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Boambee John
Boambee John
December 28, 2023 5:39 pm

Lizzie

“We are ‘holidaying at home’. I like it.”

Obummer referred to that as a “Staycation”.

Tom
Tom
December 28, 2023 5:40 pm

If Viktorgrad peasants tolerate this anti-gas crap, then they are dumber than I thought.

calli
calli
December 28, 2023 5:40 pm

Zulu, I don’t know how you do it. I can never throw away books and the shelves are bursting to two deep at least.

My last “cull” was in the very early 80’s when I threw out a heap of Steven Kings and others of that ilk. I decided that what was once a fashionable “read” was a blight on my little library. They were particularly horrible, in retrospect.

Now I’m looking at a couple of Lee Child “Reachers” that are tip worthy. Grotesque with no redeeming features.

Dunny Brush
Dunny Brush
December 28, 2023 5:42 pm

They’re potato cakes. And fish & chippers outside of Victoria are crap. There, I said it.

Tom
Tom
December 28, 2023 5:44 pm

If Viktorgrad peasants tolerate this anti-gas crap, then they are dumber than I thought.

In Victoria, the minority of parasites who like their existence spoonfed to them by the government has become the majority. We apologise. But we didn’t vote for it.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
December 28, 2023 5:47 pm

Tom
Dec 28, 2023 5:40 PM
If Viktorgrad peasants tolerate this anti-gas crap, then they are dumber than I thought.

So, you Sictorians, vote with your gas cookers or take the consequences. Over to you.

Chris
Chris
December 28, 2023 5:48 pm

Agree Calli! I got into Reachers and after six or so became disgusted that the evil he had to invent to defeat in each succeeding story was so monstrous I didn’t want any more of it.
Rather good training for Oct 7 actually.

Vagabond
Vagabond
December 28, 2023 5:48 pm

Vicki
Dec 28, 2023 4:27 PM

Just signed Alex Antic’s protest against the Digital ID Bill, having also signed Rafe’s petition re energy legislation.

I signed the one on the Advance website. They are running a number of worthwhile petitions that will no doubt be ignored by our betters.

They want to be a counter to Getup! at the next election campaign which would be good to see.

Zafiro
Zafiro
December 28, 2023 5:49 pm

Just when we get excited and hope the Pakis can win, Mitch Marsh rocks up and makes 96. A mongrel he is.

Bruce
Bruce
December 28, 2023 5:49 pm

A callt:

“Disposal of Dad’s timber stash is going to be tricky.”

You and yours should do a “non-commital ” tour of Men’s Sheds in your area.

At the one I attend, we get regular offers / outright “anonymous” donations of timber, amd hand and power tools. The stuff is graciously accepted, because a lot of it comes out of deceased estates. What is somewhat depressing is that to so many “donors”, it is just “old crap”, hoarded by Grandad, or whoever.

It is amazing how many interesting wooden toys can be made out of random donations of old bits of wood. and finished with oddments of old paint. Soggy ply and particle-board gets “scrapped”, at present , but if anyone in the Ashgrove area wants to donate a decent “branch eater”, the scrap could be granulated and then off-loaded on the adjacent “community garden” group, with whom we share a small flood plain.

“Damaged” old furniture can be stripped and “rearranged; one example being. a four-drawer, REAL timber bedroom chest of drawers, minus a drawer, was “trimmed down” to a perfectly serviceable THREE drawer configuration; perfect in a kid’s bedroom. Waste not; want not.

Cassie of Sydney
December 28, 2023 5:50 pm

Potato scallops. I remember as children we’d swim at Bronte Beach. This was way before the suburb became uber trendy*. There were only two businesses on Bronte Beach, a milk bar and a fish and chip shop. We’d buy potato scallops and chips (they were hand cut) and sit on the sand eating them, then afterwards go back into the water. I’ve always liked my potato scallops with lots of salt and vinegar.

* Now Bronte Beach is filled with trendy and expensive restaurants and cafes, and the fish and chip shop isn’t a patch on what it was fifty years ago.

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 28, 2023 5:51 pm

Calli

“Now I’m looking at a couple of Lee Child “Reachers” that are tip worthy. Grotesque with no redeeming features.”

In the earlier books, Teacher was the most prolific mass killer in the US, leaving a trail a mile wide that no authority picked up.

The more recent ones, co-authored with Child’s younger brother, are more subtle.

Not Uh oh
Not Uh oh
December 28, 2023 5:52 pm

On the way back from the Gold Coast on Tuesday we dropped in to Byron Bay to see if it had changed in the 30 years since we were last there. I think you’ll find that that is where all those missing tourists are; it was absolutely chokkas.
Couldn’t wait to get out of the place, and might I respectfully suggest that it needs to be added to the “shit towns of Australia “ list asap.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
December 28, 2023 5:53 pm

An optimist stays up until midnight to see the new year in. A pessimist stays up to make sure the old year leaves.

– Bill Vaughan

Boambee John
Boambee John
December 28, 2023 5:54 pm

Drat. Reacher, not Teacher.

Although some modern teachers …

Cassie of Sydney
December 28, 2023 5:54 pm

I signed the one on the Advance website.

Advance do fantastic work and people should donate. It is headed by clever people who have their fingers on the pulse of middle and working Australia.

It was Advance that organised the NO campaign and enlisted Senator Jacinta Price and Warren Mundine to fight it. It was Advance that successfully targeted key states and electorates. The NO campaign won because of Advance, Jacinta and Warren, it wasn’t because of anything that the Liberals did.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
December 28, 2023 5:59 pm

One of the best fish and chip shops for me was in Randwick in 1980/1981 and it was owned by a lovely Greek Family near the old Cinema. Top nosh.

JohnJJJ
JohnJJJ
December 28, 2023 6:01 pm

.tour of Men’s Sheds in your area

Yep. Good idea.

Interesting dynamics in Men’s Sheds. Very similar to a Zulu tribe and Yolngu. There is a chief and don’t upset him or know more.

Pogria
Pogria
December 28, 2023 6:02 pm

Vicki,
in answer to your kind comment about loving horses. It’s a real coincidence, the first horse I owned was named Blaze. 14.3 Chestnut gelding with a conjoined Star, Stripe and Snip. I had had borrowed ponies for a couple of years, but Blaze I bought with my own money. Almost pointless to say I adored him! Unfortunately, due to dreadful circumstances a few years later, I had to sell him. He ended up stabled at the Showground and his new owner, a 13 year old girl rode him in Centennial Park. He certainly landed on his feet, so to speak. 😀

After Blaze, when my fortunes changed for the better, I bought another horse. At one stage I had six! As my body started to betray me, I didn’t replace my horses when the died, I just looked after them and loved them. During the horse flu that ripped through Oz some years back, all six of mine caught it. I was buying bulk jars of Vicks and shoving it up their noses a couple of times a day. It really helped with their breathing, just like it does for us.

My last pony, a Welshie, died around eight years ago. She was forty-two. I had owned her for twenty-two years. I will have another horse. As I said to JMH, if I can’t ride, I will have a small one as a pet to love and spoil. I will have cattle, but only a weaner every couple of years to grow and fatten for the table. If I can manage one, I will have a Jersey cow for milk, cheese and butter. Or just as a pet. I love Jersey’s as much as I love horses.

miltonf
miltonf
December 28, 2023 6:03 pm

Advance do fantastic work and people should donate.

Yes they sure do

Chris
Chris
December 28, 2023 6:05 pm

Only the very posh would say “portmanteau”. ?

Funny, I have saved Dad’s portmanteau (never a ‘port’ in WA).
Dad was not noticeably posh. This was what he carried his clothes when he went away to build sheds, to get enough to hire a bulldozer for the next new paddock.
Someone swiped his Dad’s stylish manteau, from the 1940s. Of course Dad called it an overcoat.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
December 28, 2023 6:06 pm

Personally, I like IGA. But tend to buy my meat in Harris Farm. The fish shop in Bridgepoint is outstanding.

