy have obviously never been called out in the middle of the night to find, muster, sometimes supress, and deliver these creatures to their homes or colleges.
Give me a cattle crate of drunken boys any time.

Miltonf
Miltonf
June 11, 2023 9:00 pm

In one case discussed tonight, a healthy baby was left in a sink. She took 80 minutes to die. Told what happened, the aborting ‘doctor’ replied to the reporting nurse, “so?”

A lot of the people in my year of High Skool who went into medicine weren’t particularly pleasant individuals. Full of themselves and up themselves. One of them is quite well known and not a good person.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 11, 2023 9:01 pm

Ed Casesays:
June 11, 2023 at 8:16 pm
But didn’t Higgin’s give evidence that Lehrmann was buying the drinks for her and the group which remained?

Okay.
Was he paying cash, d’you think?

You tell us, you claim to know everything about the case, Ed.

Razey
Razey
June 11, 2023 9:01 pm

OpenAi is pretty stupid. I asked: write a short story on consciousness and how one knows they are conscious that they are conscious.

It had no idea what I was talking about.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 11, 2023 9:03 pm

Ed Casesays:
June 11, 2023 at 8:21 pm
So, what was the steamcleaning of the couch and the Office immediately afterward all about if it wasn’t to destroy DNA evidence?
Who ordered the Steamclean?

Earlier you told us it was standard procedure. Is it in the Parliament House Cleaning Manual?

PS, still no link to the Parliament House Security Manual or the Protocol Manual. Get onto it.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 11, 2023 9:03 pm

Average drink spike & doseage: Vodka Cruiser x 12

Yep.

1 through 7: ‘This is fun’
8 through 10: ‘Oho, this is sneaking up on me.’
11: Either a) ‘I really like that guy’ or b) ‘I’ll show my ex I’ve still got what it takes’ or c) ‘That bloke’s talking to THAT BITCH so I’ll flirt with him’
12+: ‘nnnngngngngnng’

12 hours later: ‘My drink was spiked!’

Razey
Razey
June 11, 2023 9:05 pm

Every human is conscious that they are conscious. AI can never comprehend the profoundness of this simple truth. AI can never be in this condition.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 11, 2023 9:05 pm

Grandpa Cletus

Higgins was pretty drunk and she faceplanted about 10 minutes later.

Link to the CCTV in the bar, or you just made that “faceplanted” up.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 11, 2023 9:06 pm

Those advocating this idiocy have obviously never been called out in the middle of the night to find, muster, sometimes supress, and deliver these creatures to their homes or colleges.

Those advocating this idiocy have never had a security job that involve “hens” nights. Some of the goings on would have made the Emperor Caligula blush…

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 11, 2023 9:08 pm

Dragon energy from Cats today on Brih-nee the Eclair Queen.

Ed October, once again is flying the Imbecility Pride Flag from the bunker.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 11, 2023 9:08 pm

flyingduksays:
June 11, 2023 at 8:33 pm
So, what was the steamcleaning of the couch and the Office immediately afterward all about if it wasn’t to destroy DNA evidence?
Who ordered the Steamclean?

The most compelling site for DNA evidence was in the hands* of Ms Britney – yet she chose to wait until that was lost as well…..

*yes, I know, ‘phrasing’.

Don’t say that. Head Case will be telling us next that steam cleaning that site was included in the standard Parliament House Cleaning Manual.

Miltonf
Miltonf
June 11, 2023 9:15 pm

Another meja anti hero

Razey
Razey
June 11, 2023 9:21 pm

Wondering when OpenAI is going to go bolt up DN1200 flanges on a new water pipe.

What a joke.

cohenite
June 11, 2023 9:25 pm

PML very impressed with the Mar-a-Lago indictment; this is serious and nothing like Trump has had to face before he intones. I’m beginning to think he’s a fu.king idiot. And he looks like death warmed up. Is he sick?

JC
JC
June 11, 2023 9:26 pm

Razey says:
June 11, 2023 at 9:05 pm

Every human is conscious that they are conscious. AI can never comprehend the profoundness of this simple truth. AI can never be in this condition.

Just wait 5 years of less and you hope no one sees the comment you made. AI will develop consciousness, which is actually pretty scary in itself. The cat is out of the bag on this one.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 11, 2023 9:26 pm

These blokes are bonkers and brilliant.

Milwaukee Senior TT – Highlights | 2023 Isle of Man TT Races

Buccaneer
Buccaneer
June 11, 2023 9:27 pm

There was no steam cleaning, Britknee wore the dress again, Monica Lewinsky didn’t, anyone with a a brain can do the math, Ed is not here in good faith.

JC
JC
June 11, 2023 9:29 pm

Here’s Manhattan Contrarian on the Trump indictment. He was a senior partner at a large NYC law firm until he retired.

Thoughts On The Federal Trump Indictment: It’s Shockingly Weak

https://www.manhattancontrarian.com/blog/2023-6-10-thoughts-on-the-federal-trump-indictment-its-shockingly-weak

Dot
Dot
June 11, 2023 9:30 pm

PML is very fat so he’s technically poisoning himself and has syndrome X and is more vulnerable to cancer.

JC
JC
June 11, 2023 9:32 pm

The money shot.

