Open Thread – Weekend 10 June 2023


The Master Painter, Jan Verhas, 1876

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Ed Case
Ed Case
June 12, 2023 8:34 am

Especially as it preaches the prosperity gospel, which is a particular target of the left.
There’s nothing Christian about the prosperity gospel, if it’s anything it’s satanism.

calli
calli
June 12, 2023 8:37 am

Different experiences, Rosie. North west Sydney was always a mix of large Anglican congregations plus Hillsong for Protestants, and the Catholic churches were always very well attended too.

I would never have called the CofC people I knew back then hot gospellers, perish the thought! 😀

rosie
rosie
June 12, 2023 8:51 am

Well it’s all rocking band with bass guitar now.

Indolent
Indolent
June 12, 2023 8:53 am
Indolent
Indolent
June 12, 2023 8:54 am
rosie
rosie
June 12, 2023 8:58 am
rosie
rosie
June 12, 2023 9:00 am
Dot
Dot
June 12, 2023 9:02 am

My problem with followers of the prosperity gospel like Dave Ramsey is no one in an Australian capital city could buy a home under his “rules”.

There are some possible houses under 25% of take home income. Then he believes in mortgages no longer than 15 years. Which basically cuts you back to 18% of after tax income.

(Best home for sale right now in Sidonee under 300k is under offer, a tiny apartment in Rushcutters Bay).

There are parking spaces near Missenden Road selling for 80k.

LOL!

calli
calli
June 12, 2023 9:03 am

not by the looks of plummeting memberships at local Anglican and Uniting

The Sydney diocese is a bit different to the rest of the Anglican communion here in Oz. Here in the Newcastle diocese, the Beloved and I have found our home with the Presbyterians* which has had a steady, active congregation despite the Covid lockdowns. I don’t know about the sizes of Anglican and Uniting congregations here first hand, but am told they are both ageing and shrinking.

The charismatics have a number of venues which appear to be well attended.

For my part, I would love to see all the churches full to bursting and the faithful serving the community.

* music – electric piano, guitars acoustic and electric, sometimes drums, and very occasionally a sax. Sadly, no bagpipes.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
June 12, 2023 9:05 am

Lady Boys v. Manly Girls.

How to instantly kill a business:

Female-Only Spa With Compulsory Nudity Must Admit ‘Transgender Women’ With Penises: Judge (11 Jun)

A spa that for years has only served women must admit men with penises if they claim to be women, a judge has ruled.

Bye bye spa, most of their clients will be out of there like hens fleeing a fox. Women’s spaces are being invaded steadily. I wonder when they will rebel?

Indolent
Indolent
June 12, 2023 9:06 am
132andBush
132andBush
June 12, 2023 9:07 am

Rosie
As one example, the Queensland Government was all for having unvaccinated shut out.

Note the weasel words However, Small Business Minister Di Farmer says even essential businesses can opt to only allow fully vaccinated customers and exclude the unvaccinated if they want to trade without restrictions.

Granted, I don’t know if it happened but lets not gloss over the fact that all over this country officious and power mad lunatics were wanting it so.
One thing is for sure, people lost their jobs at supermarkets for not being vaccinated.

Indolent
Indolent
June 12, 2023 9:08 am
Bear Necessities
Bear Necessities
June 12, 2023 9:10 am

Re: Ted Kaczynski

I never new about this letter- his final letter to his brother:

https://imgur.com/a/7MdHA1s

I could believe that Kevin Rudd or Malcolm Turnbull could of written a letter similar to this. Replace Teds brother with Rupert Murdoch or Julia Gillard for Rudd and Scott Morrison or Tony Abbott for Turnbull.

All hail their Genius!

Top Ender
Top Ender
June 12, 2023 9:10 am

Pull away the black mask, and political extremism has a new face: ‘trantifa.’

The portmanteau of ‘trans’ and ‘antifa’ is exactly what you’d expect — far-left transgender activists willing to intimidate, harass and even use violence to advance their radical new ideas about gender.

Much like antifa, they’re not a formal group of card-carrying members.

Daily Mail

Johnny Rotten
June 12, 2023 9:11 am

My Father had a profound influence on me. He was a lunatic.

– Spike Milligan

flyingduk
flyingduk
June 12, 2023 9:16 am

It’s very frightening to see what a corrupt shithole the US has turned out to be. No better than the Soviet Union. Never thought I would say that.

I recently read Naomi Wolf’s* “Letter of warning to a young patriot”, which, though written in 2007, documents the steps to look for in a country as it falls from freedom to tyranny.

Her 10 steps included: (and compare and contrast these to what they did to us – and Trump – over the last 3 years).

#1 Invoke an external and internal threat (then the War on Terror)
#4 Surveil ordinary citizens
#6 Arbitrarily detain and release citizens
# 7 Target key individuals
#8 Restrict the press
#9 Cast criticism as Espionage and dissent as Treason
#10 Subvert the rule of law

* Until recently, with her covid awakening, a leftist feminist.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 12, 2023 9:17 am

So, what was the steamcleaning of the couch and the Office immediately afterward all about if it wasn’t to destroy DNA evidence?
Who ordered the Steamclean?

The grigglebot treasures every stain, odor and splatter on his couch.
Every one tells a story.
Naugahyde is forever…

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 12, 2023 9:21 am

Goos news story for the day.
Worth a RTWT.

Colombian plane crash: mother told children to leave her so they could survive
Details of woman’s final days emerge after four siblings rescued following almost six weeks in Amazon jungle

The children – aged 13, nine, four and 11 months – were travelling with their mother from the Amazonian village of Araracuara to San José del Guaviare when their Cessna plane crashed after the pilot reported engine failure in the early hours of 1 May.

A military sniffer dog found the siblings, who are members of the Huitoto Indigenous community, on Friday after they had spent more than a month in an area where snakes, mosquitoes and other animals abound.

The children’s great-uncle, Fidencio Valencia, said the siblings had survived by eating fariña, or cassava flour, and by using their knowledge of the rainforest’s fruits.

“When the plane crashed, they took fariña [from the wreckage], and with that they survived,” he told reporters outside the hospital, where they are expected to remain for a minimum of two weeks.

Dot
Dot
June 12, 2023 9:22 am

I could believe that Kevin Rudd or Malcolm Turnbull could of written a letter similar to this. Replace Teds brother with Rupert Murdoch or Julia Gillard for Rudd and Scott Morrison or Tony Abbott for Turnbull.

All hail their Genius!

Unlike Ted Kaczynski, they were not psychologically abused by a Harvard professor & CIA spook at the age of 17 with no parental supervision in an ongoing and unethical experiment which breached informed consent and patient doctor confidentiality.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 12, 2023 9:27 am

12 minutes ago
Lambie blasts ‘point scoring’ over Higgins scandal
Jason Gagliardi

Senator Jacqui Lambie has slated political point-scoring over the Brittany Higgins scandal, as the Coalition gears up this week to grill Labor senator and Finance Minister Katy Gallagher over when she knew about Higgins’ plan to accuse Bruce Lehrmann of rape and the Liberals of a cover-up.

“We’ve got two younger people out there who have been through hell and high water,” the leader of the Jacqui Lambie Network said.

“Whether you are the victim or the accused, there is still court stuff going on outside of parliament and that is set to continue.

“To to sit here and use this as a battleground, I find it extremely distasteful. Now if the Liberal Party wants to use their time on the floor to continue this, I ask them this: Consider the mental health of some of those people out there involved in this.

“This is for courts, this is for our legal system.”

Senator Lambie said she supported broadly the aims of the #metoo movement, which was now being damaged by the affair.

“It’s damaging anyone else who wants to come forward and start talking to a politician in the future,” she said.

“People will be too scared to come and see us, and we’ll be too scared to take anybody on as we are too scared to end up on the stand.

“Quite frankly, it’s getting very nasty, very disappointing, and I wanted it removed from the senate.

rosie
rosie
June 12, 2023 9:28 am

I know all of that but nevertheless it is untrue that unvaccinated people were routinely excluded from supermarkets, Queensland threats notwithstanding.
My objective is to egregious rewrites of history.
Yes there was a period of two or three months where the unvaccinated were excluded from ‘non essential’ businesses after many months of those non essential businesses being forced to close.

hzhousewife
hzhousewife
June 12, 2023 9:29 am

Nothing to stop trannie only games in the past, was there? You go, girls!

Anchor What
Anchor What
June 12, 2023 9:31 am

Other than an IGA in the NT where were unvaccinated people denied entry to supermarkets in Australia?
Sydney. We were not supposed to venture outside a 5k radius. Only one of us was allowed to go shopping. Some shops had people on the door examining vaccination certificates, even Big W and Spotlight. We had to check in and out using the spooky tracking app.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 12, 2023 9:34 am

Who ordered the Steamclean?

Not questions Groogs,answers. Worst AI ever.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 12, 2023 9:34 am

Daily Mail.

The inside story of the man behind Brittany Higgins: How David Sharaz agonised over being adopted, struggled with alcohol and endured a failed marriage before becoming the ultimate Canberra player – as he boasts in leaked texts: ‘We exude power’

calli
calli
June 12, 2023 9:36 am

Shorter Jackie-Jackie:

Forget the dumping of Presumption of Innocence, the politicisation of the courts, the use of a rape case to oust a government.

Meh. A mere bagatelle.

Remember the mental health of the participants!

rosie
rosie
June 12, 2023 9:39 am

I’m assuming this is the premier site on Alexander Parade, anyone getting into social housing at these locations is like a lotto winner.
I wonder what an audit of who gets what and how long for in locations like Williamstown, Fitzroy etc would reveal.

no money left for social housing in Fitzroy

Roger
Roger
June 12, 2023 9:39 am

* music – electric piano, guitars acoustic and electric, sometimes drums, and very occasionally a sax.

Psalmody is out the window then?

