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Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 5, 2023 2:37 pm

Thorpe declares referendum ‘act of genocide’
Rosie Lewis
Rosie Lewis

Outspoken independent senator Lidia Thorpe has declared the voice referendum is an “act of genocide” against Indigenous people and says the police have failed to protect her.

“It (the referendum) has caused nothing but pain and misery for my people in this country,” she said in an emotional statement with expletives.

“The referendum is an act of genocide against my people. And the Prime Minister knows exactly what he’s doing.”

Thorpe’s fuller statement:

It has caused nothing but pain and misery for my people in this country. The referendum is an act of .genocide against my people. And the Prime Minister knows exactly what he’s doing. He wants the fvcking fascists to come out and get me. That is what he wants.

Because this violent force that he has (been) sent to protect me, can’t even protect me. Refuse to protect a black sovereign woman, because the police are part of the problem in this country.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 5, 2023 2:41 pm

More Frontline:

Domenica: [picking a Logie award up off the office table] Hey, I thought we didn’t win a Logie?
Marty: Oh, Christ! [remembering] I nicked it off the 4 Corners table. Ollie’s gonna kill me.
Brooke: Marty!
Marty: Negus made me do it!

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 5, 2023 2:44 pm

And:

Prowsie: Sunday Forum’s got three problems. One, it was run by a soft-cock. Two, it’s presented by a soft-cock. Three, it features soft-cock and while we’re at it four – the opening titles. I mean what’s that all that about? Chess pieces? I mean chess is a game-
Steve Barrett: For soft-cocks.
Prowsie: Right, remove the soft-cock element.

Mike: [talking to himself] Now what did I come up here for? [looks at video tapes in hand] What are these?…let me retrace my steps…I was down at the canteen [to Prowsie] stay there cos….now I walk back in – Oh yeah, these are for you [Puts video tapes on Prowsie’s table and leaves the office]
Prowsie: Soft-cock.

Dot
Dot
October 5, 2023 2:46 pm

I’m outrageously outraged.

Two Esplendido Panatelas cost me $46.

A pack of five Havana Jewels was gonna be $126.

I remember when they were $20 for five.

I ain’t old.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 5, 2023 2:49 pm

Robert Sewell

Oct 5, 2023 1:56 PM

John H:

As the saying goes, “If you met one autist you’ve met one autist.” Did you manage the DSP issue and find a good clinic? IIRC I posted a link to one at a Sydney Uni.

I worked once with a bloke who was supposedly ‘on the spectrum’ long before the spectrum was even thought of.

How could you tell?
Did he batch cook his mashed potatoes a week in advance?

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 5, 2023 2:51 pm

Hey Cats, thinking of running a competition – with book prizes, inc postage – for the Referendum.

It would be for 1st, 2nd and 3rd for the closest competitor to the overall national vote, and the Yes/No numbers relating to decision of each of the states
2nd place: 2nd closest competitor
3rd place: 3rd closest competitor

Open on Friday this week, close Friday next week at midnight.

One vote per person, and once in and registered no changes. (In the case of a draw, the earliest vote wins)

Would that work do you think?

(Subject to the site owner’s ok of course)

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 5, 2023 2:53 pm

Dr F

And I’m 97.3% sure that Those Who Will Fall Silent, will still be audible.
Possibly in Space.

Wut?!?
Surely not.
I am counting on Mayor Trilby falling silent as promised, along with a bunch of redundant Welcome To Country practioners showing up at Centrelink bright and early (3:00 PM) on the 16th.

Crossie
Crossie
October 5, 2023 2:54 pm

They are bound to publish duplicated voter numbers (people crossed off the roll more than once).
So, let’s say Yes gets over the line narrowly, both nationally and in four states, and the number of duplicate voters exceeds the “majority”.
I think that would be grounds for a Court of Disputed Returns (HC) challenge.

Good luck with that. I see it having the same success and Trump objecting to his stolen election. Most voters all over the world have been disenfranchised, the same will happen here starting with the referendum and then every election after that. I can see why young men simply withdraw from society into computer games and pornography, they have been told often they don’t matter. Now it’s the turn for the rest of us.

shatterzzz
October 5, 2023 2:57 pm

Looks like Noel is going to have to pull a Plan B out of his Arfur Daly trilby on the 15th then.

Both Noel & Marcia, earlier in the piece, promised to “disappear” if NO getz up .. Shirley, a pair of such “proud” 251s would never go back on their word(s) .. would they?

and 15/10 + 65 thumbs ups for …… “Marcia Langton’s beautician”. BB, the image of an out of work wet plasterer comes to mind.

cohenite
October 5, 2023 3:00 pm

How could you tell?
Did he batch cook his mashed potatoes a week in advance?

Not only that, he didn’t eat them because they were cold.

shatterzzz
October 5, 2023 3:02 pm

Forgot to post this earlier … silly me ..!

TOON 4 – PSG 1 .. .Euro Champs League …….!

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 5, 2023 3:03 pm

Good luck with that. I see it having the same success and Trump objecting to his stolen election. 

Well, we did have a re-run of a WA Senate election on the basis that a disputed package of votes could have swung it.
Yes, yes, the re-run suited the Greens, but still, there is a precedent.
Look, I think it is hypothetical anyway.
I think the margin will be too great to engineer an overturn via duplicate voting. Even with our AEC defects, it is infinitely cleaner than the dog’s breakfast which is the US state-based electoral system. Our rolls are far more tightly managed.
That’s not to say a few won’t try it, but I don’t think they will succeed.

JC
JC
October 5, 2023 3:05 pm

dover0beach
Oct 5, 2023 2:54 PM

Jack Poso ??
@JackPosobiec
BREAKING: GoFundMe for girlfriend of far-left activist brutally murdered raises over $50,000 in 24 hours after she refused to give black suspect’s description to police

These people are spiritually dead.

Could there be more to the story? Was it a hit? Her reasoning sounds just too weird to be true.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 5, 2023 3:07 pm

dover0beach

Oct 5, 2023 2:54 PM

Jack Poso ??
@JackPosobiec
BREAKING: GoFundMe for girlfriend of far-left activist brutally murdered raises over $50,000 in 24 hours after she refused to give black suspect’s description to police

These people are spiritually dead

Strange.
She didn’t seem overtly distraught at her boyfriend lying mortally wounded on the footpath.
Another woman comes along and she just says something indistinct like “Keep him away”.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 5, 2023 3:07 pm

Holiday homes to be hit by Victoria’s land tax changes

Patrick Durkin and Gus McCubbing

Holiday homes across Victoria will be hit by the state government’s new $37 million-a-year vacancy tax, experts warn, despite assurances from Treasurer Tim Pallas they are exempt.

The property industry was left reeling by the new Allan government’s surprise plans to change the Windfall Gains Tax, Land Tax Act and expand the vacancy tax, revealed just two weeks after striking a housing partnership with the sector.

A bill is due to be introduced on Thursday to make the changes.

Mr Pallas revealed the expanded vacancy tax at a Property Council breakfast on Tuesday, blindsiding new Premier Jacinta Allan and Assistant Treasurer Danny Pearson.

Ms Allan’s office later scrambled to publish a media release and hold a news conference to explain the move, in a chaotic start to her week-old premiership. The media release repeats the claim that holiday homes are exempt and has been widely reported. Shadow Treasurer Brad Rowswell said “this is not the way to run policy”.

Mr Pallas said on Wednesday: “I made the considered view when I went to the Property Council yesterday – I probably created this firestorm of interest – because I wanted to look them in the eye in what would probably be a hostile environment and tell them there were material changes to the way the industry will be taxed.”

The vacancy tax currently applies only to houses in Melbourne’s inner and middle-ring suburbs that have been unoccupied for more than six months, but will expand to include the whole state from January 1, 2025.

Owners will be taxed an extra 1 per cent of the capital improved value of the land – or $5000 for every $500,000 – unless they can prove they lived at the property for at least four weeks of the year or rented it for at least half the year.

The expanded vacancy tax will be the third new tax on Victorian holiday home owners within a few months, following levies in the May budget as part of the COVID-19 repayment levy and last month’s new Airbnb tax as part of the government’s housing policy.

Owners caught by surprise

Despite his public assurances the vacancy tax would not hit holiday homes, Mr Pallas confirmed on Wednesday that the Vacant Residential Land Tax and its exemptions would be an extension of the current regime.

“The way that the tax operates will be unchanged,” he said. “It will effectively be the way that it’s taxed and applied for the 16 local government areas in metropolitan Melbourne, and it will apply right across the state, in no changed terms. It will be materially identical to the way that the tax is applied … but to the whole state.

“There will be no change in terms of who is liable for the tax, just the geographical area to which the tax applies.”

Mills Oakley tax partner Andrew Spalding warned an exemption did not apply to holiday homes held in family discretionary trusts – which he said was quite common – and would also hit anyone with two or more holiday homes.

“The extension of the VRLT announced by Tim Pallas (on Tuesday) is going to catch quite a few holiday home owners by surprise,” he said.

“Holding holiday homes in family discretionary trusts is done for legitimate commercial reasons. For example, individuals exposed to risk, like directors or lawyers and doctors, or for intergenerational family succession planning.

“Many holiday home owners are going to need to consider distributing their holiday homes out of their trusts to themselves. The only problem is that the distribution will trigger a capital gains tax liability and a win for the federal government.”

Tax expert Craig Whatman at Pitcher Partners said he hoped including holiday homes was an unintended consequence or mistake that the government could be talked out of.

“The regime was originally designed to target non-resident investors who had vacant apartments in Melbourne,” he said. “But this will hit many Melburnians who have holiday homes in regional Victoria.”

Property Council of Australia chief executive Mike Zorbas said the hidden tax grab was “a major trust burner”.

“Here’s a tip for state governments trying to reach ambitious housing goals in partnership. Don’t do a Victoria,” he said.

Real Estate Institute of Victoria CEO Quentin Kilian said he was “disgusted by the fact we’ve not been engaged”.

“They might have changed leaders, but the approach is the same – they start with the premise of punishing taxpayers,” he said.

The government said about 900 homes in Melbourne’s inner and middle rings were captured by the tax, and 600 to 700 were expected to be added statewide under the changes.

The tax experts said they believed the government has underestimated the number of homes.

About 3000 undeveloped properties in metropolitan Melbourne are also projected to be taxed as part of the expansion.

The tax on unimproved Melbourne land was expected to bring in an extra $31 million a year, while the broadened scope of vacant homes was projected to collect another $6 million. It now collects about $10 million a year, and another $4 million of exemptions were given out last financial year.

Mr Rowswell said “the first act of Victoria’s newly minted Minister for Economic Growth, Tim Pallas, is to announce new and increased taxes, without consultation or any explanation as to how this will help Victorians struggling to afford a home”.

The opposition’s planning spokesman, James Newbury, said that “within days of becoming Premier, Jacinta Allan has burnt the government’s relationship with the property industry”.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 5, 2023 3:07 pm

Only 65 shatterzz, I thought 66 at least.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 5, 2023 3:08 pm

Snap JC.
I just thought it looked very strange on the video, particularly her reaction afterwards.

Dot
Dot
October 5, 2023 3:09 pm

My prediction:

NO 58%
YES 42%

“All” States NO bar TAS (YES) and VIC (YES). ACT YES, NT NO.

Oh, and PAIN.

JC
JC
October 5, 2023 3:10 pm

All fair and reasonable points by Mark.