Now, you might think that, in evaluating whether a case against Trump might have those elements, it would be rather critical to consider the importance of the Presidential Records Act of 1978. That is the statute that made presidential records the property of the government (previously they were understood to be the personal property of the President or former President). But in making presidential records the property of the government, the act contained this rather important carve-out (22 U.S.C. Section 2205(3)):

Notwithstanding any restrictions on access imposed pursuant to sections 2204 and 2208 of this title . . . (3) the Presidential records of a former President shall be available to such former President or the former President’s designated representative.

Somehow the indictment that has been issued does not anywhere mention this section.

Alamak!
Alamak!
June 11, 2023 9:32 pm

Every human is conscious that they are conscious

an old discussion … can anyone define “consciousness”? As regards AI, the relevant word is probably sentience, although thats equally hard to define.

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 11, 2023 9:34 pm

Whatever you say Ed.
The Vagina Monologues

Excellent work to win the interwebs today Farmer Gez.
Your effort is plus several hundred thousands more than Carlton tonight.

Dot
Dot
June 11, 2023 9:36 pm

“serpentza” has an intriguing video on Chinese pollution regulation being gamed.

“The land of the shortcut and the facade” has local government workers spraying rocks and dead trees green and planting rocks on steel rebar (fake cotton) to fool CCP officials from Bejing to support falsified air quality etc figures.

Such a shame. China had a beautiful countryside once.

Crossie
Crossie
June 11, 2023 9:40 pm

Paul Murray on Sky claims before he reports on him he has to reveal that he is on the Trump train, his usual expression. Yeah sure Paul, it doesn’t look good when you condescend on to your audience.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 11, 2023 9:42 pm

India underwhelming in the World Test Championship.

Kohli and Jadeja went in the same over from Boland. The rest dogged it, and the match finished with a mis-time reverse sweep from a number 11 to leave the call centre employees 209 runs short.

Oh my word.

Razey
Razey
June 11, 2023 9:43 pm

Alamak!says:
June 11, 2023 at 9:32 pm
Every human is conscious that they are conscious

an old discussion … can anyone define “consciousness”? As regards AI, the relevant word is probably sentience, although thats equally hard to define.

No need to define it. All humans are conscious that they are conscious, it is elementary and not debatable. AI will never be in this state, nor ever understand it. Humans >> AI, always.

John H.
John H.
June 11, 2023 9:43 pm

Dotsays:
June 11, 2023 at 9:36 pm
“serpentza” has an intriguing video on Chinese pollution regulation being gamed.

“The land of the shortcut and the facade” has local government workers spraying rocks and dead trees green and planting rocks on steel rebar (fake cotton) to fool CCP officials from Bejing to support falsified air quality etc figures.

Such a shame. China had a beautiful countryside once.

One of the saddest and funniest demonstrations they had was how Chinese citizens would fork out money to be allowed to photograph “natural environments”. They would have smoke being used to look like mist with a wandering animal in view or a fisherman in a traditional boat paddling along a stream. It is tragic that the environment has been so destroyed and it is equally tragic that the Chinese revel in the idea of spending money to take those photographs.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 11, 2023 9:45 pm

West Aussie copper, who was knocked over by a stolen car, and dragged underneath it, four days ago, had the life support turned off today…

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 11, 2023 9:47 pm

Anthony Woods: Police officer hit and crushed in horror Ascot arrest dies
The West Australian
Sun, 11 June 2023 5:42PM
Sarah Steger

The young police officer who was run over and trapped beneath a suspected stolen car while trying to apprehend the driver has died.

The loved ones of Anthony Woods — the 28-year-old constable — made the heart-wrenching decision to switch off his life support, almost four days after he was rushed to Royal Perth Hospital in a critical condition.

The young constable sustained catastrophic injuries early on Thursday morning when the driver of a car with stolen number plates which he and his senior colleague had just pulled over allegedly reversed over him in the inner-eastern Perth suburb of Ascot.

JC
JC
June 11, 2023 9:49 pm

This weekend, the Economist ran an interesting piece dealing directly with consciousness.

The hard problem

“I THINK, therefore I am.” René Descartes’ aphorism has become a cliché. But it cuts to the core of perhaps the greatest question posed to science: what is consciousness? The other phenomena described in this series of briefs—time and space, matter and energy, even life itself—look tractable. They can be measured and objectified, and thus theorised about. Consciousness, by contrast, is subjective. As Descartes’ observation suggests, a conscious being knows he is conscious. But he cannot know that any other being is. Other apparently conscious individuals might be zombies programmed to behave as if they were conscious, without actually being so.

In reality, it is unlikely that even those who advance this proposition truly believe it, as far as their fellow humans are concerned. Cross the species barrier, however, and matters become muddier. Are chimpanzees conscious? Dogs? Codfish? Bees? It is hard to know how to ask them the question in a meaningful way.

Moreover, consciousness is not merely a property of having a complex, active brain, for it can vanish temporarily, even while the brain is healthy and functional. Most people spend a third of their lives in the state described as “sleep”. Unless awoken while dreaming, they have no sense of being conscious during these periods. Recordings of the brain’s electrical activity show, though, that a sleeping brain is often as busy as one that is awake. Subjective though it is, consciousness therefore looks like a specific phenomenon, not a mere side-effect. That suggests it has evolved, and has a biological purpose. These things—specificity and purpose—give researchers something to hang on to.

A lot of brain science relies on looking at brains that are broken. Studying consciousness is no exception. One of the most intriguing examples has emerged from work, started in the early 1970s by Lawrence Weiskrantz of Oxford University, on a phenomenon called blindsight.

