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rickw
rickw
July 20, 2023 12:29 pm

encourage rent-seeking, a Productivity Commission report warns

Isn’t that Australia’s national business model.

flyingduk
flyingduk
July 20, 2023 12:31 pm

That was really the question! I’ve been somewhat dubious ever since I saw one of them idly flicking the safety on and off while talking shit with her friend! ?

I shot one recently (contract shooter mates) and the little thumb safety is pretty attractive for same…..

Plasmamortar
Plasmamortar
July 20, 2023 12:31 pm

One of the great ironies of the lefts desire to disarm citizens is that those who arguably benefit most from the ‘equalising’ effect of firearms are lightly built women.

Yes, firearms the the only weapon that gives a 45kg female a fighting chance against a 110kg rugby player or heavyweight boxer.

But it’s not about saving lives, it’s about disarmament.

Always remember: we are not allowed any form of weapon, lethal or non lethal for self defence in this country.

However, we use armed personnel and armoured vehicles to transport money.

Gives us a look into what our lives are valued at by our government…

Roger
Roger
July 20, 2023 12:37 pm

By doing so, those that launched the weapon are making all civilian ships legitimate targets. This is pretty simple stuff.

Do you have idea what is involved what you’re suggesting?

The Russians would be targeting ships sailing under the flags of nations that are not a party to the war, in waters in which freedom of navigation is guaranteed by international treaty.

Such actions would risk escalation into a multilateral war.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 20, 2023 12:37 pm

Cassie emails me that The Stalker made two comments relevant to me yesterday morning, while I was happily dancing with my friends. She believe the upticks are manipulated, but I don’t. I haven’t scrolled back, no interest, and it’s a trial anyway with the necessary wait-times to do so. I’ve answered various comments I did see in a brief scroll back at the end of the old thread and whatever she’s said, she can stick it up her jumper, as we used to say. She has huge stalking form on this blog. If she can get over it, then good luck to her. I am continuing on here very much as usual, so she hasn’t got her wish and booted me. I came back in here three years ago after a considerable absense due to her stalking, and while the stalking has continued in spurts, I’ve managed to ignore it and move on, till just recently. I can’t say that I feel at all welcome here but I am here and the scroll wheel is available to all.

cohenite
July 20, 2023 12:38 pm

Matu Tangi Matua Reid – PS – Police confirmed the man did not have a gun licence.

Yeah the gun bans after the greenie shoot up of the mosque really worked. But being a Maori perhaps he had special gun rights on account they invented them and everything else the 3rd nations didn’t dream up.

Speedbox
July 20, 2023 12:38 pm

Don’t know what you’ve done to the site Dover, but the pages are loading at a rate I haven’t seen for a while. Blisteringly fast. Whatever it is, good job.

Roger
Roger
July 20, 2023 12:38 pm

Isn’t that Australia’s national business model.

Maate!

Ed Case
Ed Case
July 20, 2023 12:39 pm

Always remember: we are not allowed any form of weapon, lethal or non lethal for self defence in this country.

Dunno about that?
A star picket, half a brick, whatever’s handy can be fairly lethal.
What you can’t do is walk around with a knife in your pocket [or stuck down your boot].
How often would you have to defend your life in your lifetime?
For the vast majority, it would never happen.

Razey
Razey
July 20, 2023 12:40 pm

Matu Tangi Matua Reid – PS – Police confirmed the man did not have a gun licence.

Luckily he wasn’t white. But I’m sure they’ll blame it on whites anyway.

flyingduk
flyingduk
July 20, 2023 12:40 pm

Matu Tangi Matua Reid – PS – Police confirmed the man did not have a gun licence.

Thats awkward – his racial identity and that prove he could not have been the shooter (do I need a /sarc here?)

duncanm
duncanm
July 20, 2023 12:41 pm

P
Jul 20, 2023 9:35 AM
No exemption for religious organisations in Government censorship bill
20 July 2023

so teaching creation and other religious myths will now be tagged misinformation and banned?

Pogria
Pogria
July 20, 2023 12:41 pm

rickw,
at least she isn’t fat like most aussie coppers.

duncanm
duncanm
July 20, 2023 12:43 pm

Sancho Panzer
Jul 20, 2023 9:42 AM
JC

Jul 20, 2023 9:31 AM

Duk

I’ll bet you there’s no war.

I think all the tizz in defence is probably about Pride month.
Besides, it’s their job to keep beating up war prospects to keep the flow of new toys coming.

you forget they can do they by beating up the threat of domestic terrorism.

John H.
John H.
July 20, 2023 12:45 pm
Plasmamortar
Plasmamortar
July 20, 2023 12:45 pm

Dunno about that?
A star picket, half a brick, whatever’s handy can be fairly lethal.
What you can’t do is walk around with a knife in your pocket [or stuck down your boot].
How often would you have to defend your life in your lifetime?
For the vast majority, it would never happen.

I love it when people purposely miss/avoid the point…

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
July 20, 2023 12:48 pm

I just heard that Biden is back on his Student Debt Forgiveness thing again.

Anyone know if he has found a dishonest spin on an existing provision of some law? Or merely announcing he is embarking on a hunting expedition for one?

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
July 20, 2023 12:52 pm

Roger.
One of the principles of a legal blockade is it has to be announced, and it has to be enforceable.

I’m dubious of the “ launched from a grain ship” story, however if that was done then it’s a stupid provocation/ escalation. More likely launched from any old ship mixing in with normal commercial traffic.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 20, 2023 12:54 pm

Friendly peoples, that’s very kind of you, thank you for your good wishes.
No need for any more, I’m not here for that, and I’ve already had a really nice chat with my oldest son who thanked me heartily for trying to help him diagnose what may be wrong with him. We share a love of words. Just as words. Beautiful and amazing words that sprinkle out of the human desire to communicate.

GreyRanga:

My nearly 3 grandson can’t work out why his mother calls MiL Nana. When SiL said she is now a Nana that really confused him. He is starting to recognise written words.

It’s so lovely to see a child in normal development. The contrast with my little four year old grandson is very marked, the son of the son I had with Hairy, a small for his age little fellow who is nowhere near written words, and has almost no spoken ones, as well as other seriously autistic behaviours. On the NDIS immediately as very damaged, fully on the spectrum, and our son is taking it rather hard. Our daughter’s son, Hairy’s other grandson, is a chirpy little soul full of cleverness and mischief and normality (so it seems), but we are yet to hear how his possible Marfan’s diagnosis is progressing. They’ve been away in Bali till recently and haven’t got back to us yet re that. We shall be going up to Qld as soon as we get back from Malaysia, possibly they are waiting till then to discuss things.

shatterzzz
July 20, 2023 12:55 pm

So that Campbell woman was already on close to $900k?
She moved over on the same salary from one job to the other .. she, actually, gets paid more than her, nominal, boss …..
how on earth is it possible for any PS to earn more than the boss .. without O/T ……?

John H.
John H.
July 20, 2023 12:56 pm

duncanm
Jul 20, 2023 12:41 PM
P
Jul 20, 2023 9:35 AM
No exemption for religious organisations in Government censorship bill
20 July 2023

so teaching creation and other religious myths will now be tagged misinformation and banned?

Banning creationism may have the unintended consequence of promoting Christianity because younger generations in the USA report that the promotion of creationism by some churches is an important reason they are not going to church.

What infuriates me no end is that while the Abrahamic religions are subject to relentless criticism we must not question the myths of indigenous peoples. Whether or not we believe in a religion is irrelevant, it is a brute fact that the Abrahamic religions are much more developed and nuanced than the myths of indigenous peoples.

will
will
July 20, 2023 1:02 pm

shatterzzz
Jul 20, 2023 12:55 PM
So that Campbell woman was already on close to $900k?
She moved over on the same salary from one job to the other .. she, actually, gets paid more than her, nominal, boss …..
how on earth is it possible for any PS to earn more than the boss .. without O/T ……

its a small club, and you a’int in it

will
will
July 20, 2023 1:02 pm

shatterzzz
Jul 20, 2023 12:55 PM
So that Campbell woman was already on close to $900k?
She moved over on the same salary from one job to the other .. she, actually, gets paid more than her, nominal, boss …..
how on earth is it possible for any PS to earn more than the boss .. without O/T ……

its a small club, and you a’int in it

will
will
July 20, 2023 1:02 pm

shatterzzz
Jul 20, 2023 12:55 PM
So that Campbell woman was already on close to $900k?
She moved over on the same salary from one job to the other .. she, actually, gets paid more than her, nominal, boss …..
how on earth is it possible for any PS to earn more than the boss .. without O/T ……

its a small club, and you a’int in it

Lysander
Lysander
July 20, 2023 1:04 pm

“when you outlaw guns, only the outlaws have guns”

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 20, 2023 1:21 pm

All good wishes for a Happy Birthday, LizzieB.

Ed Case
Ed Case
July 20, 2023 1:22 pm

Libertarian ‘thought’:

From the stupid to the insane, and everything in between
Shemp Howard

Ed Case
Ed Case
July 20, 2023 1:25 pm

“when you outlaw guns, only the outlaws have guns”

When you outlaw guns, a whole lotta people end up not gettin’ shot

Andy Warhol

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 20, 2023 1:27 pm

At about 9.11am the next day, on January 27, Mr Llewellyn sent another text to say the couple were checked as his ‘dependents’ for Covid purposes to ensure the hotel would only have a record of his phone number

Any charges for making a false statement in breach of Covid regulations?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 20, 2023 1:29 pm

Ticking trial.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
July 20, 2023 1:32 pm

Just got back from shopping. No wonder there are so many so called accidents, they’re not at all. Edley’s and mutley’s not paying attention to what they’re doing. In the space of 3km had 4 cars in right lane over 400m between lights push over the left lane to exit into the left turn lane. Pull away from the lights, 2 into 1lane. Bloke beside me although I’m further forward, drives up on the median strip trying to get past. He runs out of room. Silly old fart trying to back in carport will not back far enough, turn the wheels or look. Granny in shop runs into me with shopping trolley not looking where she is going. This is a weekly event. I’ve started swearing at them. Somehow it seems to be my fault for standing still. Grrrrr.

JC
JC
July 20, 2023 1:32 pm

duncanm

you forget they can do they by beating up the threat of domestic terrorism.

Who eggsactly would be doing that? Latin Mass Catholics? 🙂

JC
JC
July 20, 2023 1:34 pm

Happy 91st, Liz. Hope you have or had a great day.

P
P
July 20, 2023 1:36 pm

THE LEFT IS REENGINEERING THE HUMAN SOUL. OUR CHILDREN ARE THE GUINEA PIGS.
by Christopher Rufo
7 . 18 . 23

Excerpted from America’s Cultural Revolution: How the Radical Left Conquered Everything

The Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin raised his glass to a group of artists assembled at the home of famed writer Maxim Gorky in 1932. “The ‘production’ of souls is more important than the production of tanks,” he said, explaining that the communists desired not only to remake the world of politics and economics, but to reshape human nature according to the dictates of left-wing ideology. “And so,” he continued, “I raise my glass to you, writers, the engineers of the human soul.”

JC
JC
July 20, 2023 1:39 pm

What a great come back. You want to turn people into slaves to provide “free Medicine”? Well you go pick cotton then.

The Libertarian Party of New Hampshire received backlash on Wednesday after it suggested former Ohio state Senator Nina Turner to pick crops for free during an argument over free insulin.

After Turner tweeted, “Insulin should be free. Medicine should be free,” the Libertarian Party of New Hampshire’s official Twitter account responded with a series of posts.

“Nina Turner picking crops should be free,” the party wrote. “‘Insulin should be free’ is equally offensive as calling for someone to be compelled to pick crops.”

JC
JC
July 20, 2023 1:40 pm

Before you get on your high horse, I’m just kidding, Liz. Happy birthday.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 20, 2023 1:41 pm

Leaked WhatsApp texts between David Sharaz and a producer for The Project reveal his fiancée Brittany Higgins ‘stress-grabbed’ a $90 bottle of Bollinger champagne from a hotel room after her explosive five-hour chat with Lisa Wilkinson.

