Open Thread – Mon 14 Aug 2023


An Iron Forge, Joseph Wright of Derby, 1772

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Tom
Tom
August 15, 2023 4:21 am
Tom
Tom
August 15, 2023 4:22 am
Tom
Tom
August 15, 2023 4:23 am
Tom
Tom
August 15, 2023 4:26 am
Willem Pasterkamp
Willem Pasterkamp
August 15, 2023 4:27 am

Before the aether denial fraud got started physicists had names like JJ Thompson, Rutherford …. English and Germans although Germans really dominated Chemistry. And on the electrical wing there were Heaviside, before him Maxwell, later Steinmetz, Tesla. What happens a few decades later. See the new movie for how the profile was altered in just a few decades. Few jobs for the white guys in the big money operations any more. A lot like in computer programming. The computer revolution was started by white hippies in California. But a series of measures were used to take the business away from them. And to make formerly successful programmers basically unemployable. This included a diversion to Seattle and the fairly cynical use of Indians. People know how to take over institutions. In economics this was done by locking in Keynes as a demi-god and teaching small children the Keynesian multiplier as a filter.

You can still get a lot of mileage by excavating Steinmetz. Since electricity was sidelined and minimised. Rather than polluted. The things some of the kids are doing by bringing back Steinmetz (through Eric Dollard) are pretty amazing. But these will be denied to us commercially and money will continue to be diverted to this crude uneducated version of fusion, that can never work for energy production.

Johnny Rotten
August 15, 2023 4:32 am

Thanks once again Tom.

Johnny Rotten
August 15, 2023 4:36 am

The birth of science as we know it arguably began with Isaac Newton’s formulation of the laws of gravitation and motion. It is no exaggeration to say that physics was reborn in the early 20th-century with the twin revolutions of quantum mechanics and the theory of relativity.

– Paul Davies

Willem Pasterkamp
Willem Pasterkamp
August 15, 2023 4:48 am

Twin revolutions? They were twin takeovers not involving anything resembling the scientific method. Newton’s formulae were okay approximations for the inner solar system. Whereas this rebirth involving these non-scientific priesthoods was an institutional takeover that is on its second century of holding us back. No formula stays a good approximation for the whole range of observations. Because we are talking about mechanisms and not anything that obeys heritage formulae. So the excessive fidelity to Newton’s formula is a problem.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
August 15, 2023 6:03 am

Dover please check your email.

KevinM
KevinM
August 15, 2023 6:08 am

Tintarella di Luna
Aug 15, 2023 5:55 AM

Louis, as I understand it the sex was instigated by determined efforts by an oversexed very young teenager whose efforts may have weighed on the sentencing judge’s mind — however that’s not excusing the idiot teacher who, I understand, at the time, was a 58-year old music teacher at the non-government school attended by said very young teenager.

Shyte, he was stupid, but at the same time, imagine the fury unleashed by her if he steadfastly refused?
I’m speculating here so don’t get all het up.

What he should have done is seek help, but again probably ego and lust had a play.

will
will
August 15, 2023 6:12 am

Lee
Aug 14, 2023 9:23 PM
“He was coached on the setting.
By someone who didn’t know about the reno.”
By more than one person. We know their names.
I read somewhere that our “beloved premier” (LOL) here in Victoria got “J” a plum job, although I don’t know whether it was before, during, or after Pell’s trial.
Bar Beach Swimmer
Aug 14, 2023 9:29 PM
“J” a plum job, although I don’t know whether it was before, during, or after Pell’s trial.
after. It was a council where someone of note also was working.

I believe “J” was given a gig at Whittlesea Shire Council (maybe he lived in the area) but when his drug addled attitude proved too much he was sacked. Dan then sacked the Council and “J” was given a gig in the State Government.

m0nty
m0nty
August 15, 2023 6:16 am

So the monied up LLC’s don’t count? The plea bargain that went south where the evidence wasn’t argued doesn’t count? The Laptop from hell doesn’t count?

Hunter Biden is a screw up, but if you want to bring down a government you are going to need a lot more than that.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
August 15, 2023 6:51 am

What he should have done is seek help, but again probably ego and lust had a play.

In no way do I blame the very young teenager, he was a stupid stupid man and he took advantage of and sexually abused a young girl who was probably going through who knows what. It is a very very sad thing, the devastation is ongoing.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 15, 2023 6:58 am

I notice there is a 0.5 uptick going free in the aether and as I’m in an uptick deprivation zone may I have it to quell the longing.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 15, 2023 7:04 am

Quenthland news (the Courier-Mail):

A Sarina couple has been arrested over vile allegations they engaged in multiple sex acts with dogs over 12 months, it can be revealed.

Crystal May Hoare, 37 and Jay Wade Veenstra, 28 are both charged with five counts of bestiality.

And:

Police will allege the sex acts involved two dogs and were recorded on October 18 in 2021 and on March 19, May 17, June 6 and October 25 in 2022 in the Sarina region.

The Last Holdout’s firing on all cylinders. The people concerned will probably claim they were affected by drugs*.

*Iodine.

Rosie
Rosie
August 15, 2023 7:05 am

I didn’t say I was surprised by Prideaux’s revenge, I said I thought it was selfish.

132andBush
132andBush
August 15, 2023 7:07 am

Ruff sex.

Robert Sewell
August 15, 2023 7:10 am

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/german-media-and-political-establishment
Communists are trying to ban a rightwing party in Germany to enhance democracy. Riiight.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 15, 2023 7:16 am

Ruff sex.

‘Who wants a Scooby snack?’

‘Roooooby roooby roooo…….’

Cassie of Sydney
August 15, 2023 7:20 am

“Mary Harrington is one such woman, Peachy Keenan (a pseudonym), Erika Bachiochi — they are magnificent reactionaries.”

And Louise Perry. Perry’s book “The Case against the Sexual Revolution” is superb.

Cassie of Sydney
August 15, 2023 7:23 am

Oh look, the pervert apologist is up early.

I wonder how many people whose opinions he doesn’t like or approve of he’s going to punch today?

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 15, 2023 7:24 am

HBB you may not be on trial but everyone in Canberra is guilty. “Show me the man and I’ll find you the crime”, come to mind.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 15, 2023 7:25 am
P
P
August 15, 2023 7:25 am

Solemnity of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary – 15th August

On August 15, 1483, Pope Sixtus IV consecrated the Sistine Chapel to Our Lady of the Assumption.
NCR

Willem Pasterkamp
Willem Pasterkamp
August 15, 2023 7:27 am

We can see from the temperature profile in the Suns corona that the energy being produced there is pristine. It’s new energy creation. The energy is not coming from the core.

One of the stupidest ideas foisted on us is that the sun is made of hydrogen and is fueled by fusion. Hydrogen is light and floats to the top. Every last thing we know about the sun contradicts the idiots model.

Min
Min
August 15, 2023 7:29 am

Re Old music teacher and teenage girl , the old saying still applies about brains, windows and dicks

Diogenes
Diogenes
August 15, 2023 7:29 am

Interesting take on recent Chinese economic data from Peter Zeihan. https://youtu.be/A9-wfHgjTB8.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 15, 2023 7:30 am

A Sarina couple has been arrested over vile allegations they engaged in multiple sex acts with dogs over 12 months, it can be revealed.

My dog Spot (not his real name) has humped my leg a few times.
It was totally non-consensual.
No-one can prove otherwise.

Tintarella di Luna
Tintarella di Luna
August 15, 2023 7:32 am

And Louise Perry. Perry’s book “The Case against the Sexual Revolution” is superb.

Yes Louise Perry too. There are women who want to be women and the young women of today are being told they can do whatever a man can do, so? do they really want to be men? are they are being encouraged to erase their femininity in order to work long hours, work dangerous physically demanding jobs that sap strength and life, sleep with whomever they choose, just like some men can and do or try to do?
Peachy Keenan says there’s a lot of catching up to do – the women-erasers have had a 100 year start

Bruce
Bruce
August 15, 2023 7:33 am

@ Dot:

As Albert Einstein may have once said:

“Space / Time is not just curved,. It is BENT”.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 15, 2023 7:34 am

Min

Aug 15, 2023 7:29 AM

Re Old music teacher and teenage girl , the old saying still applies about brains, windows and dicks

Legally and morally he is 100% to blame.
There are no mitigating factors.
None.
Those suggesting “it was consensual” and “she threw herself at him” might want to reflect on what their response would be if it was their daughter or grand-daughter.

