A non-answer to the MOST important question

Channel Nine – Today Show – 4 Dec 2020

So in other words, they really don’t know what it might do more than 6-8 weeks post the jab being forced on you.

But don’t worry. If something truly untoward happens to you, there’s a team of specialists who’ll investigate and do their damnedest to blur the cause with all manner of other explanations and contentions.

Mix this level of uncertainty with mandates, and we have truly entered the twilight zone. Medical ethics may never recover from this virus.

46 thoughts on “A non-answer to the MOST important question”

  1. Boiler plate/generic statements to fill in time and then a “we have NFI” addendum to close.

    I’ve been told, ad nausea, that we have to listen to the experts.

    I’ll stick with my gut for the time being thanks.


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  2. Medical ethics may never recover from this virus.

    I’m reading an 8 year old book by a psychiatrist who specialises in treating PTSD (and was one of the first to do so from 1980, when the diagnosis was recognised).

    I’m less than a hundred pages in and he’s already mentioned several times the care free approach to ethics he’s observed in the medical profession over decades. Not just questionable acts by individuals, but a culture that reagrded borderline ethical behaviour as acceptable if results were achieved.

    Quite an eye opener and many application to what we’ve seen thus far in the “pandemic” and not just in relation to the vaccines but the whole regime of lockdowns, mask mandates and so on which will have long lasting effects on mental health.


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  3. How long can the government/media/medical establishment maintain the mass psychosis of the population? Another 6 months?
    When it cracks what will the blowback be ?
    If enough 20 to 40 year old males find out they have been “impaled” for life to avoid a disease they were likely to be asymptomatic to, retribution could be severe.
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  4. Roger said,

    I am reading an 8 year old book…

    What is the title of the book and the author please Roger as I would very much like to get a copy to read.

    Thanks.


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  5. They do not know what ‘it’ will do long-term and nor do they care.

    It is all about 1) power and 2) money.

    Just look at how easily the FDA broke its own rules in giving full approval to the Pfizer clot shot.

    Or, possibly even worse, the recent approval to shoot up kids as young as 5.

    Why would anyone still be surprised after this kind of performance?

    THEY DO NOT CARE IF WE LIVE OR NOT.

    History may not repeat, but it certainly does rhyme.


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  6. What is the title of the book and the author please Roger as I would very much like to get a copy to read.

    Robert,

    The book is ‘The Body Keeps the Score; mind, brain and body in the transformation of trauma’ by Bessel Van Der Kolk (Penguin).

    The comments re ethics are in passing while he explores his main subjects.

    Very helpful if you or anyone close to you has been diagnosed with PTSD or similar.


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  7. There is no reason at all to think that viral vector or mRNA vaccines would have the same safety profile as traditional vaccines. And as the data suggests, people develop myocarditis, pericarditis, and the like outside of the immediate or 6-8 week range. We also have the fact that people don’t typically get a jab, another in 3 or 6 weeks, nor another 6 months later, and again, so we have no idea what the cumulative effects of this on our immune system, organs, etc.

    It’s a shit show.


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  8. THEY DO NOT CARE IF WE LIVE OR NOT.

    If they do not care either way why do they push so hard for 100% vaccination?

    They do care. They care very much. But not for us.


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    f enough 20 to 40 year old males find out they have been “impaled” for life to avoid a disease they were likely to be asymptomatic to, retribution could be severe.

    They won’t be in any condition to do retribution.
    Here’s the Life Plan of the average 20-40 year old Australian male:
    Buy everything on credit, build up a big chunk of Super, retire at the Pension Age, pay off the bills with the Super, go on the Age Pension.
    That’s it, and if they have to be VaxBoostered every 3 months, that’s what they’ll do.


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  10. If they do not care either way why do they push so hard for 100% vaccination?

    Possibly because they are neo-Malthusians, convinced that the global population needs to be severely reduced in order to ‘save the planet’.

    So they need to only leave just so many peasants alive for them to ‘own nothing and be happy’, while carrying out those tasks that are not yet able to be done by technological means.

    Making tens of billions of dollars in drug profits while the depopulation process runs its course is just a nice side bonus.

    By this stage in the global sh*tshow I cannot see what other logical reasons there could possibly be for what has been happening.


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  11. I suspect if people realise that their lives have been drastically shortened, inflation is out of control and that they see no good way out, they may make use of what time remains to seek justice against those who wronged them.
    Think of a cancer patient given a 6 months to live, how could you really punish them if they decided to ‘shoot for the high score’?


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  12. Thanks for bringing some great pieces of this sh1t show to us, Mater. Turns the stomach, but at least we know who the enemy is and how duplicitous they are.