John Knox ‘d be turning in his grave!

bons
bons
June 12, 2023 9:40 am

Lambie’s intervention’s are always helpful and on point!

rosie
rosie
June 12, 2023 9:44 am

Anchor What, you seem to be mushing together restrictions that applied to everyone with those that briefly applied to the unvaccinated only.
And I would point out that neither Big W nor Spotlight are supermarkets.
5km limits, only one person allowed to go grocery shopping, scanning in, that was everyone.
(The only place I ever actually scanned in was a hospital)

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
June 12, 2023 9:45 am

Forget the dumping of Presumption of Innocence

She was a former elephant tracker – Military Police officer to the uninitiated. Their motto is “March the guilty bastard in!”

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 12, 2023 9:49 am

Lambie’s intervention’s are always helpful and on point!

Clive’s finest.

132andBush
132andBush
June 12, 2023 9:50 am

I know all of that but nevertheless it is untrue that unvaccinated people were routinely excluded from supermarkets, Queensland threats notwithstanding.

Agreed.
My point is governments were more than willing to have it happen and I for one am not going to re-actively say “It didn’t happen, except once”, without considering a bit of context.
The bottom line is it was well and truly on the cards.

Roger
Roger
June 12, 2023 9:52 am

When so many parliamentarians appear not to understand the presumption of innocence, is it time to institute a remedial course in civics before letting them loose on any more law making?

It’s a disgrace.

Should be made a compulsory subject in secondary school too.

132andBush
132andBush
June 12, 2023 9:58 am

12 minutes ago
Lambie blasts ‘point scoring’ over Higgins scandal
Jason Gagliardi

Lambie point scoring over vaccinations

From the Grifting Hypocrites Party.

Roger
Roger
June 12, 2023 9:59 am

How David Sharaz agonised over being adopted, struggled with alcohol and endured a failed marriage before becoming the ultimate Canberra player – as he boasts in leaked texts: ‘We exude power’

The only thing you exude is sleaze, mate.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 12, 2023 10:01 am

Perfidious Albinosays:

June 12, 2023 at 7:52 am

Britnah’s bumble date certainly dodged a bullet… luckiest chap in the country.

Must have had the Bunny Boiler Detector App installed.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 12, 2023 10:06 am

How’s Dave’s mental health holding up?

Top Ender
Top Ender
June 12, 2023 10:08 am

Jacqui Jackie will probably be an MP forever. She is the ultimate bogan, and combines those essential qualities with the only sport all Taswegians love – sticking two fingers up to the mainland. (Which supplies most of their money)

Roger
Roger
June 12, 2023 10:10 am

She is the ultimate bogan, and combines those essential qualities with the only sport all Taswegians love – sticking two fingers up to the mainland. (Which supplies most of their money)

Tasmania…the Scotland of Australia.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 12, 2023 10:10 am

Lessons from the kd wrong School of Concern and General Social Niceness at work.

Top Ender
Top Ender
June 12, 2023 10:12 am

Randy Andy pulls a Julian!

Prince Andrew refuses to leave his Royal Lodge during building works… in case he’s evicted!

No more horsey rides?

Daily Mail

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 12, 2023 10:19 am

Dot earlier.

Unlike Ted Kaczynski, they were not psychologically abused by a Harvard professor & CIA spook at the age of 17 with no parental supervision in an ongoing and unethical experiment which breached informed consent and patient doctor confidentiality.

Look the experiments were out of order by today’s standards but a little bit of perspective.
They were short sharp sessions of extreme gaslighting and bullying, for sure, but did they turn Kaczynski into a mass murderer?
I have seen accounts which say it wouldn’t have had that level of impact and others which play it up.
The latter are almost invariably sympathetic to Ted’s de-industrialisation radical green agenda.

Dot
Dot
June 12, 2023 10:21 am

“This is for courts, this is for our legal system.”

Because you’re losing.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 12, 2023 10:21 am

“We’ve got two younger people out there who have been through hell and high water,” the leader of the Jacqui Lambie Network said.

To her credit, Lambie was very vocal about the presumption of innocence all the way through the sorry saga.

@sarc.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 12, 2023 10:28 am

We’ve got two younger people out there who have been through hell and high water,

I get that she is talking about Brittnah, but calling Lisa Wilkinson young makes her look like an idiot.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 12, 2023 10:29 am

Jacqui-Jackie upthread.

“This is for courts, this is for our legal system.”

Two years to late you dumb bint.

Senator Lambie said she supported broadly the aims of the #metoo movement, which was now being damaged by the affair.

Good.

“It’s damaging anyone else who wants to come forward and start talking to a politician in the future,” she said.

Very, very good.
Because pollies have no place being gatekeepers in the criminal justice system.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 12, 2023 10:29 am

“This is for courts, this is for our legal system.”

And it’s close cousin, “I have done nuffink wrong” or the Craig Thompson defence in legal terms.

Dot
Dot
June 12, 2023 10:34 am

We’ll never know Sancho because those files will not be released. If you’re a psychiatrist and bully a 17-year-old kid during an unethical experiment that continues on for months (years?) that breaches informed consent and confidentiality – and they end up being a deranged serial murderer, I think you and the institutions you work at should be held accountable.

Keep in mind he was then forced to repeatedly watch his abuse and it was designed to examine how people would break (as soldiers or spies) under enemy capture and manipulation.

Sure he should have never been let out. Harvard and the CIA didn’t step up and claim any possible responsibility or offer compensation to the victims.

The more you learn about the bizarre stuff the CIA was involved in, you become surprised the USSR lost as what the west did was even more comical and surreal than the communist idiots.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 12, 2023 10:35 am

Sounds like Jacqui Jacqui needs a federally funded short course at the Joh Bjelke-Petersen School of Civics. When does Parliament break?

Top Ender
Top Ender
June 12, 2023 10:41 am

There have been calls for Lisa Wilkinson to hand back the Silver Logie for the Most Outstanding News Coverage or Public Affairs Report that she claimed at the ­annual ceremony almost exactly a year ago for her Brittany Higgins interview.

The calls come after The Australian obtained leaked pre-interview audio conversations that revealed Wilkinson helped Higgins on everything from framing her story to suggesting angles, and offering unflattering judgments on Higgins’ former boss, ex-defence minister Linda Reynolds.

The pre-interview chats also caught Wilkinson and others present apparently mocking the Liberal Party’s preselection of Indigenous candidates like Jacinta Nampijinpa Price – prompting Wilkinson to issue an apology to Price over the weekend.

But despite this, Diary hears the chances of Wilkinson being forced to hand back the Logie are Buckley’s or none.

Wilkinson famously kicked off her headline-making victory speech for the Logie she won last June by basking at length in the glory of her win. “After 40 years in journalism, this interview and this story is by far the most important work I have ever done,” she told the Logies audience. “And I knew it from the very first phone call I had last year from a young woman whose name, she told me, was Brittany Higgins. As Brittany warned me before we went to air, her story would be seen by many of the most powerful people in this country not as a human problem, but as a political problem.”

Wilkinson was right in at least one respect: last week’s leaked tapes certainly confirm just how “political” the issue has become. But Diary has learnt that Logies organisers will not demand that she hand back the Silver Logie, ­despite the questions now being raised about the interview. Why? Apparently because the story was a team effort, not an individual ­effort. The Logie for Wilkinson’s “most important work” in 40 years of journalism was shared with producers at The Project.

Most of the publicity that followed Wilkinson’s win gave her the lion’s share of the credit for both the story and the Logies ­triumph. But a high-level insider says there is “no rule in the guidelines” that allows for the Silver Logie to be taken back. Additionally, it clearly wasn’t an award for Wilkinson alone, but for the entire team at The Project. “It wasn’t won by Lisa Wilkinson,” the source says. “It was never awarded to Lisa Wilkinson personally. It was won by The Project and Network Ten. Lisa may have made it all about Lisa, but it’s the show’s award.”

The source added that the award wouldn’t be stripped, but “if someone wants to hand it back, they can hand it back”.

From what Diary hears, that outcome is unlikely at this stage. ?Despite the fact that Wilkinson apparently won’t have to hand back the Logie, other major media awards events have shown it is possible to take awards away.

Just last November, the Walkley Awards stripped a gong for the first time in its 67-year history, when two Nine Queensland news reporters had their gong taken off them for best TV/video reporting. Queensland’s Clarion Awards did the same thing for the same story in recent weeks.

Wilkinson’s triumphant speech after collecting The Project’s Logie had consequences all of its own, forcing the three-month delay of last year’s (later aborted) trial of Bruce Lehrmann in the ACT Supreme Court by Chief Justice Lucy McCallum.

The ACT Chief Justice said last June that as a result of that speech, the “distinction between an allegation and finding of guilt has been completely obliterated in the discussion”.

There’s just one burning question left: where is the Logie statuette that Wilkinson accepted a year ago? Is it at The Project’s Melbourne headquarters – or 900km away at the harbourside mansion of Wilkinson and her author husband, Peter FitzSimons?

Oz

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 12, 2023 10:44 am

Dot.
I don’t dispute the CIA was engaged in dubious practices.
But I think an examination of his molly-coddled upbringing might be in order too if we want to look at environmental factors.
It is interesting that he started to go off the rails when there was some dispute or failing in some aspect of one of hid academic jobs.
I think he couldn’t handle being told he wasn’t rated 157 at everything.

Dot
Dot
June 12, 2023 10:45 am

If you don’t know about any of the weird CIA stuff, this will knock your socks off. If you didn’t read about it in such a format, you might dismiss it out of hand as complete BS.

The funniest stuff is when they tried to get cats to work for them. The poor thing got run over in D.C. Otherwise they’d attach them to a diesel-soaked rag in Vietnam, set it on fire and let it set alight on a VC-controlled ride field. Not a fan of the VC and I’m a dog person but by gum that’s incredibly cruel.

https://jacobin.com/2020/10/cia-brainwashing-program-mk-ultra-sidney-gottlieb

This justified experiments on US citizens as well. In 1950, scientists carried out a large test in which supposedly harmless but traceable germs would be released into a US city. They chose San Francisco, reasoning that its chronic fog would disguise germ clouds. During Operation Sea Spray, a Navy ship sprayed a bacteria into the air for six days along the coast of San Francisco. In the days that followed, eleven people checked into hospitals, and one person died.