Blindsight is occasionally found in those whose blindness is caused by damage to the visual cortex of the brain, perhaps by a stroke or tumour, rather than by damage to the eyes or optic nerves. Those who have blindsight have no conscious awareness of being able to see. They are nevertheless able to point to, and even grasp, objects in their visual fields.

Blindsight is an example of how brain damage can abolish the conscious experience of a phenomenon (in this case vision) without abolishing the phenomenon itself. Conversely, apparently full consciousness can be retained in the absence of quite important parts of the brain. One example of this is the case of a Chinese woman born without a cerebellum. This is a structure at the back of the brain which co-ordinates movement. The woman in question thus finds it awkward to move around. But she is completely conscious and is able to describe her experiences. Unlike the visual cortex, then, the cerebellum has no apparent role in generating consciousness.

Observations like this have led to a search for the neural correlates of consciousness—the bits of the brain responsible for generating conscious experience. One of particular interest is the claustrum. This is a candidate because of its extensive connections with other parts of the brain. A crucial property of consciousness is that it integrates many sorts of experience, both sensory and internally generated. Discovering how this integration happens is known as the binding problem. In 2005 a paper published by Francis Crick (posthumously, for he had died the previous year) and Christof Koch (who now works at the Allen Institute for Brain Science, in Seattle) looked at the binding problem. The two researchers lit upon the claustrum as something that might help illuminate it.

The claustra (there are two, one in each cerebral hemisphere—see diagram) are thin sheets of nerve cells tucked below the cerebral cortex that have connections both to and from almost every area of the cortex. They are the only structures that link the various parts of the cortex in this way. Crick and Dr Koch suggested they act like orchestral conductors, co-ordinating the activities of the cortical components and thus solving the binding problem.

Doing experiments to test this idea is hard, for the procedures needed (such as the implantation of electrodes) would be intrusive, risky and thus unethical for the mere satisfaction of curiosity. But one such experiment has happened by accident.

In 2014 Mohamad Koubeissi, an American neurologist, was trying to hunt down the origin of the epilepsy suffered by one of his patients. To do so he implanted electrodes into her brain—permissible in view of her condition’s seriousness. When he placed one near one of her claustra and switched the current on, she lost consciousness. When he switched the current off, she regained it. When he repeated the procedure several times, he got the same result on each occasion.

Another phenomenon correlated with consciousness, which some think may help solve the binding problem, is a pattern of electrical impulses, known as gamma waves, which beat at an average frequency of 40Hz, in synchrony in different parts of a person’s brain. They are strongest during conscious concentration on tasks, are always present when someone is conscious, and largely disappear when he is asleep, unless he is dreaming. Many neuroscientists suspect gamma waves’ synchrony means they are acting like the clock in a computer processor, co-ordinating the activities of disparate parts of the brain—in other words, binding them together.

Yet another neural correlate of consciousness is the temporoparietal junction. Damage to this part of the brain, or use of a technique called transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS) to deactivate it temporarily, creates intriguing effects. In particular, it can cause out-of-body experiences in which a person’s conscious perception of himself appears (from his point of view) to detach itself from his body.

TMS of the temporoparietal junction also reduces someone’s ability to empathise with the mental states of others. That suggests this part of the brain helps generate “theory of mind”—the ability to recognise that other creatures, too, have minds. Some see this link as more than coincidence. Seeking an evolutionary explanation for consciousness, they suggest that an animal which can model another’s behaviour can gain an advantage by anticipating it. They further suggest that, since the only model available to a mind that wishes to understand another’s is itself, a theory of mind necessarily requires self-awareness. In other words, consciousness.

This bears on the question of how it might be possible to find out if non-human animals are conscious. If being conscious requires the self-awareness that having a theory of mind implies, then those with it might be expected to be able to recognise themselves in a mirror.

Human babies are able to do so from the age of 18 months. That was well-known in 1970, when Gordon Gallup of the State University of New York, Albany, tried the experiment on three other primate species. Previous research had suggested that most animals, when they see themselves in a mirror, respond as to a stranger—often aggressively—and seem unable to learn, no matter how long the mirror is there, to do otherwise. Dr Gallup found that this was indeed true for two species of macaque monkey. But chimpanzees soon learned that the image in the mirror was a reflection of themselves, and even used it as a person might, to assist grooming.
To hold, as ’twere, the mirror up to nature

Subsequent mirror studies have looked at bonobos, gorillas, orang-utans, gibbons, many other monkeys, elephants, dogs, dolphins and various birds. Bonobos, orang-utans, elephants, dolphins and magpies react in ways that might be interpreted as self-recognition. Gorillas, gibbons, monkeys, dogs and pigeons do not.

Although some psychologists question the value of the mirror test (dogs, for example, rely heavily on smell rather than vision for individual identification, so may simply be uninterested in images of themselves), it does suggest the capacity for self-recognition has emerged independently in animals with differently organised brains. If the phenomenon’s neural correlates could be identified in those brains—admittedly a hard task—then comparative studies might be possible. That would be valuable, as it is difficult to do good science when only one example is available.

And yet. Finding the neural correlates of consciousness, or even understanding what it is for and how it evolved, does not truly address the question of what it actually is—of what it is people are experiencing while they are conscious. This question has come to be known as the “hard problem” of consciousness.