Absolutley agree. IGA is a supermarket, but with more of a pulse and homeothemric staff (compared to Colesworths). Every time I go to Colesworths I get the feeling they are truly resentful toward me and my insane demands like “where are the batteriess?”

Harris Farm is far better for food. The meat section offers nice thick cuts twice the thickness of what is in the punnets as pre-cuts, and will give you 5cm eye fillet for the asking.

Great cheeses.

I miss the old baker but – the half-baguettes.

And absolutely yes the fish shop is good. Not usually the cheeriest people, but then fish are not an expressive creature. Perhaps they are that much in sync with their product.

Cassie of Sydney
December 28, 2023 6:08 pm

If Viktorgrad peasants tolerate this anti-gas crap, then they are dumber than I thought.

If the Liberal Party, state and federal, had any cojones and of course they don’t, all they’d have to do to win back marginal electorates such as Bennelong, Chisolm, Reid, Parramatta, Aston and so on, electorates where there are lots of Indians, Chinese and other Asians living, would be to start putting up posters six months before the next state and federal elections with the following words on them…

If you want to continue to cook with gas, vote Liberal

I can guarantee you they’d win back every marginal electorate in the country.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 28, 2023 6:09 pm

Rather good training for Oct 7 actually.

Agnes Keith’s account of what the Japanese did to a group of Dutch missionaries, their wives and children and other civilian families would serve well for that. They went upcountry and lived in an old fort for a year, after which the Japs, insulted that these people were ‘escapees’, went upriver after them. The men who weren’t killed resisting them were killed immediately on capture. The women and children were kept alive for two months, then the children were killed in front of their mothers and the mothers were ‘tortured’ (I think Agnes elides here for her audience, and means raped and maltreated) and then killed.

This sort of brutality is soldiers at their worst. It’s terror against civilians.
As in Oct 7 in Israel. A war crime.

Rabz
December 28, 2023 6:10 pm

urb Dec 28, 2023 12:56 AM

🙂

Lee
Lee
December 28, 2023 6:11 pm

In the earlier books, Reacher was the most prolific mass killer in the US, leaving a trail a mile wide that no authority picked up.

That is the one major flaw of the Reacher books; he clearly left enough clues (not just on CCTV) that Inspector Clouseau could have identified and tracked him down.

H B Bear
H B Bear
December 28, 2023 6:11 pm

Couldn’t wait to get out of the place, and might I respectfully suggest that it needs to be added to the “shit towns of Australia “ list asap.

No argument from me. Spent a few days days there on my way back from Melbourne. Must be the most overrated place in Australia.

Pogria
Pogria
December 28, 2023 6:12 pm

I’ve always liked my potato scallops with lots of salt and vinegar.

Cassie, that would also have been Malt vinegar, not the boring white stuff. 😀

Steve trickler
Steve trickler
December 28, 2023 6:13 pm

Opinions will vary … this was a great film. They didn’t over cook it.

Find the time to watch.

____

Derek (Alex Sharp), a brilliant college student haunted by a childhood UFO sighting, believes that the mysterious sightings reported at multiple airports across the United States are UFOs. With the help of his girlfriend, Natalie (Ella Purnell), and his advanced mathematics professor,Dr. Hendricks (Gillian Anderson, TV’s “The X-Files”), Derek races to unravel the mystery with FBI Special Agent Franklin Ahls (David Strathairn) on his heels.

UFO (2018) | Full Movie ft. Gillian Anderson | Voyage

Cassie of Sydney
December 28, 2023 6:14 pm

“Cassie, that would also have been Malt vinegar, not the boring white stuff”

Yes Pogs. Scrumptious.

JC
JC
December 28, 2023 6:15 pm

We’d buy potato scallops and chips (they were hand cut) and sit on the sand eating them, then afterwards go back into the water. I’ve always liked my potato scallops with lots of salt and vinegar.

I forget what you call regular battered scallops in Sydney town. Potato cakes?

A potato cake isn’t a scallop!

We used to live in Neutral Bay and on some Fridays we’d head to the Kirribilli fish&chip. I wonder if it’s still there now as it was well known then.

Rabz
December 28, 2023 6:15 pm

Maybe “Temptation” said the Spell Checker…

Rotters – the goil is French and she’s Paris and therefore the song is entitled “Tentation”.

Sacré bleu! 😕

calli
calli
December 28, 2023 6:16 pm

Every time I go to Colesworths I get the feeling they are truly resentful toward me

It’s different here. I mentioned the lovely checkout lady at our local Coles whisking off to buy Mum some “sympathy” flowers from the stand once she was told Dad had died.

The “bush” is another country.

Winston Smith
December 28, 2023 6:16 pm

eric hinton

Dec 28, 2023 4:16 PM
Yonnies (throwing sized stones)

– boondies

Rocks. We call them rocks.
Because they are ‘rocks’.

Lee
Lee
December 28, 2023 6:17 pm

If the Liberal Party, state and federal, had any cojones and of course they don’t, all they’d have to do to win back marginal electorates such as Bennelong, Chisolm, Reid, Parramatta, Aston and so on, electorates where there are lots of Indians, Chinese and other Asians living, would be to start putting up posters six months before the next state and federal elections with the following words on them…

The SFL (at least here in Victoria) would sooner slavishly follow Labor
down the road to energy disaster than get into government.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
December 28, 2023 6:17 pm

The term scallops for those battered slices of potato lies in the term ‘scalloped potato’. This term has a perdigree of its own – whether its was the style of potato served with a dish that included actual scallops, of referred to an otherwise obsolete word for something thin sliced (or something).

I actually always found the word ‘potato cake’ stranger.

Cake?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 28, 2023 6:18 pm

And I’d completely forgotten that account in Agnes Keith’s book. I haven’t seen a reference to that massacre elsewhere, but Agnes was a fairly reliable informant.

That I’d forgotten shows how readily we can push unpleasant things to the forgettery.

Rabz
December 28, 2023 6:19 pm

she’s in Paris …

Hopefully when the Austrian corporal and his jackbooted lapdogues aren’t around …

Rabz
December 28, 2023 6:20 pm

err, did someone mention cake? 🙂

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
December 28, 2023 6:20 pm

When I was a child in England before the war, Christmas pudding always contained at least one shiny new sixpence, and it was considered a sign of great good luck for the new year to find one in your helping of the pudding.

– Michael Korda

We were poor so we only got a threepence.

Tom
Tom
December 28, 2023 6:21 pm

My last pony, a Welshie, died around eight years ago. She was forty-two.

Wow, Pogria — I’ve never heard of a horse living to such a great age.

Our fastest horses, thoroughbreds, are lucky to make it until they’re 30.

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
December 28, 2023 6:22 pm

A potato cake isn’t a scallop!

Yes.
Potato cakes (as I experienced them in Vicco and Tassie) were thicker and – wildly guessing here – seemed more like smashed potato pressed into shapes that made them thicker and less ‘solid’.

JC
JC
December 28, 2023 6:22 pm

I actually always found the word ‘potato cake’ stranger.

Cake?

It’s closer to what it looks like than a freaking scallop. I supposed it’s the bastardized version of the french, escalope

Lee
Lee
December 28, 2023 6:23 pm

One time during a three week stay with my sister in NZ many years ago I went to a local fish and chip shop.
I ordered several potato cakes, but they didn’t know what they were.
Eventually we worked out that they were called potato scallops there.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 28, 2023 6:23 pm

Scallops were what the potato slices were called when fried. Yummy and cheapo too.