“Only” one person died, but this is monstrous.

In 1951 a team of CIA scientists led by Dr. Gottlieb flew to Tokyo … four Japanese suspected of working for the Russians were secretly brought to a location where the CIA doctors injected them with a variety of depressants and stimulants … under relentless questioning, they confessed to working for the Russians. They were taken out into Tokyo Bay, shot and dumped overboard.

This guy sounds like Saddam Hussein.

This was only the beginning. Not satisfied with the Kentucky research, MK-Ultra branched further out. In the mid-fifties, CIA operatives took note of the work of Ewen Cameron, president of the American Psychological Association and the Canadian Psychiatric Association.

Cameron drew their attention with experiments in which he enclosed patients in small cells, put them in a drug-induced coma, and subjected them to endless repetition of recorded phrases. Cameron was looking for techniques that would enable him to, as he put it, “re-pattern” individuals, changing their attitudes and beliefs. Patients who came to Cameron for help became his unwitting test subjects instead.

The CIA funded and protected Cameron, who carried out tests that — according to a review conducted decades later — had “no therapeutic validity whatsoever” and were even “comparable to Nazi medical atrocities.” To explain Cameron’s actions, there is no need to consider misguided patriotism or Cold War fears as motivations. He was simply a sadist who used a scientific cover to break and traumatize people.

It’s funny because until a few years ago, people didn’t really believe MK Ultra was real.

“At Gottlieb’s direction,” writes Kinzer, Federal Bureau of Narcotics agent George Hunter White “assembled a group of prostitutes whose job it would be to bring their clients to the ‘pad’ and dose them with LSD while he watched and recorded their reactions.” White profited from the covered nature of the operation to satisfy his own urges. Toward the end of his life in 1975, White wrote a letter to Gottlieb thanking him for the opportunities the CIA had granted him:

I was a very minor missionary, actually a heretic, but I toiled wholeheartedly in the vineyards because it was fun, fun, fun. Where else could a red-blooded American boy lie, kill, cheat, steal, rape and pillage with the sanction and blessing of the All-Highest? Pretty good stuff, Brudder!

Out of control. Serial murderers and rapists.

When they are bragging in secret about wanton rape and murder and coordinating with the Navy to release a biological weapon on a major US city, you know they don’t give a shit about the damage they did to the likes of Kaczynski. Then you have some poor, naive patriotic US Marshal thinking he’s catching a sicko like Ted K. Oh boy there’s so many more you could have put away.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
June 12, 2023 10:45 am

When so many parliamentarians appear not to understand the presumption of innocence, is it time to institute a remedial course in civics before letting them loose on any more law making?

Worth remembering that Albanese wholeheartedly joined Morrison in the Festival of the Presumption of Guilt:

Opposition Leader Anthony Albanese echoed Mr Morrison, also declaring he and the Labor Party were sorry.

He too thanked Ms Higgins for her courage.

“You have torn through a silence that has acted as the life-support system for the most odious of status quos,” he said.

“To describe your experiences is to relive them.

“I say to everyone who took part, that took a level of courage that you should never have needed to show, but you did and we thank you for it.”

We thank you for it.
Oh, yes.

Crossie
Crossie
June 12, 2023 10:50 am

Senator Lambie said she supported broadly the aims of the #metoo movement, which was now being damaged by the affair.
“It’s damaging anyone else who wants to come forward and start talking to a politician in the future,” she said.
“People will be too scared to come and see us, and we’ll be too scared to take anybody on as we are too scared to end up on the stand.
“Quite frankly, it’s getting very nasty, very disappointing, and I wanted it removed from the senate.

Which is it then senator Lambie? You want these things brought to the senate or removed from the senate? If the supposed victim took it to the proper authorities, the police, right away then how could your friends attack the LNP government over it? Dim bulb yet able to spew an awful lot of venom.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 12, 2023 10:50 am

rosiesays:
June 12, 2023 at 8:15 am
What a load of cobblers, it’s closing down cheap reliable coal and (not) replacing it with ruinables that’s the very obvious cause.

And as for blaming the previous government, the Liars were not just on board with the rush to ruinables, they were a bunch of front bar urgers calling for faster shut down of coal fired power stations, cheering at the demolition of those as they were closed down.

WesternDecliner
June 12, 2023 10:53 am

Strange goats and telepathy. The CIA did it first and best

Dot
Dot
June 12, 2023 10:54 am

It is interesting that he started to go off the rails when there was some dispute or failing in some aspect of one of hid academic jobs.
I think he couldn’t handle being told he wasn’t rated 157 at everything.

He wasn’t a very good teacher apparently. That takes time to develop that skill. I still think being psychologically abused by a mental health care provider over a long period is extremely damaging. Given the particulars of how he was mistreated, it could have ruined his potential in this manner as well as his ability to trust or have a simple friendship with neighbours.

Dot
Dot
June 12, 2023 10:56 am

“You have torn through a silence that has acted as the life-support system for the most odious of status quos,” he said.

Sickening platitudes. The fish rots from the head, let’s see how far these chat logs really do go up.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 12, 2023 10:56 am

One of the guys at school was the son of a prominent WA historian. Frankly any academic offspring that go on to become a vaguely functioning member of society have done well. Interestingly he blew himself up, although not as part of any manifesto as far as I knew.

Dot
Dot
June 12, 2023 10:57 am

Was his name Per le Fou?

Merde!

JMH
JMH
June 12, 2023 11:01 am

Top Ender @ 10.41 am:
Well, there you go. I was under the impression Toadfish won the award in her own right but it turns out it was a Project team effort. The Logie garbage is not on my ‘must view’ list – along with other ‘entertainment’ galas. Yes – who has possession of the thing? We need to know!

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 12, 2023 11:02 am

Pull away the black mask, and political extremism has a new face: ‘trantifa.’

The portmanteau of ‘trans’ and ‘antifa’ is exactly what you’d expect — far-left transgender activists willing to intimidate, harass and even use violence to advance their radical new ideas about gender.

The fat fascist fool should be careful on the street (if he ever leaves his basement). Trantifa is likely to believe in the principle of “Bash a hetero”. Appear outside with the wife, and they will regard youn as fair game.

Biter about to be bitten?

Top Ender
Top Ender
June 12, 2023 11:02 am

And in other media news, can you be too woke even for The Age?

The Age sacks columnist Julie Szego amid gender furore

The editor of The Age has sacked one of the masthead’s star columnists, Julie Szego, after she took aim at the publication over its ­refusal to run an article on youth gender transition.

Last week, Szego posted on ­social media that while she had been commissioned to write a feature-length story about the contentious issue by the newspaper’s former editor Gay Alcorn, The Age’s current boss Patrick Elligett refused to run it.

Szego, a freelancer who has written for The Age on and off for more than two decades, subsequently chose to self-publish the 5000-word piece on her own Substack page, telling her social media followers about her new blog: “I’ll be writing about gender identity politics … without the copy being rendered unreadable by a committee of woke journalists redacting words they deem incendiary, such as ‘male’.”

Szego told The Australian that the post about her colleagues at The Age was “a vague and cheeky comment that was not intended to put anyone down”, but it had been cited by Elligett as a reason to sack her as a columnist.

“I love my former comrades at The Age,” Szego said.

“I have no bitterness whatsoever, but this issue of gender identity politics is causing tensions in newsrooms around the world and The Age is no different.”

Szego said she believed her story was “measured”, and that despite suggestions to the contrary she does not hold a firm view one way or another on paediatric transition.

Szego also said the fact that she attended the controversial Let Women Speak rally in Melbourne in March had been used as part of a whispering campaign against her.

“I attended the rally, I was conspicuous with notebook and pen,” she said. “I attended as a journalist because I wanted to get some colour from the event as I’m hoping to write a book on the wider debate.

“My attendance at the rally caused great suspicion in there (The Age’s newsroom).”

Elligett told The Australian that he explained to Szego why he would not publish the article, and said The Age “continues to cover the issue of gender policy with balance, nuance and accuracy. It is an issue many of our competitors will not touch.”

Szego’s interpretation of that conversation with Elligett this month differs.

“Patrick told me he could not publish my piece under my byline because it would damage the reputation of the masthead,” she said on Sunday. “I would suggest he’s damaged the masthead more by not publishing it.”

Szego said she received a text message from Elligett last week, informing her that she would no longer be writing for The Age ­because of her social media post about her “woke” colleagues.

“Obviously we can’t have our columnists publicly disparaging the publication like that so we won’t be commissioning further columns from you,” Elligett said.

Dot
Dot
June 12, 2023 11:03 am

When will TV just die in Australia? Come on, hurry up. A great day when Neighbours ended (they did go very woke and broke apparently).

Come on, let’s pull the plug on the rest of Dumb Street/Home and Farm whatever they call it. “I can hear smoke!!”

Dot
Dot
June 12, 2023 11:06 am

If you can’t say, male, what do we say; is motile gamete distributor acceptable?

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 12, 2023 11:06 am

One of our lecturers used to bring his teaching notes to lectures in a plastic shopping bag (now banned). One of the text books was Money Market Mathematics by Harvey R Crapp. He began the first lecture, “This may be the only course you will get credit for quoting Crapp back to me.” He was a world authority in something or other apparently.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
June 12, 2023 11:08 am

An academic journal article on similar problems.

I read the first page of the article, dot, and skimmed the rest. I got stopped by some of the Baire category notation, because I’ve long forgotten it.
The subject is in, roughly, point set topology and measure theory, where you are looking at generalisations of the notion of continuity of functions. It’s been very much a minority interest for well over fifty years.
Harmless but mostly pointless would be my assessment.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
June 12, 2023 11:14 am

La Trioli couldn’t bring herself admire Djoker’s French Open success because the wrong man won.
According to this eternal teenage girl of their ABC, being the best tennis player is is not a sufficient standard for championship success.