OK.
I am using that one.
“I ‘stress grabbed’ a 5 Series Beemer from the car park”
“Ronnie Biggs ‘stress grabbed’ a few bags of used banknotes from the Royal Mail train”.
“I ‘stress grabbed’ the 104 piece socket set from the back of the Snap-On Tools truck”.

The 8th Commandment:-
“Thou shalt not stress grab stuff which dost not belong to thou.”

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 20, 2023 1:44 pm

JC

Jul 20, 2023 1:34 PM

Happy 91st, Liz. Hope you have or had a great day.

So no telegram from King Charles on this orbit of the sun?
My apologies.
Although, in my defence, Lizzie’s age has been somewhat fluid over the journey.
She went from ‘perky emerging elder’ to ‘really old elder’ in the blink of an eye.
Or is that a wink of an eye?

cohenite
July 20, 2023 1:48 pm

Good indirect poll on the screech when Sandilands went ballistic and tore a woke newsreader a new crutch when she starting simpering on air about the poor 3rd nations. Kyle stated the obvious about the enormous assistance the 3rd nations get now and how they’ve had all the opportunity other citizens have. Remarkable common sense from one of the media scum. Maybe the vibrator rub and tug gave Sandilands for his wedding present is a dud. The comments in the Daily Mail, a punter magazine if ever there was one, is 100% behind Sandilands.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 20, 2023 1:53 pm

Queue Towel guy at 1:48.
Being the vacuous dick that he is, I would expect Kyle Sandilands to bend whichever way his ratings weather-vane dictates he should.
Which is very telling.

Ed Case
Ed Case
July 20, 2023 1:54 pm

Looking at the latest Fadden By Election results, if the nLNP candidate continues to win 70% of the Postal votes, with 4,000 received but uncounted, he’s on track to win the Seat on Primaries, something that hasn’t happened there since Tony Abbott lied his way into The Lodge 10 long years ago.
Terrific effort by the LNP!

Mallee Miss
Mallee Miss
July 20, 2023 1:54 pm

The voice must be in real trouble if Labor has to use Simon Crean’s funeral to push it.

MarcH
July 20, 2023 1:55 pm
cohenite
July 20, 2023 1:56 pm

When you outlaw guns, a whole lotta people end up not gettin’ shot

Andy Warhol

Nah crotchless. The US demorat cities with gun laws tougher than in Awfulstralia have runaway gun crime. Also if you take away black and trannie gun crime the rate is the same as Awfulstralia’s.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 20, 2023 1:57 pm

Remember, Kyle has always been the ALP’s go-to guy to reach Sydney’s bogan audience.
Which, let’s face it, is 93.1% of them.

Lysander
Lysander
July 20, 2023 1:58 pm
flyingduk
flyingduk
July 20, 2023 2:06 pm

After Turner tweeted, “Insulin should be free. Medicine should be free,” the Libertarian Party of New Hampshire’s official Twitter account responded with a series of posts.

If not free, it should at least be ‘too cheap to meter’….

Lysander
Lysander
July 20, 2023 2:06 pm
bons
bons
July 20, 2023 2:08 pm

It is interesting that CMT, of all outfits, pulled Jason Aldean’s ‘Try that in a Small Town’.
I would have thought that CMT perhaps more than any other outfit would be vulnerable to a country folk backlash.
Heavy guns must have been brought to bear.
It is too late anyway, the song has gone viral.

Ed Case
Ed Case
July 20, 2023 2:10 pm

The US demorat cities with gun laws tougher than in Awfulstralia have runaway gun crime.
Okay.
Also if you take away black and trannie gun crime the rate is the same as Awfulstralia’s.
Uh huh?
I get that you’re probably drunk or stoned by 2:pm, but you’re saying that Democrat ruled Cities in the U.S. have the same rate of Gun Crime as heavily Gun Legislated Australia.
Which means that Australia was a fairly dangerous place for Gun Crime back in the days when you could buy a Stirling .22 rifle at K-Mart for $35.00.

I’d tend to agree with you.

Beertruk
July 20, 2023 2:10 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Jul 20, 2023 9:08 AM
From the Hun. Anybody able to post the full article?

Andrew Bolt: ABC pulls every punch on Dark Emu literary hoax

The ABC’s film on the greatest literary fake we’ve ever known at least served to explain why so many people are so desperate to believe Bruce Pascoe and his made-up history.

Here you go Zulu:

Andrew Bolt
Herald Sun
July 19, 2023

ABC pulls every punch on Dark Emu literary hoax

The ABC’s film on the greatest literary fake we’ve ever known at least served to explain why so many people are so desperate to believe Bruce Pascoe and his made-up history.

The ABC on Tuesday finally came clean about Bruce Pascoe, the fake Aborigine behind our biggest literary hoax.

No, the film it screened, The Dark Emu Story, didn’t actually admit Pascoe isn’t Aboriginal, or show his family tree – 100 per cent from England.

It also refused to detail how Pascoe invented “evidence” for his massive best-seller, Dark Emu, to falsely claim Aborigines weren’t “mere” hunter gatherers, but farmers, living in “houses” and “towns” of about 1000 people.

But accidentally or not, this taxpayer-funded film, backed by Film Australia, did do us one great favour.

It explained why so many people are so desperate to believe Pascoe and his made-up history.

It’s the shame. Too many Pascoe fans seem embarrassed and ashamed that Aborigines were so technologically backward when whites first arrived.

Here are people supposedly here for 65,000 years, long before the last Neanderthal disappeared, yet in all that time did not invent even the wheel, or a written language.

But Pascoe rescued them.

He denied pre-colonial Aborigines were “mere hunter-gatherers”, as if that were shameful.

He absurdly insisted they were “farmers” instead, in big towns. Just like white people!

The Dark Emu Story ran with more of the same. They were the first astronomers, claimed one Aboriginal talking head.

Bruce Pascoe, author of The Dark Emu Story.

Another, a traditional owner, enthused: “For years people were saying Aborigines were only hunters and gatherers, right?”

He pointed at a very rare fish trap found in Brewarrina – lines of rocks in a small river: “Our people designed the fish traps which makes them architects, they built the fish traps which makes them builders … Genius engineering!”

Another activist added: “I would describe the fish traps as the oldest human-made structure in the world. Older than the Egyptian pyramids, older than Stonehenge.”

Later we were shown a few tangled branches, forming a shallow arch, and were told this was “the oldest standing house in Australia”.

There is desperation here to believe Aborigines were “better” or more “sophisticated” than “just” hunter-gatherers, a desperation Pascoe exploited. The Dark Emu Story, made by the Aboriginal-led Blackfella Films, showed that brilliantly. Here are some people testifying to Pascoe’s appeal to the ashamed.

Keryn Walshe, archaeologist and Pascoe critic, explained: “We want Aborigines to be agriculturalists, as if there is this need to make them into something we understand, recognise.”

Professor Emeritus Tom Griffiths, a Pascoe sympathiser agreed: “White Australians might think Aboriginal people seem to be like us. They had agriculture, they had farms, they had fish traps (White people) can imagine that and … identify with them.’’

Aboriginal activists in the film were also grateful Pascoe made tribal Aborigines look less like “savages”, as if they had to be farmers to qualify.

Marcia Langton, the Voice architect, claimed the success of Dark Emu was to “shift the racist paradigm in Australia from (Aborigines as) savage to fully-fledged human being”.

Marcia Langton labelled critics of Pascoe as “racists” and “proto-fascists”. Picture: Martin Ollman

Pascoe himself said he wanted “Aboriginal kids to know these things to have more pride in the old ancestors”, as if they couldn’t have pride in hunter gatherers, however ingenious.

Maybe that’s why The Dark Emu Story tried hard to keep the Pascoe myth alive.

Back in 2019, Screen Australia announced it would actually finance this project – a series, originally – to promote Pascoe’s theories: “It’s a chance to challenge the myth of pre-colonial Indigenous Australians being just hunter gatherers.”

“Just”. That word again.

But in the four years since, the evidence that Pascoe isn’t Aboriginal and his book isn’t true become too overwhelming to ignore.

The series was cut to just one film, Pascoe was dropped as a co-writer, and the allegations against him were – in fairness – mentioned.

But every punch was pulled.

Pascoe wasn’t asked for evidence for his most ludicrous claims, or asked, for instance, why he’d used false citations from diaries of early explorers such as Charles Sturt.

True, the film shows Pascoe confronted by anthropologist Peter Sutton, co-author of a book destroying Pascoe’s theory, but the heavily edited footage of their debate omitted any discussion of any example of Pascoe’s fakery.

The closest we got to seeing Pascoe’s technique involved him fantasising rather than fabricating.

The film shows him taking a single colonial drawing of Aboriginal women digging for yams as proof they also planted them as farmers.

Meanwhile, the film had Marcia Langton smearing Pascoe critics – notably me and Sutton, of the Left – as “racists” and “proto-fascists”, without right of reply.

Your ABC, screening such defamation, to defend the greatest literary fake we’ve ever known.

Lysander
Lysander
July 20, 2023 2:14 pm

https://twitter.com/eduardomenoni/status/1681838986107531264?s=20

Trump meets with Caviezel before watching Sound of Freedom..

cohenite
July 20, 2023 2:21 pm

OH MY! Disorder Breaks Out as Marjorie Taylor Greene Holds Up Sexually Explicit Photos of Hunter Biden During IRS Whistleblower Hearing (VIDEO)

The images are pretty good. The demorats are in uproar and are demanding decorum. These are the same scumbags who foist drag queens and trannie porn on kids.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
July 20, 2023 2:22 pm

“when you outlaw guns, only the outlaws have guns”

When you outlaw guns, a whole lotta people end up not gettin’ shot

– Ivan Milat

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 20, 2023 2:23 pm

Here you go Zulu:

I am obliged to you, Beery, thank you.

Lysander
Lysander
July 20, 2023 2:37 pm

Well said Dover!

I was going through some historical tweets about 6 weeks ago and came across some where a twitter group called “LBG” were beating up on me in 2017 for “making a nonsense term up.”

The term I used was “gender fluid.”

How times have changed as LBG group would be cast out these days for not being inclusive of the TIA and don’t forget the + (“whatever that is” as Tucker says)

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 20, 2023 2:41 pm

Aha. We just got an attempted credit card scam. American voice, came through supposedly from the Commonwealth Bank Fraud Unit, saying there was an unauthorised transaction on Hairy’s main credit card and to ring this 1300 number. Hell, we though, just as we’re about to go away. Then we listened to it again and we sniffed a scam, rang through using our ID to the Commonwealth Bank, were told there was no stop on our card nor any usage other than what we could see and identify on our statement. She took their numbers to help identify the scam. If you’d got through to that number they would have tried to scare you into giving them more details, said the very nice and reassuringly Australian woman at the real bank number.

lol, I was searching in my poor scattered wits trying to remember what I had bought recently. Dance class sub, chicken shop, Baker’s Delight bun (for post dance on the way home, a treat to charge me up for flying visit to second son and one for him), some towels, no that was last week, but when was the chemist bill, quite pricey? But now it’s all faded away and we can get to Malaysia on Saturday and know the cards will work. Hip hip. Hooray.

Alamak!
July 20, 2023 2:45 pm

and encourage rent-seeking, a Productivity Commission report warns.

Roger, rent seeking is what Albo and crew do best, in fact it’s the one area of economics they understand at all. This is a feature of their schemes, not a defect.

JC
JC
July 20, 2023 2:52 pm

Cronkers, I think the dirty pics were a little over the top to be shown in Congress. However, you make a fair point about fat hairy (trannie) twerking arses being done in front of very young kids. The demonrats have no standing about this.

Hypothetically, would you date Marge if the opportunity arose. Sometimes I think I possibly would but at other times I reckon she would be a full-on nightmare.

JC
JC
July 20, 2023 2:58 pm

flyingduk
Jul 20, 2023 2:06 PM

After Turner tweeted, “Insulin should be free. Medicine should be free,” the Libertarian Party of New Hampshire’s official Twitter account responded with a series of posts.

If not free, it should at least be ‘too cheap to meter’….

How would you price meds, Duk? Keep in mind that the cost of bringing a new med to market, irrespective of the population size of users doesn’t change the cost. Currently, it runs between US$1 to US$ 2 billion for a new drug. Factor in a cost of capital and expected rate of return, what would you suggest?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 20, 2023 3:01 pm

a wink of an eye?