The word comes from the shape of the scallop shell, rounded. I recall searching for it (sending out the brain tracker for it) in Malaysia recently to describe the shape of the curtains hanging in all Malaysian buses. It is a common decorative feature in ancient paintings.

JC
JC
December 28, 2023 6:25 pm

The word comes from the shape of the scallop shell, rounded.

It’s nothing like it. You just made that up. 🙂

Vicki
Vicki
December 28, 2023 6:26 pm

My last pony, a Welshie, died around eight years ago. She was forty-two. I had owned her for twenty-two years.

That is astonishing Pogria. I bought a Welsh Mountain pony for my daughter when she was 8 years old – as a Christmas present. We lived in one of Sydney’s outer suburbs then – & the block next door was vacant. We fenced it, with permission from the owner, & kept “Pokey” there. Sadly, daughter did not inherit my love of horses. She refused to put her finger in his mouth to get him to take the bit, or brush him – because “he was dirty”. Sigh. We sold him after a couple of months.

Rabz
December 28, 2023 6:26 pm

I am human and need to hoover some cake on those rare occasions that might just warrant it … 🙂

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 28, 2023 6:26 pm

I think escalope might have a similar aetiology. A small somewhat rounded piece of something, a piece cut off from a larger portion, in the artistic shape garnered by time and artistic usage of the seashore scallop shell.

JC
JC
December 28, 2023 6:27 pm

I often wondered why fish&chip shops never really took off in the US. It’s not as though they wouldn’t like it because it’s fast food.

And their burgers are nowhere near as good as ours.

Winston Smith
December 28, 2023 6:28 pm

calli

Dec 28, 2023 4:45 PM
Everyone is holidaying on the coast.
I do wish they’d bring their tucker with them. All the supermarkets, from Colesworths to Aldi have been cleaned out here. Never seen anything like it in the ten years we’ve been here*.
Reminds me of the marabunta in The Naked Jungle.
* apart from the Great Toilet Paper Shortage of 2020, when busloads of @rseholes (nyuk, nyuk) from Sydney would arrive for plunder and profit

I remember one busload of Asians arrived in Barcaldine with a trailer nearly full of date rolls. They proceeded to the local IGA and started to strip the place clean. Refused at the checkout, because “You obviously had enough.”
Much screeching and abuse to be had by them, but they left empty handed.
The fuel cost even if they were from Townsville would have taken up their profit margin.

Vicki
Vicki
December 28, 2023 6:28 pm

Couldn’t wait to get out of the place, and might I respectfully suggest that it needs to be added to the “shit towns of Australia “ list asap.

No argument from me. Spent a few days days there on my way back from Melbourne. Must be the most overrated place in Australia.

AKA Byron Bay. My family are off to Byron in early January. Says it all.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
December 28, 2023 6:29 pm

Rabz
Dec 28, 2023 6:15 PM

My apologies as I was being pedestrian/pedantic/problematic – Anyway, I loved New Order =

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZXxmhok1AU

JC
JC
December 28, 2023 6:29 pm

I think escalope might have a similar aetiology.

Liz, let’s not get etiological here. Okay, but what do you call a battered scallop in that uncivilized city?

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 28, 2023 6:30 pm

Rabz, I forgot to put out the Christmas cake, as well as the cherries and other fruits at Christmas; also the mince tarts. I will freeze some cake for youse … for later, as Her Maj notably said. Fear not, you shall eat cake.

Cassie of Sydney
December 28, 2023 6:33 pm

I have zero sympathy Australian industry heads, such as Innes Willox and Jennifer Westacott. Instead of sticking to their knitting and promoting business, they’ve, for far too long, stoked and indulged progressive talking points such as SSM and da Voice, and like zombie midgets, all dutifully turned up to attend the Sleazy government’s wankfest called The Jobs and Skills Summit in September 2022, perhaps thinking they’d earn brownie points. Yeah…..NAH..

And yet now…….

Australian Industry Group chief executive Innes Willox has accused the Albanese government of launching a “squalid attack” on employers through a proposed shake-up of laws dictating who should pick up the bill in sexual harassment and discrimination cases.

The reforms have been criticised by business and religious groups for creating a lopsided litigation environment that will invite a wave of unmeritorious lawsuits by saddling employers with the burden of paying an applicant’s costs if just a single aspect of the claim is upheld.

You reap what you sow.

calli
calli
December 28, 2023 6:33 pm

Potato scallop.

rosie
rosie
December 28, 2023 6:34 pm
Diogenes
Diogenes
December 28, 2023 6:34 pm

This sort of brutality is soldiers at their worst. It’s terror against civilians.

I am currently reading Rich Frank’s “Tower of Skulls”, the first part of a trilogy concerning the Pacific War which started with Marco Polo Bridge Incident. Banking has just been raped,. Horrifying reading, but I am looking forward to the next instalment.

calli
calli
December 28, 2023 6:35 pm

Chuckle.

LawConnect, after their horror start, wins by a whisker.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 28, 2023 6:35 pm

As I said, we used to have potato scallops.

A battered scallop as a sea creature was not something we yobs ever saw, living far from Tasmania. Such scallops were not of our ken. They were as far away from us as calimari later became, till some Iti’s arrived, and we thought they ate weird stuff anyway. We had battered flake, potato scallops and chips. None of this other fancy stuff in Sydney’s outer west in the 50’s. You had to go to Sydney to get real seafood.

Diogenes
Diogenes
December 28, 2023 6:35 pm

@#$&–+&$@@ autocorrect that should be Nanking not banking

Bear Necessities
Bear Necessities
December 28, 2023 6:36 pm

Potato Scallops in Qld.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
December 28, 2023 6:37 pm

And some more New Order –

Brillo stuff – English Music at it’s BEST –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfI1S0PKJR8

Mother Lode
Mother Lode
December 28, 2023 6:37 pm

Potato scallop.

That is pure hatespeech!

JC
JC
December 28, 2023 6:37 pm

Toilet paper shortage during covid. I have to thank Bern.

It would’ve been around mid Feb 2020 when the first strain began to hit and I recall Bern saying that if there was one thing we needed to stock up on it was dunny paper.

Trader’s instinct quickly took hold and I said to myself, FMD, he’s right. Wifey thought I was crazy to suggest it and over the next week we went out stocking up on dunny paper, canned tuna and anything canned. We had enough paper to last well over a year. This was well before the mad rush that began in March.

Stocking up was low risk big reward.

rosie
rosie
December 28, 2023 6:38 pm

I think you all mean potato scollop.

Pogria
Pogria
December 28, 2023 6:39 pm

Tom,
back in the “bad old days”, a horse’s average lifespan was around twenty. Once they became companion animals, they were looked after better and consequently, lasted longer. I had a couple who had reached thirty and were still good for light trail riding.

Apple, the welshie, also had Cushing’s, which caused her to look like a shag-pile carpet all year round. I had to regularly clip her as, with Cushing’s, the hair never sheds in the spring/summer. She was still a feisty little thing right up until a couple of weeks before she died.

With your thirty year old race horses, that would have been the good ones, right? The slow ones ended up in a can of Pal or on a boat to Japan. 😀

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 28, 2023 6:39 pm

The seafood scallops we had on Christmas Eve were rather small and they cooked up a little bit rubbery even with just a touch of heat. Disappointing. Best scallops are on Bribie Island in Tassie, and I can never go past a fresh Scallop Pie when I am in Hobart. Absolutely stunning food.

JC
JC
December 28, 2023 6:40 pm

A battered scallop as a sea creature was not something we yobs ever saw, living far from Tasmania. Such scallops were not of our ken.

It’s without a doubt one of the top 20 tasty morsels you could ever gulp down. There’s very little that compares.

calli
calli
December 28, 2023 6:41 pm

rosie
Dec 28, 2023 6:34 PM
Dean Cain

Bless him. Immune to qwerty kryptonite.

