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Garfunkel saved his friend from despair after he became blind. To this day they are still friends. The song Darkness…
‘Nice interview in the WSJ with former Soviet dissident about Ukraine and what it all means.’As a rule, dissidents have…
Thanks Donald
She sounds like a bit of a retard. Who the hell thinks they can just bring animal products into the…
@ calli:
“How quickly this once decent country has descended into the abyss.
Once a penal colony, ALWAYS a penal colony?
By way of contract, I’m remembering the immaculately coiffed and groomed Royal Australian Air Force stewardess, smiling a welcome to the dog tired stubble-hoppers, burdened with packs, rifles and webbing, and bloody glad to be going home…
Note the lack of emotive adjectives preceding the neutral word ‘attacked’ which, were the racial characteristics reversed, would have consisted of ‘viciously,’ violently,’ etc.
[I refuse to link to the source].
Apologies for harping on the same topic, but the vehemence I feel for the enemies within cannot be adequately described.
To wit: Even recent media articles about Lee Rigby describe him being ‘killed’ rather than murdered (the difference of course being intent), and the initial attempted vehicular homicide as “he was hit by a car driven by …”
The vermin who wrote this article were simply p!ssing on his grave, and the now fatherless life of his young son.
F@ck the dinosaur media and their deviant sexual pathologies.
One drew life in the tronk, the other drew 45 years. The only sentence should have involved a black cap, and the words ‘and may God have mercy on your soul.”
ZK2A at 10:18.
And thank you for your service, soldier.
I hear Marcus Adonis has put his hand up to be Harvard CEO.
Should be fine.
I read former HRH , Prince Andrew scored a few mentions in the Epstein “diaries” and he’s beside himself.
Long way from being adored by the British public for bonking a few underage girls.
Let’s not forget Rigby murder was so bad he had to be identified by his dental records.
And the two a$$holes who attacked him in the name of Allah pleaded not guilty.
And worse than perhaps all of this, the judge ruled their actions were a violation of Islamic teachings. GGF’d!!!
First name to come up as a replacement. Ackman backs him 100%.
I’m remembering a visit to the old Gaol, at Fremantle, quite a few years ago. The tour terminated in the execution chamber, at the gallows. Most of the tour group were staring, in awful fascination, at the gallows, when the tour guide slammed the door behind them, and we watched them jump….
Sanchez
That reminds me, did the Driller submit the citation defending his claim the NAB was skimming 10% on cash deposits in the 90s? I never saw the reply.
You’re welcome, Sancho. The Gold card and the pension made it all even.
I remind Cats to infiltrate this “twin” blog when you’re bored, or just for fun:
https://www.pollbludger.net/ Go to “open forum” and you’ll be thankful Dover has provided us Cats with a haven!
JC, I’d love to see you there teaching these morons some economics.
I only ask as it is run by a former fellow politics lecturer at UWA who is still on a stipend there, despite now financially backing the Teals.
William Bowe is his name and he’s less than dog excrement.
Yeah, nah.
I’m putting that in the “Maybe Never Happened” file.
(I note Arky and a few other Cats go there from time to time to stir up trouble against his agreementariat).
The references from Steven Hawkins at Oxford would have helped.
He’s harder to find than Davey Warner’s caps these days.
I’m sticking that in the GST, 53 licences&permits basket, plus the others basket.
I’m sure he’ll come through with the goods though.
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Lysander , I’ll check it out.
Unfortunately, it feeds into the prevalence of statism, ticket clipping, big business, unions and learned helplessness we have.
The NBN and NDIS wouldn’t fly in ostensibly capitalist USA nor ostensibly social democrat Canada.
It’s an infestation worse than TheirGayBc JC…
An “academics’ blog” ugh… vomit.
Lysander
Jan 3, 2024 11:04 PM
Tried to register. will not accept my genuine creds, so much for that.
Tells me, ‘contact site admin’, sorry, not important enough.
Just like Reddit.
The voteherd leftist trolls respond then block you or curate your first post in any community.
Reddit has had 10 funding rounds and still isn’t profitable. Over 1 bn USD pissed away. I think only Y Combinator may have made a capital gain.
LOL!
This one’s for Rabz…..
I think we finally have definitive proof in the trucks with vindaloo trapdoor settings.
Cassie of Sydney
Jan 3, 2024 6:55 PM
I’ve known plenty of men who’ve lied.
What Lies?
Apologies Cassie, I will slink away, but I have always liked this clip!
Winston Smith
Jan 3, 2024 9:56 PM
The Americans are getting very pissed off at the antics of the Democrats who are shitting on America and its traditions at every opportunity. Another Obama Presidency will be the insult that broke their patience.
I hear what you are saying, Winston but my view is a bit different. I have a longer than 50 year relationship with many retired US military personnel in EOD, Army and Navy special forces, most of whom are Conservative voters. They talk a tough talk but they enjoy their life style far to much to jeopardise it by doing anything that resembles radical actions. My view is they will rant and rave a bit but none will take to the streets and start destroying stuff like the leftists enjoy doing so much… knowing that DOJ has January 6 style ramifications up their sleeve will keep them from raising a finger. They would rather have another Obama and see the country go down the gurgler than the prospect of years in a federal prison…
Hard to see how the Wookie in the White House would be that much different fro today.
Currently listening to Simple Minds: Once Upon A Time
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=9qELwuAdrZM&list=OLAK5uy_nob0ZQlmlBEhopO-nDUzJr0ns_ROTd_UY
As good as it ever was, except YouTube insists on substitution of some original songs with the remastered editions. Alas my original was a tape recorded off the radio…
Digger
That’s true to some extent, until the lit fuse hits the dynamite stick.
Don’t forget, this is the place that fought Indian wars, the war of independence, the frogs, Spanish, Mexicans, themselves. They aren’t like us. Get enough riled up and they will go for it.
I think white people are like I suggest. They try to avoid bad stuff until they don’t. We saw an example of this in Ireland and it’s just about looking like it could boil over in the rest of Europe. Keep pushing and eventually they can go nuts.
John Spooner.
Mark Knight.
Peter Broelman.
Brett Lethbridge.
Michael Ramirez.
A.F. Branco. Brilliant.
Matt Margolis.
Matt Margolis #2.
Gary Varvel.
Tom Stiglich.
Lisa Benson.