Mark R. Levin
@marklevinshow
Let’s cut to the chase

Gaetz is a POS demagogue who repeatedly lied during the House floor debate yesterday, and then, of course, simultaneously was fundraising and collecting email lists on behalf of the people. He insisted that the House failed to bring up 12 separate appropriations bills. The fact is they could not get them out of committee because Democrats wanted to spend a great deal more, which would have blown up the budget further, and conservatives opposed the bills. It had nothing to do with a refusal by McCarthy to oppose regular order. McCarthy refused to go along with a CR that essentially adopted the Senate omnibus spending agreed to, yet again, by McConnell and Schumer. Yet, Gaetz kept insisting otherwise. Gaetz said he’s sick and tired of deficit spending and pointed to the $33 trillion debt. I know of few conservatives who disagree. But what has he done about it? He didn’t go to the House floor, certainly not on a regular and sustained basis, and hammer away on the outrageous, massive spending for COVID funds, which were used for every imaginable purpose other than COVID and drove the debt through the roof. Gaetz demanded that the former speaker intervene in his ethics investigation and kill it, and despite text messages to the contrary, denied it. During his ramblings yesterday, Gaetz blamed House Republicans, who passed the most aggressive bill to secure the border from the ongoing invasion orchestrated by Biden and the Democrats, for not securing the border. And the worst, to me, is Gaetz working with the Marxists in the Democrat Party, who are literally destroying our country politically, culturally, and every other way, then denying it, while accusing the former speaker of being the Democrats’ speaker, trashing Jim Jordan and Jamie Comer’s investigations, accusing Chip Roy of being a RINO, and not uttering one word against Hakeem Jeffries, AOC, or the rest of the reprobates. At the same time, he was frantically fundraising off his anarchy, on behalf of the people and the republic, of course, positioning himself as the David taking on Goliath. Gaetz and the others wound up killing the greatest effort to slash domestic spending in our lifetimes (30%), worked out with the Senate conservatives who wanted to use the House bill as leverage against McConnell, and now the Democrats control it all. This had nothing to do with saving the country, regular order, the debt, etc. This was an unprincipled, personal, political attack led by a demagogue who repeatedly lies to conservatives and the public generally, and who is the favorite Republican of the Democrat Party and their media.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 5, 2023 3:10 pm

How Labor Prime Minister AlboSleezy Views Australian NO Voters

Great synopsis of newly Aboriginal Ray Martin’s ‘Dickheads ‘n’ Dinosaurs’ speech

the fact that Albosleazy didn’t call out Ray Martin for his disgusting rant demonstrates what an a**ehole Albosleazy really is. And to think that fool is PM; what an embarrassment for good Australians.

Dot
Dot
October 5, 2023 3:12 pm

Yes/no for each State?

I’ll have to bust my balls to crunch the numbers. That’s a hard ask.

Perplexed of Brisbane
Perplexed of Brisbane
October 5, 2023 3:12 pm

On the referendum voting front. The wife and I just went and cast our votes (in pen). There was no noticeable corflutes or signage. Quite a few NO campaigners handing out how to vote cards. Very few YES campaigners and I live in a red electorate.

The AEC staff were great. They were handing out pencils. They were also very clear in saying write only YES or NO.

I noticed a few others carrying pens. The level of trust in the community reflects the current state of play.

I hope that bodes well for he NO case.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 5, 2023 3:15 pm

Trooble at Mill for Jacinta Everywhere’s shiny new “Equalidy of Outcomes” gummint.
Firstly, the jilted wannabe deputy, Tim Pallas, drops the Residential Gouge Tax which nobody can explain.
Secondly, we announce this morning that revolving door bail for aspiring rappers is gone. Except the AG doesn’t agree.
What we got here is a bunch of kids who have been in a strict boarding school for nine years and Matron has died in an accident the day before muck-up day.
It is going to be anarchy with more score-settling than a country bowling club AGM.
(Sorry BB).

Salvatore, Iron Publican
October 5, 2023 3:15 pm

Did he batch cook his mashed potatoes a week in advance?

Huh? You don’t?
There’s someone who does not cook their mashed spuds a week in advance?
Doesn’t everybody?

Dot
Dot
October 5, 2023 3:16 pm

Mark Levin is controlled opposition, loud mouthed warmonger who makes a lot of noise but as policy writes some really weak beta cuck shit that belongs in the Bush I, post Ronnie pre Newt era.

Congress feels comfortable from a radio booth.

What would he do if Trump an actually got the gavel? Join The Young Turks?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 5, 2023 3:17 pm

EXCLUSIVE: Ray Martin’s foul-mouthed spray about how Australia will be tainted in the eyes of the world if No wins – as he’s told to apologise over insulting comments about ‘millions of Australians’

. Martin was asked to deliver a speech by PM
.Mr Albanese said comments were ‘powerful’

READ MORE: No voters ‘d**kheads and dinosaurs’

Ray Martin has been told to apologise to ‘millions of Australians’ who plan to vote No after he described them as ‘d***heads and dinosaurs’ in a speech the PM described as ‘very powerful’.

The TV icon came under fire from Opposition Leader Peter Dutton on Thursday as it can be revealed Martin said in the same speech that Australia will be tainted in the eyes of the world should it vote No.

Martin told the same Yes rally at Marrickville’s Factory Theatre, in Sydney’s inner west, ‘the way the world sees us really does matter – you can’t just say, “well, f*** them’.

Martin was personally invited by Prime Minister Anthony Albanese who praised the address as ‘very powerful’ the next day.

He told the crowd: ‘So, what am I doing here? The Prime Minister asked me. And you can’t say no to Albo, especially as he is the number one Souths man. He asked me to speak tonight for the first time in this Yes campaign.’

Pictures from the event show the PM sitting alongside the Channel Nine stalwart, shaking his hand and applauding throughout the evening.

Dot
Dot
October 5, 2023 3:18 pm

leverage against McConnell

JC

You are baiting us. This is gamma tier controlled opp. whining.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 5, 2023 3:19 pm

Salvatore, Iron Publican

Oct 5, 2023 3:15 PM

Did he batch cook his mashed potatoes a week in advance?

Huh? You don’t?
There’s someone who does not cook their mashed spuds a week in advance?
Doesn’t everybody?

Can someone outside Queensssland with a functioning palate please explain this to them.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
October 5, 2023 3:22 pm

I noticed a few others carrying pens. The level of trust in the community reflects the current state of play.

That’s okay as a display of mistrust but it ultimately makes no difference when early and postal ballots can be switched out of sight of public scrutineers.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 5, 2023 3:23 pm

Ray Martin launches extraordinary three-word attack on Voice to Parliament No voters

– and Anthony Albanese praised his ‘powerful’ speech: Watch video

Ray Martin says ‘d**kheads and dinosaurs’ will vote No

The speech was given in front of Prime Minister Anthony Albanese and was held in his electorate of Grayndler.

The next day, Mr Albanese described Martin’s address as ‘very powerful’.

Ray Martin said ‘This referendum is clearly not about dividing Australia. It’s about caring.’

One of two bodies that makes up the official No campaign, Fair Australia, took offence at Martin’s comments about ‘dinosaurs and d**kheads’.

A spokesperson told Daily Mail Australia Martin’s comments were another attack on decent Australians.

Daily Mail Australia has sought comment from the Prime Minister’s office about his view of Martin’s specific comments.

The PM also addressed the crowd at the event, describing the Voice proposal as ‘a handshake, a handout of friendship’.

‘Politics has sadly driven this campaign,’ he said.

‘No MP really thinks the Voice would advise the Reserve Bank on interest rates, but we’ve had those questions asked in parliament as if they’re legitimate – Australia deserves better.

‘This is an enormous opportunity for Australia.

‘No is what we’ve got now, there’s so much to gain and nothing to lose by voting Yes.’

Martin’s comments divided Australians when video of the speech surfaced. Some were inspired and vowed to stand with him and vote Yes on October 14.

Other, No-aligned voters fired up. ‘The details DO matter, which is why everyone is voting No,’ one social media user said.

‘This video has made me vote No,’ another claimed.

‘Having been told we’re ”racist” and ”stupid”, Australians voting No can now add ”d**khead” and ”dinosaur” to the list of insults spat at us by the Yes campaign.

‘The sneering elites from the Yes campaign are dead set on dividing Australians.

‘These elitists are addicted to insulting us, and just can’t stop sneering down their noses at ordinary Australians.’

The campaign called on Martin to apologise and for Mr Albanese to condemn the comments.

Dot
Dot
October 5, 2023 3:25 pm

An iPhone has leverage against McConnell because the software updates usually don’t brick the CPU.

The McConnell 386 Win 3.11 is another matter.

The Beer whisperer
The Beer whisperer
October 5, 2023 3:26 pm

These people are spiritually dead.

There was much concern on Twitter that she seemed unperturbed by the whole thing. It appears those fears were well justified. I suspect she’s raising the money because she doesn’t want to spend a cent on him. Far leftists are all fake people. Everything is superficial.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 5, 2023 3:27 pm

Ah – That was the Reason Why!

Office purge follows ouster of US House speaker

Ex-speaker Nancy Pelosi was moved from her “hideaway” to make room for Kevin McCarthy

Two former top Democrats in the US Congress lost their “hideaway offices” on Wednesday, as the acting speaker of the House reassigned them to Kevin McCarthy, the California Republican who lost his leadership position on Tuesday in a historic vote.

Congressman Patrick McHenry, a North Carolina Republican, sent an email within 90 minutes of becoming speaker pro tempore on Tuesday, ordering Representatives Nancy Pelosi to “vacate the space tomorrow,” Axios has revealed.

“The office that Pelosi currently occupies is the office of the preceding speaker,” Congressman Garret Graves, a Louisiana Republican, told the outlet.

“Now that she and other Democrats have caused there to be an immediately preceding speaker, she has removed herself from that office.”

Graves was referring to the fact that every Democrat present at Tuesday’s session voted with eight of the Republicans to vacate the speakership, making McCarthy the first-ever speaker to be voted out in the 234-year history of the House of Representatives.

There are approximately 100 secret offices in the US Capitol complex, mainly used by senators as private spaces for confidential business or personal matters. They are called “hideaways” because they are unlisted in official directories and are marked only with a room number.

Pelosi did not actually vote against McCarthy, because she was back in California for the funeral of the late Senator Dianne Feinstein. She released a statement on Wednesday denouncing McHenry’s decision as “a sharp departure from tradition.”

“As Speaker, I gave former Speaker [Dennis] Hastert a significantly larger suite of offices for as long as he wished,” Pelosi said, further lamenting that she was “unable to retrieve my belongings” due to being out of town.

Axios reported that staffers for House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, a New York Democrat, helped evacuate Pelosi’s hideaway office, as well as that of Jeffries’ predecessor, Maryland Democrat Steny Hoyer, also ordered out by McHenry.

Pelosi and Hoyer stepped down from leadership posts – but remained members of Congress – after Republicans retook the House in the 2022 midterm elections.

Crossie
Crossie
October 5, 2023 3:28 pm

Google is being sued for anti trust violations. Some of the evidence disclosed in court reveals that Google has been secretly changing search terms on the back end, but you would never know this, only perhaps suspect it.
It was part of an unethical business practice to bleed advertisers dry.
The result is irrelevant ads and a curated internet with completely fake search results.

I believe that the buzz about malevolent AI is actually a cover for what Google is already up to. No AI can catch up to what malevolent humans can do.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 5, 2023 3:28 pm

Daily Mail.

Australia’s most high-profile Muslim cleric behind infamous comment comparing ‘uncovered’ women to ‘pieces of meat’ left out for cats dies suddenly

Crossie
Crossie
October 5, 2023 3:30 pm

Rabz
Oct 5, 2023 10:00 AM
I always remember Rex Mossop or Rex “Messup” as he was often known as (lol) when talking about Gays and homosexuality on TV –
“I don’t mind as long as they don’t make it compulsory”……………LOL

No, JR. The remark about homosexuality was made by someone in the US (an actor?).

I believe it was Bob Hope.

Kneel
Kneel
October 5, 2023 3:33 pm

“Presumably you’re ok that top secret information which could harm the USA or lead to undercover agents being outed or worse if leaked just because Trump says he declassified all files? Even though he didnt follow the official process for doing so?”

If Trump said he declassified while President, then he did – as I noted, as head of the executive branch, the president is the ultimate authority in this regard.

I would remind you that they claim he had (other) classified docs that Kash Patel has said he personally heard Trump in the oval office declare as no longer classified (and Kash has publicly stated he is prepared to testify under oath to this affect). You will note that despite Trump as president directing certain information to be declassified, the deep state has slow-walked and attempted to prevent that legal direction from the (then) president – should they not be charged as well? Of course, but they won’t be, because they are using the excuse you just presented – “national interest”. Bah! It’s not some shiny-bum pencil pusher that decides this, it is the president! Do your freaking job, as directed by your lawfully appointed lord and master, peon!

As I also noted there IS NO OFFICIAL PROCEDURE OR PROCESS for him to follow – he decides, it is done. This is as it should and must be – can you imagine trying to negotiate a deal with Vlad on nuclear disarmament, only for the Vlad to ask “How many you have?” and Trump saying “I’m not allowed to tell you”, or “I have to ask them for permission to declassify that before I can tell you”. Ridiculous!

