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Just shameful
I doubt that could be true, but if so:
1) that should help the staff shortages
2) presumably the ATO will tax at a lower rate too then?
The Liars see themselves as the natural party of government. Even from Opposition where they spend most of the time.
Elbow is now a slow-motion train wreck.
His signature promise when he was elected in 2022 has just been rejected decisively in a referendum.
He now has no mandate. His government is listless and drifting in a sea of ministerial incompetence.
Australians are now working out that the Elbow regime not only has no answer for the cost-of-living crisis, but has caused most of it through its disastrous energy policies.
Elbow is a dead man walking. Time for the Faceless Men to wheel out on the next corpse.
Can we now stop claiming the AEC is run like a US Democratic state electoral office?
Well, they did promise!
They will pay exactly the same tax as a percentage of their income as they did before.
The more you earn the more likely you will step into a higher tax bracket, that’s how it works.
Arise Tits Shorten!
Nor is it called ‘television programming’ for no reason.
I fear Marcia is about to discover that she doesn’t speak for all aboriginal people.
(Alas.)
And you end up getting it back when you reconcile with the ATO at the end of the year.
Perfect
local oaf at 10:37
Possibly. Divide and conquer is a favourite of all socialists throughout history. Probably best regarded as a vanity project of the Liar Left faction, last seen when KRuddy opened the borders to boats.
Of course, they lie about the true inflation numbers just like they lie about everything (‘falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus’). Its the same here, whatever inflation number they admit to, double it as a starter.
local oaf
Yes. But this is exactly what worked during covid. People shut down their own businesses solely to avoid being called a granny killer. Labor, not unreasonably, assumed the same strategy would work again.
And I suspect it would have if not for Dutton and Price. People become a lot braver when they know there at least a few prominent people who share the same views.
Bullying is a funny thing.
It can work. Or it can turn against you.
It worked for the covid communists but it made middle Australia despise the Yes communists.
Goes to show how stupid ScoMo was for capitulating to lockdowns. If he had held out for just a couple of months the tide would have turned and we wouldn’t have seen a 20 odd per cent fall in living standards not to mention complete upending of human rights.
Give us a spell, Black Ball.
The Liars are many things, but they’re nothing like the Stupid Frigging Liberals in Victoria.
What they will now do is wheel out a woman to take the electoral fall for the pardy. If it’s not the Slovenian Hag, it will be some other Joan Kirner type.
I reckon a veil lifted from their eyes when Aboriginals realized most of them don’t see the majority of the $40 billion supposedly spent on them.
I found it incredible that Noel from Noosa raked in $550 million around a decade for Far North communities without any audits.
Price kept pounding this.
Standing tall against public opinion wasn’t SloMo’s long suit.
— The (UK) Telegraph
Yep. Hard to see them burning a next generation leader at this point.
Jeez Louise. Babies, toddlers arrested?
Which may account for Pearson’s verbal abuse of her during the campaign.
Regarding inflation, I keep saying that I want teh address of teh supermarket where things have only gone up by 5%.
Practicalities make it a few years yet before she could anyway. She’d have to switch from the Senate to the reps, and she wasn’t able to win against Warren Snowdon’s voteherds in the previous election. Which then means a serious question what safe Lib seat could she be given. That’s a toughie.
On the other hand having Jacinta as Opposition Leader going into an election would be one of the most entertaining political spectacles ever seen in Australia. The MSM would be completely tied in knots for a start.
These do not look like AK-47s. Were they sourced from Afganistan? or the corrupt elements of the Ukraine government
On Twitter. It actually is amazing when you see it put this way.
You go girl.
oint.
They do not have a tony Blair type “next generation” leader who will calm the horses before slaughter
Dickhead Tony Abbott still talking up reconciliation, saying Australian want it.
No, Tony. Shutup. We just voted it down. Even Abos are saying reconciliation is dead.
There’s nothing to reconcile between me or any Australian alive today and any Abo. Shut down this black armband view of History.
How does the Liberal party choose these cucks?
Whoops, I left out the last bit.
Iran’s foreign minister has just completed a tour of Iraq, Syria & Lebanon, warning of “a huge earthquake in the Zionist entity” if it proceeds with operations in Gaza.
They’re AK rifles.
The magazines go in flush to the receiver. AR-15s don’t.
Actually Peanut Head wouldn’t be a bad choice, established profile and known quantity. They did it when the loony Left Gillard experiment ran off the rails with KRuddy 2.0. Personally I think Peanut Head is unelectable but 2 years in the job with a new Treasurer who knows? On everything except IR the Liar Right is practically indispensable from the Lieborals anyway.
flyingduk
Oct 15, 2023 10:51 AM
WOW, JUST WOW.
https://tippinsights.com/bidenflation-climbs-to-17-0-hurting-americans/
Look at the table of CPI and their calculated inflation rates, and the differences.
Of course, they lie about the true inflation numbers just like they lie about everything (‘falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus’). Its the same here, whatever inflation number they admit to, double it as a starter.
flyingduk,
besides my Gas Electricity Crages up by over 40% – GIO nicely says on Home & Contents Insurance
“Change on Last Year* 34.8%“
And Idiot Labor & Albosleezy wasted $400 Million on Voice Referendum and Blackout Bowen haven’t seen the $275 reduction in my Electricty Bill!
Voice No voters celebrate Marcia Langton’s vow never to perform a Welcome to Country ceremony again
While I admire Jacinta, promoting her to Opposition Leader or PM would be the Peter Principle in action. She is perfectly placed exactly where she is.
I remember how well Scott Morrison performed as a Minister to stop the boats, but was a disaster as PM.
Like Scott, Jacinta will do extremely well with a clear single objective and the backing of her leader. Trying to broaden her remit will end in failure.
Sydney’s Inner West Council will fly Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Flags at half-mast this coming week on all council buildings, its mayor has said.
Inner West Mayor Darcy Byrne – whose council overlaps with Prime Minister Anthony Albanese’s seat of Grayndler – told The Australian the decision was out of “respect” for what Indigenous leaders had called for.