Robert Sewell
August 15, 2023 7:39 am

Kansas Newspaper Co-Owner Dies Following Unprecedented Raid by City’s Entire Police Force – Seized Computers and Equipments to Protect Prominent City Figure

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/kansas-newspaper-co-owner-dies-following-unprecedented-raid/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=the-gateway-pundit&utm_campaign=breaking&utm_content=breaking

Min
Min
August 15, 2023 7:39 am

Exactly Sancho but an explanation as to why he thought he could get away with it .
He was the adult in a position of trust.

Min
Min
August 15, 2023 7:45 am

Dover my name not being saved

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 15, 2023 7:47 am

Only in Queensssland.

Possession of Donny Osmond for personal use is legal in Queensland.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 15, 2023 7:50 am

Get back to me when you have enough actual hard evidence implicating Joe in a specific crime. So far it’s all hearsay, dodgy hacked stuff and table pounding.

In mUnty world, bank accounts and financial transfers are “all hearsay, dodgy hacked stuff and table pounding”. His accountant must have a ball doing his tax returns.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 15, 2023 7:52 am

Min

Aug 15, 2023 7:39 AM

Exactly Sancho but an explanation as to why he thought he could get away with it .
He was the adult in a position of trust.

I think that is right.
If challenged his first line of defence would be that the girl was a fantasist and highly emotional.
Whilst we are on the subject of arbitrary legal penalties for what gets said in court, how about immediate de-frocking and dis-barring for any lawyer who uses the word “consensual” in a sexual assault case involving under-age children?
As Cassie says, consent is legally impossible in such cases, and any lawyer who uses that word should get another job.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 15, 2023 7:54 am

Dr Faustus

Aug 15, 2023 7:47 AM

Only in Queensssland.

Possession of Donny Osmond for personal use is legal in Queensland

Disgusting reprobates.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 15, 2023 7:54 am

m0nty
Aug 15, 2023 6:16 AM
So the monied up LLC’s don’t count? The plea bargain that went south where the evidence wasn’t argued doesn’t count? The Laptop from hell doesn’t count?

Hunter Biden is a screw up, but if you want to bring down a government you are going to need a lot more than that.

That admission is one small step for a Fatboy, …. but he still has a very long march ahead of him.

Robert Sewell
August 15, 2023 7:55 am

Citizens of London are furious over the city’s Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) rules that renders a large section of the city practically inaccessible by car because there are very few vehicles that meet the draconian emissions standards that permit them to enter the zone, according to The Drive.
London city officials have designated a 147 square-mile sector as its pollution-free Ultra Low Emission Zone, supposedly to clean up the air quality in the city that was once derided as “The Big Smoke” due to its air pollution.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/cameras-go-punish-drivers-name-climate-change-vigilantes/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=the-gateway-pundit&utm_campaign=dailypm&utm_content=2023-08-14

duncanm
duncanm
August 15, 2023 7:55 am

caveman
Aug 15, 2023 3:28 AM
Always good when Joe Aston pays out on Cannon-Brookes, refers to him as Double Bay Jesus.

When he’s on song, Joe Aston is very good. Captures the problems in a pithy putdown so well.

It’s the mismatch between an attention span in 180 characters and an attention span in decades.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 15, 2023 7:57 am

Min

Aug 15, 2023 7:45 AM

Dover my name not being saved

Is the “save my name … ” box ticked?
Is your name and email exactly the same as before?
(No stray dots or spaces).

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 15, 2023 7:57 am

Cassie of Sydney
Aug 15, 2023 7:23 AM
Oh look, the pervert apologist is up early.

I wonder how many people whose opinions he doesn’t like or approve of he’s going to punch today?

None. He is such a gutless worm that if he met someone in a wheelchair who disagreed with him, he would call in Ante-fa (arrives before fascism) to do the punching. But he might hold the wheelchair still, to help his heroes.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 15, 2023 8:00 am

So…I take it Knight, in his cartoon, is endorsing Albo’s distraction of promising a public holiday if the Matildas win.

Does he really not see the issue?

m0nty
m0nty
August 15, 2023 8:01 am

If using Delaware LLCs was a crime, most of corporate America would be in gaol.

I mean, sure, if you want to lock up all the consultants and tax lawyers on principle, that might improve society. You’re going to have to try a lot harder to impeach a President.

Cassie of Sydney
August 15, 2023 8:04 am

“He is such a gutless worm “

Generous.

Black Ball
Black Ball
August 15, 2023 8:04 am

Phuck off monty.

JC
JC
August 15, 2023 8:05 am

Fatboy

You’re such anNPC.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 15, 2023 8:06 am

I disagree Thancho about Whybrow being as bad as Dumbgeld if he said I believe my client to be completely innocent. Dumbgeld has the resources and backing of State to produce all the evidence not just the bits he wants. The defence has the right to pick and choose what bits he wants to highlight and what bits he doesn’t. Dumbgeld had obviously never heard of natural justice. These days all the way to and including the High Court is feelz. Laws are only written for the benefit of lawyers. Laws are being rewritten every day as some dickhead says “we want to make sure it will never happen again”. What a lot of tosh. As for Royal Commissions what can I say.

Black Ball
Black Ball
August 15, 2023 8:09 am

Just parroting the DemonRats line. Herald Sun:

A Labor branch linked to one of Daniel Andrews’ top ministers and political allies had membership forms that had been submitted with the signatures of dead people, it has been revealed.

Leaked documents from a 2020 Victorian branch-stacking investigation showed that only 13 of the 132 members signed up by the Lalor South branch – associated with Climate Action, Energy and ­Resources Minister Lily D’Ambrosio – remained on the books after the probe was carried out, according to The Australian.

Two men whose memberships of the branch were renewed for two years after their deaths was also uncovered.

The probe, conducted by former premier Steve Bracks and former federal deputy Labor ­leader Jenny Macklin, was prompted by allegations of “industrial-style” branch stacking from the Premier’s factional enemy Adem Somyurek.

However, the review, commissioned by Mr Andrews, also revealed Ms D’Ambrosio’s ALP branch was the only one in the state where all memberships were paid in cash or by untraceable means.

Despite the leaked details, Mr Andrews was last night standing by his minister, saying that Ms D’Ambrosio was “an outstanding member” and he said that “memberships are a matter for the party”.

In 2021, a joint investigation by the Independent Broad-based Anti-corruption Commission and ­Ombudsman, called Operation Watts, ­ probed the branch-stacking allegations aimed at Mr Somyurek’s Mods faction.

The investigation did not look into any other matters.

The records showed that elderly members of the local Italian community, including Antonio ­Donato, who died in July 2017 aged 82, and Celestino Nigro, who died in September 2017 aged 77, were members.

Membership fees for both men were paid in cash, according to membership lists until April 2020 for Nigro.

Children of the men expressed shock and disappointment when finding out about the memberships.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 15, 2023 8:11 am

BJ mutley is not capable of a long march. Mao did it for him and is now enjoying the fruits. Feeble in mind, feeble in body.

Cassie of Sydney
August 15, 2023 8:19 am

“These days all the way to and including the High Court is feelz.”

Nup, the HIgh Court didn’t engage in “feelz” in April 2020 when they vindicated George Pell……..7-0. They engaged in cold hard facts and evidence. Ask Kerri Judd about that. Judd attempted to engage in feelz in the HC when prosecuting her case against Pell, the HC judges weren’t impressed.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 15, 2023 8:20 am

[email protected], so true.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 15, 2023 8:21 am

GreyRanga

Aug 15, 2023 8:06 AM

I disagree Thancho about Whybrow being as bad as Dumbgeld if he said I believe my client to be completely innocent. Dumbgeld has the resources and backing of State to produce all the evidence not just the bits he wants

The point isn’t about evidence and resources.
It was simply about lawyers opening their yap outside the court system.
Dumgold openly stated there was “a good prospect of conviction” except Britnah couldn’t show up for Round Two.
Totally wrong.
Whybrow refused to be drawn on the question of his belief as to what happened.
Correct answer.

m0nty
m0nty
August 15, 2023 8:23 am

JC, I create wealth in my own business. You skim the system. Back in your box.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 15, 2023 8:23 am

m0nty
Aug 15, 2023 8:01 AM
If using Delaware LLCs was a crime, most of corporate America would be in gaol.