    And Ed, your comparison of what life is like for a 20-40 year old Australian male. Not edifying, just like you. What about discussing how a western, liberal democracy can mandate to otherwise healthy people untested, mandatory vaccinations without which there won’t be a job?


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  13. What about discussing how a western, liberal democracy global fascist oligarchy can mandate to otherwise healthy people untested, mandatory vaccinations without which there won’t be a job?

    That’s how.


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  14. can you provide an answer to my question as to how you punish someone if they do choose such a path?…

    Sure.
    But first, give me one, just one example, of a terminal cancer patient who ever decided

    to shoot for the high score?



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  15. Just spoke to a 39 year old young many who told me of three of his friends including his brother-in-law who have all had severe adverse reactions to the Pfizer, one had to have three stents put in the heart a week after the first Pfizer shot, another with myocarditis and his BIL has bells palsy — all in the their late 30s early 40s


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  16. Just spoke to a 39 year old young many who told me of three of his friends including his brother-in-law who have all had severe adverse reactions to the Pfizer, one had to have three stents put in the heart a week after the first Pfizer shot, another with myocarditis and his BIL has bells palsy — all in the their late 30s early 40s

    so its been shown in vitro the spike protein once inside a cell can enter the nucleus and damage dna…

    if the same happens in-vivo and that seems logical, the long term consequence are going to be very real.

    one has to wonder would the chinese release this without doing any testing? unlikely, chance are they tested extensively.


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  17. Perhaps the most famous “high score” cancer sufferer of all time, Jack Ruby.

    Not true.
    Jack Ruby was diagnosed with lung cancer on Death Row and died within 6 months.
    He also claimed to have been injected with cancer by prison doctors.
    Try again.
    Just one example.


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  18. John Bayley

    So they need to only leave just so many peasants alive for them to ‘own nothing and be happy’, while carrying out those tasks that are not yet able to be done by technological means.

    Making tens of billions of dollars in drug profits while the depopulation process runs its course is just a nice side bonus.

    I suspect that there are two streams to this process.

    The first stream is the WEF “You will own nothing, and you will be happy” crew. They have a vision for a less populated world which they run as “benevolent dictators”. They are your first para above.

    Because they are a mix of economists, managers, and socially lost aristocrats, they do not comprehend how much they depend upon engineers, plumbers, electricians and farmers for their current comfortable existence. Fortunately, they tend to the theoretical, and lack a Heydrich or a Stalin in their group, so they do little practical more than meet for regular wankfests.

    The second group is the scientists and manufacturers of Big Pharma. They see multiple trillions in gross profits in the years ahead. They need markets, however, to get those profits. They noted that the Chyneese have successfully bought their way to economic dominance by bribing politicians, this being much cheaper than fighting wars of conquest. They are your second para above. They are more dangerous.

    The oligarchs of Big Pharma have followed that process. If you are expecting to make trillions. a couple of million each to even a few hundred politicians is a worthwhile investment, which in any case can probably be written off as advertising and public relations expenses. They don’t mind if some ill effects result from their products, as they can then provide (at further profit) “cures” for the ailments they caused.

    The latter group are the immediate danger.


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  19. Because they are a mix of economists, managers, and socially lost aristocrats, they do not comprehend how much they depend upon engineers, plumbers, electricians and farmers for their current comfortable existence.

    I have had other jobs and I have other qualifications. Please stop putting shit on economists.

    We know how the world works. Most of my former job was doing research reports for mining and construction companies. To my shame, Julia Gillard quoted me in the PM debates in 2010.

    When I worked for myself I dealt with infrastructure and geotech engineering. I am from the country and I have worked on farms (paid and unpaid) and I have worked as a grain accumulator. I have helped people do their own renovations. My family used to be very, very poor.

    Trust me, the WEF idiots are just shills.

    Here is a certified hood classic:

    https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2015/09/28/04/54/vc070202

    An Open Letter to Joseph Stiglitz, by Kenneth Rogoff, Economic Counsellor and Director of the Research Department, IMF
    July 2, 2002

    An Open Letter1
    By Kenneth Rogoff,
    Economic Counsellor and Director of Research,
    International Monetary Fund

    To Joseph Stiglitz,
    Author of Globalization and Its Discontents
    (New York: W.W. Norton & Company, June 2002)