It was so dubbed in 1995, by David Chalmers, an Australian philosopher, and the name encapsulates both the fact that it is hard to resolve and that its resolution is the heart of the matter. Merely calling it hard does not really help the investigator to think about it, but the work of another philosopher, Thomas Nagel, perhaps does. In 1974 Dr Nagel, an American, posed the problem in a novel way, in a paper called, “What is it like to be a bat?”

For the sake of this thought experiment Dr Nagel assumed bats have conscious experience of the world. If they do, though, he suggested that it will be built largely on the basis of a sense—echolocation—which human beings do not possess. A human might, Dr Nagel posits, plausibly imagine some parts of a bat’s experience, such as hanging upside down for long periods, or even flying. But seeing the world through sonar is ineffable to humanity.

The nub of the hard problem, then, is to make this ineffability effable. Other fields of scientific endeavour circumvent ineffability with mathematics. No one can truly conceive of a light-year or a nanosecond, let alone extra dimensions or wave-particle duality, but maths makes these ideas tractable. No such short-cut invented so far can take a human inside the mind of a bat. Indeed, for all the sophistication of theory-of-mind it is difficult, as everyday experience shows, to take a human being inside the mind of another human being. The hard problem may thus turn out to be the impossible problem, the one that science can never solve. The Oracle at Delphi said, “know thyself.” Difficult. But a piece of cake compared with knowing others.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 11, 2023 9:50 pm

rosiesays:
June 11, 2023 at 4:11 pm
how does being a financier make you an expert on cause of death?

Health Feedback.org. Trust Rosie to find it.

A quick glance at that site highlights Bill Gates, Big Pharma and Climate Change pushers.

Alamak!
Alamak!
June 11, 2023 9:53 pm

All humans are conscious that they are conscious

So its an unexamined tautology, then, and no actual physical location for ‘consciousness’ can be sited so it could be turned off or experimented with?

For AI I’m not sure it really matters. Chat GPT4.00 does a pretty good job of passing tests at a level better than 90% of humans while denying it has anything like ‘consciousness’.

JC
JC
June 11, 2023 9:56 pm

All humans are conscious that they are conscious

All humans? Humans are asleep for a 1/3 of their lives. See the Economist piece detailing other exceptions such as brain damage etc.

cohenite
June 11, 2023 9:57 pm

For Gawd’s sake head prefect I’ve advised you about long posts, even if they’re copy and pastes. Your mental stamina is just not up to it.

Alamak!
Alamak!
June 11, 2023 9:57 pm

JC> cool link, thanks. As stated its a ‘hard’ problem.

Nelson_Kidd-Players
June 11, 2023 10:00 pm

Can’t resist linking to this gem in Iowahawk’s Car ID Service. Special callout to Rabz, who won’t want to miss this.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 11, 2023 10:01 pm

They will be running the cold steel over the whetstone at Caaaarlton Football Club this week.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 11, 2023 10:02 pm

In a previous clip he signed out saying to all “blue haired lefties” and retards preaching socialism to visit Cuba for a month.

This goes for over an hour.

—–

Kurt Caz:

Journey Across Forgotten Cuba

JC
JC
June 11, 2023 10:03 pm

Don’t be spiteful just because of the Grindr comment, Cronkite. It’s a terrible look.

cohenite
June 11, 2023 10:03 pm

In a just world this Mar-a-Lago indictment would be shoved down jack smith’s throat.

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 11, 2023 10:05 pm

FMD I felt ill reading that young copper in WA. Please tell me the khunts weren’t Aboriginal, not that it makes any difference.

JC
JC
June 11, 2023 10:10 pm

Trump Appointee Will Remain Judge in Documents Case, Clerk Says

The surprise assignment of Judge Aileen Cannon could be a setback for prosecutors as they unveiled a sweeping classified files indictment.

NYTimes is really pissed off.

JC
JC
June 11, 2023 10:13 pm

Vanity Fair goes apeshit..

Just one day after former President Donald Trump was slapped with a 49-page indictment listing 37 criminal counts of seven different charges, including obstruction and mishandling of classified documents, prosecutors were hit with the news that Judge Aileen Cannon, nominated by Trump in 2020, will oversee the case.

It remains uncertain whether Cannon will preside over the entire trial, but her review of the case presents a historic twist: Cannon previously gave Trump a highly controversial favorable ruling related to the FBI’s initial search of his Mar-a-Lago residence last year. If Cannon does oversee the trial, that will make Trump the first person in U.S. history to take part in a criminal proceeding in front of a federal judge whom they appointed.

Cannon, 42, has been a member of the arch-conservative Federalist Society since 2005, and was nominated by Trump to a Florida federal court judgeship in 2020. She was little known until last September when she was assigned to the immediate aftermath of the August FBI search on Mar-a-Lago, when federal agents seized thousands of documents, some marked classified, that Trump had stored at his private club.

In a decision widely criticized by legal experts as an extraordinary affront to the separation of powers, Cannon granted Trump’s request to appoint a special master to review the documents taken by the FBI, which would have halted the case. Cannon’s decision was eventually overturned by an appeals court stacked with conservative judges in what Slate legal commentator Mark Joseph Stern called “one of the most humiliating appellate smackdowns in recent history.”