Most are. The scum in the center of the shot is holding an AR type magazine, which would fit in any of the literally millions of AR rifles built since the late 1950s.
The AR (M-4, M-16, etc.) series has more modification accessories than any rifle ever produced so attempting to ID it by its sight or stock isn’t going to work. Only the upper and lower receivers are common
Oz, Duk
If you’re inflation numbers are correct, why isn’t this reflected
1/. 10 year bond rate
2/. TIPs spread, which are the inflation adjusted bonds?
Are bond market participants complete imbeciles, while that site owner is a financial genius. How short bords is he?
I’m asking as someone, who’s trading bonds through TDT only on the short side for around 2 years.
We’ll continue getting welcome to country.
The money’s too good.
= bonds
Yes Tom you are right.
I say this because Tits doesn’t need to have the distraction of an election. Labor are in power so I can see him getting the knives out.
Minns gets a test.
NSW Police brace for trouble at Pro-Palestine rally in Sydney (15 Oct)
Will he have an actual spine? Ok, yes, that was a rhetorical question.
Helen Davidson (nmrn) at 11:22
Unfortunately PM office is like a CEO. You never really know how people will go until they’re in the big chair. Some step up, others falter. The best audition is a long spell as Leader of the Opposition. Even that is no guarantee, see Tony Abbott. Although I would argue he wasn’t given a full opportunity even (especially?) by his own party.
sympathetic to the Palestinian cause at Hyde Park in the CBD.
While civilian hostages are being held, these are pro-Hamas rallies.
Zatara, FSU look the goods.
Interesting to see if the hamarse supporters
receive the same treatment as anti-lockdown supporters.
ftb – only the softest soap will do
I’m not expecting rubber bullets.
Unfortunately PM office is like a CEO. You never really know how people will go until they’re in the big chair. Some step up, others falter.
So true. I have had brief stints heading local govt committees, member of a college committee and a state syllabus committee. I am spectacularly unsuited to the “give & take” of such organisations. Surprise, surprise!
However, some light moments ……at one local government meeting I chaired, a squatter in an empty house called me “a plastic vagina”!!!!!!
The AR15 style rifle is supposedly IDed as
probably a trophy rifle from the IDF. Probably not from Afghanistan.
duk, the overtime thing is real, I’ve seen the email from the agency. I’m not a fan of overtime rates, I work for myself and certainly don’t get them. I’m just bemused that a Labor Gov is taking them away, I don’t know if it’s just agency staff or all staff.
Few want to work in the NT so I can just se more staff shortages, that’s all.
But the Left are in power in Labor and Shorten is of the Right.
Even if the factions did a deal there’s no guarantee they’d get it passed the membership.
Just on Scott Morrison, whom I did not like as PM, who I think squandered too many opportunities and preferred to play safe, I was told last that in the aftermath of the atrocities in Israel, he personally rang and spoke to a rabbi I know, and on Friday night he and Jenny Morrison attended a Kabbalat Shabbat service at a synagogue here in Sydney’s eastern suburbs.
That is pretty much the problem. Both in Victoriastan and Federally. Albo didn’t get past da bruvvas the first time.
Riots and violence erupting across Europe’s cities. Immigrants and moslem nationals in support of Hamas slaughtering babies, teens , women and the elderly.
Several years ago Merkel and the EU threw open their borders and let millions of young males in- because inclusion, equality and feelz. But actually it was to import voteherds. Who have turned predictably violent. The Conservative parties should hopefully benefit hugely from this self imposed chaos and destruction. Orban is being vindicated daily.
I remember how well Scott Morrison performed as a Minister to stop the boats, but was a disaster as PM.
I can’t really argue with that. I recall being incredibly impressed with him when he spoke on “Australian values” at the Sydney Institute ( I think in 2010) during the “Cronulla riots”. Likewise I thought he performed very very well as a Minister “stopping the boats” when the luvvies threw everything at him when refugees drowned.
But as PM I was increasingly appalled – particularly when he failed to comprehend the impact on rural communities of the millennial Drought, followed by horrendous bushfires. Just didn’t “get” the challenges of life on the land.
He also increasingly isolated himself from some of his better advisers. And made monumental bad assessments of those around him.
I was told last that in the aftermath of the atrocities in Israel, he personally rang and spoke to a rabbi I know, and on Friday night he and Jenny Morrison attended a Kabbalat Shabbat service
So pleased to hear that.
I think it was more to do with the very effective people he had actually running that show. Scotty from Marketing did a great job promoting his own brand.
The government is a huge participant, so…
A (now) coastie who previously lived and worked in Canberra for 40 years.
Vicki at 11:57 – even though the quote is mine, probably closer to a Chairman than a CEO. I never sought out leadership roles and was happy to stay in the shadows. There are certainly people who thrive in them and others who don’t. The CFO to CEO step is a good example. Plenty make it, not all succeed.
I remain convinced that PM SloMo was more about ensuring there was no PM Spud than anything. Yes Minister fans would understand.
That rifle in the picture also appears to have a bolt-on 40mm grenade launcher. it does have AR style front sights. That particular folding stock does not look like any US military one I am familiar with.
One other possibility is it is a civilian 5.56 AR style semi-auto rifle with a few go-faster accessories such as magpul grips and such. There are zillions of those about, including one in my safe. Can’t tell it from the full-auto one unless you see the selector switch.
Plibbers would have to be in the mix.
Age is chasing her down. So I’m not sure whether she qualifies as a ‘next generation leader’ to be strategically preserved for an election held in 5 years time (fag end of this government, plus a term in Opposition).
She’s been deathly quiet over the course of the Albanese Faceplant – not even sprinkling a little out-of-portfolio fairy dust as has Shorten.
A prime candidate for the role of energetic, cleanskin, no-nonsense, sleeves rolled up, good-government-lost-it’s-way-due-to-unrelenting-negativity saviour of the Nation.
At 60 something? Perhaps not so much.
A promise with the same value as all of the other lies they told.