Tom
Jan 4, 2024 4:24 AM
Brilliant reference to Steve Crowder.
This is how they roll:
The release of the long-awaited Jeffrey Epstein list of associates and high profile friends has been thrown into chaos by a woman who claims she will be in danger if named in her ‘culturally conservative country’.
The entire list of 187 names was due to become public this week, but a filing by a woman named in the court papers as ‘John Doe 107’ appears to have stalled it and caused confusion.
On December 21, Judge Loretta Preska granted the woman a 30-day appeal, delaying the release of her name until January 22nd. She has until then to prove that she will be in danger if she is unmasked.
Daily Mail
Beertruk
Jan 4, 2024 4:32 AM
Sorry, which one?
Not that familiar with Steve, only know of him.
About that universally beloved hero of the Islamic revolution General Soleimani…
More than 100 killed in blasts at memorial for top Iranian general Soleimani
Uh huh.
I was wondering if anyone, even with a camera crew in tow, would wear a kippah down Lakemba way?
A couple of these rolling through Lakemba would give the locals a brain explosion.
If they had a brain.
Followed by a couple of these.
Thanks Tom.
KevinM
Jan 4, 2024 4:48 AM
This one Kevin.
Steve Crowder did ‘Change My Mind,’ usually on a college campus.
College lefties tying themselves up in knots tring to debate against him.
Not a ‘Change My Mind’ turnout but is this one is a classic:
Social Justice Warriors Get Owned In Epic Rant By Comedian (Crowder)
Beertruk
Jan 4, 2024 4:53 AM
I was wondering if anyone, even with a camera crew in tow, would wear a kippah down Lakemba way?
Hot Kippah’s are nice for breakfast with melted butter and sprinkled with black pepper.
Today’s Tele has a piece about ‘diversity’ getting bail after being on remand for three months with the usual bs, ‘kind-hearted, family-oriented man, bullied at school, rellies killed in war etc etc etc…’
Don’t want to post the whole piece incase it goes into ‘moderation.’
Today’s Tele last half of the piece:
TEEN’S UNIT ATTACK HELL
EXCLUSIVE – SHANNON TONKIN AND TAMARYN MCGREGORA
4 Jan 2024
Al-Athmany was arrested later that day and charged with aggravated sexual assault in company relating to the first female. No charges have been laid in relation to his alleged conduct towards the second female.
Al-Athmany spent more than three months behind bars on remand before being granted strict conditional bail to live with his parents and brother in the family’s Western Sydney home.
When the Telegraph visited the house yesterday, a shirtless Al-Athmany was seen standing on the front lawn of the property and speaking briefly on the phone, before ending the call and darting behind a dark flyscreen door concealing the front entrance.
When approached by the Telegraph and asked at the blacked-out door if he wished to comment on the sexual assault allegation, Al-Athmany said he had been been “falsely accused” and did not have anything further to add.
“There’s not much to say,” he said.
Meanwhile, Al-Athmany’s father, Bassam Alothmani, provided a letter to the court in support of his son’s application for bail, saying the family had settled in Australia in 2011 after surviving war in Iraq and Syria, which had killed many of his relatives.
He said his son had been the victim of bullying at multiple schools in Sydney and suffered from depression and anxiety.
He went on to label his son a “kind-hearted, family-oriented man”.
Prosecutors opposed Al-Athmany’s release from custody, saying the case against him was a strong one and his release from custody would put the community at risk.
However, Justice Richard Button agreed to release Al-Athmany on a $30,000 surety but not without reservations.
“My mind has wavered very much as to whether or not in light of the gravity of what’s alleged he should spend many, many months in custody bail refused until all of this is resolved,” Justice Button said.
“I’ve reached the point where on balance I’ve shied away from that.
“But I don’t doubt that he and his whole family understand … that if he breaches his bail by a millimetre my intention is he goes back to jail and stays there.
“I’ve come to the view that although there are unquestionably risks here, they are just barely mitigated by the rigour of what’s been proposed by his barrister to the point of being rendered acceptable.”
As part of his bail conditions, Al-Athmany is required to live at the family home around the clock and can only leave in the company of his father or brother – and only for medical emergencies, legal – appointments or to report to police once a day.
He is also banned from accessing the internet and must continue receiving treatment for his mental health. The matter will return to court in February.
Today’s Tele:
LOTS OF HATE AS IMAMS RAIL AGAINST JEWS,
ISRAEL
ANDREW BOLT
4 Jan 2024
Three days before Christmas, Imam Ahmad Zoud preached at Sydney’s Masjid As-Sunnah mosque on what Jews were really like.
Posted on the mosque’s Facebook page, his sermon is one more reason to believe allowing the mass immigration of Muslims – without properly considering how Islam would fit in – has been a mistake.
“The most important characteristic of the Jews is that they are bloodthirsty,” Zoud insisted.
“They love to shed blood. From an early age, they raise their children on terrorism, violence and killing.”
True, Zoud said not all Jews were like this, “just most of them”.
But by “most” Zoud seemed to really mean “all”, as he vilified the Jewish “cowards” now fighting in Gaza against the Hamas terrorists he described as holy warriors, or “mujahideen”.
“Who are these monsters from whose hearts mercy has been ripped out?” Zoud cried.
“These are the Jews. Betrayal and treachery are among the characteristics of the Jews.”
Zoud is not the only Sydney imam to spread a medieval anti-Jew tribalism that has so many Jews here fearing for their safety.
When Hamas started this war with Israel by slaughtering 1200 Jews, Imam Ibrahim Dadoun, for instance, was filmed shouting in a street in Lakemba: “It’s a day of victory.”
In Sydney’s Al Madina Dawah Centre, Abu Ousayd quoted the sacred Hadith to vilify Jews as the “descendants of pigs and monkeys” and foretold the day “when the stones and trees” would say “there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him”.
At the As-Sunnah mosque, Zoud is one of several imams to paint this conflict as a holy war between Muslims and evil Jews and their Western allies. You wonder how people so opposed to the West now live in it.
Sheik Kamal Taleb last month also attacked Jews: “We are dealing with an evil and wicked people.
People who are against humanity. They always vie and strive to cause mischief on earth.”
Don’t our hate-speech laws apply to Muslim clerics?
Taleb berated the West too: “Some countries, Western countries, are arming … this criminal Israeli apartheid Nazi regime.”