JC
JC
December 28, 2023 6:41 pm

Battered scallops of the seafood kind.

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 28, 2023 6:42 pm

a brilliant college student haunted by a childhood UFO sighting, believes that the mysterious sightings reported at multiple airports across the United States are UFOs

Piloted by camels, I assume.

They didn’t over cook it.

Ahahahaaaaa.

rosie
rosie
December 28, 2023 6:42 pm

People forget toilet paper, thermometers*, paracetamol, masks etc were being scooped up to be sold in China.
*I had to hunt around in early May 2020 for a baby one for my arriving grandchild. Finally found one in a pharmacy inside a private hospital.

JC
JC
December 28, 2023 6:42 pm

Bear Necessities
Dec 28, 2023 6:36 PM

Potato Scallops in Qld.

Undoubtedly.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
December 28, 2023 6:44 pm

And more New Order – Great video –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1tjQqWqqAA

Lee
Lee
December 28, 2023 6:45 pm

* apart from the Great Toilet Paper Shortage of 2020, when busloads of @rseholes (nyuk, nyuk) from Sydney would arrive for plunder and profit

I remember during the insane run on toilet paper in 2020, one guy managed to get ahold of a very large number.
He tried to sell them at a greatly marked up price on eBay, but eBay put a stop to that!

calli
calli
December 28, 2023 6:45 pm

Battered scallops of the seafood kind.

Just. Don’t.

A light sear, plus a little sauce if you must.

Avoid the horror of the deep fryer.

caveman
caveman
December 28, 2023 6:46 pm

Potato Scallops in Qld

I’ve always known them as potato scallops
You would have to be a retardo to confuse scallops with potato scallop.
Remember when I ordered some in Vic and asked for potato scallops the lady behind the counter goes Queeeeennnnnssslaaander.!!!!

Lee
Lee
December 28, 2023 6:47 pm

rosie
Dec 28, 2023 6:34 PM
Dean Cain

Cain gave the perfect response to that idiot woke woman.
No comeback to that!

JC
JC
December 28, 2023 6:47 pm

Calli

Have you ever tried one? Sure, you need a pack of Krestor for each one to get rid of the “wax” clogging the arteries, but boy they’re great. Mouthwatering great.

Rabz
December 28, 2023 6:47 pm

I have zero sympathy for any Australian public figures, Cass.

The sooner those vile quislings all start experiencing long, slow and hideously painful ends to their pointless existences, the better.

It’s not like they have any “sympathy” or “empathy”* for the likes of us.

*FFS, I hate that word.

Pogria
Pogria
December 28, 2023 6:49 pm

Vicki,
very sorry to hear your daughter didn’t inherit your interest in horses. I cannot remember a time when I didn’t love them.

re, the chat about Byron, definitely a hole. It started to go downhill around the late seventies. I have always said, even then, that Ballina and Evan’s Head were a thousand times better. In the ninetie’s, Byron would close the town to outsiders at Christmas. I knew people from Sydney who had holiday homes there and they were allowed in because they were “on the list”. Not many locals left now so the dollar rules.

JC
JC
December 28, 2023 6:51 pm

In the ninetie’s, Byron would close the town to outsiders at Christmas. I knew people from Sydney who had holiday homes there and they were allowed in because they were “on the list”.

You can’t down a town. I suspect that’s a myth.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
December 28, 2023 6:52 pm
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 28, 2023 6:52 pm

Diogenes, I have, and have read, Iris Chang’s The Rape of Nanking: The forgotten Holocaust of World War II, which is fairly definitive in showing why the Chinese still hate the Japanese. Rape is metaphoric in the title, but there was plenty of real rape and hideous sexual torturing of women going on. Photographs in the book are graphic re this.

Quite a lot of heroism too from the European population trying to protect the Chinese.

Indolent
Indolent
December 28, 2023 6:52 pm
rosie
rosie
December 28, 2023 6:54 pm

Love hearing about all this parochialism.
I bet all those Byron Bay peeps popped down to Sydney when ever they felt like it.
It’s time the government stepped in and forced people not to go on holiday during the holidays.

Pogria
Pogria
December 28, 2023 6:54 pm

JC,
it did happen. It was even on the News.

Lee
Lee
December 28, 2023 6:56 pm

Several months ago I got something at a fish and chip shop I hadn’t had for many years – two seafood scallops.

I was extremely unimpressed when for my $7, I got two tiny scallops, not in batter, but what looked like fried flour, and which tasted worse than it looked.

Winston Smith
December 28, 2023 6:56 pm

Cassie of Sydney

Dec 28, 2023 5:37 PM
It wasn’t just toilet paper, it was eggs, pasta, rice, flour and soap.
I remember being at Coles Bondi Junction in April 2020 trying to buy some eggs and being told that there had been a run on them. There were no eggs left. I remember feeling despair.

It’s an odd feeling isn’t it Cassie?
When I was about 24, went to the local supermarket on the Saturday only to find nearly all of the groceries were gone. Apparently there was a driver strike at the food distribution centre and nothing was getting out.
So people panicked and bought just about anything they could.
That frightened the Hell out of me, 2 youngsters below 5, and no tucker.
Ever since, I’ve made sure there was at least the staples bread milk flour etc in the freezer.
About 10 years ago, the highway was cut by floods at Mackinlay and there was a line up of about 30 cars. I took in one family of 6 from Mt Isa and we existed on the contents of the cupboards and baked our own bread, etc. That’s why I want a gas stove – it’s an alternate to power if it goes off, and you can store big cylinders of the stuff.
It was good fun – like going camping, only indoors.

calli
calli
December 28, 2023 6:56 pm

JC, I’ve enjoyed the artery clogging deliciousness of lobster and steamers in butter (thank you Boston for my early demise) but nothing beats a pan seared scallop.

I have had the battered ones. And they appeal to the lizard palate. The seared are another story.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
December 28, 2023 6:57 pm
Rabz
December 28, 2023 6:57 pm

And here comes Johnny Yen, again, Cats.

He’s just a modern guy, existing in a modern woild, which is rubbish.

Oh and thanks for all the staggeringly stupid inbred goat pleasuring moozleys, god – grate work.

Anyone not versed in the finer points of your alleged existence might think that you just might have a tendency to be very, very vengeful …

Except when you aren’t – leaving us to deal with the wreckage.

Pogria
Pogria
December 28, 2023 7:00 pm

Rosie,
it became a real battle at the time. Especially with the surfing crowd. There were some epic fights between locals and the “outsiders”. The Council at the time was really peed off because hundreds of surfies and various “cheaper” travellers would camp anywhere they pleased, mostly on the beach, thereby not paying fees and leaving a lot of rubbish behind. It was not a happy time.
But, as I said, there were far better beach towns to go to.

Zafiro
Zafiro
December 28, 2023 7:01 pm

Potato cakes. Scallops are a mollusc. They sell them battered at Vic fish n chip shops.

Scalloped potato is this. Potato au Gratin.

Rabz
December 28, 2023 7:01 pm

the artery clogging deliciousness

There’s nothing quite like it, Cats, err, uuurrrgggghhh (increasingly bizarre choking sounds) … 😕

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
December 28, 2023 7:03 pm

And it’s a long way to the top if you want a Chiko Roll – LOL –

https://youtu.be/j9Z39Uqybcw

Cassie of Sydney
December 28, 2023 7:03 pm

I must clarify something, I eat potato scallops, not scallops from the shell.

My kashrut observance over the years has been topsy-turvy. But since 7 October I’m once again very careful. I have no desire to eat treif food.