It’s a wink, Sancho. It was nice for a while to reprise my younger self, but when possible I let my birth date prevail. As I’ve said, I can still get away with being younger than 70. That’s good enough for me now. I am aware Endgame approaches.

123andbush, aka the handsome Bushie, did say sitting next to me I can’t believe you are the age you say you are. Same for Jupes’ gorgeous female clan. It’s all in the attitude, I think, plus the oestrogen and ok genes. Keith Windschuttle, when we met at last, said to me you write like a younger woman. So I try to align the two things somehow. Mind and body.

How do you write as an older woman? Like an academic maybe? Or like some of the female bossy-boots who come on here sometimes? I have hints of an academic past in how I say things, but I never liked being an academic and if I had my life over again I wouldn’t go down that track.

Oh, the life-over-again game. Hairy and I discuss that and always arrive right back at where we are. It just doesn’t work any other way. 🙂

Oh, and JC, please give me your advice on how to cope with a centenary, surely you’re there by now? No? Well, I’ll listen out for dear Macbeth, hope you are ok darling if you are in here now and then still. I wouldn’t go away and leave you, never fear.

JC
JC
July 20, 2023 3:05 pm

Oh, and JC, please give me your advice on how to cope with a centenary,

A hundred? Me? I’m a spritely, ripped 35 year old Adonis, Liz.

Chris
Chris
July 20, 2023 3:11 pm

A hundred? Me? I’m a spritely, ripped 35 year old Adonis, Liz.

On the internet, no-one knows I am not as devastatingly handsome as JC.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
July 20, 2023 3:12 pm

Edley at 2.10. You have no comprehension at all. You’re like auto correct on a phone. Next to useless.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 20, 2023 3:13 pm

Keith Windschuttle, when we met at last, said to me you write like a younger woman.

Did you ask Keith to put a precise age on that?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 20, 2023 3:14 pm

Just saw back thread that you were kidding, JC.

Oh golly gosh and dear me, goodness gracious, I thought you were serious there for a minute. Ow, me hip, it gyps a bit, where I fell off me high horse. I was never much of an equestrian. 🙂

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
July 20, 2023 3:15 pm

JC, Adonis was grik. Not a midget with gold chains and tasseled loafers.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 20, 2023 3:15 pm

Regarding “Keeping Up Appearances”, I think the Cat needs a truth telling commission.

RuthM
RuthM
July 20, 2023 3:16 pm

Best wishes for your birthday as Lizzie, and thank you for your contributions here. I enjoy them, and find them informative.

Your posts on your son’s autism were particularly informative; I have a younger brother who I think, now, was probably autistic, but tipped over into full on schizophrenia in his teens, and is still so diagnosed. A lot of what you describe with your son, even down to the one well written and perceptive piece, resonates.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
July 20, 2023 3:18 pm

you write like a younger woman

‘OMG OMG totes fabbo, like, y’know’

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 20, 2023 3:18 pm

A hundred? Me? I’m a spritely, ripped 35 year old Adonis, Liz.

I don’t mind Lizzie knocking the GST off the full total of 91, but come on, man!
35?
Firstly, no-one under 50 describes themself as “spritely”.
That’s an old person word.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 20, 2023 3:20 pm

A hundred? Me? I’m a spritely, ripped 35 year old Adonis

Mr De Mille, I’m ready for my close-up.

JC
JC
July 20, 2023 3:20 pm

Duk

Factor in the cost of capital, which I’m guessing is around say 11.5% (NYU says it’s around 11.4%)

Add to that, the cost of potential recurrent failure in successfully taking a drug to market. Let’s say that is built in to the cost of capital. It may not be, but that’s another argument for another time.

Let’s go with 11.5%.

Patent life is 20 years.

Ignoring the potential revenue stream, the cost of carrying say US$1.5 billion over 20 years is approximately US13 billion over the period – granted without revenues coming in to defray some of the cost. (it’s compounded). Let’s halve that and say assumed revenues would come through over the 20 years. Past that cut-off date and you have generics pounding the door.

I’m just trying to help you a little.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 20, 2023 3:21 pm

‘Prefer to silence victims’: Brittany Higgins blasts Linda Reynolds

By stephen rice
NSW Editor
@riceyontheroad
1:44PM July 20, 2023

Brittany Higgins has blasted former defence minister Linda Reynolds for suggesting it should be illegal for anyone who believes a crime has been committed to fail to report it to police, saying “instead of solving the problem, there are people who would prefer to just silence victims”.

In an increasingly bitter public stoush between the two women, Ms Higgins has claimed that the proposal by Senator Reynolds “completely undermines all the crucial work done by the #LetHerSpeak campaign and the #March4Justice movement.”

In a submission to the Sofronoff Inquiry, revealed by The Australian on Wednesday, Senator Reynolds argued that the ACT Crimes Act should be amended to deter individuals from using the media and/or Parliamentary forums in relation to an alleged criminal offence that ought properly be the subject of the criminal justice processes.
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Senator Reynolds pointed to a section of the NSW Crimes Act that makes it an offence for anyone who knows or believes that a serious indictable offence has been committed and fails to report it to police.

On Thursday Ms Higgins, while not directly naming Senator Reynolds, posted an extract from the article on Twitter.

“Imagine being the person earnestly attempting to change the Crimes Act to make it illegal for alleged sexual assault survivors to talk about their lived experience? As opposed to, you know, reforming the justice system to actually prosecuting perpetrators,” Ms Higgins wrote.

The former political staffer has recently been in Geneva, Switzerland, where she interned at the UN Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women.

Ms Higgins alleges she was sexually assaulted by fellow Liberal staffer Bruce Lehrmann in Senator Reynolds parliamentary office in March 2019 – a claim he has vehemently denied.

Ms Higgins’ rebuke comes just two weeks after she claimed the Liberal MP “continues to harass me through the media and in the parliament”.

Ms Higgins posted on social media a series of newspaper headlines that she claimed originated “from a current Australian Senator who continues to harass me through the media and in the parliament”.

“This has been going on for years now. It is time to stop,” Ms Higgins said.

“My boss who has publicly apologised for mishandling my rape allegation. Who has had to publicly apologise after defaming me in the workplace. Who had a whole bunch of questionable conduct during my rape trial. Who is suing my fiance for a tweet.”

Senator Reynolds’ lawyers sent Ms Higgins a concerns notice – which is a -precursor to a defamation lawsuit – threatening legal action over the post.

Ms Higgins responded that she was “considering my legal options”.

Senator Reynolds is already suing Ms Higgins’ fiance, David Sharaz, for defamation over two tweets that he posted last year but had not been able to serve him with a summons.

Earlier this month she was granted permission by the court to allow service of the summons to be effected by email to Mr Sharaz’s personal email accounts, as well as to Ms Higgins’ lawyer.

Senator Reynolds has indicated she will refer Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus to the new National Anti-Corruption Commission over the payment of more than $2.5m in compensation to her former staffer following Ms Higgins’ claims her allegations of rape were mishandled.

“The basis for the settlement and the reasons why the ¬Attorney-General barred me and Senator (Michaelia) Cash from defending serious allegations against us have not been explained to us or to the Australian people,” she said.

Mr Dreyfus has consistently refused to answer questions regarding Ms Higgins’ multi¬million-dollar payout, which was provided without the consultation of former senior Liberal ministers who were at the centre of her claims.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 20, 2023 3:22 pm

JC

Jul 20, 2023 3:20 PM

Duk

Factor in the cost of capital, which I’m guessing is around say 11.5% (NYU says it’s around 11.4%)

Forget the drugs.
Let’s make it all free.
Surgeons, anaesthetists, GP’s … they can all work for a nominal wage.

JC
JC
July 20, 2023 3:25 pm

Forget the drugs.
Let’s make it all free.
Surgeons, anaesthetists, GP’s … they can all work for a nominal wage.

As they should.

H B Bear
H B Bear
July 20, 2023 3:26 pm

Isn’t that Australia’s national business model.

Oligopolies-R-Us

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 20, 2023 3:27 pm

“Imagine being the person earnestly attempting to change the Crimes Act to make it illegal for alleged sexual assault survivors to talk about their lived experience?

Err, no.
Quite the contrary.
She’s saying you should talk about it. Just to the cops first.

As opposed to, you know, reforming the justice system to actually stitching up people on a whim prosecuting perpetrators,” Ms Higgins wrote.

JC
JC
July 20, 2023 3:32 pm

Where’s Security?

(FNQLD Veterans Security Services PTY LTD.)

H B Bear
H B Bear
July 20, 2023 3:34 pm

Bolta is going to get Bromberged at this rate.

Frank
Frank
July 20, 2023 3:35 pm

A hundred? Me? I’m a spritely, ripped 35 year old Adonis, Liz.

Does that imply… a monobrow?

Frank
Frank
July 20, 2023 3:36 pm

Britny Higgins seems to have form with the stress grabbing thing, what with the booze and the coat from the parliament house office as well.

JC
JC
July 20, 2023 3:39 pm

Does that imply… a monobrow?

Nope, because I pluck’em twice a day. Those steroids run hot as. Hair grows an inch a day.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
July 20, 2023 3:40 pm

Opinion

Yes and No Voice pamphlets pit ‘the vibe’ against a veto

In quoting academics and activists from the Yes campaign, the No case verifies the widely held suspicion that the Albanese government has not been upfront with Australians.

Amanda Stoker Columnist and former LNP senator for QLD

The referendum pamphlets are out, and the No case has done a much more effective job of conveying the reasons for opposing the Voice at the referendum later this year than the Yes case has done of setting out the reasons for supporting it.

The Yes pamphlet is vague, relying heavily on emotional concepts such as “hope”, and still failing to make the connection for voters between this proposal and the improvement in life outcomes that all sensible people agree is desirable.

Yes campaigner Professor Greg Craven has said he is “beside himself with rage” at having his public comments critical of the Voice cited in the No pamphlet. But what did he expect?

The No case uses compelling, clear subheadings that clearly show the reasons why the proposal should be approached with scepticism. The Yes case does not use these structural devices well; even when subheadings are used, they contain similarly vague language and political slogans like “The time is now” and “Ensure people have a better life”.

Careful consideration of the Yes pamphlet leaves one none the wiser about whether the Voice would be elected or not, how big it would be, whether it would be paid and how it proposes to go about making decisions. No limits are placed on the topics within its remit.

There are many references to “advice” but no confrontation of the criticisms made of the practical (if not formal) veto it is likely to have over government policy.

It doesn’t engage with the awkward question of how a national voice would decide if a person is sufficiently Indigenous to qualify to contribute to it, or explain how it would fairly represent the more than 150 language groups and 800 dialects arising from the same number of clans.

Either this Voice is going to be huge, or some peoples will be excluded. There’s no engagement with the risk that Aboriginal Australians in remote communities could well remain isolated, while city-based Indigenous people facing little practical disadvantage drive the direction of the body. And there’s no engagement with the reality that this would permanently afford Indigenous Australians a different set of rights in our democracy.

The No pamphlet makes clever tactical use of the public commentary offered by Yes campaigners in arguments against the proposal. Prominent Yes campaigner Professor Greg Craven has said he is “beside himself with rage” at having his public comments critical of the Voice cited in the No pamphlet. And yet, when he went on the record describing the Yes model as “fatally flawed” but nevertheless decided to campaign and vote for it, what did he expect?

The lack of detail has fed the sense of the model being a movable feast, morphing each time a minister of the government speaks about it.

It’s an orthodox principle of the law of evidence that a statement made against one’s own interest is compelling and likely to be reliable. The No case would be mad not to use it.

In any event, it’s no different from the Yes case using the support of Liberal Julian Leeser to suggest that the Voice is a conservative proposal – as Prime Minister Anthony Albanese did on Wednesday in his radio interview with Ben Fordham.

Comments made by members of the Referendum Working Group that indicate their individual intentions that the Voice have an impact much more substantial than the government would lead Australians to believe are also cited to great effect.

In quoting academics and activists from the Yes campaign, the No pamphlet verifies the widely held suspicion that the Albanese government has not been upfront with Australians.

It has forced the prime minister to spend his time in the media denying that the Voice would do the very things that proponents freely say it will.