Yes, I agree it would be reckless to endanger US citizens by needlessly disclosing previously classified information, however if it has been de-classified then it is no longer illegal, regardless of the merits or otherwise of keeping it classified. We are not arguing the morals and ethics of what is made public and what is kept secret, we are talking about putting someone in gaol for breaking the law – that is a higher bar and I don’t think they have come close to reaching it.

And furthermore, despite your claim, there is no evidence that the actual documents were in Trump’s hand at the time, nor that the content of those docs was seen by anyone other than DJT himself. As I noted, if I show you a manila folder and tell you the contents are classified, did I disclose classified material? Only if the very existence of the document is classified! If you disagree, and think just waving paper around without letting people actually read it is illegal, then why wasn’t Adam Schiff pilloried for waving about an envelope he claimed contained classified material proving RussiaGate (even though he lied about having such evidence, he may not of lied about the material being classified!) They never even investigated him – nor should they have, at least regarding classified info.

JC
JC
October 5, 2023 3:35 pm

Sancho Panzer
Oct 5, 2023 3:08 PM

Snap JC.
I just thought it looked very strange on the video, particularly her reaction afterwards.

Sanchez,

She acts very strange in the vid.

The murderer walks past and she looks at him and then appears to the victim suggest, they get up leave.

The murderer looks like he’s attacking a car.
Who’s car?
Theirs?
Then some more weird stuff like her whole stance.
Does a little cry
Quickly and calmly asks the woman trying to help, to “go watch him”.
She’s pointing the murderer when she says, go watch him.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 5, 2023 3:36 pm

Martin told the same Yes rally at Marrickville’s Factory Theatre, in Sydney’s inner west, ‘the way the world sees us really does matter – you can’t just say, “well, f*** them’.

Oh, right.
So as well as “dinosaurs and dickheads” he went with the old “eyes of the world are upon us”.
Newsflash Ray.
Firstly, the eyes of the world are not upon us. Except for MC Hammer and a Trannie in London, no-one outside these fair shores gives a shit.
Secondly, one way to piss ordinary people off is to tell them the rest of the world disapproves of the exercise oglf their democratic rights.
Remember the letter writing campaign organised by The Gruaniard in 2004 to undecided voters in Clark County Ohio, aimed at unseating GWB? Spectacular fail, mainly because people in Ohio (and everywhere else) don’t like being told by Karen the retired Manchester school-teacher how to vote.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 5, 2023 3:38 pm

oglf?
of

JC
JC
October 5, 2023 3:42 pm

Here’s my theory. She had been bonking the black dude. The sudden rage shown by the black dude was jealous rage ending up in the stabbing murder. She of course knows the black dude well.

Alamak!
October 5, 2023 3:44 pm

The McConnell 386 Win 3.11 is another matter.

I’d guess its the model with Turbo Boost(SX), for when the CPU hangs or delays too much on processing data

Zatara
Zatara
October 5, 2023 3:44 pm

These people are spiritually dead.

They are also remarkably gullible/stupid as the cops know exactly who he is. They just haven’t bagged him yet.

Brooklyn suspect who stabbed activist Ryan Carson to death is an ’emotionally disturbed’ SCHOOL WORKER, 18, who was reported to police for breaking all his girlfriends belongings two months ago

Anyone else see a problem here?

“suspect is an “emotionally disturbed” 18-year-old who works in a school.”

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 5, 2023 3:44 pm

Ray hasn’t quite toppered Geoffrey Robertson though …
“If Yes doesn’t succeed retired politicians will struggle to get high profile overseas roles in the future.”
You can bracket that with “I, Noel Pearson will fall silent on the 15th October if the country votes No” and the “No more Welcome to Country for you” threat as things which … how can I put this … things which the silver lining in the dark cloud is immediately apparent.

Robert Sewell
October 5, 2023 3:45 pm

Boambee John
Oct 5, 2023 12:04 PM
Danny La Rue said – before homosexuality was made being legalised – said in an interview question “Do you think it should be made legal?” and he replied with
“Darling, I think it should be made compulsory!”
It’s on the web somewhere, but I couldn’t be bothered looking for it.
I think the interviewer was Parkinson or someone around that era.

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 5, 2023 3:46 pm

What we got here is a bunch of kids who have been in a strict boarding school for nine years and Matron has died in an accident the day before muck-up day.

Animal Farm starring a bunch of mushrooms. Hold on it’s gonna be wild.

JC
JC
October 5, 2023 3:47 pm

Zat

The victim’s girlfriend is supposedly BLM.

cohenite
October 5, 2023 3:48 pm

knees
Oct 5, 2023 3:33 PM
“Presumably you’re ok that top secret information which could harm the USA or lead to undercover agents being outed or worse if leaked just because Trump says he declassified all files? Even though he didnt follow the official process for doing so?”

If Trump said he declassified while President, then he did – as I noted, as head of the executive branch, the president is the ultimate authority in this regard.

Correct. The official process is Trump saying he declassified them. Anyone saying otherwise is a fuking imbecile.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 5, 2023 3:51 pm

Speaking of suss stories.
I have read a few tales from the polling booth over the last few days.
Not just here, but on the Soshul Meeja as well.
Let me just say some have more than a whiff of Jussie Smollett about them.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 5, 2023 3:51 pm

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Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Oct 5, 2023 3:28 PM

Daily Mail.

Australia’s most high-profile Muslim cleric behind infamous comment comparing ‘uncovered’ women to ‘pieces of meat’ left out for cats dies suddenly

Zulu,

when with my Wife went on a tour of Egypt, Israel and Jordon in March/April 2011 just after Cairo Tahrir Square Revoltion, our daughter had just been married end of February, and were spending their Honeymoon in Egypt, Jordan then staying with a Class Mate of my Son-in-Law who worked in the Australian Embassy in Tel Aviv

My wife had always wanted to go to Egypt so we made the decison to go and found Memphis Tours an Egyptian Group where you get Private Car with Driver & Tour Guide and 5 Star Hotels & Nile Cruise covering Egypt, Jordan, Israel about a 1/3 of the price of any other Tour, and were on our way within 4 weeks ,Visa’s and all.

Anyway on the Flight in Business Class (we were in Y) into Cairo was Sheik Taj El-Din Hilaly and he was met at the Baggage Carousel before Customs

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
October 5, 2023 3:53 pm

Tassie drongos on the loose:

“Absolutely Yes, because a vote for No is just for the status quo, it might not be perfect but it’s a step forward and I think we absolutely have to do it,” one woman said.

“We need to give First Nations people recognition, we have to listen to what they want, not as individuals, we need to listen to all of them as a group,” another said.

One man also argued that he will be voting Yes because “what we’ve been doing hasn’t worked so far”.

“I’m voting Yes, I was going to vote No but I’ve thought about it for some weeks now, if I vote no it’s not going to change anything,” another jumped in.

I haven’t become a millionaire yet.
I’m going to try hopping on one leg in the middle of King George Square while wearing a fluffy boa and singing Korn’s “Narcissistic Cannibal” lyrics.
This will surely work, because “what I’ve been doing hasn’t worked so far”.
Plus it will mean a change, and absolutely any change is always good, isn’t it?

These people vote.
Correction, these people *have* voted – and early!

Alamak!
October 5, 2023 3:55 pm

If Trump said he declassified while President, then he did – as I noted, as head of the executive branch, the president is the ultimate authority in this regard.

The courts can rule on this novel theory that he declassified docs without following the official process for all of the items he removed to his personal address and refused to return. For any other politician that removes classified or top secret content I hope they are dealt with in same way.

Yes, I agree it would be reckless to endanger US citizens by needlessly disclosing previously classified information, however if it has been de-classified then it is no longer illegal, regardless of the merits or otherwise of keeping it classified.

So it might be legal and Trump may have even “declassified” docs while still in office. But its still a reckless move with consequences that trump would not know or understand.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 5, 2023 3:56 pm

Zulu – PS Our Kids thought we were stalking them following in their footsteps, and we did catch up with them in Amman Jordon, treating them to a meal and giving them a lift in our Vehicle to the Jordan Border with Israel where they met ny Son-in-Law Diplomat Mate

calli
calli
October 5, 2023 3:57 pm

“If Yes doesn’t succeed retired politicians will struggle to get high profile overseas roles in the future.”

That was comedy gold.

Johnny Rotten
October 5, 2023 3:58 pm

JC
Oct 5, 2023 10:43 AM

I see that you have now woken up somewhat from last night’s dooziness. Sobered up as well I hope.

‘Quaintarse’ is still in trouble I see. Happy flying with the Rooting Kangaroo.

Dot
Dot
October 5, 2023 4:00 pm

They say some women love powerful men.

That or she was pinging harder than a nightclub.

Ilhan Omar licks lips repeatedly looking Matt Gaetz up and down.

https://youtu.be/VKXg217znbs?feature=shared

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 5, 2023 4:00 pm

JC

Oct 5, 2023 3:42 PM

Here’s my theory. She had been bonking the black dude. The sudden rage shown by the black dude was jealous rage ending up in the stabbing murder. She of course knows the black dude well.

Quite apart from her muted reaction afterwards, when they get up and walk away from the seat, they do not look like boyfriend/girlfriend to me.
Looked more like a 30-year married couple walking home from the theatre after the husband nodded off half-way through Act One.
When I first saw it, I didn’t know it was the girlfriend. Given it was 4:00 AM, I thought it was a set-up. That is, girl on bench sells him drugs. Accomplice of girl arrives and robs him of the drugs and “robs” her of the money. A sweet little scam.
An unreportable crime … unless something goes wrong.

Crossie
Crossie
October 5, 2023 4:01 pm

The explicit call of Laudate Deum is for political action.

The weakness of Laudate Deum is that human calculations have taken the place of theology, the things of God.

I wonder if it occurred to the Holy Father that God may be angry at the world for abandoning His teachings and is inflicting the so-called warming/climate change as punishment. The Pope would be better occupied preaching a return to faith.

Dot
Dot
October 5, 2023 4:02 pm

So it might be legal and Trump may have even “declassified” docs while still in office. But its still a reckless move with consequences that trump would not know or understand.

Translation: I’m beat but I can’t admit defeat.

It’s just a blog. No one cares about losing “face”. I mean they do but they shouldn’t.

Zatara
Zatara
October 5, 2023 4:02 pm

The victim’s girlfriend is supposedly BLM.

Wouldn’t surprise me for a minute JC. I knew they were both cop hater/rioter types.

I doubt he’ll ever see that donated money as it’s still illegal to profit from criminal activity, even in NY. Surprising that gofundme or whoever it was even accepted it in the first place.

cohenite
October 5, 2023 4:04 pm

The courts can rule on this novel theory that he declassified docs without following the official process for all of the items he removed to his personal address and refused to return. For any other politician that removes classified or top secret content I hope they are dealt with in same way.

The official process is Trump saying he declassified them. That’s it. No other politician has this right because POTUS is the top of the food chain. Now go and immerse your numbskull in a dish of beetroot.

JC
JC
October 5, 2023 4:09 pm

Thanks for the kind thoughts as always, Wodney. I was really tired last night, and never had a drop of alcohol. I drink a glass of wine yops when we go out..

A couple of things you need to clear up.

As you’re obviously aware; all that junk you posted about Q’s financial position was horse shit. It’s also really stoopid.

A couple of things you need to clear up.

2. If you believe Q’s been finagling results for the past 15 years, can you explain why a rational person would own the stock as you claimed (last evening)

3. You mentioned that I got something wrong about the Future Fund. Can you elaborate as I can’t recall the exact conversation, although I vaguely recall embarrassing you about more stupid shit you posted.

4. You haven’t replied to my request that you inform us where you lived in the UK.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 5, 2023 4:10 pm

Crossie
Oct 5, 2023 3:30 PM
Rabz
Oct 5, 2023 10:00 AM
I always remember Rex Mossop or Rex “Messup” as he was often known as (lol) when talking about Gays and homosexuality on TV –
“I don’t mind as long as they don’t make it compulsory”……………LOL

No, JR. The remark about homosexuality was made by someone in the US (an actor?).

I believe it was Bob Hope.

Does this help?

“Bob Hope was an American comedian who was at his most popular from the 30s to the 60s. A staunch Republican, Hope’s comedy reflected the values of that period,and his material often included casual sexism, racism and homophobia.