But good news for the faithful: “Even famous people, singers and actors, sports people, are calling (Israel’s war) for what it is — a genocide, ethnic cleansing, apartheid, war crimes … Islam’s holy Shrine, this is who you are defending.”
When Prime Minister Anthony Albanese praises Test cricketer Usman Khawaja for crusading for Gaza, this kind of imam takes heart.
Last Friday it was the turn of Lebanese-born Sheik Bilal Dannoun, who preached that Islam threatened the ideology of the West — and he meant it as a compliment.
“Look at what is happening at the moment in Palestine,” he urged.
“Look at what happened in Afghanistan, look at what happened in Syria, look at what happened in Iraq, in Burma, in Kashmir. It has always been the believer, why is it the believers?”
Forgetting that some of these wars were started by Muslims or included Muslims slaughtering Muslims, Dannoun claimed Muslims were being picked on: “Why is it that we don’t see something similar with other religions? Because the other faiths are not a threat. They are not a threat to Western ideology. But Islam is a threat.”
If an Australian imam says Islam is a threat to “Western ideology”, maybe our politicians should consider that in deciding our immigration intake. After all, Abdul Nacer Benbrika was released only last month after spending 18 years in jail for conspiring to attack the Melbourne Cricket Ground, the nuclear reactor at Lucas Heights and other targets. But why had Labor politicians let this Algerian live
among us?
He’d refused to go home when his visitor’s visa expired and also when he was declared a prohibited non-citizen. Yet the Keating Labor Government granted him citizenship in 1995, allowing him to claim benefits for years and become the spiritual leader of 16 other would-be terrorists.
He’s now reformed, he insisted this week. Son Ibrahim said they were “like any other family”.
That’s only true if your family includes a convicted terrorist; a son (Ibrahim) convicted of theft, transporting unauthorised fireworks and other crimes; another son (Bakr) found to belong to a small WhatsApp group with three convicted terrorists; and a third son (Oussama) who swapped dozens of messages with the gangster brother of an Australian who died fighting for the Islamic State.
If that’s now an Australian family “like any other”, our immigration program is more dangerous than even I suspected. Time our politicians got serious.
A puzzling massive attack in Iran at the gravesite of Qassem Suleimani where thousands mourned the 4th anniversary of his death by a US drone.
A by ideas?
Luzu
Jan 3, 2024 6:34 PM
Cats and Kittehs,
Any ideas on how to minimise CGT on a rental property that I have owned for 10 years?
Option to consider;
Sell your own home. Make the rental your primary place of residence. Do the rental up to your ideal retirement requirements whilst investing the return on your home sale. Whilst doing the house up go for a caravanning holiday or cruise or just rent a holiday home. You will avoid CGT altogether.
Otherwise the tips previously offered by other Cats are relevant. I would add another tip having been through the process recently. I was hit with a mindboggling CGT bill on the sale of a rental property but was able to negotiate with the ATO to pay it off in monthly instalments over 5 years and without interest on the amount owing. The money owing in tax is invested securely currently returning more than the interest rate, so it is buffering the tax impact. (I may have been lucky as this was during the covid lock down and I think the ATO took pity on me). Good luck with it all.
No.
But think of the trade-offs!
Felafel, kibbeh, flat bread and hummus! And the cultural enrichment of black letterboxes sunbathing at the local beach!
Andrew Bolt on a dickhead masquerading as Prime Minister:
Oh my! I forgot the reeking, barely warmed tower of rotating kebab. How remiss of me.
These descriptions fit his co-religionists, not the Jews.
Not with a dumb old Trot in charge. That’s the entire game plan.
Someone’s down early. Good morning.
Where else will they get all the Centrelink goodies? Certainly not in any Muslim country.
No, Islam is not a threat, it’s muslims who follow it and act on it who are the threat.
Meanwhile, the NSWaffen Police aka our local ‘Dhimmi patrols’ are ‘monitoring’ the situation. Don’t you feel so safe? Pardon my sarcasm. This Jew doesn’t feel safe. I cannot describe to you the apprehension we Jews here in Australia feel.
Why don’t we feel safe? We know from history, not distant history but from recent history, that incendiary words against Jews lead to incendiary actions against Jews.
Is that a trick question? None of our Western laws apply to the ROP – not whilst they are prepared to turn out in their thousands at the drop of a hat.
Its the game plan for the entire west … and its well on the way to fruition.
dumb old Trot.
An apt description.
He has obviously chosen his people. Jews and Christians don’t matter.
The turn to the responsible Right in Europe suggests a bump in the road along that way.
I take it Albo will not be wearing a Deb Conway T-shirt or going to her concerts.
“The turn to the responsible Right in Europe suggests a bump in the road along that way.”
Yeah, but will they do anything? I reckon…….NOT.
Like too many parties of the right, they’re cowards. They talk the good talk but they fail to walk the good talk.
Associated Press opining that conservatives have unleashed a new weapon in their war against progressives in academia:
Plagiarism!
How could those damned conservatives stoop so low?
Calli, your down-ticker just wants your attention which would not be forthcoming if mixed in with the rest of us up-tickers.
This is absolutely fantastic. He puts them back in their box, and then some!
Chris Carapezza
@Chris_Carapezza
WAPO reporter doubles down: You didn’t say that you condemn white supremacy though.
She immediately regrets it.
@VivekGRamaswamy isn’t going to play the game.
The fear of “right wing populism” (aka common sense) has already led to the EU revising its policies on “irregular migration”, Cassie. Processing will be streamlined to make deportations easier and detention centres will be built near border crossings to hold illegal entrants in the meantime. EU elections this year!
Killing a teenager is now “health care”.
‘Let teens access assisted dying’ (Paywallian)
That place is getting worse and worse. No wonder you have guys like Albo and Bowen acting the way they do, there seems to be something really nasty in the air in Canberra.
Nigel Farage certainly fighting the good fight. Exposing the despicable pommy establishment. What a guy.
Thanks Roger. Always the optimist.
Our antipodean “bumps” are usually potholes. Hopefully the Convoy of Incompetence falls into a deep one and we can seal it over fast. Like they do with toxic waste.
I know Crossie. Perhaps he’s in luuuurve. Unless it’s a chick. Eeeeeew!
This bloke is tone deaf.
No wonder his taste in music is off.