Don’t think this global boiling shit passes the pub test. Farking cold here with a strong southerly. If only we could have some sort of tax to control the weather…
flyingduk
Oct 15, 2023 10:40 AM
It will cut the wages bill if the union doesn’t see it for what it is – i.e. the thin edge of the wedge, just waiting to be put in place for all the other wukkas.
Secondly, the wages aren’t actually that good when you take into account the lost holidays, sick leave etc. The margin paid to Agency Nurses doesn’t really cover the losses. The BIG cost savings will come from the Agency fees, and they are formidable.
Thirdley, the NT government will save money because RNs won’t work for shit wages when NSW, Qld, and WA will be paying far more.
The only persons losing will, again, be the remote settlements who will miss out on the expertise of the Remote Area Nurses that will go elsewhere.
Sure is and not in a good way.
The latest bond auction was a flop And the Fed is selling down it’s balance sheet of Govt securities. For now. The interest bill to the USG on treasuries now exceeds Defence spending in the context of already horrendous budget deficits. New debt issuance is at vastly higher rates than the retiring debt. The situation with US interest payments on now $33 Trillion (and skyrocketing) debt is heading to sh*t. Gold jumped $60 on Friday. That’s not all ME pump IMO.
What control do they have as the issuer? They have zero control in that respect other than maturity selection. They may have some control with monetary policy, but that’s an entirely different story.
Tits is hardly a “next generation leader”, and he does have the appropriate secondary sex characteristics.
Okay, so nakkas explain that if the Fed is having an issuance problem how does that suggest it controls the market. Give us the hard macro here and don’t call people liars because they disagree. Also, don’t call for Dover’s help because I doubt he’d come running for anyone’s assistance.
Viewing bond prices and nothing else? What about the options market the same bonds, the combined equity/options prices and commodities?
If the rates don’t go up, they can be signalling an expectation of lower growth as purchasing power has been smashed, as well as crowding out, etc.
You can’t say they don’t show initiative:
Illegal aliens build a town of 40 000 NE of Houston TX (where the jobs are).
Projected to become a city of 100 000 in 10 years.
And it’s not the only such community in Texas, where a $500 deposit will get you a small house block on which you can make a start by living in a tent.
I guess Homeland Security doesn’t want to know.
Australia:
Land? 600k-800k, please.
Shut up shortarse, you worthless fkg grub. Your sh*t posting isn’t worth a civil response, so you get this. It’s not people who lie- it’s you.
Not what I said. Caught lying , again? The USG Treasury issues debt, dummy. Here’s what I did say;
” the Fed is selling down it’s balance sheet of Govt securities. For now”
It must be said that even though we on this blog dont all get along, and in Australia most of us here have little time for the lefties. But one thing is certain. Noone from either side wants to behead the oppositions little babies, rape their women and slaughter their people. There is only one group of people that wants and does this, we all know who they are.
Or a better way of saying it would be to view financial markets in their entirety. That’s really all we have in terms of signaling the good and the bad. That’s really all humanity has as financial markets are great a discounting. Certainly better than gripping onto some stupid website suggesting inflation is running at a gazillion percent, and because it supports one’s bias, then it must be true.
Yes and no. There’s embedded demand and supply issues in commodities, especially if one just looks at individual commods. Perhaps the Goldman Sachs index could be used as an indicator, but personally, I just prefer the bond markets. There was a serious short-term shortage of wheat last year that caused a temporary gallop in wheat prices. Is that inflation or a supply shock? I’d call it a supply shock.
Don’t forget the definition of inflation. It’s a rise in the general price level of goods and services.
As for options, Option prices are tied to the underlying
Depends. As Sumner keeps repeating over and over again, you know. Never argue from a price change. It basically means you have to understand what’s causing prices to move before you can explain it.
Nakkas, stop talking to me then -even indirectly- as you have zero to offer. You’re basically an idiot thinking he’s smarter than he is. Seriously, just bugger off or ask for Dover’s assistance in helping you with the vapers.
Lying to you means that someone disagrees with you. So fcuck off. You have nothing to say that’s ever worthwhile, which is why I ignore your crap.
Sure Dot, but is it the same value when looked at in terms of reserve currency US dollar? It’s 62.94 cents worth. It’s not.
stop talking to me then
You fkg puny moron.
My comment at 12.22 was responding to dotty, not you. Then you slimed in later with your usual vile response.
So stfu yourself with responding to any of my posts. Just scroll, dickhead.
Really? Then post your stupid comment to Dot then instead of insinuating yourself in a two way conversation and you don’t want to other person to participate. You dishonest idiot.
I do, except the times you’re posting some stupid pissweak comment indirectly tied to something I said.. with that look, look at me, style you often display. Now take a hike Nakkas.
A little late realising who his real friends are.
I suspect there was a nudge from Jenny.
Definitely. Less “new generation”, more R-G-R dead wood. I don’t think that is necessarily a exclusionary factor.
Turtlehead
After you’re finished messing around with the furious ticking, I suggest you should post some sort of apology for your first prediction, that the ref was going to be stolen- that was before the second prediction that the Yes side was going to win in dramatic fashion.
The acceptable face of Labor’s Left.
Heads up if she dons an Akubra on her next visit to the bush.
I reckon he would have gone with the YES vote too if he was leading the opposition.
No, well, it probably can’t be, or they’re left with Dim Jim or something similarly unattractive.
I guess everyone in Caucus will be holding their breaths for a while, wondering if the blame deflection onto Dutton has legs.
And watching each other intently for first sign of the traditional “the Prime Minister has my complete support…”
Just to confirm why they picked Hyde Park. Outside the Great Synagogue today.
All class.
Here he is earlier.
Clearly been in a lush paddock.
If Dutton doesn’t use the spotlight to effectively shred Albo and all his destructive policies, then we know the SFL’s are still wimps. Has Jacinta put spine into the LNP? I doubt it.
That one has been workshopped to death since the moment they realised they had lost…around ten days ago.
The sheer amount of parroting is the giveaway.
The acceptable face of Labor’s Left.