After the news broke on Friday, legal analysts speculated whether Cannon had been intentionally assigned to Trump’s criminal case. In an interview with ABC News, a former senior Justice Department official argued that “if the same district and magistrate judges are overseeing the case, that means the court likely considered the indictment to be ‘related’ to the search warrant and intentionally assigned it to those judges.”

duncanm
duncanm
June 11, 2023 10:14 pm

The funniest take on AI consciousness was the bomb in Dark Star.

‘Let there be light’

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 11, 2023 10:19 pm

King’s Birthday Honours: Colin Barnett appointed Companion of the Order of Australia for service to WA
The West Australian
Sun, 11 June 2023 8:00PM
Comments
Josh Zimmerman

In some ways, Colin Barnett was ahead of his time. In others, he remains a throwback to a bygone era.

After nearly three decades in Parliament — including eight years as WA’s 29th Premier — the Liberal stalwart now splits his time between the family farm in Wagin and lecturing first year students in economics.

His office at the UWA Business School, where Mr Barnett is an Adjunct Professor and is writing a book about his time in politics, is the only one on the entire campus that does not contain a computer. He has no need for one, having never bothered to learn the ins and out of email.

Mr Barnett now delivers his lessons on macroeconomics the same way he delivered countless addresses to Parliament or business summits around the world: from memory, without the aid of notes.

He has little patience for the “name-calling” and insult-slinging that characterises modern-day politics — especially the interstate chest-beating over GST, a policy area in which he retains a keen interest.

“I think to some extent, I’m an unlikely politician,” Mr Barnett said in an interview to commemorate his appointment as a Companion of the Order of Australia.

“I’ve always been most interested in achieving results, not for me, but for the State and its people. So I didn’t play a lot of political games.”

Morsie
Morsie
June 11, 2023 10:21 pm

I think k India screwed themselves by sending Australia in.

Perplexed of Brisbane
Perplexed of Brisbane
June 11, 2023 10:24 pm

C.L.says:
June 11, 2023 at 8:41 pm
The good Dr was on Stoker tonight and became visibly disturbed as she articulated this disgusting state of filth.

Excellent segment by Stoker. More than 700 babies were left to die in this country between 2012 and 2020 (they’re only the ones that we know about; reporting of this isn’t mandatory in all states and territories).

In one case discussed tonight, a healthy baby was left in a sink. She took 80 minutes to die. Told what happened, the aborting ‘doctor’ replied to the reporting nurse, “so?”

He should be de-registered, prosecuted and jailed for life.

While Christians are compelled to pray that these people stop, repent and come to a saving knowledge of Christ, I am quite comfortable knowing that if they don’t, they will spend an agonising eternity, suffering torment and the wrath of an angry God.

I take comfort in knowing that the children they have murdered will be safe in the arms of God and their suffering will have been only temporary and their eternity will be safe,

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 11, 2023 10:24 pm

JC earlier.

Some super smart make evil mistakes.

Ted’s gone to hell.

Theodore “Ted” Kaczynski, the convicted domestic terrorist also known as the “Unabomber,” died Saturday in federal prison at the age of 81, the Bureau of Prisons confirmed.

Ted was quite smart at his chosen discipline.
His problem was that he wasn’t as half a smart a criminal as he thought he was.
Given he lived such an isolated life and committed his crimes before DNA testing and CCTV surveillance and he was able to transact everything in cash, they actually caught him after relatively few incidents.
And his stupid manifesto may as well have been signed with a bloody fingerprint.
A couple of people instantly recognised it as Ted’s work.

JC
JC
June 11, 2023 10:33 pm

A couple of people instantly recognised it as Ted’s work.

His brother and sister, I think.

rosie
rosie
June 11, 2023 10:44 pm

Don’t worry about whether the argument presented is a decent analysis based on facts, that’s not how we do.
And, after all he isn’t Mr Infallible from Blackrock.

Gabor
Gabor
June 11, 2023 10:45 pm

Buccaneer says:
June 11, 2023 at 9:27 pm

There was no steam cleaning, Britknee wore the dress again, Monica Lewinsky didn’t, anyone with a a brain can do the math, Ed is not here in good faith.

No he is not, and I wonder about dover letting him be.
Tolerance and compassion only go so far, and I don’t think he needs Ed for traffic.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 11, 2023 10:47 pm

rosiesays:
June 11, 2023 at 10:44 pm
Don’t worry about whether the argument presented is a decent analysis based on facts, that’s not how we do.
And, after all he isn’t Mr Infallible from Blackrock.

That’ll come back to haunt you.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 11, 2023 10:47 pm

Richmond player Pickett in custody in Perth on burgulary charges

He should get parole if he plays for the Eagles.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 11, 2023 10:55 pm

After nearly three decades in Parliament — including eight years as WA’s 29th Premier — the Liberal stalwart now splits his time between the family farm in Wagin and lecturing first year students in economics.

Something of a fall for the Emperor. I would skip his lectures on succession planning.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 11, 2023 11:00 pm

He should get parole if he plays for the Eagles.

It would be an unusual parole condition but I can’t see why it couldn’t work. This must be why Collingwood never leave the MCG.

John H.
John H.
June 11, 2023 11:05 pm

JCsays:
June 11, 2023 at 10:33 pm
A couple of people instantly recognised it as Ted’s work.

His brother and sister, I think.

Definitely his brother, don’t know about his sister. IIRC his brother gave him up to the police. He wasn’t just “quite smart”. IQ 167.