Makka
Makka
June 12, 2023 11:17 am

When they are bragging in secret about wanton rape and murder and coordinating with the Navy to release a biological weapon on a major US city, you know they don’t give a shit about the damage they did to the likes of Kaczynski.

Or anyone for that matter. It hasn’t stopped. We only have to look at the last several years. The methods may have changed but the intent and objectives are the same. Not so much mind control, but the ability to exert control over populations. Through blanket surveillance, violence, coercion, censorship and 24/7 propaganda the CIA and others fingerprints are all over our daily lives. Big Pharma joyfully played a part in profiting from Covid but the intent was really conditioning– how would populations react to massive sudden onerous restrictions and deprivations? Could the media be controlled and play it’s part? Would social media control and censorship really be effective? They found answers to all this of course.

To what end? The big one- deploying CBDC’s. The ability with a keystroke to separate you from your money. The ultimate non-lethal effective population control. AI will definitely play it’s part in the process.

Dot
Dot
June 12, 2023 11:18 am

Harmless but mostly pointless would be my assessment.

It seemed to be reproving fundamental theorems that are well-known. Is this correct?

At least I learnt you can divide by zero if you have a Riemann sphere.

Black Ball
Black Ball
June 12, 2023 11:19 am

Just had Darren Weir come through my place of employ. Personable man, doesn’t look like he is rushing back to training, caravan hooked up to his vehicle.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 12, 2023 11:19 am

Found a free copy of the “pity and the sorrow”, one of the best post WW2 shows about France and the collaboration.

https://archive.org/details/the-sorrow-and-the-pity-2_202106/The+Sorrow+and+the+Pity+1.avi

Would you believe the swine didnt make an english version?
(yes it has subtitles)

Dot
Dot
June 12, 2023 11:21 am

Adopt BTC first and you short-circuit the drive to CBDCs.

Tom
Tom
June 12, 2023 11:22 am

“I love my former comrades at The Age,” Szego said.

Nothing could be further from the mind of Julie Szego that using journalism to arm the public with information. No, no, journalism is part of the revolution, comrades!

The Age is now uninhabitable for actual journalists. To get a job there, you have to figure out who runs the dominant Marxist faction on the editorial staff and suck up to them.

Dot
Dot
June 12, 2023 11:22 am

Or anyone for that matter. It hasn’t stopped. We only have to look at the last several years. The methods may have changed but the intent and objectives are the same. Not so much mind control, but the ability to exert control over populations. Through blanket surveillance, violence, coercion, censorship and 24/7 propaganda the CIA and others fingerprints are all over our daily lives. Big Pharma joyfully played a part in profiting from Covid but the intent was really conditioning– how would populations react to massive sudden onerous restrictions and deprivations? Could the media be controlled and play it’s part? Would social media control and censorship really be effective? They found answers to all this of course.

All I want people to recognise is that Operation Mockingbird is real.

calli
calli
June 12, 2023 11:24 am

It’s funny because until a few years ago, people didn’t really believe MK Ultra was real.

Dot, wasn’t that the bogey-man in Gibson’s “Conspiracy Theory”? That was released back in 1997.

Makka
Makka
June 12, 2023 11:26 am

BTC adoption would need to get moving dotty. Just ~ 4.2% of global population currently.

And CB’s can move fast if they have a mind to.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 12, 2023 11:28 am

The Logie garbage is not on my ‘must view’ list

The only Logies broadcast worth watching…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5BovCB5iTY

2:30 in to see the logie treated right.

local oaf
June 12, 2023 11:30 am

Come on, let’s pull the plug on the rest of Dumb Street/Home and Farm whatever they call it. “I can hear smoke!!”

As far back as the Cronulla riots, Home and Away broadcast an episode showing evil white racist flag waving Aussies attacking our culturally superior immigrants and disgracing the country.

Miltonf
Miltonf
June 12, 2023 11:32 am

Dot thanks for that stuff about the CIA- can hardly believe it. I recall that creep Dr Harry Bailey, the deep sleep head shrinker, had CIA connections. I’ve heard about the cat- disgusting.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 12, 2023 11:34 am

Latest hot take from the gruiaid hivemind…

the world desperately needs the defeat of Donald Trump.

Why?
Go on guess…
ready…

Hes not supporting endless war in the Ukraine…

We already knew that much is at stake in the November 2024 presidential election, not least the life expectancy of US democracy. But there is something else, too. Ukraine is engaged in a profound battle for its own survival as an independent nation, and for larger principles essential to the whole world: that freedom must prevail, and that aggression must not. Ukraine cannot win that fight alone. It cannot win only with the backing of its European neighbours, which, though necessary, is not sufficient. It requires the United States, its muscle and its money. The plight of Kherson and the indictment in Miami are linked: the world desperately needs the defeat of Donald Trump.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
June 12, 2023 11:35 am

Darren Weir’s daughter Taige has signed on as a trainer. Good for Darren but also her mum, who’s a terrific lady.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
June 12, 2023 11:38 am

It seemed to be reproving fundamental theorems that are well-known. Is this correct?

I think that’s harsh, there are tiny generalisations involved.

The inversion that sends z to 1/z is indeed continuous regarded as a map from the riemann sphere to itself. Zero is the South pole, \infty is the north pole, and they swap places under the map. The equator gets reflected into itself. 🙂

Johnny Rotten
June 12, 2023 11:40 am

What’s the different between a cat and a comma?

A cat has claws at the end of paws; A comma is a pause at the end of a clause.

Lysander
Lysander
June 12, 2023 11:42 am

So Cats
Last night I watched the movie, Nefarious. It’s a movie about a guy on death row about to be executed but they can’t because the system is claiming he’s insane cos he’s calling himself a demon. Great movie which is very much like Screwtape Letters in film. Blows abortion, euthanasia and a raft of other Leftist ideologies out of the water by claiming his “master is very happy with how low humanity’s morals have become.” A must watch!!!

Dot
Dot
June 12, 2023 11:43 am

Miltonf says:
June 12, 2023 at 11:32 am

Dot thanks for that stuff about the CIA- can hardly believe it.

That’s sort of why they get away with it. Normies hear “conspiracy theory” and laugh like Pavlovian dogs.

Miltonf
Miltonf
June 12, 2023 11:43 am

When will TV just die in Australia? Come on, hurry up.

Agree along with the rest of the legacy meja- it’s hung on a lot longer than I thought it would with 25 years of the internet.

Razey
Razey
June 12, 2023 11:45 am

Dotsays:
June 12, 2023 at 11:03 am
When will TV just die in Australia? Come on, hurry up.

When the boomers and older gen X die off. Maybe 20 years?

JMH
JMH
June 12, 2023 11:45 am

Thanks mole for providing a bit of Joan for us today. Enjoyed the clip and the hurling of the thing offstage.

Dot
Dot
June 12, 2023 11:47 am

BTC adoption would need to get moving dotty. Just ~ 4.2% of global population currently.

Hey, CoinJar are pretty easy to deal with. They’re not the best trading platform but I’m not a trader. I want a wallet for practical purposes and to see SHIB moon.

dopey
dopey
June 12, 2023 11:47 am

Leak cartoon reminded me of one his father did years ago, when Bin Laden turned up in Hell.

Miltonf
Miltonf
June 12, 2023 11:47 am

Well wasn’t the very term ‘conspiracy theory’ first invented by the US establishment?

Dot
Dot
June 12, 2023 11:52 am

Even the IMF had to grudgingly admit El Salvador’s bitcoinisation was a success.

https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/imf-says-el-salvadors-bitcoin-risks-have-not-materialized-should-be-addressed-2023-02-11/

The annual visit by IMF staff followed a $600 million bond payment by El Salvador last month amid investor concerns over its financing sources and fiscal policy.

The IMF’s so-called “article IV” visit has been sharply critical in the past. El Salvador’s move to make bitcoin legal tender in September 2021 effectively closed the doors to IMF financing.

While the lender noted that risks “have not materialized due to the limited bitcoin use so far,” it said the cryptocurrency’s “use could grow given its legal tender status and new legislative reforms to encourage the use of crypto assets, including tokenized bonds.”

They can’t get into more debt with the IMF? I would assume this is a good thing, not to end up like a third-world Greece like debtor nation.

Real GDP is projected to grow by 2.4 percent in 2023, the IMF said, above the historical average.

However, the lender also expressed concern over a rising current account deficit and the possible spillover effects of a recession in the United States.

OH NO THEIR PURCHASING POWER IS INCREASING, QUICK, GET INTO MORE GOVERNMENT DEBT AND DEBASE THE SAVINGS OF THE ELDERLY AND THE PRUDENT!

Miltonf
Miltonf
June 12, 2023 11:52 am

The old thief and the old slag really are obscene- this display is one of many that are designed to offend and demoralize. Truely evil.

calli
calli
June 12, 2023 11:52 am

Normies hear “conspiracy theory” and laugh like Pavlovian dogs.

Yes. That’s why I thought Gibson’s movie was so interesting. Because it all turned out to be true.

I loved the way he bit Patrick Stewart’s nose off.

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
June 12, 2023 11:53 am

Speaking of horse training.
There’s a two year old colt Steparty who looks a very likely type. A number of people I know have an interest in the horse and is trained by Paul Preusker. He’s a true bush champion in the making.
Two first up wins over short distance at Flemington and fronts up again next week at 1400 in the Taj Rossi series at Flemington.
One to watch.

Dot
Dot
June 12, 2023 11:53 am

Well wasn’t the very term ‘conspiracy theory’ first invented by the US establishment?

Indeed, by the CIA itself.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
June 12, 2023 11:56 am

Dot thanks for that stuff about the CIA- can hardly believe it.

That’s sort of why they get away with it. Normies hear “conspiracy theory” and laugh like Pavlovian dogs.

For nearly all of human history, the normal state of affairs is that a small group of people tyrannise the majority who put up with it. Briefly, in the West, mostly as a result of the bloody mindedness of the English speaking people, we have had relative freedom. During which we had science and the creation of enormous wealth.