In doing so, it supports the No case narrative that the Voice is being sold as a radical panacea in one section of the community, while being framed as modest and benign to everyone else.

The chicken of refusing to be upfront with Australians is now coming home to roost.

More questions than answers

Mr Albanese’s tactical decision to refuse to put details on the table of the scope of the Voice’s responsibilities, the selection methods that would be used to choose its members, the decision-making processes it will adopt and any limits that might be placed on its power is now starting to bite.

It really is a scandal to put the taxpayer and the campaigns to the expense of a referendum without the transparency of legislation that would allow Australians to make an informed decision about what they are being asked to vote on.

The lack of detail has fed the sense of the model being a movable feast, morphing each time a minister of the government speaks about it.

Even on Wednesday the Prime Minister described the Voice as “an elected body” when there has been no detail to that effect. He now says it has “no veto”, but in the past he has said it would be a brave government that ignored the advice of the Voice to parliament. If that’s not a practical veto, what is?

When Minister for Indigenous Australians Linda Burney spoke at the Press Club about the matter, her address raised more questions than answers, and her contributions about Australia Day in the parliament have been shown to be plainly wrong.

There is a certain madness that we are being sent into a referendum seeking our support for a proposal on which even the government proposing it is not clear.

It is not reasonable to expect Australians to back a model that seems to change from day to day, and around which there has been more secrecy than transparency, little more than feelings and “the vibe”.

And no matter which way you read it, that’s the takeaway from considering the pamphlets side-by-side. The best the government and the Yes case can hope is that, given the bland format, relatively few people will read it.

JC
JC
July 20, 2023 3:43 pm

We would never have guessed.

Crean saw Indigenous voice success ‘as a positive step’

The wife of the late Labor luminary says his final message to Australia would be to back the Indigenous voice to parliament.

The body is still warm and she’s politicking.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
July 20, 2023 3:51 pm

Someone on the OTT, 132andbush I think put up a clip of someone playing Pink Floyd’s Time. Very good arrangement and interpretation. Thanks. I much prefer interpretation’s to covers.

Lysander
Lysander
July 20, 2023 3:52 pm

Thanks for posting Ozzie… surely this referendum canna get up… (like the Mong?)

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 20, 2023 3:52 pm

Alice Springs alcohol restrictions to continue for at least two years after drops in NT crime rates

EXCLUSIVE
By liam mendes
Reporter
@liammendes
and sarah ison
Political Reporter
6:31AM July 20, 2023
146 Comments

The Northern Territory will ­extend alcohol restrictions in Alice Springs for at least two years after incidents of domestic violence and assault plummeted by more than a third.

The move follows an outcry from locals who had demanded for months that grog bans be ­implemented.

As the restrictions were ­extended, pressure on Anthony Albanese over the Indigenous voice referendum intensified, with supporters saying the body must be established so it can negotiate a treaty, undermining the Prime Minister’s declaration that the referendum was “not about a treaty”.

In January Mr Albanese ­announced alcohol restrictions would be implemented in Alice Springs after The Australian revealed the extent of the crime wave gripping the town following the expiry of federal “Stronger Futures” restrictions in July 2022.

The restrictions introduced takeaway alcohol bans on Mondays and Tuesdays, and limits to the purchasing of alcohol during the rest of the week, and town camps and communities reverted back to being complete dry zones in February.

The Australian understands the decision, to be announced on Thursday morning, was made following “extensive” analysis of crime data by the NT ­government. But it has rattled the travel and hospitality industries which fear they will bear the brunt of the decision.

One government source said there were “huge amounts of data” behind the decision, which would “save women and children”. Figures analysed by The Australian in June showed total recorded assaults in Alice Springs dropped from more than 260 in January to 170 in April. At the time, an NT government spokeswoman said it was clear the measures did work. “Over the last three months we have seen these alcohol ­restrictions work, and support our community and frontline workers,” she said.

“Domestic violence has dropped by a third in the months since the takeaway alcohol restrictions were reintroduced into the Northern Territory town.”

In December, weeks before the NT government reinstated alcohol restrictions, assaults in Alice Springs reached a record high, at 368 incidents in a month.

It is the second time the restrictions have been extended, with a previous extension occurring in April.

feelthebern
feelthebern
July 20, 2023 3:55 pm

Keith Windschuttle, when we met at last, said to me you write like a younger woman.

Sounds similar to what Bane said to Batman.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 20, 2023 3:55 pm

Did you ask Keith to put a precise age on that?

Nah, Keith and I share a birthdate and a pretty close birthday. Keith should be an Australian National Treasure, he will be when I become Prime Ministeress for I will make it a project. When we finally met after Quadrant had accepted a few of my pieces, he was surprised to know that our paths had crossed quite closely in the early 70’s. He knew my ex-husband quite well and I’d actually been a publisher’s referee for one of his text books. No-one else in my left faculty would do it, wanted it to go down in flames, so I said I would, using my positional authority at that time. Being a somewhat ornery critter to them already, just as I am to the ring-nosed here, it was just another example, to this most left of all faculties in Australia at that time, of my untrustworthy shift in perspective. I thought his book on communication practice was excellent for purpose and admired that it contained no post-modern nonsense, so I went ahead, reviewed it positively, and set it for my students. All of his books are dissed on Goodreads, I just checked. Clearly, the left are still hard at work burying his outstanding scholarship.

John H.
John H.
July 20, 2023 3:59 pm

JC
Jul 20, 2023 2:58 PM
flyingduk
Jul 20, 2023 2:06 PM

After Turner tweeted, “Insulin should be free. Medicine should be free,” the Libertarian Party of New Hampshire’s official Twitter account responded with a series of posts.

If not free, it should at least be ‘too cheap to meter’….

How would you price meds, Duk? Keep in mind that the cost of bringing a new med to market, irrespective of the population size of users doesn’t change the cost. Currently, it runs between US$1 to US$ 2 billion for a new drug. Factor in a cost of capital and expected rate of return, what would you suggest?

The ruckus about insulin relates to recent increased costs in the USA. Insulin has been produced since the 1920s. It has increased in price by 3-5 times in the last 20 years. It shouldn’t be free but we should not assume Big Pharma is raising the cost because of production or R&D issues.

feelthebern
feelthebern
July 20, 2023 3:59 pm

Speaking of Nolan movies, Oppenheimer is getting rave reviews from all the right places.
Could be an Oscars clean sweep coming (acting, director, picture).

Ed Case
Ed Case
July 20, 2023 4:00 pm

He knew my ex-husband quite well and I’d actually been a publisher’s referee for one of his text books. No-one else in my left faculty would do it, wanted it to go down in flames, so I said I would, using my positional authority at that time.

Not sure about that claim.
Keith Windschuttle was a darling of the Left in the 1970s and for a long time afterward.

feelthebern
feelthebern
July 20, 2023 4:01 pm

The Trump executive order sidelined the PBM’s & GPO’s which slashed the price the punters paid for insulin.
Biden overturned that executive order on his first day.
Then pulled another stunt last year that dropped the price.
Insulin is a play thing for the DC blob.

shatterzzz
July 20, 2023 4:02 pm

The wife of the late Labor luminary says his final message to Australia would be to back the Indigenous voice to parliament.

Actually, the message was, “State funeral! tellz Luigi I bloody well deserve it!”

Lysander
Lysander
July 20, 2023 4:02 pm

Keith should be an Australian National Treasure

After I read his book on Pell, I wrote to him and congratulated him, calling him Australia’s modern day Erasmus.

JC
JC
July 20, 2023 4:03 pm

John H

I’m just thinking aloud, but would the major American pharmaceutical companies even make anything as generic as insulin. Wouldn’t the generic manufactures, the bottom feeders, produce it all?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
July 20, 2023 4:03 pm

‘Most Contemptible Song Of The Decade’: Country Music TV Bans Jason Aldean’s “Try That In A Small Town” Video

BY TYLER DURDEN – THURSDAY, JUL 20, 2023 – 06:55 AM

The entertainment industry’s liberal elites are mad at country music star Jason Aldean.

CMT, or Country Music Television, is no longer airing the music video for Jason Aldean’s “Try That In A Small Town,” even as the song reaches No. 1 on iTunes charts.

The music video, which features Aldean singing in front of a government building with an American flag, incorporates footage from various protests – including those associated with Antifa and Black Lives Matter – was released Friday.

CMT played it through Sunday before pulling it Monday.

The media reaction was, well, unhinged…

Variety’s Chris Willman exclaims, in a story titled: “Jason Aldean Already Had the Most Contemptible Country Song of the Decade. The Video Is Worse”, “Aldean’s “Try That in a Small Town” is close to being the most cynical song ever written…”

The Daily Beast published one of the most high-profile criticisms of the song its article, “Jason Aldean Catches Heat for Racist, Pro-Gun Lyrics: ‘a Modern Lynching Song.’”

Hyperbole much?

Not everyone was horrified…

Just so we’re clear it’s cool if hip-hop songs glamorize rape, domestic violence, misogyny, racism, murder, killing the President, gang warfare , guns, violence and hate but if @Jason_Aldean talks about what’s actually happening it’s racist?

And in a similar vein, the top comment on the song’s YouTube video states:

“Interesting how countless rap songs encourage murder sprees, drug dealing, pimping, and countless other crimes, and they’re celebrated by the media, but a video by a country singer about self defense and neighbors looking out for each other is banned,”

Here are the lyrics…

Sucker punch somebody on a sidewalk
Carjack an old lady at a red light
Pull a gun on the owner of a liquor store
Ya think it’s cool, well, act a fool if ya like

Cuss out a cop, spit in his face
Stomp on the flag and light it up
Yeah, ya think you’re tough

Well, try that in a small town
See how far ya make it down the road
Around here, we take care of our own
You cross that line, it won’t take long
For you to find out, I recommend you don’t
Try that in a small town

Got a gun that my granddad gave me
They say one day they’re gonna round up
Well, that shit might fly in the city, good luck

Try that in a small town
See how far ya make it down the road
Around here, we take care of our own
You cross that line, it won’t take long
For you to find out, I recommend you don’t
Try that in a small town

Full of good ol’ boys, raised up right
If you’re looking for a fight
Try that in a small town
Try that in a small town

Try that in a small town
See how far ya make it down the road
Around here, we take care of our own
You cross that line, it won’t take long
For you to find out, I recommend you don’t
Try that in a small town

Try that in a small town
Ooh-ooh
Try that in a small town

Taking to Twitter, Mr. Aldean refuted claims that the song contains racial undertones or supports lynching, stating that the references made against him are “not only meritless but dangerous.”

“In the past 24 hours, I have been accused of releasing a pro-lynching song … and was subject to the comparison that I (direct quote) was not too pleased with the nationwide BLM protests,” Mr. Aldean wrote on Twitter.

“These references are not only meritless, but dangerous.”

The Epoch Times’ Caden Pearsen reports that Mr. Aldean denied any racist intent in his song,

asserting that “there is not a single lyric in the song that references race or points to it.” He also stressed that the accompanying music video features “real news footage” and contains no imagery that could be construed as promoting violence or hatred.

“While I can try and respect others to have their own interpretation of a song with music—this one goes too far,” he said.

feelthebern
feelthebern
July 20, 2023 4:04 pm

Australia’s modern day Erasmus.

Erasmus played well for the Doggies in the early 80’s before a less than stellar career later on with the Sea Eagles.

Lysander
Lysander
July 20, 2023 4:04 pm

Ok, those Cats of Eastern burbs of Sydney (you know who you are!)… fess up!

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/body-found-floating-in-popular-bay-off-sydneys-east-coast-c-11334965

Lysander
Lysander
July 20, 2023 4:05 pm

Erasmus played well for the Doggies in the early 80’s before a less than stellar career later on with the Sea Eagles.

Lol Bern… as soon as I hit “submit” I knew I should’ve made the clarification of him being akin to St Thomas More’s Erasmus!!!

H B Bear
H B Bear
July 20, 2023 4:07 pm
Lysander
Lysander
July 20, 2023 4:07 pm

Am eagerly awaiting the OzTam ratings for tonight’s women’s soccer versus the Ashes (versus the usuals that rate the highest like A Current Affair….ugh).