LayBore’s Left has NO acceptable face.
We can move on now that Australians have rejected changes to the Constitution that favors one bitter, nasty little corner of all its people. (Marcia, that bloke and the other bloke and Megan included)
Reconcilliation is a complete farce, just used for grifting funds and favor from governments.
Ditto the welcome to country rubbish with zero substance behind it, borrowed from north americans anyway.
What do you reckon none of the Yes campaigners give it up or admit they misread it or got it wrong?
Anything to avoid the awful truth that people rejected this Voice BS on their own and were not just led like cattle.
Have some respect, apologise and go and find a different lifestyle to bludging off the taxpayers. Stop blaming others for your poor decisions in life.
Hopefully it goes down to Zimbabwean levels and gold hits BTC highs.
I am entitled to a better life. 😐
They can parrot all they like.
All the public hears is screeching.
Well, she’s easier on the eye than Albo.
That being said, I was making an observation, not offering an endorsement.
Perhaps we should start a campaign to donate the money for welcome ceremonies to outback projects benefitting aboriginal kids and communities. eg sports training, flying doctor service or similar.
BJ I’m going to join the greens so I can hand out HTV cards in Grayndler.
Dot
We’re all entitled to a better life.
Here’s a chart on the Goldie commodity Index.
Notice, that if you extend the chart to “max”, it shows two highs.
One high of 759 back in 2011 and then a more recent one of 808 in June 2022. It’s now trading at 596. Is that telling us inflation is heading higher or that its peaked and heading lower. I don’t care too much for the index as a good inflation indicator, but if you’re going to use it, I would suggest it’s indicating a slower inflation rate for the moment.
How about the Bloomberg index, which has less of an energy weighting?
Bloomberg’s too would suggest inflation is heading lower, if you want to also use commodities.
Recent Scorecard:
Voice – Rejected
NZ – Conservatives elected, horseface out
Germany – 2 major state wins for conservatives, greens and pro-illegal immigrant crowd getting crushed.
Luxembourg – Greens collapse big time.
EU – Political backing for EU green deal falls apart.
Slovaks – Appear to be going “far right”, meaning what these days?
Poland – ?
I haven’t watched Skah or Insiders for a long time, but did briefly last night (before heading out to a 40th birthday) and this morning.
Some brief observations:-
1. The whingeing about “a lack of bipartisan support” aimed at Dutton. Firstly, the underlying premise is that once a proposal is put forward which is deemed to be “worthy”, everyone should fall into line. Secondly, Luigi had ample opportunity to provide more detail and/or specify limits to da Voice to garner bi-partisan support. He did neither, so he is guilty of ignoring the “art of the compromise”, but apparently the bipartisan accusation doesn’t apply to him.
2. Following on from that, the use of the word “blame” in relation to Dutton. How can the word “blame” be attached to someone who openly supported one side of the argument? And won?
3. Miss Information had a big role to play.
4. The word “Lies” has been assigned a new meaning. Spears asks Leeser on Insiders “The claim that this would divide us by race. Isn’t that a lie?”. Firstly, it is demonstrably true that da Voice was racially based. Non indigenes need not apply. Secondly, how is someone’s prediction that this might cause social discord in the future be a “lie”? It is an opinion.
5. Operation “Saving Private Luigi” is in full swing. Four separate commentators (Speers, Clennell and Murphy/McCallum on 3AW) deflected into “big problems for Dutton”, either because Teal seats voted Yes, or because “Dutton is now seen to be negative”. They completely ignored the vast swathes of ALP heartland which voted No. It’s almost as if the mantra was agreed months ago that this will be the end of Dutton, and they are just wishing it to be true.
6. Chris Kenny has about a week to save his job at Skah News. From the first minute of the coverage he couldn’t hide his visceral hatred of No voters (99.931% of the Skah audience).
Nice summing up there, Sanchez.
Morrison won’t have any real friends.
Hey, what’d I do?
Kenny what an effing deadshit
Quite so.
Feelthebern, Rosie and myself (among others) were at pains to point out to the Chicken Littles here the reasons why a US-style Big Steal was very difficult to pull off in an Australian referendum.
And here we are.
Apologies accepted.
(I blame the iodine).
“Saving Private Luigi”. Chuckle.
I thought Computershare was Gunna steel it. I wouldn’t put anything past anal tbh
He has maybe a week, I reckon. His rage at the stupid common people who had the effrontery to disagree with the view from behind Kenny’s desk was very, very clear.
As Christopher Molisante would say, ‘there’ll be a sit down’.
It’s amazing how many of the evil, black-hearted racists who voted NO yesterday want Jacinta Price to be PM.
Some want her to start on Monday, others want her to be shown around the traps first, but there is certainly a fair fraction in favour of the idea. Despite being evil, aborigine hating racists. Strange, that.
These meja parasites like Fartin are poisonous and shallow. No reasoned argument just crude insults. Waste of space.
Caro is another example.
We can move on now that Australians have rejected changes to the Constitution
I am very worried that Australians have accepted such an illegitimate referendum paper as legit. In fact, I’m stunned that any of the powers that be handballed it through.
Contrast what would have happened in the ’99 ref. Much argy about the wording, much bargy about clarity and conciseness, but it did comply in that the exact content to be deleted and/or inserted to the constitution was spelled out, section by section, on the ballot paper where the pencils landed. That was one of the main memes floated after the loss, that the proposal was deliberately complicated to spike the vote- and i’ll remind Cats that it was a close fought loss, only a 10% margin on a 95% turnout.
Imagine if the ’99 referendum was instead worded:
“A proposed law: to alter the Constitution to establish an Australian Head of State. Do you approve of the proposal?”
One, the conservatives would never have accepted it.
Two… we’d be living under President Langton right now, shipping our young men off to the UN forces securing Gaza for the Internationale. Think on that for a minute.
Yeah, it’s sad when their careers go too early like that.
A sort-of segue from the Kenny debacle:
The entire referendum thing – all $360 million of it – just highlighted the gulf between cossetted upper-middle class mongs in deeply urban environments* who have never walked on anything other than carpet or concrete, and ordinary taxpayers wondering where their money went.