We are now reverting to the normal state of affairs. It was good while it lasted, be grateful that you lived in the era when it still existed, but human freedom is a temporary anomaly.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
June 12, 2023 11:58 am

Miltonf says: June 12, 2023 at 11:47 am

Well wasn’t the very term ‘conspiracy theory’ first invented by the US establishment?

1. No, there’s plenty of mythbuster-type articles showing references to this term in British and American literature prior to 1963.
2. It’s totally irrelevant as to whether the US establishment invented the term because a) the term is so routinely misused (and overused) in the pejorative sense these days, and b) if the original (pre-1963) and literal meaning of the phrase fits the actual situation then it is appropriate to use the term – no matter who tried to hijack it for whichever nefarious purpose.

Miltonf
Miltonf
June 12, 2023 11:58 am

Hey Crispin just piss off

Dot
Dot
June 12, 2023 12:00 pm

1. Citation (with context) needed.
2. It matters given the way the US establishment intended it to be used.

Makka
Makka
June 12, 2023 12:01 pm

Hey, CoinJar are pretty easy to deal with.

I started an account with Coinspot a few years ago, and bought a wallet. Nothing big really but ready. Things do change.

Tom
Tom
June 12, 2023 12:04 pm

It was good while it lasted, be grateful that you lived in the era when it still existed, but human freedom is a temporary anomaly.

I’m not a pessimist like you, Beaugy. Freedom is fragile, so it’s worth fighting for!

PS: the removal of freedom is called fascism, which is why the fascist left is so sensitive to criticism about its current control of our institutions.

Miltonf
Miltonf
June 12, 2023 12:05 pm

One thing’s for sure, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

Razey
Razey
June 12, 2023 12:06 pm

but human freedom is a temporary anomaly.

Yes, but, the scamdemic has proved that most people don’t want freedom. You can be certain that the overlords have noticed this and are moving in for the kill. Who is to blame? You only need to look into a mirror.

Miltonf
Miltonf
June 12, 2023 12:07 pm

I actually reckon we’ve been living under a ‘soft’ totalitarianism since the late 70s. It still chills me when I remember how Geoffrey Blainey was treated not to mention Pauline.

Top Ender
Top Ender
June 12, 2023 12:09 pm

Meanwhile in the Territory:

Territory children are four times more likely to be reported to protection agencies than the average Aussie kid, with higher rates of neglect and physical assault occurring in our homes.

An Australian Institute of Health and Welfare report found 45,000 Australian kids were at risk of, or were being sexually, emotionally or physically abused or neglected in 2021-22.

Territory kids were the most likely in Australia to be reported to child protective services, with 6282 children in contact with Territory Families in 2021-22.

The latest data showed 1 per cent of all Territory kids either as a suspected victim of abuse or neglect, under a protection order, or in out-of-home care.

NT children were nearly twice as likely to be in out-of-home care, and four times more likely to be reported as a potential victim of abuse than the average Australian child….

The AIHW data found 83 per cent of Territory kids in contact with the protection system were Indigenous, with child safety advocates warning the over-representation of Territory First Nations kids was getting worse.

NT News

Miltonf
Miltonf
June 12, 2023 12:10 pm

The whole Blainey episode certainly cemented my dislike of Melbourne ‘University’.

Makka
Makka
June 12, 2023 12:13 pm

Yes, but, the scamdemic has proved that most people don’t want freedom.

I think that’s because most people have not paid attention to what exactly is freedom. Freedom was lost before the scamdemic. When the majority of punters handed over their decision making and choices to Big Govt- in the belief it provided for their protection and prosperity (through ginormous Debt). No need to be critical or questioning. Why think for yourself? Kids education? Meh.

So with covid it was just another decision/choice handed to the likes of Andrews and Scummo.

Miltonf
Miltonf
June 12, 2023 12:18 pm

Freedom is many things like jumping in your car and going for a drive to somewhere interesting. Or going for a drive because you like driving. Remember the Sutton creep said that was something you couldn’t do.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
June 12, 2023 12:22 pm

Dot,

1. Research in the popular press:
e.g. by AAP

While the CIA was established in 1947, an online search of the Library of Congress for the phrase “conspiracy theory” in newspapers prior to that year returns 294 results, with the earliest dated April 9, 1868.

See also one Karl Popper publishing this phrase in 1945, as quoted by de Wildt and Aupers in their Literature Review section:

In The Open Society and its Enemies (1945), Popper dedicated attention to what he called “the conspiracy theory of society” and critically pointed out, like many contemporary academics, the epistemological and methodological fallacies in this popular type of reasoning (1945: 306).

2. That’s shifting the goalposts. The pejorative baggage only matters because the first thing you have to explain in any conversation about conspiracy theories is the proper and neutral meaning you intend when you use the term “conspiracy theory” seriously. It is still totally irrelevant that any part of the “USA establishment” popularised it that way because the effect today would be the same no matter who popularised it. The derisive baggage is a function of state, not history.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 12, 2023 12:27 pm
DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
June 12, 2023 12:28 pm

I’m not a pessimist like you, Beaugy. Freedom is fragile, so it’s worth fighting for!

I’m not a pessimist, just a student of history and human nature. I agree freedom is worth fighting for, but the sad fact is that most people don’t feel that way.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
June 12, 2023 12:30 pm

Dot summarised poor old Ted’s experience:

it was designed to examine how people would break (as soldiers or spies) under enemy capture and manipulation.

Is there any chance this sort of thing continues today in Australia?

Top Ender
Top Ender
June 12, 2023 12:31 pm

Interesting…

Pink Floyd’s Roger Waters should not be cancelled over Israel

Like. Dislike. Approve. Cancel. There is no algorithm capable of appreciating the true complexity of human art. And because algorithms and AI are our new social media overlords, making all judgments black or white, Roger Waters must either be acclaimed or banished.

In court he has won the right to stage his shows uncensored, so the argument moves on: should he even be reviewed, it is asked. Were those newspapers delivering five-star ratings for his performance on his European tour conspiring, aiding and abetting his anti-Semitic tropes? The fascistic garb, railing against Tel Aviv, that flying pig? And yes, we can question whether an inflatable swine with Star of David branding is really the best way to make a point about Israel. Yet Waters isn’t alone with his thoughts. A lot of artists are troubled by Israel’s stance. More than 600 signed a letter boycotting the country’s “complicit cultural institutions” in 2021 and the list continues to grow. It includes Patti Smith, Brian Eno, Lauryn Hill and Elvis Costello. So Waters isn’t a complete outlier. He’s just more outspoken, more persistent and more willing to engage in Zionist conspiracy theories than the rest.

He always was. Pink Floyd album Animals was released on January 21, 1977, months before Never Mind the Bollocks, Here’s the Sex Pistols. Listening to both there is no doubt which is more bitter, bleak and nihilistic. By the final date of that year’s tour, Waters had grown so isolated and disillusioned he spat at the audience in Montreal. Pink Floyd’s next project was The Wall, a tale of alienation and abandonment as seen through the eyes of a downward-spiralling rock star. At one stage Pink, the central figure, imagines himself as a right-wing dictator, leading a rally disguised as a concert. He sings about putting “queers” in the audience up against a wall. He rails against Jews and “coons”. “If I had my way,” he concludes, “I’d have all of them shot.”

Waters portrayed this character on tour in a trenchcoat with a swastika-like armband of crossed hammers. Back then, it was taken for what it was – a statement against authoritarianism and oppression, completely consistent with Waters’s political stance and lyrics. Now, that same costume is reinterpreted as if it is a personal take because it is seemingly impossible to inhabit a role these days, to play a part. We live in a world in which one of its greatest actors, Michael Sheen, questions straight-faced whether a Welsh character can be portrayed by a person not from Wales, so it figures that a performer dressed as a fascist is not inhabiting but reflecting his true self. Police in Germany launched an investigation into Waters and his uniform after a concert in Berlin.

“If you’re one of those ‘I love Pink Floyd but I can’t stand Roger’s politics’ people, then you might do well to f..k off to the bar,” says a recorded announcement before Waters’s latest shows and reviewers all comment that nobody does. And why would they? Those in attendance are not the ones who want him cancelled.

Ike Turner wasn’t a nice guy. There is, however, an argument that he invented rock’n’roll with the song Rocket 88. He did not record it under his own name. Jackie Brenston, who was credited, was the band’s saxophonist. He didn’t sing on it and there is even a dispute over whether he was responsible for writing the music, although he always insisted he was. Yet to credit Turner, then 19, with the birth of a musical art form is still a less controversial statement than saying Tina Turner was never quite as good without him. Why? Because Ike Turner was, undeniably, not a nice guy. Not to Tina, nor many others.

Was David Bowie nice? He spent the late ’70s giving the appearance of a dalliance with fascism, then blamed it all on his drug addiction. By the time he died he was a saint. So it’s not just cancel culture but cancel selectiveness that is the problem, the desire to save the ones we love to love.

The Wall gets them calling the cops, but Michael Jackson’s Off the Wall? Come on. Who is going to take Don’t Stop ’Til You Get Enough off their disco heaven playlist? He was damaged, Jacko, a little boy lost. And he’s dead. He can’t even answer back. It comes to something when we can’t play our favourite records just because of unproven allegations around the sexual abuse of seven-year-olds.

Now that Gary Glitter, he’s a proper bastard. And besides, he never wrote anything half as good as Wanna Be Startin’ Somethin’. Actually, he did. It’s called Rock and Roll (Part 2) and can still be heard everywhere from American sports stadiums to films such as Joker. This is mainly because Glitter is pretty much not heard on it, so it’s attributed to the Glitter Band, not him. But it’s his song. He wrote it, with Mike Leander. And it’s a great song. Todd Phillips, who made Joker, knew that and the scene featuring Joaquin Phoenix dancing down the stairs will remain one of the most iconic of modern cinema.