Winston Smith
December 28, 2023 7:05 pm

calli
Dec 28, 2023 6:16 PM

It’s different here. I mentioned the lovely checkout lady at our local Coles whisking off to buy Mum some “sympathy” flowers from the stand once she was told Dad had died.
The “bush” is another country.

Quite so.

WolfmanOz
December 28, 2023 7:06 pm

What is trief food ?

JC
JC
December 28, 2023 7:09 pm

Pogria
Dec 28, 2023 6:54 PM

JC,
it did happen. It was even on the News.

The main entrance to the town is a state road. Who closed that down?

If you’re suggesting a bunch of unwashed hippies stood on the road to block access, well that’s possible. However, there wouldn’t have been any official, state sanctioned closure where owners had to gain permission to access their property.

WolfmanOz
December 28, 2023 7:09 pm

rosie
Dec 28, 2023 6:34 PM
Dean Cain

That’s just pure gold – good on him.

Indolent
Indolent
December 28, 2023 7:09 pm
cohenite
December 28, 2023 7:10 pm

Time to submit candidates for fuktard of the year; here’s a late goer: a blue eyed, poofta catholic priest asserting Jesus was a palestinian.

calli
calli
December 28, 2023 7:10 pm

Love hearing about all this parochialism.

You’re welcome any time. Even chez calli and Beloved.

But you knew that already.

Old Lefty
Old Lefty
December 28, 2023 7:10 pm

The kiosk at the Newcastle Ocean Baths in times gone by did very good fish and chips and was famous for its Pluto Pups.

Haven’t been there for a long time but I expect it’s been yuppified to cater for the yuppie and DINK apartment dwellers who have displaced the old working classes.

Cassie of Sydney
December 28, 2023 7:11 pm

What is trief food ?

Pig, all shellfish, any fish without fins and scales, only meat from animals that have cloven hooves and chews the cud (so that rules out camels, rabbits and so on), and meat and milk mixed together are prohibited. The fowl that’s allowed are geese, duck, chickens and turkeys. Kosher animals are sheep, cattle, goats and deer.

JC
JC
December 28, 2023 7:13 pm

and meat and milk mixed together are prohibited.

Disgusting. There should be a law against that.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 28, 2023 7:14 pm

A light sear, plus a little sauce if you must.

As a card-carrying resident of Vaucluse, Calli, allowed inside the barrier on New Year’s Eve, I wouldn’t dream of battering scallops rather than simply searing them in butter. It’s seafood standards-r-us around here. 🙂

I was referring to those available treated in this way in fish shops elsewhere in Australia in past times, and even today, although never heard of however treated in Sydney’s outer west in the 50’s.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 28, 2023 7:15 pm

That said, Doyle’s treats the tourists to battered scallops, so who am I to talk?

Knuckle Dragger
Knuckle Dragger
December 28, 2023 7:17 pm

meat and milk mixed together are prohibited.

Disgusting. There should be a law against that.

What? No meatshakes?

Outrageous.

Indolent
Indolent
December 28, 2023 7:17 pm
WolfmanOz
December 28, 2023 7:17 pm

Cassie of Sydney
Dec 28, 2023 7:11 PM

Thanks Cassie.

Cassie of Sydney
December 28, 2023 7:18 pm

Someone downticks a comment about kashrut. Seriously.

JC
JC
December 28, 2023 7:19 pm

I wouldn’t dream of battering scallops rather than simply searing them in butter.

Oh yes, far less arterial damage. A health food compared to battered scallops from the local.

Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare
December 28, 2023 7:21 pm

Now I’m getting scallop hungry, for seared scallops and potato scallops.
And scallop pie. Maybe Hairy should book us to Tassie.

These holidays at home aren’t all they’re cracked up to be.

calli
calli
December 28, 2023 7:21 pm

Don’t worry Cassie. They even downtick an offer of hospitality.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
December 28, 2023 7:21 pm

Go to Scotland and have a battered Mars Bar, Great with the Cod and chips.

And kippers on buttered toast for breakfast with a poached egg on top followed up with porridge and then haggis and neaps with mash for Lunch.

Then, a few or more whiskies to wash it all down with. LOL.

Then, an afternoon nap in front of the log fire,

Cassie of Sydney
December 28, 2023 7:22 pm

After you’ve had a meat meal, you wait three or six hours before eating anything dairy. You have separate utensils for meat and milk. It is quite complicated. The laws of kashrut are at heart moral laws.

Winston Smith
December 28, 2023 7:24 pm

Johnny Rotten

Dec 28, 2023 6:37 PM
And some more New Order –
Brillo stuff – English Music at it’s BEST –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfI1S0PKJR8

I’ve been looking for that video for years, JR!
The choreography is really really good – those blokes must be very fit.

JC
JC
December 28, 2023 7:25 pm

After you’ve had a meat meal, you wait three or six hours before eating anything dairy.

Really? Like, you head to a steak joint, devour a hunk of medium cooked meat and then can’t order a short mac, but have to have espresso. That’s harsh. Really harsh.

Zafiro
Zafiro
December 28, 2023 7:25 pm

Yo Cassie.

Good thing about Christianity?

Eat whatever you like.

Pigs are the best.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
December 28, 2023 7:25 pm

calli
Dec 28, 2023 7:21 PM

Hey. I get down thumbed all the time. So what. And who cares. Water off of a duck’s back.

Pogria
Pogria
December 28, 2023 7:26 pm

Cohenite,
I saw that and scared the dogs I screamed so loudly at the TV.

JC,
there was a home-made checkpoint set up and the volunteers who manned it had a list of registration numbers, names of home owners who lived out of town etc. If you weren’t on the list, you were told to drive on in no uncertain terms. The locals fought as hard as they could to keep Byron to themselves, but they couldn’t fight the Big Money.

calli
calli
December 28, 2023 7:27 pm

Cass, I can cook up something that resembles “kosher” for the family. But they know I don’t have a separate lot of stuff for anything more orthodox.

So I cook up fish and have a dairy dessert. Or the opposite…meat and fruit.

My efforts are seen as righteous because of love. That’s how it must…how it can only work. And that’s how our family operates.

Indolent
Indolent
December 28, 2023 7:28 pm
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 28, 2023 7:28 pm

haggis and neaps with mash for Lunch.

Then, a few or more whiskies to wash it all down with. LOL.

A veddy pukka Pommy voice inquiring if “Australians are ever sober after lunch..”

WolfmanOz
December 28, 2023 7:29 pm

Cassie of Sydney
Dec 28, 2023 7:18 PM
Someone downticks a comment about kashrut. Seriously.

It only shows there are some seriously very sad people lurking here going to such efforts.

I no longer pay any attention to downticks (if I ever did).

I’m sure this comment will get a downtick !

Oh and by the way Cassie thanks for your info. over the last few weeks on Jewish customs etc – very informative for this gentile.

Winston Smith
December 28, 2023 7:30 pm

Lee
Dec 28, 2023 6:45 PM

I remember during the insane run on toilet paper in 2020, one guy managed to get ahold of a very large number.
He tried to sell them at a greatly marked up price on eBay, but eBay put a stop to that!

I remember one bloke bought a huge amount of date rolls and after the shortages, he went back to an IGA store and demanded they refund him the money.
The store bloke told him to piss off.
And Head office backed him which was most surprising.

JC
JC
December 28, 2023 7:30 pm

Oh, so a bunch of worthless arseholes decided they wanted to close down the town. So it wasn’t really official then. What’s this Big Money thing you’re talking about? Sounds really scary, Porgria. is that the opposite of Little Money, because that’s even more frightening.

Indolent
Indolent
December 28, 2023 7:31 pm
Rabz
December 28, 2023 7:31 pm

Kosher animals are sheep, cattle, goats and deer

Nom, nom, nom … 🙂

Pogria
Pogria
December 28, 2023 7:35 pm

JC,
blah, blah, blah. yawn.