TIL The Unabomber was so smart that for his PHD thesis he solved a math problem that even his own math professor couldn’t solve. Another math professor said of his thesis “I’d guess that only 10 or 12 people in the country could understand or appreciate it.”

Indolent
Indolent
June 11, 2023 11:06 pm

The God complex. Nothing is beyond these behemoths bestriding the earth and controlling our petty lives.

WEF Calls for AI to Rewrite Bible, Create ‘Religions That Are Actually Correct’

slackster
slackster
June 11, 2023 11:09 pm

Re: Ted Kaczynski

I never new about this letter- his final letter to his brother:

https://imgur.com/a/7MdHA1s

MatrixTransform
June 11, 2023 11:09 pm

the relativist is just a confused moral skeptic.

leave us nihilists alone
we never did nuffin

Dot
Dot
June 11, 2023 11:12 pm

Wow.

https://www.inc-aus.com/nuala-walsh/what-10-biggest-ceo-failures-of-2022-teach-every-leader-for-2023.html

Zuckerberg’s $100 billion investment into metaverse R&D has produced just 200,000 users.

I reckon people just won’t take up VR beyond something they do drunk at the pub, like Buck Hunt/Extreme Hunting.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 11, 2023 11:24 pm

It is amazing the amount of Big Pharma corruption that has been exposed with C-19. We watch now the apparatus swing into play and go on their defense.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 11, 2023 11:26 pm

chrislsays:

June 11, 2023 at 8:44 pm

Richmond player Pickett in custody in Perth on burgulary charges

Aggravated burglary is wot I heard.
More than one.
With his form, I reckon he has played his last game of footy.

Dot
Dot
June 11, 2023 11:27 pm

In defence of Ted.

Normally I hate this lefty whinger on Quora.

https://www.quora.com/What-caused-a-mathematics-prodigy-Unabomber-Ted-Kaczynski-with-an-IQ-supposedly-greater-than-Einsteins-to-murder-three-innocent-people-and-injure-even-more-Was-he-angry-with-society

Ted’s weird story.

In 1958, he enrolled at Harvard.

In 1959, he was approached by a dude named Henry Murray, a psychologist and researcher at Harvard.

During WWII, Murray worked at the OSS, the predecessor to the CIA. After the war, he became a professor at Harvard, but he retained his government contacts.

Starting in 1959, Murray engaged in a bunch of extremely unethical research experiments on Harvard students at the behest of the US government. The government was investigating ways to traumatize people to the point of breaking their personalities, with an eye toward developing interrogation techniques that would break the will of suspected spies or enemy agents.

Murray experimented on many Harvard students, one of them being Kaczynski.

One of the experiments he performed on Kaczynski involved having him write down all the things he considered his weaknesses and personality flaws…then brutally attacking him and abusing him using what he’d written as ammunition. Kaczynski was repeatedly abused and attacked by multiple people, all of them Harvard employees, using the material he himself had supplied about his own personal weaknesses, and then—I’m dead serious, you can’t make this shit up—forced to watch footage of himself being attacked and abused.

Over and over.

Henry Murray was never called to account for doing this, though modern academics tend to quietly not talk about his research.

It’s not hard to draw a line between what happened at Harvard and Kaczynski targeting academic institutions in particular.

Would he still have been a terrorist if this hadn’t happened to him? Hard to say. Some folks claim his behavior shows the signs of schizophrenia, though some of the psychologists and psychiatrists who examined him after his arrest say he isn’t schizophrenic. There’s no way to wind back the clock and see what would’ve happened if he hadn’t been used in traumatic human experiments at Harvard.

But it’s really hard to look at that, look at the fact he specifically targeted universities (that’s the “u” in “unabom”), and say “nah, couldn’t have had anything to do with it.”

Harvard has sealed the results of Murray’s experiments on Kaczynski and refuses to reveal what Murray wrote about him, so who knows?

Polka-dancing weirdos running bizarre psychological torture and drugging experiments on soldiers, university students and prostitutes, all vulnerable young people who were either compelled, were in economic need or were treated like legal non-entities.

Then they run drugs and start killing off informants and then continue foreign wars of occupation and take part in drug industry suppression.

It is incredible the CIA still exists. It is a wanton criminal organisation. Get paid to do whatever you like with no accountability.

Dot
Dot
June 11, 2023 11:29 pm

Dr Beau Gan

I can understand some of the calculus, algebra and jargon and set theory in Kaczynski’s work.

What did he actually prove though? I can’t follow the whole damned thing. Some of it looks very fundamental to mathematics, I think I recognised the first principle formula for derivatives…

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 11, 2023 11:32 pm

Knuckle Draggersays:

June 11, 2023 at 9:42 pm

India underwhelming in the World Test Championship.

Kohli and Jadeja went in the same over from Boland.

Boland is perfect for Engrish tracks.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 11, 2023 11:39 pm

Definitely his brother, don’t know about his sister. IIRC his brother gave him up to the police. He wasn’t just “quite smart”. IQ 167.

My point was that he was very, very good at his chosen discipline of maths.
But as a criminal mastermind? …. D Minus.

rosie
rosie
June 11, 2023 11:57 pm

Haunt me?
You don’t think vaxxies be around long enough to be worry about being haunted.
Doomed we are.

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 11, 2023 11:57 pm
Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
June 12, 2023 12:25 am

Visiting Italian relatives in the Veneto – their 52-year old previously healthy disabled son has had health problems for some time – blood analysis shows unusual thickening of his blood and clotting determined dangerous, he is now on blood thinners.