I note that the dumb old Trot from housing commission is now talking about four year terms. LOL, of course the dumb old Trot is, he and his frump are just loving the perks of the job. And when the dumb old Trot talks about “four year terms”, he means “fixed”. Scrolling back I see that someone accurately pointed out that the issue here is “fixed”, which is now the standard across most Australian states. Let me just say this, fixed four year terms are a disaster for our political system and for our country, they are anathema to the Westminster system. They are also a disaster for conservative and right-wing parties. There is no circuit breaker, people who go on about fixed four or five year terms often reference the American system or French systems, forgetting there are circuit breakers in both those political systems, and in the US they’re known as the mid-terms. However, such clear blinding logic won’t stop our dumb politicians in the Liberal and National parties from jumping on this four year term bandwagon. Do they not realise that fixed four year terms simply favour the left? This is blindingly obvious. No doubt they’ll support the dumb old Jew hating Trot in his mission to enact fixed four year terms.
Re General Qassem Suleimani death anniversary “twin” bombing.
I’d put my money on the Sunni ( Islamic State or one of the off shoots, deobandis..). An anniversary event is a good way to filter the people, so you would only get Shia. He was hated by the Sunni. I believe there are 8 million in Iran.
Reminds me of the bombing in Kharachi. They bombed the parade, waited for the ambulances and then shot up the hospital as they knew the relations of the wounded would be there.
“We are not in Kansas anymore, Allegra”
Too much singing to the choir, the Adhan in his case.
Purcell it ain’t.
The first rung on the ladder to ‘President for Life’.
Cricket carnage in South Africa.
South Africa rolled for 55, then India loses six wickets for no runs in extraordinary Test match (4 Jan)
Does look to be a green top, but that shouldn’t be especially unusual.
As to those who think my description of the NSWaffen Police as “Dhimmi patrols” might be too unkind……
1. Convoys of cars are now routinely driving through Jewish suburbs in the eastern suburbs with Palestinian flags flying. The NSWaffen Police simply stand back and ‘monitor’ the situation.
2. Now try organising a convoy of cars to drive from Sydney’s eastern suburbs to Lakemba, Bankstown, Punchbowl with Israeli flags flying. I can guarantee you those cars with Israeli flags flying will be stopped at Newtown.
Dhimmitude. They’ve won. It is now their right to intimidate Jews and Christians and our police force will stand back, do nothing and monitor the situation. No wonder they’re empowered. They’re laughing at us.
As I’ve said many times before, calli, what is life without hope?
Of course, things in this world must be kept in perspective and ordered properly and I have a hope of life beyond this one, but the seemingly mundane realm of politics is very much a theatre in the war against the “principalities and powers” which we should engage in, each according to his calling.
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Jan 3, 2024 10:43 PM
Michael Adebolajo, 29, and Michael Adebowale, 22,
One drew life in the tronk, the other drew 45 years. The only sentence should have involved a black cap, and the words ‘and may God have mercy on your soul.”
I know it isn’t how western society operates but part of me can’t believe Lee Rigby’s regiment didn’t empty their barracks to immediately go and destroy every vestige of islam in the area as well as make a trial unnecessary for the two scum.
Nothing wrong at all. Good bowlers, handy fielders and rubbish batsmen.
Everything is being done on purpose.
Stoke divisions within the country (the voice, tacit palli support, DEI etc).
Destroy the economy (the green dream)
“We are not in Kansas anymore, Allegra”
Oh my God she’s a vacuous slug, and that’s unfair to slugs. At a rally five weeks ago, this vacuous slug got up and talked about climate change and how a Palestinian woman in Wentworth wrote to her to complain about being threatened. Yeah right, and I believe in santa claus.
True that. Your comment about the “bump” reminded me of Dot and the meteorite/Deccan traps theory. 😀
Again with cricket on his mind, Albanese praised Test batsman Usman Khawaja “for the courage he has shown standing up for human values”.
I have watched none of the cricket this summer. In previous years I was a big fan. The wokeism and now the pro Hamas is relentless. Not my team.
Binge watched SLOW HORSES 3 last night .. excellent except for a very over-the-top final episode …
Definitely NOT the sort of behaviour you expect from MI5 goodies/baddies .. LOL! .. dropping an 8.5 effort to 7 …..
They are very quick of the mark .. after the last episode (6), which only aired this week, they previewed highlights from season 4 ………..
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5875444/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_8_nm_0_q_slow%2520horses
but was able to negotiate with the ATO to pay it off in monthly instalments over 5 years and without interest on the amount owing.
If you commit to this plan it’s important to meet monthly payments as promised. They do warn that interest owed is not waived but that ‘we will look at it again at the end’. If payments have been made as promised then the interest is waived. At least, that was my experience.
Conservatives pounce has been dropped from the AP style guide.
I take it Albo will not be wearing a Deb Conway T-shirt or going to her concerts.
Course he will! .. if there’s one thing Luigi has in spades it’s …
unlimitled amounts of “clueless” ……!
If payments have been made as promised then the interest is waived. At least, that was my experience.
Wonder who copycatted who? .. Hardly Normal or the ATO … LOL!
Plenty of ‘austere religious scholars’ on the picture wireless news today.
They all seem to be cranky about something or other.
The electorate has set him one goal this year: address the cost of living (including housing).
He’ll be marked down if he fails and drastically so if he’s seen to be courting minority issues instead.
That was the take way from the Voice.
In When Enough Cultural Enrichment Is Never Enough news:
Who knew that ‘asylum seekers’ were an investment?
One way to start repayment on the investment Mr Giles is to help Victoriastan towns being flooded clean up and rebuild. Show that they are willing to assimilate.
And you don’t get to blame the Coalition for this. You’ve been in government for nearly 2 years. I think he’s feeling a bit of heat after the ‘refugee’ release. As he should along with Clare O’Neill.
And this is why their sermons are more and more aggressive. The authorities, state and federal, have backed off so they feel empowered to take up a notch each week.
All that the Supreme Court did was to return the decision on abortion to state legislatures, rather than keeping it in the hands of unelected judges.
The leftard reaction was a panic about the possibility of state legislatures being lobbied by voters, and making the “wrong” decision.
QLD’s Boy premier Steven Miles (who once publicly called then PM Scott Morrison a c*nt) has come under fire for holidaying while the Gold Coast region experiences catastrophic flooding and related damage, with some people expected to be without power for 10 days.