In 1975, for example, he declared, “I’ve just flown in from California, where they’ve made homosexuality legal. I thought I’d better get out before they make it compulsory.”

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 5, 2023 4:11 pm

Dot the Territories are only included in the national tally. Therefore some of us are disinfranchised.

JC
JC
October 5, 2023 4:11 pm

That’s possible too, Sanchez.

JC
JC
October 5, 2023 4:16 pm

I listened to a hilarious story today on a podcast.

Somewhere in the US, a job fair for women only was taking place. Many guys arrived at the fair and informed the organizers that they identified as women and non-binary. They were permitted entry.

Here’s how to beat them.

P
P
October 5, 2023 4:16 pm

Crossie
Oct 5, 2023 4:01 PM

The explicit call of Laudate Deum is for political action.
The weakness of Laudate Deum is that human calculations have taken the place of theology, the things of God.

I wonder if it occurred to the Holy Father that God may be angry at the world for abandoning His teachings and is inflicting the so-called warming/climate change as punishment. The Pope would be better occupied preaching a return to faith.

CLEANING UP THE POPE’S MESS
by Brian A. Graebe
9 . 28 . 23

The next pope must strive to fulfill the Lord’s mandate to Peter on the eve of his Passion: “strengthen your brethren.” Twice in his letters to Timothy, St. Paul exhorts him with the primary task of every bishop: “guard the truth that has been entrusted to you.” The next pope’s task will be daunting, but he would do well, as he emerges from the Sistine Chapel, to keep first principles in mind:
Protect the faith. Strengthen the brethren. And don’t make a mess.

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 5, 2023 4:17 pm

Robert Sewell
Oct 5, 2023 3:45 PM
Boambee John
Oct 5, 2023 12:04 PM
Danny La Rue said – before homosexuality was made being legalised – said in an interview question “Do you think it should be made legal?” and he replied with
“Darling, I think it should be made compulsory!”
It’s on the web somewhere, but I couldn’t be bothered looking for it.
I think the interviewer was Parkinson or someone around that era.

Quentin Crisp, who once described himself as “The stately homo of England”, also claimed that being asked on entry to the US if he was a pracitising homosexual, he responded: “Practising? Heavens no, I’ve perfected it”.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 5, 2023 4:18 pm

And 5. Try to come up with better nick-names, Wodney. Your work so far has been pretty poor, Bovver Boy (honorary, part-time).

Johnny Rotten
October 5, 2023 4:20 pm

Johnny Rotten
Oct 5, 2023 12:37 AM
Has he gone to sleep yet with all the booze that he has had?

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Johnny Rotten
Oct 5, 2023 12:39 AM
JC
Oct 5, 2023 12:00 AM
in not leaving

Dickhead. You are gone.

Here is “Jer Cough Cretin” at his best in the middle of the night. Not very good on his/her/it’s feet at all.

“in not leaving”. LOL Drunk as a US skank or is that skunk? More LOL.

Kneel
Kneel
October 5, 2023 4:20 pm

“The courts can rule on this novel theory that he declassified docs without following the official process for all of the items he removed to his personal address and refused to return.”

Understand just one thing – THERE IS NO OFFICIAL PROCESS other than the president saying it! It may take the pencil-pushers a while to catch up, but that is their issue, no-one else’s.

“…its still a reckless move with consequences that trump would not know or understand.”

Yes, as I said, depending on the content, it may very well be reckless to allow someone to read previously classified material. Did they read it, or just see it in his hand as he waved it about? Do you understand the difference?

It is also reckless for government to mandate the impossible, but they do it anyway. “Reckless” is more a matter of opinion than fact in most government choices – even in the “intelligence” game, they can always withdraw people back to safety etc, if they move fast enough. It may cost a lot, it may not be the best outcome, they may not be able to move fast enough etc etc. There may also be good reasons why what was previously classified should be made public too.

To suggest Trump would not know or understand is ridiculous – maybe he doesn’t, but do you think Obama, Bush, Clinton or any of the rest of them would either? Or that even if they did, that would outweigh their perceived political advantage they wanted? FMD, these are people who will mark stuff “classified” so they wont get exposed for corruption and mistakes! If Trump is ignorant, it’s still better than being aware and doing it anyway to save your own skin in a political battle.

And I notice you ignore the point that calling your conversations with legal council “conspiracy” is so far beyond the pale it’s fantastic – they charged Trumps personal lawyer as a co-conspirator for offering legal advice. ie, Trump says “What can we do?”, his lawyer (Rudi) says “Well, I think we can legally do such and such”, and that is some sort of conspiracy? Are you freaking kidding me? These are the same people who say “trust the experts”??
Or what about his assistant – Trump says “Get me so and so’s phone number please – NOW!” so he does it – and that makes him part of a conspiracy to steal an election? FMD. Anyone with any sort of conscience would be embarrassed at doing such a thing, yet they revel in it – the ones who claim the Biden admin is “putting the adults back in charge”!

Alamak!
October 5, 2023 4:21 pm

Translation: I’m beat but I can’t admit defeat.

Court case still to be heard plus any appeals which means any legal questions still to be resolved. Conceding that Trumps actions were “Reckless” is not a “win” for anyone, especially not the USA or its national security.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 5, 2023 4:23 pm

How many times has it been explained it doesn’t matter what a President does with classified documents. His actions cannot be challenged. The dumbarses that keep bringing it up are just that, dumbarses. It doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks, only what he thinks.

Robert Sewell
October 5, 2023 4:23 pm

Sancho:
re the Mashed spud Quandary:
Cook a new batch of spuds every day – count the electricity costs.
Cook a batch once a week – count the electricity costs.
Wash utensils each day or wash one lot per week.
Can you calculate the difference in electricity costs?
Of course you can.
But it does give an opportunity to ridicule someone for whom these reasons are logical – and we all know everyone’s circumstances are the same.
I’ll add them to the scrambled egg file.

Johnny Rotten
October 5, 2023 4:23 pm

Sancho Panzer
Oct 5, 2023 4:18 PM

Mrs Stencho Pantyhose. You snow flake. You were missing in action last night. How pathetic of you but typical of a wally like you

Go away and play in the traffic you sad T.W.A.T.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 5, 2023 4:23 pm

calli

Oct 5, 2023 3:57 PM

“If Yes doesn’t succeed retired politicians will struggle to get high profile overseas roles in the future.”

That was comedy gold.

It’s more than that.
An astute j’ism would have come straight back with, “Oh? Are overseas appointments for retired politicians your main concern? Aren’t you more worried about the health of Aboriginal children in remote communities?”
He unwittingly tipped us off what this is really all about – money, prestige and power.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 5, 2023 4:23 pm

The American Conservative – Washington on the Knife Edge

Will faltering support for the Ukrainian cause at home and failures on the battlefield make the uniparty warmongers reconsider?

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has gone from hero to zero in the space of a few months.

The mélange of Western military equipment, from tanks to missiles, in the hands of courageous but unprepared and poorly led Ukrainian conscripts has failed to improve Ukrainian battlefield performance.

The resulting hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians killed and wounded are reportedly inducing thousands of exhausted Ukrainian soldiers to surrender. Ukrainian soldiers are tired of dying, and their feelings are justified.

Russian military power rests on the systematic integration of strike assets—rockets, missiles, artillery, drones, and aircraft—with space- and terrestrial-based persistent surveillance. Once Russian forces halted their advance and established a defense in depth in eastern Ukraine, the Russians’ accurate, devastating firepower began swatting the attacking Ukrainian ground and air forces like flies. In the words of a Ukrainian military official, “The sheer number of drones operating in Ukraine, as well as battle-management systems that provide real-time imaging and locations, mean that troops and tanks out in the open have just minutes before they’re targeted.”

Without any serious evaluation of Russia’s true military potential, particularly when committed to action on Moscow’s doorstep in Eastern Europe, Washington’s globalist-neocon leadership assured Zelensky that he and his government would have the financial and military backing of the United States and its NATO allies “for as long as it takes.” Like the Poles in 1939 who thought their flight to London had purchased protection from Germany and the Soviet Union, the Ukrainians swallowed the lies. Yet, geography has made it impossible for Washington to assert its dominance in Eastern Europe.

Thanks to the compliant and supportive Western media, Zelensky and his political backers in NATO promised mountains, but delivered molehills.

Claims of Ukrainian battlefield successes from the popular “Ghost of Kiev” to the recovery of Bakhmut turned out to be flatulence on steroids. When NATO members met in Vilnius in July 2023, the mood had changed. Ukraine’s fate, let alone its membership in NATO, would be determined by the outcome of the Ukrainian Army’s celebrated counteroffensive.

As Ukrainian losses mounted and Ukraine’s counteroffensive failed catastrophically, things went seriously wrong for Washington, D.C. American political and military leaders callously criticized Zelensky and his senior military leaders for deeply flawed strategic decisions leading to heavy losses of men and equipment. The hunt for an exit strategy from Ukraine without openly calling it such was underway.

The behind-the-scenes split between the national leaders in the U.S. and Europe who embraced the myth of Russian backwardness and those who privately questioned the wisdom of backing one of the most corrupt regimes on the planet against a nuclear-armed Russia began breaking into the open. Viktor Orban, Hungary’s wise and canny prime minister, always rejected Washington’s assurances that Russia’s weakness meant certain defeat for Moscow. Now, more European leaders are adopting his policy stances. Why?

Orban argues that the conflict between Kiev and Moscow “is not our war.” His insistence that Europeans should strive to “isolate it, separate it, prevent it from spreading further” now resonates with Europeans as it becomes painfully clear to more and more Europeans that Putin was not and is not interested in making Ukraine a part of Russia. Moscow’s strategic goal was and still is to prevent Ukraine from becoming a platform for the projection of American and Allied NATO military power against Russia, not to conquer Eastern Europe.

For many of the American and European critics of the dangerous fiasco in Ukraine, it is the breakdown in civil order across the United States and Europe, not Russia, that presents a clear and present danger to Western civilization, not Russia.

As seen recently in Philadelphia, the lawlessness in America’s major cities is reaching a new boiling point. Americans want the U.S. judicial system to protect Americans and punish criminals, not mollify them.

In Sweden, the breakdown in law and order is now so acute Sweden’s prime minister has called for the use of Swedish troops to restore order.

Europeans and Americans know that the millions pushing through their borders are not asylum seekers or political refugees.

The masses are being invited to dilute American and European national identity and culture, overwhelming the American and European capacity to assimilate them.

In their haste to benefit from Washington’s proxy war in Ukraine, the West’s politicians, corporate bosses, hedge fund managers, and media moguls made a serious mistake.

They cast their lots with the Washington uniparty; the radical left’s woke agenda and the globalists’ permanent proxy war against Russia.

It was a serious miscalculation.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 5, 2023 4:24 pm

Alamak you are as backward as Kamala.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 5, 2023 4:26 pm

Wodney.
You seem simultaneously angwy that JC stayed on too long last night and that I didn’t show up.
What is the happy medium you sad Five Pound Limey?

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 5, 2023 4:26 pm

Rishi Sunak names three countries UK will target to stop migrants getting to Britain

Exclusive: Rishi Sunak will reveal new state-of-the-art technology will be deployed to detect migrants as he urges European leaders to hunt down more smuggling gangs.

The Prime Minister will travel to Granada, Spain, on Thursday to urge politicians “to protect Europe’s borders from criminal gangs and face down Russian aggression”.

Confirming Britain will share more intelligence with Bulgaria, Serbia and Belgium, Mr Sunak will call on European leaders to take “more coordinated action “to address rising levels of illegal migration to Europe.”

The Daily Express can reveal Britain will be deploying new technology to detect migrants hiding in lorries in Belgium.

It will be used at popular freight truck stops.

And new maritime “sensors” will be used for the first time to detect small boats, such as migrant dinghies, speedboats and yachts travelling across the Channel.

Speaking ahead of the European Political Community summit, Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said:

“Levels of illegal migration to mainland Europe are the highest they have been in nearly a decade. With thousands of people dying at sea, propelled by people smugglers, the situation is both immoral and unsustainable.“We cannot allow criminal gangs to decide who comes to Europe’s shores.

JC
JC
October 5, 2023 4:26 pm

Alamak!
Oct 5, 2023 4:21 PM

Translation: I’m beat but I can’t admit defeat.