Rabz
December 28, 2023 7:36 pm

As lovingly prepared by my Trad Woife! 🙂

JC
JC
December 28, 2023 7:37 pm

Just received a flyer email from out American pal who runs an online business in the US called Reboundwear.

Just a shout out. Seeing the average age of folks posting here is about 105 (with Liz not helping keeping it down) you may need some specialized hospital wear with numerous zippers in all the right places.

She refers to it as “adaptive post surgery clothing” and can be found here:

https://www.reboundwear.com/

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
December 28, 2023 7:38 pm

Winston Smith
Dec 28, 2023 7:24 PM

It’s all on You Choob……………LOL

And Great Music !!!!!

Tekweni
Tekweni
December 28, 2023 7:38 pm

I never thought living in Helensvale would be like living in a war zone. We only lost a boundary fence which got flattened. The neighbourhood though is a mess. Houses with trees crushing them and everywhere downed trees which have smashed fences, cars and caravans. The roadsides are full of debris as people clear their gardens. Roads were blocked and we only got electricity at 7 am this morning. Still multiple areas without power. Losing electricity over Xmas at a time when fridges are full is expensive! We managed to salvage most as we have a camper trailer equipped for off grid travel and have 3 camping fridges. Few people have this sort of setup. Community spirit has been incredible and the SES and Energex have really slaved to get things going. With no internet or phone service for the first 2 days it was like living in the Dark Ages. Yesterday we started to get patchy service but the best thing is having aircon and fans working! Now how to keep a Jack Russell from exploring the neighbourhood! The plastic orange safety fencing we have put up is only a temporary deterent! Going to be awhile to get a new fence and the price is going to be high!

Diogenes
Diogenes
December 28, 2023 7:38 pm

It’s without a doubt one of the top 20 tasty morsels you could ever gulp down.

It’s a pity they, like lobster, crab, bugs (Moreton or Balmain), yabbies, and more than 6 Maloolaba prawns don’t like me. Not allergic, but they trigger my gout, a week of agony, that I would only wish on the inventors of paper straws, bamboo cutlery and Chris Bowen.

Cassie of Sydney
December 28, 2023 7:41 pm

No parmesan on spag bolognese!

JC, I collect obscure and rare cookbooks. I have two cookbooks I treasure. They were authored by an Italian Jewish woman by the name of Edda Servi. She was born in a village in Tuscany called Pitigliano. Until World War II Pitigliano had a thriving Jewish community that dated back to the Renaissance. Anyway, her books are a wonderful treasure trove of recipes, of her family recipes which are quintessentially Italian and Jewish.

Italian Jewish food was (and is) renowned for its use of vegetables, particularly artichokes and fennel. There’s a famous recipe from Pitigliano which is artichokes stuffed with minced beef, it is quite complicated, a dish for high holy days. I have talked to Tinta about one day making it with her.

In his Italian television series a few years ago (which is good viewing) Jamie Oliver visited Pitigliano and he met with the remaining elderly Jewish nona still living in the village. She cooked him “stuffed artichokes”. It was an episode to treasure. There are many other unique dishes from the Jewish of Italy.

The famous Italian cookbook writer Marcella Hazan (I have her recipe books) married into an old Italian Jewish family. She also has some interesting recipes.

Nowadays, across Europe, Jewish food is trendy. There are restaurants in cities like Krakow which serve Jewish style food and play Jewish klezmer music but you can know what’s missing, and that’s Jewish people. Wonder why? Nobody needs to answer that question.

WolfmanOz
December 28, 2023 7:41 pm

WolfmanOz
Dec 28, 2023 7:29 PM

Yup as predicted the comment got a downtick . . . LOLs !

JC
JC
December 28, 2023 7:42 pm

Pogria
Dec 28, 2023 7:35 PM

JC,
blah, blah, blah. yawn.

Pogria, go to bed if you’re tired. You made it sound like it was an official edict, but then when drilling down we find it’s a typical bunch of small minded Australian turds acting selfishly. No one has a freaking right to block access and they should’ve been freaking rammed off the road and left as roadkill. As for the big money angle boo hoo.

Pogria
Pogria
December 28, 2023 7:47 pm

Cassie,
I bought an old book, many years ago, on the Laws of Jewish food preparation. As a cook, baker, food tragic, it fascinates me. Also, as I have read in various books over the years, a lot of Jewish recipes are interesting and delicious precisely because of the laws. The restrictions unleashed a lot of inventiveness when it came to cooking to create delicious meals.

By the way, I went to the old Jewish cemetery at Goulburn today that Katzenjammer had mentioned. It is a very well looked after place. There are only around a dozen graves still visible there. A couple of headstones which you can still read. A cairn has been built from the stone of the caretaker’s cottage that had been there. There are brass placques on the cairn and one of them lists the name of every one who is buried there. It is a calm and reflective little place. I expected a sense of melancholia or even a little sadness as you often find with forgotten, early cemeteries. But, this graveyard has not been forgotten. That and the lovely sunny day, I believe made all the difference. I actually would like to have a picnic there one day on what is left of the foundations of the caretaker’s cottage.

JC
JC
December 28, 2023 7:47 pm

No parmesan on spag bolognese!

I appreciate that. Decent sauce doesn’t require cheese over it. It’s used to cover bad sauce.

The best bol sauce in the world is found at Sant Ambroeus on Madison Ave . Nothing compares. Incomparable.

We brought back their panatone as hand luggage, and again nothing compares.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
December 28, 2023 7:50 pm

WolfmanOz
Dec 28, 2023 7:41 PM

LOL. I gave you an Up Thumb.

Cassie of Sydney
December 28, 2023 7:51 pm

A few years ago the Israeli chief rabbinate declared artichokes were not kosher because of the miniscule bugs (that you can’t see) living in the artichoke leaves. All vegetables need to be soaked in water to rinse out any hidden microscopic bugs. You can imagine what the Italian Jews thought about that! So, the good thing is that the Italian rabbinate told the Israeli rabbinate to get stuffed!

You have no idea about the toxicity of kosher wars in Jewish communities. The wars have been known to cause fist tights and even death threats.

calli
calli
December 28, 2023 7:52 pm

Speaking of panetone, my Jewish Sil loves panetone bread and butter pudding (or so he tells me, the schmooze).

But I always serve it after something like seared salmon.

rosie
rosie
December 28, 2023 7:52 pm

It’s just Igotherefirstism.
Pretty much what aboriginal people want with ‘land rights’.

calli
calli
December 28, 2023 7:53 pm

Wash the artichokes in vinegar water. That’ll kill the bugs! And add extra flavour.

Zafiro
Zafiro
December 28, 2023 7:54 pm

Do Other Races Have Higher IQs Than Others? Thomas Sowell

Not generally. You get a few outliers. Japs are just sandal wearing goldfish tenders h/t Monty Burns. Europeans invent shit. Japs study it and make it better etc. One of the best Brain Surgeons is a Negro USA bloke.

Allergy
Allergy
December 28, 2023 7:55 pm

The proper name is potato fritter.

Rabz
December 28, 2023 7:55 pm

Antonio Carluccio – for me, the most Italiano personage that ever existed – when you’re talking “la Dolce Vita” 🙂

Cassie of Sydney
December 28, 2023 7:56 pm

Wash the artichokes in vinegar water. That’ll kill the bugs! And add extra flavour.”

Yes.

WolfmanOz
December 28, 2023 7:56 pm

Cassie of Sydney
Dec 28, 2023 7:41 PM
In his Italian television series a few years ago (which is good viewing) Jamie Oliver visited Pitigliano and he met with the remaining elderly Jewish nona still living in the village. She cooked him “stuffed artichokes”. It was an episode to treasure. There are many other unique dishes from the Jewish of Italy.