The Courier Mail’s Damien Tomlinson says Miles being under fire for taking a holiday while the Gold Coast was being inundated with floods was a “standard set by the left” and he now has to “conform” to that standard.
Hoist with his own petard!
There has been something about the Trot that has been twitching in the back of what I laughingly refer to as my mind.
But now it has come to me – Brylcreem.
The clown looks exactly like the Brylcreem Labor commos of the 60’s. Looks like, sounds like, acts like – dinosaur.
Gosh…they really never leave the trough, do they?
How’s that for a business model. Create the demand and buy the solution.
Pfizer Makes $43 Billion Bet That ‘Turbo Cancers’ Are Going To Explode Around The World
The old Trot is dumb, but he’s wily and canny.
The stupid effing Liberals, particularly under Turdbull and Scumbag, were both dumb and guileless. Whilst Dutton is neither, his wets, such as Bummingham and all of the NSW Liberals, are.
Vanuatu? The tropical paradise? Maybe it gets boring enough after a while that you need to seek asylum.
The Bee. Accurate as always
Epstein List Hangs Itself Moments Before Release
Four year terms and KRuddy’s reforms will make it harder to get thrown out of the Lodge than as the Australian Test wicket keeper.
Very angry about top hamas men being made into mincemeat in Beirut.
Let teens access assisted dying
Ah yes, I recall how, even recently, the likes of me and others who opined the “slippery slope” argument were mocked, scorned and ridiculed.
And we could have had middle eastern food without mudlims, Lebanon Christians and middle eastern Jews were there first.
Hummus is in bible.
Indolent
But the dozens of vaccines we give to babies is beyond reproach.
Covid was a monumental scam because *all* of disease-based medicine is a monumental scam. It’s as wrong today as it was when we were bleeding people to fix “humors”.
Delta from last night on ACT assisted suicide health care. Disgusting doesn’t come into it. Its not ok for her doctor to root her, but its ok to kill her. The Liars and Greenies have a lot to answer for. Followed by the SFL who are soft cock liars in the ACT and every state in Australia. The Federal SFL are starting to develop a backbone but I really doubt I’ll see it in my lifetime. These people are actually worse than the muzzies as they are our freinds and neighbours who supposedly have our best interests at heart. I can only wish before I die I can inflict as much pain upon them as they do to us.
Like I’ve said many times, the only difference between covid and every other “vaccine preventable” disease is that it was the first one in history where those who were treated for it were *more* likely to get tested for it (rather than less).
If we had tested polio vaxed people then it would have been clear that that vaccine was a complete failure. Same for smallpox or measles or Hep B etc. But we didn’t/don’t test polio/measles/Hep B vaxed people – doctors largely refuse to do so.
(NB the tests are a joke of course but I am talking about being clear even by the standards of the medical community.)
Which is how it was designed/tinkered with to work, per Amendment X.
He doesn’t care.
Same as Biden, he’s a suicide bomber.
Complete failure?
Is that why polio is largely a non-issue in at least the developed world these days? How did this happen?
His problem is the Labor caucus does.
Release those Iraq war documents?
Find Davey’s caps?
What?
It’s a Freudian slip, the investment is in more voters for the liars party.
Is that why polio is largely a non-issue in at least the developed world these days? How did this happen?
Indeed.
Write to her, tell her you have been threatened, as you have. Ask for her assistance in ensuring that the streets of her electorate are safe for all.
Then stand back and watch the squirming.
Am off to cricket. Wearing a big Magen David around my neck.
Yes, like the people who assured us that gay marriage wouldn’t lead to things like the grooming of children with drag queen story time.
If you see on the news tonight a report of a woman being charged at the cricket for wearing a “Zionist” symbol around her neck, it’ll be me!
If that was a typo, it unintentionally works. If it was deliberate, congratulations.
Chuckle…
ABC viewers – well, the ones not eating mush in nursing homes – have named their 10 top recipes for 2023.
Only two contain meat, if you can call tuna and prawns “meat.”
Very off trend.
hahaha,
The Mail has pixellated the Quntus stewards’ face. Too late!
Of course they are. They are an investment in votes.
Figures, I went to school in the 40’s and 50s and saw plenty of cases of polio that left kids maimed. They remarkably ceased after the introduction of the Salk vaccine and later the Sabin deactivated live virus vaccine.
Your theories are not well supported, and I think they can be very dangerous if put into parental rejection of important childhood vaccines, here and in the third world.
I have no further comment to make to you on this matter. Others can try if they like.
Rigby’s regiment was probably paraded, and told “You will NOT take revenge – let the courts do their job!”
Jeffrey Epstein list WILL be released with first names dropping today: ‘Jane Doe’ 107 and another to remain secret for 30 days
Daily Mail
A Mussie “Poet”, is claiming that the Cricket episode of Bluey is promoting Arab Genocide.
I wonder if Khawaji will demand to wear shoes with “I hate Bluey”, written on them?
Cassie, a few bricks through the windscreens of the touring muzzies may help.
Given their ‘values’ are so unaligned with the electorate, this is a very dodgy investment.
Let’s not condone it with that name.
It’s assisted suicide death care.
They’ll take care of it for you.
It might make some think more about what such care means.
I’ll look out for it . . . Although I usually try to avoid the “news” bulletins in the early evening (unless Mrs Wolf has them on) as they invariably make me angry.
Indeed.
And yet, there he is, playing his cards the only way that a lifetime of student and factional politics has taught him.
So, no particular plan about this [‘ow you say?] ‘cost of living’ thingo – other than to get the Treasury Ideas Machine cracking for some possible budget sprinkle.
But plenty of ideas about the Palestinian Cricket GOAT, Four Year terms, the Great 2003 Cabinet Document Conspiracy, and free TAFE places.
Plus, or course, the ‘visionary stuff’: refining and processing critical minerals, battery manufacturing, renewable hydrogen and ammonia and green metals – and ‘a future made in Australia’.
Handsome Boy: a Top Man for our times.
Boambee John
Jan 4, 2024 9:22 AM
There will be no squirming – that Wong chap will just put it into the forgettery.
JC
Because it was renamed. Guillain Barre, MS, and other acute flaccid paralysis, etc.