Court case still to be heard plus any appeals which means any legal questions still to be resolved. Conceding that Trumps actions were “Reckless” is not a “win” for anyone, especially not the USA or its national security.

Reckless? How so? The resort is well protected by private security and the Secret Service. We really don’t even know what the docs were.

Certainly, better protected than Dementia’s garage with his corrupt son hanging around to sell any secrets he could get his hands on.

Certainly more secure than a private server, which was supposedly later destroyed by a private IT specialist.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 5, 2023 4:29 pm

Speaking of suss stories.
I have read a few tales from the polling booth over the last few days.
Not just here, but on the Soshul Meeja as well.

Yes indeedy.

I particularly liked the ‘well there was a Yes line and a No line’ one.

The gongbangers never miss an opportunity to bang the gongs.

Zatara
Zatara
October 5, 2023 4:30 pm

Men invade tech job fair for women after ‘lying’ about being non-binary

Heaps of videos of women going absolutely mental about it on the net today.

“But this is supposed to be a safe space for women! Waaah”

Yeah, flip that around and try excluding women from a “male” job fair and see how long it takes for the first lawsuit to drop.

Alamak!
October 5, 2023 4:32 pm

Understand just one thing – THERE IS NO OFFICIAL PROCESS other than the president saying it! It may take the pencil-pushers a while to catch up, but that is their issue, no-one else’s.

Actually there is and multiple people with standing and experience have confirmed this. Again, if Trump & his legal team believe this he can go all the way to Supreme Court for what he believes.

So far nobody is buying this view.

The last few para’s you wrote seem to be about something else.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 5, 2023 4:33 pm

Biden had classified files when he was VP, he couldn’t declassify them.

JC
JC
October 5, 2023 4:33 pm

“in not leaving” was meant to replace “in leaving” in an above comment.

Was left as a small correction to an earlier piece I posted, you zonk brain. It wasn’t meant as a stand alone comment.

You’re always picking up the real important things, aren’t you? You need to access Destiny more often as you need a sentient AI to help you.

Future Fund. Go!

Top Ender
Top Ender
October 5, 2023 4:34 pm

Ol’ Thorpie has got her own goons for the next nine days:

The senator explained that ‘only two fascists’ had been arrested over two years and that she wasn’t waiting ‘two years for the latest fascist f***ing violence to come at me’.

‘I’ve hired my own black army…and this parliament has to pay for the black army, not the army that continues to violate black men and black women in this country,’ she added.

‘So I’m not hiding for the next nine days. You’re going to hear from me, and you are going to see me, and I am not scared.’

‘I am ready to fight for exactly what I went into parliament for, and that is for my country, my people. And I won’t stop, and I’m not scared. So come at me.’

The national broadcaster cut away from her press statement.

Daily Mail

Boambee John
Boambee John
October 5, 2023 4:34 pm

GreyRanga
Oct 5, 2023 4:11 PM
Dot the Territories are only included in the national tally. Therefore some of us are disinfranchised.

Another argument for reducing the ACT to the Lodge, the Parliamentary Triangle, Anzac Parade and the AWM. PM and family vote in their home electorate.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 5, 2023 4:37 pm

OK, Bobby.
Give us the mashed potato economics.
And what value do you put on the fact that the subsequent servings are unpalatable and/or the cost of adding the ingredients to make them palatable?

JC
JC
October 5, 2023 4:37 pm

Actually there is and multiple people with standing and experience have confirmed this.

1. Who has “confirmed”?
2. Specify the actual article in the law abiding with the constitutional rights of the president detailing “confirmation”.

Again, if Trump & his legal team believe this he can go all the way to Supreme Court for what he believes.

We don’t know what Trump and his team have in legal play and you don ‘t either.

So far nobody is buying this view.

100% not buying? Really?

Vicki
Vicki
October 5, 2023 4:39 pm

For many of the American and European critics of the dangerous fiasco in Ukraine, it is the breakdown in civil order across the United States and Europe, not Russia, that presents a clear and present danger to Western civilization, not Russia.

Can’t argue with that.

Johnny Rotten
October 5, 2023 4:39 pm

Boambee John
Oct 5, 2023 4:10 PM

Thank you for that as I was always told that it was “Rex Messup” who had said it.

GOLD Medal anyway.

Robert Sewell
October 5, 2023 4:46 pm

Cohenite:

Now go and immerse your numbskull in a dish of beetroot.

I’m doing a couple of kilos of potato here in Barcy. He can have the boiling water after I finish?

Rosie
Rosie
October 5, 2023 4:46 pm

There’s something about those ‘cisgendered men’ that I can’t quite put my finger on.

Johnny Rotten
October 5, 2023 4:47 pm

‘I am ready to fight for exactly what I went into parliament for, and that is for my country, my people. And I won’t stop, and I’m not scared. So come at me.’

LOL. It is NOT your Country. And MY people?. What a waste of space you are. How are they YOUR people?

You should be scared as you are going down to the dregs where you belong.

And don’t come up for air.

Lee
Lee
October 5, 2023 4:50 pm

Biden had classified files when he was VP, he couldn’t declassify them.

And Hillary had many thousands of official government emails illegally on her private server, and when the court demanded she give them up she deleted them instead.

Consequences?

None.

The point is, when you are a senior Democrat you can deliberately break federal laws and get away with it.

Johnny Rotten
October 5, 2023 4:51 pm

JC
Oct 5, 2023 4:33 PM

You Big Nose Sictorian Fat Arse T.W.A.T. Have a nice day and fly ‘Quiantarse’.

You know it makes cents.

Vicki
Vicki
October 5, 2023 4:52 pm

The AEC staff were great. They were handing out pencils. They were also very clear in saying write only YES or NO.

Our AEC (country NSW town) gave us biros. But likewise said to write only YES or NO. And also lots of “No” supporters handing out how-to-vote leaflets, and one despondent “Yes” volunteer.

cohenite
October 5, 2023 4:53 pm

‘I’ve hired my own black army…and this parliament has to pay for the black army, not the army that continues to violate black men and black women in this country,’ she added.

That this addled, fuked out lunatic is still in parliament says all you need to know about this shithole.

calli
calli
October 5, 2023 4:54 pm

He unwittingly tipped us off what this is really all about – money, prestige and power.

Yes. It was also a window into his well upholstered bubble, where he thought such a thing would be completely honky dory with the public.

The Epping boy has come a long way since catching the school bus at Vimera Road and rubbing shoulders with the Great Unwashed. A pity his super brain can’t take in the divide, regardless of marrying skank EveryWoman.

Nigella dodged a dumb but highly polished round.

Rosie
Rosie
October 5, 2023 4:55 pm

Big Build made the Royal Melbourne Hospital precinct a nightmare to negotiate December 2021.
October 2023, nothing much has changed.
I noticed two men outside the hospital, one indigenous and one ME out in their wheelchairs fagging away.
Both seemed to have serious problems with their legs/feet.
No doubt their health issues had nothing to do with ciggies.
Completely outnumbered by staff smoking, it was like running a gauntlet, pity they didn’t have a 50 metre exclusion zone around the various hospitals..

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 5, 2023 4:55 pm

SITREP 10/4/23: The Beginning of a Long Fall for Ukraine

SIMPLICIUS THE THINKER
5 OCT 2023

As we head into fall and winter, the situation continues to worsen for Ukraine. The biggest developments have happened outside the locus of the conflict itself, but rather in the geopolitical scene where Ukraine is faced with a disastrous loss of financial support.

The U.S. House of Representatives has just removed its Speaker for the first time in history, primarily over his secret side deal with Biden to get funding to Ukraine. Some of the current options on the table for his replacement would spell disaster for Ukraine as they are all staunchly anti-funding Republicans.

On top of that, there’s been a concerted media campaign to really push the narrative that European weapons are completely running out:

The narrative is now coming fairly out into the open on both sides. In the West, top officials are actively speaking on how Putin plans to “fatigue” the West into giving up on Ukraine, while Russian officials like Medvedev are openly admitting to this fact, and stating that the West will give up on Ukraine soon.

The West has never looked weaker, not only in general, but specifically vis a vis their support for Ukraine. All of their recent attempts at portraying a unified front look increasingly hollow and desperate.

The facade is literally falling apart before our very eyes, showcased most poignantly in this Sky News interview with Ukrainian MP Lesia Vasylenko, which was taken down soon after because of how inconvenient her “slip ups” were in admitting that Russia is winning the war:

But these latest things are just the outward manifestation of something that had privately started long ago. Ukraine’s support had already been slowly coming to a trickle:

And the fact is, this is not something you can turn around even if you wanted to. The way military support works is your logistics chains from many months ago are critical to the efforts of today. What would be essential to a hypothetical Ukrainian spring 2024 offensive would need to be heavy arms shipping now. The fact that there is nothing new of note being shipped means Ukraine’s near and medium term future look stark.

CNN and others had forecast this gloomy change weeks ago:

Now, in a desperate plea to reengage the public on the putative ‘threat’ that Russia poses in defeating Ukraine, the globalist scriptwriters have rolled out a new narrative: saving Ukraine means saving Taiwan from China. You can see this—as usual—in the orchestrated nature of the sudden, totally aligned messaging, which has clearly been sent down as ‘guidance’ from above.

Just in the past few days alone we have:

Graham: “To stop funding Ukraine is a death sentence to Taiwan.”

This represents a fairly prosaic and predictable escalation in language. They have no other way to fearmonger the progressively disinterested populace other than bringing up the specter of some other newer, larger looming conflict as consequence of losing this one.

In reality, it’s probably likelier that Russia losing the war, rather than winning, would cause China to invade Taiwan. The reason being that Russia losing the war would greatly destabilize the world by giving a huge new power boost to the West. And given their precedent to always escalate to bring dominion and hegemony to their adversaries, the West will use the momentum of that victory to up the ante on their pressure against China—that perennial pressure to slowly chip away at and balkanize all competitors.

Russia winning on the other hand would give the West a major reality check which would greatly weaken them and could lead to their backing off on the Taiwan issue, particularly due to the fact that many “heads will roll” in Western leadership, most of whom will be the top ‘swamp’ creatures of the deepstate.

This will lower tensions and lead to China banking on the eventual mutual-political reunion with Taiwan, rather than a forced military take over. You see, China doesn’t want to invade Taiwan—just like Russia didn’t want to invade Ukraine. China made that clear many times that they are completely against it, and are seeking a natural reunification driven by concensus from both sides. However, if the West corners China by continuing to arm Taiwan (as they’ve begun doing now) and turning Taiwan into a similar dangerous thorn in China’s side, then China will have no choice but to “pull the bandaid off” and effect a sharp military take over.

Thus, I believe the calculus is as follows: Russia wins in Ukraine = the West is weakened and pressure on Taiwan defuses, lessening the chances of war and strengthening the chances of China pursuing peaceful reunification.

Russia loses in Ukraine = the West gets arrogant and uses their victory as proof they can weaken China the same way they did to Russia. This will lead China to feel they have no alternative than to act decisively.

So, what’s next?

Zatara
Zatara
October 5, 2023 4:56 pm

Man arrested by Cuban police for possession of powdered milk is beaten to death

In communist Cuba, transporting half a sack of powdered milk is considered possession of an illegal substance and warrants arrest and a beating so brutal it kills you. This is nothing new in Cuba, where the police act with impunity, following the orders of the Castro family dictatorship.

calli
calli
October 5, 2023 4:57 pm

‘So I’m not hiding for the next nine days. You’re going to hear from me, and you are going to see me, and I am not scared.’

Of course you’re not scared you fat headed trollop. You’re being protected by your “army”.

Pity the poor people who have no such protection. Like Robertson, you are in a bubble of rank stupidity perched at a rarified, privileged altitude.

And we are paying for it.

Dot
Dot
October 5, 2023 4:58 pm

Pretty funny how Kween Hidea has a “Blak” “Army” and dares us to “come at her bruh” but she’s not even given a warning, but Trump is continually defamed as being accused of insurrection.

Says a lot about the West, actually.

Lee
Lee
October 5, 2023 5:02 pm

Hideous Lidia’s unhinged, supremely narcissistic ego is such that she makes all these demands, but the people she actively hates have to pay for them.

calli
calli
October 5, 2023 5:03 pm

‘I’ve hired my own black army…and this parliament has to pay for the black army, not the army that continues to violate black men and black women in this country,’ she added.

Exactly which “army” is she referring to that are violating black men and women?