My prediction: Australians are a bunch of misogynists lol!!!

feelthebern
feelthebern
July 20, 2023 4:08 pm

Lysander, you are forgetting the Tigers are also playing the Dragons.

shatterzzz
July 20, 2023 4:10 pm

CMT, or Country Music Television, is no longer airing the music video for Jason Aldean’s “Try That In A Small Town,” even as the song reaches No. 1 on iTunes charts.

These up-themselves-do-gooders really make you laff! .. they ban a music video that is already available across umpteen net sites and more to come following their ya-can’t-watch-it publicity drive ….. sing about shootin’ yourself in the foot .. LOL!

cohenite
July 20, 2023 4:11 pm

Hypothetically, would you date Marge if the opportunity arose. Sometimes I think I possibly would but at other times I reckon she would be a full-on nightmare.

I consider her to be a cute owl.

P
P
July 20, 2023 4:11 pm

Minns Labor’s first real test to protect religious freedom has arrived
By Monica Doumit
July 20, 2023

It’s Groundhog Day. Again. This past week, it was announced that the NSW Law Reform Commission would conduct an inquiry into the NSW Anti-Discrimination Act. The inquiry was one of Labor’s election promises so the announcement was expected, but it really does feel like we are in a permanent state of reviews and debates over anti-discrimination law.

This review is especially important for two reasons. First, it is still lawful in NSW to deny a person goods or services because of their religion. You are not allowed to discriminate against someone because of race, age, ability, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity and more, but believers are fair game. Countless inquiries have recommended this be changed but successive governments have failed to act.

Second, the Anti-Discrimination Act is what allows our institutions to run as they do: it is this piece of legislation that allows us to preference Catholic students in Catholic schools and to ensure those who lead and work in our chanceries, education, health and welfare agencies are committed to the Catholic ethos. A review of our anti-discrimination laws could see these rights—which we sometimes take for granted or even give up voluntarily—limited or taken away.

JC
JC
July 20, 2023 4:11 pm

Dover

That’s pretty unique in Europe. Not.

Northern Italians adore their southern brothers and sisters. The Frogs don’t look down on the French Belg. The Brits love their northerners. Greeks show crazy love to the Macedonians. The Germans, well let’s leave them out for obvious reasons.

Europeans fcuking hate each other! Tell us something new. 🙂

Farmer Gez
Farmer Gez
July 20, 2023 4:14 pm

Hmmm & double Hmmm

https://reneweconomy.com.au/big-batteries-chosen-over-poles-and-wires-to-shore-up-grid-in-doubly-significant-tender/

The Bowen “rewiring Australia” is a boondoggle that even the big companies doubt is needed.

Ed Case
Ed Case
July 20, 2023 4:15 pm

Antifa did try to make it into the suburbs, they were met by armed residents and decided discretion was the better part of valour.

The Media didn’t platform that side of the riots, for some reason.

shatterzzz
July 20, 2023 4:15 pm

Am eagerly awaiting the OzTam ratings for tonight’s women’s soccer

With a 5.00PM kick-off and a, probably, lop-sided affair (NZ v Norway) not involving Oz I’m guessing the ratings might not be overly spectacular .. tomorrow night when the Matildas play will be a better comparison …….

JC
JC
July 20, 2023 4:16 pm

Funny, I was actually talking about that today, at the family business. I can’t recall the initial subject. I suggested that Europeans detest each other on a nation to nation basis. To test my theory I asked a straight off the boat Italian kid what Italians thought of the French as he wasn’t part of the conversation and didn’t hear what we were saying. The kid literally had smoke coming out of his ears about the frogs.

John H.
John H.
July 20, 2023 4:18 pm

JC
Jul 20, 2023 4:03 PM
John H

I’m just thinking aloud, but would the major American pharmaceutical companies even make anything as generic as insulin. Wouldn’t the generic manufactures, the bottom feeders, produce it all?

IIRC there is one generic producer. The typical process is DNA recombinant technology on bugs to produce insulin. There is also pancreas in vats. (Imagine the benefits of brains in vats for people with brain injury or disease!)

Of new drug developments there is at present much celebration of the first Alz drug that has decent benefits, slowing decline by a third. That sort of drug development costs billions. There is also a phase 2 or 3 trial underway for a Parkinson’s drug which probably acts in a similiar fashion to remove toxic proteins(antibody mediated).

JC unlike some here I think Big Pharma is absolutely essential to the future of medicine. Nearly all clinical breakthroughs are because of their investment in research. One of the most striking is the automated facility where hundreds of cancer cells cultures are subjected to thousands of different compounds to test for cell killing potential. That’s the old school approach and extremely expensive. Today machine learning is making huge strides in drug development. You are correct, the maturing of biochemistry and cell biology together with machine learning and Big Pharma bucks is a revolution currently underway.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
July 20, 2023 4:20 pm

Probably is the Same in Australia

Empty suit, empty suites: Joe Biden’s government of empty buildings

We often ask who’s running the government with a White House led by doddering Joe Biden.

But with a new audit out, maybe the real question is what is the government.

According to the Washington Examiner:

The evacuation of federal headquarters during the COVID-19 crisis appears to have become permanent and costly with up to 90% of several agency headquarters empty, according to a federal audit.

At least 6 of 24 Washington area headquarters are 90% empty, including several that manage federal office space and employees such as the General Services Administration and the Office of Personnel Management.

The audit from the Government Accountability Office found that just six agencies were operating with half of their staff in the office during the first three months of 2023, the latest sign that efforts to get federal employees back into the office after the coronavirus crisis and after years of encouraging telework have failed.

The findings echo private sector reports. In Washington, private offices are less than 40% full.

Turns out the government buildings Joe Biden presides over in his expensive, bloated government are about as empty as the old dotard’s head.

It’s like we have a pretend president, presiding over a pretend government.

Practically every agency headquarters is something like 80% empty.

But the empty buildings still stand, as if to suggest that something had been there. Mainly, it’s the illusion of power and importance.

Overall, Uncle Sam owns or leases 511 million square feet. That includes some 1,500 buildings and 7,685 leases. It costs $7 billion a year to maintain buildings and lease others, said GAO.

The auditing agency urged headquarters to consider consolidating or dumping space and to even consider joining with other agencies to share space.

But many rejected that advice. “One official said their leadership is reluctant to share headquarters space with other agencies because it could lower their perceived standing as a cabinet-level agency,” said the audit report.

One thing the audit also notes is that these empty buildings waste a lot of electricity even with no one in them. So as Joe Biden tries to shove us into green vehicles and pay more at the pump to bankroll his energy transition, he’s busy burning electricity…on nothing.

The Wall Street Journal, in an editorial on the matter, has noted that even the worst empty building problems in the private sector, such as vacant office towers in big blue-run cities, are dwarfed by the emptiness of the federal government buildings.

The near-uniform emptiness across different agencies is another way the government stands out. Weekly attendance in the bottom quarter of surveyed offices is a measly 9%, and not one reported attendance above 50%.

Compare that with corporate offices in New York, where average in-office attendance surpassed 50% last month, according to turnstile operator Kastle Systems.

The question is, why are we paying for this? If the federal government can’t get its post-COVID pandemic-era employees to come back to the office, then it’s time for layoffs. If the government can function as it does on 20% of its people, then maybe it’s time to lay the other 80% off.

Lysander
Lysander
July 20, 2023 4:20 pm

Lysander, you are forgetting the Tigers are also playing the Dragons.

Oh! And there’s Ashes and AFL on tonight as well (as tomorrow night also)… I’m honestly curious to see how many tune in to watch an Australian women’s soccer match versus the mens’ sport!

Lysander
Lysander
July 20, 2023 4:24 pm

https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-07-18-nations-engineer-global-famine-destroying-agriculture.html

Under the guise of reducing “methane emissions,” thirteen nations have signed a pledge to engineer global famine by gutting agricultural production and shutting down farms. Announced earlier this year by the Global Methane Hub — a cabal of crisis engineers who exploit public panic to destroy the world food supply — those thirteen nations are:

Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Burkina Faso, Chile, Czech Republic, Ecuador, Germany, Panama, Peru, Spain, the United States, and Uruguay.

Real Deal
Real Deal
July 20, 2023 4:32 pm

Tim Blair’s column in this month’s Quadrant has this killer line about Elbow:-

Due to certain verbal peculiarities, Anthony Albanese loses at least half his body weight in fluid every time he attempts to say “constitution”.

Is there a better satirist who writes stuff like this in Australia? Top shelf stuff.

Lysander
Lysander
July 20, 2023 4:32 pm

And just a little bit more random diatribe from my and my Joycean “stream of consciousness:”

If the Left, sorry, when the Left lose the referendum, they’re not going to give up. I’ve noticed a pattern here. SSM, for example, was tried to be effected in a number of ways and then put to the people, many MPs said they’d still vote for it even if the plebiscite said no. They wouldn’t have given up!

Think of Ireland and how they asked the Irish people three times (!!!) to join the EU and then stopped after they finally got their way.

Daylight saving in WA…. there’s been a least two, maybe three, referendums on it… and, no, they haven’t given up yet!

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 20, 2023 4:36 pm

Daylight saving in WA…. there’s been a least two, maybe three, referendums on it… and, no, they haven’t given up yet!

Three referendums, all rejected, the most recent after a three year trial of daylight saving.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 20, 2023 4:36 pm

Crean saw Indigenous voice success ‘as a positive step’

The wife of the late Labor luminary says his final message to Australia would be to back the Indigenous voice to parliament.

No probs.
He’ll still get to vote, right?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
July 20, 2023 4:38 pm

Lysander
Jul 20, 2023 4:32 PM

And just a little bit more random diatribe from my and my Joycean “stream of consciousness:”

If the Left, sorry, when the Left lose the referendum, they’re not going to give up. I’ve noticed a pattern here. SSM, for example, was tried to be effected in a number of ways and then put to the people, many MPs said they’d still vote for it even if the plebiscite said no. They wouldn’t have given up!

Dem bill in House seeks to scrub words ‘husband’ and ‘wife’ from federal law

Democrats understand the lessons of George Orwell’s 1984 and treat it as an instruction manual, not a warning. In his appendix to that book, titled “Principles of Newspeak,”

Orwell states that the “expression of unorthodox opinions” “was well-nigh impossible”. Even the statement, “Big Brother is ungood” could “not have been sustained by reasoned argument because the necessary words were not available”. Furthermore, the “concept of political equality no longer existed”.

Newspeak is a linguistic tool to control people’s thought processes. Language is constantly reduced in an attempt to reduce thinking.

That is the sophisticated understanding behind

[t]he “Amend the Code for Marriage Equality Act,” introduced by California Democrat Julia Brownley, [which] seeks to amend a number of existing laws by striking the terms “husband” and “wife” from their text. The proposed legislation moves to substitute the words with phrases such as “a married couple,” “married person” and “person who has been, but is no longer, married to” depending on the context.

Rep. Brownley positions the bill as a response to (and attack on) the Supreme Court:

“Although the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Obergefell v. Hodges that same-sex couples have the right to marry, there are many instances where the U.S. Code does not respect that constitutional right,” Brownley said in a statement released on Friday.

“Now more than ever, with an extreme Supreme Court and state legislatures rolling back the rights of the LGBTQ community, it is imperative that Congress showcases its commitment to supporting equality,” she continued. “This common-sense bill will ensure that our federal code reflects the equality of all marriages by recognizing and acting upon the notion that the words in our laws have meaning and our values as a country are reflected in our laws.”

But as Valerie Richardson notes in the Washington Times:

This isn’t the bill’s first rodeo. Ms. Brownley introduced the legislation in 2021, 2019 and 2017, carrying the torch for now-retired Rep. Lois Capps, California Democrat, who brought the bill in 2015.

The 2021 bill had 39 cosponsors, all Democrats.

But of course. The Dems are following Orwell’s outline of the path toward totalitarian control. Make no mistake: if they win both Houses of Congress and the Oval Office in 2024 (or later), they will enact this bill.

At first, federal code “including the Internal Revenue Code, Social Security Act, and Family and Medical Leave Act” will be changed to eliminate “husband” and “wife,” but that is only the prelude to an all-out campaign to demonize the terms as “hate speech” and “literal violence” and effectively forbid their use.