Rates of paralysis have *increased* since the polio vaccine according to US census data on disabilities. Take it up with the US census bureau if you don’t believe me. Also, the Christopher Reeve Foundation did a massive survey a few years ago. They found that one in 50 Americans have some kind of paralysis and around 40 per cent of those have non-trauma/stroke types (ie polio like). So that’s around 2 million Americans today with a condition that would most likely have been diagnosed as polio in 1950. That’s vastly vastly more than those who were diagnosed with paralytic polio prior to the vaccine.
You want any more data analysis champ?
Lizzie
No. You didn’t. You’ve confused a general hysteria about the issue with your own observations. According to the Smithsonian, there were the grand total of 1,500 iron lungs in all of the US at the supposed height of the polio epidemic. That number is unlikely to be wrong given how expensive and large they were. And yet, if you ask people of that era every single one “remembers” wards full of iron lungs everywhere they turned.
By the way, the modern equivalent of an iron lung (a positive pressure ventilator) is ten times as common today per capita as the iron lung was at the supposed height of the polio epidemic.
No. They increased. You just didn’t notice because it wasn’t in the news and your teachers and parents told you it had passed. Had you looked at the data for MS, GBS, etc you would have seen total paralysis rates climb.
Rosie
Jan 4, 2024 8:57 AM
And we could have had middle eastern food without mudlims, Lebanon Christians and middle eastern Jews were there first.
Hummus is in bible.
Hummus is in the Bible .. is it, whereabouts
I love hummus! And all it’s toppings, but not variations, lemon, tahini and chickpeas .. no beetroot or whatever else people wish to do, just the original ingredients please.
Years ago, in Sydney we used to go to a Lebanese takeout for most excellent shawarma sanwiches, and it was run by 2 brothers who said, at the time, they were Maronite Christians. This was around the time of the Lebanese civil war, the late 1970s. Now when I go to the shop (only on occassional Sydney visits), it’s their grandchildren running it and they are all muslims, the headscarf on the women .. not sure what happened in the interim.
Did the Maronite Christians who came here from Lebanon convert?
Was it so they could still get wives from “back home”?
I made a number of high quality decisions in my teens.
You’re only kidding yourself.
MS is not polio.
I know an older woman who had polio. She was very active until recently. MS is degenerative and the prognosis was usually death 20 years before your time.
This Hammas terrorist supporter spreads this libel about Jewish people.
It is however exactly what Hammas have been doing in Gaza since 2005, killing all opposition, and inflicting suicide-bombing role play against Jews on Muslim kindergarten children. Hammas have done nothing but inflict bloodshed and terrorism on a propadandized population resulting in many thousands of deaths.
Talk about the psychological process of projection at work with these Imans.
???
Walk down a shopping mall and look for people in wheelchairs or other mobility assistance. Obviously some might be for people who are very old but not all.
There you have your “polio” cases. No doctor in this country would have tested them for it. Of course, in the 1940s, most weren’t tested for it either. The difference being that in the 1940s it was *assumed* it was polio, today it is *assumed* it is not.
Vaccinations – as much of a miracle as the wheel. Wait. No. As circular as the wheel. As miraculous as magic beans.
One hundred and twenty Australian medical researchers, doctors, midwifery professors and senior clinicians signed a letter addressed to peak funding body the National Health & Medical Research Council on 1 January.
The letter warned that any requirement to adopt “gender neutral” language would blur the lines between biological sex and gender identity, putting female patients at risk…
“Using ‘women’ with a gendered meaning, that is grouping males and females together, when considering healthcare provision or undertaking research, has risks,” the letter stated.
“Even when males and females experience the same disease, they may experience it very differently, irrespective of gender identity.”
They also protested that medical professionals nationwide are facing institutional pressure to introduce gender-neutral language in research, practice and policy.
– Politicom
According to both Forrest Gump and Liability Bob, polio allows one to have a full and satisfying military career later in life.
Oh dear. Dotty has been sucked down the rabbit hole.
Pogria 9.39. A Mussie “Poet”, is claiming that the Cricket episode of Bluey is promoting Arab Genocide.
You think he will write a poem about those horrific children’s cartoons in the Middle East that promote the slaughter of Jews? Cos I am sure videos, dvds, etc of those cartoons are in Australia and are played to children. I would be interested to see that poem.
Are you serious? You can make that observation by just seeing someone in a wheelchair?
Dot
That’s possibly the worst counter-argument in history. In order to prove that the polio vaccine was a miracle, you’re claiming that polio was completely harmless.
Did you not think that through Dot? I know you’re exceptional at every other issue and yet, here you are, just throwing out complete drivel.
By the way, people supposedly died from polio, and plenty of people diagnosed with MS live long lives.
Top notch data collection.
Mallee Miss,
the mussie “Poet”, is just another sleaze trying for his fifteen minutes.
The “poem”, he wrote about Bluey, is in the Mail article.
If he were to write a poem about the 7 Oct atrocity, you know it would be about babies and women had it coming.
What are you asking me for? Did you not read Lizzie’s post saying she regularly “saw” people who were crippled which she knew must have been polio?
I can guarantee you that Lizzie didn’t give them a PCR test.
Think JC. If observations of crippled people is the basis for saying lots of people had polio in 1940, then observations of crippled people must also be a legitimate basis for saying lots of people have polio today. I didn’t make the rules.
Dot
Then why didn’t you criticise Lizzie for bringing it up?
A fascinating study of the transmission of a virus in isolated conditions in Antarctica
The Antarctic Expedition That Showed Lockdowns Would Never Work
And Never Will
NE – NAKEDEMPEROR.SUBSTACK.COM
JAN 3
In 1969, 14 men ventured to the British Antarctic Survey Base on Adelaide Island. It is situated on the south-west coast of the Antarctic Peninsula, around 1000 miles south of the Falkland Islands. The base is isolated from late March to mid-December every year which coincides with the departure and arrival of two survey aircraft.
Adelaide Island was first sighted from the brig Tula in February 1832 when completing a circumnavigation of the Antarctic continent. The ship’s master, John Biscoe, named the land after Queen Adelaide, the wife of British monarch King William IV. It was not until the British Graham Land Expedition of 1934–37 that Adelaide was confirmed to be an island separate from the Antarctic Peninsula.
The 14 men arrived by sea and air at various times between December 1968 and March 1969, relieving a previous group of men. The Base members were all between the ages of 21 and 35 and in good health.