Arev you really this stupid? It depends to what use the LLCs are being put. Is the distribution of the proceeds of corruption legal in Delaware?

bons
bons
August 15, 2023 8:26 am

I have never understood how it is that if a couple become irresponsibily inebriated, anything that subsequently occurrs is the man’s fault.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 15, 2023 8:28 am

Whybrow’s point was that as soon as lawyers start getting too close to their “clients” and their causes, they face the danger of trying to redress some perceived injustice by tipping the scales of justice in their direction.
He was also pointing out that people quickly became very polarised and entrenched on both sides of this.
I agree.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 15, 2023 8:28 am

m0nty
Aug 15, 2023 8:23 AM
JC, I create wealth in my own business. You skim the system. Back in your box.

You are a parasite on the AFL, sucking blood from its veins and calling it “creation. Back in your box.

P
P
August 15, 2023 8:29 am

At 8.44 am on 15 August 1945 the Australian Government received the news that Japan had surrendered and the Second World War was over.
At 9:30 am announced by the PM via Radio 2CY Canberra.

VJ Day in Australia

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 15, 2023 8:30 am

bons

Aug 15, 2023 8:26 AM

I have never understood how it is that if a couple become irresponsibily inebriated, anything that subsequently occurrs is the man’s fault.

If you have a propensity to stick your dick in unwanted places when you are on the turps, don’t get on the turps.
Simple.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 15, 2023 8:38 am

Cassie you are right about 7-0 but that was not an interpretation of law. I didn’t make it clear if the law has to be interpreted it becomes subjective instead of objective. Seems to me laws are written as a catch all and as are written in legalese to benefit lawyers and not the people they are supposedly protecting. Complexity of the law is the feature, I see see it as a fault.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 15, 2023 8:39 am

Poor, pathetic, mUnty. Since Dick Ed has gone, there is no-one here who believes a word he posts, and most hold him in contempt. But we are the only company he can find since his dog died in that regrettable incident.

Just sad. It must be sooooo lonely in that basement.

Johnny Rotten
August 15, 2023 8:45 am

One of the stupidest ideas foisted on us is that the sun is made of hydrogen and is fueled by fusion. Hydrogen is light and floats to the top. Every last thing we know about the sun contradicts the idiots model.

Hmmmmmmm – Doing a quick ‘Google’, this provides the following –

The Sun, like others stars, is a ball of gas. In terms of the number of atoms, it is made of 91.0% hydrogen and 8.9% helium. By mass, the Sun is about 70.6% hydrogen and 27.4% helium – 9 Apr 2018 –

Individual hydrogen atoms remain the most common element found in the universe, making up nearly 95% of the universe’s atoms. Helium is the second lightest and second most abundant element in the observable universe. According to NASA, close to 5% of the universe’s atoms are helium. – 27 Feb 2023 –

Obviously, all stupid stuff – Sarc/ –

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 15, 2023 8:46 am

Looks like it’s “Buy Me a Cup of Coffee” spam hour.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 15, 2023 8:52 am

Lawyers are agents. Agents for their clients and officers of the court. Beyond not knowingly leading evidence that they know to be false their belief in the innocence or otherwise of their client is not really relevant. That is ultimately a matter for the judge or jury. The Crown (through its agent the DPP or police) is required to establish guilt using admissible evidence. The accused is required to establish nothing.

Dot
Dot
August 15, 2023 8:55 am

Bird argued against relativity…by noting that physical variables were relative to each other.

Genius at work.

Dot
Dot
August 15, 2023 8:57 am

There is no way that you falsely accuse one person who goes to trial and is acquitted and four other people without being malicious or deranged.

Ditto for “Jay”‘s serial perjuring.

Please note this was the context of the perjury discussion. No one is asserting a not guilty verdict necessarily means perjury.

All we need is for the current laws to be enforced properly.

Black Ball
Black Ball
August 15, 2023 8:58 am

The brilliant David Thompson alerts us to a new form of parenting. Is it time for a stiff drink this early? An incredible read.

Dot
Dot
August 15, 2023 8:59 am

Ask Kerri Judd about that. Judd attempted to engage in feelz in the HC when prosecuting her case against Pell, the HC judges weren’t impressed.

That was truly ridiculous. It was in the Ted J Rout territory of High Court appellate arguments.

Willem Pasterkamp
Willem Pasterkamp
August 15, 2023 8:59 am

The Sun, like others stars, is a ball of gas. In terms of the number of atoms, it is made of 91.0% hydrogen and 8.9% helium. By mass, the Sun is about 70.6% hydrogen and 27.4% helium – 9 Apr 2018

All complete idiocy. Hydrogen and helium
float to the top. And these retards look at the gasses they can see and claim they go all the way down.

You simply cannot get more special class than that.

Cassie of Sydney
August 15, 2023 8:59 am

“Whybrow’s point was that as soon as lawyers start getting too close to their “clients” and their causes, they face the danger of trying to redress some perceived injustice by tipping the scales of justice in their direction.”

Which is exactly what happened with Dumgold.

Rafiki
Rafiki
August 15, 2023 9:01 am

Ah yes, Sanchez, but is the vagina of a drunk female necessarily (that is, without exception) “unwanted”? Because that is what the law in the ACT ( and NSW) now provides. This explains why some complainants have exaggerated the degree of their inebriation. Their drunkenness obviates consent. (It also allows them to say that their recollections are imprecise or even wrong.)
The next step in ‘reform’ of the law is to provide that an accused cannot argue that he believed that the complainant consented. If she didn’t, that’s rape.
Men need to know about this.

Dot
Dot
August 15, 2023 9:02 am

It’s pretty funny that Graeme is arguing against observable phenomena, like cosmic blueshift, gravitational red/blueshift, gravitational lensing, observable time dilation measured by ordinary clocks or nuclear decay…

It’s just so dumb. SR and GR are wrong and evil because of Jews.

You stupid unteachable bastard.

Robert Sewell
August 15, 2023 9:03 am

bons

Aug 15, 2023 8:26 AM
I have never understood how it is that if a couple become irresponsibily inebriated, anything that subsequently occurrs is the man’s fault.

Valid question.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 15, 2023 9:04 am

Neither crusading judges or lawyers make for very good laws.

Robert Sewell
August 15, 2023 9:05 am

Boambee John

Aug 15, 2023 8:39 AM
Poor, pathetic, mUnty. Since Dick Ed has gone, there is no-one here who believes a word he posts, and most hold him in contempt. But we are the only company he can find since his dog died in that regrettable incident.

Mr Ed is gone? When did that happen?

Dot
Dot
August 15, 2023 9:06 am

All complete idiocy. Hydrogen and helium
float to the top. And these retards look at the gasses they can see and claim they go all the way down.

You simply cannot get more special class than that.

No one ever said the increasing metallicity of stars does not result in a metal core that is eventually unable to sustain fusion in an ongoing and stable manner.

These “elements” in the sun may be less dense, but it is a plasma under very strong gravity, very high temperatures and with magnetic currents and storms.

You presume the standard model is wrong with a silly assumption it doesn’t make then you proclaim how clever you are.

You are a charlatan without the vocabulary to convince anyone.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 15, 2023 9:07 am

VJ Day in Australia

My late father maintained that VJ Day in Perth was celebrated with more dignity and restraint then “Schoolies” ever was. There was a air of weariness, the war was over, the men would be coming home, and everyone could get on with their lives.

Willem Pasterkamp
Willem Pasterkamp
August 15, 2023 9:10 am

Look Dot. Yo see that the Hydrogen that has floated to the top and to conclude that it goes all the way down is intellectually handicapped. There is no getting around that.

But it also requires you to sign onto the doctrines of hydrogen self-segregation and self compression in solar system formation.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 15, 2023 9:10 am

Bird argued against relativity…by noting that physical variables were relative to each other.

Welteislehre tells us everything we need to know about the observable universe without invoking impure spacetime curvature theories. Possibly falls apart a little at the subatomic scale, but you can’t have everything…

Roger
Roger
August 15, 2023 9:11 am

There was a air of weariness, the war was over, the men would be coming home, and everyone could get on with their lives.