    Washington D.C., July 2, 2002

    “””Let’s look at Stiglitzian prescriptions for helping a distressed emerging market debtor, the ideas you put forth as superior to existing practice. Governments typically come to the IMF for financial assistance when they are having trouble finding buyers for their debt and when the value of their money is falling. The Stiglitzian prescription is to raise the profile of fiscal deficits, that is, to issue more debt and to print more money. You seem to believe that if a distressed government issues more currency, its citizens will suddenly think it more valuable. You seem to believe that when investors are no longer willing to hold a government’s debt, all that needs to be done is to increase the supply and it will sell like hot cakes. We at the IMF—no, make that we on the Planet Earth—have considerable experience suggesting otherwise. We earthlings have found that when a country in fiscal distress tries to escape by printing more money, inflation rises, often uncontrollably. Uncontrolled inflation strangles growth, hurting the entire populace but, especially the indigent. The laws of economics may be different in your part of the gamma quadrant, but around here we find that when an almost bankrupt government fails to credibly constrain the time profile of its fiscal deficits, things generally get worse instead of better.“””

    Maybe I’m wrong. I used to go to the RBA dinners in Sydney (and was frequently late). My colleague and I were turned away from Ross Gittens giving a talk at the Westin once (funny stuff).

    Perhaps, I am also atypical. I never worked in the Commonwealth Treasury. [But, John Humphreys and fmr Senator Duncan Spender did].


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  20. Medical ethics may never recover from this virus.

    Correct, this whole shit show really has ruined my trust in every thing and is yet another reason why I would not return to medicine now, not even if they begged me and everyone else was dying – my colleagues revealed themselves to be unthinking drones incapable of even the most basic of due diligence. All they do is take the $ to read the script and have failed themselves, their patients and their profession.

    If there is any hope, it may be that the whole steaming mess that is to come will pull back the curtain for a whole generation of young people and show them that ‘the experts’ have been wilfully lying to them about everything – COVID, climate change, the ‘healthy food’ pyramid, the cholesterol hypothesis, the nature of money, the state of the economy, the toxicity of white men etc etc etc


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  21. But first, give me one, just one example, of a terminal cancer patient who ever decided to shoot for the high score?

    John Wayne in ‘The Shootist’ ?


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  22. Dot

    I have had other jobs and I have other qualifications. Please stop putting shit on economists.

    Don’t be so hyper-sensitive. From reading your comments over the years, I am quite aware of your broad experience. If you cannot recognise my description for what it is, just scroll past.


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  23. “What about discussing how a western, liberal democracy can mandate to otherwise healthy people untested, mandatory vaccinations without which there won’t be a job?”

    https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights

    I believe Australia signed up to this declaration.

    Are the below being violated by mask mandates, lockdowns, vaccine mandates, tracking apps and dispersal of protests against same?

    “Article 3

    Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.”

    “Article 12

    No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.”

    “Article 13

    Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
    Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

    “Article 20

    Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association.
    No one may be compelled to belong to an association.



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  24. Boambee John says:
    November 13, 2021 at 8:00 am

    John, your description of the two groups of perpetrators is spot-on, but even more interesting is who their victims are, and this reveals another level, another dimension, of evil being perpetrated here.

    The victims are to be found mainly in Western Europe, Scandinavia, the British Isles, Israel , and the Anglosphere. These are the main group of people who are subjected to lockdowns, social restrictions, mandatory vaxxinations, passports, and other assorted draconian insanities. These people have two things in common, they are wealthy developed nations and they share a common though distant ancestry.

    Mandatory vaxxinations etc. are not common in other nations generally (Lithuania is an exception), they offer choices to their citizens, and effective anti-viral treatments are available if required. Obviously, the wealthy nations would be targetted by Big Pharma as that’s where the dollars are, but something else rather sinister is in play here, and that’s common ancestry.

    The Hebrews were divided into two groups around 3,000 years ago; they are the House of Judah, the Jewish people in Israel and still in their Diaspora, and the much larger number in the House of Israel (also referred to as the House of Joseph) who largely ended up in Western Europe, and whose descendants now also populate the “ends of the earth” in the Anglosphere.

    These are the people being targetted , restricted, jabbed and humiliated, the Jew’s and the Joe’s. There is something very Luciferian about this which goes beyond the greed of Big Pharma and the lust for control and status amongst those who call themselves the elite. We can use the word “Diabolical” quite literally as a descriptor for our present situation.


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  25. Roger,

    Thank you for the book title and author, have ordered it. All being well, and allowing for time delays at present should get it within a week or two. (fingers crossed).


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  26. Don’t be so hyper-sensitive. From reading your comments over the years, I am quite aware of your broad experience. If you cannot recognise my description for what it is, just scroll past.

    Nope. It’s not a good blog unless some imbecile gets triggered and has a melt down.


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  27. Which is just one reason why I am sceptical that the solution to our current problems is yet another list of Rights for Dan Andrews et al , to ignore.

    A Bill of Rights is pointless.

    The leader(s) need to have the right but not the obligation to give people what they claim they want.

    That ends virtue signalling and mobs.