The last aircraft left on 18 March and flew north for the winter, after which the Base was completely isolated from the outside world, except for radio. In effect, these 14 men were in lockdown with their only company being each other and five husky dogs.
They lived in dry wooden huts in the form of a small complex of buildings, heated by solid fuel burners. However, the sleeping hut was made of fibreglass and was heated with a small electric convector heater, supplemented by paraffin stoves in the colder months. This meant the sleeping hut could get damp on occasions.
Food mainly came from packets or tins and there were no fresh fruits or vegetables. They did supplement their diets with regular vitamin tablets. Bread was baked daily and occasionally meat was thawed for a special treat.
In the winter months there was very little daylight or none at all. Other than the husky dogs an occasional penguin or seal might wander by.
The medical history of each Base member was noted throughout the period of isolation and when symptoms and signs appeared they were recorded on daily observation charts. Serum and nasal samples were taken monthly from the men.
This was the closest you will ever get to a controlled clinical trial to establish whether lockdowns work to prevent the transmission of viruses. These men were alone, for months on end, in the middle of nowhere.
Before this expedition it was commonly believed that on small Antarctic bases such as this, isolated for many months, upper respiratory infections died out in the first few weeks of isolation. Previously, the arrival of relief ships or aircraft resulted in outbreaks of respiratory diseases.
However, this time something strange happened.
As I say, 14 young and healthy men arrived at the Base with no illnesses. The last aircraft left on 18 March leaving them in total isolation. For the next 17 weeks, all the men remained in good health with no colds observed or detected clinically. Two men left the Base with their dog teams at the end of June for 6 months, during which time they suffered no respiratory symptoms.
Then, on 14 July 1969, one of the 12 remaining men presented with respiratory symptoms closely resembling those of a mild to moderately severe cold. Over the next 2 weeks, eight out of the 12 men suffered similar respiratory symptoms and a further two had attacks of sneezing.
Remember, these men had not seen another soul for 17 weeks and had been healthy the whole time but then suddenly, out of nowhere, a virus had made them ill.
Of the four men who showed minimal or no symptoms, two worked in a separate hut during the daytime and shared the same sleeping cubicle. Another tended to work at night and slept during the day, thus reducing contact with other Base members.
Whilst looking at all the environmental factors, researchers noticed that the outbreak occurred just over 3 weeks after midwinter and was preceded by 2 weeks of bad weather conditions. During this time most people stayed in the safety of the central hut and social contact was thus greatest in the 2 weeks before the outbreak of respiratory disease.
There was also minimal daylight for the first half of the month and there was no sunshine until 24 July, 10 days after the appearance of the first symptoms.
Researchers trying to work out what had happened at the Base found that nasal washings from two men, affected in the outbreak, produced cytopathic effects in WI38 cells and these effects were reproduced in the next passage of WI38 cells. The changes in the cells looked similar to those caused by coronaviruses but they couldn’t definitively say that they were caused by a coronavirus.
No virus was detected when samples were examined with an electron microscope. Nor did the samples yield any pathogenic bacteria.
Ten volunteers were given pooled nasal secretions from the outbreak and only one doubtful cold was produced. Nasal secretions were taken from these volunteers and given to a further seven participants, none of which produced any symptoms.
The researchers concluded that the occurrence of a common cold during isolation, when the chances of introduction of a new infection from the outside was virtually nil, implied that in some way the virus persisted, either in the environment or in the men.
One way for the virus to persist was in the respiratory tract of one or more of the men. If such were the case it would be necessary to postulate a triggering mechanism to precipitate the symptoms. The researchers found it interesting that the symptoms occurred 4 days after a precipitous fall in outside temperatures and during one of the coldest months of the year.
Non-respiratory viruses such as those of the herpes group often persist for the lifetime of a human so why would it not be the case for other groups of viruses? Observations in animals have shown that pigs can carry swine influenza and transmit infections to other pigs 3 months later.
What this cold outbreak shows is that however hard or early you lockdown, you will never be able to prevent transmission of a virus. Viral swarms exist within each of us and eventually these will mutate to evade the host’s immune system or better adapt to the host environment. Mutations may occur in one individual or when the swarms mix when humans interact with others.
Even in the complete isolation of an Antarctic Base, a virus managed to escape detection for over 17 weeks before producing symptoms in an individual and then spreading to others.
Lockdowns don’t, and will never work.
Information taken from the Original 1973 Study
apologies, Hamas is only spelled with one m. I knew that, but I often forget it.
Different to Hummus. 🙂
Now Dot, given you are into heavy duty data collection, can you please tell me what the *total* rates of paralysis were pre vs post the polio vaccine?
That question will settle this debate won’t it?
If they have fallen precipitously then we have powerful evidence that the polio vaccine worked. If they have not fallen (let alone if they have risen) then that completely demolishes the idea that the polio vaccine provided any actual benefit other than being renamed.
The thing is Dot, you and JC won’t accept this because you’re too smart. What I am saying is not only correct but incredibly obvious but you never once considered it. That makes you feel foolish. So you turn into Monty with one logical contortion after another in an attempt to maintain your delusions.
Allegra Da Big Spender is Cassie’s local MHR, it was to her that I suggested Cassie write.
Benny does not enter the equation.
Paralysis is one of the least common symptoms of polio so that’s the wrong tree to bark up in the first place.
Polio is caused by a virus has no relationship to stroke except they both can impact the neurological system.
Many millions of people sleep with a positive pressure ventilator every night. It’s called a CPAP and is prescribed for sleep apnea sufferers.
Reference: Poliomyelitis, a CDC publication which gives a complete history of the disease, its eradication, and the vaccines for it.
Tory party members favour Kemi Badenoch to be next leader as Rishi Sunak flounders.
Badenoch, whose parents migrated from Nigeria, lists conservative philosopher Roger Scruton & economist and social commentator Thomas Sowell as key influences.
That is a very interesting case study re viral replication, Vicki, because it has so many natural controls in place.
Just goes to show that we are each of us little bundles of parasitic viral storage. As a species we only just keep pace against the pathogenic environment about to kill us.
Matt Ridley’s Red Queen.
Thanks Vicki your story is very powerful but the interpretation the authors give is far too weak.
Yes it obviously proves that lockdowns don’t work but it’s much deeper than that.
There is no such thing as contagious disease.