It’s the ‘we know better, you stupid plebs, do as you’re told’ syndrome so commonly found in Canberran corridors.
That all six States and one of the two Territories very effectively told the scarf-dragging doctors’ wives that it was they who weren’t in touch, rather than the other way around is a sack whack of gigantic proportions.
*Yes I know that not all upper-middles in the cities are mongs.
As the bloke said to his wife in that legendary TV ad – ‘Befooore you staaart….’
LOL…this old chestnut. People should be more worried about who gets appointed to the bench. At least the President would have gotten a token vetting. The machinery was analogous to ours in nearly all other ways. Very well drafted.
I know nothing of stats, but wouldn’t say 30% of the NO vote have come from Labor people?
The veins bulging like purple knotted cords won’t last 3 days.
Remember the Martians from Mars Attacks?
I’m expecting them to say Jacinta Price is not a real Aboriginal coz her dad is white.
Suck sh*t you w*nker.
—
steveinman:
Hamas/Palestine supporters burn Israel flag and get burned
Sheesh!
There’s a name for that, but I’m not great with latin.
Kenny had that rarest of beasts.
The Reverse Schadenboner.
37 degrees in D-Town.
Yeah baby!
Sounds painful.
If it doesn’t subside within 4 hours, apply a poultice of ground fresh chili and Deep Heat.
Good idea, mem. Watch them wriggle and squirm as they try to keep their grubby fingers on the ill-gotten loot.
Miltonf
My understanding, open to correction, is that Computershare’s main business is maintaining shareholder records.
If so, that business relies absolutely on trust. Even the faintest hint of fiddling with voting records would see that trust evaporate, and the main business go down the gurgler.
Perhaps their bosses, unlike others, are focused on the main event, and will not risk that for a marginal benefit?
KD
And most (but not necessarily all) of the doctors’ wives don’t even have a sack to whack.
AnAl got 32% of the primary vote last election, the Slime around 13%, and the Wood Ducks, who ran in only a few seats, perhaps a couple of percent in total.
The Slime and Wood Ducks remained solid, giving around 15% between them, plus a couple of percent more from the seats that did not have Wood Duck candidates last year, adding up to around 17%. That leaves only around 23% of last time’s Liars voters staying loyal (less, IMHO, looking at the votes in solid Liar seats).
So, at a guess, at least 9%, probably more, Labor voters abandoned AnAl.
If they do, then around 80% of “claimed” aboriginals will, on that judgement, cease to be such, effectively eliminating aborigines from Tassie andVicco, and reducing their numbers substantially in NSW, Queensssssland, WA and Mainland Tassie.
They might be stupid and angry, but are they yet that stupid and angry?
I’m dead against pre-polling or postal voting for one simple reason: It spreads the scrutineering resources too thin to be an effective disincentive to cheating.
Especially for a referendum, which has far-reaching consequences – potentially greater than an election, the parties just don’t have the scrutineering capacity.
The AEC is made up of individuals, mostly of the left, and they need to see monitoring to keep their behaviour on track.
Best model is single day voting. If you can’t make it, bad luck and apply for an exemption. Concentrate all the resources on that day.
Elections are not made honest through transparency or independence, they are made honest through vigilance by those with a vested interest in the outcome.
Sorry if the data below looks a bit messy.
It is, according to my butcher’s paper, the 58 (fifty eight) seats won by Labor in 2022, which returned a No vote at the referendum.
Shows ranking of 2022 TPP margin, State, Seat, 2022 TPP margin (in raw votes) and No % 2023.
The first one (Kingston in SA) is held by Amanda Rishworth on a 2PP of 66:33 and voted 65% No at the referendum.
Only one Liberal held seat voted Yes.
But apparently Dutton has a problem out of this.
State Electorate TPP Margin 2022 No %
1 SA Kingston 35766 65%
2 WA Fremantle 33117 53%
3 WA Brand 31977 69%
4 VIC Hotham 28562 51%
5 NSW Barton 28485 56%
6 VIC Scullin 28400 63%
7 WA Burt 27858 67%
8 SA Spence 27409 72%
9 SA Adelaide 26868 50%
10 NSW Chifley 26175 60%
11 NSW Watson 25893 58%
12 VIC Ballarat 25040 59%
13 VIC Corio 24894 54%
14 NSW Blaxland 24401 62%
15 VIC Bendigo 24157 59%
16 SA Makin 23246 68%
17 NSW Greenway 23189 57%
18 VIC Lalor 22704 54%
19 QLD Oxley 22124 60%
20 NSW Whitlam 22029 65%
21 WA Cowan 21566 63%
22 VIC Calwell 21069 56%
23 QLD Lilley 20875 53%
24 SA Hindmarsh 19743 62%
25 NSW Macarthur 18951 65%
26 VIC Gorton 18434 62%
27 WA Swan 17556 56%
28 WA Pearce 17164 69%
29 QLD Moreton 16824 51%
30 NSW Eden-Monaro 16649 61%
31 NSW Richmond 16424 57%
32 NSW McMahon 16084 65%
33 QLD Rankin 15962 64%
34 VIC Corangamite 15353 52%
35 NSW Macquarie 14834 57%
36 VIC Hawke 13298 65%
37 NSW Dobell 13265 65%
38 VIC Holt 12658 56%
39 VIC Bruce 12550 58%
40 VIC Chisholm 12378 50%
41 VIC Dunkley 12008 56%
42 WA Hasluck 11819 66%
43 NSW Werriwa 11715 61%
44 NSW Shortland 11671 62%
45 QLD Blair 10903 70%
46 NT Solomon 10327 65%
47 NSW Reid 10176 53%
48 NSW Hunter 8673 71%
49 NSW Parramatta 7695 55%
50 NSW Paterson 7609 71%
51 SA Boothby 7451 52%
52 VIC McEwen 6277 61%
53 WA Tangney 5114 59%
54 NSW Robertson 4344 58%
55 NSW Bennelong 1954 52%
56 TAS Lyons 1344 68%
57 NT Lingiari 866 56%
58 NSW Gilmore 373 62%
Where is everyone?