And is that so bad? Would the total suppression of Rock and Roll (Part 2) do anything for Glitter’s victims? Is anything achieved by placing Roman Polanski in the vaults or consigning Pablo Picasso to the stock cupboard? True artists are better than that. They might be the worst of humankind, sometimes, but they’re still better than that.

The Times

Miltonf
Miltonf
June 12, 2023 12:31 pm

the sad fact is that most people don’t feel that way

more generalizations

Dot
Dot
June 12, 2023 12:35 pm

“the conspiracy theory of society”

That doesn’t mean what “conspiracy theory” means.

This explains the origin of the term – as we know it.

https://cognitive-liberty.online/the-conspiracy-meme-as-a-linguistic-tool-for-memetic-hegemony/

The term “conspiracy theory” was invented and put into public discourse by the CIA in 1964 in order to discredit the many skeptics who challenged the Warren Commission’s conclusion that President John F. Kennedy was assassinated by a lone gunman named Lee Harvey Oswald, who himself was assassinated while in police custody before he could be questioned. The CIA used its friends in the media to launch a campaign to make suspicion of the Warren Commission report a target of ridicule and hostility. This campaign was “one of the most successful propaganda initiatives of all time.”

This writes political science professor Lance deHaven-Smith, in his peer-reviewed book which was published by the University of Texas Press. He reports the story of how the CIA succeeded in creating in the public mind uncritical, reflexive, automatic, (System 1) stigmatization of those who challenge official government explanations (cf. ostracism).

Which is what the term means now.

You can argue there were even legitimate reasons to discredit the theories, at least to protect the CIA from reputational damage at the height of the Cold War, given their proven links to Sam Giacana.

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
June 12, 2023 12:40 pm

the sad fact is that most people don’t feel that way

more generalizations.

Just count the number of people who wore masks, stayed at home or took the jab and its multiples without question. Just look at the history of China. One damned all powerful emperor after another for millennia.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
June 12, 2023 12:42 pm

For me a really satisfying ‘conspiracy theory’ needs to be circular:

X procured Y event to happen, with Z secret agenda – but there’s no evidence of X’s involvement because it was a conspiracy.

QED conspiracy.

In the case of the current crops of officially denied or deflected awfulness (Covid response, J6, etc) the process is proving to be remarkably linear:

X procured Y event to happen, with Z secret agenda and skeletons are leaping out of cupboards everywhere.

QED government overreach and incompetence that it either doesn’t fully understand, or feel the need to cover for.

Boambee John
Boambee John
June 12, 2023 12:42 pm

thefrollickingmolesays:
June 12, 2023 at 11:34 am
Latest hot take from the gruiaid hivemind…

the world desperately needs the defeat of Donald Trump.

Why?
Go on guess…
ready…

Hes not supporting endless war in the Ukraine…

We already knew that much is at stake in the November 2024 presidential election, not least the life expectancy of US democracy. But there is something else, too. Ukraine is engaged in a profound battle for its own survival

I’m old enough to remember when the Grauniad was strongly anti-war.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 12, 2023 12:42 pm

Territory children are four times more likely to be reported to protection agencies than the average Aussie kid, with higher rates of neglect and physical assault occurring in our homes.

Let’s be pragmatic here.

The only real way we will be ‘closing the gap’ between indigenous kids and non-indigenous is if we all make the effort of reporting non-indigenous kids to authorities and spend at least 10 hours a day neglecting them.

Because there sure as hell seems to be no will to solve the problem from the indigenous side. They are already sniffing petrol and impaling each other with Star pickets because colonialism.

It is okay for us to spend millions and millions of dollars, penning columns decrying the state of affairs, and self-flagellate to perpetually purge ourselves of our eternal racism, but we obviously must draw the line at actually doing anything.

Roger
Roger
June 12, 2023 12:43 pm

La Trioli couldn’t bring herself admire Djoker’s French Open success because the wrong man won. According to this eternal teenage girl of their ABC, being the best tennis player is is not a sufficient standard for championship success.

Apparently her ratings are so bad management has been having emergency meetings.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
June 12, 2023 12:45 pm

That’s shifting the goalposts again. The hypothesis as originally stated by miltonf was:

the very term ‘conspiracy theory’ first invented by the US establishment?

That’s the term (the form), not the modern meaning often (but not always) associated with the term.
There’s two meanings, the original literal meaning (which still applies in serious contexts to charges of conspiracy), versus the derisive meaning (which I have never disputed was popularised during the Warren Commission).

I was answering the proposition as first phrased. If that was not exactly what miltonf (and yourself) meant then we really have no quarrel.

Zatara
Zatara
June 12, 2023 12:46 pm

BUTNER, NC — In a tragic development, invitations to the Unabomber’s funeral were sent out via mail, but no one has yet been willing to open one.

“Seems like a bad idea,” said former neighbor Daniel Jones, as he laid the invitation aside. “One more bomb in the mail would just be so like Ted.”

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 12, 2023 12:47 pm

Apparently her ratings are so bad management has been having emergency meetings.

Well at least some people take what she says seriously.

Roger
Roger
June 12, 2023 12:48 pm

Re the CIA, The Devil’s Chessboard by David Talbot, which is focused on Allen Dulles, is worth a look.

Tom
Tom
June 12, 2023 12:48 pm

I agree freedom is worth fighting for, but the sad fact is that most people don’t feel that way.

We’re on the same page, Doc: those who think freedom is worth fighting for are most definitely a minority, especially in Australia — the laziest country on earth with more public holidays (like today!) than anywhere else on the planet.

Most Australians just want government to leave them alone — a major problem when the fascist left’s eternal mission is to control the government as it does now. Like a smack addict with the DTs, the fascist left doesn’t care how it gets control of the population via the government– it must simply have control.

Roger
Roger
June 12, 2023 12:51 pm

Well at least some people take what she says seriously.

She reportedly has their full support.

Meanwhile, they’re probably checking how much long service leave she’s accrued.

Miltonf
Miltonf
June 12, 2023 12:52 pm

the laziest country on earth with more public holidays (like today!) than anywhere else on the planet.

really? more sweeping statements- I reckon there some pretty lazy counties in the ME and north africa.

Miltonf
Miltonf
June 12, 2023 12:54 pm

Most Australians just want government to leave them alone

well that’s certainly my wish- I think we’d be better off without them

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 12, 2023 1:00 pm

Mythbusters is about to get cancelled..

They did a “same blokes different jobs” attractiveness test on women.

Can you guess the result?
https://youtu.be/k224gY7Tn-Y

DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
June 12, 2023 1:03 pm

Like a smack addict with the DTs, the fascist left doesn’t care how it gets control of the population via the government– it must simply have control.

Yep. It’s a mental illness, the need to push others around. And unfortunately, the technology for imposing totalitarian control is now available. And being developed right now. It’s 1984 except for the actual date.

Yes, there’s a general wish to be left alone by government, but the question is, how do you react when it won’t leave you alone? Most people will just put up with gradual loss of freedom. No single hill is worth dying on. And so we stagger down the road to serfdom.

Cassie of Sydney
June 12, 2023 1:04 pm

Great Cat together last night at Lizzie and Hairy’s. I am feeling rather hungover.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
June 12, 2023 1:08 pm

As he’s been briefly topical again… reminds me of when SNL was still funny.

Ted Kaczynski’s Class Reunion – SNL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCr-lLVHPw0

Dot
Dot
June 12, 2023 1:09 pm

Do fraudulent loan applications explode in volume before a property crash? I just assume they do.

Look at the cheapest freestanding 3 br brick homes not up for auction with listed prices for Pendle Hill, Emu Plains and Kingswood or Claremont Meadows.

1.15 mn, 775k, 690k or 800k.

6% – 7% official inflation, rates outside prime borrowing edging closer to 8% and power bills up 20% every six months.

There was a 24 sq m studio apartment with no parking space in Rushcutter’s Bay that was taken off the market today that was selling for ~300k and a parking space on George St (no shower, you’re homeless without the YMCA, LOL!) for 295k for 15 sq m; ~12,500 / sq m in the Eastern Yupburbs and ~20k / sq m in the city, by gum the Eastern Suburbs looks cheap!

Years ago I saw a “granny flat” in Casula, it was a shipping container in someone else’s backyard, 300 pw. For extra security, you could probably be locked in it! Does Corten steel stop 9 mm +P+ parabellum?

Johnny Rotten
June 12, 2023 1:09 pm

Miltonfsays:
June 12, 2023 at 12:52 pm
the laziest country on earth with more public holidays (like today!) than anywhere else on the planet.

really? more sweeping statements- I reckon there some pretty lazy counties in the ME and north africa.

Nepal looks like the winner with 35 Public Holidays a year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_public_holidays#:~:text=The%20following%20table%20is%20a,the%20world%20with%2035%20annually.

Dot
Dot
June 12, 2023 1:12 pm

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Dot
Dot
June 12, 2023 1:14 pm

I hate Quora but it’s been a trove lately.

https://www.quora.com/Did-the-CIA-invent-the-term-conspiracy-theory

Chris Venes
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Ph.D from Case Western Reserve University3y

Yes, below is a quote from the 1967 CIA document that was produced as dissent was growing during the buildup to the Jim Garrison inquiry into the Assassination of John F. Kennedy, 35th President of the United States.

It is quite easy for a disinformation agent to spin a rich disinformation tale and then craft several different versions of the tale with new ‘facts’ to support the story in each one. These tales are usually a good mix of verifiable facts and cleverly designed lies, so that people who check the ‘facts’ tend to believe the lies that are mixed in.

“Conspiracy theory’ is a term that strikes fear and anxiety in the hearts of most every public figure, particularly journalists and academics. Since the 1960s the label has become a disciplinary device that has been overwhelmingly effective in defining certain events as off limits to inquiry or debate. Especially in the United States, raising legitimate questions about dubious official narratives destined to inform public opinion (and thereby public policy) is a major thought crime that must be cauterized from the public psyche at all costs… CIA Document 1035-960 played a definitive role in making the ‘conspiracy theory’ term a weapon to be wielded against almost any individual or group calling the government’s increasingly clandestine programs and activities into question.” – From CIA Document 1035-960

JC
JC
June 12, 2023 1:18 pm

thefrollickingmole says:
June 12, 2023 at 1:00 pm

Mythbusters is about to get cancelled..