Yes…and never have to talk about the war again.

Tom
Tom
August 15, 2023 9:12 am

Rafiki’s 9.01am post deserves many upticks.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 15, 2023 9:23 am

Good job it doesn’t rain much in Perf because the standard of design and construction of roof plumbing is uniformly woeful. My kitchen cabinets currently serving as an informal downpipe (with periodic help from me). Only really becomes serious when the downlight doubles as a water feature. Six months of summer gives everything plenty of time to dry out. Around 10mm in half an hour at Swanbourne for comparison.

Johnny Rotten
August 15, 2023 9:27 am

Willem Pasterkamp
Aug 15, 2023 8:59 AM

I would rather believe NASA than you.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 15, 2023 9:27 am

My kitchen cabinets currently serving as an informal downpipe (with periodic help from me). Only really becomes serious when the downlight doubles as a water feature.

If you applied goodthink to this supposed problem, you would quickly realise that it is an opportunity to reduce your electricity demand – possibly on a whole-of-premises basis.

Roger
Roger
August 15, 2023 9:29 am

Good job it doesn’t rain much in Perf…

Is that what attracts the Poms?

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 15, 2023 9:30 am

I would rather believe NASA than you.

His medical work needs attention too. Good on poisoned wells though.

Tom
Tom
August 15, 2023 9:34 am

It has taken me nearly three weeks since I bought a new laptop to get the thing working the way I want it, but it has been a real personal education.

The first thing I worked out is that the telco that sells me bandwith (Telstra) is virtually useless when it comes to customer service.

That was after I long ago worked out that the tech manufacturers who sell computers and software are ABSOLUTELY useless because they operate a zero customer service business model where you’re on your own when things go wrong with their systems.

As I have already reported here, the most important document you own when buying a computer is the retailer’s invoice.

My local Officeworks has been absolutely brilliant. After spending a week talking to Telstra’s tech people, I started talking to Officeworks’s tech gurus with instant results.

It took the Officeworks guy a couple of minutes to organise my new laptop’s wifi internet connection via my iPhone’s “personal hotspot” after the Telstra guy said he couldn’t help me and I should go back to the retailer.

The second problem was to get rid of an Indian malware site, which had latched onto my new laptop and was sending me what it hoped would be tech suicide notes virtually every minute.

The problem was my laptop wouldn’t let me load anti-malware software not approved by Microsoft Security (whose software was pre-installed on my laptop) or the Apple app store (my iPhone’s monopoly provider).

The Officeworks guy knew immediately what to do: don’t stuff around, just reset the laptop, which would get rid of its malware worms.

Two hours later, I have a brand-new laptop which does everything I want it to.

It has taken 19 days, but it has been well worth the education.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 15, 2023 9:35 am

Is that what attracts the Poms?

Fortunately beachside land prices mean you are unlikely to encounter any south of Marmion. Even they have given up going to Perth Glory games which are like a round ball version of recent Eagles games.

Dot
Dot
August 15, 2023 9:37 am

Sir, please download TeamViewer, actually!

Johnny Rotten
August 15, 2023 9:49 am

Is that what attracts the Poms?

It’s a better time zone for watching weekend EPL games and it is a long way from CanBrrrrrrr.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 15, 2023 9:55 am

Algeria bans Barbie movie over ‘western deviances’
Angus McDowallReuters
Tue, 15 August 2023 6:00AM

Algeria has banned the movie Barbie, which had been showing at some cinemas in the country for several weeks.

An official source on Monday said the film “promotes homosexuality and other Western deviances” and that it “does not comply with Algeria’s religious and cultural beliefs”.

Starring Margot Robbie and Ryan Gosling as Barbie and Ken, the movie sends Mattel Inc’s doll on an adventure into the real world.

It has topped $US1 billion ($A1.5 billion) in box office ticket sales worldwide since its July 21 debut.

Lebanon and Kuwait have both also banned the film.

Algeria’s Culture Ministry supervises the contents of films projected in cinemas and can stop them being shown.

Cassie of Sydney
August 15, 2023 9:55 am

“Tom
Aug 15, 2023 9:12 AM
Rafiki’s 9.01am post deserves many upticks.”

Yes, I agree.

Any man must now tread very, very carefully around any kind of sexual relationship with a woman. Mothers and fathers need to instruct their sons about the dangers of casual sex, and that females can and do weaponise sexual activity.

I’ve been thinking about these issues for a long time, but the whole Brittany saga has confirmed my thoughts. I wrote a piece the other day on C.L.’s blog on this. I was going to suggest to Dover that it be a thread of its own….but here it is.

“With the Porter, Lehrmann et all the other allegations, I’ve been doing a lot of thinking. Let me state that these problems, particularly of the kind that have been alleged against Porter and Lehrmann (and the ALP staffer whose name I forget), are NOT happening in religious communities, be they Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Hindu or others. Religious people of all creeds almost always believe that you don’t have sex until marriage, that sex is regarded as sacred, you marry young, and you procreate. Sex in Judaism is regarded as a gift from God, something to be enjoyed and celebrated, but only between a husband and wife, and I suspect it’s exactly the same in Christianity. But these rules, now only confined to the religious, were the common rules across the West until only about fifty years ago. Since then, thanks to militant feminism, we’ve seen the unravelling and collapse of religion across the West, and with that the accompanying collapse of social and sexual mores. The problem nowadays is that too many young men and young women are sexually active outside marriage, they’re often promiscuous, and this demeans the sexual act. But I also believe that it exposes men and women to unsavoury allegations. Casual sex is demeaning, it sullies the soul and it emotionally, physically and psychologically exposes people. We’ve all now seen the video footage of Bruce and Brittany entering the minister’s office, the repercussions of what happened or did not happen in that office that night destroyed a government, but more importantly, it’s destroyed a young man’s life. But here’s the thing, once upon a time it would have been taboo for a young women to go out without knickers, it would have been taboo for a young women to accompany a young man back to an empty office. That would never happen in religious communities.

Our grandparent’s generation usually only had one sexual partner in their lives….ONE, unless there was a bereavement or more rarely, divorce. I am pretty sure that that all of my four grandparents were virgins when they married in the mid and late 1930s (my mother’s mother was eighteen). I think we need to instruct our young that sex is sacred, it belongs in marriage, and that young men and women shouldn’t be going to nightclubs, parties, or worse….online, to pick up sexual partners that not only don’t provide them with any long-term intimacy and satisfaction, but also adds to their unhappiness, their loneliness and makes them vulnerable, very vulnerable to false accusations.

UK author and journalist, Louise Perry, has written an excellent good book called The Case against the Sexual Revolution. I’ve read it and it confirms everything I’ve long thought, that the sexual revolution has only made men and women lonelier and unhappier. It’s certainly been the case with me. If I could relive my life over again, I would never ever have had sex before marriage.

m0nty
m0nty
August 15, 2023 10:01 am

@MikeSington

Criminal charges against Trump accidentally published on the Fulton County, Georgia court website, then quickly taken down. The charges include:

Violation Of The Georgia RICO (Racketeer Influenced And Corrupt Organizations) Act.

Solicitation Of Violation Of Oath By Public Officer.

Conspiracy To Commit False Statements and Writings.

Conspiracy To Commit Forgery in the First Degree

Kneel
Kneel
August 15, 2023 10:01 am

“…a man who wears no pants should not be commenting on these matters.”

Donald Duck doesn’t wear pants and so has nowhere to keep his wallet. How does he pay for things?
They put it on his bill.

boom-tish.

Roger
Roger
August 15, 2023 10:01 am

Algeria has banned the movie Barbie, which had been showing at some cinemas in the country for several weeks.

An official source on Monday said the film “promotes homosexuality and other Western deviances” and that it “does not comply with Algeria’s religious and cultural beliefs”.

Fair enough.

In another culture clash, the French would like to ban Algerians.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 15, 2023 10:05 am

Not sure I would want to be hanging my hat on Christian Porters sexual activities in the late 80s or early 90s (or any time come to think of it). That said, he did not deserve the treatment he got – by his own party, the Liars or the media (read ALPBC SA coven).

Robert Sewell
August 15, 2023 10:06 am

Tom:

The Officeworks guy knew immediately what to do: don’t stuff around, just reset the laptop, which would get rid of its malware worms.