Schadenboner
Hungover or still drinking or both.
ScoMo didn’t “capitulate”. He went into it full bore and full voice. Remember him saying that everyone MUST be vaccinated? His own minders had to rein him in.
ScoMo was and is an outright traitor.
BoN – just saw an ad on the Teev for Movember, with soundtrack by – The HU!
Mind you, the pale and scrawny males seen striding forward to the music were a bit of an embarrassment compared to the real thing.
But it goes to show that Mongolian rock has penetrated Australian adland, which is remarkable. Who’da thunk it? 🙂
the 58 (fifty eight) seats won by Labor in 2022, which returned a No vote at the referendum.
I think the greens like their chances of 10 seats in 2025.
Leftards, mUnty-like, whistling in the dark. See mUnty’s reaction to any suggestion that outer suburban working class and “tradie” seats are vulnerable to a respectable non-Liars campaign.
S.A.
State that will introduce the Voice despite referendum fail
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Retired Israeli general who rescued his family under siege from Hamas is being compared on social media to Liam Neeson’s character in ‘Taken’
Once, I Was a Peace Advocate. Now, I Have No Idealism Left.
I think the Teals will lose some paint next election, but some of these Voice votes might indicate that their electorates delusions are pretty ingrained.
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The astonishing courage of Hamas defenders’ convicti…RUN AWAY!!!
ABC is flat-out cope posting on Twitter
…despite leaving Twitter
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Fact check: True
Yet postal votes are running 70% no which suggests that the awful aec are doing their job as they ought.
Aren’t the majority of those counting temporary employees?
Not allowing postals would disenfranchise far more conservative voters than progressives.
A silly suggestion.
1999 Australian republic referendum
The Australian republic referendum held on 6 November 1999 was a two-question referendum to amend the Constitution of Australia.
The first question asked whether Australia should become a republic, with a President appointed by Parliament following a bi-partisan appointment model which had been approved by a half-elected, half-appointed Constitutional Convention held in Canberra in February 1998.
The second question, generally deemed to be far less important politically, asked whether Australia should alter the Constitution to insert a preamble acknowledging indigenous ownership prior to European arrival.
Preamble referendum
A Proposed Law: To alter the Constitution to insert a preamble.
Do you approve this proposed alteration?
Proposed preamble amendment:
With hope in God, the Commonwealth of Australia is constituted as a democracy with a federal system of government to serve the common good.
We the Australian people commit ourselves to this Constitution: proud that our national unity has been forged by Australians from many ancestries; never forgetting the sacrifices of all who defended our country and our liberty in time of war; upholding freedom, tolerance, individual dignity and the rule of law; honouring Aborigines and Torres Strait Islanders, the nation’s first people, for their deep kinship with their lands and for their ancient and continuing cultures which enrich the life of our country; recognising the nation-building contribution of generations of immigrants; mindful of our responsibility to protect our unique natural environment; supportive of achievement as well as equality of opportunity for all; and valuing independence as dearly as the national spirit which binds us together in both adversity and success
note the tone deaf sign held by one terrorism sympathiser.
Sancho Panzer
Oct 15, 2023 1:48 PM
That they were trying to divide us by race was demonstrably true but “Firstly, it is demonstrably true that da Voice was racially based. Non indigenes need not apply.” does not appear to be how they intended the ammendment to operate.
There was no stipulation that Aboriginal /Torres Strait Islanders were to be the only ones on the Voice. Indeed if you read this it has been expertly manipulated otherwise
https://www.aec.gov.au/referendums/learn/the-question.html
Presumably the reasons include
1. avoiding the racist tag,
2. avoiding issues over just who is an Aboriginal
3. allowing those with White Saviour Complex, membership
4. allowing non indigenous “experts”, membership
5 and so on
One day, a High Court judge, taking it on its plain language (without resorting to any explanatory documentation) could even say that it was written so that Aboriginal/Torres Strait Islanders could be excluded as pursuant to section 51(xxvi) (the “race” law) if it was considered in their “best interest”, ect.
Indeed, as written, did they mislead the Australian population, especially those voting Yes?
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Boambee John
Oct 15, 2023 3:15 PM
Where is everyone?
was sitting in sun sipping Bundy & Pepsi Max watching Grandkids in Pool -23C – with their Dad, whilst younger Daughter sits in attached Spa – 40C – Neurotic Female Beagle asleep in the shade on lawn above Pool
Retreated inside to check the World
One photo had a lot of HAMARSE pointed skyward
If there were no postals, people would have voted in person, and the outcome would have been identical.
Postals have no effect apart from encouraging cheating.
Tom T. Hall “Old Dogs Children & Watermelon Wine”
I missed some of it during the Insiders new segment this morning – “Hey, it ain’t so bad and look over there at Dutton.”
However, I think two Teal electorates were only marginally Yes and, as Rosie says, postals are falling heavily to No. I don’t think the Teal electorates are a write-off.
In any case, the yuuuge story (which the media are steadfastly ignoring) is the “safe” ALP seats which voted No by big margins, whilst only one Liberal seat voted marginally No (49% and may swing back on postal).
The next Labor caucus meeting will be an absolutely shit-show.
Never forget that Scott Morrison was Malcolm Turnbull’s designated successor on Turnbull’s way out the door to achieve his lifelong aim of wrecking the LNP after Turnbull’s application to join his preferred party, the ALP, was rejected.
Morrison PM was Turnbull’s designated party wrecker and Net Zero was his chosen weapon.
The “broad church” is designed to include traitors.
I’m sure thousands of Muslims publicly praying in Hyde Park won’t make anyone feel uncomfortable.
That isn’t true.
People obtain postal votes for valid reasons such as age and illness, or even being out of the country lolling day.
No reasonable person would have expected the two postal voters in my immediate family to have queued at a polling station yesterday.