I recall watching that series from Jamie Oliver last year – splendid. I really enjoy his shows as his enthusiasm for what he is cooking is infectious plus the meals look marvellous.

I have a number of his cooking books now as in my retirement from the corporate world I now do most of the cooking at home which Mrs Wolfie really appreciates and enjoys what I prepare – very rewarding.

Salvatore, Iron Publican
December 28, 2023 7:57 pm

Extinction Rebellion, Just Stop Oil, Greenpeace, Animals Australia, & various other groups of dickheads have managed to block all manner of roads, freeways, bridges, ports, etc. for varying lengths of time.
In addition to ruining normal people’s day, they manage to hold up all sorts of high value work operations, transport, etc.

While cops stand & watch.

By that yardstick, a bunch of xenophobic hippies could get away with a blockade of a hick hippie town that is on a dead end road & bypassed by main highways.

Especially if nobody else noticed or cared, & cops were busy with their peak season for domestic violence, general dickheadsmanship & road death toll.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
December 28, 2023 7:58 pm

In Bromley in SE London at school his Teacher called him idle. So he used that for his stage name – Billy Idol – LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OFpfTd0EIs&list=RDEMU8Ako8PjTMKOmVAvqlpBhA&index=10

Cassie of Sydney
December 28, 2023 7:58 pm

I bought an old book, many years ago, on the Laws of Jewish food preparation. As a cook, baker, food tragic, it fascinates me. Also, as I have read in various books over the years, a lot of Jewish recipes are interesting and delicious precisely because of the laws. The restrictions unleashed a lot of inventiveness when it came to cooking to create delicious meals.

Yes it did, Pogs.

JC
JC
December 28, 2023 7:59 pm

She cooked him “stuffed artichokes”.

Mum used to make them. Just delicious.

Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
December 28, 2023 8:00 pm

Jury-less rape cases could compromise fair trials, Law Council of Australia says

Exclusive
By ellie dudley
Legal Affairs Correspondent
7:17PM December 28, 2023
1 Comment

Scrapping juries in sexual assault trials to stop societal “rape myths” from infiltrating courtrooms could compromise a defendant’s right to a fair trial and hinder the administration of justice, the Law Council of Australia has declared.

In extraordinary comments responding to a legal movement to reshape the administration of trials in the wake of MeToo, president Luke Murphy said laws that modified the right to a trial by jury should be passed only after ­“informed discussion and ­extremely careful consideration”.

Mr Murphy’s comments come after The Australian revealed the Attorney-General’s blueprint to overhaul the justice system’s approach to sexual ­assault included a suggestion for greater research into jury-less rape trials as a means to prevent rape myths – false beliefs about sexual violence – from affecting verdicts.

He said while “victim-survivors” of sexual assault were at a “particular disadvantage” to other witnesses in criminal trials, the right to a fair trial by jury must be a fundamental legal principle.

“The right to a fair trial by jury, unless the accused consents to a judge-only trial, remains a fundamental part of the system of criminal justice in Australia, and provides a mechanism for the community to play an important and direct role in the administration of justice,” he said.

“Therefore, any laws that modify the right to a trial by jury require informed discussion and extremely careful consideration.”|

Mr Murphy said the Law Council was “highly supportive” of education designed to “challenge and address ill-conceived and flawed understandings of consent and sexual violence”.

“Improved community awareness of these matters flows through to juries in criminal proceedings, who with the support of appropriate directions will be better placed to identify rape myths or misconceptions,” he said.

The government blueprint, commissioned by Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus’s department and the Australasian Institute of Judicial Administration, was given to state and territory attorneys-general as part of a five-year plan to improve justice for rape victims.

It recommends more research into jury-less trials, despite a pilot program in Scotland being widely criticised by the local legal fraternity and various bar associations saying they would boycott the pilot as it infringed on defendants’ rights to fair trials.

Mr Murphy said he would encourage research into what jurors do not understand during the criminal trial process to “gain more informed insight”.

“Juries must be properly instructed as to legal principles which are, or may be, relevant to determining the particular facts of the case and the application of the law to those facts,” he said.

“Jury directions play a powerful educative role by clarifying the law and legal standards of behaviour required in the context of sexual relations and are important mechanisms by which myths and misconceptions about consent can be addressed.”

The removal of gowns and wigs, remote evidence facilities and a crackdown on “inappropriate” questioning from defence counsel were cited in the blueprint as areas of opportunity to assist sexual assault complainants.

“The Law Council is supportive of measures that will provide ­defence counsel with the expertise to test a complainant’s evidence in a manner that reduces the risk of re-traumatisation, noting that there are strict legal limitations and professional obligations that restrict what the defence can ask during cross-examination,” Mr Murphy said.

“While not mandatory, the provision of specialised professional education that is specific to engaging with vulnerable individuals (including witnesses) in an effective, ethical and professional manner is offered by state and territory peak bodies, and routinely taken up by defence counsel.”

Mr Murphy’s comments come as the Australian Law Reform Commission gears up to launch a two-year inquiry into the way the criminal justice system treats sexual assault victims.

The inquiry, announced in the 2023 federal budget, will engage a “lived experience” expert advisory group to “ensure that victim-survivors’ voices and live experiences are centred in justice responses to sexual violence”.

The government has also commissioned RMIT to study alternative reporting mechanisms for sexual assault complainants “who may not wish to engage directly with police or formal criminal justice processes”, according to the Attorney-General department’s annual progress report.

Roger
Roger
December 28, 2023 8:02 pm

The proper name is potato fritter.

A fritter contains ingredients extra to the potato and batter.

calli
calli
December 28, 2023 8:05 pm

Hey. I get down thumbed all the time. So what. And who cares. Water off of a duck’s back.

Since you’re doing so much of it…so what?

……….LOL!

JC
JC
December 28, 2023 8:06 pm

Except Pogria is talking about Australia in the 90s, which was an entirely different place, Driller. Perhaps on Mud Island, time travels at a faster pace, and the 90s would appear to someone who lives there as seconds between decades. It’s a fast paced life.

Other than triggering, what is the point of that pointless comment anyway?

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
December 28, 2023 8:06 pm

So who doesn’t want to rule the World – Chairman Xi?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGCdLKXNF3w&list=RDEMU8Ako8PjTMKOmVAvqlpBhA&index=11

Bruce
Bruce
December 28, 2023 8:07 pm

@ Johnny Rotten:

“We were poor so we only got a threepence”

One of my grand,others was a kitchen whizz:

Her ‘BOILED in the bag” plum puddings were always littered with old coins, wrapped in grease proof paper and tied with cotton ( to reduce dental havoc). After “dismal guernsey” arrived in 1966, the old coins were still used (allegedly “less toxic” than the”‘new” coins), until she demised from a a stroke in the early 1970s..

Rabz
December 28, 2023 8:07 pm

For when you’re not expounding on hidden microscopic bugs, this is how you play one of the greatest songs in human history, live, Cats! 🙂

Roger
Roger
December 28, 2023 8:07 pm

and meat and milk mixed together are prohibited.

Disgusting. There should be a law against that.

Isn’t milk an ingredient in traditional spaghetti bolognaise?

Rabz
December 28, 2023 8:09 pm

Well, we’re really covering the important issues, again, Cats – how to prepare and cook fried potato treats … 😕

JC
JC
December 28, 2023 8:11 pm

Isn’t milk an ingredient in traditional spaghetti bolognaise?

Good point. I’ll ask next time. 🙂

Cassie of Sydney
December 28, 2023 8:14 pm

Isn’t milk an ingredient in traditional spaghetti bolognaise?