Tell us more Lidia. Who do you mean? Has a crime been committed?

Put up or shut up you vile, useless harridan.

Johnny Rotten
October 5, 2023 5:03 pm
calli
calli
October 5, 2023 5:03 pm

Are they her bikie conquests?

I bet they are.

Zatara
Zatara
October 5, 2023 5:04 pm

‘I’ve hired my own black army…and this parliament has to pay for the black army, not the army that continues to violate black men and black women in this country,’ she added.

In a responsible media those would be described as racist thugs. And if parliament is paying a penny for them someone needs firing immediately.

Dot
Dot
October 5, 2023 5:04 pm

In reality, it’s probably likelier that Russia losing the war, rather than winning, would cause China to invade Taiwan.

Chur, chur.

1. Give us what we want, and Taiwan is unharmed.
2. Actually, China would just waltz into the Far East. They don’t give a damn about Russia’s feelings.
3. Left long enough, China will reunify. The Green Party is out of favour in Taiwan. The Blues just want to wait until the CCP crumbles. The CCP know that reunification is preferable to most Taiwanese.

Dot
Dot
October 5, 2023 5:06 pm

‘I’ve hired my own black army…and this parliament has to pay for the black army

How is this not insurrection and piracy?

(No I haven’t checked the formal definitions or offence names either).

Dot
Dot
October 5, 2023 5:08 pm

Plus it’s an offence to be a mercenary if you are an Aussie.

“No, no, private security…did I say Army…silly me…”

Rosie
Rosie
October 5, 2023 5:09 pm

Of course Lidia, the Australian taxpayer always has to foot the bill.

calli
calli
October 5, 2023 5:13 pm

Uh oh.

I think my downticker might be Thorpie.

Good.

Johnny Rotten
October 5, 2023 5:15 pm

SCOTUS: Trump May Run for President in 2024

“The establishment has been doing everything in its power to stop Trump. The Supreme Court ruled that Donald Trump may run for the presidency next year. Multiple individual states have attempted to remove him from the future ballot, and in this particular case, John Anthony Castro, a man with no chance of winning the race, brought the case forward. Castro stated that Trump should be ineligible to run for office due to the events of January 6.

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

None of the 1,000+ protesters were arrested or charged with “insurrection.” Trump was correct when he said, “They’re after YOU, I’m just in the way.” They needed to demonize the protestors in order to attack Trump at the top. The 14th Amendment was passed on June 13, 1866, with the sole purpose of punishing those who supported the South during the US Civil War. Trump did not engage in a rebellion. He had valid questions about the results of the election and did not fund or encourage the acts of J6.

We have seen numerous politicians protest on the streets for social justice causes. The Squad members faked their arrest after protesting outside of the Supreme Court. The Democrats encouraged the people to take to the streets in the aftermath of George Floyd, and those protests were actual riots where cities burned and people were murdered. They would need to drain the entire swamp if they wanted to uphold this clause in the manner they wish to interpret it.

Trump is too popular to stop. He is leading all the polls and has not attended a single debate. Trump is in the 24/7 news cycle, and whether good or bad, he receives more press than all the other candidates combined. The people want Trump back in office – the country was in a drastically better place only a few years ago. Too bad our leaders are installed and not elected.”

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/scotus-trump-may-run-for-president-in-2024/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS

Robert Sewell
October 5, 2023 5:19 pm

GreyRanga

Oct 5, 2023 4:23 PM
How many times has it been explained it doesn’t matter what a President does with classified documents. His actions cannot be challenged. The dumbarses that keep bringing it up are just that, dumbarses. It doesn’t matter what anyone else thinks, only what he thinks.

The question is one of those that gets brought up every so often on the Cat – It jumps onto the roundabout, gets hammered because it’s wrong, then kicked off. It mopes around in the outer darkness for a while, and then when it spots it’s chance it dives back on.
Of course the question gets another hammering, kicked of into the Outer Darkness, but bides its time, nursing its bruises.
This must be at least the 7the or 8th time the Classification Question has been given a hiding but it keeps coming back.
Why?
Because the aim is not to answer the question – the aim is to keep the uncertainty going.

Dr Faustus
Dr Faustus
October 5, 2023 5:21 pm

The Ray Martin outburst is one of an increasing number of similarly themed comments by the media Great and Good, positioning for a Yes failure – with the objective of assisting Uncle Luigi’s ‘October 15’ choices:

A) Tragically, I have let down Australia and blown the whole Referendum debate (and $400 million) by overestimating my mad political skills.

B) Tragically, 56% of Australian voters (70% in Queensland) are racist dickheads – who I ask, please, do not ever consider voting for Labor in future.

C) Tragically, Those Opposite have been effective in harnessing Gay Grampian Prejudice and confusing the majority of well meaning Australians with the if ‘You Don’t Know Vote No’ slogan.

Leading to:

1) Under the circumstances, the best I can do is resign from Parliament and allow someone better suited to take the reins…

2) Under the circumstances, the Leader of the Opposition should resign from Parliament and allow someone better suited to take the reins.

Meanwhile the Government I Lead will proceed to restore relationships with our First Nations people and the International Community through a legislative program to deliver…

The narrative shift is developing through a prism of contempt.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 5, 2023 5:22 pm

Knuckle Dragger
Oct 5, 2023 4:29 PM
Speaking of suss stories.
I have read a few tales from the polling booth over the last few days.
Not just here, but on the Soshul Meeja as well.

Yes indeedy.

I particularly liked the ‘well there was a Yes line and a No line’ one.

The gongbangers never miss an opportunity to bang the gongs.

Excuse me?
Gongbangers?
Trusted sources on the innernet, if you please.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 5, 2023 5:23 pm

Hope Downs trial: Closings begin in multibillion-dollar legal battle between Hancock and Wright families
Tim Clarke
The West Australian
Thu, 5 October 2023 10:34AM

The beginning of the end of the multibillion-dollar court battle between the Wright and Hancock mining dynasties — centered around the Hope Downs mining tenements — has begun.

Since 2010, the Wright side, including mining heiress Angela Bennett, has been claiming entitlement to a slice of the extraordinary wealth generated by the Pilbara tenements.

And for just as long, the Hancock entities, headed by Australia’s richest woman Gina Rinehart, have fought back, saying those mines — being run in partnership with Rio Tinto — are theirs, and theirs alone.

On Thursday in WA’s Supreme Court, the phalanx of legal practitioners being employed to fight over the Hope Downs fortune were back together as the closing arguments from all sides commenced.

Julie Taylor SC, the lead barrister for Wright Prospecting, will spend days wrapping up her client’s case, which relies on decades-old agreements between Lang Hancock and his partner Peter Wright.

They say those agreements — including one notably made between the pair in 1987 — entitle them to royalties from the Hope Downs project, and possibly some ownership rights as well.

Ms Taylor said the opportunity to develop the Hope Downs tenements were the “fruit of decades of hard work by the partnership”.

And, she accused Hancock lawyers of producing “red herring” arguments to get around their responsibilities, where historic documents show the company were obliged to be “just and faithful”.

One of those documents was a letter written by Lang Hancock to his daughter in 1986, which Wright lawyers say shows a clear belief on all sides that the Hope Downs assets were jointly held.

Entangling the case further is two other claims to the Hope Downs fortune — from DFD Rhodes and from Mrs Rinehart’s son John and daughter Bianca.

DFD Rhodes — descended from Pilbara engineer Don Rhodes’ — say they are also entitled to a 1.25 per cent portion, laid out in a 1969 agreement with Hancock and Wright.

And John and Bianca claim their mother defrauded them because their grandfather intended to leave them 49 per cent of the family fortune — including the Hope Downs tenements.

Instead, they say, their mother began a complex series of business moves to take those prospects out of their reach and into hers, which amounted to a “calculated and deliberate fraud”.

Included in their arguments was evidence that showed the fraught tension in the relationship between Mrs Rinehart and her father over his relationship with his late-life wife Rose Porteous.

Mrs Rinehart is said to have described Ms Porteous as “oriental concubine”, a “prostitute”. Lang alleged that Mrs Rinehart had attempted to get his wife deported.

All sides will spend the next weeks laying out their cases before Justice Jennifer Smith will likely spend months picking through the various arguments before releasing her judgement.

Jorge
Jorge
October 5, 2023 5:23 pm

ABC person just now reporting on a severe storm in Taiwan:

‘The storm has closed all airports in the count…… territory.’

Whew.

Truth telling, eh ?

Tom
Tom
October 5, 2023 5:24 pm

LOL. Lidia Thorpe couldn’t even take the chewing gum out of her mouth to denounce the “Nazi” who “sent” her a video.

Lidia isn’t just a bogan, but a bogan moll a bikie would be embarrassed by.

OldOzzie
OldOzzie
October 5, 2023 5:25 pm

‘We have to do more’: Nationals MP Darren Chester sounds alarm over lack of hazard reduction burning ahead of dry summer

A Nationals MP whose electorate was hard-hit by the Black Summer bushfires has desperately called for more hazard reduction burning as the fire season starts to heat up.

Nationals MP Darren Chester has called for more to be done to reduce the fuel load sitting in public land ahead of a dry, hot summer.

The federal member for Gippsland – which covers towns like Mallacoota, which was hard-hit by Black Summer bushfires – spoke to Sky News Australia on Thursday about the need for prescribed burning.

“I am very alarmed, and continue to be alarmed, about the lack of prescribed burning or fuel reduction burning within the state forest and national park areas,” he told Sky News Australia’s Chief Anchor Kieran Gilbert.

“We live in an area where we know we’re going to get hot days; we know there’s going to be points of ignition whether it’s accidents or lightning.

“The only thing we can actually control when it comes to wildfires is the fuel load.

“So, we have to do more as a nation, as a community, as a region, to reduce the fuel load on public land.”

Mr Chester added that it was important to get the timing right on when to conduct safe controlled burns.

“And that’s one of the real challenges,” he said.

“How do we do more prescribed burning, more cool burns at the right time of year to avoid those wildfires in summer?”

The Gippsland MP added that the past 72 hours in his electorate, which has seen fire and rain threats, had been “quite extraordinary”.

“We had the fire threats … and then those rain events where we had between four and eight inches – that’s 100mls to 200mls – of rain falling in a 48-hour period,” he said.

“These flood events are not unusual in Gippsland, but coming hot on the heels of a bushfire is something I haven’t seen before.”

Johnny Rotten
October 5, 2023 5:30 pm

calli
Oct 5, 2023 5:13 PM
Uh oh.

I think my downticker might be Thorpie.

Paranoia, just like wot’ “Jer Cough Cretin” is all abaat’.

And they are down thumbs. Please keep up with the latest in high tech. Or go to SpecSavers asap. You know it makes sense.

Johnny Rotten
October 5, 2023 5:34 pm

“These flood events are not unusual in Gippsland, but coming hot on the heels of a bushfire is something I haven’t seen before.”

Why don’t we ask the locals who have been here for 60,000 years or so. Maybe they have seen it before. Oh right, they are all dead and didn’t write it down.

Vicki
Vicki
October 5, 2023 5:38 pm

Jo Nova has posted an absolutely scary news item re an electric powered MG which suddenly failed to respond to the driver.

And you thought your last software crash was bad

Brian Morrison ended up a prisoner in his own new MG electric car that wouldn’t stop. He could steer, but the brakes didn’t work, and he couldn’t turn it off. At one point he threw the car keys into the police van driving beside him, which had come to help, but even that didn’t stop the motor. This was not meant to be a self-driving car.

Tragedy was averted this time because it was 10:30 at night, the road was empty and the police had time to stop it. But what if this fault occurred in normal traffic and the EV drove through a red light, or a pedestrian?

By Rory Tingle at The Daily Mail:

I was kidnapped by my runaway electric car
Terrified motorist, 53, reveals his new £30,000 MG ZS EV ‘began driving itself’ after suffering ‘catastrophic malfunction’ – forcing him to dial 999 and crash it into a police van to get it to stop

Brian Morrison, 53, claims he was heading home from work at around 10pm on Sunday when his new Chinese-made fully electric car began driving itself at 30mph.

‘I have mobility issues, so I couldn’t even jump out – I was completely trapped inside the car going at 30mph.

‘So eventually three police vehicles arrived and were driving in front of me and behind me.