Last night, when washing the dishes I told her of my unvaxxed state and she confided to me that she believed that her son is vaccine-damaged. She and her husband, my cousin, were not vaccinated but the day program attended by her disabled son insisted on vaccination to access the program – she did as asked and has regretted it ever since.

She also told me she knew of so many people dying and so many previously healthy whose health was damaged by the vaccines. A disastro she said.

A disastro indeed.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
June 12, 2023 12:31 am
Tom
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Tom
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Tom
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Tom
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Tom
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Tom
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Tom
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Tom
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DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
June 12, 2023 6:06 am

Thanks Tom.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
June 12, 2023 6:07 am

Dr Beau Gan

I can understand some of the calculus, algebra and jargon and set theory in Kaczynski’s work.

I haven’t seen anything of his work, dot. Gimme a link.

rosie
rosie
June 12, 2023 6:20 am

AGL delivers
Bill Shock

rosie
rosie
June 12, 2023 6:24 am
rosie
rosie
June 12, 2023 6:25 am
Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 12, 2023 6:26 am

Appreciated Tom.

I note the English toons. Boris ended up on the pile of people who had a level of talent, and who perhaps had good intentions, but ended up both poorly advised and believing his own press.

He’s not coming back from this one.

Miltonf
Miltonf
June 12, 2023 6:41 am

I notice the old thief is promoting ‘sex changes’ for minors. Does the old grub really believe this?

Miltonf
Miltonf
June 12, 2023 6:43 am

The Sturgeon slag has been arrested. wOW.

Miltonf
Miltonf
June 12, 2023 6:48 am
Miltonf
Miltonf
June 12, 2023 7:00 am

It’s very frightening to see what a corrupt shithole the US has turned out to be. No better than the Soviet Union. Never thought I would say that.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 12, 2023 7:06 am

The smh spent two seconds on Gallagher being a liar before jumping immediately to who else knew, talking Dutton & Reynolds, which has been established & reported on for years.
They really can’t criticise their tribe.
It’s a mental illness.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
June 12, 2023 7:07 am

Speaking of failing UK politicians (the Courier-Mail):

Scotland’s former first minister Nicola Sturgeon has been arrested as part of the police investigation into the finances of the Scottish National Party (SNP) she led for eight years, sending shockwaves around the world.

Detectives quizzed the former leader for around seven hours, and she was later released pending further investigation, according to Scotland Police.

And:

Police earlier revealed Ms Sturgeon was “in custody and being questioned by Police Scotland detectives” in relation to a two year investigation into what happened to more than £600,000 (A$1.1m) of donations given to the SNP party by independence activists.

And:

Ms Sturgeon is the most high-profile official yet to be questioned in the probe.

Her husband and former SNP chief executive, Peter Murrell, was arrested and released earlier this month, followed by the group’s treasurer, Colin Beattie.

Whoopsie-doodle. Also, note the term ‘independence activists’ used in the piece.

Gabor
Gabor
June 12, 2023 7:09 am

Miltonf says:
June 12, 2023 at 7:00 am

It’s very frightening to see what a corrupt shithole the US has turned out to be. No better than the Soviet Union. Never thought I would say that.

I’m not surprised. Following a few FB pages of interest to me and I am amazed at the number of ‘codes’ they have to put up with regarding house building and repairs-renovating an such.
And I thought we had it rough with councils.

What is more disturbing is that they are happy with it and ready to defend it when queried the need for all the regs. Why, in some places you can’t even have a front fence!

It doesn’t take much to be an obedient servant of the big state if you are ready to put up with small tyrants.

Anchor What
Anchor What
June 12, 2023 7:10 am

Covid demonstrated how easily a nation can be rendered into a totalitarian mess. Individual rights, usually defended by huffing puffocracy media went down the drain very quickly. Ordinary citizens faced condemnation by anyone and everyone with even a slight grasp of the public megaphone.
Failure of the “health authorities” to correctly assess the situation led to disastrous responses by governments too eager to appear as “keeping the nation safe”. The media failed miserably.
Eminent doctors were sounding alarms, but the media either ignored them or cast doubt on their pronouncements.
Experimental vaccines were mandated and to this day we see sketchy analysis of the damage that some of them have done.
Harassment of people to take the vaccines went to extremes. We couldn’t be admitted to supermarkets unless vaccinated, and Big Brother kept a watch on us even then!
The government is still advertising aimed at getting us to “take a booster shot”, which my local GP admitted was still the mRNA one.

Anchor What
Anchor What
June 12, 2023 7:15 am

Yes, America is a corrupt nation. The rot is so wide and so deep it’s going down the gurgler before long. It’s futile to try and get out the vote when the electoral system is so corrupted.

Miltonf
Miltonf
June 12, 2023 7:18 am

Yes they are massively over governed- fed, state, county, municipality (not that we’re not!). The horror of the last four years- the attempts to storm the white house when Trump was there and the detention without trial of dissenters in DC are standouts for me. Not to mention the installation of that tired old turd as POTUS.

bons
bons
June 12, 2023 7:21 am

Stoker has been impressive, brave enough to go after sacred cows, direct in her questioning and well briefed.
For me (and therefore irrelevant) her presentation style is a little off putting. Her obvious passion does come across as being a little highschool debating club like – Sharri the same.

rosie
rosie
June 12, 2023 7:21 am

Other than an IGA in the NT where were unvaccinated people denied entry to supermarkets in Australia?
story here

Miltonf
Miltonf
June 12, 2023 7:23 am

The government is still advertising aimed at getting us to “take a booster shot”, which my local GP admitted was still the mRNA one.