What’s involved in ‘resetting’ the laptop? Do you lose any of your saved files?

Cassie of Sydney
August 15, 2023 10:07 am

“H B Bear
Aug 15, 2023 10:05 AM”

You’ve missed my point.

Kneel
Kneel
August 15, 2023 10:10 am

“Get back to me when you have enough actual hard evidence implicating Joe in a specific crime. So far it’s all hearsay, dodgy hacked stuff and table pounding.”

As Dan Bongino said on twitter:
“The democrats are correct:
Outside of the bank records, the suspicious activity reports, the wire transfers, the Privat bank transactions, the LLCs, the texts, the emails, the WhatsApp messages, the photos of Joe with Hunter’s business partners, the voicemails to his son, the two business partners saying Joe is the “brand,” the “big guy,” and “the chairman,” the two whistleblowers testimony, the recorded phone calls between Biden and Poroshenko, the video of Joe Biden bragging about firing the Ukrainian prosecutor, and Hunter’s statements that he’s giving his dad half his income, there is NO evidence of Joe Biden being involved.
Good call guys.”

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 15, 2023 10:11 am

My definition of a house as a tax preferred geared savings plan that keeps the rain off may need work. Rain has slowed and we move into the clean up and recovery phase.

Roger
Roger
August 15, 2023 10:12 am

Cassie,

“Since then, thanks to militant feminism, we’ve seen the unravelling and collapse of religion across the West…”

I’d argue that militant feminism is a consequence of the loss of religion, not a cause of it.

Cassie of Sydney
August 15, 2023 10:13 am

“I’d argue that militant feminism is a consequence of the loss of religion, not a cause of it.”

I disagree.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 15, 2023 10:14 am

Our grandparent’s generation usually only had one sexual partner in their lives…

There was a clash, in a certain town, several years ago, between a young lady – five children, by four fathers, and a recently widowed matron, who confessed that she had only ever slept with one man in her life, her late husband.

“I’ll bet I’ve had a lot more fun then you ever have.” said the young lady

“Huh! At least I know who the father of my children is!”

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 15, 2023 10:16 am

People have been screwing up and getting screwed over by sex since the dawn of time. It is part of the human condition. Enter at your own peril.

Tom
Tom
August 15, 2023 10:20 am

What’s involved in ‘resetting’ the laptop? Do you lose any of your saved files?

Cassie of Sydney
August 15, 2023 10:23 am

People have been screwing up and getting screwed over by sex since the dawn of time. It is part of the human condition. Enter at your own peril.”

Yes, which is why religions have struct rules about when and where to have sex. I suspect that those religious pillars, such as not having sex until marriage, usually protected both men and women.

In the case of Alex Matters, ““Months later, when the pair went for a walk, the woman asked Mr Matters to have no-strings-attached sex that night. Three days later, she reported him.”

There is NO such thing as “no-strings attached sex”, and Alex Matters, a young man at the beginning of his professional career, has found that out the hard way.

Miltonf
Miltonf
August 15, 2023 10:24 am

As illustrated in play misty for me.

Tom
Tom
August 15, 2023 10:24 am

What’s involved in ‘resetting’ the laptop? Do you lose any of your saved files?

No, Robert. I still have all the files I wanted to keep.

In my opinion, the only real problem in changing computer stuff is forgetting passwords — the curse of the modern world.

Miltonf
Miltonf
August 15, 2023 10:25 am

It’s like a month to a flame sometimes

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 15, 2023 10:25 am

Tom I’ve never had a computer better than a PC 15 yo running XP. I had no problems with security or any form of malware. It ran as fast as they do today as todays software are full of crap and even though the processor goes faster it takes longer to go through all the rubbish. I had the hard drive divided into 3 different drives. The only problem I had was the hard drive crashed literally. My backup regime was nothing short of pathetic. I lost years of drawings and info. Now I backup each drawing series straight to individual USB.

Miltonf
Miltonf
August 15, 2023 10:25 am

Moth

m0nty
m0nty
August 15, 2023 10:27 am

As Dan Bongino said on twitter:

As I said, a bunch of hearsay and table pounding.

If there was a case against Joe there, indictments would have flowed long ago.

Dot
Dot
August 15, 2023 10:32 am

monty

How is Trump “indicted” by the Grand Jury process, before the Grand Jury even concludes listening to evidence?

Oopsie daisy!

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 15, 2023 10:35 am

Passwords are a problem. I got an email saying some app was abandoning two factor authentication for Google Authentication, whatever that is. Part of the problem is as soon as a good 3rd party app gets popular enough it is bought by one of the tech giants and made proprietary with inbuilt advertising.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
August 15, 2023 10:39 am

Just like there’s no evidence of Biden being a corrupt POS the same can be said about mutley’s state of mind. Except every day is proved different.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 15, 2023 10:40 am

Yes, which is why religions have struct rules about when and where to have sex. I suspect that those religious pillars, such as not having sex until marriage, usually protected both men and women.

Granted. Hence the Adam and Eve thing. People don’t like being told what to do, especially by others. Roman Catholic Church (amongst others) heal thyself.

Roger
Roger
August 15, 2023 10:41 am

“I’d argue that militant feminism is a consequence of the loss of religion, not a cause of it.”

I disagree.

The loss of religion leaves the two sexes unmoored and adrift on the sea of modernity, where they become competitors rather than complementary partners.

Let’s go back to the beginning.

Read Genesis 3 carefully.

What happens there in regard to the order of creation?

cohenite
August 15, 2023 10:41 am

@MikeSington

Criminal charges against Trump accidentally published on the Fulton County, Georgia court website, then quickly taken down. The charges include:

The call was recorded by both Trump and the RINOs he rang. Just like his call to Ukraine which got him impeached. Being dickless you are incapable of understanding the simple difference between laws and the left’s ignoring those laws and using process to ruin and convict.

With the slimebag biden it is the antithesis of Trump. With Trump the demorats have invented and twisted facts and laws to charge him; with biden they ignore the same laws and facts to not charge the grub.

Now go and look after the milko’s kiddies.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 15, 2023 10:41 am

Here you go Darth Monty.

Clay Travis @ClayTravis

Per @reuters Fulton County, Georgia posted the Trump felony charges before the grand jury may have officially returned the indictments. Just shows you what a banana republic we are living in right now.

3:52 AM · Aug 15, 2023

Funny how all the charges were already formulated and written up just so nice when the Grand Jury which was supposed to produce them hadn’t like actually met yet. Weird huh? Maybe they have a time machine they got off all those aliens though.

Cassie of Sydney
August 15, 2023 10:49 am

What is Genesis 3?

I understand what Bereshit is, which is the Hebrew for Genesis.

m0nty
m0nty
August 15, 2023 10:51 am

The grand jury is reportedly voting now. Fani sped up the process after Trump’s open witness tampering yesterday.

Rainy night in Georgia, it’s gonna be raining indictments soon.

Vicki
Vicki
August 15, 2023 10:52 am

Our grandparent’s generation usually only had one sexual partner in their lives….ONE, unless there was a bereavement or more rarely, divorce. I am pretty sure that that all of my four grandparents were virgins when they married in the mid and late 1930s (my mother’s mother was eighteen). I think we need to instruct our young that sex is sacred, it belongs in marriage, and that young men and women shouldn’t be going to nightclubs, parties, or worse….online, to pick up sexual partners that not only don’t provide them with any long-term intimacy and satisfaction, but also adds to their unhappiness, their loneliness and makes them vulnerable, very vulnerable to false accusations.

As usual, I agree with pretty much all Cassie has said in this post.

It grieves me to know that my grandchildren practice an entirely different set of values. We are faced with this every time our grandchildren bring their current beaus to the farm & luggage is taken to bedrooms. And these are kids in their late teens (although the boy has now turned 20).

It pains me to tell you that we “go with the flow”. This is primarily because we have a fractured relationship with our only child and the grandchildren are of paramount importance to us.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 15, 2023 10:55 am

mUnty goes off half cocked (pun intended this time) again.

Rosie
Rosie
August 15, 2023 10:55 am

Let’s not pretend though that some men don’t predate young women coercively.
There’s a reason the expression ‘toolies’ was coined.
If you aggressively pursue no strings sex, don’t be surprised at angry next morning regrets.
I’m more than happy to see everyone behaving more respectfully, more reasonably.