Mr Morrison said: ‘After trying to shut the car down, my entire dashboard lit up with faults, and then it all went away after a second and just had a big red car symbol that said “drive safely, stop driving immediately” or something.

After the car was forcibly stopped it still launched itself forward if given the chance. The RAC mechanic plugged in his diagnostic machine and declared it had “pages of faults” and wasn’t game to turn the engine on.

Before we thank our lucky stars that it worked out OK, we have to ask: how do we know this hasn’t happened before? It was the first time the emergency call centre had dealt with this issue, but if the EV had crashed and killed the driver before they could call, would the accident investigation squad even look for software bugs, or would they just say “they ran the red light”?

David says: “Never trust a computer you can’t throw out the window”.*

calli
calli
October 5, 2023 5:38 pm

Johnny Rotten
Oct 5, 2023 5:30 PM

You are a very silly man. Grow up.

Gilas
Gilas
October 5, 2023 5:40 pm

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Oct 4, 2023 8:21 PM

.. lack of organisation at the pointy end of voting is what Hairy and I experience when we turned out to man the booths for the Australian Conservatives. We knew it was all over then, and your report has me worried about the No vote now. If there is no enthusiasm in the volunteering then the Yes will win hands down, especially when all the Yes booths are stacked with money, muchos money, as well as leftist enthusiasts.

That was my thought also.
Jeni of Concord thought that 99% of people had already decided (so why bother attending a pre-polling booth?..), yet she was obsessively handing out HTV cards in between zip-tying NO posters to nearby poles.

Apart from a few definite winks of support and some sneering hand-waves from the usual leftards (mostly, but not exclusively Anglos), I couldn’t really tell voters’ intentions.
Most of them politely accepted both YES and NO HTVs, very few were selective in taking one and not the other.
When some asked for more information, I, being alone, couldn’t really spend enough time to do them justice and still hand out cards. This problem wasn’t helped by the NO HTVs having no information, apart from voting directions. They were also in English, only.
This, in a suburb which was mostly non-Anglo.

If these issues are distributed across NSW, the NO vote may well suffer.
Even before one considers the very real potential for ballot fraud, for we well know what the Yes23 DNA is.
Always was, always will be… indeed.

calli
calli
October 5, 2023 5:42 pm

Oh, and by the way, I’m not “paranoid”.

It was a joke you jester you.

Troll harder. You’re reminding me of Grigs.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 5, 2023 5:45 pm

Lidia Thorpe has done more for the No campaign than any other person.

Colonel Crispin Berka
Colonel Crispin Berka
October 5, 2023 5:46 pm

reply to Jorge re:

ABC person just now reporting on a severe storm in Taiwan:
‘The storm has closed all airports in the count…… territory.’

What does the ABC say when asked if Tiananmen Square exists?

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
October 5, 2023 6:01 pm

Mike Kaiser is a crook and you would have thought he learned from his last brush with the law.

To bad Talbot died in a plane crash, wonder if the corruption of Beattie Labor would have exploded if he was hauled in front of the court.

Johnny Rotten
October 5, 2023 6:06 pm

dover0beach
Oct 5, 2023 5:46 PM
Matt Davies
@MNormanDavies

Interesting extrapolation: 214K-458K unrecoverable losses.

The UKR is now gone as a Nation. Well done Biden/O Bummer and the Neocons. Great work.

Who will you fark up next?

Johnny Rotten
October 5, 2023 6:11 pm

calli
Oct 5, 2023 5:38 PM
Johnny Rotten
Oct 5, 2023 5:30 PM

You have NO sense of humour or irony. You grow up.

Robert Sewell
October 5, 2023 6:15 pm

Vicki

Oct 5, 2023 4:52 PM
The AEC staff were great. They were handing out pencils. They were also very clear in saying write only YES or NO.

Our AEC (country NSW town) gave us biros. But likewise said to write only YES or NO. And also lots of “No” supporters handing out how-to-vote leaflets, and one despondent “Yes” volunteer.

I’m still waiting for word from the ‘No’ campaign about helping to hand out HTV cards.
Nothin.
We, obviously, don’t matter.
But they did sell me a Tshirt/hat/biro/sticker pack – which I suspect was the whole aim of the volunteer soliciting.

Pedro the Loafer
Pedro the Loafer
October 5, 2023 6:17 pm

Two “Yes” signs went up in my little WA town over the last couple of days.

Within 24 hours one was spray painted “NO” and the other was pulled down and torn in two.

I don’t think the “Yes” vote will be too popular hereabouts.

GreyRanga
GreyRanga
October 5, 2023 6:19 pm

You are right BJ its time Australia grew up. ACT absorbed into NSW and Parliamentary Triangle the Capital instead of Das Kapital. No residential abodes within the Capital. Can youvhear the shrieks?

calli
calli
October 5, 2023 6:19 pm

Don’t I Johnny? No sense of humour or irony?

Here…have a Calli Card.

LOL!!!!!!!

Robert Sewell
October 5, 2023 6:20 pm

Dover Beach:
Multiple internal server errors, but only when replying to Sancho – My posting at 6:15 to Vicki got through OK.

Johnny Rotten
October 5, 2023 6:21 pm

Tragically, I have let down Australia and blown the whole Referendum debate (and $400 million) by overestimating my mad political skills.

Correction. “by overestimating my mad political………………………whoops. Where do I go next? mad?”

Go mad Elbow. You are mad BTW.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 5, 2023 6:22 pm

Within 24 hours one was spray painted “NO” and the other was pulled down and torn in two.

Dorpers with attitude.

pete of perth
pete of perth
October 5, 2023 6:22 pm

Landing in Sydney soon. 1.3 hours late as delayed due to congestion. Doing boglaps North of Canbra, waiting for a slot. Will there be a WTC upon touchdown?

Pogria
Pogria
October 5, 2023 6:23 pm

“Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán has reasserted his nation’s sovereignty, standing up to “the Soros empire, the Brussels bureaucrats and the Democrats in America.””
This autumn, Hungary’s opponents are expected to come forward to make their demands simultaneously,” Orbán stated in an October 3 speech in Budapest. “What the Soros empire, the Brussels bureaucrats and the Democrats in America want from us is what we cannot — and I think do not want to — give them.”

The Biden administration “will continue to want us involved in the war: to supply arms, and to give more money to Ukraine, or at least to allow Brussels to give Ukraine our money,” he declared.

“Hungary is a sovereign country. We will not become a migrant ghetto and we will not give up our right to have our own foreign and economic policy.

Brussels wants us to let migrants in and build migrant ghettos for them, to let sexual propaganda into schools, for us to yield economic decision-making powers to them,” he said, “and furthermore, to relinquish autonomous foreign policy, and the right to have foreign policy issues decided on a unanimous basis.”

They are “threatening that if we do not do all this, they will put continuous pressure on us, withhold funds from Brussels, and — through the coffers of the Soros empire — pay the Hungarian left, the Hungarian government’s domestic opponents,” he stated.

In response to these demands from the international left, Orbán said that Hungary does “not belong to the club of ‘Jawohl countries,’ who, when they receive a phone call from Brussels, simply answer: ‘Jawohl!’”

Secondly, he continued, “Hungary cannot allow anyone to restrict its independence and sovereignty. This is not only because of common sense, and not only because of historical experience, but also because the Hungarian constitution simply does not allow it, and indeed, expressly forbids it.”

“Hungary is a sovereign country,” Orbán summarized in an accompanying post on Twitter (X). “We will not become a migrant ghetto and we will not give up our right to have our own foreign and economic policy.”

I wish we had Politicians that loved Australia as much as Orban loves Hungary.

Johnny Rotten
October 5, 2023 6:25 pm

Dover Beach:
Multiple internal server errors, but only when sending nice helpful notes to Mrs Stencho Pantyhose and “Jer Cough Cretin”.

There must be a few bugs on the line.

Robert Sewell
October 5, 2023 6:28 pm

Dot:

The CCP know that reunification is preferable to most Taiwanese.

Dot, the Taiwanese have a very good idea of what will happen to them in a Communist takeover.
The firing squad, the Death/Organ Banks/ Slave camps for Re education.
They will fight with every weapon they have.
Like we thought the Japanese would do and didn’t.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 5, 2023 6:31 pm

Here…have a Calli Card.

LOL!!!!!!!

Haaaaa.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 5, 2023 6:33 pm

Throw out those supplements, B group vitamins and fish oil capsules.

110 year old gets a very special birthday surprise (Ncl local news, 5 Oct)

When you’re Australia’s oldest man, you’ve probably seen it all when it comes to birthday presents.

But when Grafton’s Ken Weeks turned 110 today, he was treated to a gift that was from right outside the box… or should that be, out of the tin.

His own line… of baked beans.

Yep, he says baked beans are the key to a long life. May you reach 120 sir! Perhaps though you could try something else cuisine-wise now that you’ve matured.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 5, 2023 6:34 pm

Johnny Rotten

Oct 5, 2023 6:25 PM

Dover Beach:
Multiple internal server errors, but only when sending nice helpful notes to Mrs Stencho Pantyhose and “Jer Cough Cretin”.

So, it’s working as planned.

Wally Dali
Wally Dali
October 5, 2023 6:35 pm

If I spray painted “Jawohl 23!” on a hustings somewhere, they’d ping me for hate speech.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 5, 2023 6:36 pm

Robert Sewell

Oct 5, 2023 6:20 PM

Dover Beach:
Multiple internal server errors, but only when replying to Sancho

Working beautifully.
Always look for Trojans.

Razey
Razey
October 5, 2023 6:36 pm

‘I am ready to fight for exactly what I went into parliament for, and that is for my country, my people.

LOL. Isn’t this moran 0.05% aboriginal? They have to change the definition of Aboriginal to 100% pure or maybe 50%. This is ridiculous, the other victimhood/virtue seekers can go jump, they are no more aboriginal than a recent Chinese immigrant.

Johnny Rotten
October 5, 2023 6:38 pm

The CCP know that reunification is preferable to most Taiwanese.

That sounds just like ex-Chairman Dan of Sictoria. Now gone, thank goodness.

Has anyone asked the Taiwanese or is democracy no longer tolerated?

Asking for 2 Billion friends of the Earth.

Tom
Tom
October 5, 2023 6:39 pm

How to kill your credibility: Peta Credlin introduces the foreign editor of the Paywallian as the “wonderful” Greg Sheridan.

Sheridan is a Never Trump clown and weather vane who decides what he says in public each day according to what makes him popular with a dumbed down Australian domestic audience fed its information about America by the dumbed-down Australian media.

He might as well be cheering for Elbow and the 32% who voted for him.

calli
calli
October 5, 2023 6:40 pm

Apologies to the blog. I rarely arc up at @rseholes. I thought I was over all that.

Johnny Rotten
October 5, 2023 6:43 pm

Razey
Oct 5, 2023 6:36 PM
‘I am ready to fight for exactly what I went into parliament for, and that is for my country, my people.

LOL. Isn’t this moran 0.05% aboriginal? They have to change the definition of Aboriginal to 100% pure or maybe 50%. This is ridiculous, the other victimhood/virtue seekers can go jump, they are no more aboriginal than a recent Chinese immigrant.

We are all original so just add an a and b at the front,

QED. Now, give me the money.

Dot
Dot
October 5, 2023 6:43 pm

Forgiveness please

Gongbangers?

Straight out of Chatham (House!)
Crazy MFer called Bellingcat
…he’s straight spitting facts
Fake news gotta support the Democrats!

I’ll put a MFer in a tunnel in a minute
Start a good Atlantic essay and go off in it
Straight at a opp you love called the Don
Indictments coming at ya boy, Straight Outta Chatham!

Alamak!
October 5, 2023 6:44 pm

1. Who has “confirmed”?

Harry Truman in EO 10290

Obama in EO 13526

DJ Trump when declassifying documents related to 2016 Election & Russia

US Justice Dept on the various programs in operation for declassification of docs

Justice Dept: Exemptions from standard declassification process

US National Archives on process for declassification of documents

Glenn Gerstell, former general counsel for the National Security Agency confirms no standing order claimed by Trump existed or was known by anyone in Trumps white house staff. Same was also backed up by Jihn Kelly, John Bolton and others.

US 11th Circuit Appeals Court

2. Specify the actual article in the law abiding with the constitutional rights of the president detailing “confirmation”.

See above, combination of EO dating back 90+ years and US Espionage act. The charges Trump is fighting do not rely on documents being classified in any case so his theory on how he declassified docs is not relevant and this was confirmed by Court.