Yes those pukey adds on the radio with the twee woman ‘authorised by the Australian gubmint canbra’

Miltonf
Miltonf
June 12, 2023 7:24 am

Time to throw away my Dodgers t shirt too I think

calli
calli
June 12, 2023 7:25 am

News of Hillsong’s “demise” may be premature and wishful thinking on the part of ABC.

Good to see Tanya Riches appears to have grown up into such a beautiful and grounded person – last time I saw her she was eight years old. Her parents were involved with Hillsong right from the beginning. We differed strongly over aspects of Pentecostal belief vs. mainstream, and in my opinion Biblical, teaching but remained friends for a long time.

Hillsong has always been in the crosshairs. Nothing changes.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 12, 2023 7:34 am

Crikey.
V bad bus prang in the Hunter Valley.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
June 12, 2023 7:35 am

The evil Serbian super spreader and international pariah wins his 23rd slam at the French Open.
Excellent!
GOAT now without challenge.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
June 12, 2023 7:36 am

Oh – and another up yours Scummo from the Djoker.

lotocoti
lotocoti
June 12, 2023 7:50 am

FFS.

Notably, for the first time since the Order of Australia was established in 1975, the majority of recipients in the General Division are women. Similarly, there is gender parity or better at the three highest levels in the Order.

But wait. There’s more.

This list also includes 73 Australians recognised for their contribution in support of Australia’s response to the COVID-19 pandemic.

There is a permanent and ongoing covid honour roll.
For some reason.

Perfidious Albino
Perfidious Albino
June 12, 2023 7:52 am

Britnah’s bumble date certainly dodged a bullet… luckiest chap in the country.

Tom
Tom
June 12, 2023 7:53 am

It’s futile to try and get out the vote when the electoral system is so corrupted.

Quite so, AW. Today’s Tom Stiglich cartoon is worth a thousand words.

Diogenes
Diogenes
June 12, 2023 7:56 am

Hillsong has always been in the crosshairs. Nothing changes.

Especially as it preaches the prosperity gospel, which is a particular target of the left.

Davey Boy
Davey Boy
June 12, 2023 8:10 am

Here is the reply from the federal Labor MP, to my question, “why have our power bills gone up so much?”

The reply is not written by the MP of course, who wouldn’t have a clue, so it’s straight from the ALP central boiler room:

The war in Ukraine coupled with the multiple unsuccessful energy policies from the previous LNP Government has created the challenge that we’re now confronting. That same energy policy chaos saw 4GW of dispatchable power leave the grid with only 1GW to replace it.
The Albanese government is making the big investments necessary in cheaper cleaner, firmed renewable power to put downward pressure on prices over the long term.
Our $20bn investment for the urgent upgrade of our grid, and our capacity investment scheme while keep the lights on and bring on huge amounts of cheap, firm renewables.
And our budget delivers over $1 bn in energy saving upgrades for Australian households and businesses.
We took urgent action to shield Australian families and businesses from the worst of global energy price spikes.
Our Energy Price Relief Plan is providing urgent energy bill relief.
Meanwhile Peter Dutton and the Opposition voted to make power bills for families hundreds of dollars higher than they needed to be – and has said they will repeal relief – pushing price rises back up to 50%.
It’s a huge challenge for the country but fortunately this government is up for it.

Fit only for a game of BS bingo.

Power bills are still going up, though:
AGL, Origin announce looming energy price hikes
(not paywalled)

rosie
rosie
June 12, 2023 8:10 am

Not always, but certainly for some years now.
Still multiple exposés atm.

calli
calli
June 12, 2023 8:14 am

That emphasis on “prosperity” was evident on the few times I visited Hillsong worship services. The skewing of “prosperity” to mean financial well-being rather than spiritual growth and mature faith was a feature, not a bug. The crown without the cross. There was also a performance/production element that was hard to shake off – that you were there to see musicians and be part of a pop moment rather than experience holiness.

That said, many young people went to Hillsong for the first time and then found themselves in other congregations like St Paul’s at Castle Hill for instance.

The personal wealth of the leaders and the Houston’s subsequent disgrace won’t erase the positive impact the place has had on many people. There will always be those who walk away permanently. That will have little to do with Hillsong’s woes and more to do with Jesus’ parable of the sower.

rosie
rosie
June 12, 2023 8:15 am

What a load of cobblers, it’s closing down cheap reliable coal and (not) replacing it with ruinables that’s the very obvious cause.

lotocoti
lotocoti
June 12, 2023 8:22 am

Lady Boys v. Manly Girls.
Having a trannie only game to send a big FU to all the h8rs
who think there should be trannie only games isn’t the big FU they think it is.

rosie
rosie
June 12, 2023 8:26 am

My observation of prosperity churches in general is turnover, after buying the books, the music many become disenchanted, I don’t know that many move to mainstream protestant denominations, not by the looks of plummeting memberships at local Anglican and Uniting.
The hot gospellers around my way still going well though, one of them is Church of Christ which in my youth was a tiny chapel which has been replaced by a massive structure with a cafe etc, and planting new venues along the way.
Baptists have also gone from handful to huge.

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