Eventually, with people afraid to utter the terms, and with media purged of their use, they will become anachronisms, soon to be forgotten.

thefrollickingmole
thefrollickingmole
July 20, 2023 4:39 pm

I was today years old when I discovered the laws of supply and demand don’t apply for agricultural produce.

All those foolish despots of long ago, if only they had legislated increases in production, or peasants to eat less all would have been well.

These idiot savants think they are using the “ market” by reducing consumption via crippling the sector with their mongstrosity.

Lysander
Lysander
July 20, 2023 4:41 pm

As always, thanks Ozzie!!!

I note that the Matildas have “come out” (get it) in support of the BigW book… WTF would they need to do that – support child groomers? Seriously on the eve of what could be women’s soccer first foray into mainstream lives of Australians…

JC
JC
July 20, 2023 4:42 pm

He’s just adorable. He blames the mouthy fat kid.

Trump Says FBI Can Be Reformed, Blames Christie for Recommending Christopher Wray

caveman
caveman
July 20, 2023 4:43 pm

Woman’s football, yeah…nah.

H B Bear
H B Bear
July 20, 2023 4:43 pm

The wife of the late Labor luminary says his final message to Australia would be to back the Indigenous voice to parliament.

Crean joins the Tree of Knowledge.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 20, 2023 4:48 pm

JohnH

Of new drug developments there is at present much celebration of the first Alz drug that has decent benefits, slowing decline by a third.

I saw that last night on the news.
Some perfesser or whatever was talking into the camera very deliberately …

This. Is. Not. A. Cure.
It. Will. Slow. The. Advance. Of. The. Disease.
In. Some. Cases. Almost. Stop. It.
But. It. Will. NOT. Reverse. It.

I could sense his exasperation. I suspect he had sat through several attempts of the reporterette to do her intro, trying to counsel her against phrases like “miracle cure”.
The lead-in teaser earlier in the bulletin still couldn’t resist that good old media standby “New hope for sufferers of xxxxxx.”
Really funny.
Until you realise that thousands of parents of juvenile diabetes sufferers have to tell kids, “No, we are not giving up daily injections”, or loved ones of dementia sufferers in their early stages have to explain to Mum or Dad that they aren’t going to take a magic pill and get out of aged care.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
July 20, 2023 4:49 pm

THE cruellest thing about the proposed indigenous Voice to parliament is the dramatic and deleterious effect it’s having on someone who already is a voice to parliament. A peak voice to parliament, as it were.

Due to certain verbal peculiarities, Anthony Albanese loses at least half his body weight in fluid every time he attempts to say “constitution”. In terms of the Voice and its legal framework, any commentary from the Prime Minister must be literally draining.

And the poor bloke’s got months of it to go.

Labor’s sainted son of a single mum turned sprinkler system in a suit may eventually achieve an increasingly unlikely victory for the Voice, but only at the cost of agonising physical dehydration.

Getting away from day-to-day Voice promotion is proving difficult. Albanese had a brief opportunity early in June to moisturise, having been invited to my Nationals-dominated neck of western Victoria for the official opening of a new Nature and Water Park adorning the Wimmera River.

Sadly for Albanese, however, the visit was rained out. Soggy socialist Albo isn’t having great luck with liquid lately, either internally or externally. In an entirely different and less laudable way, the PM is turning into the greatest Labor dry since former Finance Minister Peter Walsh.

Others not penalised by the PM’s speech issues have also allowed themselves to become vexed by the Voice, including some who you’d expect would be riding high. Veteran broadcaster and current ABC staffer Stan Grant, for example, has previously shown flashes of insight and perception that are uncommon among his people—his people, of course, being Australian television presenters.

Almost uniquely among the ABC’s members of that tribe, Grant additionally has a sense of humour. Absolutely uniquely, Grant once deployed that sense of humour against pro-Voice luvvies Peter FitzSimons and his wife Lisa Wilkinson.

Back in early 2021, Grant wrote a mocking semi-fictional piece for the Australian about attending “Fitzy and Lisa’s Australia Day barbecue at their grand house overlooking Sydney Harbour”.

“What a woke leftie love-in that was,” Grant continued. “Journos, actors, writers, couple of ex-Wallabies (well it was the North Shore), a few washed up politicians, even a couple of Liberals (small l of course) and a former managing director of the ABC for good measure.

“Everyone there voted yes for same sex marriage—the year before last they’d all tearily applauded their first gay married couple guests—they hated the Catholic Church, and had cried when Kevin Rudd said sorry …

“They adored Indigenous culture. There were dot paintings on the wall, a photo with their arms around Cathy Freeman at Sydney Olympic Stadium and a framed copy of Paul Keating’s Redfern Statement signed by the last great Australian Prime Minister himself.”

If you’ve wondered why a few of Labor’s Sydney-based multi-millionaire true believers weren’t entirely supportive of Stan following his coronation night debacle on the ABC, the above is your answer. Grant has that crowd’s number, and he called them out. Worse still, from their point of view, he did it in a News Corp publication.

There will be no easy forgiveness.

“There are important things to worry about in the world,” Grant said following publication of his mirthful piece, and the reportedly hostile response to it from FitzSimons. “People who can’t laugh at themselves aren’t one of them.”

Yet even as he mocked everybody’s favourite humourless handkerchief-head, Grant’s piece—written primarily as fiction—was sprinkled with doctrinaire wokeisms itself. It featured “Aussie-flag-wearing white supremacists” on a Sydney beach cele­brating “the date they stole the country”. Australia Day was further smeared as “a glorious tribute to the White Australia policy”.

We shouldn’t have been surprised, then, when Voice-hailing ABC presenter Grant came in off a long leftist run-up during the evening of King Charles III’s coronation.

Why, Grant had even warned of his coronation night plans in an article by Dan Butler for National Indigenous Television published several days before. “We may get a bit more honesty in the coronation,” he told NITV. “I think people are looking for something a bit more bracing and a bit more challenging.”

What they got, as Grant described a previous gathering, was “a woke leftie love-in” that generated a record number of complaints even from the ABC’s remaining core viewers. Besides the helpful advance warning, that NITV piece opened with a delicious “magical native” moment. Behold:

“Stan Grant knows this land, down to a bend in the road. ‘The reception should come good around this corner,’ he yells down the patchy mobile line.

“Driving on the road to Bathurst, the Wiradjuri man is on home turf. It’s a familiarity that goes beyond knowing merely landscape, however, and extends into the heart and soul of the nation.”

Butler’s “magical native” celebration should be used in journalism courses as an avoidance example. A similar comment from an ordinary, non-magical white person about the quality of phone reception would have been dismissed, sensibly enough, as too boring to print. Coming from Stan Grant, however, that off-hand remark is presented as evidence of his heightened Aboriginal spirituality and oneness with country.

You know, exactly the same way that Grant’s knowledge of a Coles bakery section—pikelets are furthest along, parallel to the breakfast cereals—presumably reveals his Dreaming kinship.

I once met a bloke who worked in the 1970s as a roadie for Sydney bands. His special talent was being able to find the way back to central Sydney no matter how far out of the city he and the bands were, or how incapacitated they were by alcohol and drugs.

Claiming part-Aboriginal background, this gifted roadie would call for silence, gaze knowingly at the skies and then proclaim: “This direction. We go here.” Remarkably, he was never wrong. Even on nights when stars were obscured by clouds, the roadie’s holy unity with the Australian land and the broader cosmos always guided everybody quickly home.

The bands never worked out what their roadie was doing. Decades later, he finally confessed. Rather than looking at the sky, he was looking at roofs. Specifically, he was looking at television antennas on those roofs—which for purposes of clear reception were always pointed towards city broadcasting towers.

Clarity is missing in the Voice debate, mostly from the pro-Voice team. We don’t get clarity from the PM, whose midwit qualities have been brilliantly illuminated by Samuel Mullins (see page 32), and who essentially is barely able to speak.

We don’t get substantial post-2021 clarity from Stan Grant, who a couple of months ago offered this bewildering thought: “Undoubtedly, whiteness as an organising principle is over.”

And we don’t get much clarity from many modern journalists—who, to be fair, are otherwise occupied shielding themselves in case Albanese tries “constitution” again. Personally, I’m going to track down that old roadie again. He’ll show us the way.

Lysander
Lysander
July 20, 2023 4:51 pm

Woman’s football, yeah…nah.

Even if they changed their uniforms?

Yeah, nah.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
July 20, 2023 4:57 pm

Aboriginal heritage laws and The Voice: Rowan Dean was right

Mark Powell

If you want to know what practical difference The Voice to Parliament is going to have, then you only have to look across to Western Australia and the recently introduced Aboriginal Cultural Heritage Laws. Rather than addressing social disadvantage in remote Aboriginal communities, many feel this is turning into an escalation of money and power.

As this news report indicates, the plan to plant 5,500 shrubs and trees was cancelled when the newly formed Whadjuk Aboriginal Corporation demanded $2.5 million in exchange for its approval. That’s $454.54 for every tree! The decision has since been reversed after public outrage.

This comes on the back of another tree planting cancellation in Geraldton. As the city’s Mayor, Shane Van Styn, wrote in a Facebook post on July 8:

The above two incidents are precisely the type of scenarios which Speccie Editor-in-Chief Rowan Dean warned would occur just one month ago on Sky News Australia. Dean presciently predicted:

This is your land? Not any longer! It always was, always will be Aboriginal land according to the activists.

And this is what The Voice will deliver to mainstream Australia … come back to me in a couple of years’ time and you’ll say to me, ‘Oh…! Rowan did warn us about this.’ Don’t vote for The Voice!

Dean later went on to argue:

The absolute crux of the matter is that this is no longer your home, it’s no longer your house, it’s no longer your land.

This law in Western Australia just got passed, nobody kicked up a fuss about it, we didn’t hear much about it, but suddenly –

and this is the absolute heart of the matter – you either believe that property rights in this country belong to the individual who has paid for them or you believe that all land across the continent of Australia belongs to Indigenous Australians and that sovereignty was never ceded.

…I hate to say it, but when Dominic Perrottet stuck the Aboriginal flag on top of the Harbour Bridge he was basically saying, ‘There you go, it’s basically not our land anymore.’ Now, it’s fine if you believe that, but stand up and say that clearly.

But what Labor and the Left do is they’re doing it through deception, tricking you into thinking that you’re racist if you don’t vote for The Voice.

No! If you vote for The Voice you’re handing sovereignty away. That is the end goal according to the Uluru Statement.

While the Aboriginal Affairs Minister Tony Buti said that the cancellation was ‘incredibly disappointing’ and that the tree planting plans were not covered by the Act, this is precisely how laws can and will be weaponised – and monetised – against the wider community if The Voice is successful.

Rowan Dean is right in pointing out that the end goal of The Voice is the implementation of a treaty and subsequent reparations. And rather than this being a one-off payment, we should expect to have to pay royalties well into perpetuity. Because the issue is not so much of constitutional recognition, but of property rights. However, rather than taking years, Dean’s admonition has come true in a matter of weeks.

cohenite
July 20, 2023 5:01 pm

Lysander
Jul 20, 2023 4:24 PM
https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-07-18-nations-engineer-global-famine-destroying-agriculture.html

So, after turtle has his way and we have no electricity and we’re freezing in the dark, this fat faced fu.ktard, murray watt, will have us starve as well as freeze in the dark

JC
JC
July 20, 2023 5:03 pm

It’s quite a good blog post considering the source. I won’t reveal the name until the end.

Don’t look before you read it!!

“That Dark Emu doco
So, I watched the ABC’s The Dark Emu Story documentary last night. I was happy that it gave considerable time to the detailed critique of the book and its “research”
:

In 2021, an academic rebuttal to Dark Emu was published: Farmers or Hunter-Gatherers? The Dark Emu Debate by anthropologist Peter Sutton and archeologist Keryn Walshe. Both authors appear in the documentary, arguing Pascoe ignored evidence that did not fit his case while over-emphasising evidence that did. Pascoe and Sutton come head-to-head in the film, debating definitions such as of the word “sophistication”.

“What’s wrong with being unsophisticated?” Sutton asks. “Why do you hold up a battle of sophistication as a kind of a solution to people, filling their racism?”

