Mater’s Musings #29: Compare the Pair

20 August 2020


“Is there a complexity to verifying the actual cause of death?”

Professor Brett Sutton (Victorian Chief Health Officer):

Not necessarily. So, for deaths from coronavirus, anyone who’s a confirmed case who dies is classified amongst coronavirus deaths. So it doesn’t have to be definitively from coronavirus, and in some instances, you know, in aged care, there would’ve been some residents who were already receiving palliative care who became infected with coronavirus so it’s not definitive about whether they’ve died with or from coronavirus. I think it’s fair to say that coronavirus is a very serious infection in anyone in aged care, but for classification purposes, and reporting purposes, that’s the definition.

7 September 2021

Richard Glover (ABC): 

“Is the data, for what it’s worth – I know it’s stripped of a lot of the normal warnings that you put on this data and the explanations of the data. But is the data correct as far as it goes?”

Professor John Skerritt (Deputy Secretary of the Therapeutic Goods Administration): 

“Well, without the explanation, it’s quite misleading. So what it says is that 495 people have had reports given to us that there was a death, sometime, days or perhaps a week or so after they had a COVID vaccine. Now, as you know, thankfully more and more people every day are being vaccinated. And sadly, in Australia, 170,000 people die every year, 3250 Australians die every single week. And so, it’s not surprising that two days after, say, a Pfizer vaccine, some people will die, the same way two days after going and seeing a doctor about something totally unrelated, they will die or two days after catching a bus. So really, it’s not the cause and effect thing. And when we’ve looked at cause and effect, we believe that there’s a total of nine reports of deaths that can be associated to vaccines, and this is against a background of 20 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines being given in Australia. Nine out of 20 million doses.” 

Queensland Health has released guidance on attributing Death to the Covid Vaccines, complete with numerous examples:

Attributing deaths to COVID-19 vaccines – a guide for medical practitioners

“While death following COVID-19 vaccination is not an expected outcome of health care, in practice not all post-vaccination deaths will be vaccine-related but rather as a result of the person’s underlying health conditions. This document seeks to provide guidance for medical practitioners when certifying cause of death when a person has recently had a COVID-19 vaccine.”

It makes you wonder how those 800 odd elderly Victorian ‘Covid’ deaths, around August last year, might have looked had such clear and generous guidance been published.

Would the general public still be stupefied with fear?

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Mother Lode
Mother Lode
September 21, 2021 7:09 am

I get that Richard Glover likely knew how ridiculous the question sounded but that he had to ask it to elicit the answer, but didn’t Skerrit feel at least embarrassed answering?

Please tell me he is a professor specialising in the mating habits of tardigrades or the sound of dark matter – some thing so obscure that it would be the natural abode of savants and his confused babblings are a symptom of his being dragged out from a dark dusty basement into dazzling sunlight and cacophonous noise like a bat.

Mark M
Mark M
September 21, 2021 8:19 am

This was a crazy conspiracy theory only a few months ago.

“It won’t be a ‘vaccine passport’ you will be showing in the first half of next year, it will be your “booster passport” to show you have been for your third jab” – Victoria Premier Dan Andrews of Australia said.

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An endless record of booster jabs to support your compromised immunity system for a parade of endless scary variants.

Add a story of permanent face masks as seen today.

That’s the “freedoms” you had the one jab for.

Timothy Neilson
Timothy Neilson
September 21, 2021 8:50 am

Say it ain’t so, Joe!
To be fair to Sutton, he actually gave what appears to be an honest answer.

September 21, 2021 11:11 am

Still the Question I would like answered by all Australian CHO’s

What was the Vitamin D level of all people admitted to Hospital in Australia (break it into individual States) with Covid?

Judge Dredd
Judge Dredd
September 21, 2021 11:23 am

If the vaccine is so safe and effective and the disease so deadly, why does it have to be mandated?
It’s plainly obvious to anyone that this whole thing stinks of sulfur.
Welcome to the Freemasonic future.

Shy Ted
Shy Ted
September 21, 2021 11:30 am

The Q Health document is a very long-winded way of saying if you’re old and sick the vax didn’t kill you but if you’re younger it may have had a role. Hence, reduce the numbers of vax-related deaths and give the GPs, who likely administered the jab a get-out clause even though they’ve been strong-armed (and bribed) into giving it. Much less paperwork for everyone involved.
This lovely little line –

It is reasonable to issue a cause of death certificate based on his pre-existing comorbidities.

. Now we already have documented cases of CHO’s lying about pre-existing conditions in all ages and vax status only for relatives to later reveal the truth, which the media will dutifully ignore.
1. There needs to be an amendment to death certificates – vaxxed or unvaxxed tick box.
2. There is no imperative to jab the frail elderly or terminally ill but as they are pursuing this course the above tick box will do nicely.
3. If pre-existing conditions, a tick box for “is death earlier than expected?”
4. If they’re still pursuing the debunked test +ve for Convid then another tick box for a positive result no matter when (long Convid and all that).
5. As the vast majority of any deaths are elderly people then the number of post-vax deaths are completely covered up.
Doesn’t nearly cover all the possibilities but the point is to minimise vax-related deaths and maximise Convid-related deaths. Standard operating procedure for health departments.

Shy Ted
Shy Ted
September 21, 2021 11:32 am

The vax in the frail elderly is just voluntary assisted dying.

Miss Anthropist
Miss Anthropist
September 21, 2021 12:02 pm

Not a high trust society any more.
If anyone in anyway associated with any level of government in Australia told me the sky was up I’d want to have a look for myself.
Those mendacious mealymouthed maggots can kiss my arse.

Old bloke
Old bloke
September 21, 2021 12:21 pm

I have heard, don’t know if it’s correct, that the death of a vaxxed person within 14 days of the jab isn’t counted as a vaccine death.

All the stats regarding deaths due to Covid-19 and the vaccines are totally meaningless.

September 22, 2021 1:18 pm

I have heard, don’t know if it’s correct, that the death of a vaxxed person within 14 days of the jab isn’t counted as a vaccine death.

Highly illogical, but vaccine deaths are held too a vastly higher standard of proof than Covid deaths (people who have contracted Covid then later died in vehicle accidents or been shot dead have been counted as Covid deaths on occasions).
If you’re going to die of the jab, I would have thought the first 24-48 hour period is the most likely and dangerous period.

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