Cassie of Sydney
August 15, 2023 10:57 am

“Let’s not pretend though that some men don’t predate young women coercively.”

I agree Rosie.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 15, 2023 10:58 am

Haha, Fox execs have been sprung.

Fox Corporation Execs Are Dumping Money Into A Democrat’s Reelection Campaign (14 Aug)

Fox Corporation executives have poured money into Democratic West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin’s reelection campaign, Federal Election Commission (FEC) records show.

They’re giving donations to twofaced Mr Manchin, the most detested man in West Virginia? Whoa we ain’t in Kansas anymore Toto, or at least Fox isn’t.

Newscorp has gone over to the dark side rather enthusiastically in the last couple years. Won’t help them, they’ll just end up with no viewers and no readers.

Roger
Roger
August 15, 2023 10:58 am

I understand what Bereshit is, which is the Hebrew for Genesis.

Oh…OK.

In my Hebrew OT the chapters are numbered in the familiar way.

The account of the temptation of Eve.

Here’s a good English translation.

Rosie
Rosie
August 15, 2023 10:59 am

My adult children have always known the rules at mum’s.
Not even long term relationships get a pass.
Married couples welcome.
(I don’t bring home strays either. )

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 15, 2023 11:00 am

Rainy night in Georgia, it’s gonna be raining indictments soon.

Raining bullshit more like.

We should ask nice Mr Mueller how he could’ve missed all this stuff despite hordes of lawyers and unlimited money. I wonder if he likes ham sandwiches? Probably not since the Dems keep on indicting them.

Johnny Rotten
August 15, 2023 11:02 am

If there was a case against Joe there, indictments would have flowed long ago.

Not when Sleepy Joe has the DoJ, the FBI, the CIA and all of the others in his back pocket. The Deep State is running the joint anyway.

MontyPox Virus, you have blinkers on and have NFI.

Roger
Roger
August 15, 2023 11:03 am

Let’s not pretend though that some men don’t predate young women coercively.

The “sexual revolution” was to the advantage of the predatory male.

Alamak!
August 15, 2023 11:04 am

Tom I’ve never had a computer better than a PC 15 yo running XP.

The current windows software is a massive POS built on the same core as XP but with lots of extra crap added in. No surprise that current windows, infested with ad-ware and MS spy-ware, runs like a very slow, old dog.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 15, 2023 11:05 am

m0nty
Aug 15, 2023 10:27 AM
As Dan Bongino said on twitter:

As I said, a bunch of hearsay and table pounding.

If there was a case against Joe there, indictments would have flowed long ago.

JC

I asked yesterday if the fat fascist fool really is as stupid as his comments indicate. This comment proves the absolute correctness of your response. He really is that stupid, and is completely ignorant of modern US politics.

LOL is inadequate, but he is holding his breath for Georgiaween, aaannnny daaaay now, the walls are closing in!

Robert Sewell
August 15, 2023 11:05 am

I just looked up the picture at the top – https://www.tate.org.uk/art/artworks/wright-an-iron-forge-t06670 – the detail must have taken a lot of time. But one of the things I noticed later was the presence of the children, from a baby to a toddler, through to an adolescent? girl.
No safety standards mandated there, just common sense and necessity.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 15, 2023 11:07 am

Cassie of Sydney

Aug 15, 2023 10:49 AM

What is Genesis 3?

I understand what Bereshit is,

Ah, yes.
The very first rhetorical question in the Old Testament.

Cassie of Sydney
August 15, 2023 11:08 am

“The account of the temptation of Eve.

Here’s a good English translation.”

Jewish interpretations are somewhat different. I don’t understand the concept that it was the “temptation of Eve”, rabbinic interpretations state that it was both Adam and Eve who were tempted. Some rabbinic interpretations argue that Hashem (God) wanted Adam and Eve to eat the fruit. From eating that fruit came our free will.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 15, 2023 11:09 am

Weird how the random algorithm just happened to assign this judge to Trump’s case. It’s almost like Democrats know how to make computers produce the results they want.

With news about Judge Chutkan’s anti-Trump animus, a 2021 article is going viral (14 Aug)

With more information emerging daily about Judge Tanya Chutkan’s open hostility to Donald Trump as she presides over the legally suspect case that Jack Smith filed against him, a 2021 article describing Chutkan’s conduct and statements about the January 6 defendants has suddenly gone viral. The woman is unprincipled and partisan to the point of delusion. She has no business presiding over Donald Trump’s case or even sitting on the federal bench.

Yesterday, news emerged about Chutkan’s openly stated belief that Donald Trump ought to be behind bars, something that, with nothing more, means she should be taken off of Trump’s case because she is incapable of the kind of integrity and impartiality required of federal judges. She’s a hanging judge and not bothering to hide it.

The inestimable Techno Fog has also revealed how Chutkan has treated Trump differently—and way more harshly—than other defendants in her courtroom. Her blatantly unfair conduct arose in the context of the prosecution’s request for a protective order that would effectively silence Trump during the primary season.

How odd that nice Mr Smith somehow found the most hostile judge in the entire US to put his fake charges before? Maybe he should feature in the next Matrix movie, given his obvious ability with computers.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 15, 2023 11:09 am

Roger

Aug 15, 2023 11:03 AM

Let’s not pretend though that some men don’t predate young women coercively.

The “sexual revolution” was to the advantage of the predatory male.

Until it wasn’t.

Cassie of Sydney
August 15, 2023 11:09 am

“My adult children have always known the rules at mum’s.
Not even long term relationships get a pass.
Married couples welcome.”

Yep, my mother is the same.

local oaf
August 15, 2023 11:12 am

What’s involved in ‘resetting’ the laptop? Do you lose any of your saved files?

I think “resetting” is what was called up until W10, re-formatting.

It means wiping and re-installing Windows; this previously had to be done with the original installation discs and meant that possibly years of security updates then had to be downloaded. I remember it taking all day!

Windows 10/11 contains the files necessary to re-install the operating system fully up to date security wise. All your files are preserved but installed apps are lost and have to be done again. Couple of hours, can be done by home user.

Don’t make the mistake I made and assume that we use the British keyboard layout.
The Brits have the @ key somewhere else – we use the US layout.

Boambee John
Boambee John
August 15, 2023 11:12 am

Johnny Rotten

The fat fascist fool doesn’t have blinkers, he sees but ignores anything the least bit detrimental to that fascist left wherever he sees it, because he is a devoted fascist.

lotocoti
lotocoti
August 15, 2023 11:12 am

mØnty probably thinks Chuck Rhoades is the good guy.

Roger
Roger
August 15, 2023 11:13 am

Cassie, I suggest you just read the text.

It’s an accurate translation of the Hebrew.

Roger
Roger
August 15, 2023 11:14 am

Until it wasn’t.

Quite…revolutions tend to turn sour.

Johnny Rotten
August 15, 2023 11:15 am

Aerodynamically, the bumble bee shouldn’t be able to fly, but the bumble bee doesn’t know it so it goes on flying anyway.

– Mary Kay Ash

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 15, 2023 11:17 am

Religion has got pretty good mileage out of original sin. Waning a bit recently.

Cassie of Sydney
August 15, 2023 11:18 am

Do you know Hebrew, Roger?

Cassie of Sydney
August 15, 2023 11:19 am

Except the religions of Judaism and Islam don’t believe in original sin.

Original sin is solely a Christian concept.

H B Bear
H B Bear
August 15, 2023 11:20 am

Couple of hours, can be done by home user.

Fair dinkum. I’m struggling to think of a less thankless task. Whatever some nerd charges – it’s worth it.

Roger
Roger
August 15, 2023 11:26 am

Meanwhile, speaking of covenants (cryptic clue), I posted this on the makarrata/treaty thread (slightly expanded):

A treaty is a binding agreement recognised in international law that imposes obligations on all the signatories.

In light of that, and for argument’s sake (for I regard these treaties as a very bad idea), if we’re going to have treaties thrust upon us:

What obligations should be imposed upon the indigenous signatories?

And what penalties should be applied for failing to meet them?

For a start, I suggest, we could have benchmarks set for all aboriginal welfare programs so that their performance can be evaluated after a period of time.

Failure to meet the targets set could result in the persons responsible for the program not receiving further funding in for any other projects.