But, as you might expect, the pro-Pascoe side, including by such high profile figures as Marcia Langton, were given much, much more air time. (Langton presented as particularly cranky and automatically dismissive of criticism.)

The documentary failed to mention some pertinent things which I am pretty sure would be true, such as the book has sold so well partly because of uniformly uncritical endorsement by Education departments.

The main thing that the pro-side demonstrated, though, was that aboriginal academia and advocacy has spent the last couple of decades on a PR project to convince Australians that aboriginal society was (is?), as Sutton says, “sophisticated,” and essentially the same as European society.

But to do so, they really are on a post-modern project of co-opting terminology and applying it in a way that weakens meaning almost to the point of uselessness. The most Pascoe-ian example is “agriculture”, which Sutton is very adamant (based on his own work, I believe) is not the way to describe the aboriginal practices and belief as to how to encourage plant growth. The other examples include the attempt to build excitement about rocks having been moved in a river so as to form fish traps by calling them “engineering”. Or “houses” that were small scale huts with construction techniques that were not, by any stretch of the imagination, complex. (They chose some pretty tough wood and “surgically” removed it from trees with stone axes – I rolled my eyes.)

But the big example that Langton kept using was talking about the “complex economies” to describe the fact that some items were traded between tribes – grinding rocks being the main example noted on the show.

I’m sorry, but I’m not buying it. As Sutton would presumably argue, you don’t need to co-opt Western “sophistication” to respect aboriginal society. It’s the fakery in the attempt to do so that actually harms their cause, because (to take one example) people can see with their own eyes that one tribe handing over grinding rocks to another in exchange for something is not “sophisticated” or an “economy” in the same way – or scale – that many other societies have worked over the last few thousand years. (I originally referred to “Western” economies, but really, the comparison with what was going on in at least parts of virtually any other continent is like chalk and cheese.)”

Stevie from Brisbane.

99.999999% of the time he’s such an idiot though.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 20, 2023 5:06 pm

And rather than this being a one-off payment, we should expect to have to pay royalties well into perpetuity.

The “Draft Treaty” of 1988 called for a percentage of Gross Domestic Product, to be paid as “compensation” “In perpetuity.”

Lysander
Lysander
July 20, 2023 5:07 pm

For Cats with short memories… here’s a quote from Elbow:

The Uluru Statement called for a national process of Treaty and Truth-Telling overseen by a Makarrata Commission, along with a constitutionally enshrined voice to the parliament. Labor is committed to the Uluru Statement in full. And today, Labor is committing to establish a Makarrata Commission as a matter of priority.

https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22media%2Fpressrel%2F8105074%22

Lysander
Lysander
July 20, 2023 5:14 pm

ZKTA – I think you’re referring to this 1988 treaty draft:

A negotiated compensation fund (war reparation fund) be established from 7% of National Gross Product for the loss of the rest of the land and the social, physical, psychological ravages made upon us.

https://caid.ca/AboSov1987.pdf

Johnny Rotten
July 20, 2023 5:19 pm

dover0beach
Jul 20, 2023 5:15 PM
Northern Italians adore their southern brothers and sisters. The Frogs don’t look down on the French Belg. The Brits love their northerners. Greeks show crazy love to the Macedonians. The Germans, well let’s leave them out for obvious reasons.

Except the Donbass is like northern Italy and Lvov and Kiev like southern Italy.

And NSW peoples just love those Mexicans south of the border…………LOL

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 20, 2023 5:22 pm

4. COMPENSATION
4.1 GENERAL
4.1.1 That jointly and through the accredited Representative Body of the ‘Federal
Government of Australia’, the Australian people compensate the Aboriginal State
and purchase the lands ceded by an annual payment of seven per cent of gross
national income for the first ten years of this Proclamation; five percent of gross
national product for the following ten years, and two and a half percent of gross
national product thereafter.
4.1.2 The first initial payment of one billion dollars to be paid within one month
of signing of this Treaty.

That’s the one – the draft version leaked to the Press in 1988 used the words “In Perpetuity.” instead of “thereafter.”

JC
JC
July 20, 2023 5:22 pm

Wodney

You’re not a new south Welshman. You’re a dumb import knee padding to a fraudster. STFU

Johnny Rotten
July 20, 2023 5:23 pm

Lysander
Jul 20, 2023 5:07 PM
For Cats with short memories… here’s a quote from Elbow:

The Uluru Statement called for a national process of Treaty and Truth-Telling overseen by a Makarrata Commission, along with a constitutionally enshrined voice to the parliament. Labor is committed to the Uluru Statement in full. And today, Labor is committing to establish a Makarrata Commission as a matter of priority.

https://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22media%2Fpressrel%2F8105074%22

What a load of tripe (and onions). FFS.

Boambee John
Boambee John
July 20, 2023 5:30 pm

Turd Case

“I get that you’re probably drunk or stoned by 2:pm, but you’re saying that Democrat ruled Cities in the U.S. have the same rate of Gun Crime as heavily Gun Legislated Australia.”

Reading comprehension fail, probably the result of having sh1t for brains.

Johnny Rotten
July 20, 2023 5:32 pm

JC
Jul 20, 2023 5:22 PM
Wodney

You’re not a new south Welshman. You’re a dumb import knee padding to a fraudster. STFU

And you, Jerk Off Cretin are a short arse pompous windbag from Sictoria and a wap to boot. Stay where you are in Chairman Dan’s dungeon if you want and help pay off the State Debt. The rest of the country is not interested in helping you and all the others in Sictoria out of the mess that you voted for.

I have lived in NSW for 47 years and paid my taxes. So you STFU and piss off to the USA that you seem to love so much.

caveman
caveman
July 20, 2023 5:32 pm

But the big example that Langton kept using was talking about the “complex economies” to describe the fact that some items were traded between tribes – grinding rocks being the main example noted on the show.

60,000 years they must of seriously been close to becoming miners. But instead they grind iron and aluminium oxides to paint on rocks.

JMH
JMH
July 20, 2023 5:37 pm

Contributors here are well over the target when it comes to the Scream. Too bad urban voters will not be educated to such a level where they can make an ‘informed’ decision. Rural voters, on the other hand, will not be conned. Here is where I have a problem with the NOs winning the battle for common sense. I seriously hope I am proved to be wrong.

Johnny Rotten
July 20, 2023 5:39 pm

4.1.2 The first initial payment of one billion dollars to be paid within one month
of signing of this Treaty.

It is not possible for the Sovereign country called Australia to make a Treaty with over 300 tribes of a non sovereign so called “First Nation’. There never was a nation here when the Brits turned up in 1788. Get over it.

Try going to Law Skool and trying your luck with the UN. FFS.

Morsie
Morsie
July 20, 2023 5:40 pm

FMD email from Origin.Electrickery charges increasing by 30 %on 1 August.

John H.
John H.
July 20, 2023 5:41 pm

caveman
Jul 20, 2023 5:32 PM
But the big example that Langton kept using was talking about the “complex economies” to describe the fact that some items were traded between tribes – grinding rocks being the main example noted on the show.

60,000 years they must of seriously been close to becoming miners. But instead they grind iron and aluminium oxides to paint on rocks.

She forgot to mention how they all had a big conference at Bungmuridoofus, the capital city of Sahul, and decided to abandon the platypus standard in favour of fiat furs.

JC
JC
July 20, 2023 5:43 pm

Wodney

You should be more humble after sucking a convicted fraudster old fella, you lowrent limy wog. Go cry to the ladyboy that someone is being mean to you.

You’re just pathetic and ought to be deported.

Top Ender
Top Ender
July 20, 2023 5:43 pm

Many happy returns Lizzie. Presume you will go up into the Malaysian Highlands to escape the heat?

Meanwhile here in Spain it got to 40 yesterday, but as it’s a very dry heat no big deal. Apparently it is the warmest sea temperature on the coast for a long time – two degrees up on normal to 25. Might go for a swim.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 20, 2023 5:48 pm

Too bad urban voters will not be educated to such a level where they can make an ‘informed’ decision.

I’m wondering how many have ever been confronted by the drunken, truculent matriarch of a certain clan “It’s nothing personal. I just hate all you whitefellas.”

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 20, 2023 5:50 pm

Presume you will go up into the Malaysian Highlands to escape the heat?

Enjoy the Highlands – very much “Last days of the British Raj.”

Johnny Rotten
July 20, 2023 5:50 pm

And you, Jerk Off Cretin are a short arse pompous windbag from Sictoria and a wap to boot. Stay where you are in Chairman Dan’s dungeon if you want and help pay off the State Debt. The rest of the country is not interested in helping you and all the others in Sictoria out of the mess that you voted for.

Q. And what is the Capital of Sictoria?

A. One Australian dollar (if you are lucky).

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 20, 2023 5:51 pm

Morsie

Jul 20, 2023 5:40 PM

FMD email from Origin.Electrickery charges increasing by 30 %on 1 August.

#metoo.
Just got the estimated gas increase for next year.
$600.

Tom
Tom
July 20, 2023 5:53 pm

It’s now clear to all but blind partisans that Daniel Andrews’ “bid” for the 2026 Commonwealth Games was a cheap regional vote-buying stunt for the 2022 state election that he never had any intention of delivering.

And Labor will still romp in the next state election because Victoria not only has no political opposition, but virtually no independent media to question what the Andrews regime is doing – just a spineless Green-left media that laps up the regime’s ideological subservience to the Chinese Communist Party.

Andrews is using the country’s biggest state debt to buy votes, which will be left to a one-term LNP government to clean up before the Labor hegemony is quickly restored.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 20, 2023 5:54 pm

Wodney has a lady-boy?
Who knew?

Lysander
Lysander
July 20, 2023 5:55 pm

6PR had a “word on the street” that some State govt departments have “Yes” pamphlets in them but there are no “No” pamphlets there…

Surely the public serpents are meant to be apolitical? (And have neither?)

JC
JC
July 20, 2023 5:55 pm

Self quoting there now, wodney? You ought to be shipped out on the first freighter that has a spot. Leaving just as you arrived.

Posting fraudsters here like he’s a Nobe prize winner. FMD

Your parole officer has warned you about behaviour.

Vicki
Vicki
July 20, 2023 5:56 pm

Too bad urban voters will not be educated to such a level where they can make an ‘informed’ decision. Rural voters, on the other hand, will not be conned.

In our valley, the majority of responses to a letterbox drop of “Yes” pamphlets was a definite “Get stuffed”. However, the Yes devotees responded by enlisting the help of outsiders to deluge our local Facebook page with “Yes” arguments.

One of the local farmers got hold of the notes from a NIAA meeting suggesting all sorts of benefits that could be milked from a “Yes” win. Well – that created a stir. I suggested that everyone should have a look at the huge amounts of money the NIAA was already squandering – which few Australians realise.

Lysander
Lysander
July 20, 2023 5:57 pm

Q. And what is the Capital of Sictoria?

A. One Australian dollar (if you are lucky).

One Yuan.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 20, 2023 5:57 pm
calli
calli
July 20, 2023 5:58 pm

I’m off to Chateau de Milandes to see Josephine Baker’s banana skirt, amongst other memorabilia. There’s a garden to see there too. And then another garden on the way back – Les Jardins suspendus de Marquessac. Apparently they’re strung along the cliff edge above the Dordogne.

Might even have time for a boat ride.

Like TE’s Spanish experience, the heat is nice and dry so more than bearable.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 20, 2023 5:58 pm

Lysander.
I do hope someone is double checking the translation of referendum pamphlets into other languages.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
July 20, 2023 5:59 pm

I suggested that everyone should have a look at the huge amounts of money the NIAA was already squandering – which few Australians realise.

I wrote to my local member asking what the “Voice” was supposed to do, that the NIAA couldn’t already do. Never received a reply.

Lysander
Lysander
July 20, 2023 6:00 pm

Lysander.
I do hope someone is double checking the translation of referendum pamphlets into other languages.

Indeed! Crossed my mind last night that you’d need to enlist a whole bunch of solid citizens with multi-lingual skills!!!