They did a “same blokes different jobs” attractiveness test on women.

Can you guess the result?
https://youtu.be/k224gY7Tn-Y

see one of the comments?

Hahahahahahaha

Cotton Soxx

Can a woman make a man a millionaire?
Yes, if he’s a billionaire.

Ain’t that the truth!

miltonf
miltonf
June 12, 2023 1:19 pm

I know in Vicco it’s a long time between King’s birthday and Melb cup.

JC
JC
June 12, 2023 1:24 pm

DrBeauGan says:
June 12, 2023 at 12:28 pm

I’m not a pessimist like you, Beaugy. Freedom is fragile, so it’s worth fighting for!

I’m not a pessimist, just a student of history and human nature. I agree freedom is worth fighting for, but the sad fact is that most people don’t feel that way.

It ebbs and flows, Doc. There’s not just one period when things went well and then collapsed. You also need to apply that summation to different regions and countries. Take Italy. Unification was basically a disaster. There was much more freedom when the Peninsula was basically a loose set of republics.

The US is a real curly one. Was the US freer before the Civil War or afterwards considering that approx 10% of the population was living under slavery.
I don’t believe you can condense your argument to a few sentences or paragraphs.

JC
JC
June 12, 2023 1:25 pm

Cassie of Sydney says:
June 12, 2023 at 1:04 pm

Great Cat together last night at Lizzie and Hairy’s. I am feeling rather hungover.

Yeah, it was great. Pity I had to leave early though. 🙂

JC
JC
June 12, 2023 1:27 pm

Miltonf says:
June 12, 2023 at 12:52 pm

the laziest country on earth with more public holidays (like today!) than anywhere else on the planet.

really? more sweeping statements- I reckon there some pretty lazy counties in the ME and north africa.

I don’t know about north Africa. I’ve always said, the laziest human beings on earth are the Saudis. Those lazy fcks would find it strenuous to get out of the couch to visit a toilet.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
June 12, 2023 1:28 pm

Yeah, it was great. Pity I had to leave early though. ?

Did you bring Monty?
The self whacking piñata.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
June 12, 2023 1:29 pm

Dot quoted:

Since the 1960s the label has become a disciplinary device

Thanks for proving my point.

JC
JC
June 12, 2023 1:30 pm

Colonel Crispin Berka says:
June 12, 2023 at 1:08 pm

As he’s been briefly topical again… reminds me of when SNL was still funny.

Ted Kaczynski’s Class Reunion – SNL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCr-lLVHPw0

LOl.. Hilarious.

Dot
Dot
June 12, 2023 1:32 pm

Thanks for proving my point.

Maybe. Not having a fixed meaning until it got weaponised, would imply that the meaning imputed to it was in fact when it was “invented”.

Anchor What
Anchor What
June 12, 2023 1:32 pm

Daytime Sky gives Bill Barr’s summary without demur and refers to Trump having classified documents “scattered around his home “!

Anchor What
Anchor What
June 12, 2023 1:33 pm

Great Cat together last night at Lizzie and Hairy’s.
Ignored again!

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 12, 2023 1:34 pm

Yuval Noah Harari is repeating similar sh*t today. A face worthy of a steel cap boot.

The Jaxen Report with Del Bigtree:

THE ORIGINS OF EUGENICS

miltonf
miltonf
June 12, 2023 1:36 pm

That’s why Murdoch can jam sky up his arse

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
June 12, 2023 1:40 pm

Cassie of Sydneysays:
June 12, 2023 at 1:04 pm
Great Cat together last night at Lizzie and Hairy’s. I am feeling rather hungover.

500ml of water with a decent serving of hot chips with chicken salt will help, lovely lady.

bons
bons
June 12, 2023 1:41 pm

Oh God!
The bus accident is simply incomprehensible. How many families are in distress?

Inevitably, given the nature of our elites, we should standby for a rash of regulations, licence fees, additional union provided training programs, threats from plod, and further restrictions on freedoms.

Lots of opportunities for Little Jo Albanese to dream up a new levy.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 12, 2023 1:43 pm

Daytime Sky gives Bill Barr’s summary without demur and refers to Trump having classified documents “scattered around his home “!

It really is quite clever the way they do that.

During the day they can cater for people who would be watching TV during the day – a lighter less rigorous fare, not taxing, broadly in line with the rest of the MSM.

But at night they aim for the demographic that works during the day and is more mentally alert.

JC
JC
June 12, 2023 1:46 pm

miltonf says:
June 12, 2023 at 1:36 pm

That’s why Murdoch can jam sky up his arse

Milt, think of it this way. You have a business that needs to make money. The guy running the show at prime time has a huge audience, but the only problem is that it only attracts ads for pillows because advertisers refuse to place ads during the show. What do you do?

Tucker and Fox were probably a mismatch as Tucker needs a new venue. Tucker isn’t going away and neither is Foxnews. That means there will be Tucker doing his show elsewhere and Fox will re-tune the prime time segment to attract more ads. We don’t lose much and if anything make a gain.

miltonf
miltonf
June 12, 2023 1:50 pm

yes true JC and the whole thing is shifting over to the internet.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 12, 2023 1:50 pm

I will concede that Kaczinski’s involvement in the Harvard experiment might have been a contributing factor to his later crimes, but I think it is a stretch to say they turned a normie into a psycho solely through those tests.
I think the key thing which might have triggered him was replaying irrefutable evidence of him “getting something wrong” or being inconsistent or confused.
He had grown up with an unshakeable faith in his own brilliance and infallibility (fed by mummy) and couldn’t handle empirical evidence which ran counter to this belief. I think he went into the experiment eager to prove that he could beat it.
Again, I think his biggest problem was his excellence in one extremely narrow field didn’t translate to function at even the most basic level in any other field of endeavour.
Example. Let’s examine his chosen adult career as a postal bomber.
Ignoring for a moment that he did inflict terrible suffering on many people, when considered objectively, his success rate was abysmally poor.
He sent sixteen bombs over 17 years, killing three people and injuring 23.
So, for someone with a brilliant mind, he couldn’t achieve a kill to injured ratio much above 10% and only killed one person for every five bombs sent.
He had massive advantages over the FBI. He could operate without leaving any financial or CCTV footprint.
He had oodles of time to construct his devices (even collecting match heads and emptying bullet casings to source incendiary material).
Although his targets seemed to make sense to his warped mind, they had little logical connection. They were really quite random and therefore were difficult to predict and defend against. So that, coupled with the extended times between bombings, meant that he always had surprise on his side.
And yet he still couldn’t design a device with even a moderate probability of lethality.
He compares quite unfavourably as a terrorist with those of his fellow travellers he would regard as his inferiors – IRA, Taliban, ANC.
His arrogance and narcissism came across in his FBI/Police interviews, again with his “intellectual inferiors”. Time and again they would lay the bait and Ted would bite. He couldn’t resist showing them how smart he was (and all the while building his own death penalty case).

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
June 12, 2023 1:51 pm

A Concerned Social Worker speaks out:

Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek, backed her colleague on Monday morning, saying there is “no one with more integrity in the parliament than Katy Gallagher”.

Ms Plibersek also called for a return to the main issues and pleaded for the media and opposition to stop the politicisation of Ms Higgins’ rape allegation and called for a return to the “central point”.

“I do think we’re once again missing the point here,” she told Channel 7.

“The central point here is that a young woman made an allegation that she had been sexually assaulted in her workplace and that it had been inappropriately investigated … even covered up by her employers.

“What really worries me about this … is if you are a young woman, looking at the way this has unravelled – with personal SMS messages making it into the public domain, leaked to journalists, counselling records being given to the opposing legal team, private conversations taped and released to the public – you would really think twice about making a complaint.

Tanya makes some reasonable points:

• Don’t take your complaint to the media if you don’t want media to do shitty media stuff;
• Ensure whoever is prosecuting your case is marginally competent;
• Don’t record private conversations.

Sadly, too late for Brinny.

Dot
Dot
June 12, 2023 1:52 pm

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DrBeauGan
DrBeauGan
June 12, 2023 1:54 pm

It ebbs and flows, Doc.

Sure there are interactions between regions, but take any place with a single government for an extended period and look at the size of government by the fraction it takes in tax.
It grows. Except for a brief period after a war, it just increases. And the freedom of the governed decreases.
In the early nineteenth century in England, there were no passports and no gun restrictions. If you wanted to go to Europe, you just packed and booked a passage, then off you went. Dr. Watson was asked by Sherlock Holmes to bring his revolver on an adventure.

Currently, if you live in Kent and want to go to Cumberland, you just pack and drive there or take a train. Do you think it will be that easy after the government has banned IC cars? Or introduced twenty minute cities? Or lockdowns in the next pandemic? I had to get government permission to get home from Queensland. That would have been unthinkable ten years ago. And the rationale for it was infantile.

The reduction in freedom has been progressing for over a century in the Anglosphere. And speeding up in the last few years. You ought to have noticed.

miltonf
miltonf
June 12, 2023 1:55 pm

For me the whole thing about pay-tv since it came here in the 90s was ‘why should I be paying for something that used to be free’. Ok I know I was forced to pay for the ABC back then (actually it wasn’t completely unwatchable back then).

miltonf
miltonf
June 12, 2023 1:57 pm

“no one with more integrity in the parliament than Katy Gallagher”

ha ha- that doesn’t say much for parliament

Crossie
Crossie
June 12, 2023 1:57 pm

Just had a good laugh watching an interview on Sky with Marina Prior who was honoured for the King’s birthday. She said she got an email from the Governor General and thought it was a scam. She commented to her husband that at the bottom will be a request for her bank account at the boom o the email. She said she was glad she read the whole thing and didn’t delete it as was her initial impulse.