Just saw this little tidbit from The Hill :
What is it with people and feelz?
The Voice referendum live updates: Horror statistics will haunt the PM
Two questions and some seriously ugly statistics reveal the worst for the Prime Minister a day after the humiliating Voice defeat.
There’s been an emotional reaction across the country after Australians resoundingly voted No in the poll on Saturday, leaving Prime Minister Anthony Albanese to attempt to pick up the pieces.
Aussies believe Albanese bungled the Voice
News.com.au asked Australians whether they thought the government had bungled the Indigenous Voice to Parliament. And the response has been emphatic.
By 2.30pm on Sunday, more than 19,000 people agreed there wasn’t enough information early on, while less than 3000 people agreed Australians were kept informed throughout the process, according to a reader poll with more than 22,000 votes.
Results in a second poll show Australians put the blame for the referendum’s failure specifically on Anthony Albanese.
More than 25,000 have said the Prime Minister should accept responsibility for the outcome, while less than 3500 Aussies said he shouldn’t accept responsibility.
There’s more bad news for Mr Albanese. According to RedBridge Group director Kos Samaras, the Voice was a massive flop for Labor faithful, too.
“Close to 80 per cent of Labor federal seats voted No,” Samaras posted on X, formerly Twitter, on Sunday.
“Remove the ACT and Labor/Greens contest seats and that number climbs to 90 per cent. These numbers may get worse with one or two seats which a line ball in front on the Yes vote.”
When asked why the No vote won, Mr Albanese appeared to lay the blame at the feet of the Liberal Party.
“The analysis will go on for some time, no doubt. But the truth is that no referendum has succeeded without bipartisan support in this country,’’ he said.
On Sunday morning Deputy Prime Minister Richard Marles said the government took responsibility for the failure of the Voice referendum.
Speaking on the ABC’s Insiders program, Mr Marles said the buck ultimately stopped with the government.
“We take responsibility, as the prime minister did last night, for the referendum and we take responsibility for the outcome,” he said.
Indigenous rivals engaged in ugly brawl
Two of Australia’s most prominent Indigenous advocates have been involved in an ugly verbal stoush on live television, highlighting the country’s deep division in the wake of the referendum.
During NITV’s coverage of the vote on Saturday night, academic Marcia Langton and aspiring politician Warren Mundine slung insults at each other, requiring host Narelda Jacobs to step in.
Mr Mundine, who was one of the faces of the official No campaign, was talking about the reasons for the referendum’s overwhelming defeat when the slinging match kicked off.
“They couldn‘t see anything, no one gave them details about how it was going to fix anything, it was almost like a magic wand,” he said.
It’s at this point Jacobs interjected, saying Ms Langdon has “given the detail everybody needed” in a report she co-authored proposing how the Voice might be designed.
“I‘m not going to take any comments from a person who thinks that we are a racist country, and that we are racist people,” Mr Mundine shot back.
His comment was in reference to remarks Ms Langton made at a NAIDOC Week event in Brisbane in July, where she described “hard No” voters as either racist or stupid.
Recording obtained by the media showed her saying: “Ordinary Australians are thinking, ‘Yes, of course I am voting for the Voice’ and that would be 48 to 49 per cent. Then there is hard No voters, and I am hoping they are about 20 per cent, and they are the ones spewing racism.”
She also said: “‘Every time the No cases raise their arguments, if you start pulling it apart you get down to base racism, I’m sorry to say that’s where it lands, or sheer stupidity.”
After that, other past public remarks made by Ms Langton emerged, including her description of conservatives Jacinta Price and her mother as “coloured help” and wishing a “slow, painful death” on Mark Latham.
After that, other past public remarks made by Ms Langton emerged, including her description of conservatives Jacinta Price and her mother as “coloured help” and wishing a “slow, painful death” on Mark Latham.
Jeebers.
Postal votes allowed my parents, both 92, to add their “No” to the Patterson 70+%.
For all I know, they haven’t even been tallied yet. Hence the +.
🙂
Should the States, knowing full well the sentiment of the electorate, seek to introduce the Voice by stealth, they deserve to be thrown out at the next election.
This will be a running sore on the Labor Party’s bum for the duration. I’m surprised they want to turn it into a carbuncle.
Lydia Thorpe wants a treaty?
“We won. You lost. Too bad. So sad!”
Oh. Someone wants to disenfranchise my parents.
Hi, Karl!
Imagine coming up with solutions to non existent electoral fraud that would effectively disenfranchise a significant percentage of conservative voters.
And on a conservative blog.
Stupid SA Labor Lemming Following AlboSleezy Off the Voice Cliff followed by Sicktoria Labor – Doubling down on Stupid
SA Premier Peter Malinauskas has already legislated a state-based implementation of the Uluru Statement from the Heart – Voice, Treaty and Truth.
But the resounding vote against the proposal – including in South Australia – has sparked calls to repeal the legislation.
“South Australians have voted clearly against a Voice to Parliament and it’s now up to Peter Malinauskas to explain where to from here,” SA Opposition Leader David Speirs said.
SA Premier Peter Malinauskas told Sunday Mail on Saturday night that the work would continue.
“The Prime Minister honoured his commitment to put a constitutionally enshrined First Nations Voice to a vote in a referendum. Our democracy has now decided against that model – but the work at a federal level to close the gap on Indigenous disadvantage must continue.”
Treaty in Victoria
Meanwhile, Victoria is pressing ahead to become the first state to commence a treaty process with Aboriginal peoples.
I usually get a postal vote ‘cos I can’t be arsed standing in line at a polling booth.
Just make sure I use a biro and not a pencil.
And that Marcia Langdon – what a vile, bitter, twisted excuse for a human being.
And colour me astonished, but my brother and his partner both expressed disgust at the way the ABC handled both the referendum and the polling reporting.
They are progressives. I thought I was hallucinating. I believe the shark has been well and truly jumped.
Just more evidence that our democracy is a sham. Our vote , meaningless.
I love the polling booth lines, even though I’m an off the scale introvert. There’s something about lining up in a free country, no fear of a bullet or brass knuckles, chatting and joking with neighbours.