Not in my recipe.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
December 28, 2023 8:15 pm

Simple Minds – This one is for Tennis Elbow and Blackout Bowen who both have simple minds –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdqoNKCCt7A&list=RDEMU8Ako8PjTMKOmVAvqlpBhA&index=12

Rabz
December 28, 2023 8:16 pm

That’s when I’m not imagining Miss Eva as my trad woife preparing some stuffed Yartichokes, I tells ya! 😕

Roger
Roger
December 28, 2023 8:17 pm

Not in my recipe.

No, but I did say traditional, as in Italian.

I once made it and it was a silky smooth sauce.

JC
JC
December 28, 2023 8:19 pm

Roger

My mother never used milk, and wifey doesn’t either since she thinks it’s sinful to eat more than 20 calories a day.

Lee
Lee
December 28, 2023 8:19 pm

A few years ago the Israeli chief rabbinate declared artichokes were not kosher because of the miniscule bugs (that you can’t see) living in the artichoke leaves. All vegetables need to be soaked in water to rinse out any hidden microscopic bugs. You can imagine what the Italian Jews thought about that! So, the good thing is that the Italian rabbinate told the Israeli rabbinate to get stuffed!

Cassie, given the push from the Greenie Elites for the rest of us to eat insects instead of meat, what is or would be the Jewish position on this?

Digger
Digger
December 28, 2023 8:19 pm

Heres a clue…

potato cake
potato scallop
escalope

Take your pick…. easy.

Speaking of sea scallops. It was not unusual for us to gather up to half a cubic metre of them while we were diving in Jervis Bay. We shared them with the locals at Wreck Bay, Hyams Beach or Huskisson and cook several dozen ourselves on the BBQ. Put them upside down on the hot plate, wait for them to open, cut the muscle, add a squirt of Worcestershire sauce and tabasco with a touch of pepper… two minutes max… to die for

Roger
Roger
December 28, 2023 8:19 pm

Well, we’re really covering the important issues, again, Cats – how to prepare and cook fried potato treats …

Bubble & squeak…leftover mashed or baked potato?

Lee
Lee
December 28, 2023 8:21 pm

Isn’t milk an ingredient in traditional spaghetti bolognaise?

I use milk in the various pastas I make.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
December 28, 2023 8:21 pm
Roger
Roger
December 28, 2023 8:22 pm

My mother never used milk, and wifey doesn’t either since she thinks it’s sinful to eat more than 20 calories a day.

You really should try it one day, JC.

JC
JC
December 28, 2023 8:24 pm

You really should try it one day, JC.

I most likely have and didn’t know, because I never grew up with that. I was thinking more like a hunk of beef, or lamb with the recipe requiring milk or cream. The initial thought made it sound disgusting.

Cassie of Sydney
December 28, 2023 8:25 pm

Cassie, given the push from the Greenie Elites for the rest of us to eat insects instead of meat, what is or would be the Jewish position on this?”

NO, never. Eating bugs is forbidden in the Torah, from Leviticus.

Am pretty sure Muslims wouldn’t eat bugs either.

cohenite
December 28, 2023 8:27 pm

Indolent
Dec 28, 2023 7:14 PM
OBAMA Swoops in to SAVE Claudine Gay? Harvard President REFUSING to Resign for Plagiarism: Report

That’s extraordinary: obuma is a poofta and Gay is as gay as goldfish; both are complete frauds and elitist dickheads. They could be brothers; or sisters.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
December 28, 2023 8:28 pm
Winston Smith
December 28, 2023 8:29 pm

Diogenes
Dec 28, 2023 7:38 PM

It’s without a doubt one of the top 20 tasty morsels you could ever gulp down.

It’s a pity they, like lobster, crab, bugs (Moreton or Balmain), yabbies, and more than 6 Maloolaba prawns don’t like me. Not allergic, but they trigger my gout, a week of agony, that I would only wish on the inventors of paper straws, bamboo cutlery and Chris Bowen.

Same here – we should start a club.
Because I have to have Prednisone here just in case, I hit the bastard gout with 2×25 mg twice a day for two days and a further 25mg on day 3. Add a couple of lasix to get the kidneys doing their job and also add urinary alkinalyser – the ladies have always got that stuff around for obvious reasons. I make up a 4l bottle of water with 8 of those little packets per day. Alkaline urine, I am told, helps dissolve extra uric acid crystals – it seems to work.
My Bouts O’Gout only seem to last 3 days – a week of that pain is too much.
You have a specialist doc to talk with?
(This is not professional medical advice. I’m just an old bush nurse.)
The docs go crook on me, but I don’t care.

Wally Dalí
Wally Dalí
December 28, 2023 8:29 pm

Weighing in from WA-
If there has ever been a “potato scallop”- or cake or fritter- on the chalkboard of a fish’n’chip shop over here, I’ve never seen nor heard of it.
Battered scallops were once a mainstay of the now hard-to-find Fisherman’s Basket- along with a long bit of white fish or flake and a battered prawn or two, tail on, minimum chips. Like most things in life, they were cheaper, bigger and tastier when I was a kid.
“Scallop” obviously refers to the coup cut shape, like vitello scallopini. You can even get a “scalp” off of a head, if you’re reading Jack Reacher, GoT, etc.
…or the pure and nifty round of meat which comes out of the big, flat bivalve marine molluscs we call “scallops”.
Try eating them raw, out of high longitude fjord deltas, Scotland, Norway. Oh my lord, they even pulse as you go nom nom nom….
Totally worth it, Calli.

cohenite
December 28, 2023 8:30 pm

My mother never used milk, and wifey doesn’t either since she thinks it’s sinful to eat more than 20 calories a day.

It’s not the quantity but the quality of the calories. Dairy gets a bad reputation because of the lactose intolerant limp wristers who suffer chronic flatulence. When I want to bulk up to 120kgs I always include some dairy in the diet.

JC
JC
December 28, 2023 8:30 pm

That’s extraordinary: obuma is a poofta and Gay is as gay as goldfish;

You reckon the Kenyan was banging the drowned cook? There’s something that went on there. 🙂

Zafiro
Zafiro
December 28, 2023 8:30 pm

Jamie Oliver. Are you serious? Wanker City. Every Chef reckons that..

Gordon Ramsay

Anthony Bourdain

Even massive pooves like Ainsley Harriott,

Get with the program,

Roger
Roger
December 28, 2023 8:31 pm

I was thinking more like a hunk of beef, or lamb with the recipe requiring milk or cream. The initial thought made it sound disgusting.

OK…well, fillet that hunk of beef and add sour cream for stroganoff.

There’s a lamb equivalent too.

calli
calli
December 28, 2023 8:32 pm

Exodus 23:19

It was considered an idolatrous practise to boil a lamb (kid) in its mother’s milk.

When you think of the implications, quite so. Horrible, creepy, nasty, cruel.

I understand where the restriction originates.

Roger
Roger
December 28, 2023 8:32 pm

And, of course, the classic steak sauces are usually butter or cream based.

Roger
Roger
December 28, 2023 8:35 pm

If there has ever been a “potato scallop”- or cake or fritter- on the chalkboard of a fish’n’chip shop over here, I’ve never seen nor heard of it.

One of life’s simple pleasures, Wally, whatever you call it.

Johnny Rotten
Johnny Rotten
December 28, 2023 8:37 pm
Rabz
December 28, 2023 8:37 pm

the Kenyan was banging the drowned cook?

Presumably while the latter* was preparing some fried potato treats 😕

*Before going “glug, glug glug, bluurp” …

cohenite
December 28, 2023 8:38 pm

You reckon the Kenyan was banging the drowned cook?

The only thing obuma has fuked is the US. He’s a taker and his arse is a 6 lane highway. Obuma’s hubbie did the cook in; he’s got sole rights to the chocolate factory and the cook was trespassing.

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