JC
JC
June 12, 2023 1:58 pm

Milt

Twitter will give Tucker as much room as he wants because under that Section 230 rule, Twitter can’t be sued like Fox was, which ended up paying ~$800 million. It’s a much better USspot for him and the potential to make money is huge. With the right setup, Tucker could earn $100 million a year instead of the $10 million he was making at Fox.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
June 12, 2023 1:59 pm

Cassie of Sydney says:
June 12, 2023 at 1:04 pm

Great Cat together last night at Lizzie and Hairy’s. I am feeling rather hungover.

#metoo
Kind of glad I had a plane to catch and had to leave.

Anchor What
Anchor What
June 12, 2023 2:04 pm

“no one with more integrity in the parliament than Katy Gallagher”.
Truest thing she has ever said.

Anchor What
Anchor What
June 12, 2023 2:05 pm

But she left out “in our party or the Greens, Teals”.

Crossie
Crossie
June 12, 2023 2:08 pm

We only have to look at the last several years. The methods may have changed but the intent and objectives are the same. Not so much mind control, but the ability to exert control over populations. Through blanket surveillance, violence, coercion, censorship and 24/7 propaganda the CIA and others fingerprints are all over our daily lives. Big Pharma joyfully played a part in profiting from Covid but the intent was really conditioning– how would populations react to massive sudden onerous restrictions and deprivations? Could the media be controlled and play its part?

Makka, if we are wading into the conspiracy theory waters why not this in the case of the US? The Covid vaccines were pushed on us knowing that they are dangerous and may either kill a lot of people, render them sterile or incapacitated for extended periods of time. Even though you locked down your population the illegal immigrants were still permitted to arrive and nobody asked whether they were vaccinated or made the, take the vaccine as a condition of being allowed to stay.

You don’t like your population, their attitude to freedom and the law so you get rid of them and import a replacement population who will do as they are told.

Jorge
Jorge
June 12, 2023 2:14 pm

Way upthread some mention of Hillsong and other churches.

Near me is an old red brick Baptist church, rather small in size, faded to an unattractive tan over the years. Think an angry Tan Grant and you’ll have the shade. Anyway, some time ago in this now heavily Chinese area, they installed a screen with bright flashing coloured LEDs out front. They use this to promote messages like ‘Equal rights doesn’t mean less rights for you. It’s not pie’. Who is this ‘you’ ? Chinese ? They are everywhere in the area. Perhaps it’s white people who have vanished from the area as silently as an Aboriginal clan, but who once built and maintained the sad chapel for many years until recently when the woke enthusiasts got control. On the screen are cartoon faces of Muslim women in headscarves and black, brown and yellow faces. They seem to think that the vanished white tribe needs its knuckles rapped. Only they’re not here anymore to get that rebuke. On a side street just behind the main building there is another with offices and meeting rooms which feature a generous display of trans posters saying ‘You Are Loved’. Nowhere in any of this is there any mention of Christ. It’s given over entirely to politics. The whole thing makes you want to vomit and I’m sure the ethnics respond less than warmly to that message. I used to have a sneaking regard for older Baptists who were uncompromising when it came to scripture. But this lot are like sheep led astray.

Speedbox
June 12, 2023 2:14 pm

bons says:
June 12, 2023 at 1:41 pm
Oh God!
The bus accident is simply incomprehensible. How many families are in distress?

Yes, awful. 10 dead and some 20+ with assorted injuries, some very serious. Terrible.

Looking at the published photos of the scene and an aerial shot, it appears the driver has come into the roundabout too fast and tried to make a turn. Skid marks suggest that he realised (too late) but by then the bus slid into the kerb thereby causing it to tip over on its side. Worse, at the place the bus tipped over is an armco rail which would cut through the side of a bus like a hot knife through butter.

Of course, when a bus crashes onto its side, those on the ‘high side’ are thrown downwards and those on the low side have high side passengers falling on them plus, in this instance, the armco slicing the bus at around waist/head level.

While the families must be in terrible distress, spare a thought for the first responders. This carnage, with some 30 people either dead or injured would have been a vision some will take a long time to process. I get they are all professionals and are trained for the grizzly aftermath, but I’d imagine even the most experienced will take some time to psychologically manage that sight.

And the bus was returning with guests from the joyous celebration of a marriage. What an appalling end.

JC
JC
June 12, 2023 2:17 pm

The reduction in freedom has been progressing for over a century in the Anglosphere. And speeding up in the last few years. You ought to have noticed.

That’s a little selective though. Take the US before and after the Civil War. Also take the US after they deposed of Jim Crow. It’s basically been since Bush 2 that we’ve seen some serious clamp down on freedoms.

Tom
Tom
June 12, 2023 2:19 pm

With the right setup, Tucker could earn $100 million a year instead of the $10 million he was making at Fox.

Correct.

I like to think of it as a variation of Say’s Law — supply creates demand.

In a world run by radical lunatics, there is huge demand for a media voice of reason and sanity.

None of the corporate media* is supplying it, Fox News having surrendered to the Democratic Party’s demand that it take Tucker Carlson off the air.

In the past five years, streaming technology has revolutionised electronic media and threatens to make Fox News a dinosaur, especially now that it has sold out the audience it was set up to serve — the half of America that doesn’t vote Democrat.

Note: the next episode of Tucker on Twitter is coming on Tuesday (US Time).

Vicki
Vicki
June 12, 2023 2:23 pm

Did you bring Monty?

Really??? Was he there????

Tom
Tom
June 12, 2023 2:23 pm

None of the corporate media* is supplying it

*the exception being Outsiders on Sky News between 9am and 11am on Sunday mornings.

Surprise, surprise: Outsiders is Sky’s No.1 show — every week.

JC
JC
June 12, 2023 2:27 pm

Doc
Again, the US is replete with stats we can only dream of. A few years ago, there was a piece in Reason magazine that showed that despite all the ebbs and flows in the tax system, the federal take against the citizens has been amazingly steady at around 19% of gross income. People simply adjust their lives to avoid paying more.

I’ll try to dig it up.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 12, 2023 2:44 pm

People are still trying on this “I was so surprised to receive the honour” with reference to the Queens/Kings birthday honours.
Seriously, you are informed of the nomination.
And the higher the award, the more hoops have to be jumped through.
That is, the award itself is never a surprise.
These types really do think the entire population are low information consumers.

JC
JC
June 12, 2023 2:54 pm

How interesting, the reusable mortgage. No matter if you sell the home, you can sell it with the existing (inherited) mortgage to approved buyers.

Just the ignore the “he and his husband” bit and read on. Pretend, it was a gam error.

When Matthew Kilboy listed the Washington, D.C., condominium that he and his husband had bought in 2017, they accepted that higher interest rates and a soft market for condos meant any dollar over the $529,000 they had paid was a dollar they would thank their lucky stars for.

A similar two-bedroom and two-bath unit in the building had recently gone for just under half a million. The $549,000 price they listed in April was basically a wish.

A month later, the couple closed at $565,000 — thanks to a little-known amenity that has become increasingly popular as mortgage rates have risen. Their unit came with an assumable 30-year mortgage, with a 2.25% fixed rate that the couple had locked in after a November 2020 refinancing. By advertising that the buyer could inherit the mortgage, the couple, who have moved to Denver, got several over-asking-price bids that seemed like a relic from the warped real estate market during the COVID lockdown.

“It was the very first sentence of the listing,” said Kilboy, 39, a former Navy nurse whose loan, backed by the Department of Veterans Affairs, could be passed to the buyer. “No one could find an interest rate that low, so we were really pushing it.”

The Federal Reserve might have slowed interest rate increases, but monthly mortgage costs remain more than double their levels from 18 months ago.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
June 12, 2023 2:54 pm

Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek, backed her colleague on Monday morning, saying there is “no one with more integrity in the parliament than Katy Gallagher”.

Degrees of integrity among politicians?

I would quote Samuel Johnson:

“Sir, there is no settling the point of precedency between a louse and a flea.”

Bourne1879
Bourne1879
June 12, 2023 2:56 pm

This is probably my last post here as I have found out some terrible news.

I can’t even understand why you lot are still here pretending life is normal. Or are you all in denial?

Well known climate expert Greta Thunberg 5 years ago predicted the end of the world.

We only have 10 days left!

But let’s look on the bright side. Good news is won’t have to see; the wasted money on the subs, any SAS guys face trial, neither Biden or Trump or Albo reelected, no need for another vaccine to name just a few.

However I was really looking forward to seeing Extraction 2 on Netflix. Hope it comes on quick.

My apologies if I have ruined your day but thought you needed to know. Spend your remaining days wisely.

Eat, drink and be merry!

JC
JC
June 12, 2023 2:57 pm
H B Bear
H B Bear
June 12, 2023 3:01 pm

Roger at 12:43

Apparently her ratings are so bad management has been having emergency

Vitrioli is certainly at the pointy end of everything that’s wrong with the ALPBC. In commercial radio she would have been shown the door years ago.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 12, 2023 3:03 pm

Ooops that quote is a bit wonky. Apologies Roger.

feelthebern
feelthebern
June 12, 2023 3:06 pm

Just scrolling through the awards.
So many horrible people adding to their collection.
Maxine McKew.
Groan.

H B Bear
H B Bear
June 12, 2023 3:07 pm

Meanwhile, they’re probably checking how much long service leave she’s accrued.

You suspect the cost of the Quentin Dumpster Long Goodbye is the only thing keeping the remnants of Fauxfacts alive at the moment.

calli
calli
June 12, 2023 3:11 pm

Bourne, you rotter! I started reading that and the pit of my stomach did a cartwheel. I thought you were about to reveal a horrible illness.

And this one is only up to 2014. Pre-Dumbberg.

calli
calli
June 12, 2023 3:13 pm

Those gongs have become a ready reckoner on the people you don’t want to have a thing to do with. Especially the ones who use the honorific in correspondence.

  1. The we’re screwed piece was screwed up, I meant to be this one. ‘We can easily turn into the unlucky…

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