If this process is supposed to “close the gap”, the people responsible should have some skin in the game.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 15, 2023 11:26 am

Problem:

Hero Michigan State Police Officer Confirms that GBI Strategies Is Operating in Numerous States – Michigan AG Nessel Is Forced to Admit the Group Was Caught with 8,000-10,000 Fraudulent Registrations (14 Aug)

So there was a central organization arranging fake ballots in the 2020 election, which we’re caught doing so in Michigan, and which are known to operate in numerous states? That sounds serious! I wonder what the solution is?

Wait, What Did Michigan Just Hand Over to the FBI? (14 Aug)

It would appear as if the FBI will be taking over a Michigan investigation into 2020 voter fraud in which thousands of fraudulent voter registrations were discovered

Would that be the same FBI which has been investigating Hunter Biden for about five years? Golly they’re quick. I wonder how long this investigation will take?

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 15, 2023 11:27 am

We are faced with this every time our grandchildren bring their current beaus to the farm & luggage is taken to bedrooms.

What was the Henry Fonda line for “On Golden Pond?”

Presented with that situation, he asked the beau “Would you like to share the same room, in which I first violated her grandmother?”

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
August 15, 2023 11:29 am

But one of the things I noticed later was the presence of the children, from a baby to a toddler, through to an adolescent? girl.
No safety standards mandated there, just common sense and necessity.

It’s a great picture – although possibly slightly imagined.
The guy with the tongs is hammering out a pig iron bloom as part of the 18th century steel-making process. Each clack of the trip hammer would have ejected a shower of slag sparks that would have burned/blinded the nearby audience.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 15, 2023 11:35 am

A lefty is mystified!

The mystery of Vivek Ramaswamy’s rapid rise in the polls
Politico, by Steven Shepard (14 Aug)

Weird how a brown man who isn’t a Christian is going well in the horribly racist Republican primary polls. I wonder if it has anything to do with the policies he espouses?

Annie
Annie
August 15, 2023 11:38 am

Cassie @ 09:55:

Great comment Cassie.
I am a Christian (Anglican) who is increasingly distressed by the sayings and doings of various church ‘leaders’, notably the Abp of Canterbury and the Pope.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
August 15, 2023 11:42 am

Yes, which is why religions have struct rules about when and where to have sex

Going to make a big call here.

I assume dogs are out.

Dot
Dot
August 15, 2023 11:45 am

Jewish interpretations are somewhat different. I don’t understand the concept that it was the “temptation of Eve”, rabbinic interpretations state that it was both Adam and Eve who were tempted. Some rabbinic interpretations argue that Hashem (God) wanted Adam and Eve to eat the fruit. From eating that fruit came our free will.

Does Na’chash mean the serpent or the shining man? It is interesting given the eschatology of a beautiful and beguiling Satan (at least in Christianity).

Lysander
Lysander
August 15, 2023 11:47 am

increasingly distressed by the sayings and doings of various church ‘leaders’, notably the Abp of Canterbury and the Pope.

Well, as a practising Catholic, I can’t say I’m the biggest fan of Papa Frank, but if you read what he said in media reports and then go to Vatican.va to read what he really said, there’s often quite a difference. I’ve been quite impressed with his fight against the German hierarchy who have been pushing for a schism as they want to teach fluidity and a whole bunch of other crap (including that the “German Catholic Church’s*” teachings be changed and theology to be determined by a Lay Council…

*There is no such thing as the “German Catholic Church” (nor “Australian Catholic Church”). There is only the Roman Catholic Church, or “universal church.”

calli
calli
August 15, 2023 11:48 am

Both Cassie and Roger are right. The temptation included both of them.

and she also gave some to her husband who was with her

He stood by, knowing it was forbidden. Also, as the first and foremost, he had responsibility. Even if it was simply to refuse. On that one decision all heaven and earth stood on tiptoe, waiting.

Not sure about the idea of “free will” appearing upon the moment of disobedience. The risk the Almighty took was always there from the moment the garden sprang into being, which also tells us something about His character – the preference towards benign rulership than dictatorship.

John H.
John H.
August 15, 2023 11:50 am

Alamak!
Aug 15, 2023 11:04 AM
Tom I’ve never had a computer better than a PC 15 yo running XP.

The current windows software is a massive POS built on the same core as XP but with lots of extra crap added in. No surprise that current windows, infested with ad-ware and MS spy-ware, runs like a very slow, old dog.

I currently have 4 programs loaded and resource usage goes from 1-7% with 10 web pages loaded but it usually is <3%. With no programs loaded it is 1%. W11 loads in seconds. I don't see ad-ware, the spy ware is scaremongering because anyone who uses a phone or computer is already out there in the wild. Register with a website and you're being monitored.

The only problem I have is that my SSDs are not being automatically trimmed. That probably is a motherboard issue not a W11 issue.

BTW a reset can be done to keep all the existing programs. If there is a malware problem though those can be embedded in a program. It is a good idea to create a USB recovery drive at regular intervals. Very useful when things go astray.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
August 15, 2023 11:50 am

I understand what Bereshit is, which is the Hebrew for Genesis.

Bereshit?

For a moment I thought you were being gratuitously insulting to our pants-liberated-ursine Cat.

Lysander
Lysander
August 15, 2023 11:54 am

The account of the temptation of Eve.

Roger, a good friend of mine is a theologian and former Seminarian – don’t worry, he’s a very conservative theologian of the Ratzinger school. He told me that God created the world by starting with the least important things first and most important things last. He says Catholic (activist) women can bleat about becoming priests etc.. but that doesn’t change the fact that we call the Church “our mother” (female) and the last of God’s creation, his pinnacle, was a woman (yes from a man, but still a woman).

/random thought of the day.. 🙂

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
August 15, 2023 11:54 am

What obligations should be imposed upon the indigenous signatories?
(leaving aside the fact that a “treaty” with a thoroughly qvisling, conquered and deserted tribe- within a nation to boot- is bogus)
Kirk Zappup* would do well to say-
“Australia, the nation, will not tolerate anything other than Western, Christian, Enlightenment rights to bodily autonomy, safety, infancy, sexuality, and property. Any “treaty” or “voice” which might expect us to look the other way during the continuation of shocking abuse, neglect, assault and theft against human beings on our land will be rejected as immoral and unconstitutional.
(*wholly imaginary leader of an underdog opposition)

calli
calli
August 15, 2023 11:54 am

“Shining one” or “Lightbearer”. He must have been very glamorous indeed. Adam’s disobedience sealed his fate.

On the free will issue, the angels also had free will to rebel. Perhaps it’s a feature of eternal creatures.

Tom
Tom
August 15, 2023 11:55 am

Whatever some nerd charges – it’s worth it.

And there, Humphrey, you have the sociopathic HTML coder’s business plan: invent a computer code that normal people don’t understand and aren’t interested in, then make it the dominant command language of modern computers.

Bingo! Otherwise unemployable nerds have a lifelong income stream fixing problems the nerds create.

Along the way, the nerds translate their newfound wealth into political power by inventing social media monopolies they manage to immunise from competition law and turn them into global censorship regimes that ban ordinary people from expressing opinions that differ from the fascist left’s.

Roger
Roger
August 15, 2023 11:58 am

test

Roger
Roger
August 15, 2023 11:59 am

Mmm….a longish comment just disappeared into the ether.

Roger
Roger
August 15, 2023 12:02 pm

Short version thereof in parts:

I studied Hebrew for two years as an avocational pursuit.

I’m a bit rusty, but the first chapters of the first book of Moses are foundational; once you’ve studied it, it stays with you.

Roger
Roger
August 15, 2023 12:05 pm

God creates Adam as his vice-regent on earth with Eve as his helper. (As the old saying goes, Eve wasn’t made from Adam’s head to lord it over him, nor from his feet to be subservient to him, but from his side, to be his complementary partner.)

Roger
Roger
August 15, 2023 12:06 pm

Together, under the man’s benign leadership, they are to tend the garden and maintain the order which God has created, including obeying his command regarding the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (for our purposes we don’t need to get caught up in what that tree signifies) and exercising dominion over the other creatures which the man has previously named (in Hebrew culture, as in most ANE cultures, naming indicates authority).