Rosie
Rosie
July 20, 2023 6:01 pm

If the Voice referendum is defeated it will be because of urban voters.
I’m not quite sure what education they are missing out on

Johnny Rotten
July 20, 2023 6:01 pm

Sancho Panzer
Jul 20, 2023 5:57 PM
I lub you long time, Mr Wodney!

Sirry Iriot…………….

Bruce
Bruce
July 20, 2023 6:03 pm

@ZK2A

“The “Draft Treaty” of 1988 called for a percentage of Gross Domestic Product, to be paid as “compensation” “In perpetuity.””

In the perpetually unlikely event any of these corporate statist vermin had any “integrity”, they would be “sharing” in the same proportions, the crippling “GROSS (in both meanings) National “Deficit”.

That is: STEAL MORE FROM EVERYBODY .

The criminality of the entire fiasco means that the lifters will be scourged and the leaners will be richly rewarded. The Kulaks would like to chime in here, but they were exterminated, basically because they existed.

What was that old saying about; “What cannot continue, will not continue”?

The entire rock-show is raw PROVOCATION. Stand-by for “pseudo-events” that would make Daniel Boorstin blanch.

JMH
JMH
July 20, 2023 6:04 pm

NIAA. That IS the Voice. $Millions delivered to it. Where has that money gone? Also, has Albo stated that with the Voice, agencies like NIAA and the many others will be disbanded? Nope. I have not seen such an undertaking.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 20, 2023 6:06 pm

Tom at 5:53.
I don’t quite agree.
I think Hunchback’s plan was to either borrow Xi-dollars for the games, or stiff the Feds for the bill, either directly or via local government grants.
I have no doubt he went to Beijing earlier this year to borrow buckets of Xi-Dollars for all manner of follies, but he reached the point so many other Xi-Borrowers before him have.
Yes, you can have more Xi-Dollars at a concessional interest rate, but this time there are conditions attached. He actually thought Elbow would wave it through after ScoMo had put a crimp in his Beltin’ Road plans.
But I reckon Elbow knocked that back and, shortly after, refused direct funding as well.
The internal polling on Hunchback must be very ordinary.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 20, 2023 6:13 pm

Not sure about that claim.
Keith Windschuttle was a darling of the Left in the 1970s and for a long time afterward.

Yes he was, it’s how he knew my ex-husband so well. His book called Unemployment was the one I set students in the 70’s, it was wildly popular, taking a Marxist perspective on the rise of computers leading to the redundancy of hundreds of thousands. He wasn’t wrong about the computer takeover, but Marxists can never see the creative destruction side of capitalism. Keith and I had a good laugh about that when we met. What did you think of the socialist me? he asked with a show of embarassment, and I said I was one myself then or I wouldn’t have set your book. By the nineties he’d moved into a critique of Marxism mode and so I had I. Persona non grata, both of us, but with Keith it was far more obvious. I was more known as Hairy’s wife by that time.

Johnny Rotten
July 20, 2023 6:14 pm

Harris – Reducing the Population is a Real Goal

“The White House claims that Vice President Kamala Harris made a gaff by saying that the goal was to “reduce population” when she should have said pollution. Of course, the immediate claim is that anyone disagreeing with that statement is engaging in a conspiracy theory. As they say, actions speak louder than words. She actually said the truth, and it is not a conspiracy theory. In Washington, they have been concerned with reducing population, which is the entire agenda behind climate change.

This entire LGBTQ is being pushed, but not for equality, for they won that in the Supreme Court. The military also had Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. This transgender push is to reduce the population. Only 1.6 million people in the entire United States identify as transgender. This is only 0.0048% of the population. Yet you would think it is really a sale effort to increase that to a majority to reduce the population. Speaking to people I know who are gay, they are suffering the blunt edge of this movement, for they are being thrown into the same category. They have chanted at Pride events, “Give us your children,” but if Jeffrey Epstein said they would petition for his execution.

This is NOT ending discrimination – it is creating it! Pushing it in schools and now separating boys’ and girls’ gyms in school is somehow identifying you as racist and far right. When military parades used to take place, it was just those of the various armed services. No longer. There has to be a “pride” flag. How about flags for every religion as well?

It was NOT a gaff. They tried to change it to pollution after the fact because of the backlash. This is by no means a conspiracy theory. This has been a movement funded by the rich people behind the climate change agenda. They both go hand-in-hand on the same path to hell. Don’t forget Gates’ fund to chip all women like a dog so he can use 5G to turn off the ability even to have children.”

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/population/harris-reduce-the-population-is-a-real-goal/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS

JC
JC
July 20, 2023 6:16 pm

Sancho Panzer
Jul 20, 2023 5:54 PM

Wodney has a lady-boy?
Who knew?

Love is love, so who are we to judge.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 20, 2023 6:19 pm

I just hope Wodney doesn’t get a surprise in the wedding night bourdoir, that’s all.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 20, 2023 6:19 pm

Enjoy the Highlands – very much “Last days of the British Raj.”

Thanks, Zulu. Biggar on parade, I’ll assess for myself whether the Raj was a bad thing in Malaya or not. It’s one reason why we’re going, to see the remnants of Empire, and staying in a hotel reworked from the days of the Raj. Sipping high tea. Top Ender has recommended these Cameron Highlands to us.

cohenite
July 20, 2023 6:20 pm

No mention on the slime networks about the whistleblower hearings confirming what we already knew: the DOJ/ FBI are protecting the biden crime family. A complete contrast with what they did with Trump: 24 hour coverage of the lies against him; and his supporters:

Michigan AG Charges 16 Trump Electors With Felonies for Sending Alternate Electors

Tom
Tom
July 20, 2023 6:20 pm

The internal polling on Hunchback must be very ordinary.

Who cares? The only criticism of chairman Dan comes From Rupertdink Mudrock’s 1964 broadsheet creation, the Paywallian (unread in the suburbs), and the mass-circulation Herald Sun (read by about 1% of Spacechook zombies).

Andrews is untouchable in Victoria — and he knows it. Chairman Dan will choose the date of his retirement and also the sinecure of his post-political life to supplement his robbery of taxpayers via superannuation.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 20, 2023 6:20 pm

Man vs chook.

Palaszczuk’s brutal swipe at Andrews after Victoria cancelled Comm Games (20 Jul, Sky main page headline)

Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk has taken a dig at Victoria’s handling of the Commonwealth Games which was cancelled in the face of a massive cost blowout.

Ms Palaszczuk on Thursday spruiked how the 2018 event on the Gold Coast was delivered under budget, with facilities all in place ahead of schedule.

She made the comments in rejecting any parallels between the organisation of the Brisbane 2032 Olympics and claims the Andrews government ignored critical planning advice.

“We’ve been talking with the IOC (International Olympic Committee) every step of the way,” Ms Palaszczuk told reporters. “The IOC is absolutely delighted in the progress that we have made

Gold Coast Mayor Tom Tate on Thursday floated the idea of bringing the games back to the region to fill the void left by the Andrews government.

“The Premier of Victoria’s lemon, the Gold Coast can turn that into a lemonade,” he said.

“Our facilities have been maintained at the highest level, so we’re games-ready. We don’t have to build. We’ve done it already and not a lot would change.”

Well that’s embarrassing for Dan the CFMEU Man. Not $7 billion, basically zero, zilch, cheap as chips. It’d be fun if Mr Tate’s offer got up, it’d be very popcornworthy. On the other hand Ms Chook won’t be around for when the bill for the 2032 Olympics comes, which I suspect will be a budgetary Black Hole of Calcutta.

Johnny Rotten
July 20, 2023 6:23 pm

The internal polling on Hunchback must be very ordinary.

Not at all as the stupid voters put him back in at the last Erection. Now try and get him out before the next State Erection.

Sictoria. The Garden State? More like the Garbage Tip State and what a state to get into. FFS.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 20, 2023 6:26 pm

Why JC is such good value here.

JC at 4.11 on brotherly love within national borders. lol.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
July 20, 2023 6:27 pm

I’ve gotta go and clean the BBQ ready for my cat sitter son to use.
It’s such a mess. I hope I can persuade him that the air fryer is better.

Speedbox
July 20, 2023 6:28 pm

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Jul 20, 2023 5:22 PM
4. COMPENSATION
4.1 GENERAL
4.1.1 That jointly and through the accredited Representative Body of the ‘Federal
Government of Australia’, the Australian people compensate the Aboriginal State
and purchase the lands ceded by an annual payment of seven per cent of gross
national income for the first ten years of this Proclamation.

Quick back of the envelope calculation…..

Australia’s current GDP is ~$1.6tn and there are about 14m workers (both full and part time). For ease, we will assume all workers are full time and each worker would need to contribute $8k ($160 p/w post tax) of their earnings EACH YEAR to pay their annual compensation debt.

Lots of assumptions in the foregoing but I believe that one day, maybe in 5-10-15 years, some government will fold on this issue and the people of Australia will be saddled with paying compensation in perpetuity, because “it’s only fair”.

I doubt it will reach the heights described in the 1988 document but I will not be surprised if it ends up at around $250-500 per household per annum. It will be ‘sold’ as “less than $5 (or $10) per week”. Several billions of dollars per year will be collected as ‘rent’.

miltonf
miltonf
July 20, 2023 6:31 pm

Sictoria. The Garden State? More like the Garbage Tip State and what a state to get into. FFS.

You really are a rude old k**t and full of it. Why don’t you eff off. I’d rather live in rural Vicco than sodom of south with in congestion and neurosis any day.

Tom
Tom
July 20, 2023 6:33 pm

I’ve gotta go and clean the BBQ ready for my cat sitter son to use.
It’s such a mess. I hope I can persuade him that the air fryer is better.

My family is full of air fryer fans. I don’t need much convincing — a marvellous invention and next on my list.

Now back to James Martin’s French Adventure on SBS Food.

Johnny Rotten
July 20, 2023 6:33 pm

I doubt it will reach the heights described in the 1988 document but I will not be surprised if it ends up at around $250-500 per household per annum. It will be ‘sold’ as “less than $5 (or $10) per week”. Several billions of dollars per year will be collected as ‘rent’.

And I remember the ‘blurb’ years ago about your (lol) ABC only costing 1 dollar a day. FFS.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
July 20, 2023 6:36 pm

(Halfway through writing that last comment there was much rattling at my front door. I go out to see. Male brushtail who hasn’t visited the Cafe for a month is desperately climbing up my screen door. I get a slice of bread and return – he’s hanging in the middle of it like a giant moth, so I open the door, reach around and hand him the bread, which he accepts.

Then there’s the small problem of how to climb down a screen door while holding a slice of bread in your mouth. He managed about a foot, then fell off. Landed on my porch then commenced consuming the bread like he was starving, which since it’s the middle of winter he probably is. Life is harsh on male brushtail possums. He’s now attacking a large carrot.)

Johnny Rotten
July 20, 2023 6:37 pm

You really are a rude old k**t and full of it.

LOL. Just sticking it back to Jerk Off Cretin who starts every stoush with his pompous windbag Big Gob. Tell him/her/whatever who is a rude farker and not quite full of it then. FFS.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 20, 2023 6:40 pm

JC.
Has the Great Port Substitution turned into the Great Port Substitution Scandal yet?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
July 20, 2023 6:41 pm

Earlier:

The absolute crux of the matter is that this is no longer your home, it’s no longer your house, it’s no longer your land.

This law in Western Australia just got passed, nobody kicked up a fuss about it, we didn’t hear much about it, but suddenly –

and this is the absolute heart of the matter – you either believe that property rights in this country belong to the individual who has paid for them or you believe that all land across the continent of Australia belongs to Indigenous Australians and that sovereignty was never ceded.

Someone here related the first red flag – a farmer who couldn’t build/improve a culvert over a creek running through his property because it would offend the Wagyl, or some such troll-under-the-bridge.

Someone else then said how wonderful the Wagyl was. Even had a painting of it. So wonderful and historic and redolent of ages past.

I wonder if that sentiment still holds strong.

Crossie
Crossie
July 20, 2023 6:41 pm

And I remember the ‘blurb’ years ago about your (lol) ABC only costing 1 dollar a day.

Wasn’t it still touted as only 8 cents per day per person not that long ago?

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
July 20, 2023 6:42 pm

I’ve gotta go and clean the BBQ ready for my cat sitter son to use.

He’s going to barbeque the cat?

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