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  28. A Bill of Rights is pointless.

    Not true.

    The US Court system has ordered an injunction against Biden’s mandates, whilst here…the courts are actually are rolling over.

    They have a bill of rights.

    We don’t.


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  29. DDinAus says:
    November 12, 2021 at 8:51 pm
    THEY DO NOT CARE IF WE LIVE OR NOT.

    If they do not care either way why do they push so hard for 100% vaccination?

    They do care. They care very much. But not for us.

    They care about their reputation and their place in history. They want to be known as saviour of the world regardless of how many of us die in the process.


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  30. https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights

    I believe Australia signed up to this declaration.

    Everything the UN touches turns into a joke because they are a joke. It’s a home for politicians whose countries want them out of their hair. It’s a place for pointless blather as an excuse for doing nothing.

    As for UN peacekeepers, every country that had these inflicted on them were worse off afterwards.

    If the UN concept was practical or useful the League of Nations would have sufficed.


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  31. Dot, I don’t mind having a Bill of Rights but it didn’t stop the lockdowns in the US. Nor has it stopped forced vaccines in Canada or, it seems, New Zealand.

    My understanding is that the US vaccine mandate has been stopped because it is beyond the remit of OSHA or Federal government and it was too clumsy rather than negating bodily autonomy. In fact, the 1905 Jacobsen vs Massachusetts ruling gave (state) governments the power to force vaccines – a power that our High Court had always previously ruled against.

    Remember too that Kavanaugh and Barrett are both vaccine fascists and are likely to rule in favour of Biden when this goes to the Supreme Court. Thanks Trump! It’s astonishing how he was inches away from being the best president ever but will actually be singularly responsible for the end of Western civilization.


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  32. Thanks Trump! It’s astonishing how he was inches away from being the best president ever but will actually be singularly responsible for the end of Western civilization.

    You’re nuts, to wit:

    1. Bill of rights bad.
    2. Trump ended western civilisation.



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  33. “Everything the UN touches turns into a joke because they are a joke.”

    I agree Crossie, but we should at least make them live by their own rules – I’m sure that if the UN said “everyone should be vaxxed”, they’d be on it like rat up a drain pipe with the usual “it’s an international treaty we signed, we have to obey” etc ad nauseum.
    They signed us up to it.
    They use such things to beat up on places like China.
    They either respect it or they don’t – chopping and changing to suit the prevailing narrative they support is untenable, immoral and just plain rude.

    But they ignored the biosecurity act anyway (still in play), threw out their pandemic plan previously painstakingly created, violated several human rights and the very people supposed to protect you from this sort of thing (eg HRC, Omsbudsman, Governor) just duck and weave to avoid any and all political heat from actually doing their job as legislated. That’s what happens when the public service gets politicised. The current mob of pollies won’t fix it because they broke it in the first place – quite deliberately, for their own gain.

    “I don’t mind having a Bill of Rights but it didn’t stop the lockdowns in the US.”
    When the president can declare publicly that he is going to reintroduce a regulation (eviction moratorium) that the supreme court has already said requires legislative force, and actually does just that, and the supreme court does not demand he appear before them and ask “please explain”, it’s a problem. A politicised judicial branch of government is the death of justice, and alas for the US, it appears the judicial system over there is in it’s death throws – both the DoJ and the bench have rolled over to the leftists and tossed any idea of the rule of law out the window. It may yet recover after next years mid-term elections, or it might not – we’ll see.


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  34. I’m still waiting for Dot to tell us how he proposes to get an effective Bill/Charter/Declaration of Rights into law here in Australia.

    It’s another one of those things that is nice in theory, but only holds up in practice when the majority value it and are prepared to punish transgressions.
    Victoria has one. How is that working out?
    Habeas Corpus has been law since Magna Carta, but it didn’t stop them putting most of us under house arrest without trial.

    Here’s the thing. Australia has a record of mostly rejecting proposed Constitutional amendments at Referendum. To get a BOR that has force, it has to be wildly popular, which means that the majority believe that it is necessary. They have to actually believe that their Premiers and Prime Ministers need to be retrained, and that liberty is more important than their fear of C19.
    Good luck with convincing them of that.
    Good luck with getting the support of Pallachook, Morrison, Parrothead and Dan Jong Il.
    Good luck with getting ANY of them to sign on for a BOR that does not give them loopholes for the shit that they want to do.

    That is why most effective BORs are achieved after Revolutions. The Yanks got theirs after their war of Independence. The Brits got Magna Carta through the threat of Civil War and the 1689 BOR after several more and under the threat of yet another.

    When I told you that you needed to convince the voters, you called that “piffle”. What do you have to offer in return?


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