Roger
Roger
August 15, 2023 12:06 pm

In the third chapter of Genesis/Bereshith, we see that order precisely reversed. A creature entices the man’s female helpmeet to disobey God’s command, in the course of which the man evades his responsibility to act as God’s vice-regent and maintain the divine order.

Kneel
Kneel
August 15, 2023 12:07 pm

“Twin revolutions? They were twin takeovers not involving anything resembling the scientific method. Newton’s formulae were okay approximations for the inner solar system.”

Einstein followed the scientific method – he challenged the unstated and untested assumption that time was the same for all observers everywhere. We know this isn’t true – atomic clocks in orbit run at a different rate to those on Earth’s surface. Indeed, without correcting for this, satellite navigation as we know it (GPS, Glasnos etc) can’t work.
Nor does Newton correctly predict Mercury’s orbit, as was well known before GR & SR were published. It’s true that Newton is good enough to put a man on the moon and to put the Voyager space craft on track past Jupiter, but for extreme circumstances , or where extreme accuracy is required (like satnav) it fails, while SR works.

As to QM, again your smart phone shows the reality – the flash memory it uses requires quantum tunneling of electrons to work. If this was not a fact, it would wear out much faster than it does. If tunneling was not happening, the single atomic layer of SiO2 insulating and isolating the gate electrode would be destroyed by the electrons moving through it after at most a dozen times – instead, they last several orders of magnitude longer (100k times is not unusual). Such “tunneling” is based on electrons having a “waveform” (the wave/particle duality), and so they can “appear” to move through a “barrier” the classical theory says they can’t cross.

For both GR/SR and QM, when they were proposed they explained existing observations that were inconsistent with previous theories, and made predictions that took decades to be observable (gravitational lensing and electron traps, for example – both are “impossible” in classical theory, but are observational facts, only shown by technology not available at the time the theories were proposed).

To suggest that these theories are “unscientific” is then, clearly ridiculous and fallacious. It’s certainly true that neither are a complete description of how the universe works, any more than Newtons laws are, or the laws of thermodynamics. We certainly need that “unified” theory to figure out how these disparate and somewhat incompatible theories (one of the very big, one of the very small) fit into the greater reality we observe, but that is also true of “classical” theories as well – classical theory says that the world (including humans) is simply mechanistic and deterministic, meaning we have no “free will”, that our destiny (or fate, if you prefer) is unalterable, both as individuals and as a species, and that God has no role to play, other than perhaps to create the “great machine” and start it running. And while Einstein famously said of QM “God doesn’t play dice with the universe”, he later came to accept that QM is a valuable tool in understanding how things work – oddly enough, the man who created arguably one of the most significant theories of the 20th C, and who faced much opposition to it at first, was initially part of the opposition to another such “game changer” theory.

Lastly, I would point out that such theories are valuable because they are neither obvious nor intuitively true, yet are born out by the observations of their predictions, and are at least “settled” enough to be used for engineering purposes – you know, designing things that actually work in the real world.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
August 15, 2023 12:08 pm

Rape case ‘atrocity’ shocks France: Nation horrified as woman, 29, suffers sickening injuries after being sexually assaulted and tortured with a broomstick by 18-year-old

Woman, 29, was raped several times by attacker Oumar N., prosecutors say
Oumar broke into victim’s home in Cherbourg where he tortured her with broom

Bring back Madame La Guillotine. “Sneezing in the basket” will teach young Oumar a few manners.

cohenite
August 15, 2023 12:09 pm

Some great short clips here: snakes eating frogs, frogs eating snakes, snakes attacking cats; fat trannies and a masterclass in what make up can do.

https://choiceclips.whatfinger.com/2023/08/14/crazy-clips-never-give-up-frog-survives-ever-see-a-frog-eating-a-snake-that-attacks-a-cat/

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
August 15, 2023 12:10 pm

I’m confused. I thought it was only last week that Wong and Albo were celebrating the reduction in Chinese barley tariffs. And they were hoping nice Mr Xi would now reduce the tariff on Australian wine.

Government to impose ‘green tariffs’ on cement and steel imports from China (Sky News, 15 Aug)

The Climate Change Minister will reveal today that the government could impose “green tariffs” on cement and steel imported from countries such as China, India, and Vietnam.

Ah but these are good tariffs, not bad tariffs like the one on barley. Saving the planet is so important, after all. I wonder how China will react?

calli
calli
August 15, 2023 12:11 pm

Roger, I’ve always found it interesting that the eyes of both of them were “opened” immediately upon Adam eating the fruit.

There may be an explanation offered by Hebrew grammar (and the way tense works), but it is suggestive.

Roger
Roger
August 15, 2023 12:12 pm

Thereupon the two are cast out of the garden into a world where things are quite different, including- most notably in the context of the discussion of militant feminism – a struggle between the sexes.

Roger
Roger
August 15, 2023 12:13 pm

In as much, then, as feminism rejects the leadership role of the man in the family, it rejects divine instruction and order. Hence my stating that militant feminism is a consequence of the loss of religion, not a cause of it.

For a sociological perspective on what’s behind the loss of religion, see the secularisation thesis in its various iterations since the 19th C.

Roger
Roger
August 15, 2023 12:16 pm

Dover, I had to beat my way through many internal server errors to get that up.

Robert Sewell
August 15, 2023 12:25 pm

Calli:

“Shining one” or “Lightbearer”.

Wasn’t that the description given to Obama initially?

Robert Sewell
August 15, 2023 12:27 pm

Tom

Aug 15, 2023 11:55 AM
And there, Humphrey, you have the sociopathic HTML coder’s business plan: invent a computer code that normal people don’t understand and aren’t interested in, then make it the dominant command language of modern computers.
Bingo! Otherwise unemployable nerds have a lifelong income stream fixing problems the nerds create.
Along the way, the nerds translate their newfound wealth into political power by inventing social media monopolies they manage to immunise from competition law and turn them into global censorship regimes that ban ordinary people from expressing opinions that differ from the fascist left’s.

Tom, that’s almost believable.

Willem Pasterkamp
Willem Pasterkamp
August 15, 2023 12:28 pm

Bird argued against relativity…by noting that physical variables were relative to each other.

Right but the idiots doctrine is a theology of velocity absolutism based around c. Calling the theory relativity is therefore a carnival shyster trick. One which you fell for.

But I trust your native intelligence so I am confident, that had you been there at the time you would have realised it was idiocy right away.

Roger
Roger
August 15, 2023 12:30 pm

Roger, I’ve always found it interesting that the eyes of both of them were “opened” immediately upon Adam eating the fruit.

There may be an explanation offered by Hebrew grammar (and the way tense works), but it is suggestive.

You’re going to make me parse it, aren’t you? 😀

It’s a verb form that is typical in Hebrew narrative and expresses passive or reflexive action. So, the action of eating the fruit opened their eyes immediately, but – moving on to the second clause, which is pregnant with meaning – not in the way the serpent promised.

Roger
Roger
August 15, 2023 12:31 pm

And after all that I require some sustenance.

Miltonf
Miltonf
August 15, 2023 12:35 pm

The New English Bible rendition of the Old Testament was translated from Kitttel’s Biblia Hebraica iirc.

calli
calli
August 15, 2023 12:37 pm

Lol, Roger. You might need Tom’s Officeworks techie for cache clearing and scrubbing.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 15, 2023 12:38 pm

Roger

Aug 15, 2023 12:16 PM

Dover, I had to beat my way through many internal server errors to get that up.

I got a few yesterday over an entirely innocuous post.

shatterzzz
August 15, 2023 12:39 pm

Out biking & popped into the local Vinnies (Mt Pritchard) and discovered all paperbacks now $2 each ..
Picked up copies of BARBAROSSA by Alan Clark .. 500p on the Russia – German conflict
& DISASTER AT D DAY by Peter Tsouras .. alternate history .. the Germans defeat the Allies June 1944 …..
A worthwhile dayz riding .. LOL!

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 15, 2023 12:43 pm

Roger

Aug 15, 2023 12:31 PM

And after all that I require some sustenance.

Just had a couple of cheater’s Peking Duck wraps.
Aldi pan fried roti.
Luv-a-Duck duck breast sliced.
Batons of capsicum, cucumber and carrot.
Thick Hoi-sin sauce.
Wrap and munch.
Mmmmm.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
August 15, 2023 12:44 pm

Note to self.
Debating Roger over theology is an away game for me.

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