Again, if Trump & his legal team believe this he can go all the way to Supreme Court for what he believes.

We don’t know what Trump and his team have in legal play and you don ‘t either.

See the discussions and rulings of US 11th Circuit. Whatever Trump is claiming has been shared with the Appeals Court and their judicial rulings exist until challenged at higher level.

So far nobody is buying this view.

100% not buying? Really?

Nobody who matters to the possibility of keeping Trump from being convicted and his former allies call him a liar on this issue. Believe him if you must but he is not on solid ground and will most likely fail in court.

Indolent
Indolent
October 5, 2023 6:44 pm
Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 5, 2023 6:47 pm

So, it’s working as planned.

The Deakin Telephone Exchange, simmering along beautifully.

Alamak!
October 5, 2023 6:47 pm

Forgiveness please

Time to invest in a better AI, Dot. Rhymes are weak and the wit is below mid.

Bruce of Newcastle
Bruce of Newcastle
October 5, 2023 6:48 pm

In communist Cuba, transporting half a sack of powdered milk is considered possession of an illegal substance and warrants arrest and a beating so brutal it kills you.

In Iran you can be beaten to death for wearing the wrong clothes.

Moment an Iranian girl, 16, is dragged unconscious from a train ‘after morality officers attacked her for failing to wear hijab leaving her fighting for life in a coma’ in echo of Mahsa Amini case (5 Oct)

Unsurprisingly Cuba and Iran are quite chummy.

Johnny Rotten
October 5, 2023 6:51 pm

Multiple internal server errors, but only when replying to Sancho

You left out your crony – “Jer Cough Cretin”. LOL. Now, he would not like to be left out would he/she/it/whatever?

Just asking for 2 billion friends,

Rockdoctor
Rockdoctor
October 5, 2023 6:52 pm

That this addled, fuked out lunatic is still in parliament says all you need to know about this shithole.

Aaannnddd not even censured by the Senate once despite her antics. Some ALP bint tut tuted after she was outed as a bikie mole whilst being on a Law & Order committee but I cannot find any evidence it was ever voted on let alone put to the Senate. Funnily enough she was acquitted of contempt of parliament over the same transgression.

Others like Hanson have been censured for less…

Lysander
Lysander
October 5, 2023 6:52 pm

How to kill your credibility: Peta Credlin introduces the foreign editor of the Paywallian as the “wonderful” Greg Sheridan.

Unlike Troy Bramstron, Chris Kenny and other swampies at Newscorp, Sheridan is a pretty good bloke. In a policy sense, he’s described Trump’s policies as “pretty good” but he doesn’t like the man personally – and he admits both publicly.

I’d probably stop short of “wonderful” but he’s not woeful.

Helen Davidson (nmrn)
Helen Davidson (nmrn)
October 5, 2023 6:53 pm

Lidia Thorpe has done more for the No campaign than any other person.

Don’t know about that. Marcia Langton is giving her some pretty stiff competition.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 5, 2023 6:56 pm

Daily Tele.

The Yes campaign for a Voice to Parliament has been caught out telling volunteers to change their messages about a possible future treaty with Aboriginal Australians depending on what kind of voter they were speaking to.

In the string of messages seen by this masthead, a volunteer understood to be making phone calls for the official Yes23 campaign on a recent evening asked at 6:41pm, “Hi guys, does anyone have a good script about treaty?”

“I just had a chat with someone about it and kinda got caught off guard,” the volunteer said.

One minute later, another participant in the chat understood to be a former Greens campaigner replied, “Probably depends whether they’re raising it because they’re scared of it, or because they think it’s important we move towards Treaty.”

Then, at 6:43pm, a third individual with the handle “Jonah-Yes23” after his name advised, “If they are pro treaty you can say that the Uluru statement from the heart asked for this (the Voice) before treaty, if they are anti treaty you can say it’s a purely advisory body.”

The issue of whether a Voice to Parliament would lead to a treaty has been one of the most contentious issues of the referendum campaign.

Davey Boy
October 5, 2023 6:57 pm

Having corresponded (as a volunteer) with ‘No’ coordinators (who are themselves grass-roots volunteers) for different western Sydney electorates I can confirm that there is a shortage of volunteers to cover booths for both pre-poll and polling day (and scrutineers).

As mentioned earlier my observation so far (pre-poll) is that in the case of western Sydney, for every ‘No’ volunteer there is a turnout of about 20 ‘Yes’ volunteers.

Imo there is no room for complacency. The message I am seeing is that the ‘No’ campaign would certainly appreciate even an hour or two of time from those who can contribute, either at prepoll or on polling day.

Having said that, it’s not obvious to me how the SFLs are adding value to the ‘No’ campaign, as they supposedly have taken over organising and delivering the logistics for the ‘No’ campaign here. Also as pointed out earlier, this is no surprise given the SFLs woeful efforts I saw firsthand in the latest NSW state election.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 5, 2023 6:58 pm

Knuckle Dragger

Oct 5, 2023 6:47 PM

So, it’s working as planned.

The Deakin Telephone Exchange, simmering along beautifully.

Hush yo’ mouth.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 5, 2023 6:59 pm

The Yes campaign? Mischievous? Nooooo.

Oh (The Hun):

The Yes campaign for a Voice to Parliament has been caught out telling volunteers to change their messages about a possible future treaty with Aboriginal Australians depending on what kind of voter they were speaking to.

In the string of messages seen by this masthead, a volunteer understood to be making phone calls for the official Yes23 campaign on a recent evening asked at 6:41pm, “Hi guys, does anyone have a good script about treaty?”

“I just had a chat with someone about it and kinda got caught off guard,” the volunteer said.

And:

One minute later, another participant in the chat understood to be a former Greens campaigner replied, “Probably depends whether they’re raising it because they’re scared of it, or because they think it’s important we move towards Treaty.”

Then, at 6:43pm, a third individual with the handle “Jonah-Yes23” after his name advised, “If they are pro treaty you can say that the Uluru statement from the heart asked for this (the Voice) before treaty, if they are anti treaty you can say it’s a purely advisory body.”

Jonah-Yes23 doesn’t really rhyme with PRguy17, but let’s run with it.

In May, Yes23 campaign director Dean Parkin said the question of treaty was “a chat for later”.

A spokesman for Fair Australia, which leads the No campaign, said, “the Yes campaign has made it clear they have a different story for anyone who asks.”

“Australians are not stupid. We know when someone is trying to sell us a dud.”

My wordy lordy, this is dishonest.

Dot
Dot
October 5, 2023 6:59 pm

Dot, the Taiwanese have a very good idea of what will happen to them in a Communist takeover.

I’m talking about in three+ generations time.

The CCP believe they can wait and so do the Blues. The Greens are falling out of favour to the Blue Greens. There is about 10-15% undecided.

If the CCP fell tomorrow, the pan Green coalition’s position on reunification would likely change. Sure if they want to be their own nation of Taiwan let it be, but their support is falling to 1/3 of the electorate.

Tsai Ing wen (not running in 2024) won her first election in 2016 convincingly at 56% over the KMT at 32% and PFP at 12% (and who probably are defunct now).

Now it’s a genuine, very close, three cornered race, the Blue Greens are on the rise with 10-15% undecided and they use first past the post for Presidential elections.

(Peaceful reunification after the CCP falls is ideal – there’s no guarantee that is what the world will get).

Lysander
Lysander
October 5, 2023 6:59 pm

And in another episode of dollars don’t make sense…

A doc friend (who earns in an hour what i earn a week) is voting “yes” because we live on stolen land. Wouldn’t accept my reasonable questions cos “the feelz.”

It confirms my widely held belief that medical doctors make the worst voters.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
October 5, 2023 7:00 pm

Snappity snap snap.

Dot
Dot
October 5, 2023 7:02 pm

Alamak!
Oct 5, 2023 6:47 PM
Forgiveness please

Time to invest in a better AI, Dot. Rhymes are weak and the wit is below mid.

I will take your criticism eagerly if you have listened to No Vaseline or Gangsta Party whilst doing a bench press or squats with a bro.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 5, 2023 7:02 pm

Completely random question.
Is anyone else a member of Defence Health?
I just got an email from the CEO apologising for the shit service over the last few months.
Being something of an Adonis, I haven’t had cause to lodge manual claims (only a few HiCaps claims for Mrs P which went through OK), so haven’t noticed anything.
Is there something I should know?

Dot
Dot
October 5, 2023 7:06 pm

Calm down Mr Hatzsis and stop crank calling the local pool.

Rabz
October 5, 2023 7:07 pm

On Blot now, some j’ismist imbecile being quoted: “Dinosaur dickhead ray martin didn’t know anything about his aboriginal ancestry”

Funnily enough, that’s because he has no aboriginal ancestry.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
October 5, 2023 7:07 pm

A doc friend (who earns in an hour what i earn a week) is voting “yes” because we live on stolen land.

Riddle me this, thrill seekers. Can you steal something from someone who claimed not to own it, in the first place?

Pogria
Pogria
October 5, 2023 7:09 pm

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calli
Oct 5, 2023 6:40 PM
Apologies to the blog. I rarely arc up at @rseholes. I thought I was over all that.

Calli,
were you a scrag fighter in your early years? 😀
Do you remember the “secret wrist burn and sac yank?” 😀

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 5, 2023 7:10 pm

I’ve hired my own black army…and this parliament has to pay for the black army, not the army that continues to violate black men and black women in this country,’ she added.

I didn’t have “Civil War starting in Canberra” on my Bingo card.

Viva
Viva
October 5, 2023 7:14 pm

We just voted in Potts Point. “Yes” posters festooned the surroundings as far as the eye can see. It was the same when the Teals were favoured by the locals. Only one lonely brave No poster.

Indolent
Indolent
October 5, 2023 7:15 pm
Tom
Tom
October 5, 2023 7:16 pm

Ray Martin is on Nein’s A Currrent Affair explaining why he thinks a majority of Australians are too stupid to vote Yes on the Voice.

Martin personifies what’s wrong with the Australian news media: elitist, arrogant, out of touch rich old white blokes determined to maintain the paternalistic up yours that runs the blackfella industry.

BTW, ACA host Ally Langdon held her own against Martin’s smartarsery.

Indolent
Indolent
October 5, 2023 7:17 pm
pete of perth
pete of perth
October 5, 2023 7:17 pm

Wakanda is onboard with Lidea

H B Bear
H B Bear
October 5, 2023 7:19 pm

It confirms my widely held belief that medical doctors make the worst voters.

They get quite upset if you say they are more dependent on the government than the average houso too.

calli
calli
October 5, 2023 7:20 pm

No Pogs. More a shin kick and shove in the playground.

Later, much later and where required, an hour’s notice.

Good times.

Sancho Panzer
Sancho Panzer
October 5, 2023 7:26 pm

I didn’t have “Civil War starting in Canberra” on my Bingo card.

I know it’s a $66 chance, but I’ve got it as value kicker in a few of my multis.

Indolent
Indolent
October 5, 2023 7:26 pm

Dr. John Campbell

Vitamin D, now conclusive

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 5, 2023 7:28 pm

David says: “Never trust a computer you can’t throw out the window”.*

After getting inadvertently locked into that hired low-slung beast of an Audi 5 (not a Q5) I am now so wary of electronic faults. Even our current hired SUV has done strange computer notification things with tyre issues (now fixed by garage man) and occasionally the electric window on the driver’s side refuses to go up or down. I’m hoping it won’t be the doors next!

At least most planes now have an override function so that pilots can take over. I think it may come to that for cars, where you can lock off electronic functions and turn them to manual to at least stop and get out. Hope so.

feelthebern
feelthebern
October 5, 2023 7:29 pm

Then, at 6:43pm, a third individual with the handle “Jonah-Yes23” after his name advised, “If they are pro treaty you can say that the Uluru statement from the heart asked for this (the Voice) before treaty, if they are anti treaty you can say it’s a purely advisory body.”

Bwahahahhaha

Morsie
Morsie
October 5, 2023 7:29 pm

Watching Poms v Kiwis at World Cup.
Hardly anyone there.Lots of noise but no crowd.

Indolent
Indolent
October 5, 2023 7:29 pm
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
October 5, 2023 7:30 pm

This current vehicle we are in is a hybrid. You can’t seem to avoid them in Europe.

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