Diseases are not spread – although they can be shared. If the people in Antarctica suffer an emotional trauma then, in the healing phase, they will feel “sick”. Obviously poisoning can cause illness too but, in the absence of a known poison, then the explanation is emotional trauma.
There will be no squirming
There will be no action either.
Allegra is that kind of politician.
Teal fluff. Not a doer or a lifter. Not even a teacher. Just emptyheaded wokeness.
We can only hope. The Torys would be in with a chance if they let Kemi change ridiculous Net Zero policies and start to stackle the policy-driven energy crisis causing runaway inflation. She could also get far more serious on the immigration issue.
I have a very soft spot for my birth nation and I hate to see it almost on its knees.
Wordle in two again. Woohoo!
Toad
A subsequent letter to the Daily Tele, stating that Spender had ignored a claim by a female constituent of being threatened, while touting a similar claim by a woman in another electorate, might then cause some embarrassment?
Que? Before the vaccine, half of the people dx with polio had paralysis (at least according to US data). I don’t care if you believe that, but Lizzie, Dot and JC – and everybody else who worships vaccinations – certainly believe it.
I thought Dot’s arguments were woeful, but this one. FMD. I’m genuinely shocked by the stupidity of this coming from anybody not called Monty. You literally can’t get a polio diagnosis today without paralysis. To be fair, it’s pretty much impossible to get one at all today, but at the very least, you absolutely must have paralysis.
It’s not caused by a virus because there is no such thing as pathogenic viruses. Don’t know what you mean by an association with stroke – I suspect a woeful misunderstanding of an earlier point I made.
I excluded CPAPs as they are non-invasive and only included invasive ventilators in my data (ie those that do the actual breathing for the patient and are, hence, equivalent to an iron lung).
But yes. You, ummm, did a real good job.
Let’s hope.
claudinian cracks and the moment of doom
Moderna’s influence over the US and UK governments is more than most realise
Nearly HALF of Wisconsin police force resigns in one day after village board tried to ELIMINATE the entire department before ‘devastated’ chief died by suicide
Bullshit. Show your reference. While you are at it, how about showing references for any of your claims.
Meanwhile, read this: Poliomyelitis
Speaking of letters…
Women’s Rights Groups Protest UN Appointment Of Transgender Activist As “Women’s Champion” (4 Jan)
I can see why they might be upset. But that probably won’t stop them from being TERFed and cancelled by the woke. The UN are so much fun lately I’m almost changing my mind about wanting the building bulldozed into the East River.
There is such a thing as contagion and it is countered by human biological resistance, with the intervening variable often being human death by viral overload, especially in the case of new or evolving viruses when introduced to non-immune populations.
Figure’s specious and scientistic generalisations should have no traction here. They are not based on any comprehension of the vast and technical fields of parasitic ecologies (bacteriology, virology and organic parasitology) and evolutionary human immunology.
He’s a faith healer, pure and simple. Guess we should just scroll and let him be.
Shame if by some perverse twist of fate it wound up that women and coloured people (especially coloured women) get caught more often, then they would have to rethink the nature of the crime in terms of equity.
Won’t somebody think of the canapés.
You may as well say the conservative’s arsenal against the establishment press consists of facts and logic.
Glad you said “almost”.
Facts & logic be racist!
…and sexist!
You’ve hurt my feelings.
I wouldn’t put it past the power brokers of the Tories to put her in charge if they believe they’re going to lose the election.
She will take the blame for the loss and be permanently discredited and sidelined.
Problem solved.
Are we sure about that?
She doesn’t strike me as the type to be easily sidelined.
Do they mean weapons like Harvard’s Plagiarism Policy?
Because she violated that policy over 50 times as a student, a professor, and as the president of the university.
And you can bet your arse she has no problem slamming straight white male students who run afoul of that policy.
If colleges engage in quite some introspection, they may chance upon the reason this ‘weapon’ is available to conservatives.
A bit like an esteemed former commenter here who could deduce that vax deaths were rampant because he thought there was an increase in emergency vehicle sirens.
Probably just ambos heading to the latest scene of havoc caused by incompetent Queensssland truckies.
Zulu Kilo Two Alpha
Jan 4, 2024 9:37 AM
Rigby’s regiment was probably paraded, and told “You will NOT take revenge – let the courts do their job!”
I reckon you are correct. Sadly…….
I wonder if his regiment went to Afghan and how many of them died there?
You brought it up, you do it – and yes it would.
You can win everyone over, but you’re too lazy to try. Instead, you want to insult people’s intelligence and bring up other more bizarre ideas.
Yes.
No.
Sure.
Zatara, your excellent link shows the natural course of an endemic viral infection within a population with some immunity. Most people have the virus of interest but don’t display severe infective symptoms, but a minority (and we can’t really tell who they will be) will suffer badly (this happens with most human contagious infections; it’s part of our biolgical ecology). Endemic low-case load infection causes an underlying disease prevalence of varying morbidity and mortality in susceptible individuals, and due to an increase in viral activity or other eliciting factors, this can sometimes become epidemic. Faith healing won’t get your children through one of these.
Huge human catastrophes can result from epidemics, all of which have their own natural ‘epidemic curve’ as resistance mounts. Such epidemics and endemic loads can be eliminated by innoculation. Innoculation itself can also cause some illness and death but it is limited and nothing in comparison to the death load of either endemic or epidemic disease; though it can be a personal tragedy to have a vaxx death. External public health factors can be used to reduce endemic infections of certain feared diseases; polio for instance thrives in insanitary sewage systems. Sometimes, as with Smallpox, a virus can be eliminated entirely.
Salvatore, Iron Publican
Jan 4, 2024 11:19 AM
The Associated Press
@ap
Harvard president’s resignation highlights new conservative weapon against colleges: plagiarism
If colleges engage in quite some introspection, they may chance upon the reason this ‘weapon’ is available to conservatives.
Over the entry to the Great Court at UQ at St Lucia is inscribed, “Great is Truth and mighty above all things.” I guess those entering in now either come in the backway (pun intended) or have their heads buried in their phones.
I bin learn to speak French lately.
‘Canapés’ appears to mean lounges, as in sofas, not hors d’oeuvres. My French vocab was not as good as I thought.
Figures is not good with figures, 2+2=whatever I want it too.
It seems silly but anecdotally I’d agree with that, but it coincides with an ageing population, more home building (hence injured toddlers) and more congestion on roads and also a fatter, less healthier population.