And hoping for the glorious aroma of the sausage sizzle.
It’s a precious thing. Something our recent arrivals probably appreciate more than we dinki-di’s.
I think we can safely say that our federal and state electoral commissions do their jobs properly when administering our elections and referendums. No organisation is perfect but I reckon they do a pretty good job. To compare our AECs to the USA is ridiculous.
And another nice thing to come out of last night. Sleazy won’t pursue a republic referendum. He’s shit scared now, that was just so obvious in his rambling ridiculous speech last night.
I think so, Cassie. Although I will take my trusty pen in future. To be sure, to be sure.
Interesting times ahead for Adelaide and its attached desert.
Of course the Adelaide elite will support the outrage. SA has always been about private school graduates ruling the irrelevant rest of the population..
Too arrogant to understand that Saturday was not a vote, it was a watershed. The proles are no longer scared of elite thugs.
After that, other past public remarks made by Ms Langton emerged, including her description of conservatives Jacinta Price and her mother as “coloured help” and wishing a “slow, painful death” on Mark Latham.
Marcia channeling her inner Maximus?
https://youtu.be/ZtyjY6VjF9Q?si=DM2SrYHheSc2jbDl
Are you not reconciled??
I think we can thank Jacinta Price, Warren Mundine, Kerranne Liddle and Pauline’s cartoons.
Lidia too, Cassie.
She was the ace in the hole.
Does he push on with “truth-telling”, a treaty and reparations?
I am starting to get pissed off big time. They have just been told by a huge majority that we don’t want any of this Voice, Treaty, Truth Telling, Reparations and on and on.
The reaction, they think they can continue on regardless, telling us how we got it wrong and they will ignore our wishes.
Labor better be careful how they proceed because the people who voted NO meant it and will tip Labor out if they don’t listen.
Close the gap for sure, a hand up for the needy for sure, do everything possible to sort out disadvantage, but none of the rest of the bullshit statement from the heart written by elite aboriginals and white people. We voted NO.
Poor Marcia.
After all her time griping and moaning I think Australians have a pretty clear idea of who they want to listen to regarding Aboriginal Australians.
And her message was a breath of fresh air and unaccustomedly sensible: we fix the problems together because we are all Australians.
From Old Ozzie earlier:-
For mine, that is the biggest story coming out of this by far, but totally ignored by the MSM. Not just ignored, but they are actively running the distraction unicorn line that this would be bad for Dutton.
If Tony Abbott had run a referendum which copped a Seven-Nilligan thrashing (National + six states) with a 60:40 vote, journos would be on the blower to every single one of those MPs who sat in the “defeated” seats looking for a hook.
By 10:00 AM Sunday the stories of members “privately seething” and “out for blood” would be running wild.
Does he push on with “truth-telling”, a treaty and reparations?”
I wonder, he’d be a fool to do that. He now has little political capital. From the Oz, uploaded in the last hour…
Labor MP blasts inner-city voice campaign
“Labor MP Mike Freelander has accused the Yes campaign of being too focused on inner-city elites and hit out at his party for being out of touch with outer suburban electorates like his own.
The Macarthur MP told The Australian voters in his electorate felt Labor had been too distracted by the voice campaign while failing to address critical concerns around infrastructure, health and housing.
“I think the campaign was mainly focused on the inner city and inner city elites in particular, people were in an echo chamber and having big inner city rallies totally misses the point,” Mr Freelander told The Australian.”
The recriminations are beginning.
Last night’s result wasn’t bad, it was disastrous.
This is where we need recall provisions with a ban on new legislation in the interim. They are counting on an incoming new government not having the guts to remove it.
Authoritarian legislation needs a circuit breaker.
Nice observation Cassie! Yes!
Luigi is lamed, and is going to be stalked by big beasts. Buy popcorn.
Reports just in from the US:
Shaquille O’Neal devastated by the Voice result.
Old Ozzie:
Predicted.
They don’t give a damn about Australia, just their own ideology.
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feelthebern
Oct 15, 2023 3:35 PM
I think the Teals will lose some paint next election, but some of these Voice votes might indicate that their electorates delusions are pretty ingrained.
The thing about the Teal seats is that the voters in those seats are used to seeing PMs or senior Cabinet Ministers as their MPs. By voting Teal they lose that influence. They become more powerless than they think they should be.
Once the Liberals get their act together and Labor reveals how useless it is, the Teal vote will die, simply because the Teal MPs are not important enough
Correct.
In terms of roll maintenance, they are poles apart. Ours is a national roll where changes of address are processed properly. Theirs is state based and it is possible to register in another state without deleting the old registration.
Ours relieves deaths from the roll whilst theirs relies on voluntary notification (at least in some states).
And compulsory voting makes any duplicate use of voter registrations on a large scale very difficult.
As I said, if this had swung on a few votes in one state, and that state had a larger number of duplicates than the margin, the No case would be off to the Court of Disputed Returns.
Persisting with this bullshit lines you up with Twostix and his mis-read of the 2022 AEC stats, or St Ruth and his “fillem of AEC removing Fat Cloive’s votes”.
Never did hear any more about that.
“note the tone deaf sign held by one terrorism sympathiser.”
There was also the odd self-hating Jew at the protest.
“Professor Peter Slezak, who is Jewish, said his parents both survived the holocaust and he knows anti-Semitism when he sees it – but the Palestinian cause was not it.
He said there are many Jews around the world who are ‘distressed’ and ‘shamed’ by how Israel has treated Palestine historically.“
Because they’re one and all of the progressive elite class, who voted Yes and got pied in the face last night by normies.
Not only will he not pursue it.
He will not be allowed to pursue it by caucus and the union string pullers.
His authority to do anything but line and length stuff will be severely crimped for however long he remains in the chair.
Nope. Am finishing my second bottle of champagne. Am happy and slightly somnolent.
It was sobering to find that nearly 40% of my fellow citizens are either gullible nongs or malevolent arseholes, but it could have been worse.